is that an replica? couse i have bought an Luger replica and im woried that the hammer thingy on the back that "jumps" works if you pul it back and it comes right down again so that you dont need the help it go down? Plsss answer! BTW nice vid bro keep it up :D
@taofledermaus how would an unfired cartridge eject? it requires a fired cartridge to make the pressure to "blow back"... something to make you go hmmmmmmmm....
@mrbadx19 i guess it could be big enough to jack a bad bullet, in all my range time, i never had a misfire and only one stove pipe, that was on my ruger mkII. funny when the gun bites the casing and not the proverbial bullet. so it might be to scale and all proper. not having a firearm malfunction on me, never thought of having to clear the whole cartridge.
@taofledermaus You still interested in high speed videos of a luger? I'm going to film one this weekend, in 450 and 1000 fps, the quality of the video is quite bad though, like 360p or even less with the 1000 fps. I could send you the footage if you want it :)
Functions like a .45 Browning, just a tad different idea about how to lock the barrel to the slide or bolt. Does the barrel move before the bullet exists the barrel?
@taofledermaus Way should it move? The physics of the idea is, the barrel isn't supposed to move until the bullet exists the barrel. This has been an argument for decades, if the barrel moves or does not move until the bullet exits the barrel. It's action/reaction and that takes place when the bullet exits the barrel. If there is gas leakage before the bullet exits the barrel, then I can see the barrel moving. Nice to see a video putting this to rest.
While in the video it is described as "delayed blowback", this is actually not the case. (Although it is definitely an easy mistake to make.) Blowback is where the gas forces the casing out of the chamber. On recoil, the opposite reaction of the bullet exiting the muzzle forces the workings parts rearward where they can unlock in via a cam.
If you put a casing in the pistol, plugged the bore, and pressurized it- it should blow up before it unlocks.
@lamarbrog See, that's a problem. For years there is the argument that the .45 auto slide moves rearwards as the bullet travels down the barrel, which if correct would apply to the Luger as well. I don't buy into that, physics, as I understand it, won't allow the barrel to move until the bullet exits the barrel, it's action-reaction. I have never found a slow motion video that would confirm my argument.
@lamarbrog Prove it.... Only way to do that is do a slow-mo of what happens when the shell is fired and what happens to the slide/barrel until the bullet emerges from the barrel. You can do all the math in the world, that won't prove anything, need to observe real life action.
You realize that all mechanical devices are required by the laws of physics to work in certain ways, don't you?
... Maybe you need a high speed camera to understand it... for those of us with even the most basic knowledge of mechanics and physical sciences, we can know it works a certain way without ever even building the device.
To better understand this, take a class on Computer Assisted Design. We can accurately model how a device will behave before a prototype is even made.
@lamarbrog The question is,, when does the slide begin to move, before the bullet leaves the barrel or after the bullet leaves the barrel, not a lecture of physics and mechanical devices and modeling. I've seen modeling that show the slide doesn't move till the bullet leaves the barrel. Gunsmiths say that isn't true. So, which is it and why?
@RayetWolf It is not difficult at all to call yourself a gunsmith. Heck, I could call myself one- I spent a couple years in high school as a gunsmith's helper.
In the end, a gunsmith is someone who claims they can fix a gun. Having spent all of my relatively short life in the firearms industry, I can confidently say that probably only 1 in 5 gunsmiths have any real comprehension of what they work on.
Most just clean guns, screw on scope mounts, bugger screws, and replace common wear parts.
@currishev I agree, but lots of people think the barrel/side starts moving back before the bullet exits the barrel. Math is 1 thing, how it actually works is another. If gas escapes from the barrel ahead of the bullet, guess what: The slide/barrel starts moving. Nice to see a video that puts this to rest.
3rd Law by Newton is the proof here, not slow motion videos:
the same ~20000N pushes bullet forward and slide backward and these two masses of one system start move SIMULTANEOUSLY, but u can't see it. Mass of gas is negligible in this dynamic. Recoil energy for automatic operation is gained during all the bullet travel along barrel.
If u don't understand textbooks, ask reputable teacher of physics (from those who know how to apply theory to mundane phenomena)
@currishev So,, you are saying the slide moves before the bullet ejects from the barrel (Remember barrel and slide are locked together), but we can't see it. If that's true, we can see it, it's just a matter of getting a slow motion pic. The question is, when does the slide start to move,, before the bullet leaves the barrel or after the bullet leaves the barrel. No math,, just answer it.
I humbly repeat after Newton: as bullet start its 100mm (for P08) travel along the barrel, the slide starts recoil. To see it, fix P08 into heavy mount with ruler &record shot at 10,000 frame/s. U'll see as tip of bullet shows up, the muzzle has moved about 2mm.
Reloading needs the energy gained either from gas or recoil BEFORE bullet leaves the gun causing pressure drops to atmospheric &gun has no energy source.
@currishev See, the slide or barrel (depending on gun) moves before the bullet exits the barrel. There are those who argue that the slide/barrel doesn't move before bullet leaves the barrel. They even have modeling concepts showing that.
Bullet accelerates in barrel for 0.001s. In THIS 0.001s slide accelerates back to 2-3mm, &then decelerates during 0.05s on distance 1-2cm to stop &to go back. That's why u have to record at 10,000 fr/s to see full dynamics.
if barrel doesn't move before bullet leaves the muzzle, it won't move after because the gun is either gas operated or has a motor for reloading. I tired repeat: u can't avoid law of physics.
My English is too bad, or u haven't learnt natural science in school.
I should have figured you'd have a PFC gun. (Plug fire cap) I, too, have one, but it's the XM177-E2. Basically a bushmaster version of the AR-15. The one thing I never got for it, though, were the stupid caps. They are quite expensive. =_=
@ryukenosuke I've got a Marushin MP40 PFC too. Mine came with the caps though. It's PAIN to load them and to clean each round afterwards, very dirty stuff and corrosive. I have some very old videos of it, I should film it some more. I've never been able to figure out how to get this Luger to fire though.
Seeing how I never got the caps for mine, I started experimenting with different "options" that mostly never worked. However, I did use some large pistol primers, once. Most of the time, the firing pin never hit them, but when it did, it made a nice deep "FWAP" sound, and a little smoke. Who would have thought those primers had that much of a charge in them? Still didn't cycle the action, though.
Ive got to shoot one before, when I was about 9. Really couldnt fully appreciate what I was shooting then. I do remember it was akward to shoot, you loose sight picture for a split second every time from that bolt coming back. The owner also showed me a little trick the germans did. You can pull off the action and barrel and still shoot one bullet from the chamber. When the germans would "surrender" they would have that behind their heads and get one last shot off on the their captures.
@nwrepka Really, besides filming Hickok45 in slo-mo or filming one on C2builder's machine guns, the Luger is probably on the top of my list for things I hope to film.
@TheFirearmsChannel Because of the tough laws in Japan, they have pioneered making fake guns that sort of appease the appetites of people who wish they could own real firearms. Airsoft is another offshoot of that. Many people in the U.S. don't understand how there could be a market for fake guns when we can buy the real McCoy.
nice!
sscham 3 weeks ago
How much would you want for this one here? Just name a price.
TheHistorylover99 1 month ago
not delayed blowback, it's a toggle locked recoil operation
demonofrazgriz333 1 month ago
My dad left me a byf42. I haven't fired it but it still operates just like this ...
foamulator 2 months ago
its an airsoft
25ssanchez 3 months ago
Nice comment voice! are you doing more coment things like on the radio ect ect?
schuur10 3 months ago
great vid thank u man
taiko911 4 months ago
that is a good replica do they still sell them ?
75luger 7 months ago
come to Germany, we have a lot of originals here ;)
Strothy2 1 year ago
@Strothy2
We have a lot of originals here in the U.S. too for some reason! My Dad gave me his which he got in Germany in 1945.
pef286 9 months ago
Just shot an authentic, couple months ago. It fires so nice and fits the hand like a dream.
sz42781 1 year ago
is that an replica? couse i have bought an Luger replica and im woried that the hammer thingy on the back that "jumps" works if you pul it back and it comes right down again so that you dont need the help it go down? Plsss answer! BTW nice vid bro keep it up :D
SirKillerBunny 1 year ago
I would have lent you my luger P.08 but I don't have one anymore.
mikafor 1 year ago
is the ejection port bigger on the model to clear the entire round as opposed to a spent case? that seems like a whole lotta space up there.
mrbadx19 1 year ago
@mrbadx19 I never thought of that. I assumed it was to scale. But even the real one- you'd think it would allow an unfired cartridge to eject too.
taofledermaus 1 year ago
@taofledermaus how would an unfired cartridge eject? it requires a fired cartridge to make the pressure to "blow back"... something to make you go hmmmmmmmm....
mrbadx19 1 year ago
@mrbadx19 i guess it could be big enough to jack a bad bullet, in all my range time, i never had a misfire and only one stove pipe, that was on my ruger mkII. funny when the gun bites the casing and not the proverbial bullet. so it might be to scale and all proper. not having a firearm malfunction on me, never thought of having to clear the whole cartridge.
mrbadx19 1 year ago
really cool gun, kinda wierd how the blowback works
optimusjaan25 1 year ago
Heh....I've got a real one in my closet. I'm on the opposite coast from you, however.
desertfox2020 1 year ago
@desertfox2020 Dang it! I'd even buy you a box of ammo to use.
taofledermaus 1 year ago
@taofledermaus You still interested in high speed videos of a luger? I'm going to film one this weekend, in 450 and 1000 fps, the quality of the video is quite bad though, like 360p or even less with the 1000 fps. I could send you the footage if you want it :)
elon92 5 days ago
Functions like a .45 Browning, just a tad different idea about how to lock the barrel to the slide or bolt. Does the barrel move before the bullet exists the barrel?
RayetWolf 1 year ago
@RayetWolf Not sure. It probably moves slightly.
taofledermaus 1 year ago
@taofledermaus Way should it move? The physics of the idea is, the barrel isn't supposed to move until the bullet exists the barrel. This has been an argument for decades, if the barrel moves or does not move until the bullet exits the barrel. It's action/reaction and that takes place when the bullet exits the barrel. If there is gas leakage before the bullet exits the barrel, then I can see the barrel moving. Nice to see a video putting this to rest.
RayetWolf 2 months ago
@RayetWolf No, it does not.
While in the video it is described as "delayed blowback", this is actually not the case. (Although it is definitely an easy mistake to make.) Blowback is where the gas forces the casing out of the chamber. On recoil, the opposite reaction of the bullet exiting the muzzle forces the workings parts rearward where they can unlock in via a cam.
If you put a casing in the pistol, plugged the bore, and pressurized it- it should blow up before it unlocks.
lamarbrog 4 months ago
@lamarbrog See, that's a problem. For years there is the argument that the .45 auto slide moves rearwards as the bullet travels down the barrel, which if correct would apply to the Luger as well. I don't buy into that, physics, as I understand it, won't allow the barrel to move until the bullet exits the barrel, it's action-reaction. I have never found a slow motion video that would confirm my argument.
RayetWolf 4 months ago
@lamarbrog Prove it.... Only way to do that is do a slow-mo of what happens when the shell is fired and what happens to the slide/barrel until the bullet emerges from the barrel. You can do all the math in the world, that won't prove anything, need to observe real life action.
RayetWolf 2 months ago
@RayetWolf
You realize that all mechanical devices are required by the laws of physics to work in certain ways, don't you?
... Maybe you need a high speed camera to understand it... for those of us with even the most basic knowledge of mechanics and physical sciences, we can know it works a certain way without ever even building the device.
To better understand this, take a class on Computer Assisted Design. We can accurately model how a device will behave before a prototype is even made.
lamarbrog 2 months ago
@lamarbrog The question is,, when does the slide begin to move, before the bullet leaves the barrel or after the bullet leaves the barrel, not a lecture of physics and mechanical devices and modeling. I've seen modeling that show the slide doesn't move till the bullet leaves the barrel. Gunsmiths say that isn't true. So, which is it and why?
RayetWolf 2 months ago
@RayetWolf It is not difficult at all to call yourself a gunsmith. Heck, I could call myself one- I spent a couple years in high school as a gunsmith's helper.
In the end, a gunsmith is someone who claims they can fix a gun. Having spent all of my relatively short life in the firearms industry, I can confidently say that probably only 1 in 5 gunsmiths have any real comprehension of what they work on.
Most just clean guns, screw on scope mounts, bugger screws, and replace common wear parts.
lamarbrog 2 months ago
@RayetWolf
Of course, it's physical principle of operation:
as bullet exits, barrel moves back on
l = L*m / M at speed v = V*m / M,
where L - length of barrel: M - mass of moving parts: m - mass of bullet; V - muzzle velocity.
Say, m=7g, V=340m/s, M=350g, L=100mm, then l=2mm and v=6.8m/s
So kinetic energy = M*v*v / 2 = 21 J is used for cocking and reloading.
currishev 3 months ago
@currishev I agree, but lots of people think the barrel/side starts moving back before the bullet exits the barrel. Math is 1 thing, how it actually works is another. If gas escapes from the barrel ahead of the bullet, guess what: The slide/barrel starts moving. Nice to see a video that puts this to rest.
RayetWolf 2 months ago
@RayetWolf
3rd Law by Newton is the proof here, not slow motion videos:
the same ~20000N pushes bullet forward and slide backward and these two masses of one system start move SIMULTANEOUSLY, but u can't see it. Mass of gas is negligible in this dynamic. Recoil energy for automatic operation is gained during all the bullet travel along barrel.
If u don't understand textbooks, ask reputable teacher of physics (from those who know how to apply theory to mundane phenomena)
End of discussion.
currishev 2 months ago
@currishev So,, you are saying the slide moves before the bullet ejects from the barrel (Remember barrel and slide are locked together), but we can't see it. If that's true, we can see it, it's just a matter of getting a slow motion pic. The question is, when does the slide start to move,, before the bullet leaves the barrel or after the bullet leaves the barrel. No math,, just answer it.
RayetWolf 2 months ago
@RayetWolf
I humbly repeat after Newton: as bullet start its 100mm (for P08) travel along the barrel, the slide starts recoil. To see it, fix P08 into heavy mount with ruler &record shot at 10,000 frame/s. U'll see as tip of bullet shows up, the muzzle has moved about 2mm.
Reloading needs the energy gained either from gas or recoil BEFORE bullet leaves the gun causing pressure drops to atmospheric &gun has no energy source.
Only Chain &Gatling guns have motors to operate.
Stop B.S.-ing
currishev 2 months ago
@currishev See, the slide or barrel (depending on gun) moves before the bullet exits the barrel. There are those who argue that the slide/barrel doesn't move before bullet leaves the barrel. They even have modeling concepts showing that.
RayetWolf 2 months ago
@RayetWolf
Bullet accelerates in barrel for 0.001s. In THIS 0.001s slide accelerates back to 2-3mm, &then decelerates during 0.05s on distance 1-2cm to stop &to go back. That's why u have to record at 10,000 fr/s to see full dynamics.
if barrel doesn't move before bullet leaves the muzzle, it won't move after because the gun is either gas operated or has a motor for reloading. I tired repeat: u can't avoid law of physics.
My English is too bad, or u haven't learnt natural science in school.
currishev 2 months ago
@RayetWolf
Btw, this taofledermaus is wrong attributing P08 to guns with delayed blowback operation.
It's recoil-operated (see Wikipedia for details)
currishev 2 months ago
I should have figured you'd have a PFC gun. (Plug fire cap) I, too, have one, but it's the XM177-E2. Basically a bushmaster version of the AR-15. The one thing I never got for it, though, were the stupid caps. They are quite expensive. =_=
ryukenosuke 1 year ago
@ryukenosuke I've got a Marushin MP40 PFC too. Mine came with the caps though. It's PAIN to load them and to clean each round afterwards, very dirty stuff and corrosive. I have some very old videos of it, I should film it some more. I've never been able to figure out how to get this Luger to fire though.
taofledermaus 1 year ago
Seeing how I never got the caps for mine, I started experimenting with different "options" that mostly never worked. However, I did use some large pistol primers, once. Most of the time, the firing pin never hit them, but when it did, it made a nice deep "FWAP" sound, and a little smoke. Who would have thought those primers had that much of a charge in them? Still didn't cycle the action, though.
ryukenosuke 1 year ago
Finally another Luger aficionado!
percheron1654 1 year ago
:D Awesome!
HybridHumanSquid 1 year ago
Ive got to shoot one before, when I was about 9. Really couldnt fully appreciate what I was shooting then. I do remember it was akward to shoot, you loose sight picture for a split second every time from that bolt coming back. The owner also showed me a little trick the germans did. You can pull off the action and barrel and still shoot one bullet from the chamber. When the germans would "surrender" they would have that behind their heads and get one last shot off on the their captures.
Transporter1022 1 year ago
I want a Luger big time.
DrJohnBecker 1 year ago
UBER-cool! you know I never knew how exactly it did work?
TheHiddenPart 1 year ago
@TheHiddenPart I've seen a lot of very nice animations of the Luger. I've never seen anything on the delayed-blowback aspect of it.
taofledermaus 1 year ago
That is really cool. I had no idea they worked like that.
Here's hoping you find a real one to film in high-speed. That I've just got to see.
nwrepka 1 year ago
@nwrepka Really, besides filming Hickok45 in slo-mo or filming one on C2builder's machine guns, the Luger is probably on the top of my list for things I hope to film.
taofledermaus 1 year ago
@taofledermaus To bad you aren't in AZ I have a real functioning Luger you could film. (model 1938) Manufactured in 1942.
xUSAZx 1 year ago
my friend told me that these were only issued to gay men in futile Japan.
tronclay 1 year ago
one of the coolest pistols ever thanks
rammsteinlover1337 1 year ago
@rammsteinlover1337 Thanks for the kind words!
taofledermaus 1 year ago
That was a cool explanation of how it works I've wanted to know how it did work
time2blowstuffup 1 year ago
@time2blowstuffup Thanks!!
taofledermaus 1 year ago
@TheFirearmsChannel Because of the tough laws in Japan, they have pioneered making fake guns that sort of appease the appetites of people who wish they could own real firearms. Airsoft is another offshoot of that. Many people in the U.S. don't understand how there could be a market for fake guns when we can buy the real McCoy.
taofledermaus 1 year ago
More moving parts usually means more places for dirt and grime and other stuff to mess up the gun and cause a possible malfunction, wouldn't you say?
thinkbeforespeaking 1 year ago
@thinkbeforespeaking Absolutely. It has many more moving parts than say a 1911. I really find the design facinating though.
taofledermaus 1 year ago
@taofledermaus Of course, beautiful design, love the ingenuity. But the 1911 is far more practical.
thinkbeforespeaking 1 year ago