capturing the z06 doing what it was made to be doing very nice!! aside from the fact that its 100% to loud to be sold from the factory sounding like that, it should sound like that from the factory....
i would not mind hearing that screaming around at 2am in the morning... i wish my alarm clock sounded like that!!!!! id never sleep in again.
lol @ some of the comments below. It is quite funny how people have to come and have their little say as to how bad the corvette is..lol in almost every video. BTW BMW drivers are pretty arrogant pricks here in Canada too. They always tailgate, never yield to pedestrians, cutting off other motorists it is a sad situation.
Anyways thats some good driving there with the vette, good job.
I never tried to say it was a bad car, and neither do I drive a BMW. I understand that the standard C6 is a very good all rounder and so is the new ZR1, I just wasn't very impressed by some of the everyday characteristics of the Z06.
You said "in almost every video" someone is trying to put down the Corvette, I think that the sad thing is that no American, absolutely none of them will admit that any Corvette is anything less than perfect and can't take any criticism what so ever - that's sad.
What I am trying to get at is why cant people just appreciate a car instead of trying to look down on it in some way shape or form? Every car has its flaws, that includes the european ones especially.
The corvette is a icon in the states, but not in Canada, however that being said the europeans are unable to accept criticism on their cars either so i guess it is a two way street, not just applicable to Americans.
they run the cylinders wall very thin that I see a lot of cracked sleeves and messed up block spun bearings. At a certain amount of horsepower the TQ starts to drop off. 408 are better. 6.2 ls3 case is 38% stronger than outgoing block & improved Siamese cylinders
No, I don't think that is what Liemciemdk89 is saying. The LS9 has a supercharger and that can lead to a whole new set of problems, especially if the engine block is thin like it is on the LS7. The LS3 block was better to supercharge because it could cope with the increased pressure better than the LS7. I have heard several horror stories of people tuning their Z06s after a period of time.
This is not what he said though - which is why I replied. I have a 600rwhp N/A LS7 and know of many 650-700rwhp blown LS7's - it can be done. GM (the factory) though, decided to build a dedicated new blown factory motor (the LS9) for the ZR1. Nothing to do with the Z06 ;) 2 seperate engines for 2 seperate cars. The original comment made it sound like the LS9 replaces the LS7 (because of failures) in the C6 Z06, which is not the case at all.
As far as I knew the ZR1s crank case and engine block is identical to the LS3, just with certain new parts to cope with the demands of a Supercharger. I'm no GM/Corvette expert. I didn't say that it couldn't be done, I said that that over time the LS7 will suffer a lot more than engine blocks with thicker and more rigid engine walls.
If it was "identical" to the LS3, why would they call it an LS9?
The point is Liemwhatsisname originally implied that somehow some way the C6 Z now had some changed engine due to percieved issues.
In reality, the C6 Z is powered by the purpose built LS7 and the ZR1 is powered by the very the purpose built LS9. 2 different cars with 2 different powertrains and suspension setups :)
This video shows a C6 Z06, which is why the "6.2 blower" comments seemed so out of place and context ;)
Obviously the whole engine isn't identical, I never said that. What I was saying was that the LS9 was built on the same platform as the LS3 but modified.
The only impression I got from the original comment was that the 6.2 had a tougher engine block and that the LS7 can have problems. From what I have been lead to believe the LS7 can be the most temperamental out of the whole LS range over a long period of time.
What was the original comment about the LS9 6.2l motor doing on a video of an LS7 powered car anyway?
By the same argument one can say the LS7 is a better version of the LS1 - but whtas the point of such an out of context comment anyway? Unless the commenter was somehow mistaken that C6 Z06's now ship with "better" LS9's instead of the "puny" LS7 ? ;)
I wouldn't call a 7.0 litre engine puny by any stretch - although I do sometimes find it funny that the LS7 V8 produces less power for its size than a diesel powered Kia Rio - but that's irrelevant too, and I wouldn't buy a Kia anyway.
I originally came on this video to talk about my track day experience in my friend's C6 Z06 last weekend here in the UK. I wasn't blown away by the noise if I'm honest but the exhaust system on this video sounds like it has made a huge and fantastic difference.
The stock exhaust manifold and mufflers do a great job - the car in the video might have headers, and certainly sounds to have an aftermarket noisier muffler.
The irony is that the LS7 fully dressed probably weighs less than the Kia diesel powerplant any way ;)
SO - how did you like your buddies C6 Z? Is it still stock?
I had driven it on the road a while ago and it was terrible, one of the worst cars I had driven on the road - ride was diabolical, it tram lined like a bitch and it is left hand drive - which is a problem in the UK for various reasons.
However on the track last week it was absolutely fantastic. One of the best cars I have ever driven and it is brutally quick. Only thing is we where unable to drive the car home because the brakes were totally worn and the tires weren't too healthy either.
I have to wonder, have you ever driven any other high powered sports suspended car with wide front tyres before? They all tramline.
I love my LS7 powered car on the road & I have 305mm wide fronts (not tiny 275's) & 335mm wide backs, 570rwhp under foot and pretty much a race suspension.
I believe your "on road" impressons are poisened by the drievl Clarksons spews about Corvette suspensions. Although he did have to eat humble pie when he realised he could not dislike the ZR1.
Yes I have driven many performance cars. I work for BMW and get to go out in M powered cars regularly, I've driven a Ferrari 360, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, several TVRs, been out in (not driven) a Nissan GTR and a Lamborghini Murcielago - I could go on all day.
I agree with Clarkson when he says "the Z06 is as bad on the road as it is good on the track" - but I found nothing wrong with gearbox, drive line shunt and tire roar that he complained about. Although the seats weren't very supportive
What does working for BMW have to do with it? If you drive on a ridged road with a car with wider front tyres and a little negative camber, the car will tramline.. so I still don't get your point?
On the othe rhand if your buddies acr is randomly darting left and right with no negative camber and on a perfectly smooth road - HIS car has an alignment problem and is NOT refelctive of other Corvettes.
Funny how BMW employees are always so full of shit ;)
I like the way you have turned this from a conversation to an abusive rant. On the note of being "full of shit" - at which point was an ACR mentioned?
Ever heard of a BMW M3, or M5? Obviously not. As part of service they need test driving to make sure the problem is rectified. People regularly trade exotic cars in for a BMW, so before we send them off to auction we play around with them. The road I took the Z down wasn't great, but other performance cars coped fine.
When you made a point a stating "I work for BMW" up went the BS flag. If your friends car was wondering like a drunk on a smooth road then HIS cars alignment needs attention - it's not representative of ALL Corvettes. On the other hand, if your friends car has a nice track alignment & withextra negative camber dialed in (like an F360CS) then the car will be want to tramline a little - thats was an aggresive alignment does - but of course, you knew that being the Road Test Guru you are.
Give me one reason why working for BMW automatically makes me a liar?
And "Road Test Guru" - you asked me what I thought of the car so I told you. If you have a problem with my opinions on a car then get off your fat arse and go and drive the damn thing you arrogant egocentric prick.
The public roads weren't smooth, like I just said but other performance cars have coped without wrenching my thumbs off at the same time. I have a job in the motor industry, I don't need to prove anything to you.
I never said you were a liar.. just most BMW employees I meet seem a little full of themselves. Your post kinda proves it.
So - when you drove an F360 Challenge Stradale with its aggressive alignement, it tracked dead straight on the same road then?
I know, my car even with -2.5* camber, a little toe out (I believe) and just a little caster, tracks straight on a level road with no hands on the wheel.
BTW, if you are board, view some of my YouTube track videos if you like. ;)
No you said "BMW employees are always so full of shit" - therefore you're calling me a liar. I don't have much time to spend on people with an attitude like yours.
I never said I drove a 360 Challenge Stradale, or a Viper ACR, you can't spell and yet you have the audacity to insult my intelligence.
It was a bog standard 03 reg 360 Modena with a manual gearbox. I have driven smoother cars don't get me wrong, but the Z06's was in a league of its own in terms of bad road manners on British roads.
My bad.. BMW employees are full of shit and have bad attitudes.
Now you are comparing a bog standard hairdresser 360 and some typist 320 BMW to an aggresively aligned supersports car.
Thats why I asked "How many other aggressively aligned wide front tyred sports cars have you driven?" Because if you would have had more seat time in more aggresively aligned cars, you woul d not make such a sweeping comment about the C6 Z06 as you did. Unless you just wanted to sound like Jezza. ;)
Okay so you tell me not to generalise by saying not all Z06s tram line and then you say ALL BMW employees are full shit - keep contradicting yourself - it's quite amusing.
If I'm honest I don't give a shit about what Clarkson says on the Z06 - I have my own opinion so I don't need his. You're obviously one of these typical American Corvette fan boys that assume because a car is quicker around a one off race track several thousand miles away - it makes the car perfect.
No, I am one of those "typical car enthusiasts" that has driven many cars and realized a long time ago that opinsions are like.. well you know the rest.
BTW, it was after I spent a few weeks with a Caterham Superlight on a race track that I realised I loved the knife-edge handling, but hated the lack of power - so I decided to create my own C5R.. ;)
I am sure if you didnt work for BMW we could be great friends...
Funny you should mention a Caterham Superlight, as I think the only car that I have driven and had more fun in on a track was a Caterham R300. Fantastic cars.
I respect people who create something that they want, like you have with your Corvette. I've never had the money to put towards tuning a car or anything for myself.
And I don't see why I should be judged on how I make a living. After all, I'm a parts adviser/mechanic not a rent boy or have some other hateful occupation.
I often read how "regular" drivers in UK seem to have it in for BMW drivers and service personnel, hehe - as I say, just winding you up.
The one downside to the Caterham SLR, it was very tiring to drive - demanded 110% attention 200% of the time... but the rewards in feedback are worth it.
The engine is impressive though, we drove down to the track on the motor way at 90mph and got 23mpg, but on the track the on board computer was telling me between 4 and 7 mpg - which doesn't bother me really.
Apart from different tires the car is fully stock yes. My friend is an American so he loves the Z06 regardless of how nasty it is on public roads here. The noise it makes isn't bad at all, I suppose I have been spoilt by listening to the ZR1 - the Z06 sounded a bit hollow compared to it.
Hey, you know what I find kinda funny? Listening to countless numbers of people like you state that the LS7 "doesn't make a lot of power for its size". UNDERSTAND: ALL engines make progressively less HP/L as displacement increases. Try to understand this before making ridiculous comparisons between a 7L V8 and an economy 4 banger. Hell my old 3.5cc R/C motor made 3 HP, that's over 850 HP/L, guess that makes it the best designed engine in the world huh? That's more HP/L than an F1 engine! Wow!
I'll make it simple for you. The point (illustrated by the last sentence of my last post), is that anyone who tries to downplay the output of the LS7, by referencing the HP/L figures of smaller motors, is hopelessly ignorant on the mechanical workings of an automobile.
Simply saying that "engines make progressively less HP/L as displacement increases" is ignorant and simply untrue. Let me run a few past engines past you to talk your way out of (All NA) -
Ferrari 430 Scuderia - 4.3l - 510bhp
Lamborghini LP560-4 - 5.2l - 552bhp
Ascari A10 - 5.0 - 625bhp
BMW M5 - 5.0l - 507bhp
I know how engines work, I wouldn't have my job if I didn't. Neither was I trying to shame the LS7 V8 - I was just making a point of how grim it can look on paper to the untrained eye.
OK, how about the 0.6L motor in the Honda F4 motorcycle putting out 110 HP? Oops! ...that little motor gets 183 HP/L. Guess that makes it a better motor than the 430 Scud motor, it only gets 118 HP/L. LOL! LIke I said, smaller motor = more HP/L. Anyone with even a *basic* knowledge of the IC knows this...and you say your work for BMW? Look, first you need to go back and learn the fundamentals, and then you can share your opinion with others.
If you want to compare engines of a similar size then fine. LS1 5.7l V8 produces 350bhp, whereas the Porsche Carrera GT 5.7l V10 produces 612bhp. If you know anything about the internal combustion engine you will know that there is so much more to an engine's power than its displacement - but clearly your knowledge only goes as far as displacement so by your logic my comparison is valid.
Exactly, there is so much you have to consider. I initially only made the point as a passing comment and it has been blown up into this, it is daft but that's how some people want to be.
And fuel economy is all well and good, but the Corvette achieves great numbers on a cruise. When I took a Z06 to a track a couple of weeks ago the on-board computers best mpg figure was about 6 or 7. And lets be honest, if you can afford an expensive car you can afford to put petrol in it.
StuRaz, there is one thing i noticed about all the cars you mentioned. they all have to be revved out to 8k+ rpm to make there power. that's because of the smaller size of the engine means it's going to produce less torque (that only really applies for N/A gas engines though). yes, you can make up for a lack of torque with gearing (like Ferrari does) but then you loose a real useable powerband. now if i wanted to jump into the HP/L stuff, the engines i work on would loose. (continued)
mainly because of the fact that the engines i work on are quite large (the smallest is 7.0L), and they don't make a lot of HP. but the engines i work on make more torque than most Ferrari's could even dream about. yes, i work on diesels. some of the bigger ones making over 500bhp and 1800btq. personally, i'd rather have an engine designed for torque than rpms. but that's just me (even though i'd LOVE to have a Lambo or Ferrari, i couldn't afford one though :P)
Yeah you're right, I know what you mean. Like I said in earlier comments I only made that point as a passing comment, didn't intend for it to turn into anything like this. You can take diesel engines in lorries to prove your point. I have a lot or respect for the LS engine blocks, I was just making a point that their low bhp / L could be considered as its achillies heel.
great video! nice to see corvette on wet track not losing any bit of performance cheers to driver. LS7 has been downgraded do to problems but still a hell of a chassis. 6.2 boosted or destroked for turbo will be a monster.
It's a shame Chevy don't make it sound this incredible from the factory. I think the ZO6 makes one of the dullest factory V8 soundtracks on sale.
StuRaz 1 year ago
love the sound :)
monsterhonda13 1 year ago
Kolik to žere? :)
RedSunCZE 1 year ago
What a sound!
bibi1918 2 years ago
Thank you GM for finally building a damn good car.........one of the best Corvettes ever made (except the ZR1).
755hp 2 years ago
capturing the z06 doing what it was made to be doing very nice!! aside from the fact that its 100% to loud to be sold from the factory sounding like that, it should sound like that from the factory....
i would not mind hearing that screaming around at 2am in the morning... i wish my alarm clock sounded like that!!!!! id never sleep in again.
laptoph4x 2 years ago 6
Dude drivn the shit out that mothafukka!! That VETTE is a beast!
nnor000 2 years ago 2
My former Z06, Corsa, Prolong tube headers, no cats...
radekgcz 2 years ago
What do you drive now?
JKFrazier 2 years ago
Do you know how many hp you gained with those components? I'm considering doing the same to mine.
tripleheshy 2 years ago
What exhaust is this?
jorrie2 2 years ago
Hi, awesome video, I am just buying a zo6 and wanted to know how you get the car to sound like that? Which exhaust does it have? Cheers
alithump 2 years ago
monsta vette
schweizerfa18hornet 2 years ago
i bet its corsa with long tubes and no cats... cuz of the raspyness.
poserstookmyalias 2 years ago
Theres classical music, then theres this.
MeLikeGoFast 2 years ago
car is spinning tires like crazy
xp3rth4x0r 2 years ago
Yeah, water does that.
MeLikeGoFast 2 years ago
epic! I love the Z06
GERMANEXOTICS 2 years ago
it is a 2009 ZO6 corvette? it's original?
ajxnvo 2 years ago
lol....barely hanging on to the road.......i just love it
xxxscimitarxxx 2 years ago
Wow! great sound! What type of exhaust is this? :)
jorrie2 2 years ago
Anybody know where that event took place?
therealcapecodbob 2 years ago
It took place in Beroun, Czech Republic, King of the Hills race
maxav71 2 years ago
Dude excellent driving + wet roads. I have LS3 but yours Z06 rocks!!
dachy23 3 years ago
Are these on stock tires? I've NEVER heard them squeal before, how'd you manage that?
atlram1 3 years ago
lol @ some of the comments below. It is quite funny how people have to come and have their little say as to how bad the corvette is..lol in almost every video. BTW BMW drivers are pretty arrogant pricks here in Canada too. They always tailgate, never yield to pedestrians, cutting off other motorists it is a sad situation.
Anyways thats some good driving there with the vette, good job.
osirisvb 3 years ago
I never tried to say it was a bad car, and neither do I drive a BMW. I understand that the standard C6 is a very good all rounder and so is the new ZR1, I just wasn't very impressed by some of the everyday characteristics of the Z06.
You said "in almost every video" someone is trying to put down the Corvette, I think that the sad thing is that no American, absolutely none of them will admit that any Corvette is anything less than perfect and can't take any criticism what so ever - that's sad.
StuRaz 3 years ago
What I am trying to get at is why cant people just appreciate a car instead of trying to look down on it in some way shape or form? Every car has its flaws, that includes the european ones especially.
The corvette is a icon in the states, but not in Canada, however that being said the europeans are unable to accept criticism on their cars either so i guess it is a two way street, not just applicable to Americans.
osirisvb 3 years ago
1:45 high rev throttle release.
Intoxifying.
MeLikeGoFast 3 years ago
6.2 is the ZR 1 engine
luweegy3 3 years ago
they run the cylinders wall very thin that I see a lot of cracked sleeves and messed up block spun bearings. At a certain amount of horsepower the TQ starts to drop off. 408 are better. 6.2 ls3 case is 38% stronger than outgoing block & improved Siamese cylinders
Liemciemdk89 3 years ago
So according to you, the LS7 has been replaced with the LS9 because the LS7 is unreliable?
I believe you are either illinformed, confused or full of BS ;)
RCFourFive 3 years ago
No, I don't think that is what Liemciemdk89 is saying. The LS9 has a supercharger and that can lead to a whole new set of problems, especially if the engine block is thin like it is on the LS7. The LS3 block was better to supercharge because it could cope with the increased pressure better than the LS7. I have heard several horror stories of people tuning their Z06s after a period of time.
StuRaz 3 years ago
This is not what he said though - which is why I replied. I have a 600rwhp N/A LS7 and know of many 650-700rwhp blown LS7's - it can be done. GM (the factory) though, decided to build a dedicated new blown factory motor (the LS9) for the ZR1. Nothing to do with the Z06 ;) 2 seperate engines for 2 seperate cars. The original comment made it sound like the LS9 replaces the LS7 (because of failures) in the C6 Z06, which is not the case at all.
RCFourFive 3 years ago
As far as I knew the ZR1s crank case and engine block is identical to the LS3, just with certain new parts to cope with the demands of a Supercharger. I'm no GM/Corvette expert. I didn't say that it couldn't be done, I said that that over time the LS7 will suffer a lot more than engine blocks with thicker and more rigid engine walls.
StuRaz 3 years ago
If it was "identical" to the LS3, why would they call it an LS9?
The point is Liemwhatsisname originally implied that somehow some way the C6 Z now had some changed engine due to percieved issues.
In reality, the C6 Z is powered by the purpose built LS7 and the ZR1 is powered by the very the purpose built LS9. 2 different cars with 2 different powertrains and suspension setups :)
This video shows a C6 Z06, which is why the "6.2 blower" comments seemed so out of place and context ;)
RCFourFive 3 years ago
Obviously the whole engine isn't identical, I never said that. What I was saying was that the LS9 was built on the same platform as the LS3 but modified.
The only impression I got from the original comment was that the 6.2 had a tougher engine block and that the LS7 can have problems. From what I have been lead to believe the LS7 can be the most temperamental out of the whole LS range over a long period of time.
StuRaz 3 years ago
What was the original comment about the LS9 6.2l motor doing on a video of an LS7 powered car anyway?
By the same argument one can say the LS7 is a better version of the LS1 - but whtas the point of such an out of context comment anyway? Unless the commenter was somehow mistaken that C6 Z06's now ship with "better" LS9's instead of the "puny" LS7 ? ;)
RCFourFive 3 years ago
I wouldn't call a 7.0 litre engine puny by any stretch - although I do sometimes find it funny that the LS7 V8 produces less power for its size than a diesel powered Kia Rio - but that's irrelevant too, and I wouldn't buy a Kia anyway.
I originally came on this video to talk about my track day experience in my friend's C6 Z06 last weekend here in the UK. I wasn't blown away by the noise if I'm honest but the exhaust system on this video sounds like it has made a huge and fantastic difference.
StuRaz 3 years ago
The stock exhaust manifold and mufflers do a great job - the car in the video might have headers, and certainly sounds to have an aftermarket noisier muffler.
The irony is that the LS7 fully dressed probably weighs less than the Kia diesel powerplant any way ;)
SO - how did you like your buddies C6 Z? Is it still stock?
RCFourFive 3 years ago
I had driven it on the road a while ago and it was terrible, one of the worst cars I had driven on the road - ride was diabolical, it tram lined like a bitch and it is left hand drive - which is a problem in the UK for various reasons.
However on the track last week it was absolutely fantastic. One of the best cars I have ever driven and it is brutally quick. Only thing is we where unable to drive the car home because the brakes were totally worn and the tires weren't too healthy either.
StuRaz 3 years ago
I have to wonder, have you ever driven any other high powered sports suspended car with wide front tyres before? They all tramline.
I love my LS7 powered car on the road & I have 305mm wide fronts (not tiny 275's) & 335mm wide backs, 570rwhp under foot and pretty much a race suspension.
I believe your "on road" impressons are poisened by the drievl Clarksons spews about Corvette suspensions. Although he did have to eat humble pie when he realised he could not dislike the ZR1.
RCFourFive 3 years ago
Yes I have driven many performance cars. I work for BMW and get to go out in M powered cars regularly, I've driven a Ferrari 360, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, several TVRs, been out in (not driven) a Nissan GTR and a Lamborghini Murcielago - I could go on all day.
I agree with Clarkson when he says "the Z06 is as bad on the road as it is good on the track" - but I found nothing wrong with gearbox, drive line shunt and tire roar that he complained about. Although the seats weren't very supportive
StuRaz 3 years ago
What does working for BMW have to do with it? If you drive on a ridged road with a car with wider front tyres and a little negative camber, the car will tramline.. so I still don't get your point?
On the othe rhand if your buddies acr is randomly darting left and right with no negative camber and on a perfectly smooth road - HIS car has an alignment problem and is NOT refelctive of other Corvettes.
Funny how BMW employees are always so full of shit ;)
RCFourFive 3 years ago
I like the way you have turned this from a conversation to an abusive rant. On the note of being "full of shit" - at which point was an ACR mentioned?
Ever heard of a BMW M3, or M5? Obviously not. As part of service they need test driving to make sure the problem is rectified. People regularly trade exotic cars in for a BMW, so before we send them off to auction we play around with them. The road I took the Z down wasn't great, but other performance cars coped fine.
Any other abusive remarks?
StuRaz 3 years ago
When you made a point a stating "I work for BMW" up went the BS flag. If your friends car was wondering like a drunk on a smooth road then HIS cars alignment needs attention - it's not representative of ALL Corvettes. On the other hand, if your friends car has a nice track alignment & withextra negative camber dialed in (like an F360CS) then the car will be want to tramline a little - thats was an aggresive alignment does - but of course, you knew that being the Road Test Guru you are.
RCFourFive 3 years ago
Give me one reason why working for BMW automatically makes me a liar?
And "Road Test Guru" - you asked me what I thought of the car so I told you. If you have a problem with my opinions on a car then get off your fat arse and go and drive the damn thing you arrogant egocentric prick.
The public roads weren't smooth, like I just said but other performance cars have coped without wrenching my thumbs off at the same time. I have a job in the motor industry, I don't need to prove anything to you.
StuRaz 3 years ago
I never said you were a liar.. just most BMW employees I meet seem a little full of themselves. Your post kinda proves it.
So - when you drove an F360 Challenge Stradale with its aggressive alignement, it tracked dead straight on the same road then?
I know, my car even with -2.5* camber, a little toe out (I believe) and just a little caster, tracks straight on a level road with no hands on the wheel.
BTW, if you are board, view some of my YouTube track videos if you like. ;)
RCFourFive 3 years ago
No you said "BMW employees are always so full of shit" - therefore you're calling me a liar. I don't have much time to spend on people with an attitude like yours.
I never said I drove a 360 Challenge Stradale, or a Viper ACR, you can't spell and yet you have the audacity to insult my intelligence.
It was a bog standard 03 reg 360 Modena with a manual gearbox. I have driven smoother cars don't get me wrong, but the Z06's was in a league of its own in terms of bad road manners on British roads.
StuRaz 3 years ago
My bad.. BMW employees are full of shit and have bad attitudes.
Now you are comparing a bog standard hairdresser 360 and some typist 320 BMW to an aggresively aligned supersports car.
Thats why I asked "How many other aggressively aligned wide front tyred sports cars have you driven?" Because if you would have had more seat time in more aggresively aligned cars, you woul d not make such a sweeping comment about the C6 Z06 as you did. Unless you just wanted to sound like Jezza. ;)
RCFourFive 3 years ago
Okay so you tell me not to generalise by saying not all Z06s tram line and then you say ALL BMW employees are full shit - keep contradicting yourself - it's quite amusing.
If I'm honest I don't give a shit about what Clarkson says on the Z06 - I have my own opinion so I don't need his. You're obviously one of these typical American Corvette fan boys that assume because a car is quicker around a one off race track several thousand miles away - it makes the car perfect.
StuRaz 3 years ago
No, I am one of those "typical car enthusiasts" that has driven many cars and realized a long time ago that opinsions are like.. well you know the rest.
BTW, it was after I spent a few weeks with a Caterham Superlight on a race track that I realised I loved the knife-edge handling, but hated the lack of power - so I decided to create my own C5R.. ;)
I am sure if you didnt work for BMW we could be great friends...
RCFourFive 3 years ago
Funny you should mention a Caterham Superlight, as I think the only car that I have driven and had more fun in on a track was a Caterham R300. Fantastic cars.
I respect people who create something that they want, like you have with your Corvette. I've never had the money to put towards tuning a car or anything for myself.
And I don't see why I should be judged on how I make a living. After all, I'm a parts adviser/mechanic not a rent boy or have some other hateful occupation.
StuRaz 3 years ago
I am just winding you up ;)
I often read how "regular" drivers in UK seem to have it in for BMW drivers and service personnel, hehe - as I say, just winding you up.
The one downside to the Caterham SLR, it was very tiring to drive - demanded 110% attention 200% of the time... but the rewards in feedback are worth it.
RCFourFive 3 years ago
The engine is impressive though, we drove down to the track on the motor way at 90mph and got 23mpg, but on the track the on board computer was telling me between 4 and 7 mpg - which doesn't bother me really.
Apart from different tires the car is fully stock yes. My friend is an American so he loves the Z06 regardless of how nasty it is on public roads here. The noise it makes isn't bad at all, I suppose I have been spoilt by listening to the ZR1 - the Z06 sounded a bit hollow compared to it.
StuRaz 3 years ago
Hey, you know what I find kinda funny? Listening to countless numbers of people like you state that the LS7 "doesn't make a lot of power for its size". UNDERSTAND: ALL engines make progressively less HP/L as displacement increases. Try to understand this before making ridiculous comparisons between a 7L V8 and an economy 4 banger. Hell my old 3.5cc R/C motor made 3 HP, that's over 850 HP/L, guess that makes it the best designed engine in the world huh? That's more HP/L than an F1 engine! Wow!
captain454 3 years ago
Then what is your point? You have gone and thrown your whole argument away with your final sentence.
StuRaz 3 years ago
I'll make it simple for you. The point (illustrated by the last sentence of my last post), is that anyone who tries to downplay the output of the LS7, by referencing the HP/L figures of smaller motors, is hopelessly ignorant on the mechanical workings of an automobile.
captain454 3 years ago
Simply saying that "engines make progressively less HP/L as displacement increases" is ignorant and simply untrue. Let me run a few past engines past you to talk your way out of (All NA) -
Ferrari 430 Scuderia - 4.3l - 510bhp
Lamborghini LP560-4 - 5.2l - 552bhp
Ascari A10 - 5.0 - 625bhp
BMW M5 - 5.0l - 507bhp
I know how engines work, I wouldn't have my job if I didn't. Neither was I trying to shame the LS7 V8 - I was just making a point of how grim it can look on paper to the untrained eye.
StuRaz 3 years ago
OK, how about the 0.6L motor in the Honda F4 motorcycle putting out 110 HP? Oops! ...that little motor gets 183 HP/L. Guess that makes it a better motor than the 430 Scud motor, it only gets 118 HP/L. LOL! LIke I said, smaller motor = more HP/L. Anyone with even a *basic* knowledge of the IC knows this...and you say your work for BMW? Look, first you need to go back and learn the fundamentals, and then you can share your opinion with others.
captain454 3 years ago
If you want to compare engines of a similar size then fine. LS1 5.7l V8 produces 350bhp, whereas the Porsche Carrera GT 5.7l V10 produces 612bhp. If you know anything about the internal combustion engine you will know that there is so much more to an engine's power than its displacement - but clearly your knowledge only goes as far as displacement so by your logic my comparison is valid.
StuRaz 3 years ago
Nope, it's true. But you have to use the SAME technology. You cant compare OHV to DOHC and another with VANOS.
I dont see what the big deal with HP/L is anyway. You dont drive with HP/L, you drive HP and TQ.
Also what about fuel economy? Compare the LP560 with the C6Z06. Wow why didnt anyone think of that one. Not to mention price.
atlram1 3 years ago
Exactly, there is so much you have to consider. I initially only made the point as a passing comment and it has been blown up into this, it is daft but that's how some people want to be.
And fuel economy is all well and good, but the Corvette achieves great numbers on a cruise. When I took a Z06 to a track a couple of weeks ago the on-board computers best mpg figure was about 6 or 7. And lets be honest, if you can afford an expensive car you can afford to put petrol in it.
StuRaz 3 years ago
StuRaz, there is one thing i noticed about all the cars you mentioned. they all have to be revved out to 8k+ rpm to make there power. that's because of the smaller size of the engine means it's going to produce less torque (that only really applies for N/A gas engines though). yes, you can make up for a lack of torque with gearing (like Ferrari does) but then you loose a real useable powerband. now if i wanted to jump into the HP/L stuff, the engines i work on would loose. (continued)
350RSCamaro 3 years ago
mainly because of the fact that the engines i work on are quite large (the smallest is 7.0L), and they don't make a lot of HP. but the engines i work on make more torque than most Ferrari's could even dream about. yes, i work on diesels. some of the bigger ones making over 500bhp and 1800btq. personally, i'd rather have an engine designed for torque than rpms. but that's just me (even though i'd LOVE to have a Lambo or Ferrari, i couldn't afford one though :P)
350RSCamaro 3 years ago
Yeah you're right, I know what you mean. Like I said in earlier comments I only made that point as a passing comment, didn't intend for it to turn into anything like this. You can take diesel engines in lorries to prove your point. I have a lot or respect for the LS engine blocks, I was just making a point that their low bhp / L could be considered as its achillies heel.
StuRaz 3 years ago
ya, they aren't the most complicated engines around, but you've gotta admit that for running "old" technology, they really stand up quite well
350RSCamaro 3 years ago
Nice one!
DemoVerze 3 years ago
Easily one of the best sounding V8s out there...
MeLikeGoFast 3 years ago
Great vid. No stupid music just pure engine noise. 5 stars
toonsampfan 3 years ago 18
@toonsampfan yea i hate the gay ass music the put in
MASTERMARK360 1 year ago
great video! nice to see corvette on wet track not losing any bit of performance cheers to driver. LS7 has been downgraded do to problems but still a hell of a chassis. 6.2 boosted or destroked for turbo will be a monster.
Liemciemdk89 3 years ago
Please explain the "problems" experienced by the LS7 that resulted in it being downgraded?
RCFourFive 3 years ago