Air Crash Investigation/Mayday Season 11 Episode 02 - The Plane that Flew Too High - Pt 4/4

[jmnoah1]

The co-pilot should have taken over to save lives, since the pilot was overwhelmed, or scared to make a split second decision

[yyoU8s]

Why the auto throttle wasn't on, too?

[akdomun]

@yyoU8s Was probably on...but the engines were running at max power and the anti-icing was taking some of that power, so there wasn't enough power to maintain the airspeed.

[soco13466]

You don't pay me, I don't work, especially six months!

[sleepydogg100]

Im guessing two things....the first officer knows more than the Capt.....How many flights had crashed because the Capt decided to pull up instead of push forward. Also, the next time I fly, I will ask the crew if they know stall procedures.

[poodtang1]

When your stressed to the max sometimes you don't cope well with split second decisions.

[jmitterii2]

You mistake a stall for an engine flame out...how? That's insane.

[Silavite]

The 33,000th view, is that not ironic?

[khalilovH]

HAHAHAHA IDIOTS .. I GOT HER REAL NAME AND ADDED HER ON FACEBOOK :D :D 

[Weluzani]

Col Ramos is HOT!!!

[chiquidean]

I live and work in Colombia, and I must say I am not surprised by these gross violations of safety - that's part of Colombian culture.....furthermore they prefer to sweep their problems under a magical carpet and wish them away. The poor people on that flight. Many Colombians put themselves in harms way every day - this I see every day in Bogota. In my opinion they are not taught to think ahead and be proactive. Rather they are reactive. Hence why the airline was managed this way. Sad.

[asbani911]

the girl that acts the investigator , she's so pretty, i'd marry her

[khalilovH]

@asbani911

SHE'S MINE ASSHOLE

[OriginalAtomicSheep]

Disgrace... "under certain conditions speed could drop off"... derp derp... good enough... lets sell these planes... total disgrace. How hard is it to introduce a warning that airplane can't maintain speed despite the autopilot being on? Sure pilot error but other issues as well.

[abelucious]

i watched one of these investigations where the investigators switched the black boxes from a crash to blame the pilots instead of a plane malfunction. the pilot had survived and his lawyers said they had picture proof of the boxes being switched thats when the american government threatend the pilot and his lawyer because they were gonna bring the air industry down in a scandle

[chiquidean]

@abelucious

Show me this case or tell me where to find it. By the way, black boxes have a registry number for the plane they are installed in. Pretty much impossible to do what you claim to be true. Also, the NTSB isn't the CIA!!!

[molarityboi]

@abelucious CAN YOU LINK THAT EPISODE? the switching of black boxes... coz acccdng to my instructor, black boxes are intensively checked before installation...

[xsirenonthe101x]

@molarityboi watch?v=ZqupXWxyAeg

[xsirenonthe101x]

@abelucious watch?v=ZqupXWxyAeg

[mvanherd]

So this can happen to a Boeing too. Almost the same time of decent as AF 447,3 minutes.

[john2k24]

I will never fly on an airline one of these cheap overseas airlines, this is not to say I won't fly foreign airlines but they better be reputable ones in One World, Star Alliance, etc.

[IamtheBurceDickenson]

I'd go ahead and become a FULL TIME bartender for a while if I was working for an airline that was so sorry flights were held up because they couldn't pay for fuel.

[jfsa380]

First, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth thing we are told when flight instruction starts is Aviate, Navigate, Communicate, this crew did Communicate, Aviate poorly, Communicate again, Navigate, Communicate a third time, and did not fly the bloody airplane.

[ruudenanja]

nun of the pilots where talking to each other on that crusial moment. That could have made a diverance in acting the wright way if they had.......

[dunnudoit]

I disagree with the current policy of pushing the stick down during flights. You should pull it back so that you can gain altitude. And im a professional pilot so i should know this.

[sqy391]

@dunnudoit push forward first to decrease aoa and regain speed, then pull it back so that you can gain attitude?

[03chrisv]

If the stick is shaking point the nose down!!!

[greendayforever2k9]

It seems every other crash on this program is caused by pilots fucking up a stall recovery

[melvingjh]

It seems like most Co-pilot knows their stuff better and the captain is always being ignorant...

[sqy391]

I think no matter under what pressure or condition, a pilot of a commercial aircraft (not single engine prop or fighter) must subconsciously push forward the control column as soon as the stall warning sounds. Otherwise, I will replace him as a pilot.

[dunnudoit]

@sqy391 Im a professional pilot and shows like these remind me of some of my misconceptions. i always thought I should pull the stick back during stall, but due to shows like these i now know I should push it forward

[Gayestskijumpever]

@dunnudoit You liar, you complete liar

[xsirenonthe101x]

@dunnudoit pushing nose down during a stall is proper procedure and is basic flight training. So clearly, you are not.

[wasistdaswasdasist]

What I am surprised of is, that always, when the training of the pilots is mentioned, it seems, that everybody only thinks of spending hours in a simulator.

But it would be a good start, to hand information of the manufacturer of the plane to the pilots.

The way, how to handle the autopilot correctly, also needs not to be expensive.

It seems to me, that sometimes it is not only the lack of money, but the lack of responsibility. The non-awareness of how many peoples' lives depend on these things.

[AntheaFlattus]

I have no idea how to fly a plane. But I would have imagined that when a plane goes into a stall it is total instinct to point the nose down immediately, just as it is to slam on the brakes in a car if a pedestrian walks out in front of you. This is apparently not so. Therefore it must be a very vital weak point in the training as so many pilots shown in these programmes seem to go all helpless and confused and then mishandle the stall completely. Very worrying!

[wasistdaswasdasist]

@AntheaFlattus Hi,

no, the instinct tells You, to pull back the and lift the nose, because it gives You the feeling of "Going up". And "up" is, where safety is. The higher You are, the better.

When the plane loses lift, it is against the instinct, to even point the nose DOWN.

It is against instinct, but it is the right thing to do.

And I guess, the more stress is going on, the more the instinct takes control of You.

To do the right things is always easy without stress and with enough time...

[AntheaFlattus]

I suppose it is more like if your car goes into a skid on ice and the instinct is to try to correct it rather than turn into it. That happened to me once and even though I knew what I was supposed to do...my feet and hands totally did the wrong thing and my brain apparently had no control at all...So in a plane your head may have the knowledge, point the nose down, but as you say, it is just immediate instinct to keep your plane pointing up. A real emergency is nothing like a pretend one.

[Treblaine]

Shit, you don't pay your pilots and are surprised that they are substandard?

[1995a1995z]

WTF, if I was the 1st officer while that plane was stalling... I would have slapped that captain on the head and shouted "WTF ARE YOU DOING ITS A STALL PUSH FORWARD, FORWARD, FORWARD!" No matter how old that idiot is. Its basic physics to know what to do when stalling, even my little 7 year old brother would know what to do.

[Tabby266]

@1995a1995z You have to be careful with these big jets. Too fast, and the damn thing rips itself apart.

[1995a1995z]

@Tabby266 yeah but it was in a stall meaning that it had no velocity, so throttle up to max and nose down to gain some velocity so you have control of the plane again.

[Tabby266]

@1995a1995z true, even a slight nose-down would have saved the jet. I understand he was panicking, but the first officer should have thrown caution to the wind and backhanded that man.

[ioannis21shum]

Thanks for uploading man!

[jjzhou01]

I hope the carrier got sued.

[ChorltonBrook]

I hope pilots watch these on days off.

[XxXPenrdXxX]

Wat i learned from these ACI shows is just how to prevent a stall

[flymerlion]

I fly for a virtual airline (flight simulator) and a couple of days ago, I miscalculated fuel required before take off... While cruising, the plane lost all fuel and the AP kept it pitched up to maintain altitude. It stalled and I pushed down, gained some speed and maintained a decent descent rate until I landed in a small air force base. And then I watched this video and I was like, WTF! But then I also realized that as I was in a simulator, I'm not in much stress. They ARE!

[alje100]

Didn't the plane have stick pusher?

The pilots acted really badly.

I'm also not a pilot, and I know that if you stall, you need to push the throttles forward and push the stick forward.

[fluffycheep]

I dont understand it either. This happened with AF 447 and crash outside Buffalo. Push the nose into the dive to increase speed

[tocsa120ls]

wow, so many couch pilots here... hindsight is always 20/20, fellow commenters

[gflyer95]

i really think that the f/o was a better pilot than the capt.

[samutd07]

when u r flying a carrier that does not pay its pilots for 6 months, or has trouble paying for air fuel, u can't expect pilot training or safe flight.

[taags]

I hope the pilots burn in hell, murderers.

[textthing]

Always blame the pilots. As we know, airlines are holy, innocent entities.

[wolf1010]

This is bullshit. These "pilots" straight up killed these people. Given all the factors that took place, any other pilot would have been able to continue the flight as routine. What pilot in the right mind pulls back on the stick during a stall. A 31,000ft STALL!!@#!? That's enough time to correct the situation 7 times in a row. But no, these individuals who shouldn't be in charge of there own life, let alone hundreds a day, did absolutely no troubleshooting, and simply panicked. I'm pissed.

[Spacek531]

@wolf1010 Stop hating. While the person had a wide chance of fixing the problem, what is done is done, and it does not help anyone that these harsh words are being thrown around.

[wolf1010]

@Spacek531 When has a youtube comment ever been posted to help anyone. It's opinions, also know as a "comment". What's done is done is a ignorant, narrow minded statement. It avoids blame, lacks a potential solution, and fixes nothing. But yes, I agree. Can you at least agree that it's ridiculous a pilot is aloud to be in charge of so many lives with so poor training? Bet you would feel my emotion if you had a family member aboard.

[7byseven]

Stick with the big airlines i reckon, if you value your life.

[Furiouswindbottom]

Six months no pay?

At what point do you find another employer?

[Furiouswindbottom]

I'm surprised these pilots got this plane off the ground in the first place.

[satyamfifa]

WTF captain working in bar.

[magellanmax]

Who works for six months without pay? No pay, no play!

[TonyFirelli]

@magellanmax I would, flying is not work, it's fun and something different.

[magellanmax]

@TonyFirelli I did the charity thing back in the late 90's hoping I would credit for it later on only to get burned. I flew for some charity orgs back then and only got letters of recommendation that didn't do squat! If I didn't have bills at the time, I would have walked away smiling. Nature of the beast I guess.

[jithization]

Rest In Peace those who died

[Naylte]

The airline didn't provide proper training, regularly overloaded their planes and didn't pay their staff due to financial problems? Then stuff finances!!!

[hdyudu]

the financial problems tells that the the airline was on the verge of going bankrup and shuting down in the first place

[pacregin]

wow the female acting as the lead investigator is so hot!! I wanna lick her all over.

[nocomplyimpossible]

another stall episode? Jesus, if im on a plane that stalls, im bustin into the cockpit ,pointing the stick down and pushing full throttle on the engines until theres enough lift to pull her back up-then im gonna drink all the duty free on board.

[MrsNorris55]

@nocomplyimpossible ROFL If I'm on the same plane, I'll help you break down the door!!

[9hrach9]

@nocomplyimpossible I KNOW... That's what i'd do.... Im not a pilot but i already know during the stall point the nose down and push the throttles!!!

[MrBnowak]

@nocomplyimpossible since 9/11 you can't storm the cockpit so you would have to approach the cockpit door, ask the stewardess to enter the delay entry code, pilot would have to approve your entry. Only then you could point the stick down, IF only IF there is no French Stewardess doing a Striptease in the cockpit ( google it ) and would make you distracted as well :)

[yonimiller]

@nocomplyimpossible Epic comment (-:

[steamgeezer]

@nocomplyimpossible Perhaps the pilots hit the duty free first.

[sailorgenisage]

1. Pilots are highly recommended to get ALOT of trainign AND experience BEFORE flying a plane.

2. The company is giving out the Payments to the Pilots more faster and sooner.

3. The planes should be double inspected inside and outside for faulty manufacturer's parts.

4. The Anit-icing feature is there for a reason.

5. Use the Auto-pilot feature wisely and ALWAYS keep an eye on the buttons and display unit.

[whoohaaXL]

The fucking buffeting and stick shaker (which is a manual mechanical warning and is always right) doesn't give them a clue as to what the problem is?! As long as we have remedial pilots like this, who don't know cockpit communication techniques and can't recover from a basic aerodynamic stall flying our commercial aircraft, I will never get in the sky. "Oh, the plane is stalling because of a nose-high attitude, let me just make the problem worse." Nose down/power should be a kneejerk reaction

[whoohaaXL]

No, fuck the pilot. I'm so tired of seeing all these ACI episodes where the pilots react to a stall in the most idiotic way., especially Birgenair 601. The pilot just sat there and said "What am I to do?!" fucking idiots. NOSE DOWN..Then they go and pull up like morons. Furthermore, the Co-pilot didn't do ANYTHING, he could have easily contradicted the pilots control yoke inputs if he thought the pilot was incorrect. This still happens in this day and age? These pilots don't deserve to be paid.

[jrdragster3323]

@whoohaaXL u go do it under a lot of stress.. so shut the fuck up. u dont know what ur talking about cuz u have never experienced it!!!

[wasistdaswasdasist]

@whoohaaXL Erm, yes, whell.

The WEREN'T paid since 6 months.

And the pilot even had to get a second job, to earn money.

But he STILL worked as a pilot.

I guess, You are living a whell fed life with no knowledge about conditions in other countries, am I right?

[airdubai1]

@whoohaaXL

well say i totally i agree with u

[4lyfesports]

@whoohaaXL its easier to say that when we kno what the problem is but when your in the position you dont get that much time to think, there was alot going on with the noise the vibrations its easy to not realize the problem, we shouldnt judge the captain he did what at the time he thought would help.

[kashsoldier]

@whoohaaXL the pilot thought that the engines flamed out.

[DreamlandPhotos]

@whoohaaXL it is not as easy as you say for the copilot to contradict his higher authority, that is the captain. The captain has more experienced and most often the lower rank pilots obey his orders and listens to him. It is like you wouldn't tell off your boss even though he is doing something stupid. You would tell him in a polite way, if he rejects your idea, you stay silent, not go on arguing with him. This problem was addressed as well in another aci episode, but cant remember the name.

[Terkounek]

it kind of reminds me of AF 447, or am I wrong?

[4k8t]

@Terkounek The interim report using the recovered FDR indicates that AF 447 stalled and remained stalled all the way to the ocean though the cause may not be the same. Watching this episode, I was struck by how seemingly similar this crash was to what seemed to have happened to AF 447.

[john9988766]

Its hardly an isolated incident. The same thing happened with Colgan Air 3407 (from the episode "Stalled in the sky"). For reasons beyond understanding, not only did the pilots pull back on the control column after the stick-shaker was activated, but they also retracted the flaps.

[Airlinesguyrulz]

@weirdosack This one. Barely. Both so awesome.

[Pro1331]

I think many people react very differently in shocking reality compared to expected simulations. The simple fact is that in training / simulations, pilots always expect something to go wrong, whereas in reality, they almost never expect anything to go wrong. The surprise probably causes major differences.

The Air France flight that stalled over the Atlantic was also caused by the pilot pulling the nose up rather than down, despite apparent stall warnings issued in the cockpit.

[dZankell]

Even thought I am from Venezuela. I don't consider this aircrash to be really a Venezuelan case, because the aircraft was Colombia, the passengers were French from Martinique. The accident could've happened anywhere.

[platinumsalamander]

i understand all the factors that contributed to temporary loss of focus, but still, for all the time he was relaxed and laughing with flight attendant how did he miss: 1- the artificial horizon showing the high nose, and 2- the speedometer showing low speeds and then top of that: 3- the stick shaker indicating stall? as a pilot don't u push the nose down almost involuntarily? isn't that an automatic reaction to the vibrations even with tunnel vision happening and everything else?

[emelianenkoo]

@platinumsalamander agreed. I can't think of any situation where the stick shaker goes and the pilot should pull back on the stick. Regardless of whether you have lost both engines you still have to nose down. Its crazy to think that there are pilots up there, that for whatever reasons, make such idiotic errors.

[bucinaus]

thanks for posting!!

[Darthbelal]

Poor guys, I'd be pissed too if I didn't get paid in six months. Then they get overworked, delayed and as if that wasn't enough, they go and run into a situation that they only seconds to recognize and resolve. What a shitty deal. God rest all those souls, especially the pilot and co-pilot.

[Iamfukenripped]

was a good episode that :), thanks mate .