Seyffertitz-Marsch (Marsch der Tiroler Kaiserjäger
von Rudolf Achleitner, * 01.03.1864 in Salzburg, † 02.12.1909 in Meran
Der „Seyffertitz-Marsch“ ist dem Freiherrn Theobald von Seyffertitz (Major und Kammervorsteher von Erzherzog Ferdinand), 1902/03 Kommandant des 1. Feldbattaillons, zugeeignet.
This is an Austrian march, dedicated to an Austrian field marshal. Perhaps it is true that Seyffertitz had German lineage somewhere along the way (not far fetched considering the interrelations of the various Germanic noble and royal families), but he was Tyrolean and thus Austrian by nationality. This march has no direct link to the country of Germany in origin, though historically it has been used (and is still in use) by the German military as a march fanfare (showing their excellent taste).
This is an Austrian march, dedicated to an Austrian field marshal. Perhaps it is true that Seyffertitz had German lineage somewhere along the way (not far fetched considering the interrelations of the various Germanic noble and royal families), but he was Tyrolean and thus Austrian by nationality. This march has no direct link to the country of Germany in origin, though historically it has been used (and is still in use) by the German military as a march fanfare (showing their excellent taste).
Ist dieser Marsch ein Kavalleriemarsch? Er klingt so wegen der Trompeten. Eine Aufnahme war durch das Trompeter-Korps des 3. Nachrichtenabteilung in Potsdam (ich denke im 1930' s).
Nevertheless, I do enjoy marches from various countries and this march is one of them. If you enjoy martial music I recommend "Marsz Rzeczpospolita" a Polish march...thanks for your comments.
You're quite welcome. I missed Orlik during his hiatus too and I'm delighted to see he's back. A fellow from Argentina, FonTatus, also posts lots of good music.
I hope you don't mind if I offer another suggestion......I stumbled upon another person who is posting good martial music, His/her screen name is duxdemontis98. I hope this is helpful.
I don't mind at all. Actually, recommending duxdemontis' channel crossed my mind too, as it is a real treat. Amongst his many uploads are some hard-to-find and rarely performed Austrian marches -- and in excellent audio quality too! (Though I am a bit miffed by his misclassifying several traditional Austrian Regimental marches as Prussian and even Swiss, on the IMHO feeble grounds that they found their way in the repertory of the military bands of those countries ;-/ )
Of course information about the people I named is readily obtainable by using Google and it won't take long to find. I'd guess that you're not familiar with The Battle of San Jacinto, The Battle of New Orleans, Stephen F. Austin and other details of American history.. This is not a reflection on your intellectual acumen, simply ignorance of the subjects as I am also ignorant about German and Austrian history. Americans are not required to delve deeply into the history of foreign countries.
Now I see your point and I do agree. When you professed to see little difference between German and Austrian marches, I obviously misconstrued this as yet another one of those numerous diatribes posted on youtube by Pangermans and Hitler freaks, whilst your intention was merely to express that you are ignorant of any difference and that you frankly don't care, both of which is only fair, of course.
Rotweissrot, If I lived in Germany I would make every effort to acquaint myself with as much German and Austrian history as I could digest, as well as learning the language. I would feel obligated to learn as much as possible about my host country and its traditions. Thank you for pointing out the distinction between Germany and Austria. I believe the Governor of the state of California is Austrian. Some don't like him but I admire him for overcoming adversity and succeeding in the USA.
ok ok ok.....it's AUSTRIAN ! I realize there is some distinction between "German" and "Austrian".....To me it's similar to saying "Semper Fidelis" is a "Texas" march and "National Emblem" is a "Vermont" march....in any case it's a very good march...or marsch.
My comparison might be obtuse since I'm American and not schooled in the delicate differences between "German" and "Austrian" I do know that A. Hitler was Austrian, born to Alois Schickelgruber and Klara Hitler in Braunau, Austria. My lack of knowledge about "Austrian" marches and "German marches" would be the equivalent on your part of not recognizing George Wallace, Orville Faubus, Lester Maddox, "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne and other figures well known by Americans.
You are right in assuming that I don't know any of the gentlemen mentioned in the final sentence of your post. For me that is a perfectly good reason not to call any of them "British".
"March for the Ruling family in Germany by Ernst Mosch " Ruling family!?
What a complete load of Teutonic bollocks!
This piece was dedicated to Theobald von Seyffertitz, an Austrian General, and the composer is Rudolf Achleitner, not one Mosch. The latter may be the director of the band performing .
this has been one video i have disregarded since I posted it, sorry for the innacuracy, I was given the music file for this march indicating it was German, the composer was Austrian, but the Seyffertitz family actually has origins in Prussia and Saxony-so technically the family is regarded as a ruling German family with Austrian descendants, by the way the song was composed by Theobald Freiherr von Seyffertitz;
Apologies for my impetuosity, but misattributions of traditional Austrian regimental marches are so common and hardly ever unintentional.
You are right, of course, about the provenance of the Seyffertitz family. The march is nonetheless clearly Austrian. It's tempo betrays its Austrian provenance, so does its history: It has always been associated with the Tyrolian Kaiserjäger Regiments, in one of which the composer, Achleitner, served as a bandmaster and in which Seyffertitz was an officer.
I really didn't notice the innacuracies until I fully read each of the comments, so I have to be the one apologizing, I understand the under-appreciation of Austrian culture on Youtube, and the world, next time I'll make sure to do thourough research before posting
Never mind! Though you are wrong to think of Austrians as being irritated by a lack of appreciation of their culture. Rather, many Austrians, including myself, are sick and tired of others (particularly Germans) appreciating our culture so much that they appropriate parts of it to pass them off as theirs. Youtube is replete with traditional Austrian marches mislabeled "German". But this should not come as a complete surprise, given the fact that even the German anthemn is of Austrian origin.
Well, the Seyffertitz march is definitely not German! It is Austrian (musically as well as historically). It was dedicated to one of the commanders of the Tyrolian "Kaiserjäger", an elite combat unit of the Imperial Austrian Army, whence its name.
Das ist so ein schwieriger aber umso schönerer Marsch
ich bin stolz das unsere Kapelle den Marsch im Programm hat
kampfgelse1995 5 months ago
Seyffertitz-Marsch (Marsch der Tiroler Kaiserjäger
von Rudolf Achleitner, * 01.03.1864 in Salzburg, † 02.12.1909 in Meran
Der „Seyffertitz-Marsch“ ist dem Freiherrn Theobald von Seyffertitz (Major und Kammervorsteher von Erzherzog Ferdinand), 1902/03 Kommandant des 1. Feldbattaillons, zugeeignet.
musiksammlerkrems 7 months ago
This is an Austrian march, dedicated to an Austrian field marshal. Perhaps it is true that Seyffertitz had German lineage somewhere along the way (not far fetched considering the interrelations of the various Germanic noble and royal families), but he was Tyrolean and thus Austrian by nationality. This march has no direct link to the country of Germany in origin, though historically it has been used (and is still in use) by the German military as a march fanfare (showing their excellent taste).
maxtastic20 1 year ago
This is an Austrian march, dedicated to an Austrian field marshal. Perhaps it is true that Seyffertitz had German lineage somewhere along the way (not far fetched considering the interrelations of the various Germanic noble and royal families), but he was Tyrolean and thus Austrian by nationality. This march has no direct link to the country of Germany in origin, though historically it has been used (and is still in use) by the German military as a march fanfare (showing their excellent taste).
maxtastic20 1 year ago
Ist dieser Marsch ein Kavalleriemarsch? Er klingt so wegen der Trompeten. Eine Aufnahme war durch das Trompeter-Korps des 3. Nachrichtenabteilung in Potsdam (ich denke im 1930' s).
MrDPetersen 2 years ago
@MrDPetersen Nein. Es ist ein Infanteriemarsch, komponiert für das 3. Regiment, Tiroler Kaiserjäger.
rotweissrot100 1 year ago 3
Nevertheless, I do enjoy marches from various countries and this march is one of them. If you enjoy martial music I recommend "Marsz Rzeczpospolita" a Polish march...thanks for your comments.
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
"Marsz Rzeczpospolita" is indeed rather nice. My favourite Polish pieces: Warszawianka and the Marsz Generalski
rotweissrot100 2 years ago
I believe that you'd also enjoy "Wiwat Polonia"...just a suggestion.
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
Thanks a lot for your suggestion, which has made me aware of the reincarnation of Orlik, a plenty source of fine marches.
rotweissrot100 2 years ago
You're quite welcome. I missed Orlik during his hiatus too and I'm delighted to see he's back. A fellow from Argentina, FonTatus, also posts lots of good music.
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
I hope you don't mind if I offer another suggestion......I stumbled upon another person who is posting good martial music, His/her screen name is duxdemontis98. I hope this is helpful.
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
I don't mind at all. Actually, recommending duxdemontis' channel crossed my mind too, as it is a real treat. Amongst his many uploads are some hard-to-find and rarely performed Austrian marches -- and in excellent audio quality too! (Though I am a bit miffed by his misclassifying several traditional Austrian Regimental marches as Prussian and even Swiss, on the IMHO feeble grounds that they found their way in the repertory of the military bands of those countries ;-/ )
rotweissrot100 2 years ago
This notwithstanding, searching on his channel for "Österreichischer Militärmarsch" (i.e. "Austrian military march") will give you some nice results.
I am sure you have already hit upon Werth1939 who has some rare historical recordings of Hungarian marches.
rotweissrot100 2 years ago
Of course information about the people I named is readily obtainable by using Google and it won't take long to find. I'd guess that you're not familiar with The Battle of San Jacinto, The Battle of New Orleans, Stephen F. Austin and other details of American history.. This is not a reflection on your intellectual acumen, simply ignorance of the subjects as I am also ignorant about German and Austrian history. Americans are not required to delve deeply into the history of foreign countries.
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
Now I see your point and I do agree. When you professed to see little difference between German and Austrian marches, I obviously misconstrued this as yet another one of those numerous diatribes posted on youtube by Pangermans and Hitler freaks, whilst your intention was merely to express that you are ignorant of any difference and that you frankly don't care, both of which is only fair, of course.
rotweissrot100 2 years ago
Rotweissrot, If I lived in Germany I would make every effort to acquaint myself with as much German and Austrian history as I could digest, as well as learning the language. I would feel obligated to learn as much as possible about my host country and its traditions. Thank you for pointing out the distinction between Germany and Austria. I believe the Governor of the state of California is Austrian. Some don't like him but I admire him for overcoming adversity and succeeding in the USA.
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
Oesterreich, Dir mein Herz!
grenpier 2 years ago 2
ok ok ok.....it's AUSTRIAN ! I realize there is some distinction between "German" and "Austrian".....To me it's similar to saying "Semper Fidelis" is a "Texas" march and "National Emblem" is a "Vermont" march....in any case it's a very good march...or marsch.
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
@SpeedyNeutrino43
Of course, it's a good march, you are absolutely right in this regard.
Though your comparison is a bit lame.
Calling the march a "German" one, would be more like claiming that "Semper fidelis" is a Mexican march and "National Emblem" an English one.
rotweissrot100 2 years ago
My comparison might be obtuse since I'm American and not schooled in the delicate differences between "German" and "Austrian" I do know that A. Hitler was Austrian, born to Alois Schickelgruber and Klara Hitler in Braunau, Austria. My lack of knowledge about "Austrian" marches and "German marches" would be the equivalent on your part of not recognizing George Wallace, Orville Faubus, Lester Maddox, "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne and other figures well known by Americans.
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
You are right in assuming that I don't know any of the gentlemen mentioned in the final sentence of your post. For me that is a perfectly good reason not to call any of them "British".
rotweissrot100 2 years ago
"March for the Ruling family in Germany by Ernst Mosch " Ruling family!?
What a complete load of Teutonic bollocks!
This piece was dedicated to Theobald von Seyffertitz, an Austrian General, and the composer is Rudolf Achleitner, not one Mosch. The latter may be the director of the band performing .
rotweissrot100 2 years ago 5
this has been one video i have disregarded since I posted it, sorry for the innacuracy, I was given the music file for this march indicating it was German, the composer was Austrian, but the Seyffertitz family actually has origins in Prussia and Saxony-so technically the family is regarded as a ruling German family with Austrian descendants, by the way the song was composed by Theobald Freiherr von Seyffertitz;
Herrmann90 2 years ago
Apologies for my impetuosity, but misattributions of traditional Austrian regimental marches are so common and hardly ever unintentional.
You are right, of course, about the provenance of the Seyffertitz family. The march is nonetheless clearly Austrian. It's tempo betrays its Austrian provenance, so does its history: It has always been associated with the Tyrolian Kaiserjäger Regiments, in one of which the composer, Achleitner, served as a bandmaster and in which Seyffertitz was an officer.
rotweissrot100 2 years ago 5
I really didn't notice the innacuracies until I fully read each of the comments, so I have to be the one apologizing, I understand the under-appreciation of Austrian culture on Youtube, and the world, next time I'll make sure to do thourough research before posting
Herrmann90 2 years ago
Never mind! Though you are wrong to think of Austrians as being irritated by a lack of appreciation of their culture. Rather, many Austrians, including myself, are sick and tired of others (particularly Germans) appreciating our culture so much that they appropriate parts of it to pass them off as theirs. Youtube is replete with traditional Austrian marches mislabeled "German". But this should not come as a complete surprise, given the fact that even the German anthemn is of Austrian origin.
austrian37 2 years ago 7
Indeed.
rotweissrot100 2 years ago
Deserving of a thumbs up just for "complete load of Teutonic bollocks".
ewd76 2 years ago 6
Der Marsch kommt eindeutig aus Österreich! Mein Nachbar stammt von Seyffertitz ab. Und das ist keine Verarsche.
Meisterphilyli 2 years ago 13
nur mal so nebenbei... das is aba sowas von kein deutscher marsch!!!
der is österreichisch... fürs Kaiserjäger-Regiment in Tirol!!!
so wie die meisten guten "deutschen" Märsche auf youtube eigentlich österreichische sind!!
jeanclode90 2 years ago 18
du hasts erkannt ^^
eragon812 2 years ago 10
@jeanclode90
besser hätt ichs ned sagen können
aftershowparty 2 years ago
@jeanclode90
Jawoll der seyffertitz marsch ist von Rudolf Achleiter , genau wie der Tiroler Adler !!!!
Keine Ahnung manche Leute , Tze....
Muchherbertbua 4 months ago
This is one of the better German marches I've heard. Bravo
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
Well, the Seyffertitz march is definitely not German! It is Austrian (musically as well as historically). It was dedicated to one of the commanders of the Tyrolian "Kaiserjäger", an elite combat unit of the Imperial Austrian Army, whence its name.
rotweissrot100 2 years ago 6
@SpeedyNeutrino43 this march is from austria!
rot weiß rot bis in den tot^^
hopently 2 years ago 2