MAY DAY WALK

[AdukaShot2ss]

I've taken up many jobs since young. (Holidays during secondary school day; While waiting for NS; Part time jobs after NS, and My own career now.) Fast food restaurant, Factories, Office jobs, Even Hawker stalls. I love to work with ppl of different nationalities and i learnt many things. And i dare say, I'm GLAD i'll continue to work in Singapore.

[AdukaShot2ss]

I'm not a PAP-Supporter. But i honestly think they do not exploit workers in S'pore. Look around south east asia region. Our workers have best unions, most secured, safe and efficient work enviroments, welfares, on-time pay, meritocracies, all these and more benefits which workers in MOST of the countries of the world can only dream of. I had very close relationships with job agencies. Just ask all those influx of foreigners why they're fighting so hard to try land a job here.

[politicsg]

i would presuppose that this exploitation might be in the context of CPF and the lack of minimum wage pertaining to the lower class. My opinion, however, would be a different one. The economy would have had a higher Market Cap with a Multiparty system rather than a single party like PAP, in other words, Singaporeans would have been richer without PAP controlling 1/3 of the economy.

[AdukaShot2ss]

Minimum wage caps = investors running away & less vacancies for Sporeans as cost'll increase for MNCs. I'd rather sporeans stay competitive and push up market-rate pay naturally as it is more stable for our small country.

To have multi/single party gov is up to the SG people to vote. Anyhow, advantage of a almost single party gov works well in sg as differences can be speedily resolved in house instead of across houses. 1 can also argue SG would have been poorer without PAP oversighting economy

[politicsg]

the minimum wage cap is more likely a scare tactic by the present govt. many govts implement minimum wage caps and still don't have exodus of MNCs. Most MNCs leave simply because of market economics/environments rather than wage caps.

in terms of a multiparty u would have more oversight in economy simply. an interesting analogy for u would be to look at "open source" concepts. this is where the world is generally heading towards.

[AdukaShot2ss]

MinimumWageCap (MWC)= new MNCs think twice b4 coming, might run 2 our neighbours 4 cheaper workers. MWC would B added reason, should an MNC considers leaving. We've no natural resources. If MNCs hire less SG, stop coming, or starts 2 leave, we got not much 2 fall back on +Unemployment rise. Prefer which? MWC & less SG be hired & LowerClass uemployment rise as MNC hires cheaper foreigners? OR market determine wages & more SG get hired? Remember, competitions 4 workers R all around S.E.Asia

[politicsg]

MNCs are already going to other countries in S.E.Asia & china. what do u mean? whether u have a minimum wage cap it won't make a difference. what u need now should be encouraging is more local enterprise like TW & HK and less state control of the economy. TW & HK have no natural resources too but they have fared much better economically than SG.

[AdukaShot2ss]

I believe u've ran out of ideas to champion my views on MWCaps. I shall not debate further. To say TW don't have natural resources i believe u might didn't do ur research. For HK, before 1997, they've Britain behind them. Post 97 they have the whole of China embracing them. u Think workers there enjoy more benefits than workers here or their economy is better than SG? ur research has failed. Do u know how much poor squatters are there in TW & HK living side by side their top business district?

[politicsg]

TW have only small deposits of coal & natural gas. however that shouldn't make u think that the entire economy is relying on its coal & natural gas. HK workers get higher wages than SG. there will always be the poor. however their market cap and number of local MNCs are more numerous then SGs.

[AdukaShot2ss]

Ofcourse i don't think their entire economy rely just on on natural resources such as Coal & Gas. But lets see what else they got that SG don't have; Agriculture, poultry, fishing industry, limestone, marble...

2006 World Economic Forum Ranks Singapore above Hong kong amongst the world's most competitive economies. 1 of many articles focusing on the entrenched working-class poverty problems in HK:

edition.cnn.c o m/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/05/29/hon­gkong.tinshuiwai.reut/

[politicsg]

btw sg does have some agriculture :)

however ur article shows that free press can help alert issues of poverty in HK. thus the HK is open to criticism. whatever they do we hope it will improve. many of these things in the article are not uncommon even in sg. however if u criticise the govt, u will be in trouble :) this can open to unnecessary abuse of power.

[AdukaShot2ss]

With multi parties, even sound gov $ investment policies would still be have to go through disputes, split views, thus slowing down implementations. We are small, we can't afford to lag behind. Where-ever the rest of world heads to, I wish the best for all of them. But in case natural/econmic disater strikes SG, which of those country will buy us out? Don't forget lessons of 1965.

[politicsg]

not necessarily. the present govt seems to like to keep everything under tight control. however if u look at multiparty democracies like TW & HK. they have been stronger & more resilient than SG & not to mention more enterprising. the lessons of 1965 seem to be more exagerated than it seems. dun believe everything u read.

[AdukaShot2ss]

Let me stress again, there's no universal governing standard that a country MUST embrace in order 2 progress. What's better for us, ultimately is FOR US. 1 just need 2 turn the pages every now & then 2 C the mess during their (HK/TW) legislative & parliament sessions. Perphaps u want 2 check on the statistics of their enterprising status 2 see how much business-start-ups failed or R struggling as compared 2 ours. Ur statement about "1965" is seriously ludicrous

[politicsg]

well parliamentary/legislative sessions might give u an idea whether politicians are inedpt or not. however, u should judge by policy rather than just debating sessions. depends on how u view on what role the govt should take. should they serve u or should u serve them? failure rates of business will always be high. thats normal. however, i guess it depends if u prefer a country with a 1/3 state monopoly or a resilient free economy.

[AdukaShot2ss]

U got it right; (Do note again I'm not pro-PAP) AND i must say our present goverment has served us well. If there's any preferences, i'd choose whatever that grows our economy 2 the optimum. I do not care whether it is 1% or 100% state owns. What works is what talks. Our circumstances requires the current Gov-oversights of our economy and the record speaks for itself. 3rd world to 1st world within 3 decades? Not bad for a 1/3 state monopolized economy.

[politicsg]

PAP has done not bad. Its not a A nor a F. Confidence is low after the NKF scandal & Minister pay hikes. It is good to see justice done in the NKF issue for once although the situation of RichYong is suspicious. differences between state owned & not state owned. Opening up the economy will encourage competition & innovation. State own gives more revenue to govt & probably lets u pay less tax. historically, state owned economies r not as dynamic as free economies.

[AdukaShot2ss]

Give me 1 example in history which like us a country in peril during 1960s, just recuperating from the damage of W-War II, suffering abandonment from the British Arm Forces, with racial instability knocking at our doorsteps constantly, fearing Communistic fanatism & neighbouring countries threatening to engulfs us anytime, AND STILL turn it all around within 30 yrs to a First world status.

[politicsg]

both TW & HK fit the bill. ur communism charge is unfounded as in 1960s LKY worked with the communists for a short while. the marxist conspiracy seems unfounded & untrue. evidence did not seem strong enough. it is difficult to believe the official story since it did not truely make sense. those social workers were most probably detained 4 criticising govt policy.

[politicsg]

having multiparties to do policy making does not necessarily mean a slowdown of implementation. i reckon the departments built in SG are fairly efficient as it is. the decision making will still be fairly quick since they have adopted the party "whip" in parliament anyway. accusations thrown around election time don't have to be taken too seriously.

[AdukaShot2ss]

I'm AMAZED by your idea that "accusations thrown around election time don't have to be taken too seriously." Whoever u are, I wish to see that if u ever participate in an election, try to tell your audiences at the end of your rally, not to take home too seriously whatever that you said/accuse. Why SG is so efficient can be largely attributed to a Single Major Party at helm. Again i must state, SG gets what SG voted for.

[politicsg]

i'm saying that because of the view of voters in western/eastern democracies. politicians will often hurl whatever comments or whatever against their opponents. it is politics after all. it is their policies that are more important than many of the personal attacks that go around. as far as i'm concerned, SG is 1 of the only few countries that sue/destroy oppositions in order to bar them from elections. from the viewpoint of many in the world, it is childish.

[AdukaShot2ss]

U dn't seems 2 realize tht our circumstances R different. Let me give u an analogy. Those countries R like air-craft carriers. U stamp around, jump up&down on it all day N it won't sink. Try do that on our little sampan see what'll happen.

[politicsg]

thats why u need good international relations & economic/political progress to lead ur neighbours :)

[AdukaShot2ss]

Sad to say, Western "so called-Democratic" countries, are not our immediate neighbours. :) Which Asian country is fore-casted by almost all present day economists to be leading the Asian economy in a few decades time? China. Is China modelling itself after the U.S.A or the E.U.? No. This ends my debate with u. I'd prefer to exchange views with someone who has a stake in Singapore, rather than just an observer.

[politicsg]

china although powerful will certainly do well as a working class society since it is keeping to its communist roots. however, they will slowly break into a more democratic role as more & more middle class become more aware. we r even seeing a peaceful protest in xiamen :) there were even some elements of elections in villages :)

[politicsg]

<Sad to say, Western "so called-Democratic" countries, are not our immediate neighbours. :)>

u have malaysia & indonesia who are ranked more democratic than SG. it will only be a matter of time they play catch up :)

[AdukaShot2ss]

Malaysia & Indonesia more democratic than SG??? LmaooooL!!! Whoever u are, i sincerely wish you go live in either of this 2 countries and don't ever come to SG. Hope u don't eat your words, lol! U guys have some "nice" ideas, but your ideas is to ask for the rights to anything and everything. In Fatasia, that would be most "democratic" but realistically, you wake up to the Real world every morning. This is my last comment.

[politicsg]

MY & ID has been ranked by freedom house to be more democratic. i'm not the one who ranks it :) political dialogue is more open in these countries. bloggers in MY can criticise the govt. of course religious dialogue is not as open as SG :)

[AdukaShot2ss]

Since u said policies R more important than personal-attacks then stick to them. If you want 2 do p.attacks, don't come 2 elections 2 waste potential voters' time, bullshits and dishonour the solemnities of votings. Election is most serious affair of our Nation. If U claim to "Dare to change" U must also Dare to accept consequences 4 lying as well.

[politicsg]

nope. not a voter nor politician. just an observer. u dunno how many politicians have truly lied or not, nor do u know how many have got away from lying, PAP or not. granted noone is perfect. but u can look at Queen Counsel's court battle between JBJ & LKY in 1997 to see a proper fair trial since it was held in an independent court outside of SG.

[AdukaShot2ss]

Using ur logic, why then must i believe that The Queen's Privy Counsel during JBJ Trail was a fair one? JBJ Lawyers could have lied or fabricated some evidence. Or Maybe the Jugdes shouldn't have believe what they were told! You can accuse of conspiracies all day about who lied; who might not have lied; don't believe everything u read; who should not deserved to be punished for lying or who got away... at the end of the day, (chinese saying), victor gets the goat.

[politicsg]

it is highly unlikely since pretty much all LKY cases sued against XXX opposition fails. Having a third party judge in another country certainly helps to give a more independent view and thus a fairer trial. the QC that fought 4 JBJ is George Carman. perhaps he might be lying, perhaps not, but he certainly seems 1 of the best.

[AdukaShot2ss]

As a neutral sg, i believe any hearing or trials outside of SG should definitely should be void. Name me 1 country that would tolerate a trail pertaining to its own internal affairs to be heard outside of its own border. Let me know this country and how its economy status fairs with SG's. I shall end my debate with you here, as you are just an observer, not a voter.

[politicsg]

lol does it matter if one is a voter or not? ohhh does it mean i'm talking to someone in ISD? this should be fun :) the trial of pinochet was done in spain :) many dictators have had their trials in international court of justice. try not to mix politics with economy :) this is justice we want :)

[politicsg]

apologies as i got mixed up with court battles... JBJ had not won any court cases since they are in SG. only international NGOs were allowed to observe his court proceedings. only Devan Nair was the one that had a fair trial in Canada. I was surprised u believed me :)

[AdukaShot2ss]

Wow, u are really amazing. When did i said i believed your erratic infos? Maybe you should go read up some books about what happen with JBJ from 1986-1988. LoL! ISD? haha i take it completely as flattering~! Why don't u say i'm from the cabinet? Maybe i'm somebody big... Anyhow, not wanting to stray away from the main topic, I still believe as a neutral, workers here in SG enjoy much benefits which our counter parts in oversea can only hope for.

[politicsg]

for a "neutral". u don't sound very neutral. either u're pro-PAP or u're "brainwashed" by the system or whatever other scenario u can be. yes i must say i'm not very good with the JBJ issue since info on SG's political issues are limited :) if u think SG enjoys a lot of benefits, have u actually worked overseas & compared?

[fauso13]

big respect for Dr Chee & Ms Chee,

[sylvester134]

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[jeckie1970]

thank Dr Chee & Ms Chee,

thanks for doing something ....

really appreciate this WaLK that you had arranged,....

keep it going men....