Commodore 64 C64 SID 6581 Pulse - Mega Man Delta Spy vs Spy Tetris

[Pitereczek100]

0:14 Madonna "get together" :)

[RetardicA]

Koyaanisqatsi: The Game

Developed by LJN

[thearchiveable]

Nice try, but i don't hear anything near a SID sound.. ?

[ilife11]

TETRIS SOUNDS GREAT

I HAVE THE CD64 HERE WITH ME

[TheInfamousBob314]

Suddenly, Philip Glass!

[mottokenji]

0:23 - 0:38 Nice Playing & Arrangement !

[PewnyPL]

What music was that at 0:50 ? (I know it from somewhere, I just can't remember)

[sephatu]

@PewnyPL sounds like zombie-cranberries to me lol

[bernigers]

@PewnyPL tetris

[AvengerDK]

You should have played more Spy vs. Spy!

[TheDustpile]

MIDI-equipped Commodore 64s and SID emulators allow for the composition of sophisticated game-like tunes very quickly. And they don't have to cost much or anything at all.

Free VSTi and the likes of the MSSIAH can do the job for a fraction of the cost of new whizzo software.

Click my name to view TOLERANCE SUITE FOR THE VITRIOLIC ENLIGHTENED!

[subGENRE72]

lol, i know some zelda frogger mario...

[thelightguy1]

Loved Dr.Wily's theme.

[LokoBrown]

1:27 tetris!! woooo!!! ur good

[LucidSpore]

Nice man, i was picturing some drums behind it , it would sound nice=] but still really nice i loved the part at the end

[athr0x]

are you using Plogue, or is it just a waveform ?

[KALSoundProductions]

Sounds like 2 saw waves together... and very good playing skills.

[wolfeedarkfang]

Nice. I always loved the cid chip on the C64. :D Even today it sounds awesome.

[dante666diaz]

Yea, but he is using chipsounds which is emulating the CID chip and I have always felt that Plogue Chipsounds sounds a little dry. They lost a bit of that analog punch those actual hardware chips have.

[raymarkhamyarsongs]

@dante666diaz  it's SID chip.

[dante666diaz]

@raymarkhamyarsongs Oh, my bad!

[raymarkhamyarsongs]

@dante666diaz it's all good. now you know ;)

[ScrollAndKeyBeatz]

@dante666diaz nothing a little D/A conversion impulse response and some compression can't fix... ;)

[dante666diaz]

@ScrollAndKeyBeatz To an extent.

[tuFFz123]

@dante666diaz im new to this but can u tell me - how can a chip, which is fully digital, have any analog "punch"?

[GentleSavage1]

@dante666diaz

the SID was a digital synthesizer - well, the sound generation part was. The only analog part was the filter, and IIRC that got replaced by a digital one on the 8580 SID.

I've heard some software SIDs that sounded pretty nice.

The one in this video sounds pretty harsh, but that might just be the settings the guy used.

[thearchiveable]

@GentleSavage1

It was a sound generating chip actually made by Ensonique. They later went into the synth and sampler market.

[GentleSavage1]

@thearchiveable

Not quite. The SID was designed and produced by MOS technology, and the chief engineer of the chip, Bob Yannes, would later (co-)found Ensoniq, which started right into the synth market.

[KaslarProductions]

@GentleSavage1 NO, the 8580 has an analog filter..... the control ports and oscillators are digital. The filter and output ports analog...

[GentleSavage1]

@KaslarProductions

Still I remembre that something with the filter was changed in 8580, what was it then?

The filter sounds completely different than the old chip, anyway.

But yeah, now that I think of it, with the computation power back then, I'd find it unlikely to find a digital filter in there.

[inphanta]

@GentleSavage1: With the 8580, they "tidied" up the filters, which were a bit "grungy" on the older models (though that was part of the charm). Either way, the filters tended to vary from SID to SID. Thus, some tunes that relied heavily on their use could sound completely different on other other C64 models. Many C64 composers at the time (Galway, Hubbard et al) talk about this in interviews and such. Beyond that, the SID was entirely analogue.

[GentleSavage1]

@inphanta

I've reread meanwhile on how they corrected the filter design to linear operation instead of the "trick" that was the first implementation, yeah.

But "Beyond that, the SID was entirely analogue"

That's just plain wrong. Look at the specs.

[GentleSavage1]

@inphanta cont'

The oscillators are the archetype of Direct Digital Synhesis, omitting the wavetable, instead creating the waveforms from the accu register, feeding directly to the DAC before the only analog part: the filter, this all clocked by the same 1 MHz.

In other words, it couldn't be a more bare bones digital synthesizer - except the filter.

Also the output DAC was just 12 or even 8 bits. And you can hear that.

Care to explain how this is "entirely analog"?

[inphanta]

@GentleSavage1: Fair enough, I stand corrected. I was always under the impression that it was the sample-based chips such as the FM (as you say) and the ones found in 16 bit machines like the Amiga and the popular consoles onwards that were digital, whereas older chips like the SID and Yamaha/AY chips were analogue. My bad. But yeah,the filters are definitely analogue, no doubt about that. The SID could also output digitised sound via a 4th channel through programming tricks.

[GentleSavage1]

@inphanta

It tried to model the way in which analog setups typically worked, so it's not that far off. But you can hear a certain "uncleanness", roughness that chips of that era had because of their simplicity.

I too like the charm of the older filter, but I guess there should be also tunes that were written for the new filter and sound better on that one.

[GentleSavage1]

@inphanta cont' 2

My guess is, you might confuse the sound shaping setup typical for early analog synths with "analog", others like FM becoming the first popular digital synths as contrast, what stuck in the minds.

But that sound is (basically) not bound to analog-electronical implementation at all.

Or you caught that just by hearsay. And I've heard it being said a lot of times :-D

[GentleSavage1]

@KaslarProductions

"output ports analog"

I'm not sure what you are saying that for, though.

[KaslarProductions]

@GentleSavage1 It is relevant because the filter is not the only analog part...

"The analog output of each voice could be sent through a Multimode Analog Filter or bypass the filter and a final Multiplying D/A converter" -bob yannes

goto sid.kubarth. com for everything SID related. read the intervew with bob yannes to know everything about the SID archetecture

[GentleSavage1]

@KaslarProductions

I read that document many times, can't remember things about old vs. new filter thing.

How are outputs "relevant parts"? They are a few atoms of condcucting silicon after the DAC.

Sure there must be an analog "output" after the last thing before the analog filter, otherwise you would have nothing to feed the filter with, but that kinda goes without saying.

Your quote doesn't say "output ports", it says output, which probably is referring to the signal, anyway.

[aseglkj]

@dante666diaz actually, the SID is completely digital, except for the filters ...

[Leoooonard]

@dante666diaz bro the c64 is a digital system so is the sid chip , not to be confused with analog like lets say a vinyl record is

[sawwaveanalog]

@Leoooonard The sid chip is most definitely real analog sir. Portions at least. That's why it sounds so raddddd

[TheDustpile]

@wolfeedarkfang MIDI-equipped Commodore 64s and SID emulators allow for the composition of sophisticated game-like tunes very quickly. And they don't have to cost much or anything at all.

Free VSTi and the likes of the MSSIAH can do the job for a fraction of the cost of new whizzo software.

Click my name to view TOLERANCE SUITE FOR THE VITRIOLIC ENLIGHTENED!

[Cybertronic72388]

@wolfeedarkfang it's SID.... SOUND INTERFACE DEVICE

[wolfeedarkfang]

@Cybertronic72388 YAY you can correct a typo made 1 year ago. Want a cookie?

I know how to say it. Typos happen. Sheesh...

[Cybertronic72388]

@wolfeedarkfang where is my cookie? It better not be raisin either!

[ittekimasu]

awesome sound, love having this play in the bg as i go about my business

[newbie990812]

Cool

[jtfyou]

Now really people, why the Hell do we do this?

[guevaramatthew]

awesome!!!!

[furroy2]

rocking! i was one of the owners of the company that made the SID symphony stereo cartridge. this brings back the memories! hehe