I watched the video, & i think its well done. I often find that post modernists & some atheists continue to think that religion in a sense is a trap or somehow creates a corral around what "can be done" by the individual or even the group. This in a sense is hypocrasy b/c those same people live in societal groups that establish rules & conduct befitting acceptable behaviours which is willingly accepted. I think some people want the constant idea they can change rulesets & "new is better".
As a Roman Catholic I completely agree with individuals having free choices about our destiny which is why I reject secular superstitions like biological determinism or ecconomic determinism unlike many atheists. Catholicism just seems to have wiser group survival plans than Jonestown or the Khmer Rouge,
see this is the FUCKING problem , the big brains like this kid become bankers , turncoat motherfucker !!! protect the people ! sell out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO LIVE IN LONDON ,
2:25 Bias from our ancestors? Because we are part of a larger thing it becomes instilled in us? The question really is, why are humans so attracted to God? Also, so opposed to him? The reality is no other creature on earth can nearly think of a God while we can discuss this ourselves. It is because we are created in his image.
3:00 It sure can be, but when you know you are part of his and knowing what the problem us(sin) then things go back to normal. The issue isn't God, its us.
It has nothing to do with comfort. It has to do with truth, and the truth about Sin. Does God bring peace and comfort? Of course. You won't get that when you oppose him by your thoughts, deeds and lies. Its about sin, i experience this too. If I fall into a sin, and continue, it drags me away from God. I lose focus on him. Now, if someone like you who hates God in action/deed,thoughts and tongue and completely rejects it, of course it will seem ridiculous.
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate"
Sin corrupts the human mind, and as a result it blinds you from the truth about God and Sin. You make seem intellectually smart, but in actuality its foolishness. Romans 1 talks about how God gives you over to your sin.
The premise of a god who has a plan for each individual also absolves one at least to some degree, from having to take responsibility for one's own failures and poor decisions. It creates a pat answer as to why bad things happen to good people, and vice versa. ("It's god's will!") And perhaps it does offer some comfort to those who might be overwhelmed by life in general. In other words, it's a crutch.
how can an omniscient god get his own plan wrong?... flooding the earth and killing everyone to start again.. that created a contradiction right there... perhaps this god forgets that he's omniscient?
Young children will sometimes whine to adults for failing to provide them with entertainment. "There's nothing to do!" they lament. Yes, there's plenty to do and adults figure it out.
Good video, Sol. One thing that this topic makes me think about is this idea of "God's mind" and what it's nature would be.
The theist position generally seems to be that the existence of God's mind somehow trumps anything that arises from our minds because God's mind is objective (static?) due to omniscience. Our opinions on morality, aesthetics, our own emotional condition, are magically made null and void by the existence of God's mind.
@SolRosenberg84 Whenever theists present the objective purpose argument as a reason to believe in God, I always ask: “Even if we were to presuppose a God exists, what makes you think that you, the Church, or any holy book can know what a divine mind wants? I mean no one can even read what their fellow neighbor’s intentions truly are, so how do you know about a mind that transcends this world?” It is at this point that invariably, they verbally fumble, stutter, and look bewildered.
@SolRosenberg84 Great video. The longing that theists have for "objective purpose" strikes me as the equivalent of a free people asking to be governed by a totalitarian regime. Asking for some external agent (i.e. God) to impute purpose to you is the very embodiment of servility. We are the ones who give our lives meaning, and given the individual unique strengths, talents, and temperaments of people, it makes sense that what gives a person meaning would vary markedly among different people.
I reject the very notion that meaning can be "objective" Because meaning is subjective by definition. Meaning is a concept, and does that concept mean shit to me? No, that is why I am a nihilist when it comes to existence, whether a deity/after life existed has absolutely no bearing on whether mere existence is meaningful or meaningless.
A after life....what is the point to life? To enter heaven, which of course god could of done in that in the very beginning, making life pointless. The after life is the "purpose" and what is the after life? Eternity of existence......I can't even comprehend how pointless and meaningless that truly is. So even if there was a "objective" purpose/meaning theirs is clearly not it.
I don't know. I think you're relying too much on evolutionary psychology. You're assuming that caveman society was organized as such, when there isn't any evidence to justify that assumption. I think the source of that need is something as simple as seeking comfort in an uncertain world.
i dont like objective purpose because i can make my own purpose that fits me better and if i dont want a purpose for a day and just want to watch tv, then i can lol
ObsidianTeen, I think you like to write before you read. I don't believe in religion because it has been corrupted over the years. The description of church in the bible is a community in which people speak their minds and help each other. It's ignorant, but satisfying, to say there is no god. God is real, religion is not. Don't judge your opinions about something when you don't know about it, and especially don't pretend you know about it. It makes you seem ignorant.
@SolRosenberg84 Me too :) I agree it seemed like it was missing something on the evolution bit. Especially when he compared it to miracles that occured way back when the Bible was written and how they don't happen now. Because those things never happened to begin with, or were glorified legends.
That's exactly what engages my mind a lot lately, as a result of watching a video where WL Craig says "Without god, human life, good deeds, the efforts we make to achieve something, are ultimately meaningless, because in an atheistic world, human life has no ultimate meaning'. And I say "Who needs 'ultimate meaning'?"
I agree with this video completely, but I think it's irrelevant whether an objective purpose is a more satisfying concept to believe in or not. The problem is that most theists believe that an objective purpose is necessary for humans to exist (at least the theists that I've had the chance to talk to about the matter).
..and its not like I diddnt know this before, but this video just caused me to recollect on the idea that life in a universal sense has no meaning. We all have to go sometime but until then, we'll all keep wondering.
realize the world its self is absurd, people work so hard to achieve something that in reality means nothing, and it sometimes seems worthless to exist, at least in my mind that's how I felt for a long time.
But I believe The Myth of Sisyphus and other essays by Albert Camus do a much better job at explaining the absurdity of life, it presents it in a way that while still true, is much less saddening.
I highly recommend people read the above mentioned book, I know it helped me a lot.
- and ultimately people somehow find more satisfaction in religion.
I think it also comes down to a person's willingness to accept an answer that seems plausible (however misguided it really is) and that also offers that satisfaction, because it seems nearly impossible to find some type of satisfaction in a world devoid of some type of meaning.
When you described thinking about it after rejecting it I think you did really well.
It seems absurd to want someone to control your destiny.
Just watched your video. It was really good. I especially enjoyed how you compared "god's purpose" to big brother's purpose and the machines from the Matrix.
I came to this conclusion as well, that their is some evolutionary baggage that creates this desire for humans to have a purpose, like we never escaped some of the ways our mind would have worked before we were able to rise above our animal instincts, sort of like an instinct to find a purpose.
When we realize we have no purpose I think it scares most people ;at least it frightened me when I first started thinking of it, but because of that I also believe it drives people to find that purpose-
Free?? First I would say God doesn't control me. Second I'm not sure what your concept of freedom is but the fact is we all have some imposed limitations either by our philosophy/worldview, culture, society, context. On what grounds do you assert that your philosophy is some how more beneficial to the individual, culture or society than my own?
@ObsidianTeen A worldview doesn't 'allow'; you created your own worldview. What about existence entails that your worldview is anymore meaningful than someone else's worldview? Case closed ? :) I suppose it is when ppl aren't willing to think critically.
On the contrary sir, I do think god controls you.
Two interpretations - either god has made it so humans as automatons who don't think they are, and in effect we are pawns prancing about for his purposes or humans are free willed, in which case we are observed constantly and manipulated into acting and doing as god wants (and punished horrifically if we don't)
@SolRosenberg84 You would have to demonstrate that either of those theological positions are actually held by Christians. Seeing as I don't hold to any of your interpretations I see no point in further discussion as it seems you don't care to reflect an accurate account of Christian theology whether it be from a Catholic or Protestant perspective...neither side is reflected in your interpretations.
@TogetherForPeace i agree that sol's interpretations don't hold to the interpretations or accounts of a religious perspective, but then again, he's viewing it from an external persepective, attempting to understand from observation. I agree with him on most levels personally, not to such an extent, I think theism can be very rewarding (tho not institutionalised religion) The most important thing to consider is that believing and feeling you're free does not constitute actually being free.
I tried to summarize the two end games of a world with an all powerful authority. One version accounts for free will, the other one doesn't. The first one sounds similar to the doctrine of pre-destination, the second one follows from the belief that we are free but god has a plan that is still being enacted (and since god knows what is to happen, how are we free? But I digress.)
But you are right, I should ask what your views are before responding. What are your views?
@SolRosenberg84 God being that which He is does not entail me not having the ability to make decisions. In short there is no sense in speaking of God controlling me in this way.
@SolRosenberg84 I'm not one for extended discussion in the comments. I've made my points that relate to your video. Should you care to clarify your points in a way that is well thought out and reasoned I'd certainly watch it.
@SolRosenberg84 Lastly there's a problem of consistency. Assuming these two interpretations are correct then tell me how would you be any more or less controlled by God than me?
Forgive me but I may sense a red herring. Limitation is indeed apropos for development, but the assertion made is that a worldview with the belief in a manipulative god serves to invoke captivity -- an absolute, impeding limitation that stagnates the mind. A purposeful being is indeed fundamentally grounded in vicissitude, but the lack of belief in a manipulative god serves the human condition more sufficiently. It's not a judgment on your non-manipulative conception of God.
@TogetherForPeace "I'm not sure what your concept of freedom is..." Freedom from biblical interdictions and commands.
"On what grounds do you assert that your philosophy is somehow more beneficial...?" On the grounds that it deals with actual, living human beings, who have to decide, individually and collectively, how to organize our society, so that life becomes better, without being told how by old texts or present day people who interpret those text their own way.
but we do have an objective purpose; this authoritative figure is our evolutionary baggage, that drives most of what we do (our wants and needs, our motivations); and our higher purpose is to pass on our genes, which means we are valueless on an individual basis, discardable;
we are not free, we are not blank slates, we are walking talking reproductive organs
@eyhexs We don't have to pass on our genes; the universe doesn't give a shit whether we commit suicide, masturbate, reproduce, eat cake, brush our teeth with Batman toothbrushes, or whatever.
Excellent video. Your thoughts at the end highlight existentialism. We are free and there is no god. Everything is permitted. Another excerpt from my essay: "It [the fact that there is no objective meaning] makes Man more independent; instead of having a predetermined meaning to our life before we are born, we get to decide our own meaning. Man is alone. As existentialism puts it, 'Man is condemned to be free.'"
"...A god that sends people to Hell (or created a Hell, or does a poor job warning people of Hell (which is evident from the fact that there are atheists in the world and that there is little or no evidence, and even if there is evidence, not everyone has access to it)) is not worthy of worship."
"I don’t want God to exist. I’m glad I’m not being constantly watched and that I’m free to pursue my own interests. If the god of Christianity or Islam were real, that would be a negative thing in my opinion. If either of those religions is true, then the majority of people will spend eternity in hell. I despise the doctrine of Hell. I think it is the most evil concept ever invented by men to control people...(...cont)
Sol, you don't attract very intelligent commenters lol....wait :O.
HybridD91 9 months ago
I watched the video, & i think its well done. I often find that post modernists & some atheists continue to think that religion in a sense is a trap or somehow creates a corral around what "can be done" by the individual or even the group. This in a sense is hypocrasy b/c those same people live in societal groups that establish rules & conduct befitting acceptable behaviours which is willingly accepted. I think some people want the constant idea they can change rulesets & "new is better".
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
As a Roman Catholic I completely agree with individuals having free choices about our destiny which is why I reject secular superstitions like biological determinism or ecconomic determinism unlike many atheists. Catholicism just seems to have wiser group survival plans than Jonestown or the Khmer Rouge,
Texasjim2007 1 year ago
see this is the FUCKING problem , the big brains like this kid become bankers , turncoat motherfucker !!! protect the people ! sell out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO LIVE IN LONDON ,
butterball1234abcd 1 year ago
You should watch this video it reminds me of you.. it talks about the same thing as you talk about here...
/watch?v=C3njjD41f48
ok.. have you watched it? ok jks im a fan of yours :) well done
Gettaization 1 year ago
you are so inspirational
MrThevadi 1 year ago
2:25 Bias from our ancestors? Because we are part of a larger thing it becomes instilled in us? The question really is, why are humans so attracted to God? Also, so opposed to him? The reality is no other creature on earth can nearly think of a God while we can discuss this ourselves. It is because we are created in his image.
3:00 It sure can be, but when you know you are part of his and knowing what the problem us(sin) then things go back to normal. The issue isn't God, its us.
xchampx 1 year ago
It has nothing to do with comfort. It has to do with truth, and the truth about Sin. Does God bring peace and comfort? Of course. You won't get that when you oppose him by your thoughts, deeds and lies. Its about sin, i experience this too. If I fall into a sin, and continue, it drags me away from God. I lose focus on him. Now, if someone like you who hates God in action/deed,thoughts and tongue and completely rejects it, of course it will seem ridiculous.
xchampx 1 year ago
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate"
1 Corinthians 1:18-19
Sin corrupts the human mind, and as a result it blinds you from the truth about God and Sin. You make seem intellectually smart, but in actuality its foolishness. Romans 1 talks about how God gives you over to your sin.
xchampx 1 year ago
interesting idea of where it comes from
ApeShallNevaKillApe 1 year ago
"What is really hanging up modern biology is its unwillingness to entertain the possibility that life is driven by purpose."- Terence Mckenna
Fallingawake12358 1 year ago
The premise of a god who has a plan for each individual also absolves one at least to some degree, from having to take responsibility for one's own failures and poor decisions. It creates a pat answer as to why bad things happen to good people, and vice versa. ("It's god's will!") And perhaps it does offer some comfort to those who might be overwhelmed by life in general. In other words, it's a crutch.
wavymavy 1 year ago
how can an omniscient god get his own plan wrong?... flooding the earth and killing everyone to start again.. that created a contradiction right there... perhaps this god forgets that he's omniscient?
lukeism2 1 year ago
Young children will sometimes whine to adults for failing to provide them with entertainment. "There's nothing to do!" they lament. Yes, there's plenty to do and adults figure it out.
TheFallibleFiend 1 year ago
For as smart as you are you make a very dissapointing argument.
cassiehdn 1 year ago
Any truly free spirit will recognize that an objective purpose is actually no purpose at all.
notthecheatr 1 year ago
very much agree with you and i loved the way you explained it.
Channel1Backup 1 year ago
Awesome solros, you make a VERY good point, freedom!!
JollSSteR 1 year ago
Good video, Sol. One thing that this topic makes me think about is this idea of "God's mind" and what it's nature would be.
The theist position generally seems to be that the existence of God's mind somehow trumps anything that arises from our minds because God's mind is objective (static?) due to omniscience. Our opinions on morality, aesthetics, our own emotional condition, are magically made null and void by the existence of God's mind.
How does God's mind negate our mind's value?
bowlsallbroken 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 Whenever theists present the objective purpose argument as a reason to believe in God, I always ask: “Even if we were to presuppose a God exists, what makes you think that you, the Church, or any holy book can know what a divine mind wants? I mean no one can even read what their fellow neighbor’s intentions truly are, so how do you know about a mind that transcends this world?” It is at this point that invariably, they verbally fumble, stutter, and look bewildered.
alphacause 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 Great video. The longing that theists have for "objective purpose" strikes me as the equivalent of a free people asking to be governed by a totalitarian regime. Asking for some external agent (i.e. God) to impute purpose to you is the very embodiment of servility. We are the ones who give our lives meaning, and given the individual unique strengths, talents, and temperaments of people, it makes sense that what gives a person meaning would vary markedly among different people.
alphacause 1 year ago
I reject the very notion that meaning can be "objective" Because meaning is subjective by definition. Meaning is a concept, and does that concept mean shit to me? No, that is why I am a nihilist when it comes to existence, whether a deity/after life existed has absolutely no bearing on whether mere existence is meaningful or meaningless.
jay666KJ 1 year ago
@jay666KJ
A after life....what is the point to life? To enter heaven, which of course god could of done in that in the very beginning, making life pointless. The after life is the "purpose" and what is the after life? Eternity of existence......I can't even comprehend how pointless and meaningless that truly is. So even if there was a "objective" purpose/meaning theirs is clearly not it.
jay666KJ 1 year ago
I don't know. I think you're relying too much on evolutionary psychology. You're assuming that caveman society was organized as such, when there isn't any evidence to justify that assumption. I think the source of that need is something as simple as seeking comfort in an uncertain world.
SpazzzDog 1 year ago
i dont like objective purpose because i can make my own purpose that fits me better and if i dont want a purpose for a day and just want to watch tv, then i can lol
patrickledford420 1 year ago
Great thought and points and I agree with you 100%
muzvh1 1 year ago
ObsidianTeen, I think you like to write before you read. I don't believe in religion because it has been corrupted over the years. The description of church in the bible is a community in which people speak their minds and help each other. It's ignorant, but satisfying, to say there is no god. God is real, religion is not. Don't judge your opinions about something when you don't know about it, and especially don't pretend you know about it. It makes you seem ignorant.
natthegnat14 1 year ago
Read God's Debris by Scott Adams.
Allyepiph 1 year ago
@Allyepiph
I have read it at least twice. Quite a fun read actually. I liked the cosmology he imagined for it. The part on evolution was kinda crappy though.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 Me too :) I agree it seemed like it was missing something on the evolution bit. Especially when he compared it to miracles that occured way back when the Bible was written and how they don't happen now. Because those things never happened to begin with, or were glorified legends.
Allyepiph 1 year ago
I love your videos. Your logos is amazing. Keep 'em coming, Mike!
dude101bb 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 sagan fan?
MrJivePirate 1 year ago
@MrJivePirate
Yup. Once you watch Cosmos you never go back.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
That's exactly what engages my mind a lot lately, as a result of watching a video where WL Craig says "Without god, human life, good deeds, the efforts we make to achieve something, are ultimately meaningless, because in an atheistic world, human life has no ultimate meaning'. And I say "Who needs 'ultimate meaning'?"
dewinthemorning 1 year ago
After more than a year's scope of your videos the Master Chief helm is still there, unmoved XD
xXSceilusXx 1 year ago
I agree with this video completely, but I think it's irrelevant whether an objective purpose is a more satisfying concept to believe in or not. The problem is that most theists believe that an objective purpose is necessary for humans to exist (at least the theists that I've had the chance to talk to about the matter).
Gurrengelion 1 year ago
Thought provoking video. This is why I subscribed to you. Keep up the good work, bro.
vocabularyspills 1 year ago
@vocabularyspills
..and its not like I diddnt know this before, but this video just caused me to recollect on the idea that life in a universal sense has no meaning. We all have to go sometime but until then, we'll all keep wondering.
vocabularyspills 1 year ago
realize the world its self is absurd, people work so hard to achieve something that in reality means nothing, and it sometimes seems worthless to exist, at least in my mind that's how I felt for a long time.
But I believe The Myth of Sisyphus and other essays by Albert Camus do a much better job at explaining the absurdity of life, it presents it in a way that while still true, is much less saddening.
I highly recommend people read the above mentioned book, I know it helped me a lot.
Good video!
IamMrAwesome 1 year ago
- and ultimately people somehow find more satisfaction in religion.
I think it also comes down to a person's willingness to accept an answer that seems plausible (however misguided it really is) and that also offers that satisfaction, because it seems nearly impossible to find some type of satisfaction in a world devoid of some type of meaning.
When you described thinking about it after rejecting it I think you did really well.
It seems absurd to want someone to control your destiny.
Then you-
IamMrAwesome 1 year ago
Damn you... I'm just about done working on a video on this topic!!!
Good video, still.
antybu86 1 year ago
@antybu86
Just watched your video. It was really good. I especially enjoyed how you compared "god's purpose" to big brother's purpose and the machines from the Matrix.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
I came to this conclusion as well, that their is some evolutionary baggage that creates this desire for humans to have a purpose, like we never escaped some of the ways our mind would have worked before we were able to rise above our animal instincts, sort of like an instinct to find a purpose.
When we realize we have no purpose I think it scares most people ;at least it frightened me when I first started thinking of it, but because of that I also believe it drives people to find that purpose-
IamMrAwesome 1 year ago
I couldn't agree more.
GalinorGustave 1 year ago
Free?? First I would say God doesn't control me. Second I'm not sure what your concept of freedom is but the fact is we all have some imposed limitations either by our philosophy/worldview, culture, society, context. On what grounds do you assert that your philosophy is some how more beneficial to the individual, culture or society than my own?
TogetherForPeace 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace
My worldview allows people to create their own values and meaning.
Your worldview says people go to Hell for not following God's meaning and values. Case closed. Mine is better.
ObsidianTeen 1 year ago
@ObsidianTeen A worldview doesn't 'allow'; you created your own worldview. What about existence entails that your worldview is anymore meaningful than someone else's worldview? Case closed ? :) I suppose it is when ppl aren't willing to think critically.
TogetherForPeace 1 year ago
"God doesn't control me"
Believe or die!
ObsidianTeen 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace
>First I would say God doesn't control me.
On the contrary sir, I do think god controls you.
Two interpretations - either god has made it so humans as automatons who don't think they are, and in effect we are pawns prancing about for his purposes or humans are free willed, in which case we are observed constantly and manipulated into acting and doing as god wants (and punished horrifically if we don't)
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago 6
@SolRosenberg84 You would have to demonstrate that either of those theological positions are actually held by Christians. Seeing as I don't hold to any of your interpretations I see no point in further discussion as it seems you don't care to reflect an accurate account of Christian theology whether it be from a Catholic or Protestant perspective...neither side is reflected in your interpretations.
TogetherForPeace 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace i agree that sol's interpretations don't hold to the interpretations or accounts of a religious perspective, but then again, he's viewing it from an external persepective, attempting to understand from observation. I agree with him on most levels personally, not to such an extent, I think theism can be very rewarding (tho not institutionalised religion) The most important thing to consider is that believing and feeling you're free does not constitute actually being free.
TheWatcherGrigori 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace
I tried to summarize the two end games of a world with an all powerful authority. One version accounts for free will, the other one doesn't. The first one sounds similar to the doctrine of pre-destination, the second one follows from the belief that we are free but god has a plan that is still being enacted (and since god knows what is to happen, how are we free? But I digress.)
But you are right, I should ask what your views are before responding. What are your views?
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 God being that which He is does not entail me not having the ability to make decisions. In short there is no sense in speaking of God controlling me in this way.
TogetherForPeace 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace
I don't understand. Do you believe god has infinite knowledge?
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 I'm not one for extended discussion in the comments. I've made my points that relate to your video. Should you care to clarify your points in a way that is well thought out and reasoned I'd certainly watch it.
TogetherForPeace 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace
I guess you are too busy to respond - but if you have the time, I am quite interested what your views are.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 Lastly there's a problem of consistency. Assuming these two interpretations are correct then tell me how would you be any more or less controlled by God than me?
TogetherForPeace 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace
I don't think the monotheistic, all-knowing, all powerful god probably exists.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 where did you get that shirt? does it say "science, it works bitches"? i cant read it completely
patrickledford420 1 year ago
@patrickledford420
Yup, it says exactly that, and I got it from XKCD.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 I want it lol
ccofmight 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace
Forgive me but I may sense a red herring. Limitation is indeed apropos for development, but the assertion made is that a worldview with the belief in a manipulative god serves to invoke captivity -- an absolute, impeding limitation that stagnates the mind. A purposeful being is indeed fundamentally grounded in vicissitude, but the lack of belief in a manipulative god serves the human condition more sufficiently. It's not a judgment on your non-manipulative conception of God.
xXSceilusXx 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace "I'm not sure what your concept of freedom is..." Freedom from biblical interdictions and commands.
"On what grounds do you assert that your philosophy is somehow more beneficial...?" On the grounds that it deals with actual, living human beings, who have to decide, individually and collectively, how to organize our society, so that life becomes better, without being told how by old texts or present day people who interpret those text their own way.
dewinthemorning 1 year ago 4
@TogetherForPeace Uhh... do you follow God's rule to your best ability in order to avoid hell? If sso, then you, once again, thought wrong.
Akelz77 1 year ago
I'm glad I don't have that evolutionary baggage. If I was to be satisfied with being "one with the group" I'd probably cease to exist ^_^
PinkProgram 1 year ago
I see a Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots record by the Flaming Lips. Good album. Haha. :D
BokuWaJShi 1 year ago 2
@BokuWaJShi
I love that album to death. The vinyl is transparent red to boot. Soo awesome.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@BokuWaJShi THANK YOU for remarking that! It made me look it up and give it a listen, and it's awesome! =)
TheShortStory 1 year ago
but we do have an objective purpose; this authoritative figure is our evolutionary baggage, that drives most of what we do (our wants and needs, our motivations); and our higher purpose is to pass on our genes, which means we are valueless on an individual basis, discardable;
we are not free, we are not blank slates, we are walking talking reproductive organs
eyhexs 1 year ago
@eyhexs We don't have to pass on our genes; the universe doesn't give a shit whether we commit suicide, masturbate, reproduce, eat cake, brush our teeth with Batman toothbrushes, or whatever.
ObsidianTeen 1 year ago
Another great video, thanks man.
giallomadman 1 year ago
Yet another insightful and well-said challenge to the intellectual honesty of theists. Fav'd for sure!
ShwaNerd 1 year ago
Excellent video. Your thoughts at the end highlight existentialism. We are free and there is no god. Everything is permitted. Another excerpt from my essay: "It [the fact that there is no objective meaning] makes Man more independent; instead of having a predetermined meaning to our life before we are born, we get to decide our own meaning. Man is alone. As existentialism puts it, 'Man is condemned to be free.'"
ObsidianTeen 1 year ago
(cont...)
"...A god that sends people to Hell (or created a Hell, or does a poor job warning people of Hell (which is evident from the fact that there are atheists in the world and that there is little or no evidence, and even if there is evidence, not everyone has access to it)) is not worthy of worship."
ObsidianTeen 1 year ago
Excerpt from my essay "Leaving God Behind":
"I don’t want God to exist. I’m glad I’m not being constantly watched and that I’m free to pursue my own interests. If the god of Christianity or Islam were real, that would be a negative thing in my opinion. If either of those religions is true, then the majority of people will spend eternity in hell. I despise the doctrine of Hell. I think it is the most evil concept ever invented by men to control people...(...cont)
ObsidianTeen 1 year ago