@2sokrat, it's funny how Imathia has rich Macedonian heritage, but nowhere in Vardarska will we find traditions dating back to ancient times. Of course i am sure your pseudo-scholars are already working on this problem. Soon it will be revealed in Skopje that the way Tsar Samuil ate soup was an ancient Macedonian tradition dating to Philip II
yanitsaros !! YOUR NAME SAYS IT ALL YOU ARE NOT A GREEK
JANICHARI >> YOU ARE SOMETHING OF ONE'S FAMILY THAT WAS TAKEN BACK TO TURKY THEN RELEASED BACK INTO TODAYS GREECE TO KILL HIS OWN PEOPLE !! .......
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU GYPSIES FROM THIS NEW COUNTRY CALLED GREECE AS OF 1820 , WHEN SOMEONE SAYD THEY ARE MACEDONIAN YOU INSTANTLY THINK OF THE REGION "VARDAR " , WHY IS THAT ??? BEFORE THE MACEDONIANS WERE DIVIDED IN 1913 THEY WERE ONE PEOPLE ONE COUNTRY YOU IDIOTS !
very similar dress code with macednian women from western macedonia Mijac region,,,,,that's mean that we are Macedonians not greeks,,, stoop former turkish province of HellAss stoling our history. !!!
The women in Macedonia enjoyed almost same privileges as in Illyria and Epirus. But I'd like to ask something about helmet of Macedonian women in today Imathia region. Is it true that some Vlachs still have some folk dances when women appears with such helmet?
@Yanitsaros the Macedonians always saw themselves as Macedonians, however the Greeks refered to them as barbarians. They were not invited to participate at the Greek Olympic Games so they created their own. This is according to the ancient historians including the ancient Greek historians.
@TheMakGreat are you on drugs?Macedonians participated in Olympic Games!There weren't "greek" olympic games!Where the hell have read that???Athenians refered to them as Barbarians sometimes because of some of their customs.Sometimes barbarians were called and some races in Peloponnese!That makes them nonGreeks???You know a thing of Greek history.Please don't say bull....
@TheMakGreat Oh realy?First of all in Olympic games could participate only those that they could prove that they have greek blood!And history shows Alexander the A to participate in Olympic Games at 460 bc and many many after him,also Philip B the father of Alexander the Great!!!Macedonia have hard cross roads that's why they didnt have many relationships with others!Also the others called themselves with their name's like We Athinian's and We Spartan's,tha doesnt mean that they wasn't greek!
Macedonians were not allowed to compete in the Olympics till Alexander I helped the Greeks defeat the Persians at Platea during the Graeco-Persian war 499-449 BC. Then the Macedonians had been allowed to compete. The Hellenistic culture had went beyond the Greeks such as the Illyrians, who adopted Drachmas, Mollosians, who founded Epirus, the Thracians, who adopted Greek armor, and Macedonia, who adopted the culture as a whole.
uhh...not really throughout the macedonian wars Greenland's military was called on for support. They sent massive amounts of troops to heed the call. This is the only reason why Macedonian women wear helmets ... to honor their great saviors the Greenland Phalanx
You have your history wrong sir, it was the Greenlandic military that had launched its seaborne invasion of Thrace, only to be stopped by the Macedonians. The Macedonian men had joined the Spartans in the blitz of London, so the women had to hold them off, with their successful phalanx formation, and iron weapons. That is why Macedonian Women wear helmets.
Listen i didnt graduate from the university of GreenWaldo , Greenland for nothing . The Blitz of London had nothing to do with the spartans .... The Siberian Special forces caused the blitz of london . But i guess you can say that does tie into macedonia . Considering the siberians were good allies with them . But after the blitz of london , Greenland invaded barbossa and moved through the northern Frostlands of Fereldan. they then crushed siberia only to become macedonia's ally
I would have to agree with most of that. Maria of Macedon had signed the treaty of Athens with the Greenlandic King, in order to secure an alliance in the coming invasion of Sicily, controlled by the City State of Barfondo. Now, going back a hundred years before, you would find that the Barfondos achieved power in Sicily through the Sack of Pesci, in which 50,000 Barfondo Hoplites overwhelmed the numerically inferior Pescians, aided by the Greenlandic legions.
@Apeforce1 That is half true. The barfondos never really truly achieved power through just the sack of pesci . Queen Gotem of the western lands near Milan was what really brought the Pescians to their knees and the Barfondos to ultimate power. When the queen and the king of Barfondo united under one sovereign flag of Barfondo there was unity and through this it influenced outsiders to join their coalition , including the greendlandic legions . and then so rised " King - Gotem- Barfondo
Ah! I can tell you really know your History of Sicily during the Copper Age. Regardless of Serbian intervention in the South Pacific against the Siamese though, I firmly believe that the alliance between Greenland and Macedon was bound to happen. There is no doubt that the bloodline between the Barfondo family, and the Royal Greenlandic Gagas, was tainted by several affairs with germanic warlords of northsoutheast Luxembourg, this would obviously cause a rift in the family lineage.
@Apeforce1 Well to be honest with you . The Barfondo Gaga Coalition having a rival of Germanic tribes was actually just a bedtime story told by the Elders of the Barfondos. It has not been proven to this day that those battles ever even happened. On that note your whole argument of facing the taint of a germanic invasion is just not valid . Anyone knows that the Barfondos downfall was indeed caused by " The Saad of The Eastern Barrens" and if you do not know this you are ill informed.
Well actually, archaeological evidence found in 2008, conducted by a joint Scottish-Mexican expedition uncovered trace remains of what appeared to be ceremonial grounds, associated with Germanic weddings. Bone, and semen samples collected matched those of Barfondo ethnicity, as well as Germanic 'Jagers'. Studies are still being conducted, but at least this provides some light on what was once considered myth. Now, if one were to consider that the Barfondos had some Germanic Blood?....
@Apeforce1 a scottish- mexican expedition would never happen. Semen samples would be long gone . Reasons being ... scots hate mexicans, and theres a type of bug called a " Sperm Ant " it relishes the chance to get a good sample of the creamy stuff . So with that said your semen theory is out of the water. But maybe im wrong because Sperm ants were wiped out during the copper age . But theres a small time window of when the germanic tribes were said to arrive and when the sperm ants died out.
You misunderstand me. The semen was partially petrified through mineral absorption over a span of several thousand years. Carbon dating of the extracted DNA was able to link the samples, to known artifacts of Germanic, and Barfondo individuals, whose remains exist in the Smithsonian. The sperm ants were indeed induced to dormancy by the Bubonic Plague, but studies have proven their existence today, though in a more, docile form. The Barfondos did indeed interbreed with Germanics.
@Apeforce1 you are so just....wrong. There was never any breeding there was never any LIVING. When the sperm ants died at the end of the copper age ...they took us with them..in a final strike against the humans. This is what you dont understand. You know what killed the dinosaurs?"The Spermer Rebellion " history books dnt tell you about " The second Extinction " The extinction of man. We are the second type of humans to walk this earth . Copper age humans were incredibly different.
My friend, you are venturing into an area known as 'Fringe Science'. The Dinosaurs were wiped out in a massive impact event, somewhere near the Yucatan peninsula. The idea of the 'Spermers' is hardly concrete. Evidence found in Roswell in 1947 shows signs that the 'Spermers' were destroyed when their ship collided with a weather balloon. Copper Age humans did indeed have larger genitalia, but the fact remains that they evolved into modern day man, rather than being wiped out.
@Apeforce1 Oh yes ? where is your evidence lets see it , mr . Farley University graduate . Yeah thats right i did an in depth research on you . You are not even a real historian you graduated as a janitor. This whole conversation has been pulled out of your arse ! its complete bollocks. However some of your facts were correct which makes me curious...as to wether you are something more than a janitor...maybe...something more than a man...
Your right, I did graduate from Farley as a Janitor, but that was after I graduated from Lunar Academy with a PhD in Copper Age History. As for your second statement, i will admit that I am not a man. I lost my body in a rollover car accident, and I was forced to download my consciousness into a digital holographic program. And yes, I am self conscious about it. Fortunately, I will remain forever young. I will be able to donate an eternity to the study of the Copper Age.
@redx106 I worked in Greenland and even visited an air force base with U.S. bombers. From my experience, Canada (with the help of the U.S.A.) will defeat Greenland in 24 hourse. The Canadian flag will be waiving in Nuuk. Regards.
is true that they have fought against illirians to take lands where to live . They have come at 7 Century AC.Was called barbarians becasue hadnt an homeland.
They followed Macedonian soldiers,everywhere they go.Example is traditional costume of Kalleshy people in northern pakistan.They descendants of Alexander the Great.Kaleshy women wear some sort of helmet...
Alexander the Great, or Macedonski, was son of Philip.
Now Macedonia as such was not regarded as Greek by Greeks of his time.
It was noted that his father (Philip) had a real hard time to gain control over greece
One Important point. The Military formations and equipment is a briliant indicator of the shared culture. And Macedons used totally different equipment, tactics and combat formations to greeks. like pottery or burial.
Alexander was Hellenized by his father to enable him to rule Greece
Look from other point of viw, first Rome was gone, greeks build second Rome, this was gone to when turks destroyed the empire (maybe becouse of greeks sins God destroyed the empire like He did in past with Israel and Judah kingdoms) and then slavs rise with God`s will and build 3 th Rome (wich now is gone to). Is just a point of view.
FYROM refair in their messages to alexander the great as "alexandar makedonski" , do you now any nation that calls its heroes with their nationality atached???? for the french is "napoleon the great" not napoleon the french , the reason they refair to him like that is for the simple fact that he always belonged to a diferend nation and culture than theirs , alexander was not a member of a slavic population like them ,he was a greek and he is known everywere as alexander the great .
@audy8000 swstos de to eixa skeftei para thn entonh enasxolisi me to thema...sunexeia lene to "makedonski" mipos kai pistepsoun oti einai allo ethnos..
You mean ordinary peasant people would say they are "Romans" out of "authority"?
"Romanoi" became a common name for many different ethnic groups,while the previous separation in terms of langiage,tribe,religion became much less important,bcause all started to share same religion,same country,same legal sistem,same land,etc etc...In time,the term started to prevail over the previous (ethnic) identifications,who were diminished to mean something as simple as language,or a place of origin.
Macedonia was not latin, vlachs come there from north and they were not majority in Macedonia, greeks and slavs were also there so is not right to say that macedonia was latin.
Again,everything you said is wrong,because you're basic premise is wrong.
Look in the definition of "slavs"
Mcedonians are ethnoneneticaly as dfferent from russians as they are different from germans,or english.
on the other hand,today's greek macedonians,provided they mostly came from turkey and were orthodox speaking turks in fact,have lots and lots of resemblance in cultural customs and facial features with some of today's turkish people.
Funny how i only met one or two out of all the thousands of macedonians.
When you say "Slav",it really means "slavophonic",just so to let you know.
As for culture thing,it is all very very wrong.
You have no idea what you're talking about,but keep copy-pasting!
Just like Greeks could be "Romans","Latins",and you have some reasons for it (which are wrong),the term Bulgarian came to change from an Asian ethnicity to become a synonimous for a slavophnic person
so according to your pure race theory,slavs came,and basicaly,for 1500 years,they just looked over each other shoulders with the "pure blooded really really very very greek real macedonians"...and that is how we came to have this issue today.
Ancient and bisantine Macedonians are two difefrent things as well,but you can not see that from the glasses of "greatness" and "purebloodness" that you like to cary.
there are many macedonians in bulgaria too,and they,like Greece try everythinbg to deny them basic minority and human rights by inventing logics that do not really fly with any international conventions about inalinable human right of self-determination that these countries have signed.
bulgaria has payed Strazbout court punishments for not allowing Macedonian political parties to register and go to elections.
Exactly...and on those maps you do not see Serbia,or Croatia either,because in the days of early yugoslavia there was the attempt to split the country not in sovreign republics,but in regions--banovinas,according to the rivers.
It doesn't mean there were no Serbs,Croats,or Macedonians!
you own government reckognised the Macedonians as a minority and publushed them a book in 1924.
It was a failed attempt to homogenise the new country by erasing borders.
another silly thing you say,is the "Paeonia" argument.
Paeonia?
Last time anyone heard of Paeonia was when Philip erased it from the ground,conquered it,and made it Macedonia--that is how today,th north is called-Macedonia too,all the way up to what was once-Dardania.
++all the Bisantian games with teritories in the mean time..
Macedonia was there all along,as a part of Yugoslav federation.
Yugoslavia was a federation,much like EU is today,of sovreign republics who had its own language and culture,and who were ethnicaly different then the other ones.
Again,check your geography books--it is not only Pelagonia,it is the whole region of Rep. of Macedonia that greece didn't had a slightest problem to call it Makedonia.
Same goes for anyone reading this---go and ask around any place in the Greek Macedonia--any place,if they are native to the place,or immigrants from Bulgaria and Turkey.
Chances are,8-9 out of 10 people to respond,that if they are not slavophonic,they are immigrants,not native to Macedonia-dopia, like we are.
nono...it's nonsense for turkophonic prosfigas to claim that they are somehow more "ancient" macedonians than the slavophonic macedonians who are descendants of the native macedonians and the slavs who came there 1500 years ago.
hehe,languages..bulgarian came to be a synonimous for slavic langiages because they were the earliest to establish a state,in which slavs came to eventualy dominate.
originaly bulgarians had nothing to do with slavs--they came to be slavicised because of the slavic propensity to melt and establish relations trough intermarraige.
that same phenomena happened all around,and you anthropologist dienekes ,if im not wrong has spoken about that.
you have bretania and great britain,ou have luxembourg in belgium,and luxembourg as a state.
why?
because it is normal to distinguish an independent state from a REGION within a state.
all of this goes much deeply than it appears to be--it goes straight into the greek national myths about how modern greeks who come from many ethnicaly different backgrounds came to be homogenised into a nationhood by using the religion and history.
finaly,when you said that greek speaking population dominated macedonia,that is actualy wrong.
by far,the slavonic speaking population dominated macedonia,and the report you are mentioning are quite wrong,because they were based on the church jusrisdictions,not "ethnic or linguistic" affiliations.
you belong to bulgarian or greek church----you are bulgarian or greek macedonian,corespondingly.
there are many macedonians in bulgaria too--for them like with the immigrant now commer asia minor greeks,macedonian came equal a strong regional belonging,not ethnic.
Just people that belong to the same linguisic group,like Spanish and romanians belong to the Latin group of languages.
When slavophonic tribes came to Macedonia,in the course of 1500 years they mixed with the natives populations,while the language retained to be slavonic--hence,modern Macedonians are mixed.
The Greeks in that region are mostly immigrants and settlers from Asian minor,or bulgaria.
Thanks for this video! I work with a lot of Macedonians (as in FYROM) and many have Hellenic names (like "Ellada," or "Aspasia") and they look thoroughly Greek. When I first met them, and learned their names I said, "Oh, you're Greek!" And they said, No, we're Macedonian. So surely the population of FYROM is mixed because of wars and like so many cut-up little kingdoms, they want to claim the history of those who once lived there?
Macedonians call their country Republic of Macedonia,not "FYROM".
It is an insulting derogatory word for us.
All the Macedonians you met there,yes,we look southern-europeian,and speak a langiage that belongs to the slavonic group of languages-modern Macedonian.
Many of those people are outright refugees from Greece,having lands confiscated,or not alowed to go back o the Greek party of Macedonia after the greeks took it and repopulated it with the reffugees.
2 If Macedonians of slavic ancestry feel like a sons of macedon and do not shame this memory then why bother for this argument.
3 Another point on genom and ethnicity.
Look how Greek offspring of Alexander the Great look like because these people are more closely related to the Greeks as we like to remember then of those today and compare this look to yorself and the rest of the nation.
lol im glad you looked up what the historical fact was about slavonic slavanik meaning that which is a vulgate tongue it does not concern languages of foriegn slav ppl like slavakian 6th cent from that time yes macedonians spoke 2languages Koine and slavonic there comon tongue do i get an Amen! amen so did the whole world lol egypt lybia mesopetamia isreal italy it doent change anything ur stated to get it this falsehoods of yours is starting to bite you need to balence ur story both side wrong
No They didnt need re-christianisation they were already christians they the macedonians went out to slovakia and the slavs and gave them the gospel and alphabet and culture whilse this was happening since the 3rd century by the 6 century the macedonians deolect formed by the 7th century according to micheall the byzantine emperor all thesaloniki spoke perfect Slavonic wich means common tongue now today we have the modern macedonians they have been influenced by slavs and slavs have been by them
Myths are Good but come off it hericles and stuff? its important not to mix fact and fiction it will end up looking like the macedonian divinchi code.... did you know macedonians were the first christians in europe they had there own autocephulous church based on evangelisation they were very charismatic and had a heart for giving and charity did you know not until recently greece and serbia have thought to destroy the macedonian church and serbia has sought to consume it into there own dioces
such a tradgedy to saint ceril and methodius they would turn in there graves did you also know greece was in a state of ex-comunication for 20 years for there false establishment of there church in violation with the patriarch of constantinople now these ex-comunicates neo-nationalist have fixed the church and persecute the macedonians burn the churches down and change the names of macedonian saints ect what an insult to God macedonian is part of church history and ther blood crys form thearth
what a twisting of truth st ceril were macedonian they and the macedonians evagelised the rest of the slavs the macedonians are the mother to the slavs thats why they have so much in common with slavs because they influenced them so much from language to alphabets ect over time there may have been a bit of mixin this happend with them egyptians to that just part of history mate now today macedonians are the product of evolution over many thosands of years today they are what they are put up with
your as proud and wrong as they can get you would even disregard the ethnic Macedonians of Greece shame on you your worse than a turk not even did they do this children of ataturk were dignified now Dorian was a trend like emos are today the doric trend is over so is the archaek trend part of ancient history today we have moodern greeks of atika we have cypriots we have carpathians we have kytherians we have pontians we have thracians and the Largest group of all and the most persecuted
group are the Ethnic Macedonians these poor souls were raped tortured hung staved and burnt all at the hands of not the muslims or the turks but by the extreem left wing Neo-Greek nationalist who were the coarse of all the problims of greece today these creatures were most probably part of the new world order sytem to conqure and divide macedonia was a perfact place to coarse ww1 and the balkan war and the dehellenisation of orthodox christian culture macedonia was the melting pot of the devil
Macedonia was divided into 4 parts 600 thousand were exiled to bulgaria thousands in greece were burned and slaughtered villiges were burnt down all the surnames of macedonians were changes to greek ones all byzantine saints were wiped out of orthodoxy church papers were burnt priest fired neo national greek schools set up in Agean Macedonia neo greek soldiers say that the slagter of the macdonians they called them vulgaros was worse than in the times of christ thats how bad it was shame on u
You better not of regarded this comment to me because I speak on behalf of hellas not yugoslavia... however dont get excited for i do not speak on behalf of the neo-greek nationalist they are absolutly wrong for what they did to the peoples and ethnicity of the ethnic Macedonians they are a distinct people that was an acient Kingdome this separates it from the rest of Hellas that were governed by city states macedonia is unique in this sence
Macedonian woman wear helmets becose Macedonian woman was respected even in Ancient time and the woman have all rights(to buy to sell to have property,to be Queen like Kleopatra was),and in Grekia woman was juvenile with no rights!
Macedonians end Hellens are diferent like horse and monkey!
Lol no we dont we speak Greek and I speak English like i said All the Helenomacedonians Egeece' Macedonians were either genosided killed murdered traded exiled and betreyed imergrated to Australia amf other places and the ones that remained in macedonia were assimilated and cunsumed into the modern greek state 1914 under the beucharist treaty half of macedon went to serbia they renamed that area vardaska and the other half remained in Greece alot millions were made go to bulgaria
Greece being a colnial people betrayed macedonia people they wanted them wiped off the map when i say greek i mean everything that isnt greek because the greeks arnt greek macedonians are actially more greek than the greeks the greeks of today are more realted to armenians the pontians of turky turky decided that all greek and non muslims must go to the new state of greece most of them went to macedonia istead of being gratefull the resisted the ethnic macedonians o the region thus modern
greece needed a unerversal languge because there was so manu diolects pontian vlacjian egeece slovaphine macedonian cypriota ect carpothian what was the sulotion a rendered modern greek of the attika athens people of classic times this was succefull in the assimilation of the macedonians what happened the greeks went overboard and turned on the macedonians and they fail to recognise us as a people they recognise the muslims 1 percent why dont they regognise us? you are traitors worse than turks
it might be understandable not to regognise fyrom not untill recently you never regognised ethnic macedonians of greece shame on you shame on you greeks who claim to be macedonian as well whart ever city state you belong to keep it but dont take our heritage and history by virtue greece belongs to macedonian not vice versa SAY NO TO VULGARO SAY NO TO FYROM WE ARE MACEDONIAN VIVA MAKEDONIA
we r greek by virtue we are macedonian we have our own History and language they neo-greek nationist split macedonia into 4 parts and made us got to greek school and we were faorbade to speak macedonia and our surnames were changed to modern greek ones and all our villiges names were changes to
Greek propaganda. Most of the verbiage in their essay dealt with issues of Ancient Macedonia and why it belongs to the Greeks and not the Slavs. In spite of their insulting approach, I felt obliged to respond with my own arguments. After producing hundreds of pages of counter arguments the only reward I received for my effort was ridicule and more derogatory comments.
It's a fake map, it' only the Aegean part of Macedonia. It's though to be united with our Vardar part of Macedonia, the Republic of Macedonia and the Pirin part of Macedonia. MACEDONIA for the MACEDONIANS!!!
Και εγώ έτσι νομίζω ότι ήταν ο Αμύντας.Βέβαια οι ντοπιοί Ρουμλουκιώτες αρέσκονται να λένε ότι ήταν ο Αλέξανδρος για προφανείς λόγους.Οι Ρουμλουκιώτισσες αγαπούσαν τόσο το κατσούλι τους που αρνιόνταν ακόμα και στον ύπνο να το βγάλουν.Αν και αμόρφωτες ασύνειδητα καταλάβαιναν ότι το κατσούλι ήταν αυτό που τις ξεχώριζε από τους Τούρκους και έδειχνε την ελληνική τους καταγωγή καθώς και τις πραγματικές τους ρίζες που έφταναν στην Αρχαία Μακεδονία του Αλεξάνδρου και του Φιλίππου.
Πραγματικά υπέροχο βίντεο με συγκλονιστική μουσική!Είμαι από το Ρουμλούκι(Ελληνότοπο),περιοχή γύρω από την Αλεξάνδρεια Ημαθίας.Ο κεφαλόδεσμος της στολής αυτής,που μοιάζει με περικεφαλαία,ονομάζεται κατσούλι και είναι σημάδι ελληνικής καταγωγής.Είμαι περήφανη που οι γυναίκες πρόγονοι μου το φορούσαν.Ο θρύλος λέει ότι ο ίδιος ο Μέγα Αλέξανδρος ζήτησε από τους άνδρες να δώσουν την περικεφαλαία τους στις γυναίκες για να τις τιμήσουν για την γενναιότητα τους σε μία μάχη,που παραλίγο να χανόταν.
they were cousins yes absolutely but no the same people.just like they were diferent from greeks.you have part of maceodnia today in modern greece but that doesnt make macedonia greece because you assimilated the people inside your border just like all other minorities to create a false sense of reality.which of course you know very well but it doesnt suit you to accept it.
THE SLAVS CAME TO BE AS A NAME AFTER THE CREATION OF ( THE CYRILIC MACEDONIAN ALPHABET ) NOT A PEOPLE YOU IDIOT !! SLAVS MEANS WORSHIPERS !! UNDERSTAND YOU STUPID GREEK THIS SHIRTS ?? SPEAK ABOUT YOUR GREEK PEOPLE NOT US MACEDONIANS !!
THER IS LIKE 40 MILLION SLAVS , DID THEY JUST POP OUT OF NO WHERE ?? WE WHERE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN IN OUR MACEDONIAN LAND YOU STUPID ATHENIAN GYPSIES !! GREECE NEVER EXISTED BEFORE 1820 , AS IT NEVER HAD A NAME !!
read a book, get your facts and numbers straight, slavs did not officialy show up according to the vast majority of scholars, until around the 6th century with the huns, the thracians were there before, you're alphabet wes created by two greek brothers from thessaloniki, Methodios and Kyrilos
I'm not gypsy and definelty not athenian, I'm from the region of Voion Kozanis, pull you head out of your ass
The area that this specific costume comes from is called Roumlouki.
To the best of my knowledge, legend has it, that Alexander himself honored the bravery of the women from that region, for helping him win a battle, by giving them the helmet as part of their costume (thus making them equal to the men).
maso pride from alexander the great to mother teresa. The country of legends
UrMumStinksLike 1 month ago
OK but first picture is of Alexandrian Egyptian
IanHunedoara8 4 months ago
Your women fuck Macedonian wariors, sorry:)))!!!
2sokrat 4 months ago
@2sokrat, it's funny how Imathia has rich Macedonian heritage, but nowhere in Vardarska will we find traditions dating back to ancient times. Of course i am sure your pseudo-scholars are already working on this problem. Soon it will be revealed in Skopje that the way Tsar Samuil ate soup was an ancient Macedonian tradition dating to Philip II
Yanitsaros 4 months ago
πολύ ωραίο βίντεο και να το βλέπουν μερικοί μερικοί που εσκεμένα μας κλέβουν την ιστορία....
HellenicGreekBeauty 6 months ago
0:11
picture from Icewind Dale
xardas411 6 months ago
ΘΑ ΣΑΣ ΠΑΡΩ ΤΑ ΚΕΦΑΛΙΑ ΟΛΟΥΣ ΡΕ ΠΟΥΣΤΑΡΑΔΕΣ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΙ ΠΟΥ ΤΟΛΜΑΤΕ ΝΑ ΟΙΚΙΟΠΟΙΗΣΤΕ ΤΟ ΑΙΜΑ ΜΟΥ...ΓΑΜΩ ΤΑ ΙΕΡΑ ΣΑΣ ΠΟΥΣΤΗΔΕΣ ΑΠΟ ΚΟΥΝΙΑ!!!!!
NIKOSTRATOS1000 9 months ago 2
yanitsaros !! YOUR NAME SAYS IT ALL YOU ARE NOT A GREEK
JANICHARI >> YOU ARE SOMETHING OF ONE'S FAMILY THAT WAS TAKEN BACK TO TURKY THEN RELEASED BACK INTO TODAYS GREECE TO KILL HIS OWN PEOPLE !! .......
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU GYPSIES FROM THIS NEW COUNTRY CALLED GREECE AS OF 1820 , WHEN SOMEONE SAYD THEY ARE MACEDONIAN YOU INSTANTLY THINK OF THE REGION "VARDAR " , WHY IS THAT ??? BEFORE THE MACEDONIANS WERE DIVIDED IN 1913 THEY WERE ONE PEOPLE ONE COUNTRY YOU IDIOTS !
JANDAR69 9 months ago
@Yanitsaros euhmmm what kinda bulshit is that lol
Guidemysoulallah 9 months ago
very similar dress code with macednian women from western macedonia Mijac region,,,,,that's mean that we are Macedonians not greeks,,, stoop former turkish province of HellAss stoling our history. !!!
ssMarjanZlatevski 11 months ago
@ssMarjanZlatevski
So let me guess, you eat rice don't you? does this means you are chinese?
you have money with which you buy and/or sell things, does this means you are chinese?
you drive a car, does this means you are german?
you are drinking coffee does this means you are brazilian?
scottish people wear kilts similar to the ones in balkans used to be weared by greeks and albanians mostly
does this means scottish are albanians or greeks??
The answer to all of these is ------- NO!
TheLolizzZ 7 months ago
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MACEDONIANS ARE GREEKS
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@Yanitsaros
Just tell me one macedonian name that has greek roots except Philip?
Kurnazipola 1 year ago
@Kurnazipola
ALL OF THEM!
1)Αλεξανδρος. αλεξειν(protect)+ ανδρας(man). means protector of men.
2)αμυντας. means defender. from the greek word αμυνα=defence
3)κρατερός.means strong, powerful
4)θεσσαλονικη. θεσσαλών + νίκη.means victory(νίκη) against thessalians
5)μακεδών.macedonian. means tall. from the greek word μακος(length)
6)νέαρχος. means new ruller. νεα(new) αρχη(rule). αρχη also mean "beggining".
7)αρχέλαος.αρχη(rule)+λαος(people).means the ryler of people.
8)κάσσανδρος.means shining man
kryptia1980 1 year ago
@Kurnazipola
κεκασμαι(to shine)+ ανδρας(man)
9)λυσίμαχος. λυσι(solution)+ μαχη(battle). means the man who solve(ends) the battle
10)αντιγονος. αντι(instead)+γονος(descendant)
there is not even ONE ancient macedonian name, that isnt Greek. because macedonians we are Greeks
kryptia1980 1 year ago
@Kurnazipola Analysis of the meaning of names of the most famous Macedon kings
*Amyntas=>from the greek verb "amino"=defend =>Amyntas= the defenderer
*Arhelaos= from the greek verbs arho (rule)+laos(people)=>Arhelaos=ruler of the people
*Alketas= from the greek word "alki" (strength)=>Alketas = The strong one
*Alexander= from the greek words alexo(protect)+anir(man)=>Alexander = protector of men
*Arridaios from the greek words "ari"(very)+daios(frightening)=>Arridaios=the Very frightening
harlemcore13 10 months ago
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@Kurnazipola Analysis of the meaning of names of the most famous Macedon kings
*Orestis = from the greek word oros (mountain)=>Orestis = Man of the mountains
*Perseus = from the greek verb "pertho"(conquer)=>Perseus=The conquerer
*Philipp = from the greek words "philo"(love)+ippos(horse)=>Philipp=Who loves horses, friend of horses
*Kassander = from the greek words "kessamai"(sparkle upon)+anir(man) => Kassander=The sparkle upon men
harlemcore13 10 months ago
@Kurnazipola Analysis of the meaning of names of the most famous Macedon kings (continuation)
*Antipatros= from the greek words "anti (copy)+patir(father)=>Antipatros= Copy of his father
Are you satisfied enough or you want more?
harlemcore13 10 months ago
The women in Macedonia enjoyed almost same privileges as in Illyria and Epirus. But I'd like to ask something about helmet of Macedonian women in today Imathia region. Is it true that some Vlachs still have some folk dances when women appears with such helmet?
Emathian 1 year ago
@Yanitsaros the Macedonians always saw themselves as Macedonians, however the Greeks refered to them as barbarians. They were not invited to participate at the Greek Olympic Games so they created their own. This is according to the ancient historians including the ancient Greek historians.
TheMakGreat 1 year ago
@TheMakGreat are you on drugs?Macedonians participated in Olympic Games!There weren't "greek" olympic games!Where the hell have read that???Athenians refered to them as Barbarians sometimes because of some of their customs.Sometimes barbarians were called and some races in Peloponnese!That makes them nonGreeks???You know a thing of Greek history.Please don't say bull....
PoseidonGRE 1 year ago
@TheMakGreat Oh realy?First of all in Olympic games could participate only those that they could prove that they have greek blood!And history shows Alexander the A to participate in Olympic Games at 460 bc and many many after him,also Philip B the father of Alexander the Great!!!Macedonia have hard cross roads that's why they didnt have many relationships with others!Also the others called themselves with their name's like We Athinian's and We Spartan's,tha doesnt mean that they wasn't greek!
GiannioG 1 year ago
@Yanitsaros
Macedonians were not allowed to compete in the Olympics till Alexander I helped the Greeks defeat the Persians at Platea during the Graeco-Persian war 499-449 BC. Then the Macedonians had been allowed to compete. The Hellenistic culture had went beyond the Greeks such as the Illyrians, who adopted Drachmas, Mollosians, who founded Epirus, the Thracians, who adopted Greek armor, and Macedonia, who adopted the culture as a whole.
TheAwp45 1 year ago
@TheAwp45 in 499 didn't exist Hellenistic culture.Open a book!
PoseidonGRE 1 year ago
@PoseidonGRE
Um....Ok
TheAwp45 1 year ago
Yanitsare bravo gia ta video sou file mou.
Oute vrizeis oute tipota. Mesa apo thn gnwsh kai ton politismo pernas ta kalytera minimata1Bravo sou Ellhna mas kaneis perifanous me thn paideia sou.
Syggnwmh gia ta greeklish
Ksesikotheite 1 year ago
Greenland's Military are superior in every way . That is all.
redx106 1 year ago
@redx106
that is completely irrelevant
Apeforce1 1 year ago
@Apeforce1
uhh...not really throughout the macedonian wars Greenland's military was called on for support. They sent massive amounts of troops to heed the call. This is the only reason why Macedonian women wear helmets ... to honor their great saviors the Greenland Phalanx
redx106 1 year ago
@redx106
You have your history wrong sir, it was the Greenlandic military that had launched its seaborne invasion of Thrace, only to be stopped by the Macedonians. The Macedonian men had joined the Spartans in the blitz of London, so the women had to hold them off, with their successful phalanx formation, and iron weapons. That is why Macedonian Women wear helmets.
Apeforce1 1 year ago
@Apeforce1
Listen i didnt graduate from the university of GreenWaldo , Greenland for nothing . The Blitz of London had nothing to do with the spartans .... The Siberian Special forces caused the blitz of london . But i guess you can say that does tie into macedonia . Considering the siberians were good allies with them . But after the blitz of london , Greenland invaded barbossa and moved through the northern Frostlands of Fereldan. they then crushed siberia only to become macedonia's ally
redx106 1 year ago
@redx106
I would have to agree with most of that. Maria of Macedon had signed the treaty of Athens with the Greenlandic King, in order to secure an alliance in the coming invasion of Sicily, controlled by the City State of Barfondo. Now, going back a hundred years before, you would find that the Barfondos achieved power in Sicily through the Sack of Pesci, in which 50,000 Barfondo Hoplites overwhelmed the numerically inferior Pescians, aided by the Greenlandic legions.
Apeforce1 1 year ago
@Apeforce1 That is half true. The barfondos never really truly achieved power through just the sack of pesci . Queen Gotem of the western lands near Milan was what really brought the Pescians to their knees and the Barfondos to ultimate power. When the queen and the king of Barfondo united under one sovereign flag of Barfondo there was unity and through this it influenced outsiders to join their coalition , including the greendlandic legions . and then so rised " King - Gotem- Barfondo
redx106 1 year ago
@redx106
Ah! I can tell you really know your History of Sicily during the Copper Age. Regardless of Serbian intervention in the South Pacific against the Siamese though, I firmly believe that the alliance between Greenland and Macedon was bound to happen. There is no doubt that the bloodline between the Barfondo family, and the Royal Greenlandic Gagas, was tainted by several affairs with germanic warlords of northsoutheast Luxembourg, this would obviously cause a rift in the family lineage.
Apeforce1 1 year ago
@Apeforce1 Well to be honest with you . The Barfondo Gaga Coalition having a rival of Germanic tribes was actually just a bedtime story told by the Elders of the Barfondos. It has not been proven to this day that those battles ever even happened. On that note your whole argument of facing the taint of a germanic invasion is just not valid . Anyone knows that the Barfondos downfall was indeed caused by " The Saad of The Eastern Barrens" and if you do not know this you are ill informed.
redx106 1 year ago
@redx106
Well actually, archaeological evidence found in 2008, conducted by a joint Scottish-Mexican expedition uncovered trace remains of what appeared to be ceremonial grounds, associated with Germanic weddings. Bone, and semen samples collected matched those of Barfondo ethnicity, as well as Germanic 'Jagers'. Studies are still being conducted, but at least this provides some light on what was once considered myth. Now, if one were to consider that the Barfondos had some Germanic Blood?....
Apeforce1 1 year ago
@Apeforce1 a scottish- mexican expedition would never happen. Semen samples would be long gone . Reasons being ... scots hate mexicans, and theres a type of bug called a " Sperm Ant " it relishes the chance to get a good sample of the creamy stuff . So with that said your semen theory is out of the water. But maybe im wrong because Sperm ants were wiped out during the copper age . But theres a small time window of when the germanic tribes were said to arrive and when the sperm ants died out.
redx106 1 year ago
@redx106
You misunderstand me. The semen was partially petrified through mineral absorption over a span of several thousand years. Carbon dating of the extracted DNA was able to link the samples, to known artifacts of Germanic, and Barfondo individuals, whose remains exist in the Smithsonian. The sperm ants were indeed induced to dormancy by the Bubonic Plague, but studies have proven their existence today, though in a more, docile form. The Barfondos did indeed interbreed with Germanics.
Apeforce1 1 year ago
@Apeforce1 you are so just....wrong. There was never any breeding there was never any LIVING. When the sperm ants died at the end of the copper age ...they took us with them..in a final strike against the humans. This is what you dont understand. You know what killed the dinosaurs?"The Spermer Rebellion " history books dnt tell you about " The second Extinction " The extinction of man. We are the second type of humans to walk this earth . Copper age humans were incredibly different.
redx106 1 year ago
@redx106
My friend, you are venturing into an area known as 'Fringe Science'. The Dinosaurs were wiped out in a massive impact event, somewhere near the Yucatan peninsula. The idea of the 'Spermers' is hardly concrete. Evidence found in Roswell in 1947 shows signs that the 'Spermers' were destroyed when their ship collided with a weather balloon. Copper Age humans did indeed have larger genitalia, but the fact remains that they evolved into modern day man, rather than being wiped out.
Apeforce1 1 year ago
@Apeforce1 Oh yes ? where is your evidence lets see it , mr . Farley University graduate . Yeah thats right i did an in depth research on you . You are not even a real historian you graduated as a janitor. This whole conversation has been pulled out of your arse ! its complete bollocks. However some of your facts were correct which makes me curious...as to wether you are something more than a janitor...maybe...something more than a man...
redx106 1 year ago
@redx106
Your right, I did graduate from Farley as a Janitor, but that was after I graduated from Lunar Academy with a PhD in Copper Age History. As for your second statement, i will admit that I am not a man. I lost my body in a rollover car accident, and I was forced to download my consciousness into a digital holographic program. And yes, I am self conscious about it. Fortunately, I will remain forever young. I will be able to donate an eternity to the study of the Copper Age.
Apeforce1 1 year ago
@Apeforce1 In conclusion , that is why Macedonian Women wear helmets. I am Doctor Robert Ruehl and this has been Tales from the Darkside.
redx106 1 year ago
@redx106
I concur
Dr. Shelly Windleheim signing off. And remember, look to the skies.
Apeforce1 1 year ago
@redx106 I worked in Greenland and even visited an air force base with U.S. bombers. From my experience, Canada (with the help of the U.S.A.) will defeat Greenland in 24 hourse. The Canadian flag will be waiving in Nuuk. Regards.
Tarapsa 1 year ago
Ow stfu about barbarians and asia...
We all descend from that and some DNA of you is the same as mine so stop making fun of your 25-60% ancestors!!
Albanian2Be 1 year ago
Just accept it MACEDONIANS ARE A MIX OF ILLYRIANS,GREEKS,THRACIANS,DACIANS,SLAVVS,GYPSIES,TURKS!!!
Albanian2Be 1 year ago
Rofl they took men from AAAALL OVER BALKAN!
ALL THOSE MEN GREEKS,MACEDONS (are a mix),Illyrians,Thracians,...
They took men from all these races and all made the Ottoman empire bigger becuz of theyr balkanic fighting technique and leadership!!
WE ARE ALL BROTHERS EXCEPT TURKS,SLAVVS,GYPSIES,...
WE STAND TOGETHER!!
Albanian2Be 1 year ago
is true that they have fought against illirians to take lands where to live . They have come at 7 Century AC.Was called barbarians becasue hadnt an homeland.
4Absolut 2 years ago
but greeks treated macedonians as barbarians
abhimanyu5 2 years ago
@abhimanyu5
Only SOME of the democratic athenians did. like demosthenes.learn proper history
kryptia1980 1 year ago
nice video. kewl dancers. nice music. but i still think macedonian is not greek
sunofmacedonia 2 years ago
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"It should be noted that there is no connection between the Macedonians
of the time of Alexander the Great who were related to other Hellenic tribes and the Macedonians of today,
who are of Slavic Origin and related to the Bulgarians."
(David H. Levinson, Encyclopaedia of World Cultures, p. 239)
I still KNOW that skops are Bulgarians and REAL macedonians are Greeks
PavlosDionysus 2 years ago 3
1)Amyntas 3 was persian
2)jeniTSari were murderes and traytors not proud warriors
spylia 2 years ago
imathia is arberor not slav.
bylysi 3 years ago
I like it! What kind of swords and armor are the modern women using? Do you train with them for self defense, like martial artists do?
WVAK47 3 years ago
Thank you mate. Great video.
Culminatr 3 years ago 7
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I was in Macedonia 2007.Airport Alexander the Great.Women in police uniform.Real Macedonian women,proudy and gorgeus...
Brandon,
vmbrandonslc 3 years ago
They followed Macedonian soldiers,everywhere they go.Example is traditional costume of Kalleshy people in northern pakistan.They descendants of Alexander the Great.Kaleshy women wear some sort of helmet...
vmbrandonslc 3 years ago
Alexander the Great, or Macedonski, was son of Philip.
Now Macedonia as such was not regarded as Greek by Greeks of his time.
It was noted that his father (Philip) had a real hard time to gain control over greece
One Important point. The Military formations and equipment is a briliant indicator of the shared culture. And Macedons used totally different equipment, tactics and combat formations to greeks. like pottery or burial.
Alexander was Hellenized by his father to enable him to rule Greece
0lafsky 3 years ago
Look from other point of viw, first Rome was gone, greeks build second Rome, this was gone to when turks destroyed the empire (maybe becouse of greeks sins God destroyed the empire like He did in past with Israel and Judah kingdoms) and then slavs rise with God`s will and build 3 th Rome (wich now is gone to). Is just a point of view.
Probyzantinum 3 years ago
FYROM refair in their messages to alexander the great as "alexandar makedonski" , do you now any nation that calls its heroes with their nationality atached???? for the french is "napoleon the great" not napoleon the french , the reason they refair to him like that is for the simple fact that he always belonged to a diferend nation and culture than theirs , alexander was not a member of a slavic population like them ,he was a greek and he is known everywere as alexander the great .
audy8000 3 years ago 2
@audy8000 swstos de to eixa skeftei para thn entonh enasxolisi me to thema...sunexeia lene to "makedonski" mipos kai pistepsoun oti einai allo ethnos..
Ksesikotheite 1 year ago
@audy8000
Of course Alexander wasn't Slavic
Of course he wasn't Greek
He was Macedonian.
Yes Macedonians today have Slavic blood in them as well as Greek blood but that doesn't mean they are not who they are.
TheAwp45 1 year ago
You mean ordinary peasant people would say they are "Romans" out of "authority"?
"Romanoi" became a common name for many different ethnic groups,while the previous separation in terms of langiage,tribe,religion became much less important,bcause all started to share same religion,same country,same legal sistem,same land,etc etc...In time,the term started to prevail over the previous (ethnic) identifications,who were diminished to mean something as simple as language,or a place of origin.
:)
angomako 3 years ago
wrong again,macedonians were latinised,check your data again.
Most of the things we find from that region is in---Latin.
Today's Vlachs come from severav different lines--;atinised native illirians,macedonians,greeks,and settlers from Valahia-Romania.
angomako 3 years ago
Macedonia was not latin, vlachs come there from north and they were not majority in Macedonia, greeks and slavs were also there so is not right to say that macedonia was latin.
Probyzantinum 3 years ago
Again,everything you said is wrong,because you're basic premise is wrong.
Look in the definition of "slavs"
Mcedonians are ethnoneneticaly as dfferent from russians as they are different from germans,or english.
on the other hand,today's greek macedonians,provided they mostly came from turkey and were orthodox speaking turks in fact,have lots and lots of resemblance in cultural customs and facial features with some of today's turkish people.
so much for your "pure blood" ideals.
angomako 3 years ago
"Many "slavs" from "Fyrom"".....
Funny how i only met one or two out of all the thousands of macedonians.
When you say "Slav",it really means "slavophonic",just so to let you know.
As for culture thing,it is all very very wrong.
You have no idea what you're talking about,but keep copy-pasting!
Just like Greeks could be "Romans","Latins",and you have some reasons for it (which are wrong),the term Bulgarian came to change from an Asian ethnicity to become a synonimous for a slavophnic person
angomako 3 years ago
Nice talking to you too:)
angomako 3 years ago
Haha...I don't really care about what Samuel has said.
Big deal.
Any "greek" emerors at the time?
They were all "Romanoi"...and you see how names can come and go?
Romans came to simbolise a cultural trait that was before ralated to "hellenism".
When slavs cam,Macedonians were--Romanised.
After that,a slow proces of slavisacion started,and lasted for centuries.
We ,today's ethnic Macedonians are the result,as well other nations in their own right.
angomako 3 years ago
haha...yanitsaros,in macedonia there are 2 million people,of which ethnic macedonians make 65-70%.
the rest is minority groups.
Bulgarians are there,but you are mixing Bulgarians and peopek who apply to bulgarian passports.
you know what was the demand for Bulgarian passporyts before they enterd EU?
Letme tell you--it was ZERO.
That is how much Macedonians have had a very lively and developed "bulgarian consciuesnes".
It is only done to get a passport,so one can travel.
angomako 3 years ago
i would apply for a Greek passport as well,whynot,I still have family there,but they are all--ancient Greeks:))
By default.Pure blooded!lol
angomako 3 years ago
so according to your pure race theory,slavs came,and basicaly,for 1500 years,they just looked over each other shoulders with the "pure blooded really really very very greek real macedonians"...and that is how we came to have this issue today.
tadaaa....:))
Funny..
angomako 3 years ago
Ancient and bisantine Macedonians are two difefrent things as well,but you can not see that from the glasses of "greatness" and "purebloodness" that you like to cary.
Same goes for today's Greeks.
angomako 3 years ago
Obviously,I do not agree:)
angomako 3 years ago
there are many macedonians in bulgaria too,and they,like Greece try everythinbg to deny them basic minority and human rights by inventing logics that do not really fly with any international conventions about inalinable human right of self-determination that these countries have signed.
bulgaria has payed Strazbout court punishments for not allowing Macedonian political parties to register and go to elections.
angomako 3 years ago
Just like Greeks,they are afraid of us--ethnic Macedonian,not because we are scary--we arefar to few as an ethnic group to endanger someone.
The fear is because our existance doesn't really fly with their national myths carefyly crafted with the goal to homogenise people together.
imagine in greece-albanophones,slavohones,vlachs...all suddenly wanting minority rights:)
angomako 3 years ago
Nooo...the refugees setteld everywhere where our grandparents were expelled from,and that was pretty much everywhere.
Again,do your own search,just travel around greek part of Macedonia,and ask people around.
If they are not dopia--slavophonic native Macedonians,chances are-they are new-settlers.
which is OK,they have all the rights to call then selves Macedonians--we as a state have never denied them that,how could we?
It's just that for them,it is regional,for us,it is ethnic.
angomako 3 years ago
Exactly...and on those maps you do not see Serbia,or Croatia either,because in the days of early yugoslavia there was the attempt to split the country not in sovreign republics,but in regions--banovinas,according to the rivers.
It doesn't mean there were no Serbs,Croats,or Macedonians!
you own government reckognised the Macedonians as a minority and publushed them a book in 1924.
It was a failed attempt to homogenise the new country by erasing borders.
angomako 3 years ago
So Croats and Serbs ar the same people to you?
The same "culture"?
Serbia was in Kosovo,Croatia was ona totaly different plane.
they are both slavicised populations,and Croats still try to figure out the origins for their names.
One of the theories is,that they are migrant tribes from Iran,that became slavicised.
This theory does have a merit,and it's worth pursuin,from anthropological point of view.
Serb probably have a bit different background.
angomako 3 years ago
another silly thing you say,is the "Paeonia" argument.
Paeonia?
Last time anyone heard of Paeonia was when Philip erased it from the ground,conquered it,and made it Macedonia--that is how today,th north is called-Macedonia too,all the way up to what was once-Dardania.
++all the Bisantian games with teritories in the mean time..
Same with Serbia and Kosovo.
angomako 3 years ago
We had that name all along,as your government said in the 1924 census,and as your geography books were teaching your chuldren up to 1980.
angomako 3 years ago
Wrong,totaly wrong.
Macedonia was there all along,as a part of Yugoslav federation.
Yugoslavia was a federation,much like EU is today,of sovreign republics who had its own language and culture,and who were ethnicaly different then the other ones.
Again,check your geography books--it is not only Pelagonia,it is the whole region of Rep. of Macedonia that greece didn't had a slightest problem to call it Makedonia.
angomako 3 years ago
yanistaros,you shoul upgrade your deffinitions.
the teritory of what was known as macedonia,changed in time,just like with Serbia,for example.
According to your logic,Serbia is not in belgrade today,because historical Serbia is in Kosovo:)
Go tell that to Hashim Tachi.
angomako 3 years ago
I disagree.
If you do not trust me,do your own research.
Same goes for anyone reading this---go and ask around any place in the Greek Macedonia--any place,if they are native to the place,or immigrants from Bulgaria and Turkey.
Chances are,8-9 out of 10 people to respond,that if they are not slavophonic,they are immigrants,not native to Macedonia-dopia, like we are.
angomako 3 years ago
And how do you know that Croats and Serbs have the "same origins"?
You read on Wikipedia?
Bulgarians are a mixture of pra-bulgars,slavs,trakians,macedonians,etc...native peoples who lived there.
we are a mixture of slavs and macedonians,and other ethnic groups who lived in macedonia.
where do you draw the lines and who gives you the right to play ethnic inquisition to 2 million people?
angomako 3 years ago
You are totaly wrong on all the accounts.
the country was not under some "Serb0yugoslav" authority,and no,greeks called the whole region of Rep. of Macedonia---Makedonia.
there are clips on youtube ,everyone can see them.
For Greeks and Bulgarians,Macedonian describes regionality,for us it denites identity and ethnicity.
angomako 3 years ago
there have been ethnographers from around europe that have spoken about the population in macedonia and called it macedonian.
bulgarians have problems with them,naturaly.
also,greece reckognised macedonian language and macedonians in 1924,it also published a school book in macedonian for macedonian children.
it never came to light,but there it was.
also,until 1980,rep. of macedonia was called "macedonia" in all Greek geography books.
Check it out.
angomako 3 years ago
nono...it's nonsense for turkophonic prosfigas to claim that they are somehow more "ancient" macedonians than the slavophonic macedonians who are descendants of the native macedonians and the slavs who came there 1500 years ago.
angomako 3 years ago
within the slavophonic world,langiage don't mean anything.
yugoslavia was a good example of how dangerous it was to imply that "south slavs" have "same culture".
bad experiment that proved the falacy of some "slavic ethnicity" that had its roots in 19 century pan-slavonic movement.
for exampl,serbians and croatians have the same language--they are quite different people in reality.
etc etc...
angomako 3 years ago
hehe,languages..bulgarian came to be a synonimous for slavic langiages because they were the earliest to establish a state,in which slavs came to eventualy dominate.
originaly bulgarians had nothing to do with slavs--they came to be slavicised because of the slavic propensity to melt and establish relations trough intermarraige.
that same phenomena happened all around,and you anthropologist dienekes ,if im not wrong has spoken about that.
it's very normal proces,happens everywhere.
angomako 3 years ago
and those langiage clusters that "slavs" supposedly share,are also shared by many modern greeks.
modern greeks by the way,are a mixture of many populations as well,just like any other balkan nation.
orthodox turkofons,arabs,vlachs,slavonic macedonians,albanians,native populations etc...pretty much a normal thing.
angomako 3 years ago
those "slavs" were called "Macedonians" big time by the greek government at the time,and by the greek communist fighters.
funnily,there was a law at the time that is still in endorsment,which says,only greeks by birth can go back.
which meant,bye bye to all ethnic macedonians.
that is billiuons of euros of lands confiscated from macedonians ,and people made homeless etc by the greek state.
another reason for the "name dispute".
angomako 3 years ago
exactly,the case is not unique.
you have bretania and great britain,ou have luxembourg in belgium,and luxembourg as a state.
why?
because it is normal to distinguish an independent state from a REGION within a state.
all of this goes much deeply than it appears to be--it goes straight into the greek national myths about how modern greeks who come from many ethnicaly different backgrounds came to be homogenised into a nationhood by using the religion and history.
angomako 3 years ago
finaly,when you said that greek speaking population dominated macedonia,that is actualy wrong.
by far,the slavonic speaking population dominated macedonia,and the report you are mentioning are quite wrong,because they were based on the church jusrisdictions,not "ethnic or linguistic" affiliations.
you belong to bulgarian or greek church----you are bulgarian or greek macedonian,corespondingly.
angomako 3 years ago
there are many macedonians in bulgaria too--for them like with the immigrant now commer asia minor greeks,macedonian came equal a strong regional belonging,not ethnic.
their ethnicity came to be greek or bulgarian.
our ethnicity is simply macedonian.
angomako 3 years ago
nonono...the debate is about how we call our selves and how we call our language,and that won't pass.
2/3 of the countries in the world call us macedonia,it's called exercise of inalienable human rights to determination.
the example with punjab is bogus,and totaly inadequate.
angomako 3 years ago
more rubish...you mean,greeks share some exclusive genes?
whole europe shares those clusters more or less.
polls and russians have them 50%,macedonians have them 12%..big deal.
"slavs" are not an ethnic group,there are many ethnic groups within the slavonic speaking world,so to speak.
ethnic macedonians are one of them.
angomako 3 years ago
blah blah blah yanitsaros..:)
what is this "slavic-bulgarian" culture?
is it about musaka and usso vs sarma and rakia?
please,you speak non-sense.
do not equate language with "culture",the second is a bit broader term.
angomako 3 years ago
Yes they are shared,so it is silly to put some rights of exclusivity in that regard.
Greethings from an ethnic Macedonian.
angomako 3 years ago
Interesting! Thanks for the context of it all!
Americanissima 3 years ago
Wrong.
"slavs" are what?An ethnic group?No.
Just people that belong to the same linguisic group,like Spanish and romanians belong to the Latin group of languages.
When slavophonic tribes came to Macedonia,in the course of 1500 years they mixed with the natives populations,while the language retained to be slavonic--hence,modern Macedonians are mixed.
The Greeks in that region are mostly immigrants and settlers from Asian minor,or bulgaria.
They came in the last 80years.
angomako 3 years ago
Thanks for this video! I work with a lot of Macedonians (as in FYROM) and many have Hellenic names (like "Ellada," or "Aspasia") and they look thoroughly Greek. When I first met them, and learned their names I said, "Oh, you're Greek!" And they said, No, we're Macedonian. So surely the population of FYROM is mixed because of wars and like so many cut-up little kingdoms, they want to claim the history of those who once lived there?
Americanissima 3 years ago
Macedonians call their country Republic of Macedonia,not "FYROM".
It is an insulting derogatory word for us.
All the Macedonians you met there,yes,we look southern-europeian,and speak a langiage that belongs to the slavonic group of languages-modern Macedonian.
Many of those people are outright refugees from Greece,having lands confiscated,or not alowed to go back o the Greek party of Macedonia after the greeks took it and repopulated it with the reffugees.
angomako 3 years ago
Hi there chaps.
I think that this debate is pointless.
If you are broght up in one culture you represent that culture orientation regardless of your ethnicity.
It is this backwarded nationalism that makes a joke of human progress.
Today with very few exception (Basque)we all are part of Slavic genome and the migration theory in 4/5/6th century is not proven right or wrong.
My points:
1 We know too little to make great assumptions.
0lafsky 3 years ago
2 If Macedonians of slavic ancestry feel like a sons of macedon and do not shame this memory then why bother for this argument.
3 Another point on genom and ethnicity.
Look how Greek offspring of Alexander the Great look like because these people are more closely related to the Greeks as we like to remember then of those today and compare this look to yorself and the rest of the nation.
0lafsky 3 years ago
They were mostly blond and blue/green eyed with olive skin and very indo-european features (which they preserved).
So Give It a Break civilazations developed civilazations colapsed not once but hundreds of times and this will be true for ours here in the west.
Once again we will need to learn how to write and again we will forget it because of a virus, meteor, mass desaster, war, whatever.
Cycle of life.
0lafsky 3 years ago
Brothers
Make friends and not enemies because we already have too many enemies in the world to allow ourself be week internally.
0lafsky 3 years ago
Oh and one more thing Great video and story :D
All to often Women are overlooked in the history. In battle they are ruthless and frankly merciless.
Truly scary.
and because of this they have more sense then fight like apes :)
Have good evening all :)
0lafsky 3 years ago
lol im glad you looked up what the historical fact was about slavonic slavanik meaning that which is a vulgate tongue it does not concern languages of foriegn slav ppl like slavakian 6th cent from that time yes macedonians spoke 2languages Koine and slavonic there comon tongue do i get an Amen! amen so did the whole world lol egypt lybia mesopetamia isreal italy it doent change anything ur stated to get it this falsehoods of yours is starting to bite you need to balence ur story both side wrong
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
No They didnt need re-christianisation they were already christians they the macedonians went out to slovakia and the slavs and gave them the gospel and alphabet and culture whilse this was happening since the 3rd century by the 6 century the macedonians deolect formed by the 7th century according to micheall the byzantine emperor all thesaloniki spoke perfect Slavonic wich means common tongue now today we have the modern macedonians they have been influenced by slavs and slavs have been by them
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
Myths are Good but come off it hericles and stuff? its important not to mix fact and fiction it will end up looking like the macedonian divinchi code.... did you know macedonians were the first christians in europe they had there own autocephulous church based on evangelisation they were very charismatic and had a heart for giving and charity did you know not until recently greece and serbia have thought to destroy the macedonian church and serbia has sought to consume it into there own dioces
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
such a tradgedy to saint ceril and methodius they would turn in there graves did you also know greece was in a state of ex-comunication for 20 years for there false establishment of there church in violation with the patriarch of constantinople now these ex-comunicates neo-nationalist have fixed the church and persecute the macedonians burn the churches down and change the names of macedonian saints ect what an insult to God macedonian is part of church history and ther blood crys form thearth
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
what a twisting of truth st ceril were macedonian they and the macedonians evagelised the rest of the slavs the macedonians are the mother to the slavs thats why they have so much in common with slavs because they influenced them so much from language to alphabets ect over time there may have been a bit of mixin this happend with them egyptians to that just part of history mate now today macedonians are the product of evolution over many thosands of years today they are what they are put up with
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
your as proud and wrong as they can get you would even disregard the ethnic Macedonians of Greece shame on you your worse than a turk not even did they do this children of ataturk were dignified now Dorian was a trend like emos are today the doric trend is over so is the archaek trend part of ancient history today we have moodern greeks of atika we have cypriots we have carpathians we have kytherians we have pontians we have thracians and the Largest group of all and the most persecuted
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
group are the Ethnic Macedonians these poor souls were raped tortured hung staved and burnt all at the hands of not the muslims or the turks but by the extreem left wing Neo-Greek nationalist who were the coarse of all the problims of greece today these creatures were most probably part of the new world order sytem to conqure and divide macedonia was a perfact place to coarse ww1 and the balkan war and the dehellenisation of orthodox christian culture macedonia was the melting pot of the devil
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
Macedonia was divided into 4 parts 600 thousand were exiled to bulgaria thousands in greece were burned and slaughtered villiges were burnt down all the surnames of macedonians were changes to greek ones all byzantine saints were wiped out of orthodoxy church papers were burnt priest fired neo national greek schools set up in Agean Macedonia neo greek soldiers say that the slagter of the macdonians they called them vulgaros was worse than in the times of christ thats how bad it was shame on u
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
You better not of regarded this comment to me because I speak on behalf of hellas not yugoslavia... however dont get excited for i do not speak on behalf of the neo-greek nationalist they are absolutly wrong for what they did to the peoples and ethnicity of the ethnic Macedonians they are a distinct people that was an acient Kingdome this separates it from the rest of Hellas that were governed by city states macedonia is unique in this sence
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
But we dont speak slav langauge thay speak old Macedonian langauge only the letters are diferent the pronaunsing is the same.
Letteras are found in Macedonia in Kokino and the same letters are on Rosseta stone.Explination from your lingusts?
/watch?v=b8MyOV9-7ZA
MacedonianZariza 3 years ago
If you and your family have are Ilirian descendants and you now speak greek language that make you hellen?
If you are happy with that i'm ok,that is your right,but you will not telling me what i'm!
MacedonianZariza 3 years ago
The good thing is that nobody ask you what we are!;)Ok?For that have relevant institutions like iGENEA!;)
Sorry for you!
MacedonianZariza 3 years ago
What slavs,like you or?
/watch?v=k2g--2S3Ly4
Stop your stupid propaganda all world laught on you!Germans,Celts,Ilirians,Slavs whatever you are!
MacedonianZariza 3 years ago
Macedonian woman wear helmets becose Macedonian woman was respected even in Ancient time and the woman have all rights(to buy to sell to have property,to be Queen like Kleopatra was),and in Grekia woman was juvenile with no rights!
Macedonians end Hellens are diferent like horse and monkey!
MacedonianZariza 3 years ago
This is Macedonian about it!
/watch?v=k2g--2S3Ly4
I understend you girks you don't have identity and you want to be Macedonians!hehehe
Tell me one hero you have??Tell me who is your hero?Demostenes???hahahaha
I start to feel sorry for you!:(((
hahaha
MacedonianZariza 3 years ago
Macedonia Forever!!Greeks go to Epiopia!!!!!
strumjan 3 years ago
Lol no we dont we speak Greek and I speak English like i said All the Helenomacedonians Egeece' Macedonians were either genosided killed murdered traded exiled and betreyed imergrated to Australia amf other places and the ones that remained in macedonia were assimilated and cunsumed into the modern greek state 1914 under the beucharist treaty half of macedon went to serbia they renamed that area vardaska and the other half remained in Greece alot millions were made go to bulgaria
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
Greece being a colnial people betrayed macedonia people they wanted them wiped off the map when i say greek i mean everything that isnt greek because the greeks arnt greek macedonians are actially more greek than the greeks the greeks of today are more realted to armenians the pontians of turky turky decided that all greek and non muslims must go to the new state of greece most of them went to macedonia istead of being gratefull the resisted the ethnic macedonians o the region thus modern
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
greece needed a unerversal languge because there was so manu diolects pontian vlacjian egeece slovaphine macedonian cypriota ect carpothian what was the sulotion a rendered modern greek of the attika athens people of classic times this was succefull in the assimilation of the macedonians what happened the greeks went overboard and turned on the macedonians and they fail to recognise us as a people they recognise the muslims 1 percent why dont they regognise us? you are traitors worse than turks
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
it might be understandable not to regognise fyrom not untill recently you never regognised ethnic macedonians of greece shame on you shame on you greeks who claim to be macedonian as well whart ever city state you belong to keep it but dont take our heritage and history by virtue greece belongs to macedonian not vice versa SAY NO TO VULGARO SAY NO TO FYROM WE ARE MACEDONIAN VIVA MAKEDONIA
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
we r greek by virtue we are macedonian we have our own History and language they neo-greek nationist split macedonia into 4 parts and made us got to greek school and we were faorbade to speak macedonia and our surnames were changed to modern greek ones and all our villiges names were changes to
gilbertobesanko 3 years ago
Greek propaganda. Most of the verbiage in their essay dealt with issues of Ancient Macedonia and why it belongs to the Greeks and not the Slavs. In spite of their insulting approach, I felt obliged to respond with my own arguments. After producing hundreds of pages of counter arguments the only reward I received for my effort was ridicule and more derogatory comments.
momcemk 3 years ago
^_^ MACEDON=GREEK
georgeosgr 3 years ago
yanitsaros na makedonski znaci janichar!!!
pa sega svatete sto e momcevo.
makedonec na koj negovite roditeli mu se makedonci!!!
dekomakedon 3 years ago
So what? You want a bike?
makedonce1986 3 years ago
It's a fake map, it' only the Aegean part of Macedonia. It's though to be united with our Vardar part of Macedonia, the Republic of Macedonia and the Pirin part of Macedonia. MACEDONIA for the MACEDONIANS!!!
makedonce1986 3 years ago
all of you have Greek genes !!!
ApollwNotos 3 years ago
Και εγώ έτσι νομίζω ότι ήταν ο Αμύντας.Βέβαια οι ντοπιοί Ρουμλουκιώτες αρέσκονται να λένε ότι ήταν ο Αλέξανδρος για προφανείς λόγους.Οι Ρουμλουκιώτισσες αγαπούσαν τόσο το κατσούλι τους που αρνιόνταν ακόμα και στον ύπνο να το βγάλουν.Αν και αμόρφωτες ασύνειδητα καταλάβαιναν ότι το κατσούλι ήταν αυτό που τις ξεχώριζε από τους Τούρκους και έδειχνε την ελληνική τους καταγωγή καθώς και τις πραγματικές τους ρίζες που έφταναν στην Αρχαία Μακεδονία του Αλεξάνδρου και του Φιλίππου.
fanibla99 3 years ago
Πραγματικά υπέροχο βίντεο με συγκλονιστική μουσική!Είμαι από το Ρουμλούκι(Ελληνότοπο),περιοχή γύρω από την Αλεξάνδρεια Ημαθίας.Ο κεφαλόδεσμος της στολής αυτής,που μοιάζει με περικεφαλαία,ονομάζεται κατσούλι και είναι σημάδι ελληνικής καταγωγής.Είμαι περήφανη που οι γυναίκες πρόγονοι μου το φορούσαν.Ο θρύλος λέει ότι ο ίδιος ο Μέγα Αλέξανδρος ζήτησε από τους άνδρες να δώσουν την περικεφαλαία τους στις γυναίκες για να τις τιμήσουν για την γενναιότητα τους σε μία μάχη,που παραλίγο να χανόταν.
fanibla99 3 years ago
HAHAHAHHAHHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHH
MacedonianSoldier 3 years ago
Very elegant video my friend και πολύ πρωτότυπο!
Siriusastir 3 years ago
Very nice video, especially the beginning and the last 10 seconds. Thanks.
mickeyhellas 3 years ago
teleio videaki
5*
mafiozossss 3 years ago
kataplhktiko video opws kai h ermhnia ths arvatakh
*****
iMbAcKHellAs 3 years ago
macedonians were greeks.
budelmonti 3 years ago
who said macedonian were illyrians??
they were cousins yes absolutely but no the same people.just like they were diferent from greeks.you have part of maceodnia today in modern greece but that doesnt make macedonia greece because you assimilated the people inside your border just like all other minorities to create a false sense of reality.which of course you know very well but it doesnt suit you to accept it.
macedonians were macedonians not slav not greek.
bylysi 3 years ago
o bylisi ehei ligotero mialo apo ton skilo mou giati milas logika mazi tou?
ego mono spao plaka me to zoon to orthio!
Laistrigonas 3 years ago
shut up re malaka.
bylysi 3 years ago
o yani by the way someone from macedonia told me that slavic is in this area since 2500 years ago.hahahahaha
he sounds like you.hahaha
bylysi 3 years ago
The slavs didnt show up in europe until the 6th century AD get your time lines straight
kitsos72 3 years ago 9
@kitsos72
WHAT A STUPID KOMENT !!
THE SLAVS CAME TO BE AS A NAME AFTER THE CREATION OF ( THE CYRILIC MACEDONIAN ALPHABET ) NOT A PEOPLE YOU IDIOT !! SLAVS MEANS WORSHIPERS !! UNDERSTAND YOU STUPID GREEK THIS SHIRTS ?? SPEAK ABOUT YOUR GREEK PEOPLE NOT US MACEDONIANS !!
THER IS LIKE 40 MILLION SLAVS , DID THEY JUST POP OUT OF NO WHERE ?? WE WHERE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN IN OUR MACEDONIAN LAND YOU STUPID ATHENIAN GYPSIES !! GREECE NEVER EXISTED BEFORE 1820 , AS IT NEVER HAD A NAME !!
JANDAR69 9 months ago
@JANDAR69
read a book, get your facts and numbers straight, slavs did not officialy show up according to the vast majority of scholars, until around the 6th century with the huns, the thracians were there before, you're alphabet wes created by two greek brothers from thessaloniki, Methodios and Kyrilos
I'm not gypsy and definelty not athenian, I'm from the region of Voion Kozanis, pull you head out of your ass
kitsos72 9 months ago
Yanitsare
The area that this specific costume comes from is called Roumlouki.
To the best of my knowledge, legend has it, that Alexander himself honored the bravery of the women from that region, for helping him win a battle, by giving them the helmet as part of their costume (thus making them equal to the men).
PENELOPEx1 3 years ago 2
exceptional work as always. thank you
learn2bfree 3 years ago
nice!!
Laistrigonas 3 years ago
I didnt know the Christian turks are now calling themselves Macedonians! haha what a joke ahaha
MKwarrior 3 years ago
which is why you turkish seeds assimilated by Slavs will never be Macedonians
the5thillusion 3 years ago
Go Macedonia. Go Greece.
macedonika 3 years ago
It is posible that alexander was caled LEKA I MADH becse of IMATHIA !!!!!!
granitus 3 years ago
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antinatogr 3 years ago
Πότε θα φτιάξεις το βίντεο για τους Παλαιολόγους;
erixthonios 3 years ago
Polu endiaferon to video.
Polutima ta stoixeia pou mas dineis
S'euxaristw! 5 stars!!!
ELLHNIKAoo 3 years ago
Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ
ΛΙΓΟΥΡΗΔΕΣ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΙ!!!!
keepdinos 3 years ago 3
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IMATHIA IN ALBANIAN THE GREAT !!!!
granitus 3 years ago