there is a difference between exercising one's right to free speech and inciting to violence or giving authorities reasonable suspicion that there is an imminent threat. Just like in elementary school when they told us that we could get searched for announcing that we possess drugs, even though it is "free speech" to say something that like. It's their right to say it and our right to act on it.
Getting back to the shooter himself, & the question of 'could the military had stopped this'. The answer is yes. As a member a the military, you are personnel, period. I've seen guys get Non-judicial punishment for getting sunburned & not being able to perform their duty.
There are signs up on ALL Bases that stated, 'Upon entrance, all civil rights are forfeited'. They could stop you, search you, detain you, etc. And that's if you're a civilian.
i find it funny that they send and walk round with their "threatning" signs in a english neighbourhood, because they would rather like there than the fucking shit hole were they were born.
they just need to gtfo back to their own country were they can rot and the non wac-jobs can get on with their lives.
Muslims need a Muslim Jesus to bring in a new law, like Jesus did for Christianity. Until then they are by their very well defined beliefs, mortal enemy to all who are not Muslim. They can join in the genocide, or go to hell for disobeying direct commandments from Allah as all writing in the Koran is seen
There are no half Muslims no wiggle room in their doctrine. The Koran is THE PERFECT WORD OF ALLAH, to disobey is hell for ever as it teaches
Well if someone could get him to convince a bunch of e-mommies and people Allah came to him and told him time for Muhammad's message was over and it was time for peace in the world cause figuratively somehow they won.
That would be worth a cool 100 billion. Then we could mop up those who warred against him with the help of his followers who would suddenly be very well off and have great friends and allys.
Then we wouldn't have to kill or be killed by all of those people as it is now.
People knew about this guy. He had been reported by his peers for the crazy or should I say Islamic stuff he said, like Muslims have the right to kill infidels and should do it or words to that effect.
It wasn't on the leftist media at all, if you don't watch Fox you miss much.
The Army officials were afraid to do anything about this, because of the political fire storm that would rip them a new one if they did.
In the military if you say these things, they have full right to remove you.
True, my friend. "political correctness" will surely kill us all. It has made all of us INFIDELs, targets. They use tolerance, to inflict their intollerance.
They put a lot of money into brain washing the idiots around the world, and hey, it worked.
They missed the key though, it's all for nothing, when you dead, you dead ... no matter how much money you have.
They can play around, mess around, screw around, but when it all comes down there aint no shell good enough to hide any snail inside when someone really wants to get at it They can't hide, because they leave a trail.
Actually, you're wrong. Prophet/General Muhammad tried to preach Islam peacefully in his native Mecca, but wasn't able to attract enough followers and was even mocked and humiliated by the Meccans, so he moved to Medina where he created his theocratic statelett, became rich, famous, popular and very intolerant, womanized, molested children, raped and owned black slaves, which inspired the Europeans to do the same centuries later, who was at the time using other Europeans as slaves.
He became a warlord, stole, looted, ethnically cleansed the entire Arabian peninsula from every Jew, Christian and Pagan, tortured prisoners and occasionally even held the sword during executions.
Muhammad is known in the Muslim world as al-Insan al-Kamil (the perfect man) and are told that the more you live like Muhammad the better of they are. If Muhammad was alive today, he would be a member of al-Qaeda. Muhammad being the perfect man, how can you be surprised that there are Jihadists?
In Islam, there are only three groups of people: believers, unbelievers and hypocrites. A "moderate" Muslim is a term coined by the West, whereas by Islamic standard, such a person would be referred to as a hypocrite.
To say that killing infidels in the name of Allah is an abnormality and a violation of Islam is completely false. It's the moderate Muslims who are the violators.
Suicide is against Islam, but the misnomer "suicide bombing" is not suicide, because the warrior dies at the same time he's killing the enemy, thus a homicide bombing. A non-Jihadist Muslim don't know if he's going to heaven until Judgment Day, whereas dying as a Jihadist reserves a guaranteed place in the highest level of paradise, a place that is told to be better than if you were given this entire world and everything that is in it. The 72 black-eyed virgins is just the cream of the crop.
Good video, when considering, I think there is only one way to sum it up. I think they were wise to monitor the guy, but I don't think they had any reason to arrest him before the acts. People gripe about The Patriot Act and Gitmo, and then those same people cry out that this shouldn't have been allowed to happen. Ben Franklin describes the circumstance best in my opinion, "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security." Until that day, he was innocent.
It's almost like they do this stuff for a living. ;)
Good synopsis of the situation.
I would like to see some resolutions come out of this regarding the military. Maybe tighter restrictions on their personnel or maybe more in depth checks. Because it does bring the question, this guy was counseling our soldiers psychological needs? Also, why do we have guys with Bachelor's degrees being Psychologists, usually you have to be a MD.
But I don't think this should affect the American Population.
I'd like to point out some thoughts on this 'Islam needs a reformation' argument that I hear from many quarters. A lot of people seem to forget that the Reformation was one of the most bloody periods in European history that lasted for hundreds of years up until the late 19th century. It still has some fall out in the West. There are still echos of it even here in the states when you listen to some express anti-Catholic rhetoric.
Noone kills more Muslims? Well, send out an APB on Peter Noone. Sorry couldn't resist. :)
Perhaps just the word 'reform' should be used to avoid confusion. A lot of the 'Neo-Crusaders' like to use the term in reference to the 'superiority' of Western Civ. Either way any advancement to modernity in any particular Muslim state is going to be slow and arduous and not without conflict. It's also going to have to come from within, as you highlighted in this vid
This reminds me of Minority Report in a way that things expressed by someone, radical hateful things, are indicators of future actions so therefore you lock them up. I call bullshit on that. You can never "predict" a hateful action to manifest although it may be more likely. But it's the quiet ones....I have always been told. We already see shades of "control" in the world of PC. Hate is hate--if you supress its expression, it WILL manifest. The nazi-like rally with "hate to america" scary
The difference is that we are not at war with neo-nazis. People are talking about bringing back internment camps though, or at least ridding military of those with these heritages.
oh, so much to say about all this, so very much. I've been having a conversation about this all day, with highly intelligent and critically thinking friends, on my Facebook wall - literally enough text comments to fill half your section here...and am therefore too pooped this evening to repeat myself even if in a different forum. Can't I just add you to my Facebook so you can read my take there and save me from retyping it all here? I'll be back tomorrow after some sleep to give you my take.
i don't approve or disapprove comments. unless someone is abusive i want all forms of discourse, i even jostle with the conpspiracists among us. its a bit of a fun spar.
This FT Hood massacre has the potential to further polarize this country and cause a heavy backlash against Muslim people. The media is not helping either.
That is militants islams goal. To polarize moderate elements to the modern world. Rather than the moderate factions recognizing this and doing what they can to help thwart it, they ignore. I don't know if its out of fear or simply blind loyalty...but its shameful. Who is to blame for this polarization? After two decades of islamic terrorist activity? Contantly blaming the west is getting tiresome and illogical. Its like blaming the woman for her rape (islam does that too)
There are two Mohammads in the Quran. The first Mohammed is the peaceful Mohammed. that moderates quote. This is before he had an army. After Mohammed obtained a following he became very cruel and violent. This is the part of the Quran that Jihadist quote. It is obvious that one has to be peaceful when they are powerless. When they obtain power their true character shows. It is not possible to reform an ideology where a terrorist is the founder. It is like saying Nazism can be reformed.
Hasan didn't have to be locked up. At the very least he needed to be discharged for holding extremest ideology within the military a long time ago. Many constitutional protections for the general public do not apply to the military. If the Army had followed its own policy, Hasan wouldn't have access to Fort Hood, as he would have been separated from the Army months ago.
relgious foundmentalisim? I think,this is all politics,,those leaders on top using the name of the relgion brainwashing the others,,why it doesnt happen from some other countries? only Arabs,and Iranians? So,theres more political than religion.
67. It is not fitting for an apostle that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but Allah looketh to the Hereafter: And Allah is Exalted in might, Wise.
I shall tell you a better way, persist in your heedlessness & perish in your rage, without seeking knowledge & guidance, never putting a step towards unbiased Truth, that's enough of an agony for us to see one more son of Adam is lost to the deception of this world.
indonesia is a great example of how western culture can temper such crazy perspectives. they are voting out radical muslims by the dozens in elelctions there.
I don't know what one can say about this pure rage, hatred, and cult of death that these radical Muslims are engaged in, other than to say these people fit any sane person's definition of pure evil. I don't know how else you could package it. I also firmly believe that if the US were to disappear tomorrow they would find some other object of their hatred, so I hope no one is fooling themselves by thinking some kind of appeasement might be in order.
It's a bullshit brand of superstition followed by a bullshit culture.
200 years from now the rest of the civilized world will be advanced in many areas - these Islamic assholes will still be dressed in robes, bending over & praying to imaginary characters.
They have nothing of value to offer. The hammer should be dropped on them once & for all.
We should no longer treat them as rouge fanatics, but members of very dangerous organized crime families.
Excuse me, do you have any idea on History before running your freedom of speech upon a Culture that freed the Europe from the Dark Ages, Do you have any idea on the advancements made by Muslim Scholars in the field of Science & Technology, plz do refer the Patent Office or some simple eazy to Understand videos on youtube on that Topic.
We are in Economic Recession due to our own Greedy Political world domination psychology disrespecting human life & values.
"Do you have any idea on the advancements made by Muslim Scholars in the field of Science & Technology, plz do refer the Patent Office or some simple eazy to Understand videos on youtube on that Topic."
The radical islamic movement are not the same as the Muslims that invented Algebra. They're teaching death in the radical mosques. Saladin was actually quite temperate and would probably be ashamed of the crap being taught by the radical groups.
The one concern I have arising from this tragedy is the possibility that what might result are limitations of free speech imposed on men and women in uniform. It's not that I want more lunatics in uniform saying the kinds of things
I hear you, but on the other hand our armed forces don't really have a place in these debates. They do when they vote, but that needs to be the limit. A military that gets bogged down in free speech issues for its rank and file can't be an effective fighting force. Their first mission is defense of their country.
From what I understand - One of the things Hasan did was to post his opinion about the dignity of suicide bombers. I totally disagree with his opinion, but I do not think that his being in the military denies his right of free speech. I understand that there are limits and restrictions placed upon military personnel. However, the constitution which they risk their lives to protect does not stop protecting them.
Hasan was a special case, as a commissioned officer he gets a little more leeway in voicing his opinion. This would be especially important in his case as a psychologist, he had certain responsibilities to academia post research results, etc., and that requires access to free speech. That he chose to spiel on about religion and politics is sad, but the main point is he had privilege over and above enlisted and non-comms to say what he wanted to say. The cons. has little to do with this btw.
The constitution does indeed protect them, but enlisted still have practical limits on their speech for national security and this is impressed on them by their commanders. Our defense would collapse if soldiers blabbed on about military planning and dismissed orders not to talk by waving around the constitution. It simply isn't practical.
While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 758 (1974).
I fully understand the constitutional issues at stake. Hasan's opinions about Islam and even the morality of suicide bombers are neither critical of the US military nor do they fall into the loose lips sink ships. The question with which we are faced is just how far free speech can be denied members of the military.
It'll be interesting to see where the investigation leads. I assume we'll eventually hear from him. I agree his freedom of speech was protected, but also think the military had some recourse if they were aware of his attitudes. I tend to agree with battim that he's probably just a nut job... Calling military personnel murderers is just childish and hateful.
So, you think Lee Harvey Hasan was a "half assed Jihadi?"
He could have just filed a lawsuit like Erin Watada, and got out of being deployed, but instead of just fililng a lawsuit, the media is insisting this recently promoted MAJOR in the US ARMY, set for deployment, who frequents STRIP CLUBS, decided to go "jihadi" and kill Americans.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! And he just so happens to use the only handgun in the world that leaves the same ballistics as an M-16 or M-4! 200+rounds!
Frequenting strip clubs indicates a lot of things. Subjugation of women as sexual objects is not foreign to islam, its literally written into sharia law. Burkhas are nothing more than an excuse for rape. As if women exposing their faces is the cause of the transgression. He did try to gwt out of deployment and file for conscietious objector status. What are you implying happened?
A person who frequents a strip club, is NOT going to commit religious and suicidal "jihadi." It may be an indication of a lot of things but NONE of them have anything to do with religious fanaticism. As for what happened, I don't know what happened, they won't tell us. but rumor has it, .... I'll post that on your channel.
Do you know what the 911 pilots were doing the week before it happened? Do the research. They were in strip joints drinking vodka. I suppose preists don't touch kids either
Here a expression I'm sure you've heard before, 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! The hi-jackers in FL, who lived in MILITARY BASE HOUSING in Pensacola, not only got drunk at strip clubs, they hired hookers, did coke! And they could barely even fly a Cessna.
You need to do some research, about the governments use of PASTY's!!! Blame the Muslim, blame the Muslim, doesn't matter that they are NOT Muslim, doesn't matter that they show NO INDICATION of being radical, blame the Muslim, right?
You are simply paranoid. You fucking people are laughed at the wolrd over. Can you name one...just one...academic sooucre that agrees with the 911 truthers? Anywhere in the world? Making up fairy tales and repeating them doesn't make them true.
Well Tim, anti-conspiracists can make all kinds of claims about fuel burning, but you need to explain how Bldg. 7, devoid of any personnel, magically got dropped like a house of cards at the behest of Silverstein. Explain that, then I will listen to anti-conspiricist babble. Really dig into #7, and your perspective will never be the same again.
blake, egnieers and architects the world over have explained it over and over again. academic sourcing is available everywhere. academic sourcing agreeing with conspiracy claims does not exist.
GIVE ME A BREAK!!! Search Niels Harritt and Steven Jones. That's two MULTIPLE PEER REVIEWED, scientific published studies!!!
Architechs and Engineers for 9/11 truth has several THOUSAND licensed architechs and engineers that disagree with the "official findings" of the NIST commisison.
Even 60% of the 9/11 commission are calling the "official story" a CRIMINAL COVER-UP!!! The top guy calls for CHARGES!
Steven jones is teaching where? Lol. Peer reviewed by other conspiracists? The bulk of these thousands were shown to be mostly made up. You ignore the millions of engineers that disagree. Lol. And your lie about 60 percent of the 911 commission is cpomical. The only thing dumb is that you don't know what consensus opinion is. Those cources are not academic or backed by one academic instituiton. Not one.
The STEVEN JONES paper was peer reviewed at BYU three times.
The Harritt paper was peer reviewed at the University of Copenhagen. You can read it yourself, and see the unreacted nano-thermite YOURSELF!!!
Can you link me to a place where, "millions of engineers" have stated that they have looked at, and agree with the "official story?" I don't believe that statement is accurate at all. in fact, several of the "Popular Mechanics" scientists have SUED to get their name off that crap!
it was reviewed, then they fired him. nanothermite is not used in demos. it is used in welding, and steel building are welded so therefore...
again can you name on department of physics or engineering anywhere that comes to the consensus it was a demo? no. and the part about popular mechanics is a lie.
You cannot sit there and type that nano-thermite is "not used for demos." I mean, what in the hell are you doing, man? Okay let me explain this again.
You can get a copy of the Harritt paper, and LOOK AT THE PICTURES OF THE SH-T YOURSELF!
You can be the "peer" and review it, if you want to. That PM article was written by a NAZI whose related to another NAZI in our government. The very NAZI that got the top NAZI position in the newly created DHS!!! It is RIDDLED with BLATANT BS!
I am not an engineer so I am not a peer. The physics dapartment at byu did review it. Then they fired him. Noone else hired him in anacademic setting. Blatant bs is you. Find one commercial demo company that uses nanothermite to demolish buildings. Lol. Just one demo company.
just do a search with "9/11 Commission Members Doubt Official 9/11 Story"
READ THEIR QUOTES YOUSELF!!!
Here's one, "Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagons initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate."
That is not 60 percent and none of those folks you claim say those things will verify they said them. Where's the video of them saying that? The video is abouit fort hood. 911 conspiracists are fringe and ignore science and reason. Where did any of them say it was an inside job? None of them said that. Nanothermite is not used in controlled demos. Find me one commercial demo site that claims they uise them. They do not. You won't talk me into it. Sorry. I choose science
I have not read all the posts, so I don't know if someone else has already made this point. You say people have a right to free speech, true; but not if you are in the military. And for that matter, free speech does not mean you can say what ever you want and still keep your job.
This is such a hard topic. On one hand I'm a firm believer in the 1st amendment and believe that people have the rights to their views regardless of how distasteful they may be to me.
On my second hand I think Fundamentalists of all stripes are dangerous, but Islamic Fundamentalists are especially fucking scary...
... but then on my third hand, that last thing I want is for this to be fuel for the hysterical anti-muslim right crowd.
I'm going to jump to the conclusion the dude was a brainwash job by CIA controllers at Virginia Tech. (Obviously) He was promoted, despite full knowledge of his philosophical positions. The "political correctness" thing is a BS cover. Yeah right, they knew he was radical but were afraid to say anything for fear of being politically incorrect. BS!
It's supposed to incite the racist religious hate the fuels the "war on terror". I'm astonished by the storm of propaganda.
It is a very good guess. They do use mind control in the MKUltra program But in this case he was against the war and harrassed to his limit because it's not tolerable to be anti-war in the military.
Based on nothing? I'm not paranoid. My "guess" is based on the known mind control programs at Virgina Tech. And it's just obvious when you see how the media is playing it. It's a straight propaganda campaign. People get teased all the time, it takes some real programing, phyco-phama drugs, and triggers for a guy to go killing. And what happened to multiple shooters / suspect dead? He's a text book Manchurian candidate. I'm suprized you can't see the plain purpose is to incite "terrorist hate".
From his position at the Center for the Study of Traumatic Stress, Major Hasan became one of the originators of what is called the US Army's Warrior Combat Reset Program set up to help American soldiers returning from war zones, or being redeployed to them, cope with what is called post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and which according to these reports led to his being at Fort Hood to electronically prepare an experimental group of US Soldiers for their return to the Iraq war zone.
the plain purpose of what? the plain purpose of a man who apparently for some time harbored animosity for the institution that employed him for agression against people of his faith? are you implying the columbine kids were programmed or were being force fed drugs? were they the triggers that caused 911 too? your conclusions are paranoid.
It isn't based on nothing. He said "I'm going to jump to conclusion" MKULTRA is real not a delusion so his guess is based on known immoral CIA tactics. Your responce is quite insulting. You ask for opinions but if they don't mesh with yours you trash them. That is an elitist shill attitude. Talk in lamens terms for starters. We get that your educated. But education has nothing to do with wisdom and descernment. You have the education. I have the wisdom. Your opinion is no longer valid.
Well I'm not easily insulted so good luck with that. I just see it as a misunderstanding, I will try to explain again. With FACTS, mind you. (And if I might, it is you whom is trying to rationalize murder, ascribing Major Hasans reasons. We both know there is no rational.) I'm just saying it's obvious the event is a psyop.
Yes, I do imply the columbine kids were mind controlled, as was the Virginia Tech student Seung-Hui Cho. Maybe it's to far out for you to believe there are such programs.....
It's well funded by DARPA and documented that Virginia Tech is the top mind control research area. I don't fault you for not knowing. Whatever, but it's not me being paranoid and delusional. It's just what exists. Gathering more information, you come to understand that he was one of the US Militaries top PSYOP specialists. Meanwhile the media is cramming stuff in your head about his harbored animosity, well then why was he promoted? CLUE: Not because FBI was afraid to speak up. His controllers..
Ita delusional to asssume what you are assuming based on the evidence provided. There is no evidence he took driugs,no evidence he was involved in mind control and no evidence he was involved in psyop. His clearance wasn't thar high. You would be surprised how mundane psyop is...you watch too many syfy movies. Alex jones would be proud of you though
Btw you are making shit up. He, first of all, was a clinical psychologist, not psyop. And if he were "one of the top" psops guys (if you only knew how silly you look) he would have gotten 6 month psyop training (he did not).
I'm just going on what I read, and how I interpret. I don't care if I look silly or make Alex Jones proud.
Congratulations on having a comment storm almost as interesting as when Israel bombed the Gaza Strip last year.
I read that this Hasan guy did his medical internship at Walter Reed, and Graduated from Virginia Tech Universitys Center for Applied Behavior Systems with a degree in biochemistry... He then became top researcher at the US Center for the Study of Traumatic Stress. (continued)
(information continues) Major Hasans research specialty was one called Radio Hypnotic Intracerebral Control Electronic Dissolution of Memory (RHIC-EDOM). Used to "reset" traumatized warriors for redeployment.
There is another case of this going wrong in Russia resulting in masses of Russian troops who were undergoing these experiments to erupt in immediate violence leaving 37 of them dead when they (for no apparent reason) began firing upon each other.
Because most of what you are saying, there is no record of it, you read it on conspiracy websites. lol. you got his academic training wrong as well. there is nothing in his military record about your conspiratorial anagram. none of what you are saying is true, so your "facts" are simply regurgitated messages from conspiracy website. source your claims.
what you read is a lie. he was never trained in psyop. According to records, Hasan first enrolled at Virginia Tech for a summer session in 1992. He completed his coursework in the spring of 1995. Hasan received a Bachelor of Science degree with honors in biochemistry from the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences. His minor was in biology and chemistry. No Applied behavioral scinece at VA tech.
btw, ray "Radio Hypnotic Intracerebral Control Electronic Dissolution of Memory" is a made up term for an old myth about the soviet union that conspiracists used to explain why oswald killed kennedy. digging up old scifi garbage that simply doesn't exist is not a product of PSYOP (if you only knew how silly you sound, PSYOPS is such a mundane field) its a product of someone imagination. no more, no less. these conclusions you came to are on every conpsiracy site. its not your idea at all.
Well there is simply no evidence. Speculative guesswork based on nothing but circumstantial nonsense. There is simply nothing to indicate this. The man is still alive and his family isn't indicating any such thing. Connecting disparate facts and ignoring other facts. Like he was in contact with american born yemenese clerics who support jihad seems like conveniant fact finding. Science looks at all facts not just one that support the claim
you have also fully integrated myths that have no basis of truth. he never studied behavioral science at virginia tech, he went to undergad there, he never worked on memory mind wiping. the things you point to as "facts" are fabrications literally created out of thin air. there is no record of any of that. it simply doesnt exist except on conspiracy websites
The first amendment should not protect Men in the army, A soldier can't go around preaching against his own country cause his uniform obligates him to represent the organization and country.
Here he would have been dishonorably discharged, but not arrested, and maybe he wouldn't have acess to the guns.
The guns were not military issue. There seems to be some question as to why he was not discharged. This guy wouldn't have made it past the security check in IDF
Dude, People are free to be racist and express their feelings on the issue if asked. It doesn't mean you have to like them, they are just that way and have the right to be that way. When movements and religions start talking about some violent end game scenario where they will rule, it is cause for concern, these people are openly stating they are a threat in your future. They might say PeeWee Herman was the second coming and plot to kill the infidels. I get alittle pre-emptive with these sorts.
We all have a right to speak out against this illegal occupation. It is our duty to stop the criminal elements that dictate to the loyal soldiers who believe they are fighting an enemy. The CIA finance and trained Taliban and Al Qaeda. They also convinced the anti-Taliban in afghanastan to put down their weapons and they were wiped out. Why do troops guard the poppi feilds? Why has the drug trade soared since our occupation? How many innocent children, mothers, fathers etc have we killed?
We have the right to speak against things we don't like, but not to openly conspire to take over the world at some later date. It just seems stupid to let people openly recruit people that will eventually organize and attack, no guessing, they say that is their goal. They are just waiting for their best chance. C'mon
jUST BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE EVIDENCE THAT i HAVE FOUND DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY LESS TRUE. He was outspoken against this war and he was harrassed. I also am against all wars.
omg. My evidence was aquired by research. Testmonies by his friends and his minister all say he was vocal against this illegal and immoral occupation. His car was vandalized and he received threatening letters saying he is the son of a monkey. He was a good soldier pushed to his limits. It is obvious to me and my research is thorough. I don't lie and this isn't conjecture.
Reformation of Islam would be nice but 95+% of Muslims dont believe Islam is in need of reformation...that the problem lies with the rest of the world so dont buy tickets to the post-reformation party just yet. "Protestant Muslims" who wish to reform Islam run into a brick wall called the Quran every time they try and are labeled Heretic and marked for death(Muslims still believe in murdering apostates). BTW...there are more Militant Muslims in the USA than all the others you mentioned combined.
As for your "freedom of expression" our President's dear friend Bill Ayers was a founder of the "Weather Underground you mentioned and he expressed his beliefs by bombing the Capitol...is That free speech(certainly his stating he wished he had done more bombings in his NY Time interview is..)? There is no such thing as Freedom of Speech in the military. Their job is to fight for Your freedom of speech. The pictures of posters from London are 2 years old from the Mohammad Cartoon Riots/protests.
Bill ayers needs to go to prison for his self admitted crimes. There are expression limits, but not in academic circles in the military. The point of the posters is that this form of islam is not isolated.
Appparently we agree, but referring to this as a "form of Islam" suggests a need to familiarize yourself with it's fundamental doctrines. The terms and strategies, rules and regulations within Islam...a guidline for every single solitary aspect of a Muslim's life including how to conduct themselves when living in enemy territory(the West would be enemy territory BTW) These demonstrations are simultaniously orchestrated events that occur worldwide coordinated through mosques and the internet.
Yes. The internet is a breeding ground for this. I am familiar with it and disagree with the way we have engaged it, and are engaging it policy wise. Proclaiming islam as a religion of peace is beyond logic.
Rather than see it as a breeding ground, look at it as a means of instantly communicating marching orders to millions worldwide. Thats how often illiterate Muslims in Indonesia/Pakistan wind up in front of a camera protesting and holding signs in English Friday after prayers. The orders come down to the Mosques on Thurs>the signs are made>while Juma is held a few men go out and torch a car which brings the press>they leave the mosques primed and ready to protest and the press is there already.
Well indonesia is a place I lived for some time and have a great deal of experience in. Indonesia is decidely secular and are voting out muslim factions every election. Any tshirt shop in bali or jakrta has nothing but tshirts on sale with bin laden with targets on his head. The bulk of indonesia is very proamerican (they did a mock inauguration of obama that millions attended). Things are changing there...its an open society chock full of western influence. The press is pro west
That whole T-shirt thing is the inverse of the photos I saw immediately following the tsunami. I distinctly remember seeing a least 1 person in pictures wearing a bin Laden T-shirt. Either way Indonesia has "white laws" that ban anti-Islamic statements on the web, a blogger I know that lives there told me if they catch him he'd get 10 years in prison. Also, are you familiar with the case of "The 3 Rebaccas"? They remain in prison(I believe), but the Bali bombing imam(Bashir?) is already out.
e after the tsunami. You saw a snap shot...a tiny one, of a country the size of the usa. Im I'msure you could find similiar things in nyc. The white laws you speak of are not enforced. Noone has ever been jailed for them. Three of the bali bombers were put to death. The one who got out popinted to islamic camps in aceh that were mutilated. Your persepctive ios scewed
Sorry it was cut off...I was there after the tsunami, I was literally stopped and bought beers simply for being american after the aid we gave them. White laws protect all religions not just islam. Europe has similiar laws.
On a previous profile I had the video of the trial of the "3 Rebeccas" posted. Are you familiar with this case? Also while I'm aware of the ideals, I'm pointing to glaring cases that contradict the "All's well in Denmark"(probably not good mentioning Denmark) picture. Apparently, 3 Christian women were imprisoned for several years for allowing Muslim children to attend a Christian picnic. Am I distorting the facts? Are Churches burned in Indonesia?
Churches are not burned in indonesia by the government. Churches are burned in the usa. It is illegal in indonesia to evangelize. Regardless of your religion. You brings up isolated cases that happen regionally (its an island nation, local automony superceded federal authority quite a bit). Mosques have been burned by christians in aceh too. That said the cathloic church is huge in indonesia and has strong political influence. There are more catholics in indo than the usa...for now.
Indonesia justice is extremely corrupt and susceptible to threats and coersion, as in all developing nations. It is my understanding the a not guilty sentence would have meant death for these women. Minority extremist elements threats are easily carried out in a system that 100 dollars can buy justice. The sentence may have saved their lives. Certainly that is the case with many crime sydicates that influence justice. Look at the yakuza in japan or the mafia in russia.
that said i just spent almost a mnoth there in february and found society in jakrta and bali to be even more liberalized than the 90s. the council of mullahs have been overridden by the secular supreme court many times. pointing to isolated regional cases that are coerced is not the norm
"You cant lock up Maj. Hasan for expressing himself..." No, but you can sure as hell discharge him from the army for the beliefs he espoused.
"...the narni sect in Islam that thinks [...] for whatever reason."
So basically, you haven't the faintest idea about the subject you wish to editorialize on...am I right? You use clips of talking heads who may or may not have a clue as well... "Narni Sect"? as in Narnia? Is that where this would eventually lead? Hasan should have been discharged.
"Nardy"? I'm from NJ, and not really familiar with that term...nevertheless it would behoove you to research the motivations of his and the rest's attacks on the world in general. It has much less to do with sectarian issues than it does the fundamental doctrines of the Islamic political movement. Start with this: fundamentally, Islam is a political movement 1st and foremost. Stop looking at Hasan and his ilk like religious nuts and start looking at them like a political enemies at war with us.
Wide. I certainly do understand the how these ideologies are responsible for violence. I've done quite a few videos on the disguting nature of the koran and it confuses me as to why the media and the government is so concerned with confronting that. Islamism is as scary, if not more so, than stalinism or nazism.
Picture the Nazi under Hitler's orders with the internet as a way of communicating to sabateurs and spies instantly around the world. That what we have today. Now add to that a reluctance on our part to even speak the name of or fully confront the nature of our antagonists(Islamism). "War on Terror" has the same logical meaning as "War on Blitzkrieg" meaning none... because blitkrieg and terrorism are tactics, and you can't defeat an ideology simply by defeating one of it's tactics.
I've missed a lot of news items in the last couple days (other things on my plate), so I can't comment on that at this point.
But in terms of your question about monitoring... it's not a bad idea. Being aware of potential threats is just plain smart. And, if anyone - individual or group - is publicly announcing they want an entire population to die? Good grief.
I love how they're insulting others and calling for the death of anyone who insults them.
it is unfortunately the price of Free Speech...you either protect it all or throw it to the wind. it is a slippery slope when you start deciding what is allowed to be said and what is not allowed to be said.
I support the first ammentment completely. People should not be afraid to state how they feel- get up on your soap box and share! The point is WE ALL give eachother the equal right to our own opinions! If somone preaches violence against someone they are stating that they want to violate the guaranteed right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! It is a threat and should be treated as such.
Perhaps a person who makes threats should be labeled as such. Isn't there a way to fairly do that? I don't know. Plenty of activists get arrested and I think if you have been arrested you can't buy firearms? Any KKK member who makes threats should have a criminal record that prevents them from serving on a jury, becoming a judge, buying a gun etc. That will teach them to hold their tongue!?!
Well in the army you aren't allowed to soapbox. Apparently his comments were done privately or in ana cademic forum. I have yet to see evidence of a direct threat that was given to attention to his commanding officers
well academia is treated differently in the corps. the army i am unaware. prosyletsizing is illegal. political correctness seems to have played a part in avoiding an larger issue here. sadly, i dont think that will change.
OK OK he wasn;t a wack job. He was harrassed in Fort hood. They don't know anything because they haven't looked or listened. Geesh even I know why. He got a letter saying he was the son of a monkey. His car was vandelized. He was pushed and pushed to his brink because he was against the illegal war and for that he was pushed too far. Due to the fact that he was Muslim they excellerated harrasment. The news doen't look at the facts they just say we don;t know why. Then how come I was able?
I don't recall seeing anything that is evidence of what you are saying. Even his muslim chaplain said he never complained of harrassment. If you want to look at facts perhaps conjecture on your part is no different than what you are blaming others on.
mr layton also believes in Radio Hypnotic Intracerebral Control Electronic Dissolution of Memory and seems to think hasan was an expert in it. lol. seriously. can you believe they dig this shit up from oswald conspiracies? its amazing that conspiracists aren't even being original any more.
From the standpoint of a military man who was on duty at the time of this incident, I was far more appalled by the fact he was able to get a weapon than his speech. No, we don't have the right to stop him from talking, that's the beauty and achilles heel of our country. We also don't need to give armory clearance to such an individual. It would never have been permitted on my base, nor likely in the Marine Corps.
What happened was tragic, but I fault bad practice of regulations, not religion.
there is a difference between exercising one's right to free speech and inciting to violence or giving authorities reasonable suspicion that there is an imminent threat. Just like in elementary school when they told us that we could get searched for announcing that we possess drugs, even though it is "free speech" to say something that like. It's their right to say it and our right to act on it.
bocanutz 1 year ago
Getting back to the shooter himself, & the question of 'could the military had stopped this'. The answer is yes. As a member a the military, you are personnel, period. I've seen guys get Non-judicial punishment for getting sunburned & not being able to perform their duty.
There are signs up on ALL Bases that stated, 'Upon entrance, all civil rights are forfeited'. They could stop you, search you, detain you, etc. And that's if you're a civilian.
But it could have been prevented & should have
Wrongway1965 1 year ago
i find it funny that they send and walk round with their "threatning" signs in a english neighbourhood, because they would rather like there than the fucking shit hole were they were born.
they just need to gtfo back to their own country were they can rot and the non wac-jobs can get on with their lives.
beyondthelol 2 years ago
The One On The White Horse Wins...The Trumpet is about To sound...are you washed...are you Rapture Ready...Lovehad Lovehad
trumpetofjesuschrist 2 years ago
Muslims need a Muslim Jesus to bring in a new law, like Jesus did for Christianity. Until then they are by their very well defined beliefs, mortal enemy to all who are not Muslim. They can join in the genocide, or go to hell for disobeying direct commandments from Allah as all writing in the Koran is seen
There are no half Muslims no wiggle room in their doctrine. The Koran is THE PERFECT WORD OF ALLAH, to disobey is hell for ever as it teaches
Christianity aint perfect, but its less extreme
omegahpla 2 years ago
scary thing is, they have a jesus, they call him esau. it is literally jesus.
battim 2 years ago
Well if someone could get him to convince a bunch of e-mommies and people Allah came to him and told him time for Muhammad's message was over and it was time for peace in the world cause figuratively somehow they won.
That would be worth a cool 100 billion. Then we could mop up those who warred against him with the help of his followers who would suddenly be very well off and have great friends and allys.
Then we wouldn't have to kill or be killed by all of those people as it is now.
omegahpla 2 years ago
People knew about this guy. He had been reported by his peers for the crazy or should I say Islamic stuff he said, like Muslims have the right to kill infidels and should do it or words to that effect.
It wasn't on the leftist media at all, if you don't watch Fox you miss much.
The Army officials were afraid to do anything about this, because of the political fire storm that would rip them a new one if they did.
In the military if you say these things, they have full right to remove you.
omegahpla 2 years ago
True, my friend. "political correctness" will surely kill us all. It has made all of us INFIDELs, targets. They use tolerance, to inflict their intollerance.
yusefhasish 2 years ago
They put a lot of money into brain washing the idiots around the world, and hey, it worked.
They missed the key though, it's all for nothing, when you dead, you dead ... no matter how much money you have.
They can play around, mess around, screw around, but when it all comes down there aint no shell good enough to hide any snail inside when someone really wants to get at it They can't hide, because they leave a trail.
omegahpla 2 years ago
The Koran, all of it, is seen as the infallible perfect word of Allah, passed through Muhammad, if you don't follow it all, you go to hell
The Koran commands murder of all non Muslims
The Koran commands them to lie to infidels until they can kill them
The Koran says non Muslims (infidels) are not people
The Koran, as Muslims will point out says all kinds of nice treatment you must give "people"
You are not Muslim? Then to them you are NOT PEOPLE
Thats the deception, the lie as commanded
omegahpla 2 years ago
I am a muslim: NADAL HASAN!
howie1962 2 years ago
Advocating murder makes you an animal...not a muslim
battim 2 years ago
Actually, you're wrong. Prophet/General Muhammad tried to preach Islam peacefully in his native Mecca, but wasn't able to attract enough followers and was even mocked and humiliated by the Meccans, so he moved to Medina where he created his theocratic statelett, became rich, famous, popular and very intolerant, womanized, molested children, raped and owned black slaves, which inspired the Europeans to do the same centuries later, who was at the time using other Europeans as slaves.
admasa01 2 years ago
He became a warlord, stole, looted, ethnically cleansed the entire Arabian peninsula from every Jew, Christian and Pagan, tortured prisoners and occasionally even held the sword during executions.
Muhammad is known in the Muslim world as al-Insan al-Kamil (the perfect man) and are told that the more you live like Muhammad the better of they are. If Muhammad was alive today, he would be a member of al-Qaeda. Muhammad being the perfect man, how can you be surprised that there are Jihadists?
admasa01 2 years ago
In Islam, there are only three groups of people: believers, unbelievers and hypocrites. A "moderate" Muslim is a term coined by the West, whereas by Islamic standard, such a person would be referred to as a hypocrite.
To say that killing infidels in the name of Allah is an abnormality and a violation of Islam is completely false. It's the moderate Muslims who are the violators.
admasa01 2 years ago
Suicide is against Islam, but the misnomer "suicide bombing" is not suicide, because the warrior dies at the same time he's killing the enemy, thus a homicide bombing. A non-Jihadist Muslim don't know if he's going to heaven until Judgment Day, whereas dying as a Jihadist reserves a guaranteed place in the highest level of paradise, a place that is told to be better than if you were given this entire world and everything that is in it. The 72 black-eyed virgins is just the cream of the crop.
admasa01 2 years ago
@battim sorry for the late response, but the two things you speak of are not mutually exclusive.
bocanutz 1 year ago
You know something, nobody in the government wants to call his man for what he is...a terrorist.
I wonder what they would have called him if he chose Congress instead of Fort Hood as his target.
thisisrumorcontrol 2 years ago
Good video, when considering, I think there is only one way to sum it up. I think they were wise to monitor the guy, but I don't think they had any reason to arrest him before the acts. People gripe about The Patriot Act and Gitmo, and then those same people cry out that this shouldn't have been allowed to happen. Ben Franklin describes the circumstance best in my opinion, "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security." Until that day, he was innocent.
LawlessOne24 2 years ago
@LawlessOne24 and i did this video 11 days ago...and it seems the stratfor guy got it right...as they do so often.
battim 2 years ago
It's almost like they do this stuff for a living. ;)
Good synopsis of the situation.
I would like to see some resolutions come out of this regarding the military. Maybe tighter restrictions on their personnel or maybe more in depth checks. Because it does bring the question, this guy was counseling our soldiers psychological needs? Also, why do we have guys with Bachelor's degrees being Psychologists, usually you have to be a MD.
But I don't think this should affect the American Population.
LawlessOne24 2 years ago
Scary thing is, he passed his boards. He is an MD. Yet he only saw 30 patients in his years. But political correctness has no place in the military
battim 2 years ago
I'd like to point out some thoughts on this 'Islam needs a reformation' argument that I hear from many quarters. A lot of people seem to forget that the Reformation was one of the most bloody periods in European history that lasted for hundreds of years up until the late 19th century. It still has some fall out in the West. There are still echos of it even here in the states when you listen to some express anti-Catholic rhetoric.
HeavyTrafficAhead 2 years ago
a reformation, not THE reformation. and noone kills mulsims at higher rates than other muslims.
battim 2 years ago
islam never had a reformation thats very true - it will but it'll take a while for that to happen...
FreeHeathen 2 years ago
Noone kills more Muslims? Well, send out an APB on Peter Noone. Sorry couldn't resist. :)
Perhaps just the word 'reform' should be used to avoid confusion. A lot of the 'Neo-Crusaders' like to use the term in reference to the 'superiority' of Western Civ. Either way any advancement to modernity in any particular Muslim state is going to be slow and arduous and not without conflict. It's also going to have to come from within, as you highlighted in this vid
HeavyTrafficAhead 2 years ago
what a fantastic vlog.....i hate you tube for not sending me your uploads. Im going to have to stop by here more often. :)
the more radical religious i see, the more convinced i am of its madness.
jakluk4 2 years ago
why thank you, its always an honor to see you peek your head about my page.
battim 2 years ago
hehehe.
peeking back in, just incase something new popped up. ;) all's clear, sadly.
xoxox
jakluk4 2 years ago
That's what you get when you let a towelhead inside the Army
fatboysarebetter 2 years ago
This reminds me of Minority Report in a way that things expressed by someone, radical hateful things, are indicators of future actions so therefore you lock them up. I call bullshit on that. You can never "predict" a hateful action to manifest although it may be more likely. But it's the quiet ones....I have always been told. We already see shades of "control" in the world of PC. Hate is hate--if you supress its expression, it WILL manifest. The nazi-like rally with "hate to america" scary
BlakeMason2 2 years ago
Why do conspiracist always point to hollywood to ame their points? Why? Because only fscience fiction agrees with it.
battim 2 years ago
i think if you put yourself under that light you should at least wear eye make up LOL..
Since when does the media report real news? lol That and by 'that' I mean the news, you get here on you tube!!!!
Nice video!
kissmytwinkys 2 years ago
there is no light, its an effect. eye makeup? huh?
battim 2 years ago
The difference is that we are not at war with neo-nazis. People are talking about bringing back internment camps though, or at least ridding military of those with these heritages.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
oh, so much to say about all this, so very much. I've been having a conversation about this all day, with highly intelligent and critically thinking friends, on my Facebook wall - literally enough text comments to fill half your section here...and am therefore too pooped this evening to repeat myself even if in a different forum. Can't I just add you to my Facebook so you can read my take there and save me from retyping it all here? I'll be back tomorrow after some sleep to give you my take.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
the more i learn about this the less i like it. the less we get a reaction the less i like it.
battim 2 years ago
and on mine, for others, if you decide not to approve my thoughts.
FreeinTX 2 years ago
i don't approve or disapprove comments. unless someone is abusive i want all forms of discourse, i even jostle with the conpspiracists among us. its a bit of a fun spar.
battim 2 years ago
This FT Hood massacre has the potential to further polarize this country and cause a heavy backlash against Muslim people. The media is not helping either.
missdivinestalls 2 years ago
That is militants islams goal. To polarize moderate elements to the modern world. Rather than the moderate factions recognizing this and doing what they can to help thwart it, they ignore. I don't know if its out of fear or simply blind loyalty...but its shameful. Who is to blame for this polarization? After two decades of islamic terrorist activity? Contantly blaming the west is getting tiresome and illogical. Its like blaming the woman for her rape (islam does that too)
battim 2 years ago
There are two Mohammads in the Quran. The first Mohammed is the peaceful Mohammed. that moderates quote. This is before he had an army. After Mohammed obtained a following he became very cruel and violent. This is the part of the Quran that Jihadist quote. It is obvious that one has to be peaceful when they are powerless. When they obtain power their true character shows. It is not possible to reform an ideology where a terrorist is the founder. It is like saying Nazism can be reformed.
apostate80 2 years ago
Hasan didn't have to be locked up. At the very least he needed to be discharged for holding extremest ideology within the military a long time ago. Many constitutional protections for the general public do not apply to the military. If the Army had followed its own policy, Hasan wouldn't have access to Fort Hood, as he would have been separated from the Army months ago.
apostate80 2 years ago
Where the fuck is Fat Tran?
blackknightbear 2 years ago
relgious foundmentalisim? I think,this is all politics,,those leaders on top using the name of the relgion brainwashing the others,,why it doesnt happen from some other countries? only Arabs,and Iranians? So,theres more political than religion.
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wwfc, i understand your point. and yes i do believe these ideologies are used for political motivations.
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TheMercilessEye 2 years ago
islam is for pig fuckers
67. It is not fitting for an apostle that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but Allah looketh to the Hereafter: And Allah is Exalted in might, Wise.
muslimwhisper 2 years ago
They don't fear fire power. Engaging them in war is what they want.
We should take on more sinister (yet hilarious) means & start with thier youth:
A saturation of Western culture would hit them where it hurts.
When thier youth begin listening to Lil' Wayne on thier IPODS, using deoderant & dressing provacatively - this is what gets thier turbans in a bunch.
Lets slowly but surely destroy thier culture from the inside-out by way of strip clubs & hedonism!
psychomajic666 2 years ago
I shall tell you a better way, persist in your heedlessness & perish in your rage, without seeking knowledge & guidance, never putting a step towards unbiased Truth, that's enough of an agony for us to see one more son of Adam is lost to the deception of this world.
ysmkit 2 years ago
indonesia is a great example of how western culture can temper such crazy perspectives. they are voting out radical muslims by the dozens in elelctions there.
battim 2 years ago
I don't know what one can say about this pure rage, hatred, and cult of death that these radical Muslims are engaged in, other than to say these people fit any sane person's definition of pure evil. I don't know how else you could package it. I also firmly believe that if the US were to disappear tomorrow they would find some other object of their hatred, so I hope no one is fooling themselves by thinking some kind of appeasement might be in order.
uglyengineer 2 years ago
It's a bullshit brand of superstition followed by a bullshit culture.
200 years from now the rest of the civilized world will be advanced in many areas - these Islamic assholes will still be dressed in robes, bending over & praying to imaginary characters.
They have nothing of value to offer. The hammer should be dropped on them once & for all.
We should no longer treat them as rouge fanatics, but members of very dangerous organized crime families.
psychomajic666 2 years ago
Excuse me, do you have any idea on History before running your freedom of speech upon a Culture that freed the Europe from the Dark Ages, Do you have any idea on the advancements made by Muslim Scholars in the field of Science & Technology, plz do refer the Patent Office or some simple eazy to Understand videos on youtube on that Topic.
We are in Economic Recession due to our own Greedy Political world domination psychology disrespecting human life & values.
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"Do you have any idea on the advancements made by Muslim Scholars in the field of Science & Technology, plz do refer the Patent Office or some simple eazy to Understand videos on youtube on that Topic."
The radical islamic movement are not the same as the Muslims that invented Algebra. They're teaching death in the radical mosques. Saladin was actually quite temperate and would probably be ashamed of the crap being taught by the radical groups.
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TheMercilessEye 2 years ago
The one concern I have arising from this tragedy is the possibility that what might result are limitations of free speech imposed on men and women in uniform. It's not that I want more lunatics in uniform saying the kinds of things
CrappyCartoons 2 years ago
I hear you, but on the other hand our armed forces don't really have a place in these debates. They do when they vote, but that needs to be the limit. A military that gets bogged down in free speech issues for its rank and file can't be an effective fighting force. Their first mission is defense of their country.
uglyengineer 2 years ago
From what I understand - One of the things Hasan did was to post his opinion about the dignity of suicide bombers. I totally disagree with his opinion, but I do not think that his being in the military denies his right of free speech. I understand that there are limits and restrictions placed upon military personnel. However, the constitution which they risk their lives to protect does not stop protecting them.
CrappyCartoons 2 years ago
Hasan was a special case, as a commissioned officer he gets a little more leeway in voicing his opinion. This would be especially important in his case as a psychologist, he had certain responsibilities to academia post research results, etc., and that requires access to free speech. That he chose to spiel on about religion and politics is sad, but the main point is he had privilege over and above enlisted and non-comms to say what he wanted to say. The cons. has little to do with this btw.
uglyengineer 2 years ago
The constitution does indeed protect them, but enlisted still have practical limits on their speech for national security and this is impressed on them by their commanders. Our defense would collapse if soldiers blabbed on about military planning and dismissed orders not to talk by waving around the constitution. It simply isn't practical.
uglyengineer 2 years ago
While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 758 (1974).
CrappyCartoons 2 years ago
I fully understand the constitutional issues at stake. Hasan's opinions about Islam and even the morality of suicide bombers are neither critical of the US military nor do they fall into the loose lips sink ships. The question with which we are faced is just how far free speech can be denied members of the military.
CrappyCartoons 2 years ago
And I would reply "Pretty far."
uglyengineer 2 years ago
So you are saying that members of the military should be prohibited from making statements about Nihilism?
CrappyCartoons 2 years ago
That twoman on your profile has an udder. Its udderly ridiculous
battim 2 years ago
She is my reminder to always stay abreast of the world situation.
uglyengineer 2 years ago
Trying to look ahead, i hope they dont execute, and make him live in miltary prison till he dies...
Great points, and the flailing reports, still give no reason or merit, for what he did. Thoughts still go to the families and survivors!
cooksterz 2 years ago
It'll be interesting to see where the investigation leads. I assume we'll eventually hear from him. I agree his freedom of speech was protected, but also think the military had some recourse if they were aware of his attitudes. I tend to agree with battim that he's probably just a nut job... Calling military personnel murderers is just childish and hateful.
ReluctantRedneck 2 years ago
So, you think Lee Harvey Hasan was a "half assed Jihadi?"
He could have just filed a lawsuit like Erin Watada, and got out of being deployed, but instead of just fililng a lawsuit, the media is insisting this recently promoted MAJOR in the US ARMY, set for deployment, who frequents STRIP CLUBS, decided to go "jihadi" and kill Americans.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! And he just so happens to use the only handgun in the world that leaves the same ballistics as an M-16 or M-4! 200+rounds!
FreeinTX 2 years ago
Frequenting strip clubs indicates a lot of things. Subjugation of women as sexual objects is not foreign to islam, its literally written into sharia law. Burkhas are nothing more than an excuse for rape. As if women exposing their faces is the cause of the transgression. He did try to gwt out of deployment and file for conscietious objector status. What are you implying happened?
battim 2 years ago
battim,
A person who frequents a strip club, is NOT going to commit religious and suicidal "jihadi." It may be an indication of a lot of things but NONE of them have anything to do with religious fanaticism. As for what happened, I don't know what happened, they won't tell us. but rumor has it, .... I'll post that on your channel.
FreeinTX 2 years ago
Do you know what the 911 pilots were doing the week before it happened? Do the research. They were in strip joints drinking vodka. I suppose preists don't touch kids either
battim 2 years ago
battim,
Here a expression I'm sure you've heard before, 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! The hi-jackers in FL, who lived in MILITARY BASE HOUSING in Pensacola, not only got drunk at strip clubs, they hired hookers, did coke! And they could barely even fly a Cessna.
You need to do some research, about the governments use of PASTY's!!! Blame the Muslim, blame the Muslim, doesn't matter that they are NOT Muslim, doesn't matter that they show NO INDICATION of being radical, blame the Muslim, right?
FreeinTX 2 years ago
You are simply paranoid. You fucking people are laughed at the wolrd over. Can you name one...just one...academic sooucre that agrees with the 911 truthers? Anywhere in the world? Making up fairy tales and repeating them doesn't make them true.
battim 2 years ago
Well Tim, anti-conspiracists can make all kinds of claims about fuel burning, but you need to explain how Bldg. 7, devoid of any personnel, magically got dropped like a house of cards at the behest of Silverstein. Explain that, then I will listen to anti-conspiricist babble. Really dig into #7, and your perspective will never be the same again.
BlakeMason2 2 years ago
blake, egnieers and architects the world over have explained it over and over again. academic sourcing is available everywhere. academic sourcing agreeing with conspiracy claims does not exist.
battim 2 years ago
battim,
Are you serious? Just one academic source?
GIVE ME A BREAK!!! Search Niels Harritt and Steven Jones. That's two MULTIPLE PEER REVIEWED, scientific published studies!!!
Architechs and Engineers for 9/11 truth has several THOUSAND licensed architechs and engineers that disagree with the "official findings" of the NIST commisison.
Even 60% of the 9/11 commission are calling the "official story" a CRIMINAL COVER-UP!!! The top guy calls for CHARGES!
You not that DUMB, are you?
FreeinTX 2 years ago
Steven jones is teaching where? Lol. Peer reviewed by other conspiracists? The bulk of these thousands were shown to be mostly made up. You ignore the millions of engineers that disagree. Lol. And your lie about 60 percent of the 911 commission is cpomical. The only thing dumb is that you don't know what consensus opinion is. Those cources are not academic or backed by one academic instituiton. Not one.
battim 2 years ago
battim,
The STEVEN JONES paper was peer reviewed at BYU three times.
The Harritt paper was peer reviewed at the University of Copenhagen. You can read it yourself, and see the unreacted nano-thermite YOURSELF!!!
Can you link me to a place where, "millions of engineers" have stated that they have looked at, and agree with the "official story?" I don't believe that statement is accurate at all. in fact, several of the "Popular Mechanics" scientists have SUED to get their name off that crap!
FreeinTX 2 years ago
it was reviewed, then they fired him. nanothermite is not used in demos. it is used in welding, and steel building are welded so therefore...
again can you name on department of physics or engineering anywhere that comes to the consensus it was a demo? no. and the part about popular mechanics is a lie.
you are simply lying now. look, academic sources.
battim 2 years ago
battim,
You cannot sit there and type that nano-thermite is "not used for demos." I mean, what in the hell are you doing, man? Okay let me explain this again.
You can get a copy of the Harritt paper, and LOOK AT THE PICTURES OF THE SH-T YOURSELF!
You can be the "peer" and review it, if you want to. That PM article was written by a NAZI whose related to another NAZI in our government. The very NAZI that got the top NAZI position in the newly created DHS!!! It is RIDDLED with BLATANT BS!
FreeinTX 2 years ago
I am not an engineer so I am not a peer. The physics dapartment at byu did review it. Then they fired him. Noone else hired him in anacademic setting. Blatant bs is you. Find one commercial demo company that uses nanothermite to demolish buildings. Lol. Just one demo company.
battim 2 years ago
As for the 60%
just do a search with "9/11 Commission Members Doubt Official 9/11 Story"
READ THEIR QUOTES YOUSELF!!!
Here's one, "Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagons initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate."
FreeinTX 2 years ago
lol. first of all how is that 60 percent? second of all...you are lying now.
alex jones is not academic sourcing and you are lying. its boring.
battim 2 years ago
That is not 60 percent and none of those folks you claim say those things will verify they said them. Where's the video of them saying that? The video is abouit fort hood. 911 conspiracists are fringe and ignore science and reason. Where did any of them say it was an inside job? None of them said that. Nanothermite is not used in controlled demos. Find me one commercial demo site that claims they uise them. They do not. You won't talk me into it. Sorry. I choose science
battim 2 years ago
I have not read all the posts, so I don't know if someone else has already made this point. You say people have a right to free speech, true; but not if you are in the military. And for that matter, free speech does not mean you can say what ever you want and still keep your job.
jason0015 2 years ago
This is such a hard topic. On one hand I'm a firm believer in the 1st amendment and believe that people have the rights to their views regardless of how distasteful they may be to me.
On my second hand I think Fundamentalists of all stripes are dangerous, but Islamic Fundamentalists are especially fucking scary...
... but then on my third hand, that last thing I want is for this to be fuel for the hysterical anti-muslim right crowd.
I think I have too many hands there.
lazlo5149 2 years ago
you gotta read the conspiracy theories underneath your comment already coming out.....its absolutely incredible.
battim 2 years ago
I'm going to jump to the conclusion the dude was a brainwash job by CIA controllers at Virginia Tech. (Obviously) He was promoted, despite full knowledge of his philosophical positions. The "political correctness" thing is a BS cover. Yeah right, they knew he was radical but were afraid to say anything for fear of being politically incorrect. BS!
It's supposed to incite the racist religious hate the fuels the "war on terror". I'm astonished by the storm of propaganda.
It's a psyop
Peace Battim
rayofminneapolis 2 years ago
It is a very good guess. They do use mind control in the MKUltra program But in this case he was against the war and harrassed to his limit because it's not tolerable to be anti-war in the military.
PaulLayton1102 2 years ago
A good guess? Paranoid delusions based on notihng are not good guesses. They are paranoid delusionsIt
battim 2 years ago
Based on nothing? I'm not paranoid. My "guess" is based on the known mind control programs at Virgina Tech. And it's just obvious when you see how the media is playing it. It's a straight propaganda campaign. People get teased all the time, it takes some real programing, phyco-phama drugs, and triggers for a guy to go killing. And what happened to multiple shooters / suspect dead? He's a text book Manchurian candidate. I'm suprized you can't see the plain purpose is to incite "terrorist hate".
rayofminneapolis 2 years ago
From his position at the Center for the Study of Traumatic Stress, Major Hasan became one of the originators of what is called the US Army's Warrior Combat Reset Program set up to help American soldiers returning from war zones, or being redeployed to them, cope with what is called post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and which according to these reports led to his being at Fort Hood to electronically prepare an experimental group of US Soldiers for their return to the Iraq war zone.
rayofminneapolis 2 years ago
the plain purpose of what? the plain purpose of a man who apparently for some time harbored animosity for the institution that employed him for agression against people of his faith? are you implying the columbine kids were programmed or were being force fed drugs? were they the triggers that caused 911 too? your conclusions are paranoid.
battim 2 years ago
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TheMercilessEye 2 years ago
It isn't based on nothing. He said "I'm going to jump to conclusion" MKULTRA is real not a delusion so his guess is based on known immoral CIA tactics. Your responce is quite insulting. You ask for opinions but if they don't mesh with yours you trash them. That is an elitist shill attitude. Talk in lamens terms for starters. We get that your educated. But education has nothing to do with wisdom and descernment. You have the education. I have the wisdom. Your opinion is no longer valid.
PaulLayton1102 2 years ago
Insulting? Certainly. You, as well as Ray are simply rationalizing murder. That, if nothing else, is a good reason to insult.
battim 2 years ago
Well I'm not easily insulted so good luck with that. I just see it as a misunderstanding, I will try to explain again. With FACTS, mind you. (And if I might, it is you whom is trying to rationalize murder, ascribing Major Hasans reasons. We both know there is no rational.) I'm just saying it's obvious the event is a psyop.
Yes, I do imply the columbine kids were mind controlled, as was the Virginia Tech student Seung-Hui Cho. Maybe it's to far out for you to believe there are such programs.....
rayofminneapolis 2 years ago
It's well funded by DARPA and documented that Virginia Tech is the top mind control research area. I don't fault you for not knowing. Whatever, but it's not me being paranoid and delusional. It's just what exists. Gathering more information, you come to understand that he was one of the US Militaries top PSYOP specialists. Meanwhile the media is cramming stuff in your head about his harbored animosity, well then why was he promoted? CLUE: Not because FBI was afraid to speak up. His controllers..
rayofminneapolis 2 years ago
Ita delusional to asssume what you are assuming based on the evidence provided. There is no evidence he took driugs,no evidence he was involved in mind control and no evidence he was involved in psyop. His clearance wasn't thar high. You would be surprised how mundane psyop is...you watch too many syfy movies. Alex jones would be proud of you though
battim 2 years ago
Btw you are making shit up. He, first of all, was a clinical psychologist, not psyop. And if he were "one of the top" psops guys (if you only knew how silly you look) he would have gotten 6 month psyop training (he did not).
battim 2 years ago
I'm just going on what I read, and how I interpret. I don't care if I look silly or make Alex Jones proud.
Congratulations on having a comment storm almost as interesting as when Israel bombed the Gaza Strip last year.
I read that this Hasan guy did his medical internship at Walter Reed, and Graduated from Virginia Tech Universitys Center for Applied Behavior Systems with a degree in biochemistry... He then became top researcher at the US Center for the Study of Traumatic Stress. (continued)
rayofminneapolis 2 years ago
(information continues) Major Hasans research specialty was one called Radio Hypnotic Intracerebral Control Electronic Dissolution of Memory (RHIC-EDOM). Used to "reset" traumatized warriors for redeployment.
There is another case of this going wrong in Russia resulting in masses of Russian troops who were undergoing these experiments to erupt in immediate violence leaving 37 of them dead when they (for no apparent reason) began firing upon each other.
If that shit isn't psyops, what is?
rayofminneapolis 2 years ago
Because most of what you are saying, there is no record of it, you read it on conspiracy websites. lol. you got his academic training wrong as well. there is nothing in his military record about your conspiratorial anagram. none of what you are saying is true, so your "facts" are simply regurgitated messages from conspiracy website. source your claims.
battim 2 years ago
what you read is a lie. he was never trained in psyop. According to records, Hasan first enrolled at Virginia Tech for a summer session in 1992. He completed his coursework in the spring of 1995. Hasan received a Bachelor of Science degree with honors in biochemistry from the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences. His minor was in biology and chemistry. No Applied behavioral scinece at VA tech.
battim 2 years ago
btw, ray "Radio Hypnotic Intracerebral Control Electronic Dissolution of Memory" is a made up term for an old myth about the soviet union that conspiracists used to explain why oswald killed kennedy. digging up old scifi garbage that simply doesn't exist is not a product of PSYOP (if you only knew how silly you sound, PSYOPS is such a mundane field) its a product of someone imagination. no more, no less. these conclusions you came to are on every conpsiracy site. its not your idea at all.
battim 2 years ago
Well there is simply no evidence. Speculative guesswork based on nothing but circumstantial nonsense. There is simply nothing to indicate this. The man is still alive and his family isn't indicating any such thing. Connecting disparate facts and ignoring other facts. Like he was in contact with american born yemenese clerics who support jihad seems like conveniant fact finding. Science looks at all facts not just one that support the claim
battim 2 years ago
Those facts were not ignored. They are fully integrated. However, I believe they prove something different to us both.
I am not a scientist.
rayofminneapolis 2 years ago
you have also fully integrated myths that have no basis of truth. he never studied behavioral science at virginia tech, he went to undergad there, he never worked on memory mind wiping. the things you point to as "facts" are fabrications literally created out of thin air. there is no record of any of that. it simply doesnt exist except on conspiracy websites
battim 2 years ago
The first amendment should not protect Men in the army, A soldier can't go around preaching against his own country cause his uniform obligates him to represent the organization and country.
Here he would have been dishonorably discharged, but not arrested, and maybe he wouldn't have acess to the guns.
Ranblv 2 years ago
The guns were not military issue. There seems to be some question as to why he was not discharged. This guy wouldn't have made it past the security check in IDF
battim 2 years ago
Dude, People are free to be racist and express their feelings on the issue if asked. It doesn't mean you have to like them, they are just that way and have the right to be that way. When movements and religions start talking about some violent end game scenario where they will rule, it is cause for concern, these people are openly stating they are a threat in your future. They might say PeeWee Herman was the second coming and plot to kill the infidels. I get alittle pre-emptive with these sorts.
AlexGrim 2 years ago
We all have a right to speak out against this illegal occupation. It is our duty to stop the criminal elements that dictate to the loyal soldiers who believe they are fighting an enemy. The CIA finance and trained Taliban and Al Qaeda. They also convinced the anti-Taliban in afghanastan to put down their weapons and they were wiped out. Why do troops guard the poppi feilds? Why has the drug trade soared since our occupation? How many innocent children, mothers, fathers etc have we killed?
PaulLayton1102 2 years ago
We have the right to speak against things we don't like, but not to openly conspire to take over the world at some later date. It just seems stupid to let people openly recruit people that will eventually organize and attack, no guessing, they say that is their goal. They are just waiting for their best chance. C'mon
AlexGrim 2 years ago
jUST BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE EVIDENCE THAT i HAVE FOUND DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY LESS TRUE. He was outspoken against this war and he was harrassed. I also am against all wars.
PaulLayton1102 2 years ago
Its conjecture until there is evidence. Its the definition of the word conjecture
battim 2 years ago
omg. My evidence was aquired by research. Testmonies by his friends and his minister all say he was vocal against this illegal and immoral occupation. His car was vandalized and he received threatening letters saying he is the son of a monkey. He was a good soldier pushed to his limits. It is obvious to me and my research is thorough. I don't lie and this isn't conjecture.
PaulLayton1102 2 years ago
So harsh words justify mass murder in your world?
battim 2 years ago
L♥ve it!! Great video! you always give me things to think about..
sunsetlover 2 years ago
Reformation of Islam would be nice but 95+% of Muslims dont believe Islam is in need of reformation...that the problem lies with the rest of the world so dont buy tickets to the post-reformation party just yet. "Protestant Muslims" who wish to reform Islam run into a brick wall called the Quran every time they try and are labeled Heretic and marked for death(Muslims still believe in murdering apostates). BTW...there are more Militant Muslims in the USA than all the others you mentioned combined.
wideawake123 2 years ago
As for your "freedom of expression" our President's dear friend Bill Ayers was a founder of the "Weather Underground you mentioned and he expressed his beliefs by bombing the Capitol...is That free speech(certainly his stating he wished he had done more bombings in his NY Time interview is..)? There is no such thing as Freedom of Speech in the military. Their job is to fight for Your freedom of speech. The pictures of posters from London are 2 years old from the Mohammad Cartoon Riots/protests.
wideawake123 2 years ago
Bill ayers needs to go to prison for his self admitted crimes. There are expression limits, but not in academic circles in the military. The point of the posters is that this form of islam is not isolated.
battim 2 years ago
Appparently we agree, but referring to this as a "form of Islam" suggests a need to familiarize yourself with it's fundamental doctrines. The terms and strategies, rules and regulations within Islam...a guidline for every single solitary aspect of a Muslim's life including how to conduct themselves when living in enemy territory(the West would be enemy territory BTW) These demonstrations are simultaniously orchestrated events that occur worldwide coordinated through mosques and the internet.
wideawake123 2 years ago
Yes. The internet is a breeding ground for this. I am familiar with it and disagree with the way we have engaged it, and are engaging it policy wise. Proclaiming islam as a religion of peace is beyond logic.
battim 2 years ago
Rather than see it as a breeding ground, look at it as a means of instantly communicating marching orders to millions worldwide. Thats how often illiterate Muslims in Indonesia/Pakistan wind up in front of a camera protesting and holding signs in English Friday after prayers. The orders come down to the Mosques on Thurs>the signs are made>while Juma is held a few men go out and torch a car which brings the press>they leave the mosques primed and ready to protest and the press is there already.
wideawake123 2 years ago
Well indonesia is a place I lived for some time and have a great deal of experience in. Indonesia is decidely secular and are voting out muslim factions every election. Any tshirt shop in bali or jakrta has nothing but tshirts on sale with bin laden with targets on his head. The bulk of indonesia is very proamerican (they did a mock inauguration of obama that millions attended). Things are changing there...its an open society chock full of western influence. The press is pro west
battim 2 years ago
That whole T-shirt thing is the inverse of the photos I saw immediately following the tsunami. I distinctly remember seeing a least 1 person in pictures wearing a bin Laden T-shirt. Either way Indonesia has "white laws" that ban anti-Islamic statements on the web, a blogger I know that lives there told me if they catch him he'd get 10 years in prison. Also, are you familiar with the case of "The 3 Rebaccas"? They remain in prison(I believe), but the Bali bombing imam(Bashir?) is already out.
wideawake123 2 years ago
e after the tsunami. You saw a snap shot...a tiny one, of a country the size of the usa. Im I'msure you could find similiar things in nyc. The white laws you speak of are not enforced. Noone has ever been jailed for them. Three of the bali bombers were put to death. The one who got out popinted to islamic camps in aceh that were mutilated. Your persepctive ios scewed
battim 2 years ago
Sorry it was cut off...I was there after the tsunami, I was literally stopped and bought beers simply for being american after the aid we gave them. White laws protect all religions not just islam. Europe has similiar laws.
battim 2 years ago
On a previous profile I had the video of the trial of the "3 Rebeccas" posted. Are you familiar with this case? Also while I'm aware of the ideals, I'm pointing to glaring cases that contradict the "All's well in Denmark"(probably not good mentioning Denmark) picture. Apparently, 3 Christian women were imprisoned for several years for allowing Muslim children to attend a Christian picnic. Am I distorting the facts? Are Churches burned in Indonesia?
wideawake123 2 years ago
Churches are not burned in indonesia by the government. Churches are burned in the usa. It is illegal in indonesia to evangelize. Regardless of your religion. You brings up isolated cases that happen regionally (its an island nation, local automony superceded federal authority quite a bit). Mosques have been burned by christians in aceh too. That said the cathloic church is huge in indonesia and has strong political influence. There are more catholics in indo than the usa...for now.
battim 2 years ago
Indonesia justice is extremely corrupt and susceptible to threats and coersion, as in all developing nations. It is my understanding the a not guilty sentence would have meant death for these women. Minority extremist elements threats are easily carried out in a system that 100 dollars can buy justice. The sentence may have saved their lives. Certainly that is the case with many crime sydicates that influence justice. Look at the yakuza in japan or the mafia in russia.
battim 2 years ago
that said i just spent almost a mnoth there in february and found society in jakrta and bali to be even more liberalized than the 90s. the council of mullahs have been overridden by the secular supreme court many times. pointing to isolated regional cases that are coerced is not the norm
battim 2 years ago
"You cant lock up Maj. Hasan for expressing himself..." No, but you can sure as hell discharge him from the army for the beliefs he espoused.
"...the narni sect in Islam that thinks [...] for whatever reason."
So basically, you haven't the faintest idea about the subject you wish to editorialize on...am I right? You use clips of talking heads who may or may not have a clue as well... "Narni Sect"? as in Narnia? Is that where this would eventually lead? Hasan should have been discharged.
wideawake123 2 years ago
They can discharge him for anything they want really. I never mentioned any narni sect. I used the term nardy...its east coast slang for nasty.
battim 2 years ago
"Nardy"? I'm from NJ, and not really familiar with that term...nevertheless it would behoove you to research the motivations of his and the rest's attacks on the world in general. It has much less to do with sectarian issues than it does the fundamental doctrines of the Islamic political movement. Start with this: fundamentally, Islam is a political movement 1st and foremost. Stop looking at Hasan and his ilk like religious nuts and start looking at them like a political enemies at war with us.
wideawake123 2 years ago
Wide. I certainly do understand the how these ideologies are responsible for violence. I've done quite a few videos on the disguting nature of the koran and it confuses me as to why the media and the government is so concerned with confronting that. Islamism is as scary, if not more so, than stalinism or nazism.
battim 2 years ago
Picture the Nazi under Hitler's orders with the internet as a way of communicating to sabateurs and spies instantly around the world. That what we have today. Now add to that a reluctance on our part to even speak the name of or fully confront the nature of our antagonists(Islamism). "War on Terror" has the same logical meaning as "War on Blitzkrieg" meaning none... because blitkrieg and terrorism are tactics, and you can't defeat an ideology simply by defeating one of it's tactics.
wideawake123 2 years ago
Nations need to grow some balls & declare a war on the ideology itself.
Why is it so wrong to stand up & say: "You people are primitive, credulous, superstitious cowards who have no place in the civilized world."
We shouldn't have to put out lives in danger in the name of "tolerance".
If you're dressed like Jesus & praying to phantoms for the destruction of civilized societies - you don't need to live among us.
psychomajic666 2 years ago
I've missed a lot of news items in the last couple days (other things on my plate), so I can't comment on that at this point.
But in terms of your question about monitoring... it's not a bad idea. Being aware of potential threats is just plain smart. And, if anyone - individual or group - is publicly announcing they want an entire population to die? Good grief.
I love how they're insulting others and calling for the death of anyone who insults them.
OhCurt 2 years ago
it is unfortunately the price of Free Speech...you either protect it all or throw it to the wind. it is a slippery slope when you start deciding what is allowed to be said and what is not allowed to be said.
1n354a 2 years ago
My question is this: If that was protected by his First Amendment Rights, Why is there "Free Speech" Zones at Political rallies?
OlGreyWolf58 2 years ago
I support the first ammentment completely. People should not be afraid to state how they feel- get up on your soap box and share! The point is WE ALL give eachother the equal right to our own opinions! If somone preaches violence against someone they are stating that they want to violate the guaranteed right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! It is a threat and should be treated as such.
Sabrnig 2 years ago
Perhaps a person who makes threats should be labeled as such. Isn't there a way to fairly do that? I don't know. Plenty of activists get arrested and I think if you have been arrested you can't buy firearms? Any KKK member who makes threats should have a criminal record that prevents them from serving on a jury, becoming a judge, buying a gun etc. That will teach them to hold their tongue!?!
Sabrnig 2 years ago
Scarlet letter. Hmmm. Activists aren't arrested because of expression violations.
battim 2 years ago
Well in the army you aren't allowed to soapbox. Apparently his comments were done privately or in ana cademic forum. I have yet to see evidence of a direct threat that was given to attention to his commanding officers
battim 2 years ago
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TheMercilessEye 2 years ago
well academia is treated differently in the corps. the army i am unaware. prosyletsizing is illegal. political correctness seems to have played a part in avoiding an larger issue here. sadly, i dont think that will change.
battim 2 years ago
It's sad how the militant Muslims go around and be militant then demand respect. :/
ElDeclan 2 years ago
Yes. Its typical.
battim 2 years ago
OK OK he wasn;t a wack job. He was harrassed in Fort hood. They don't know anything because they haven't looked or listened. Geesh even I know why. He got a letter saying he was the son of a monkey. His car was vandelized. He was pushed and pushed to his brink because he was against the illegal war and for that he was pushed too far. Due to the fact that he was Muslim they excellerated harrasment. The news doen't look at the facts they just say we don;t know why. Then how come I was able?
PaulLayton1102 2 years ago
I don't recall seeing anything that is evidence of what you are saying. Even his muslim chaplain said he never complained of harrassment. If you want to look at facts perhaps conjecture on your part is no different than what you are blaming others on.
battim 2 years ago
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TheMercilessEye 2 years ago
mr layton also believes in Radio Hypnotic Intracerebral Control Electronic Dissolution of Memory and seems to think hasan was an expert in it. lol. seriously. can you believe they dig this shit up from oswald conspiracies? its amazing that conspiracists aren't even being original any more.
battim 2 years ago
From the standpoint of a military man who was on duty at the time of this incident, I was far more appalled by the fact he was able to get a weapon than his speech. No, we don't have the right to stop him from talking, that's the beauty and achilles heel of our country. We also don't need to give armory clearance to such an individual. It would never have been permitted on my base, nor likely in the Marine Corps.
What happened was tragic, but I fault bad practice of regulations, not religion.
DantarBlade 2 years ago
he bought the weapon at a private gun store. it was not military issued.
battim 2 years ago