@dikensteign Your are so dumb. Gay people can have family and marriage. The straight women gave birth and raised the gay man. Suck on that butt buddy :)
Some faith driven groups are attempting to prevent adults from entering into legal contracts i.e. civil unions, due to their gender. Im not one to get caught up in nomenclature as long as marriage and civil union entail the same rights for all.
Jesus is coming very very soon! Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination (Lev.18:22) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Lev.20:13)
Wasn't there something in the bible about not marking your body with ink or tattoos? Oh no! The government is going to tell me what to do with my body just because of a few words they find in some religious book!
You can't accept differences either, Historypeats. Unless you come out and support my incestuous polygamous marriage. I'm not hurting anybody, but I don't hear resounding support for my rights.
This is a civil rights issue! I should be able to marry anybody I want if it's consenting! How can you say it should be changed for you, but not for me. If it's all about love, then why do you think your love is more deserving? You're just like those saying gays can't marry.
I never said I didn't accept incestuous marriage. I'm a gay marriage supporter. I'm sorry if what I said came out to make you believe that I wasn't. Go on and be happy, then. You can prove gay marriage to be wrong, but you cannot prove why it should be illegal. Before hating on me, try to understand what that sentence means.
Oh yeah. And one more thing... Is the only reason you don't support gay marriage is that you can't marry your sibling? That's a pretty cold and heartless reason. It makes you sound very selfish. The only reason why there are more gay marriage supporters is that a pretty fine percentage of people are gay and want to be a family. If you are being sarcastic to prove a point, it's not working. Marry whoever you want as long as they can sign a contract and are at least the age of 18.
Hey I have to admit you guys are right. We should treat everybody exactly equal. Any discrimination is wrong. I'm convinced. Hey, I'm going to go down and demand that I can marry my brother and my sister if I want. Who's coming to support me? I'm not hurting anybody. You'll all stand with me? Let me hear you all support! Come on, loud and proud!
This is a civil rights issue! I should be able to marry anybody I want if it's consenting! Stand up for incestuous marriage now!
California HAS SPOKEN! WE do not want it.... shut up now... you had your chance and majority vote says "NO SAME SEX MARRIGES". Stop forcing it down our throats
ur a fucking idiot, i voted yes on prop 8 but this proposition wasnt about gay bashing, it was for defining marriage for whats its been all these years, it was also to keep the kids from learning about gay marriage in school, you are the kind of person that made this proposition look bad, you fucking stupid low life!
Just FYI, read the CA education code. If gays are "married" nearly all CA schools would have to teach respect for marriage, which would naturally include gay marriage. Jack O'Connle is a liar.
So parents don't like what their kids are learning. It's not illegal for them to remove their children from schools if they dislike what their kids are being taught.
Check out that San Fran field trip to see the gay marriage. Parents were not consulted first. Also, there's some question as to whether parents could actually remove their children from classes if gay unions were considered legally the same as marriages.
The bible clearly states that homesexuality is "An abomination". God IS a God of love but he hates sin! God does love homesexuals, murderers, rapists, thieves and prostitutes etc....But he hates the sin they commit. Study the bible in it's entirety; you will see that for yourself.
The Teacher's Union, what a bunch of imbeciles. Why not put all of that money in education - buying textbooks, notebooks, pens and book bags for the poor children. Rather, they spent millions of dollars to fund sin and immorality!
they also can't make children with the person they love, get over it god and nature does not like you, gay's getting married is pointless, buy a friendship neckles or something like that and pass out.
yes they should because an heterosexual infertile couple can be a perfect candidate to adopt and successfully raise a child.. a gay male couple cant do that.
studies have been don,facts don't lie. gaythingy is a bad thing, gay people and activities should not encouraged.being gay is not a normal thing, don't expect a normal life.
Vote YES on Prop 8. It restores the definition of marriage to what the majority of California voters already approved and what they agree should be supported. It overturns the outrageous decision of 4 activist Court judges who ignored the voters. It protects children from being taught in school that same-sex marriage is the same as traditional marriage, and prevents consequences to Californians who will be forced to be tolerant of gay lifestyles, regardless of their beliefs.
Prop 8 supporters are not bigots. A bigot is defined as: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
We are tolerant of gay couples, the state of California already recognizes civil unions. We just don't want you to have license to peddle your deviance and perversion to kids.
Deviance and perversion are defined as deviating or departing from the norm and changed to or being of an unnatural or abnormal kind respectively.
Up until now I have never had any problem with Gays,I DONT HATE ANYBODY, but I feel that back in 2002 It was the will of the people that voted against same sex marriage. Then some Judges say nope your vote did not mean a darn thing. Then why Vote people. Also I dont want my son who is only 6 years old to be exposed to any type of sexaul choice, He is only 6....dont you get it. I feel as though all this is getting shoved down my throat and thats why I'm Voting Yes ON 8, my kids come first.
the guy is a jerk...he is saying he has to protect freedom, democracy, justice. Freedom- well we have the freedom to VOTE NO ON PROP 8.Oh and he is stupid because you said your gf and you have been FOR FIVE YEARS (btw im not gay and wow thats a long time)
I don't have anything against Gay people but i cannot support a sin in the eyes of GOD and being gay is clearly a sin, and why is it necessary to teach our kids about Gay marriage keep it in your bedroom live in sin in your own home don't make it worse by laughing in GOD'S face and marry in his house. "VOTE YES ON 8"
God, created us. God gave us free will. God let us do what we wish on this planet as long as we love him, and realize he is our true creator.
Following rules in a book that was made 2000 years ago by sexist, racist men is not something we should do. If god denied Same sex relationships so much, then why are they happy? Why are they ok? Wouldn't god do something about it?
Let them do what they wish. We are all equal, its their life, not yours. And God isn't a crude evil god like you make it
Listen to me Cumlips McSissypants. I don't care if you are gay or not. I dont even care if you get married to another dude.
But sister we live in America where the will of the people is what dictates the law. 4 judges should not have overturned the will of over 4,000,000 good Californians.
When our vote means nothing, we don't have freedom. Read your constitiution.
Yes on 8 Yes on 8 Put fags in their rightful place HELL They are sick perverted people trying to offend GOD Mayor Gavin Newsome from San Franciso reminds me of Al Pacino in the Devils Advocate GAY is wrong wrong wrong sick bassards. Matter of fact Your a sick fck too
Seriously...how can anyone be against gay marriage?How messed up is that?What are all the children raised by gay parents to think?That they're not normal?Nice way to scar a person.
My god, YOU ARE part of the people who push the yes on 8.. Deceptive as can be... WOW. I am sad to know God even lets people like you live let alone to vote. And what do you say about the st8 child molestors? or the church?? huh? nothing huh... go suck something and get a life... people like you must have come from the mid west... im sure your going to vote mccain.. sad..
It's like were going back to the beginning again. I mean it!
discriminating against homosexual falls under the same category as discriminating against colored people, undocumented people etc. etc. Can you imagine children growing up learning these things? Were guna have another problem in the future!
Oh really? Do you know my education level, or what kind of degrees I have? I didn't think so. Education has nothing to do with morals and standards. Voting on something that violates the separation of church and state and state is also something that I think is evil. You are marked by the beast.
Dear Queer (new rap song) This is your fate to end all the hate. Now lets close the gate. Boys on boys dont equate when you consummate, at least in this State. So, before its too late, find an opposite mate. Take her on a date, you will feel great. No need to masturbate. Now vote YES on Prop 8!
Yes actually it will give teachers the liberty to teach about same sex marriage as they "see fit" as being part of marriage, I have already spoken to teachers who state that as it would change the definition of marriage and thus the curriculum of what is taught students as young as 5 and there is no option for parents to "opt out" the ones who have in Massachusetts have even been arrested for non-compliance Ie: not allowing their children to be taught this curriculum.
I know but homosexuals only see the world as HOMOSEXUAL VS HETEROSEXUAL!
...and that's EVIL and LUSTFUL...and having special rights for "sexuals behaviors" only because it "FEELS GOOD" and because it's "COOL"!....that's immorally wrong and denigrates the survival of human civilization regardles of creed, color, nationality, race, etc! I have to protect DEMOCRACY, LIBERTY, JUSTICE, AND FREEDOM ...
Hence, I'm VOTING "YES" ON PROPOSITION 8 IN CALIFORNIA ON NOVEMBER 4th!
I will be posting a video that you can add to your advertisement shortly :). BTW, I can't see the advertisement statement on the side, so I'm writing it down as you speak, and then I will say it on the video in my own way :).
I just put up my "Vote No on Prop 8" sign in my front yard. Nearly everyone else has a "Vote Yes on Prop 8" sign in their yard in my neighborhood, as well as other neighborhoods in my area. My area is very right-wing and Conservative. In fact, I think someone walked past a few minutes after I put the sign up, and yelled, "Boooooo!!" in a nasty way. OMG, people...what the heck??
I have to volunteer for at least four hours in order to get it, but it's worth it.
No on Prop 8 that is what i say every one should have the Right to get married to the one that that love the most no matter if it is a man or a woman or ether they are straight, Gay or Bisexual( and yes i'm Bi)-Sandie
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO on PROP 8!!!!!!!! stupid people what does the bible or its unholy have to do with this... its about gay peoples rite!! constitution duh.. silly ppl.. yea n umm cursing, and blah blah blah is a sin.. gay is a sin we all sin.. we are sinners... so stfu ppl.. Vote NO on PROP 8!!
How does marriage have any bearing on you getting your fudge packed? We all do sin, but us people that gave our life of sin to GOD to allow us forgiveness have something called foundation and morals. I think people like you are heterophobic ,and need to see the consequences of this stupid power struggle to feel normal. I think I will fight for the right to marry my dog and be the first beastsexual couple. How do you like them apples? Now get bent and lick my jewish asshole.
First, I love gay people. I have many gay friends. I am all for equal human rights and that is exactly why I am voting Yes on Prop 8.
I'm voting YES: what will happen if same sex marriage is allowed - nothing for the homosexual community because rights will not be altered, but for me it will change, the law will tell me that my beliefs are contrary to law and be forced to change values practiced in my religion:t That is inequality
This is about a basic human right--the chance for someone to commit themselves to someone they love, to have the right to grow old with them, to be at their hospital bedside, to raise children with them. Would you like to be told you couldn't marry the person you love? If marriage is just about procreation, then do we deny marriage to those who do not want or cannot have children? Fair is fair, right? Who decides what is "wrong" or "unnatural" or "sick"? Not you and not me. Marriage is <3 + <3
We know diversities is good in a society. Separating races is not good and same-sex marriage is actually separating male and female. It's definitely not a good thing.
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I don't hate gay people but I just think gay people need help and therapy. Same-sex marriage is not appropriate and cannot help them solve their problems. Just as the sick people need to see a doctor.
Homosexual is unnatural. Statistic show that many of them were abused as a child and the chance that they will abuse a child after grow up is very high. They should go seek for therapy or counseling instead of getting marry and adopt children.
First of all, you shouldn't care who anyone marries..Do you care when your best friend marries an infertal hag? No,because in the end, its a women. Why should you care if your best friend is marrying another guy, as long as it makes your friend happy? But seeing how ignorant you are, im sure you don't have any gay friends. Family is what you make of it,so if you adopt a child, it's not part of your family? And gay people will be around regaurdless of if they can get married. Get over it.
"that is the way it is" No it apparently isn't the way it is. Otherwise that's how it would be and it's clearly not. "well unless your a freakin alien and dont have ovaries or genitals" Ovaries and genitalia don't dictate sexual orientation love muffin. "there is no third gender" Even though the ancients would disagree with you, third genders have nothing to with two people of the same sex falling in love with each other.
"if one is born male he is biologically made to be compatible with a female" That would be true if the basis of attraction and love was placed on sexual reproduction, and it's not. If one is born a hetero male he is meant for a hetero female. If one is born a gay male then he is meant for another gay male, and so on and so forth.
No one is born a murderer because you have to murder someone first. However there's nothing one has to do to be a homosexual. You're simply born gay or not. Fallacies never get you anywhere love. "You make your own choices" Not about my sexual orientation. "no genes tell us what to do" But they do make us who we are biologically and I'm biologically gay.
It's called being human, and humans want to have romantic companionship, and homosexuals are human beings who want companionship as well. Get over it!"anyone with homosexual tendencies can choose not to follow them" What is a homosexual tendency? And how do you follow it? "no one is born a murderer and no one is born gay either" That's like saying no one is born a murderer and no one is born black either.
"you follow in the act that you choose" I don't know what act you're talking about? "people can be gay and choose not to act it out" There's no such thing as acting out gay or not. Either you're gay or you're not. If you're referring to engaging into relationships, well that's really not your call for other people's lives. Heterosexuals don't have to be in relationships either, and yet most are, or are looking for relationships.
"U alread admitted family was obsolete, and should be removed right" HAHAHAHA I said family was diverse. Not once did I say that the family should be removed, nor did I hint to it. Your seeing what you want to see, not what is really there. Please get out of the clouds and join us back here on planet earth.
"They cannot procreate" And yet they do. "there are no brothers" I'm gay and I have a brother. "or any of the sort except from those who had done this right the first time" More gibberish and no facts. "Gay marriage does nothing and completely removes family all together" Gay marriage does what heterosexual marriage does, and Gay marraige strengthens the family for same sex couples.
"theres nothing blind about believing that a family consists of a mother and father" There is when you think a family MUST include a mother and father to even be considered a family. Especially when it's an opinion, not fact, and based off of misplaced emotion and not fact. "A gay couple cannot have any of that" Actually they can, and they do. Your claims are ridiculous.
However the truth is that all family structures that consist of people who love, comfort, and protect one another as a collective unit are all happy and succesful families, where are applicants can grow in a healthy way to the best of their ability.
"I see them every day, why cant you" Unlike you dikensteign, I've never claimed that families that are different from what my family might be with my wife and kids, are not happy. In fact I acknowledge that there are very successful and happy families that included both heterosexual coupled parenting and same sex coupled parenting. To you family is one or the other, because you're bigotry and ignorance blinds you.
"if you werent so blind and only look for the negatives you can see thousands if not millions of happy families with children all reared by fathers and mothers" And when did I ever claim that there weren't happy heterosexual coupled families? You're the one claiming that there aren't any happy same sex coupled families, but if you weren't so blind and only look for the negatives(that don't exist), you can see hundreds of thousands of happy families with children and same sex parents.
"man+women can" That's great. However it still has nothing to do with this debate, as it didn't when you first mentioned it two days ago. "if you say that is false you are a liar" It is false.
Second of all, there's nothing wrong with being gay, and there's no logical reason why a homosexual cannot have a real family, since the definition of real family is defined by those in the family and not ignorant sods such as yourself. "Gays cannot procreate" Yes they can, just not through their relationship with someone of the same sex.
"raising children to be gay robs them of there understanding of how to have a real family when they grow up" Nobody raises children to be gay. Society raises children to be straight, however as we all can clearly see, that doesn't work on bisexuals or homosexuals, because sexual orientation isn't something that's taught, it's something that's innate. If you don't have the mental capacity to understand these basic fundamentals of sexuality, then I can't take you seriously.
"Dont teach children lies" I won't, which is why children need to learn the opposite of what you're saying. "There can be only one biological mother, the other is nothing more than a baby sitter" Only if you accept that adoptive parents are simply babysitters to their adopted child?
"whats the point of having two mothers" The same point of having two father, or a mother and a father, for love of having parents who love and care for you. "a child cannot belong to two mothers" Yes a child can, just like an adopted child can belong to it's adoptive parents. "Only one can be the real mother while the other is only an imposter" Only if you accept that adoptive parents are imposters to their adoptive child?
"It has only been done for thousands of years" No, there's been all kinds of different family structures for thousands of years. "and your several thousand years late in understanding something that has always been done" Human civilization has existed for roughly 12,000 years, and there's nothing that I'm not understanding. You're the one who can't comprehend that there has and will always be different family structures.
"Thats all the proof that is needed" What proof? You provided no proof, you only made the same unproven cliche assumptions as you have been this whole argument. You're providing everything but evidence and truth.
"Therefore man and women were meant to be together for the proper support of a family." Ummm no. Men and women weren't meant to be together. Heterosexual men and heterosexual women were meant to be together. Gays were meant to be with someone of the same sex, and same sex couples are able to effectively raise children to their fullest potential.
"but that doesnt mean they have to" So they should just pick some random female to help raise their children? You're living in a fantasy world. "he can find another loving wife." Love is not that easy to come by. "A man cannot replace a women at her roles" There are no roles, and neither a man or woman would need to be replaced in a same sex coupled household. The same sex partners ARE the parents, not parental replacements.
Plenty of mothers are lousy at parenting and nurturing. Gender does not automatically make you good at nurturing.
The roles you speak of have evolved. I suppose you're opposed to stay-at-home dads who are playing the "mother" role while mom works? It's about looking at the human potential above and beyond traditional roles.
"Its called having natural sex" No it's called mating and reproduction. Natural sex is any kind of sex having to do with parts of the human body that are used for sexual stimulation. "MORON" HAHAHA, I guess the Ad Hominem attacks make up for your lack of evidence and logic eh?
If my child wishes to find the man who donated the sperm, then they would have my full support and help. "What does he do" What in Tarturus are you talking about? "Only a man+women can create children" Through sexual reproduction yes, but procreation isn't limited to sexual reproduction. So the facts are that hetero and homo couples can biologically have children if they wish.
"You cant replace the two" There's nothing to replace in the first place. Same sex parents aren't replacing male and female, they're simply the child's parents. End of story. "will you deny that child if he/she wants a mom" I'm will be the child's mother, since I'm a female. And if I have a wife, she will also be the child's mother. My children will have both females and males in their life, but they will also have two mothers.
"No male figure can nuture any child better than a mother/women" You apparently haven't met any of the single fathers, single male guardians, or gay men who HAVE nurtured their children as well as woman have. You're talking out of your ass, and you're not providing any proof to back it up. So either provide some viable proof, or accept the fact that you have none.
"they already have for Thousands of years" Who's 'they' and what are you talking about? " child needs a father figure for support" No, a child needs parent figures for support. "a child also needs a mother for only what she can provide" Again, a child needs a parent for they can only provide. You're making these ascertions without providing any evidence. How do you honestly expect me to believe what you say when scientific studies say differently?
"what are you going to do when that kid asks who his/her real mom or dad is" The kid most likely will not ask that, since most children in Gay coupled families don't. However if the child was born out of sexual intercourse b/w a man and a woman, then that child will probably want to know and have a right to know their other biological parent.
"Only a loving mother and father can truely provide for every aspect of a childs life" Prove it? Where's a scientific study that proves that children in heterosexual parenting homes grown up more healthy and well rounded then those in same sex parenting households?
"It still involves imperfect people that make mistakes and sometimes poor choices" If that's the case then you must throw heterosexual parenting in the mix as well based on your logic. Otherwise you can't compare same sex parenting towards families with missing parents. "only one is natural and the other is not" No sweetie, actually same sex parenting and single parenting are both observed in 'NATURE' and therefore natural.
"who stays home" Whoever decides to stay home, or both parents work, like most households with two parents do(especially in these economic times). "Who goes to work" Whoever decides to go to work, or both parents go to work. "Do both guardians work" If that is what they choose to do. "Then whos responsible for nurturing and supporting that child" Both parents.
"Destroy the family and society falls apart." The difference b/w same sex couples and the lack of family in the black community is that the same sex parents will actually be present to raise their children, as where the family in the black community has missing parents. You can't logically compare missing parents to same sex parenting, without providing empirical evidence as to how the two compare. Do you have that proof?
"Why do you insist on changing and demeaning that" I can't change or demean something that doesn't exist(like your definition of family). "ony man+women can create/properly raise children" Prove it? These are your claims, prove that only heterosexuals can create children(while explaining the children that homosexuals have had biologically), and prove that only a man and a woman can raise children sufficiently?
Families consist of hetero couple and kids, same sex couple and kids, single parent and kids, siblings who don't have parents, non blood related family members, grandparent(s) and children, etc. There's not set definition of what a family is, and you can try to prove that all day, but reality is against you.
"Marriage is more than just a relationship between two people" I never said it wasn't. My point is that everything marriage is, homosexuals are fully capable of fufilling marriage responsibilities. "And how is marriage and family diverse" Marriage can and does consist opposite sex couples, same sex couples, and polygamy all around the world.
"um I already mentioned having children was a choice in marriage" Having children is a choice reguardless of marriage. "But no matter what only hetero couples can create children" No, only sperm and eggs can create children. The way one connects those sperm and eggs is diverse and open to people of all sexual orientated couples. "a child deserves a loving mother and a father" No, a child deserves loving parents. Gender doesn't matter, as studies have shown.
"Only a man and a women is capable of that" That's great, however having children yet again, isn't a prerequisite of marriage nor is it a deciding factor in the validity of a relationship. "why so angry eh" I'm not angry. I'm actually quite joyful knowing that my oposition's arguments are pure rubbish. It makes my job all the more easier lol.
"Im sorry that you dont like the truth" If you mean 'your truth' which is nothing more then presuppositions and assumptions about the world around, then you don't need to be sorry for me. I mean you are the one who holds falsehoods as the truth. "Men+men cannot have children" And when children become a prerequisite for marriage and relationships, then that can be a reason to keep marriage b/w only those who have children. Until that time, this argument is moot and fallacious.
"The ability to procreate and raise families can only exist because of a man and a women" No, the ability to procreate can only happen with Male sperm and female eggs. Rasing a family is a job for everyone reguardless of sexual orientation, and the gender of the parents. However one doesn't have to be a heterosexual procreate, and one doesn't have to procreate simply because they're in a heterosexual relationship. You're living in a fantasy world.
"It has remained the same for 6000 years" Marriage has existed since the beginning of human civilization which started around roughly 12,000 years ago. "Marriage and family are why the human race still exists" Uh no, reproduction, reproduction control(by natural factors), intelligence, adaptation, co existence, and co dependecy b/w the inhabitants of this earth is why the human race exist.
"how has marriage or family changed" Marriage used to be a union b/w a man and multiple women. There were gay marriages performed in the ancient world, and even in Victorian England. The family has always been unfixed since the beginning of time. Sometimes family is a man/wife + children, or a man/man or woman/woman + children, or children who lost their parents, or single parenting house holds, families in which no one is related to anyone by blood,etc. Families are diverse.
"who started the contention first" The people who have a problem with homosexuality. "making a mockery of everything we hold dear" Who the hell is we? Bigots? Homophobes? Inferior human beings such as yourself, who can't accept anything that's different from himself? I hold my rights dear, and when I decide to take a wife oneday and have children my family will be the most important priority in my life.
Oh well I guess you're good for a good laugh or so. No homosexual has said that families can and never should consist of heterosexual parents, but there are heterosexuals who say that families can and should never consist of same sex parents, and you say gays are attacking hetero families? HAHAHAHAHAH, what's next? Are you going to tell me that using self defense against an attacker is nothing more then being an agressive bully?
@dikensteign Your are so dumb. Gay people can have family and marriage. The straight women gave birth and raised the gay man. Suck on that butt buddy :)
americaislame 8 months ago
haha prop 8 passed loozer
Rocafile 2 years ago
marriage IS between opposite sexes whether u like it or not. that's how God wants it and His followers.
mbison83 3 years ago
hoory for prop 8.
mbison83 3 years ago
equality for all
katheartaar 3 years ago
fuck all u gay people ITS ALL ABOUT GIRLS BABY FUCK SAME SEX MARRIAGE if GOD doesnt want you, then i feel bad for you.
Heycockandgazm 3 years ago
Some faith driven groups are attempting to prevent adults from entering into legal contracts i.e. civil unions, due to their gender. Im not one to get caught up in nomenclature as long as marriage and civil union entail the same rights for all.
Steadno 3 years ago
Jesus is coming very very soon! Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination (Lev.18:22) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Lev.20:13)
xrc80 3 years ago
Wasn't there something in the bible about not marking your body with ink or tattoos? Oh no! The government is going to tell me what to do with my body just because of a few words they find in some religious book!
Historypeats 3 years ago
Damn, so I'm not allowed to sleep with guys, I can only sleep with girls? Did the Bible just condone homosexuality? (And yes, I'm being sarcastic)
Really, why does it matter what the Bible says anyway?
ddellsystems 3 years ago
Because conservatives can't accept the idea that there are people who have different traditions than their own.
Historypeats 3 years ago
You can't accept differences either, Historypeats. Unless you come out and support my incestuous polygamous marriage. I'm not hurting anybody, but I don't hear resounding support for my rights.
This is a civil rights issue! I should be able to marry anybody I want if it's consenting! How can you say it should be changed for you, but not for me. If it's all about love, then why do you think your love is more deserving? You're just like those saying gays can't marry.
TarthStroodle 3 years ago
I never said I didn't accept incestuous marriage. I'm a gay marriage supporter. I'm sorry if what I said came out to make you believe that I wasn't. Go on and be happy, then. You can prove gay marriage to be wrong, but you cannot prove why it should be illegal. Before hating on me, try to understand what that sentence means.
Historypeats 3 years ago
Oh yeah. And one more thing... Is the only reason you don't support gay marriage is that you can't marry your sibling? That's a pretty cold and heartless reason. It makes you sound very selfish. The only reason why there are more gay marriage supporters is that a pretty fine percentage of people are gay and want to be a family. If you are being sarcastic to prove a point, it's not working. Marry whoever you want as long as they can sign a contract and are at least the age of 18.
Historypeats 3 years ago
Hey I have to admit you guys are right. We should treat everybody exactly equal. Any discrimination is wrong. I'm convinced. Hey, I'm going to go down and demand that I can marry my brother and my sister if I want. Who's coming to support me? I'm not hurting anybody. You'll all stand with me? Let me hear you all support! Come on, loud and proud!
This is a civil rights issue! I should be able to marry anybody I want if it's consenting! Stand up for incestuous marriage now!
TarthStroodle 3 years ago
you are marked by the beast. satan tells your heart that your distortions are ok. amen
texashardcoreowns 3 years ago
hahahahhahha
Mustbeantic 3 years ago
California HAS SPOKEN! WE do not want it.... shut up now... you had your chance and majority vote says "NO SAME SEX MARRIGES". Stop forcing it down our throats
Zboneabc123 3 years ago
You Faggots Ha Ha you lost Fag is a choice you were not born a faggot so stop saying its discrimination FAGGOTS WE WON 8
wewon0n8 3 years ago
ur a fucking idiot, i voted yes on prop 8 but this proposition wasnt about gay bashing, it was for defining marriage for whats its been all these years, it was also to keep the kids from learning about gay marriage in school, you are the kind of person that made this proposition look bad, you fucking stupid low life!
Alex031831 3 years ago
prop 8 says nothing about schools or kids.
Blakeasdf 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but you have it mistaken. That's actually a hoax. The proposition says nothing about that.
Historypeats 3 years ago
Just FYI, read the CA education code. If gays are "married" nearly all CA schools would have to teach respect for marriage, which would naturally include gay marriage. Jack O'Connle is a liar.
TarthStroodle 3 years ago
So parents don't like what their kids are learning. It's not illegal for them to remove their children from schools if they dislike what their kids are being taught.
Historypeats 3 years ago
Check out that San Fran field trip to see the gay marriage. Parents were not consulted first. Also, there's some question as to whether parents could actually remove their children from classes if gay unions were considered legally the same as marriages.
TarthStroodle 3 years ago
stop saying discrimination is discrimination?
gays are born that way
you choose to be ignorant
idaman12345 2 years ago
The bible clearly states that homesexuality is "An abomination". God IS a God of love but he hates sin! God does love homesexuals, murderers, rapists, thieves and prostitutes etc....But he hates the sin they commit. Study the bible in it's entirety; you will see that for yourself.
MrsGory 3 years ago
FINALLY! man ive been trying to tell everyone that. WE DONT HATE!
asnlunatic 3 years ago
To: asnlunatic
Exactly. That is what many people don't understand. We don't hate people we hate the sin. Thank you!
MrsGory 3 years ago
The Teacher's Union, what a bunch of imbeciles. Why not put all of that money in education - buying textbooks, notebooks, pens and book bags for the poor children. Rather, they spent millions of dollars to fund sin and immorality!
I'm so glad it passed!
HailZeon57 3 years ago
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gays can already marry - just find a nice human of the opposite sex, unrelated, old enough and they can marry.
It's NOT about equal rights, they already have that.
robbedoes1985 3 years ago
so youd rather see them forced into a marriage with someone they dont love
gays do not have equal rights
they cannot marry the person they love
idaman12345 2 years ago
they also can't make children with the person they love, get over it god and nature does not like you, gay's getting married is pointless, buy a friendship neckles or something like that and pass out.
robbedoes1985 2 years ago
well if its about making children, then infertile people shouldnt be allowed to get married either
idaman12345 2 years ago
yes they should because an heterosexual infertile couple can be a perfect candidate to adopt and successfully raise a child.. a gay male couple cant do that.
robbedoes1985 2 years ago
thats your opinion and your entitled to it no matter how wrong or stupid as it is
idaman12345 2 years ago
studies have been don,facts don't lie. gaythingy is a bad thing, gay people and activities should not encouraged.being gay is not a normal thing, don't expect a normal life.
robbedoes1985 2 years ago
what about the studies that show that gay couples can raise normal children
and the ones that show that you are born gay
idaman12345 2 years ago
9.1 Million People have voted.
86.3% of the votes are in!
Yes is leading by 310,183 votes!
MrNirom 3 years ago
queer
seephor 3 years ago
VOTE NO ON 8
XxSANDRAxX310 3 years ago
shut up , Yes on 8
fuckallah11 3 years ago
shut up, no on 8, yes to equality
idaman12345 2 years ago
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Vote YES on Prop 8. It restores the definition of marriage to what the majority of California voters already approved and what they agree should be supported. It overturns the outrageous decision of 4 activist Court judges who ignored the voters. It protects children from being taught in school that same-sex marriage is the same as traditional marriage, and prevents consequences to Californians who will be forced to be tolerant of gay lifestyles, regardless of their beliefs.
toastershock 3 years ago
Prop 8 supporters are not bigots. A bigot is defined as: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
We are tolerant of gay couples, the state of California already recognizes civil unions. We just don't want you to have license to peddle your deviance and perversion to kids.
Deviance and perversion are defined as deviating or departing from the norm and changed to or being of an unnatural or abnormal kind respectively.
Anti-8s are the bad guys.
Yes on 8!
StopGayTyranny 3 years ago
sorry but those wanting to make people second class citizens are the bad guys
that would be the pro prop h8 group
idaman12345 2 years ago
Vote yes on 8 all the way.
Smetch 3 years ago
This is stupid. Vote yes on 8.
Smetch 3 years ago
Gay's deserve equality and the right to marry who they love! Yes on 8! Stop the hate! Vote YES ON 8!
jaredaiono 3 years ago
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nerkmoney 3 years ago
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Up until now I have never had any problem with Gays,I DONT HATE ANYBODY, but I feel that back in 2002 It was the will of the people that voted against same sex marriage. Then some Judges say nope your vote did not mean a darn thing. Then why Vote people. Also I dont want my son who is only 6 years old to be exposed to any type of sexaul choice, He is only 6....dont you get it. I feel as though all this is getting shoved down my throat and thats why I'm Voting Yes ON 8, my kids come first.
TOPIKTOAD 3 years ago
No on 8, you illiterate christian cunts.
Oops! I assumed I was conversing with humans, NOT.
Christian cunts - YES on Prop 8 - never stop the christian hatred!
WellConditioned 3 years ago
Child predadors? Where the hell are you getting that info?
rubberducky61 3 years ago
I support you! the other comments were replies, srry
AdamsNoOnProp8 3 years ago
OOOOO i m so scared that my kids are going to be gay! Bullshit! you dont turn gay retard!!!
Child predators are straight too you know!!!! ass hole!!
AdamsNoOnProp8 3 years ago
would i have to show my face? i know people who would hate me for saying no.
AdamsNoOnProp8 3 years ago
YES ON 8
YES ON 8
YES ON 8
YES ON 8
YES ON 8
MONEYTOON8 3 years ago
fucker
AdamsNoOnProp8 3 years ago
VOTE YES ON 8
VOTE YES ON PROP 8
DONT LET SATAN WIN
GOD MADE MAN AND WOMAN
Besides that ...
Think about your children.
Think about what this world will turn into if you allow gay marriage to go through.
NO SAME SEX STRAIGHT ONLY
VOTE YES ON PROP 8
haillystorm 3 years ago
If you're being serious, you're making God out to be evil. You're bringing discrimination into society, you're hurting people that just want a life.
1 - God made us with free will. He loves us all as we are. If Gays are born with this, then god made them like this.
2 - Everyone is equal, whether they are straight or Gay.
Grow up.
sacr3 3 years ago
YOU ARE SATAN!!!!
AdamsNoOnProp8 3 years ago
the guy is a jerk...he is saying he has to protect freedom, democracy, justice. Freedom- well we have the freedom to VOTE NO ON PROP 8.Oh and he is stupid because you said your gf and you have been FOR FIVE YEARS (btw im not gay and wow thats a long time)
narutoLT 3 years ago
why dont you eat shit if u like it so much and why dont u go die in a dark alley?! fuck you fucktard.
narutoLT 3 years ago
fat fuck
emezim 3 years ago
sorry... i just happend uppon this, I know you said july 31 but i really want to contribute. pleas let me know. thanks
ps. to all the people who are using bad language and putting people down, all you are doing is showing people how much you hate.
rubberducky61 3 years ago
i hate others who are predjudace and use god as a scare tactic.
AdamsNoOnProp8 3 years ago
no on prop 8.
fuck you ignorant bitches.
separation between church & state.
you can't force your religion on anyone.
NO ON PROP 8
NiC0LEY 3 years ago 2
agreed
AdamsNoOnProp8 3 years ago
Whoooooooo hoooooo pall
i agree NO NO NO NO NO ON PROB 8!!!!
mancejosh 3 years ago
Fuck you faggot gay mariage
jose123777 3 years ago
I don't have anything against Gay people but i cannot support a sin in the eyes of GOD and being gay is clearly a sin, and why is it necessary to teach our kids about Gay marriage keep it in your bedroom live in sin in your own home don't make it worse by laughing in GOD'S face and marry in his house. "VOTE YES ON 8"
DANDON323 3 years ago
God, created us. God gave us free will. God let us do what we wish on this planet as long as we love him, and realize he is our true creator.
Following rules in a book that was made 2000 years ago by sexist, racist men is not something we should do. If god denied Same sex relationships so much, then why are they happy? Why are they ok? Wouldn't god do something about it?
Let them do what they wish. We are all equal, its their life, not yours. And God isn't a crude evil god like you make it
sacr3 3 years ago
not to mention, the book was translated from hebrew, so we dont know exactly what they mean anyways!
AdamsNoOnProp8 3 years ago
Sorry Douchebag MCFucktard. You have no chance.
8 will win again. Deal with it.
sayah64 3 years ago
oh yeah sayah64 we will see who will win(im not gay i just hate prop. 8)and stop caling people such things you MCFucktard shitpants.
narutoLT 3 years ago
Listen to me Cumlips McSissypants. I don't care if you are gay or not. I dont even care if you get married to another dude.
But sister we live in America where the will of the people is what dictates the law. 4 judges should not have overturned the will of over 4,000,000 good Californians.
When our vote means nothing, we don't have freedom. Read your constitiution.
sayah64 3 years ago
NICE JOB!
NO ON 8!
VronRN2 3 years ago
yes on 8
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vancer35 3 years ago
Marriage has nothing to do with the government it is handed down by God Clean your fcking house you PIG FAG
Bobby61557 3 years ago
Yes on 8 Yes on 8 Put fags in their rightful place HELL They are sick perverted people trying to offend GOD Mayor Gavin Newsome from San Franciso reminds me of Al Pacino in the Devils Advocate GAY is wrong wrong wrong sick bassards. Matter of fact Your a sick fck too
Bobby61557 3 years ago
NO ON 8!!!! GAYS ARE GAYS
rolofgild 3 years ago
:) nice.
Seriously...how can anyone be against gay marriage?How messed up is that?What are all the children raised by gay parents to think?That they're not normal?Nice way to scar a person.
keikothemeowmeow 3 years ago
My god, YOU ARE part of the people who push the yes on 8.. Deceptive as can be... WOW. I am sad to know God even lets people like you live let alone to vote. And what do you say about the st8 child molestors? or the church?? huh? nothing huh... go suck something and get a life... people like you must have come from the mid west... im sure your going to vote mccain.. sad..
NO on 8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No on 8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
masterminaei 3 years ago
NO ON 8
NO ON 8
NO ON 8
NO ON 8!!!!!!
Please, we're all people and were all equal!
It's like were going back to the beginning again. I mean it!
discriminating against homosexual falls under the same category as discriminating against colored people, undocumented people etc. etc. Can you imagine children growing up learning these things? Were guna have another problem in the future!
indigo1145 3 years ago
*applauds* wow, did you come up with that all by yourself?!...as for the person who made the video...thanks =)
chizazz3c 3 years ago
Licking another man's salty,smelly anus, is not an equal rights issue.
horsedark 3 years ago
women seem to like em xD
narutoLT 3 years ago
no on 8!
mandypandyroxs 3 years ago 3
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gussyrox 3 years ago
the usa is a free country who the fuck are you guys to say yes on prop 8 fuck prop 8
-vote no on prop 8
punishersadvocate 3 years ago 2
I'm with you.
Unlike these america hating prop8 pushers, I know my fellow citizens must have equality under the law.
This is equality under the law. We have to send a message to the american taliban that no matter how much they hate our freedom, we will stay free.
0lord0kinbote0 3 years ago 2
aw i wish i saw this earlier i would of def done it
SOHASDEAD 3 years ago
Oh really? Do you know my education level, or what kind of degrees I have? I didn't think so. Education has nothing to do with morals and standards. Voting on something that violates the separation of church and state and state is also something that I think is evil. You are marked by the beast.
texashardcoreowns 3 years ago
you mother was marked by the beast for having you...
masterminaei 3 years ago
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nododon 3 years ago
Homos are lower life-forms than hetero....this is about dick and pussy.
horrormoviequeen...guess what?... you'll still be waiting after nov 4......sorry it's a man eat pussy world not dick eat dick! oh!!
no diz rezpect!
TheForeteller 3 years ago
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Yes actually it will give teachers the liberty to teach about same sex marriage as they "see fit" as being part of marriage, I have already spoken to teachers who state that as it would change the definition of marriage and thus the curriculum of what is taught students as young as 5 and there is no option for parents to "opt out" the ones who have in Massachusetts have even been arrested for non-compliance Ie: not allowing their children to be taught this curriculum.
pangeanet 3 years ago
I am for equal rights for all not just the homosexuals and their agenda, but for all people so vote yes for proposition 8.
pangeanet 3 years ago
I know but homosexuals only see the world as HOMOSEXUAL VS HETEROSEXUAL!
...and that's EVIL and LUSTFUL...and having special rights for "sexuals behaviors" only because it "FEELS GOOD" and because it's "COOL"!....that's immorally wrong and denigrates the survival of human civilization regardles of creed, color, nationality, race, etc! I have to protect DEMOCRACY, LIBERTY, JUSTICE, AND FREEDOM ...
Hence, I'm VOTING "YES" ON PROPOSITION 8 IN CALIFORNIA ON NOVEMBER 4th!
Dangerdoom68 3 years ago
I will be posting a video that you can add to your advertisement shortly :). BTW, I can't see the advertisement statement on the side, so I'm writing it down as you speak, and then I will say it on the video in my own way :).
Luv4Learning 3 years ago
I just put up my "Vote No on Prop 8" sign in my front yard. Nearly everyone else has a "Vote Yes on Prop 8" sign in their yard in my neighborhood, as well as other neighborhoods in my area. My area is very right-wing and Conservative. In fact, I think someone walked past a few minutes after I put the sign up, and yelled, "Boooooo!!" in a nasty way. OMG, people...what the heck??
I have to volunteer for at least four hours in order to get it, but it's worth it.
!!NO on PROP 8!!
Luv4Learning 3 years ago 2
No on Prop 8 that is what i say every one should have the Right to get married to the one that that love the most no matter if it is a man or a woman or ether they are straight, Gay or Bisexual( and yes i'm Bi)-Sandie
SandieD11982 3 years ago 2
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Are you the chubby cuppy cake boy? You should be. I know why you are a homosexual now.
gypjet 3 years ago
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Fucking fat, chink, faggot fudge packer! Go suck on a hot dog! Lick my jewish asshole!
texashardcoreowns 3 years ago
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yes on prop 8!
Saro0o69 3 years ago
VOTE NO ON PROP 8 NO
WOWISTHEWORLDNOW 3 years ago 4
please vot no. Save Marriage!
charlamain2209 3 years ago 5
Proposition 8 is the COOLEST!!!!!!
Addiejordan 3 years ago
I'm voting NO!
reddropdrop 3 years ago 4
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO on PROP 8!!!!!!!! stupid people what does the bible or its unholy have to do with this... its about gay peoples rite!! constitution duh.. silly ppl.. yea n umm cursing, and blah blah blah is a sin.. gay is a sin we all sin.. we are sinners... so stfu ppl.. Vote NO on PROP 8!!
anthonystar07 3 years ago 2
How does marriage have any bearing on you getting your fudge packed? We all do sin, but us people that gave our life of sin to GOD to allow us forgiveness have something called foundation and morals. I think people like you are heterophobic ,and need to see the consequences of this stupid power struggle to feel normal. I think I will fight for the right to marry my dog and be the first beastsexual couple. How do you like them apples? Now get bent and lick my jewish asshole.
texashardcoreowns 3 years ago
I have decided to vote YES on Prop 8 because it does NOT take away any rights whatsoever from gay couples. YES on 8!
bebelove109 3 years ago
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being gay is
1) unnatural
2) unholy
underdrifter 3 years ago
you have one life and you choose to live it by GOD? its sounds like you have something to hide from the below comment...
lanoie7 3 years ago 3
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i'm with tim hardaway
i personally hate gay people
Yes on prop 8
underdrifter 3 years ago
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. Why do you hate gay people?
redbaaron123 3 years ago 4
First, I love gay people. I have many gay friends. I am all for equal human rights and that is exactly why I am voting Yes on Prop 8.
I'm voting YES: what will happen if same sex marriage is allowed - nothing for the homosexual community because rights will not be altered, but for me it will change, the law will tell me that my beliefs are contrary to law and be forced to change values practiced in my religion:t That is inequality
Roxality 3 years ago
This is about a basic human right--the chance for someone to commit themselves to someone they love, to have the right to grow old with them, to be at their hospital bedside, to raise children with them. Would you like to be told you couldn't marry the person you love? If marriage is just about procreation, then do we deny marriage to those who do not want or cannot have children? Fair is fair, right? Who decides what is "wrong" or "unnatural" or "sick"? Not you and not me. Marriage is <3 + <3
cassidhesmom 3 years ago
We know diversities is good in a society. Separating races is not good and same-sex marriage is actually separating male and female. It's definitely not a good thing.
mms67c 3 years ago
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I don't hate gay people but I just think gay people need help and therapy. Same-sex marriage is not appropriate and cannot help them solve their problems. Just as the sick people need to see a doctor.
mms67c 3 years ago
Homosexual is unnatural. Statistic show that many of them were abused as a child and the chance that they will abuse a child after grow up is very high. They should go seek for therapy or counseling instead of getting marry and adopt children.
mms67c 3 years ago
vote no on prop 8
party4evergirl 3 years ago 3
First of all, you shouldn't care who anyone marries..Do you care when your best friend marries an infertal hag? No,because in the end, its a women. Why should you care if your best friend is marrying another guy, as long as it makes your friend happy? But seeing how ignorant you are, im sure you don't have any gay friends. Family is what you make of it,so if you adopt a child, it's not part of your family? And gay people will be around regaurdless of if they can get married. Get over it.
americaislame 3 years ago
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tari2203 3 years ago
are gays going to eat the children? wtf does "protect our children from gays" even mean?
so it bothers you what a gay couple does behind closed doors, yet youre not offended if its a straight couple?
theyre both doing the same thing. (hint - its called making love)
itsmeoreo 3 years ago 3
"that is the way it is" No it apparently isn't the way it is. Otherwise that's how it would be and it's clearly not. "well unless your a freakin alien and dont have ovaries or genitals" Ovaries and genitalia don't dictate sexual orientation love muffin. "there is no third gender" Even though the ancients would disagree with you, third genders have nothing to with two people of the same sex falling in love with each other.
biggtk 3 years ago
"if one is born male he is biologically made to be compatible with a female" That would be true if the basis of attraction and love was placed on sexual reproduction, and it's not. If one is born a hetero male he is meant for a hetero female. If one is born a gay male then he is meant for another gay male, and so on and so forth.
biggtk 3 years ago
No one is born a murderer because you have to murder someone first. However there's nothing one has to do to be a homosexual. You're simply born gay or not. Fallacies never get you anywhere love. "You make your own choices" Not about my sexual orientation. "no genes tell us what to do" But they do make us who we are biologically and I'm biologically gay.
biggtk 3 years ago
It's called being human, and humans want to have romantic companionship, and homosexuals are human beings who want companionship as well. Get over it!"anyone with homosexual tendencies can choose not to follow them" What is a homosexual tendency? And how do you follow it? "no one is born a murderer and no one is born gay either" That's like saying no one is born a murderer and no one is born black either.
biggtk 3 years ago
"you follow in the act that you choose" I don't know what act you're talking about? "people can be gay and choose not to act it out" There's no such thing as acting out gay or not. Either you're gay or you're not. If you're referring to engaging into relationships, well that's really not your call for other people's lives. Heterosexuals don't have to be in relationships either, and yet most are, or are looking for relationships.
biggtk 3 years ago
"U alread admitted family was obsolete, and should be removed right" HAHAHAHA I said family was diverse. Not once did I say that the family should be removed, nor did I hint to it. Your seeing what you want to see, not what is really there. Please get out of the clouds and join us back here on planet earth.
biggtk 3 years ago
"They cannot procreate" And yet they do. "there are no brothers" I'm gay and I have a brother. "or any of the sort except from those who had done this right the first time" More gibberish and no facts. "Gay marriage does nothing and completely removes family all together" Gay marriage does what heterosexual marriage does, and Gay marraige strengthens the family for same sex couples.
biggtk 3 years ago
"theres nothing blind about believing that a family consists of a mother and father" There is when you think a family MUST include a mother and father to even be considered a family. Especially when it's an opinion, not fact, and based off of misplaced emotion and not fact. "A gay couple cannot have any of that" Actually they can, and they do. Your claims are ridiculous.
biggtk 3 years ago
However the truth is that all family structures that consist of people who love, comfort, and protect one another as a collective unit are all happy and succesful families, where are applicants can grow in a healthy way to the best of their ability.
biggtk 3 years ago
"I see them every day, why cant you" Unlike you dikensteign, I've never claimed that families that are different from what my family might be with my wife and kids, are not happy. In fact I acknowledge that there are very successful and happy families that included both heterosexual coupled parenting and same sex coupled parenting. To you family is one or the other, because you're bigotry and ignorance blinds you.
biggtk 3 years ago
"if you werent so blind and only look for the negatives you can see thousands if not millions of happy families with children all reared by fathers and mothers" And when did I ever claim that there weren't happy heterosexual coupled families? You're the one claiming that there aren't any happy same sex coupled families, but if you weren't so blind and only look for the negatives(that don't exist), you can see hundreds of thousands of happy families with children and same sex parents.
biggtk 3 years ago
"man+women can" That's great. However it still has nothing to do with this debate, as it didn't when you first mentioned it two days ago. "if you say that is false you are a liar" It is false.
biggtk 3 years ago
Second of all, there's nothing wrong with being gay, and there's no logical reason why a homosexual cannot have a real family, since the definition of real family is defined by those in the family and not ignorant sods such as yourself. "Gays cannot procreate" Yes they can, just not through their relationship with someone of the same sex.
biggtk 3 years ago
"raising children to be gay robs them of there understanding of how to have a real family when they grow up" Nobody raises children to be gay. Society raises children to be straight, however as we all can clearly see, that doesn't work on bisexuals or homosexuals, because sexual orientation isn't something that's taught, it's something that's innate. If you don't have the mental capacity to understand these basic fundamentals of sexuality, then I can't take you seriously.
biggtk 3 years ago
"Dont teach children lies" I won't, which is why children need to learn the opposite of what you're saying. "There can be only one biological mother, the other is nothing more than a baby sitter" Only if you accept that adoptive parents are simply babysitters to their adopted child?
biggtk 3 years ago
"whats the point of having two mothers" The same point of having two father, or a mother and a father, for love of having parents who love and care for you. "a child cannot belong to two mothers" Yes a child can, just like an adopted child can belong to it's adoptive parents. "Only one can be the real mother while the other is only an imposter" Only if you accept that adoptive parents are imposters to their adoptive child?
biggtk 3 years ago
"It has only been done for thousands of years" No, there's been all kinds of different family structures for thousands of years. "and your several thousand years late in understanding something that has always been done" Human civilization has existed for roughly 12,000 years, and there's nothing that I'm not understanding. You're the one who can't comprehend that there has and will always be different family structures.
biggtk 3 years ago
"Thats all the proof that is needed" What proof? You provided no proof, you only made the same unproven cliche assumptions as you have been this whole argument. You're providing everything but evidence and truth.
biggtk 3 years ago
"Therefore man and women were meant to be together for the proper support of a family." Ummm no. Men and women weren't meant to be together. Heterosexual men and heterosexual women were meant to be together. Gays were meant to be with someone of the same sex, and same sex couples are able to effectively raise children to their fullest potential.
biggtk 3 years ago
"but that doesnt mean they have to" So they should just pick some random female to help raise their children? You're living in a fantasy world. "he can find another loving wife." Love is not that easy to come by. "A man cannot replace a women at her roles" There are no roles, and neither a man or woman would need to be replaced in a same sex coupled household. The same sex partners ARE the parents, not parental replacements.
biggtk 3 years ago
Plenty of mothers are lousy at parenting and nurturing. Gender does not automatically make you good at nurturing.
The roles you speak of have evolved. I suppose you're opposed to stay-at-home dads who are playing the "mother" role while mom works? It's about looking at the human potential above and beyond traditional roles.
afer63 3 years ago
"Its called having natural sex" No it's called mating and reproduction. Natural sex is any kind of sex having to do with parts of the human body that are used for sexual stimulation. "MORON" HAHAHA, I guess the Ad Hominem attacks make up for your lack of evidence and logic eh?
biggtk 3 years ago
If my child wishes to find the man who donated the sperm, then they would have my full support and help. "What does he do" What in Tarturus are you talking about? "Only a man+women can create children" Through sexual reproduction yes, but procreation isn't limited to sexual reproduction. So the facts are that hetero and homo couples can biologically have children if they wish.
biggtk 3 years ago
"You cant replace the two" There's nothing to replace in the first place. Same sex parents aren't replacing male and female, they're simply the child's parents. End of story. "will you deny that child if he/she wants a mom" I'm will be the child's mother, since I'm a female. And if I have a wife, she will also be the child's mother. My children will have both females and males in their life, but they will also have two mothers.
biggtk 3 years ago
"No male figure can nuture any child better than a mother/women" You apparently haven't met any of the single fathers, single male guardians, or gay men who HAVE nurtured their children as well as woman have. You're talking out of your ass, and you're not providing any proof to back it up. So either provide some viable proof, or accept the fact that you have none.
biggtk 3 years ago
"they already have for Thousands of years" Who's 'they' and what are you talking about? " child needs a father figure for support" No, a child needs parent figures for support. "a child also needs a mother for only what she can provide" Again, a child needs a parent for they can only provide. You're making these ascertions without providing any evidence. How do you honestly expect me to believe what you say when scientific studies say differently?
biggtk 3 years ago
"what are you going to do when that kid asks who his/her real mom or dad is" The kid most likely will not ask that, since most children in Gay coupled families don't. However if the child was born out of sexual intercourse b/w a man and a woman, then that child will probably want to know and have a right to know their other biological parent.
biggtk 3 years ago
"Only a loving mother and father can truely provide for every aspect of a childs life" Prove it? Where's a scientific study that proves that children in heterosexual parenting homes grown up more healthy and well rounded then those in same sex parenting households?
biggtk 3 years ago
"It still involves imperfect people that make mistakes and sometimes poor choices" If that's the case then you must throw heterosexual parenting in the mix as well based on your logic. Otherwise you can't compare same sex parenting towards families with missing parents. "only one is natural and the other is not" No sweetie, actually same sex parenting and single parenting are both observed in 'NATURE' and therefore natural.
biggtk 3 years ago
"who stays home" Whoever decides to stay home, or both parents work, like most households with two parents do(especially in these economic times). "Who goes to work" Whoever decides to go to work, or both parents go to work. "Do both guardians work" If that is what they choose to do. "Then whos responsible for nurturing and supporting that child" Both parents.
biggtk 3 years ago
"Destroy the family and society falls apart." The difference b/w same sex couples and the lack of family in the black community is that the same sex parents will actually be present to raise their children, as where the family in the black community has missing parents. You can't logically compare missing parents to same sex parenting, without providing empirical evidence as to how the two compare. Do you have that proof?
biggtk 3 years ago
"Why do you insist on changing and demeaning that" I can't change or demean something that doesn't exist(like your definition of family). "ony man+women can create/properly raise children" Prove it? These are your claims, prove that only heterosexuals can create children(while explaining the children that homosexuals have had biologically), and prove that only a man and a woman can raise children sufficiently?
biggtk 3 years ago
Families consist of hetero couple and kids, same sex couple and kids, single parent and kids, siblings who don't have parents, non blood related family members, grandparent(s) and children, etc. There's not set definition of what a family is, and you can try to prove that all day, but reality is against you.
biggtk 3 years ago
"Marriage is more than just a relationship between two people" I never said it wasn't. My point is that everything marriage is, homosexuals are fully capable of fufilling marriage responsibilities. "And how is marriage and family diverse" Marriage can and does consist opposite sex couples, same sex couples, and polygamy all around the world.
biggtk 3 years ago
"um I already mentioned having children was a choice in marriage" Having children is a choice reguardless of marriage. "But no matter what only hetero couples can create children" No, only sperm and eggs can create children. The way one connects those sperm and eggs is diverse and open to people of all sexual orientated couples. "a child deserves a loving mother and a father" No, a child deserves loving parents. Gender doesn't matter, as studies have shown.
biggtk 3 years ago
"Only a man and a women is capable of that" That's great, however having children yet again, isn't a prerequisite of marriage nor is it a deciding factor in the validity of a relationship. "why so angry eh" I'm not angry. I'm actually quite joyful knowing that my oposition's arguments are pure rubbish. It makes my job all the more easier lol.
biggtk 3 years ago
"Im sorry that you dont like the truth" If you mean 'your truth' which is nothing more then presuppositions and assumptions about the world around, then you don't need to be sorry for me. I mean you are the one who holds falsehoods as the truth. "Men+men cannot have children" And when children become a prerequisite for marriage and relationships, then that can be a reason to keep marriage b/w only those who have children. Until that time, this argument is moot and fallacious.
biggtk 3 years ago
"The ability to procreate and raise families can only exist because of a man and a women" No, the ability to procreate can only happen with Male sperm and female eggs. Rasing a family is a job for everyone reguardless of sexual orientation, and the gender of the parents. However one doesn't have to be a heterosexual procreate, and one doesn't have to procreate simply because they're in a heterosexual relationship. You're living in a fantasy world.
biggtk 3 years ago
"It has remained the same for 6000 years" Marriage has existed since the beginning of human civilization which started around roughly 12,000 years ago. "Marriage and family are why the human race still exists" Uh no, reproduction, reproduction control(by natural factors), intelligence, adaptation, co existence, and co dependecy b/w the inhabitants of this earth is why the human race exist.
biggtk 3 years ago
"how has marriage or family changed" Marriage used to be a union b/w a man and multiple women. There were gay marriages performed in the ancient world, and even in Victorian England. The family has always been unfixed since the beginning of time. Sometimes family is a man/wife + children, or a man/man or woman/woman + children, or children who lost their parents, or single parenting house holds, families in which no one is related to anyone by blood,etc. Families are diverse.
biggtk 3 years ago
"who started the contention first" The people who have a problem with homosexuality. "making a mockery of everything we hold dear" Who the hell is we? Bigots? Homophobes? Inferior human beings such as yourself, who can't accept anything that's different from himself? I hold my rights dear, and when I decide to take a wife oneday and have children my family will be the most important priority in my life.
biggtk 3 years ago
Oh well I guess you're good for a good laugh or so. No homosexual has said that families can and never should consist of heterosexual parents, but there are heterosexuals who say that families can and should never consist of same sex parents, and you say gays are attacking hetero families? HAHAHAHAHAH, what's next? Are you going to tell me that using self defense against an attacker is nothing more then being an agressive bully?
biggtk 3 years ago