umm wow... interesting discussoin, so interesting i had to read it all lol, i dont mean to interupt but topic is very interesting.
i did have a thought though... and i do appologize as i dont know the history, but if the covered fist is at the top during a time of war... isn't the US at a time of war now? Since they are fighting overseas, but fighting still... wouldn't the fist be at the top. Wouldn't that make mr juchnicks crest incorrect then? i've seen both crest so now i'm confused.
By the way, in regards to the debate of where the rotated mon came from, I always thought that Mitose rotated itself after Pearl Harbor--in a time of war he thought the covered fist should be on top. Is this not a true story?
Are you sure? Mitose said that the covered fist is on top in times of war. He later asked Juchnik to rotate it back so that the praying hands were on top.
Because Bruce was using it in the WW2 position-GGM Mitose corrected him.Hence back to my original point.GGM Mitose DID not want the fist to be in the upper positon after the second world war.He would not have corrected Bruce otherwise,and he would not authorize anyone else to do so either.
GGM Mitose wouldn't change the mon from the praying hands post WW2. Originally-Bruce also used the one with fist on top. Mitose told him it was wrong-and the praying hands should now be on the top of the mon. Others-I believe it was Golub-and I think Thomas Barro-decided to go back to the fist on top to try to distinguish themselves from what Bruce Jucknik was doing while spreading Kosho Shorei Kempo.
If you look at the books written by Bruce you may have also seen a letter from Hassan (Terry Lee),swearing an oath of non-violence,peace and help.Witnessed by Rev. Kamitsu Iyami
He states that any breaking of that oath should bring any retribution from God or man down on him-and he gives up any acknowledgment or credentials in Kosho Shorei Kempo. Very interesting.
If you have information post it. If you have no information or are not willing to share it, then it seems you have another agenda, which we do not wish to be part of.
I agree, the history between Mr. Juchnik and GM Hassan is interesting to say the least. Of particular interest is that neither Mr. Juchnik, or any other person has provided any new information (visual, audio, etc...) that would refute the documentation presented other than conversation and rebuttals referencing other sources (not the sources themselves).
As we indicated, our concern is not with what Mr. Juchnik knows regarding those whom he has trained with, but with whom he hasn't. I am sure neither you or Mr. Juchnik would consider us qualified to teach anything he (Mr. Juchnik) knows (escrima or other arts he claims) by just interviewing, discussing principles, and having conversations with him, other than philosophy. Yet when we are incorrect, what is correct is bound to be incorrect to us. We wish you well.
On this point-I understand what you are trying to say. That is- it changed during the war...BUT...and this was what i was trying to address...it was rotated to the praying hands on top since the 1980's-and no one but Bruce Juchnik has the authority to change that.
You have questioned the motives regarding the audio/video footage of GM Hassan and Mr. Juchnick, and the informations recent appearance. This information may be recent to you, but not Mr. Juchnick. Let us clear this misinterpretation.
For YEARS GM Hassan, attempted to clear the matter of Mitose Kempo with Mr. Juchnick. For example the original crest with Hoken at the top was presented to GM Hassan by GGM Mitose himself. The IKSA organization (comprised of GM Hassan, Mr. Juchnick, and GGM Mitoses son Thomas Mitose) began using it when GM Hassan joined and stopped when he left it. It would be repetitive to re-post this information since it was explained in other posts.
His first attempts were made in the early 80s (ergo the footage seen and heard). From this point Mr. Juchnick creates the misconception that he was the student that GGM Mitose came out of retirement to instruct. This was stated in a publication that was circulating at the time.
Out of respect for Mr. Juchnick and to keep the Mitose system unified, GM Hassan attempted to address the situation with Mr. Juchnick and the organization. A letter was sent to Mr. Golub, who was one of the members of the association with Mr. Juchnick. The first paragraph addresses the fact of when GM Hassan opened the school with GGM Mitose in 1974 and the list of students and instructors at the school.
We see on page 2 that GM Hassan sent the audio conversations to the organization and Mr. Juchnick. Yet Mr. Juchnick did not come forth to correct the information and continued to perpetuate the misconception about his knowledge and training (lack of) in the Mitose system. In the article Kosho Shorei Kenpo: A Style of Heresy and Insight printed in 1984, he states how hard he trained with GGM Mitose and uses the information given to him by GM Hassan, not GGM Mitose (audio already posted).
Again out of respect and unification of the system, GM Hassan attempted to clear this situation with Mr. Juchnick for years. When he could not get Mr. Juchnick to come forth and correct the information, he wrote to the publication company. Unfortunately, for political reasons, the company would not publish the information. Their response along with other letters are also in our possession. Fortunately, due to media vehicles such as this, the information can no longer be suppressed.
We do not seek any individuals praise or credibility as such things are relative to the characteristics of the individuals using them. GM Hassan has promoted GGM Mitoses system for years and has provided research into the system and its behavioral modification abilities at the university level and in other places. However, it is unnecessary for us comment on these matters as the essential concern is the preservation of GGM Mitoses ancient system, not individual accolades.
Moreover, the footage speaks for itself. The martial arts community has a right to know what they are learning and what they are not. It is the obligation of any instructor and human being to warn others of situations that would cause them harm.
Again what Mr. Juchnick knows and promotes outside of GGM Mitoses system is of no concern to us. If there is some archival information that Mr. Juchnick has that would clarify any of these things, it should be posted. You and others have indicated it exist, yet there has not been any other archival information posted by anyone else. Please post it, if it exists. We will wait.
Oh...political reasons was it. Did he show any documentation?No one is suppressing anything. It has all been out in the open a long time.What is new is all of the spin being put on it.
BTW...look at the "mon" on the patch used by Bruce, and the one used on some of these videos. Then look at GGM MItose's book "What is True Self Defense".
A small point,granted, but telling. Why was it changed (rotated)? Arnie Golub did it-did you know that? Why?
Paul Yamaguchi-Thomas Young and other original Hawaii students of GGM Mitose wanted Bruce to use the original design. If there was something wrong with Bruce or his understanding why would GGM Mistose's remaining students do this?
Basically the manipulation of these tapes and conversations are being used to try to discredit the one person who kept the Kosho Shorei Ryu system alive. Hassan was awol. But Thomas Young and others weren't. They really loved Bruce for doing what he has done in preserving Kosho Ryu and the Mistose name. That is a fact.
All of this is dubious and one sided. You would have much more credibility if you had Bruces side presented with whatever sustantiation he may have by way of articles-etc.
Bruce was open and candid about what he did and did not study with GM MItose. Being incarcerated-they couldn't train in MA. But they could discuss concepts and ideas. Is that training?
He was open about Hassan and his role in the whole situation.
BTW..how did GM Mitose end up in prison to begin with? Where was Hassan? Did he have a role in any of that?
The position that you are presenting regarding GM Hassan has already been fleshed, dragged, and beat, in previous postings. What is interesting enough was that no where in the article did he even mention GM Hassan. He presented it again like he received the information regarding the system directly from GGM Mitose. This is a concern.
What was the conclusion about this issue? Not from posts-the facts?
Information from GGM Mitose to Bruce regarding the system.. Absolutely! I believe Bruce knew GGM Mitose BEFORE he knew Hassan. Bruce was introduced to GGM Mitose while he was still in Vacaville.
I have know Bruce for 30+years. I know Gulub and T Barro (he added Mitose name much later.)
Where would Kosho Ryu be if not for Bruce Jucknik? T. Barro is inarticulate, and has the charisma of a rock. He is (or was) ok as a martial artist,because he trained in Kajukenbo, his true linage. The little scamp Arnold is an opportunist. As far as Hassan...
look into it if you want the truth about this fellow. I did.
Bruce has a great heart- no matter what you see on the outside-he kept the name of Mitose out there with dignity and respect for the art of Kosho Shorei Ryu. He expanded the understanding of Martial Arts worldwide with devotion to study, practice-giving all the best of the arts.
What has Arnie done? What has Barro done? Zip...Nada..that's what. Now they come up with this nonsense years later and make trouble . I remember when little Arnie followed Bruce around like a puppy-always scheming and trying to control things. He used Barro's less than powerful intellect against him, and manipulated him into thinking he was something he was and is not.
And as far as Bruce "trying"..it is not even on his radar to deal with the the nay sayers and daydreamers. Why? He is still busy working to spread the martial arts. He is still giving his all to honor Grand Master Mitose.
So when you read this-look at things honestly and ask yourself what you do to enhance the lives of thousands of people all over the world by giving them knowledge and insiring them to grow as human beings. If you aren't doing more than Bruce Juchnik...shut up and get busy.
The information presented is what it is. It documents where in fact Mr. Juchnick got much of the information he presented and passed on as direct instruction from GGM Mitose's. Mr. Juchnick is a very talented martial artist in many aspects. However, his expertise and the knowledge of Kempo as GGM Mitose taught it, is limited. It is this that is the concern.
As for GM Hassan, he is who he is. If there are any questions regarding this, he is still very much alive. I'm sure he would have no problem discussing such matters in person.
I think most martial artist know his history by now. But the question can also be posed of Mr. Juchnick. Did he physically train with GGM Mitose? Did he operate a school with him at any time? It is difficult to take things out of context, when Mr. Juchnick both said, and had it written that he never actually trained with GGM Mitose.
Did he physically train with GGM Mitose? Did he operate a school with him at any time? ANS: No, and he has openly said so for years.
"...It is difficult to take things out of context, when Mr. Juchnick both said, and had it written that he never actually trained with GGM Mitose"... Duh.
You can't have it both ways. He is not hiding it if he has openly spoke about. You make my point.
Making points does not seem relevant to what has occurred. However, let us examine your point. If he didn't physically train with Mitose and was shown the what, how, and why, of the system, then you have made the point that Mr. Juchnick is teaching his interpretation of GGM Mitose's system and not what Mitose showed him to do with training. This devalues and mariginalizes the system.
Funny thing, Thomas Young was not of that opinion. Sorry to say he is no longer with us to stand behind the method and teachings of Bruce.But I and many others spent a good deal of time with Mr. Young who worked closely with GM Mitose in Hawaii. He supported Bruce totally. You would think if something was askew..he would have brought it up. You do know Bruce visited GM Mitose while he was incarcerated. He went over the concepts of Kosho Kempo many,many times with Bruce during that time.
The information is what it is. But how is it presented? Is there a real urgency for truth, or is this a form of media manipulation used to further another agenda? Where are the videos showing Bruce talking about all of this-which would present a more balanced reporting of the information? Hence-the agenda of the poster is exposed as less than altruistic.
The concern again is the instruction of something you have never done. We see here in one article Mr. Juchnick explains how the guards let he and GGM Mitose work very hard together and at times did physical training. At another time, he says they had done no physical training at all. There is a difference in training and philosophizing. Training involves physical practice and activity. What could he practice from GGM Mitose if he wasn't shown what to practice?
Hello, The Account That You See "HanshiBuchan" is NOT me it is a fraudulent account made for the sole purpose of slander apologize for any disharmony this may have caused, this persons actions which are completely uncalled for. please just be aware that is not me, my real account is, and always will be "OfficialKoshoRyu" i am NOT associated with any other youtube channel, nor do i post on any other account. youtube will be notified about the fake account, and hopefully it will be removed.
It is because Grandmaster Hassan learned from GGM, that the preservation of the system supersedes money, power, notoriety, or anything else that the information was presented. If what is being taught physically, mentally, and spiritually is coming under false pretenses, than it is this illusion that destroys the harmony of the system. Deception based upon truth is the worst deception of all. Disharmony can only exist where truth does not.
This post makes zero sense. Who is posting these videos on Youtube? Hassan? I have never met a Kosho practitioner who's cared WHERE Juchnik got his knowledge. What he teaches works and works amazingly. The real controversy is where Mitose got his knowledge. Even in regards to that, I don't care! It works!
There are two sides to every coin. The better question seems to be why hasnt the coin ever been turned over not why is someone turning it over. Is it nitpicking to provide information on an ancient system that will protect someone during a crisis situation? Harmony requests honesty and honesty requests one to be truthful with oneself.
In response to the martial arts community, we would like to present additional archival footage regarding Mr. Juchnik and Grandmaster Hassan. Again, these are not our opinions but merely historical accounts of the events which transpired. Most of the information is available to the public.
These mean nothing. I and most everyone close to Bruce knew about these times with Hassan. And the phone calls, and the role Hassan played in Kosho, and the role Bruce played. Text out of context is pretext. And that is what you are doing here. I wonder about the motivation of someone bringing this all up now in this apparent attempt to smear someone. What agenda lurks behind this nonsense would be interesting to know.
Very interesting. The question then becomes why was it never brought forth by those who knew (other than GM Hassan) or even Mr. Juchnick himself? If we are taught to be like the bamboo, why should we be like the serpent that hides its head? It is interesting to see what agenda existed both then in the suppression of the information and now in the attempt to dismiss it.
If the information means nothing, then why contest it to begin with? The information is what it is. It is there for anyone to see it because it is history. We cannot assume that the public has our opinion and dismiss any historical documentation as nonsense. We insult our fellow humans when we believe what we think is the final interpretation. The story seems to tell itself here.
Obviously, many people didn't know this information existed. Further, people are entitled to know when they are engaged in something that may cause them injury. Again, what Mr. Juchnick has presented is a limited version at best of GGM Mitose's system. Therefore, the only agenda is the preservation of the system as GGM Mitose taught it.
You wrote.."why should we be like the serpent that hides its head? It is interesting to see what agenda existed both then in the suppression of the information "..This information was available to any one at any time, with just a call to Bruce or attending any seminar where Bruce taught.
Why contest it? I, for my part am not contesting the information-just the method of disseminating it in the now all too obvious political methodology of personal assassination. You are peeing on our shoes and telling us it is raining.
Again, this information should have been available from the beginning. The information was presented the way it was recorded. We have never dismissed anything Mr. Juchnick knows regarding other systems. In other systems we have heard he is very talented. We can however, question his expertise in GGM Mitose's Kempo.
So the endorsement from many of the original students of GGM Mitose doesn't count, but Hassan's does? Is that what you are saying? These men worked and trained with GGM Mitose before Hassan was born. They endorsed both Bruce's understanding and application of Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo/Karate. Were they fooled? I think not.
Bruce never hid anything from anyone, otherwise Thomas Young-Adriano Emperado and all of the Kosho Shorei groups wouldn't have known this years ago. Thomas Barro Mitose-and even Arnie Golub would have smeared it all over the place a long time ago. So why now? It is the lop sided prejudice that I for one dismiss.
The question does not seem to be why is someone flipping the coin, the question seems to be why hasn't anyone flipped it before. If Mr. Juchnick had wanted to put the information about GGM Hassan and where the instruction came from, he would have said so in the articles and not claim it as his own. If you have documentation saying anything contrary, please post it. If not, then It seems as though there was an agenda from the start.
Hassan was low on the radar,perhaps at his own insistance,I can't say. But I do know nothing was coming from him re: Kosho to anyone on the MA stage for years as Bruce was working to promote the art and honor the linage. Don't you find that interesting? I do. Why didn't he come out in 1983?1989? 1995? 1999?2002? 2005? WHERE WAS HE? No,no one said anything until recently about whatever doubts they may have had.
Contact Bruce for any archival material-they have it in California.
umm wow... interesting discussoin, so interesting i had to read it all lol, i dont mean to interupt but topic is very interesting.
i did have a thought though... and i do appologize as i dont know the history, but if the covered fist is at the top during a time of war... isn't the US at a time of war now? Since they are fighting overseas, but fighting still... wouldn't the fist be at the top. Wouldn't that make mr juchnicks crest incorrect then? i've seen both crest so now i'm confused.
jshap1000 2 years ago
By the way, in regards to the debate of where the rotated mon came from, I always thought that Mitose rotated itself after Pearl Harbor--in a time of war he thought the covered fist should be on top. Is this not a true story?
ZhuangziZhou 2 years ago
No -Mitose didn't rotate it-Arnold Gulub did.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Are you sure? Mitose said that the covered fist is on top in times of war. He later asked Juchnik to rotate it back so that the praying hands were on top.
ZhuangziZhou 2 years ago
That is not true. GGM Mitose wouldn't change the crest and he NEVER asked Bruce(or anyone else) to change it.
The rumor mill at the time said what you have stated-but it never came from GGM Mitose.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
So then you believe that the letters from Mitose reprinted in Juchnik's books "The Last Disciple" and "To Fall Seven, Rise Eight" are fake?
ZhuangziZhou 2 years ago
Of course they letters are not fake-they have certified by a top forensic examiner
The letter, and the issue at hand is about the CURRENT placement of the praying hands (on top) as opposed to the period of WW2 (fist on top).
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Yes, but in the letters Mitose says that he wants Juchnik to change the mon back its non-war presentation.
ZhuangziZhou 2 years ago
Because Bruce was using it in the WW2 position-GGM Mitose corrected him.Hence back to my original point.GGM Mitose DID not want the fist to be in the upper positon after the second world war.He would not have corrected Bruce otherwise,and he would not authorize anyone else to do so either.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
GGM Mitose wouldn't change the mon from the praying hands post WW2. Originally-Bruce also used the one with fist on top. Mitose told him it was wrong-and the praying hands should now be on the top of the mon. Others-I believe it was Golub-and I think Thomas Barro-decided to go back to the fist on top to try to distinguish themselves from what Bruce Jucknik was doing while spreading Kosho Shorei Kempo.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
If you look at the books written by Bruce you may have also seen a letter from Hassan (Terry Lee),swearing an oath of non-violence,peace and help.Witnessed by Rev. Kamitsu Iyami
He states that any breaking of that oath should bring any retribution from God or man down on him-and he gives up any acknowledgment or credentials in Kosho Shorei Kempo. Very interesting.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Again, if you have such information please post it.
rlwr2 2 years ago
Look in his books-the letters are reprinted there.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
If you have information post it. If you have no information or are not willing to share it, then it seems you have another agenda, which we do not wish to be part of.
rlwr2 2 years ago
I agree, the history between Mr. Juchnik and GM Hassan is interesting to say the least. Of particular interest is that neither Mr. Juchnik, or any other person has provided any new information (visual, audio, etc...) that would refute the documentation presented other than conversation and rebuttals referencing other sources (not the sources themselves).
rlwr2 2 years ago
As we indicated, our concern is not with what Mr. Juchnik knows regarding those whom he has trained with, but with whom he hasn't. I am sure neither you or Mr. Juchnik would consider us qualified to teach anything he (Mr. Juchnik) knows (escrima or other arts he claims) by just interviewing, discussing principles, and having conversations with him, other than philosophy. Yet when we are incorrect, what is correct is bound to be incorrect to us. We wish you well.
rlwr2 2 years ago
I talked to Bruce about Golub changing the mon-he corrected my memory. Hassan just uses it because that is what he knew.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
On this point-I understand what you are trying to say. That is- it changed during the war...BUT...and this was what i was trying to address...it was rotated to the praying hands on top since the 1980's-and no one but Bruce Juchnik has the authority to change that.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
You have questioned the motives regarding the audio/video footage of GM Hassan and Mr. Juchnick, and the informations recent appearance. This information may be recent to you, but not Mr. Juchnick. Let us clear this misinterpretation.
rlwr2 2 years ago
For YEARS GM Hassan, attempted to clear the matter of Mitose Kempo with Mr. Juchnick. For example the original crest with Hoken at the top was presented to GM Hassan by GGM Mitose himself. The IKSA organization (comprised of GM Hassan, Mr. Juchnick, and GGM Mitoses son Thomas Mitose) began using it when GM Hassan joined and stopped when he left it. It would be repetitive to re-post this information since it was explained in other posts.
rlwr2 2 years ago
His first attempts were made in the early 80s (ergo the footage seen and heard). From this point Mr. Juchnick creates the misconception that he was the student that GGM Mitose came out of retirement to instruct. This was stated in a publication that was circulating at the time.
rlwr2 2 years ago
Out of respect for Mr. Juchnick and to keep the Mitose system unified, GM Hassan attempted to address the situation with Mr. Juchnick and the organization. A letter was sent to Mr. Golub, who was one of the members of the association with Mr. Juchnick. The first paragraph addresses the fact of when GM Hassan opened the school with GGM Mitose in 1974 and the list of students and instructors at the school.
rlwr2 2 years ago
We see on page 2 that GM Hassan sent the audio conversations to the organization and Mr. Juchnick. Yet Mr. Juchnick did not come forth to correct the information and continued to perpetuate the misconception about his knowledge and training (lack of) in the Mitose system. In the article Kosho Shorei Kenpo: A Style of Heresy and Insight printed in 1984, he states how hard he trained with GGM Mitose and uses the information given to him by GM Hassan, not GGM Mitose (audio already posted).
rlwr2 2 years ago
Again out of respect and unification of the system, GM Hassan attempted to clear this situation with Mr. Juchnick for years. When he could not get Mr. Juchnick to come forth and correct the information, he wrote to the publication company. Unfortunately, for political reasons, the company would not publish the information. Their response along with other letters are also in our possession. Fortunately, due to media vehicles such as this, the information can no longer be suppressed.
rlwr2 2 years ago
We do not seek any individuals praise or credibility as such things are relative to the characteristics of the individuals using them. GM Hassan has promoted GGM Mitoses system for years and has provided research into the system and its behavioral modification abilities at the university level and in other places. However, it is unnecessary for us comment on these matters as the essential concern is the preservation of GGM Mitoses ancient system, not individual accolades.
rlwr2 2 years ago
Moreover, the footage speaks for itself. The martial arts community has a right to know what they are learning and what they are not. It is the obligation of any instructor and human being to warn others of situations that would cause them harm.
rlwr2 2 years ago
Again what Mr. Juchnick knows and promotes outside of GGM Mitoses system is of no concern to us. If there is some archival information that Mr. Juchnick has that would clarify any of these things, it should be posted. You and others have indicated it exist, yet there has not been any other archival information posted by anyone else. Please post it, if it exists. We will wait.
rlwr2 2 years ago
No need to wait-call Bruce up, ask to see the records-or go to Sac,CA. He will show them to you.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Oh...political reasons was it. Did he show any documentation?No one is suppressing anything. It has all been out in the open a long time.What is new is all of the spin being put on it.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Documentation please.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
BTW...look at the "mon" on the patch used by Bruce, and the one used on some of these videos. Then look at GGM MItose's book "What is True Self Defense".
A small point,granted, but telling. Why was it changed (rotated)? Arnie Golub did it-did you know that? Why?
Paul Yamaguchi-Thomas Young and other original Hawaii students of GGM Mitose wanted Bruce to use the original design. If there was something wrong with Bruce or his understanding why would GGM Mistose's remaining students do this?
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Basically the manipulation of these tapes and conversations are being used to try to discredit the one person who kept the Kosho Shorei Ryu system alive. Hassan was awol. But Thomas Young and others weren't. They really loved Bruce for doing what he has done in preserving Kosho Ryu and the Mistose name. That is a fact.
All of this is dubious and one sided. You would have much more credibility if you had Bruces side presented with whatever sustantiation he may have by way of articles-etc.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Bruce was open and candid about what he did and did not study with GM MItose. Being incarcerated-they couldn't train in MA. But they could discuss concepts and ideas. Is that training?
He was open about Hassan and his role in the whole situation.
BTW..how did GM Mitose end up in prison to begin with? Where was Hassan? Did he have a role in any of that?
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
The position that you are presenting regarding GM Hassan has already been fleshed, dragged, and beat, in previous postings. What is interesting enough was that no where in the article did he even mention GM Hassan. He presented it again like he received the information regarding the system directly from GGM Mitose. This is a concern.
rlwr2 2 years ago
What was the conclusion about this issue? Not from posts-the facts?
Information from GGM Mitose to Bruce regarding the system.. Absolutely! I believe Bruce knew GGM Mitose BEFORE he knew Hassan. Bruce was introduced to GGM Mitose while he was still in Vacaville.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Too bad for you.....because this "fat, fake, false, drunk wannabe calling himself a martial artist" could eat you for breakfast.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
And I am sure he would try also... At least you did not try to argue that he is not fat,fake,false or drunk...
crazyvamps1 2 years ago
I have know Bruce for 30+years. I know Gulub and T Barro (he added Mitose name much later.)
Where would Kosho Ryu be if not for Bruce Jucknik? T. Barro is inarticulate, and has the charisma of a rock. He is (or was) ok as a martial artist,because he trained in Kajukenbo, his true linage. The little scamp Arnold is an opportunist. As far as Hassan...
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
look into it if you want the truth about this fellow. I did.
Bruce has a great heart- no matter what you see on the outside-he kept the name of Mitose out there with dignity and respect for the art of Kosho Shorei Ryu. He expanded the understanding of Martial Arts worldwide with devotion to study, practice-giving all the best of the arts.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
What has Arnie done? What has Barro done? Zip...Nada..that's what. Now they come up with this nonsense years later and make trouble . I remember when little Arnie followed Bruce around like a puppy-always scheming and trying to control things. He used Barro's less than powerful intellect against him, and manipulated him into thinking he was something he was and is not.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
And as far as Bruce "trying"..it is not even on his radar to deal with the the nay sayers and daydreamers. Why? He is still busy working to spread the martial arts. He is still giving his all to honor Grand Master Mitose.
So when you read this-look at things honestly and ask yourself what you do to enhance the lives of thousands of people all over the world by giving them knowledge and insiring them to grow as human beings. If you aren't doing more than Bruce Juchnik...shut up and get busy.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
The information presented is what it is. It documents where in fact Mr. Juchnick got much of the information he presented and passed on as direct instruction from GGM Mitose's. Mr. Juchnick is a very talented martial artist in many aspects. However, his expertise and the knowledge of Kempo as GGM Mitose taught it, is limited. It is this that is the concern.
rlwr2 2 years ago
As for GM Hassan, he is who he is. If there are any questions regarding this, he is still very much alive. I'm sure he would have no problem discussing such matters in person.
rlwr2 2 years ago
He is who he is. But who WAS he?
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
I think most martial artist know his history by now. But the question can also be posed of Mr. Juchnick. Did he physically train with GGM Mitose? Did he operate a school with him at any time? It is difficult to take things out of context, when Mr. Juchnick both said, and had it written that he never actually trained with GGM Mitose.
rlwr2 2 years ago
Did he physically train with GGM Mitose? Did he operate a school with him at any time? ANS: No, and he has openly said so for years.
"...It is difficult to take things out of context, when Mr. Juchnick both said, and had it written that he never actually trained with GGM Mitose"... Duh.
You can't have it both ways. He is not hiding it if he has openly spoke about. You make my point.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Making points does not seem relevant to what has occurred. However, let us examine your point. If he didn't physically train with Mitose and was shown the what, how, and why, of the system, then you have made the point that Mr. Juchnick is teaching his interpretation of GGM Mitose's system and not what Mitose showed him to do with training. This devalues and mariginalizes the system.
rlwr2 2 years ago
Funny thing, Thomas Young was not of that opinion. Sorry to say he is no longer with us to stand behind the method and teachings of Bruce.But I and many others spent a good deal of time with Mr. Young who worked closely with GM Mitose in Hawaii. He supported Bruce totally. You would think if something was askew..he would have brought it up. You do know Bruce visited GM Mitose while he was incarcerated. He went over the concepts of Kosho Kempo many,many times with Bruce during that time.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
The information is what it is. But how is it presented? Is there a real urgency for truth, or is this a form of media manipulation used to further another agenda? Where are the videos showing Bruce talking about all of this-which would present a more balanced reporting of the information? Hence-the agenda of the poster is exposed as less than altruistic.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
The concern again is the instruction of something you have never done. We see here in one article Mr. Juchnick explains how the guards let he and GGM Mitose work very hard together and at times did physical training. At another time, he says they had done no physical training at all. There is a difference in training and philosophizing. Training involves physical practice and activity. What could he practice from GGM Mitose if he wasn't shown what to practice?
rlwr2 2 years ago
I am not sure what this video is supposed to be demonstrating...
mpeters220 2 years ago
I can see I should have studied Nimr Hassan instead of having Bruce Juchnik at my Hombu
officiallkoshoryu 2 years ago
Oh brother!
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Thanks again, Hanshi Richard Buchan.
OfficialKoshoRyu 2 years ago
Thank you for your posting.
rlwr2 2 years ago
Hello, The Account That You See "HanshiBuchan" is NOT me it is a fraudulent account made for the sole purpose of slander apologize for any disharmony this may have caused, this persons actions which are completely uncalled for. please just be aware that is not me, my real account is, and always will be "OfficialKoshoRyu" i am NOT associated with any other youtube channel, nor do i post on any other account. youtube will be notified about the fake account, and hopefully it will be removed.
OfficialKoshoRyu 2 years ago
It is because Grandmaster Hassan learned from GGM, that the preservation of the system supersedes money, power, notoriety, or anything else that the information was presented. If what is being taught physically, mentally, and spiritually is coming under false pretenses, than it is this illusion that destroys the harmony of the system. Deception based upon truth is the worst deception of all. Disharmony can only exist where truth does not.
rlwr2 2 years ago
This post makes zero sense. Who is posting these videos on Youtube? Hassan? I have never met a Kosho practitioner who's cared WHERE Juchnik got his knowledge. What he teaches works and works amazingly. The real controversy is where Mitose got his knowledge. Even in regards to that, I don't care! It works!
ZhuangziZhou 2 years ago
There are two sides to every coin. The better question seems to be why hasnt the coin ever been turned over not why is someone turning it over. Is it nitpicking to provide information on an ancient system that will protect someone during a crisis situation? Harmony requests honesty and honesty requests one to be truthful with oneself.
rlwr2 2 years ago
fascinating. more please. and your comments would be most appreciated.
sifugregg 3 years ago
intresting
sizzla123 3 years ago
In response to the martial arts community, we would like to present additional archival footage regarding Mr. Juchnik and Grandmaster Hassan. Again, these are not our opinions but merely historical accounts of the events which transpired. Most of the information is available to the public.
rlwr2 3 years ago
These mean nothing. I and most everyone close to Bruce knew about these times with Hassan. And the phone calls, and the role Hassan played in Kosho, and the role Bruce played. Text out of context is pretext. And that is what you are doing here. I wonder about the motivation of someone bringing this all up now in this apparent attempt to smear someone. What agenda lurks behind this nonsense would be interesting to know.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Very interesting. The question then becomes why was it never brought forth by those who knew (other than GM Hassan) or even Mr. Juchnick himself? If we are taught to be like the bamboo, why should we be like the serpent that hides its head? It is interesting to see what agenda existed both then in the suppression of the information and now in the attempt to dismiss it.
rlwr2 2 years ago
If the information means nothing, then why contest it to begin with? The information is what it is. It is there for anyone to see it because it is history. We cannot assume that the public has our opinion and dismiss any historical documentation as nonsense. We insult our fellow humans when we believe what we think is the final interpretation. The story seems to tell itself here.
rlwr2 2 years ago
Obviously, many people didn't know this information existed. Further, people are entitled to know when they are engaged in something that may cause them injury. Again, what Mr. Juchnick has presented is a limited version at best of GGM Mitose's system. Therefore, the only agenda is the preservation of the system as GGM Mitose taught it.
rlwr2 2 years ago
You wrote.."why should we be like the serpent that hides its head? It is interesting to see what agenda existed both then in the suppression of the information "..This information was available to any one at any time, with just a call to Bruce or attending any seminar where Bruce taught.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Why contest it? I, for my part am not contesting the information-just the method of disseminating it in the now all too obvious political methodology of personal assassination. You are peeing on our shoes and telling us it is raining.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Again, this information should have been available from the beginning. The information was presented the way it was recorded. We have never dismissed anything Mr. Juchnick knows regarding other systems. In other systems we have heard he is very talented. We can however, question his expertise in GGM Mitose's Kempo.
rlwr2 2 years ago
So the endorsement from many of the original students of GGM Mitose doesn't count, but Hassan's does? Is that what you are saying? These men worked and trained with GGM Mitose before Hassan was born. They endorsed both Bruce's understanding and application of Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo/Karate. Were they fooled? I think not.
Who are the "we" that you refer to here?
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
Bruce never hid anything from anyone, otherwise Thomas Young-Adriano Emperado and all of the Kosho Shorei groups wouldn't have known this years ago. Thomas Barro Mitose-and even Arnie Golub would have smeared it all over the place a long time ago. So why now? It is the lop sided prejudice that I for one dismiss.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago
The question does not seem to be why is someone flipping the coin, the question seems to be why hasn't anyone flipped it before. If Mr. Juchnick had wanted to put the information about GGM Hassan and where the instruction came from, he would have said so in the articles and not claim it as his own. If you have documentation saying anything contrary, please post it. If not, then It seems as though there was an agenda from the start.
rlwr2 2 years ago
Hassan was low on the radar,perhaps at his own insistance,I can't say. But I do know nothing was coming from him re: Kosho to anyone on the MA stage for years as Bruce was working to promote the art and honor the linage. Don't you find that interesting? I do. Why didn't he come out in 1983?1989? 1995? 1999?2002? 2005? WHERE WAS HE? No,no one said anything until recently about whatever doubts they may have had.
Contact Bruce for any archival material-they have it in California.
davidavraham2008 2 years ago