I still get chills at this line. Best line in what I think is a highly overrated book. But this line alone ranks up there with the best from Shakespeare and the scriptures.
I swear right here and now that I am going to try hard to remember and make these my final words before I die on my deathbed. My family around me might be confused as hell but whatever. Too bad for them hahahahaHAHA!
@angrygamereviews :If you look on the bookshelf on the Botany Bay - You can clearly see "Moby Dick" there. The tale of two cities points towards Kirk and Spocks personal journeys throughout the film.
thou i think it would be proper to forgive my enimies at the time of my death,i cant be sure at that day that i wont say the same thing before i die,i hope not
You now what really pissed me off about the TNG movie "First Contact" is that it completely ripped off the moby dick bit. Picard recites a line as he contemplates his own "New found" obsession with the Borg, and how it will destroy him. Not only is it misquoted it rips on this movie for reusing the same book for another film. At least when Khan quoted it was right and he sounded bloody bad ass. Wrath of Khan is still the best one of the lot.
@gmcclelland1992 And TWOK didn't rip from Moby Dick? As much as I like and love Star Trek in general, TWOK pretty much was Moby Dick in space. Brilliantly executed yes, but still, a rip.
This one was originally rated R for Strong sci-fi violence and breif strong language but was re-edited for a PG according to a movie guide I once read. This Star Trek and The Thing was 2 of the best movies that was released in the year 1982, my birth year. My mom always told me that I was marked as a baby.
You cannot get over the genius of Montalban (hope I spelled it right) as Khan. He brought his full power to this role and completely outshone everyone else. I think too this was his only stint as a bad guy and he played the wronged/revenge role beautifully. How he did NOT get an Oscar for his role to this day is still beyond my comprehension. He played this line with sublime feeling. Here he reminds me of a coiled, deadly calculating snake. I have nothing but admiration for him :D
So busy explaining, critiqing and annalizing what it all means.... that so many people forget to just enjoy it (which is supposed to be the whole point of its existence)
@astclair Not entirely true. Nick Meyer says you should DEFINITLY be able to discuss a film intellectually after you've seen it, otherwise it was totally without meaning.
Only Ricardo Montalban could have been Khan. Even in the original TV series he stood out as elegant, and at the same time, deadly. In that series he meets Mrs. Khan, remember? And he was captivated by her! In ST II "Wrath" he describes how the creatures he "gifted"Chekov and his Captain with; destroyed her, and how Kirk would pay for her loss. I could respect that. A good woman is worth a crew and its Captain. Or should I say, Admiral...?
@pluto4847 ..no he didn't..in the end of the original episode, Kirk gave him a planet to rule, like he requested....Kirk didn't know the planet was going to blow up. The Federation didn't even know it was gone. Kahn was just insane and needed to blame someone.
Yeah I know he's willing to even kill himself if it means that Kirk will die too. That's how deep his obsession for revenge is. I also liked the ahab stuff in "first contact" because it was interesting to see Picard be like that and how far he was willing to go to get his revenge against the Borg until he listened to reason and his better judgement kicked in and he didn't let it control him.
@crazydavythe1st It was his last act and breath. It was a conscious decision. His choice was simple, hate or repent. He thought he was going to win. The Genesis effect is much more potent than a spear to a giant whale.
@ProfessorDreadNaught Yeah I think Khan quoted Moby Dick being fully aware of the fact that he was paralleling Captain Ahab. He viewed his personal quest for vengeance as something he simply had to do. Regardless of the potential for death and failure.
Khan's own obsessive quest to destroy Kirk, even at the expense of his own crew mirrors perfectly Ahab's obsession with killing the white whale. I imagine the book's inclusion in the film was far from accidental.
@ProfessorDreadNaught I can't think of any *books* that do right offhand, but I can think of another canon Star Trek entry that does: Captain Picard's personal vengeance in destroying the Borg assimilating his ship in the First Contact movie; Lily even compares Picard to Ahab while calling him out on his blind hatred of the Borg, and Picard even seals the deal by quoting the book directly: 'And he piled upon the whale's white hump, the sum of all the rage and hate...' etc etc.
@DorianMichaelsIII Yes. And in this movie, Kirk takes the opposite position, not allowing Khan to become an all consuming obsession. And it is Kirk's crew, specifically his best friend, who saves the day while Khan sacrifices his crew to his obsession. It is the same thing Picard was doing when he called Worf a coward.
@ProfessorDreadNaught Do not know if this has been answered but a tale of two cites references the heroes. The the beginning of tale of two cities "best of times"and the ending "the needs of the many" are referenced in the movie. Also kirk and spocks relationship mirrors Sydney's and Charles from the novel . This is why the Wrath of khan is the best.
Sometimes I sympathize with Kahn. I mean here is a guy who lost everything thanks to Kirk.
Kahn is the unsung hero of Star Trek 2. He was portrayed as the villian, but he deeply cared for the life of his extended family--even showing emotion when his young apprentice dies. Kahn was indeed the hero. Kirk, I feel was the villian here.
While khan's motivation makes sense for wanting to go after kirk at the same time though he's still arrogrant because he doesn't at least blame himself in part for why they were exiled to ceti alpha five which is in character for him and really it's because of his need for vengeance that his people are dead so while he did care about them he was still blinded by his need for revenge. You can sympathise with him but you can also see how flawed he is.
And to be fair to Kirk no promises were made that they would check up on them because why would they? I would have thought that exile would also mean isolation.
@pluto4847 Wasn't Khan all for the exile at the end of Space Seed? He did ask Kirk if he knew his Milton (the rule in Hell than serve in Heaven bit) and said he gained a world and an empire to build. Kirk was not all to blame for Khan's troubles, Khan has to assume some of it himself. What happened on Ceti Alpha V and what happened the 15 years prior was all beyond both Kirk's and Khan's control.
yes, but imagine what Khan went through. he had a world to rule with his people, he was happy, but then he lost his world and his love, and had to exert every ounce of his power surviving for 15 years. he was probably far beyond reason by the time he was found, and since Kirk was the only man in the universe capable of saving him, he decided that Kirk was responsibal by assosiation; again, he was probably partially mad by this point, explaining his obsessive behavior.
Yes, totally. Except that Khan had already shown his hand by trying to take over the world in the eugenics wars, before abandoning his followers and escaping on the 'Botany Bay'. Then he tried to screw over Kirk. But apart from that I totally agree.
@shelltune Oh no. It was intentional. The director Nick Meyer said so. He used a couple of classics of old literature. including "A Tale of Two Cities"- "it was the best of times, and the worst of times..."
"Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."
He's one of the reasons this is quickly becoming one of my favorite movies. There are certainly movies with better effects, even from the time, but Khan and the performance of the rest of the cast just draws you in.
And then he is killed in gaining his vengeance, and like in the book the object of his hate doesn't actually die. I like this film, the best of the Star Trek films IMNSHO.
this sounds like obama
why760nitro 4 weeks ago
@oneleggedspider good vs evil? Moby Dick is about man vs beast and man vs himself.
alexwilsonNC 1 month ago
Ricardo Montalban!
alexwilsonNC 1 month ago
Was the pace accelerated? It just seems like he tossed his way up that console a bit jerky.
Brockhad 1 month ago
This so reminds me of Captain Neron..In my opinion..Khan and Neron are to me victims of lost..Therefor not villains
FAproduction1 2 months ago
one of the best villains of all time
darthbriboy 2 months ago
Easily the best Star Trek villian. I cant think of anyone else who gets close.
KHAAAAAAAANNN 2 months ago 5
I like the move it is good
brickedin 2 months ago
I always wondered if kahn was making some face or died just then..
knowpassword 3 months ago
I still get chills at this line. Best line in what I think is a highly overrated book. But this line alone ranks up there with the best from Shakespeare and the scriptures.
logant44 4 months ago
I swear right here and now that I am going to try hard to remember and make these my final words before I die on my deathbed. My family around me might be confused as hell but whatever. Too bad for them hahahahaHAHA!
....wait
*head begins to shake uncontrollably*
KHAAAAAAAN!!!!
billyboyjennings 5 months ago 2
Ah, a classic.
TriviaFreak 5 months ago
"From hell's heart I stab at thee." Shit just got serious.
Kev95682 5 months ago
Moby Dick..read it. The ultimate badass struggle between good and evil.
oneleggedspider 5 months ago
@oneleggedspider Moby Dick has nothing to do with a "struggle between good and evil."
omegahunterx 4 months ago
@oneleggedspider "He was intent on an audacious, immitigable, and supernatural revenge...."
Hendo56 3 months ago
@angrygamereviews :If you look on the bookshelf on the Botany Bay - You can clearly see "Moby Dick" there. The tale of two cities points towards Kirk and Spocks personal journeys throughout the film.
Aikman666 6 months ago
thou i think it would be proper to forgive my enimies at the time of my death,i cant be sure at that day that i wont say the same thing before i die,i hope not
elijah1479 6 months ago
You now what really pissed me off about the TNG movie "First Contact" is that it completely ripped off the moby dick bit. Picard recites a line as he contemplates his own "New found" obsession with the Borg, and how it will destroy him. Not only is it misquoted it rips on this movie for reusing the same book for another film. At least when Khan quoted it was right and he sounded bloody bad ass. Wrath of Khan is still the best one of the lot.
gmcclelland1992 6 months ago
@gmcclelland1992 And TWOK didn't rip from Moby Dick? As much as I like and love Star Trek in general, TWOK pretty much was Moby Dick in space. Brilliantly executed yes, but still, a rip.
chrismc410 3 months ago
Herman Melville was a brilliant motherfucking author.
doozerace 7 months ago
@doozerace it's true
cherryblossompath 6 months ago
For hate sake, I spit my last irradiated breath at thee.
SteelVelocity 8 months ago 2
zombieee
papaslake 9 months ago
Kirk disliked this video- he doesen't like what Khan's final words were
elcap22 9 months ago 4
Moby Dick was on the book shelf in the Botany Bay wreckage.
blahblahblahuser 10 months ago
Kahn's parting words to Kirk before being marooned on Ceti Alpha 5: "Have you ever read Melville, Captain?"
Ripley44224 1 month ago
@Ripley44224 Or was it Milton? Oh well.
Ripley44224 1 month ago
trecky's
dyllman5 10 months ago
This one was originally rated R for Strong sci-fi violence and breif strong language but was re-edited for a PG according to a movie guide I once read. This Star Trek and The Thing was 2 of the best movies that was released in the year 1982, my birth year. My mom always told me that I was marked as a baby.
TonyShow82 11 months ago
Damned whale.
CuteHulu 1 year ago
So what he is trying to say is that Captain Kirk is a big Dick! How dare he!!!
MrHaithwaite1992 1 year ago
You cannot get over the genius of Montalban (hope I spelled it right) as Khan. He brought his full power to this role and completely outshone everyone else. I think too this was his only stint as a bad guy and he played the wronged/revenge role beautifully. How he did NOT get an Oscar for his role to this day is still beyond my comprehension. He played this line with sublime feeling. Here he reminds me of a coiled, deadly calculating snake. I have nothing but admiration for him :D
shkotay 1 year ago
Found Moby Dick!
aseriousman91 1 year ago
I still see him as Mr. Roark. Fantasy island. Lol
gsxrbuckeye 1 year ago
So busy explaining, critiqing and annalizing what it all means.... that so many people forget to just enjoy it (which is supposed to be the whole point of its existence)
astclair 1 year ago
@astclair Not entirely true. Nick Meyer says you should DEFINITLY be able to discuss a film intellectually after you've seen it, otherwise it was totally without meaning.
OpenMawProductions 1 year ago
@astclair The mark of a truly good movie is that is sparks this kind of discussion.
If it was just supposed to be another slasher/sci-fi effects film, no one would still be talking about it 29 years later.
m4rcus4ur31ius 11 months ago
Only Ricardo Montalban could have been Khan. Even in the original TV series he stood out as elegant, and at the same time, deadly. In that series he meets Mrs. Khan, remember? And he was captivated by her! In ST II "Wrath" he describes how the creatures he "gifted"Chekov and his Captain with; destroyed her, and how Kirk would pay for her loss. I could respect that. A good woman is worth a crew and its Captain. Or should I say, Admiral...?
Descanse en paz, Ricardo.
DZL
dieselheart001 1 year ago
Nooooo, Noooo, U can't get away! I just love this scene. Kahn deserved his vengeance!
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 ..no he didn't..in the end of the original episode, Kirk gave him a planet to rule, like he requested....Kirk didn't know the planet was going to blow up. The Federation didn't even know it was gone. Kahn was just insane and needed to blame someone.
WiseGuy5674 1 year ago 4
@WiseGuy5674
Well I can relate to Kahn. To me, Kahn is the unsung hero. I love Kahn's wrath! Its justified. Kirk was a jerk.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@WiseGuy5674
Did someone ever wrong you, and you wanted revenge? When someone wronged me, I'd watch this scene over and over again and imagined I was Kahn.
pluto4847 1 year ago
Khan was to a bad charchater but i was sad when his fleet died
startrek1992 1 year ago
Revenge is great!
UltimoLatino 1 year ago
khan needed a glass cabinet with mini reliant models to smash with a phaser rifles so he could let off some steam.
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago 3
This si obvious. Kahn realises he's ahab but embraces his fate with hatred willingly.
If only he had a trophy cabinet full of little reliant's to smash with his phaser rifle he might see some sense.
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
Yeah I know he's willing to even kill himself if it means that Kirk will die too. That's how deep his obsession for revenge is. I also liked the ahab stuff in "first contact" because it was interesting to see Picard be like that and how far he was willing to go to get his revenge against the Borg until he listened to reason and his better judgement kicked in and he didn't let it control him.
mummra4ever 1 year ago 2
That's going out like a gangsta.
cballsack 1 year ago
It's interesting that he quotes this, and yet doesn't see the fault in it.
crazydavythe1st 1 year ago 7
@crazydavythe1st It was his last act and breath. It was a conscious decision. His choice was simple, hate or repent. He thought he was going to win. The Genesis effect is much more potent than a spear to a giant whale.
ProfessorDreadNaught 1 year ago 32
@ProfessorDreadNaught they both represent the obsession of one man that takes down his whole ship.
dannyboy12357 7 months ago
@ProfessorDreadNaught Beautifully said. And I'd hope one would always choose hate over repentance.
mysongsend 6 months ago
@ProfessorDreadNaught And, as he sees the Enterprise slowly limping away Khan savors the cold taste of victory and, by extension, revenge.
Too bad he doesn't see what comes next...
cleekmaker00 3 months ago
@ProfessorDreadNaught Yeah I think Khan quoted Moby Dick being fully aware of the fact that he was paralleling Captain Ahab. He viewed his personal quest for vengeance as something he simply had to do. Regardless of the potential for death and failure.
CaptHawkeye 1 week ago
Khan's own obsessive quest to destroy Kirk, even at the expense of his own crew mirrors perfectly Ahab's obsession with killing the white whale. I imagine the book's inclusion in the film was far from accidental.
shelltune 2 years ago 33
Precisely why I posted this clip. It sums up the antagonist position in this film and story. What books or references do the same for the heroes?
ProfessorDreadNaught 2 years ago 14
Yes it's all very insightful.
Cant you just enjoy it for what it is though?
astclair 1 year ago
@ProfessorDreadNaught I can't think of any *books* that do right offhand, but I can think of another canon Star Trek entry that does: Captain Picard's personal vengeance in destroying the Borg assimilating his ship in the First Contact movie; Lily even compares Picard to Ahab while calling him out on his blind hatred of the Borg, and Picard even seals the deal by quoting the book directly: 'And he piled upon the whale's white hump, the sum of all the rage and hate...' etc etc.
DorianMichaelsIII 1 year ago
@DorianMichaelsIII Yes. And in this movie, Kirk takes the opposite position, not allowing Khan to become an all consuming obsession. And it is Kirk's crew, specifically his best friend, who saves the day while Khan sacrifices his crew to his obsession. It is the same thing Picard was doing when he called Worf a coward.
fjccommish 10 months ago
@ProfessorDreadNaught Do not know if this has been answered but a tale of two cites references the heroes. The the beginning of tale of two cities "best of times"and the ending "the needs of the many" are referenced in the movie. Also kirk and spocks relationship mirrors Sydney's and Charles from the novel . This is why the Wrath of khan is the best.
jparso3 9 months ago
Sometimes I sympathize with Kahn. I mean here is a guy who lost everything thanks to Kirk.
Kahn is the unsung hero of Star Trek 2. He was portrayed as the villian, but he deeply cared for the life of his extended family--even showing emotion when his young apprentice dies. Kahn was indeed the hero. Kirk, I feel was the villian here.
pluto4847 1 year ago
While khan's motivation makes sense for wanting to go after kirk at the same time though he's still arrogrant because he doesn't at least blame himself in part for why they were exiled to ceti alpha five which is in character for him and really it's because of his need for vengeance that his people are dead so while he did care about them he was still blinded by his need for revenge. You can sympathise with him but you can also see how flawed he is.
mummra4ever 1 year ago
And to be fair to Kirk no promises were made that they would check up on them because why would they? I would have thought that exile would also mean isolation.
mummra4ever 1 year ago
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DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
@pluto4847 Wasn't Khan all for the exile at the end of Space Seed? He did ask Kirk if he knew his Milton (the rule in Hell than serve in Heaven bit) and said he gained a world and an empire to build. Kirk was not all to blame for Khan's troubles, Khan has to assume some of it himself. What happened on Ceti Alpha V and what happened the 15 years prior was all beyond both Kirk's and Khan's control.
chrismc410 3 months ago
@chrismc410
yes, but imagine what Khan went through. he had a world to rule with his people, he was happy, but then he lost his world and his love, and had to exert every ounce of his power surviving for 15 years. he was probably far beyond reason by the time he was found, and since Kirk was the only man in the universe capable of saving him, he decided that Kirk was responsibal by assosiation; again, he was probably partially mad by this point, explaining his obsessive behavior.
Capstain259 2 months ago
@Capstain259
Yes, totally. Except that Khan had already shown his hand by trying to take over the world in the eugenics wars, before abandoning his followers and escaping on the 'Botany Bay'. Then he tried to screw over Kirk. But apart from that I totally agree.
redmeph10 1 month ago
@shelltune Except that the book kirk got in the movie was a tale of two cities not moby dick
angrygamereviews 6 months ago
@shelltune Oh no. It was intentional. The director Nick Meyer said so. He used a couple of classics of old literature. including "A Tale of Two Cities"- "it was the best of times, and the worst of times..."
Hendo56 3 months ago
From Moby-Dick:
"Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."
krosero 2 years ago 49
@krosero that is MASSIVELY profound.
dieselheart001 1 year ago
that's what i call an actor
SupaFastVideos 2 years ago 73
@SupaFastVideos
He's one of the reasons this is quickly becoming one of my favorite movies. There are certainly movies with better effects, even from the time, but Khan and the performance of the rest of the cast just draws you in.
forddog5 1 year ago
We still read Greek and Roman authors today. Whats so surprising about him knowing some 'old' literature? And in any case, he is the ubermensch .
mgayford 2 years ago
Only Ricardo could deliver that line that way, great moment
burrheadjr 2 years ago 3
yeah but Khan read Moby Dick while on Ceti Alpha V - or at least he has a copy of it in his shelter
Shhhsplain 2 years ago 2
Moby Dick!?
TomSaunders89 3 years ago
Yup, Herman Melville all the way. You have to be impressed 1k-2k years into the future.....they still read the classics.
JPearson1987 3 years ago 2
Khan is from 1997. Who knows if people actually born in the future remember Melville or not? Although they seem to remember Dickens and Shakespeare.
JoeChill 2 years ago
Moby Dick still seems to be required reading even then. Picard quoted it in First Contact, as well.
Yonkage 2 years ago 2
@Yonkage or maybe its that the story for the film was written with moby-dick in mind.
agents1986 1 year ago
And then he is killed in gaining his vengeance, and like in the book the object of his hate doesn't actually die. I like this film, the best of the Star Trek films IMNSHO.
hellahulla 3 years ago 2
Kaaahhhnnn!!!!!!!!!
ernhrdthero 3 years ago