It is true that the F22 after 1.5 hour flight you need to renovate 30 hours to renew and stealth paint that frames a break? In Europe, circulate such rumors do not know how it really is. Sorry for mistakes but I explained googkle because I am 16 years old and I'm Polish English well yet unknown :(
THE NEW STV ERA IN AVIATION STARTED in ISRAEL w. 1st-EVER flight of Stealth, Tailless 3D Vectoring. (5/18/1987 Av. Week). Facebook video ["Benjamin Gal-Or"] explains STV Super-Kill-Ratio, Extra TO/L-safety (Civil & military), thereby ending dominance of common stall/spin dangerous aero-control. F-35/22 T50 exploit only part of STV potential, Tailless= better stealth, reduced drag/structure/weight/fuel. Next generation STV: X44MANTA, X47b, X-48c, NGB.
Did anyone else catch the quick rudder movement at 5:10? You have to pay real close attention to catch it. This is my 30 time watching this and I just noticed it!
favorite part for me is at 6:40...it it starts off like the super hornet tail stand but instead of climbing dozer slows the aircraft on a dime and goes right into an aoa like pass. sweeet
yall play to much damn ace combat... the f22a is a perfectly fine plane it is not too fast its not a sitting duck... if it had a HUGE disadvantage... the US would not use it...
in a dogfight it has little to do with which type of aircraft you are using, pilot skill and experience is most important... and i know most of us have not piloted any of these jets
I said take the stealth away from th f-22 and the Su-47 will fly circles aroun it. It is way more manuverable and can fly faster than a Raptor. And for the G forces, Moga can handle 10.5 but only for a few seconds without G-lock. With the stealth the F-22 is the best and most expensive plane in the world.
Both are very good planes regardless of which would win. Even if the typhoon is better at close range the f 22 is still more usefull in a real war stituation because of its stealth.
which would win a F22, Su 47 or a Eurofighter Typhoon?. I don't know that much about planes, however i think the F22 has a higher top speed of over 2.0 mach and the F22 has a better subsonic turn rate. The Typhoon has a better supersonic turn rate and is cheaper. Both accelerate at around the same speed and both can acheive super cruise. And i know nothing about that Su 47 thing.
belbo is pretty much exactly on.. if the planes start at like 100 NM, then the F22 no doubt... if a dogfight though, it'd be pretty close, but my bet would definitely be on the F22... haha
If it weren't for the stealth the F-22 is a sittin duck. Man the typhoon and the any of the Su series could fly circles around the F-22. The F-22 may be fast but that hurts it at close range. It would take a UAV to turn very tight at 10+ G's its impossible for a human to take those g forces.
i read somewhere that the raptor made its first operational interception of a russian tu-95 bear?? if someone can respond and tell me anymore that would be awsome, btw i love all of you comments except the guy that said the raptor is crap, fuckin 3rd world people haha
Basically, the russians wanted knew of the f-15 groundings and knew that Raptors were going to fill the gap during the f-15 retrofits in alaska. So the russians sent their bears to get an upclose and perhaps try to shoot some of their own vintage radar signals at it to see what kind of radar feedbacks they can get since our raptors have stealth.
I'm no expert vine139 but IMO the EF would win. Both are considered to have higher sustained/instantaneous turn-rates than any other fighters, so both should have exceptional abilities in a turning fight and there are a lot of factors to take into consideration. The the decisive factor though is that the EF has a helmet mounted cueing system system which the F-22 currently lacks altogether; it gives the EF a huge advantage.
The Rhino drivers down at Oceana actually have the new JHMCS helmets. They look badass and futuristic all at once. Good chance that the USAF won't be far behind in employing them. I'll put the vid up soon.
SemperApollo, there is no plans to integrate JHMCS on the F-22 AFAIK, in fact right now there is no integration of the AIM-9X either. That said against fighters it's fought in exercises so far there have been very few WVR engagements; which is how it should be.
I guess that makes sense due to the Raptor's role as air superiority and not a knifefighter. Some of the VA ANG Viper pilots said they hate training with Raptors since they get killed before they even pick them up on radar. Of course now the VA ANG is flying Raptors...if you can't beat em, join em!
Watch youtube and this link watch?v=vIvgBbXKL5E and you will see how much the F22 suck - its all info from US congress, not from Europe - the F22 is a flying Enron - stop getting your info from movies like Transformers
Report to US congress 2007 (GAO-07-406SP on page 78):
The F22 have at least 2 structural problems:
- The F22 have cracks (up to 18 cm)in the aircraft's aft boom where the horizontal tail attaches to the fuselage.
-The F22 have cracs in "titanium casting" materials near the engine.
A key reliability requirement for the F-22A is a 3-hour mean time between maintenance, but right now its LESS than 1 hour! The F22 is junk, its very unreliable!
Since this whole mess began with this so called Su-37 doing "helicopter", just type "Su-37 presentation video" which clearly shows the difference between KnAAPO Su-37 and IAIA Su-30MK. Nicely shows nozzle movements & maneuver animations. The F22 TVC is similar to Su-37 (Pitch vectoring). Not advance like the MKI or OVT. Yet the F22 does maneuvers Su-37 havent done (Double-Pedal, Back-flip + 180', Helicopter(ish) maneuvers) Therefore F22 is no push over when it comes to AirShow antics.
Excellent point. The US experimented with 3D thrust vectoring in the F-16 MATV. The "Double Pedal" maneuver's yaw is controlled with the rudders (and whatever other surfaces the DFCS wants to throw in). The rudders on the production Raptors are actually more powerful than predicted in the prototyping stage.
Like I said before, the f-22's helicopter is MUCH slower than the su-30's, and the su-37 has a much higher angle of atack seen in its cobra maneuver. It can sustain 120+ degrees while the f-22 can sustain a mere 90 degrees.
Actually, the SU-27 would pass through 90 on its way to 120 degrees (two seat version was too nose-heavy to go past 90). For the -27 (not sure if its the same in the -35), the angle of attack limiters had to be turned off, or the stick yanked past a saftey detent in order to do the Cobra. The F-22 on the other hand is always under the watchful eye of the DFCS.
Alpha and nose position are related but not the same. Dozer did get the nose beyond 90 when doing his "pinwheels" behind the crowd, and the nose did go to roughly 90 degrees nose high in the hover, but the alpha wasn't past 90 degrees. Watch where the whole plane is going (velocity vector) versus where the nose is to tell.
Hey, thats what the comment sections are for. Look at some of the 2006 F-22 videos by airshowfansh and you'll see the Raptor doing...well it looks like a Kulbit but with even more precision. I haven't seen any Su-3x helicopter videos. In fact if anyone wants to post some, I'd appreciate it.
Actually there are several especially from MAKS2003/2005. No question about the Su30MKI doing the helicopter though it doesnt look graceful/stable as MiG29OVT The whole point is F22 achieves a degree of YAW movement without the advance TVC of the above 2 A/Cs. OVT has 3D TVC MKI has asymmetric 2D TVC & nozzles canted inwards 30' F22 has simpler 2D SYMMETRIC TVC -/+ 20' like the older Su37 & Su37 has canards But F22 can do more in the air than the Su37 (ex. Double-pedal[yaw -/+180])
If u see the cobras of the f-22 and the su-37, there is a significant difference. The f-22 can sustain 90 degrees while the su-37 can sustain 120. Plus the su-27's cobra is similar to cobra of the f-22 considering that the plane is much older.
To Mr. SemperApollo: My sincere apologies for taking this so way off-topic. But when someone says the Su37 can do the Helicopter, well just couldnt keep my mouth shut. Oh & to others, why not checkout "sukhoi dot org" go to the Video & Military aviation galleries. Which plane is now doing the Helicopter? And type "flankers dot co dot uk". A guy called Ken Duffey has a wonderful reference on flankers. Plus pls do point me to any video where Su37 does helicopter :D :D
Its quite weird people still judge maneuverability by a few airshows tumbles be it the Raptor/flanker/or whatever. Even dogfights happen at much higher altitudes & at high-speed, high-G' environments. Airshow low-speed handling does NOT equal maneuverability. F22 & Typhoon were designed for sustained supersonic, hi-G' maneuvering. Su-35BM, will be able to do similar moves (Hi-speed, Hi-G). I guess if the Su37 was so capable the Russians must be crazy building another flanker for RusAF right?
Why wont Indians purchase the Su-37? Chinese? Russians? Why are the Chinese making J-11B/S? Why are the Russians building a brand new flanker called the Su-35BM? Even the Su-35BM is not specifically made to counter the Raptor! Russia's answer to the F-22 is the PAK-FA! PAK-FA, a plane with SuperCruise, Supermaneurability Stealth etc, etc! No why would they do that when they have the mighty Su-37? :o :o :o
So this Non-existent, helicopter non-performing mighty Su37 if its was so great & will kick-ass in the future why havent anyone bought it? Why are the Russians building the Su-35BM? Pls dont confuse the Su35BM with the older Su35 you saw in the mid 90s. Su35BM is brand new flanker. Su-35BM is considered to be the ultimate incarnation of the Flanker! Other than the external appearance, it has almost nothing in common with other flankers you have seen before. Technology this is very different
Huh? Tell that to the Indians. MiG-29OVT has been appearing at airshows for sometime now! The MiG-35 (Super MiG-29 + MiG-29OVT) made it appearance at the Aero-India 2007. It is the leading candidate for IAFs MMRCA completion. And according to the Russians the plane is ready to go. It is defined as the ultimate incarnation of the MiG-29. It has some very advance technologies. Its beautiful plane!
Yes! MiG-35 that flew in Aero-India 2007 didnt have TVC. But, the TVC in the MiG29OVT is available for MiG-35 upon CUSTOMER REQUEST! It is designed to accommodate even better TVC. OVT is essentially a demo plane showing the new 3D TVC tech. MiG-35 is the REAL plane that will be bought buy airforces. Its the leading candidate for the MMRCA. If the IAF wants TVC they can have it. According to the Russians the MiG35 that flew at Aero-India 2007 is pretty much the production variant
"the TVC in the MiG29OVT is available for MiG-35 upon CUSTOMER REQUEST!"
I'm willing to bet no one will want the TVC option !
Believe it or not the Typhoon has 3d/2d TVC as an option, it's 3d TVC can even be added to existing engines without additional control units because they are integrated. The question is though will anyone want the TVC option ? up to now it's a definite no, even Russia themselves have no operational fighters using TVC !
Unlike youtube here are some aviation specific sites (or should I say keywords to sites) Google: pilot strizhi (this is in russian) aviapedia patricks aviation Check whether Su37 performs "Helicopter"! Or was it Su-30MK & MiG-29OVT? About China (Su30MKK, Su27SK, J11/J11A/J11B) Google: chinese military aviation China-Defense forum sino defence About India (Su30MKI) Google: bharat-rakshak So Russia/China/India bothered about Su-37? At aviapedia there are nice stuff about Su35BM & MiG35
It's a matter of time. Once the Russians/Chinese/Indians develop a counter-stealth technology for the f-22, the su-37 will win with its better maeunverability. Have you ever seen the f-22 do 2 kulbits in a row?
*Sigh* Su37? All I can say is 'the what? Su37 is no more. Times have changed. The new Sukhoi super-flanker is the Su-35BM. Still a year or 2 from us seeing it at AirShows. Until then mantel of Sukhoi King goes to Su-30MKI/MKM. I saw the Su37 with my own eyes back in 96. Su37 does little or no yaw maneuvering. It has 2D symmetric vectoring like the F-22. Yet the F-22 can perform the Double-Pedal, Helicopter & a back-flip flowed by 180' yaw maneuver [continued..]
For your info. china is trying to get the license to build su-37 in their country. The su-37 is not done yet. The su-37's thrust vectoring is several degrees more than the f-22 thus more meanuverable.
Really? I have followed the chinese military developments for the past 10 yrs & I must say china has moved to its own flanker "J-11B". J11B is an indigernized, highly modified Su27SK. Has little in common with the original Su-27SK (Other than the basic Air-frame). It powered by their own engine WS-10A. They have tested 3D TVC nozzles (albeit separately) There are NO Su37 orders from the PLAAF! However they are looking into Su-27KUB (Su-33UB) for carrier related stuff. But still no orders!
Sukhoi has proposed to sell its latest plane to china.
"Moscow has said it would sell its latest, most technologically advanced fighter plane to the Chinese government -- the Su-37 -- as part of Russia's continuing effort to forge economic, political, and especially military ties with Beijing."
Oh that 'worldnetdaily' article back in early 2000? I gave you the specific up-to date Chinese military sites: chinese military aviaion, Chinese Defence Today, chinese defense dot com. There is also China Military Online and many more. There plenty of official PRC defense magazines. (But you dont get those online). So which division in the PLAAF do you get Su37? Have they ever even signed a deal for Su37? There were rumours around 2000 that they MAY buy Su-37! But this is 2007!
You said china was trying to get the Su-37 licence built! Which is incorrect. 76 Su30MKK & 24 Su30MK2 were bought out-right by the PRC not licence built. PRC is LOOKING INTO the Su-33KUB. Possiblity of using them in a modified formaer soviet varyag AirCraft Carrier. But nothing certain.
China NOW has it own J-11B! Every item built buy them. Their own engine, RADAR & avionics, weapons, heavy use of composites! The direct flanker purchases made by PRC for PLAAF & PLAN are: Su-27SK, Su-27UBK, Su-30MKK & Su-30MK2. They started license building 200 slightly modified Su-27SK called J11/J11A, but they stopped after 100 and moved to J-11B (In the future J-11S a 2 seater). PRC wants military/weapon independence. J-11B is NOT license build! There IS NO Su37 in PLAAF!
Huh? On which planet did the Su-37 do the helicopter? Certainly not when I saw it in 96 (With my own eyes! Not videos). Russian "Helicopter" is performed by Su-30MKI(India)/MKM(Malaysia) and much more radically by the MiG-29OVT. Su-30MKI/MKM are NOT the Su-37s! These are custom built planes incorporating various Russian & other technologies. The Flanker videos you see on youtube doing helicopter are Su-30MKs. Show me 1 video of a single seat flanker doing helicopter!
For a moment lets say the F22 cant do helicopter! NEITHER has the Su37! How many times must I shout that Su35BM or Su30MKI/MKM is NOT Su35/37 you saw in mid 90s. The Su37 had 2D SYMMETRIC TVC (like the F22) and canards. But it does little or no yaw moves. 180' spin? Double-pedal? Helicopter? None! Yet the F22 can (although Limited).Su-30MKI/MKM has 2D ASYMMETRIC TVC. Nozzles move independently hence the added agility. If its COMMON SENSE as you put it then add 2D ASYMMETRIC to F22 as well
No match for "Sukhoi"? Assume u mean Su-## flanker series please define "no match"! Is ur definition of no match based on Airshow moves? & I told u over & over again the Russians must be nuts making Su35BM, must be nuts making PAK-FA. ColdWar soviets must have been nuts making MiG 1.42. If they knew 100% that F22 was no match for Su-## why on earth would they waiste resources build these new type?
"no match" meaning that if there was a dogfight, the flankers would win. military aircraft are constantly becoming outdated with new technology being discovered. The us must be nuts trying to make the f-35, creating the f-16matv, the aurora, and the fb-22
F22 Replace F15, F35 Replaces F-16/F-18/AV-8/A-10, FB-22 (A bomber/striker/attacker NOT a fighter) Will Replace F-111/F-15E (Thats if the thing ever flies) F-16 MATV/F-15 ACTIVE/X-31/X2-9 etc, etc were test planes to test certain parameters. Many of which were incorporated into the F22. There will be less than 200 F22 but more 3000 F35. F-22 & F-35 are like F-15 & F-16. The Aurora? Unofficially thats a Mach 6+ spy plane. Not a fighter. Officially the answer would be 'THE WHAT?! :D
Soviets ATF/JSF equivalent was MFI/LFI! MFI was MiG 1.42 That was labeled by them "Raptor Killer". MFI was supposed to have max supercruise of Mach 1.65+ compared to the initial ATF requirement of Mach 1.58+ (but Now said to be Mach 1.7+). Was designed to carry 12 AAM internally compared to the 8 of the F22. Vympel RVV-AE missile had folding fins to accommodate this. Soviet Union Collapsed MFI was refined to the PAK-FA.
PAK-FA is Russias answer to the F22. It is NOT a flanker! I dont know how else to put this to you. Its a plane with supercruise, supermaneuverability, stealth etc. (like the F22). Only difference is Stealth. Russians & Americans differ how to achieve stealth. But they both agree on heavy RCS reduction. PAK-FA will have an internal weapons bay. 3D TVC. New generation advance avionics, including conformal skin arrays, etc, etc.
Why is there an Su35BM? PAK-FA will take time! It'll be expensive! Even when it comes to service they wont build 500+. Latest news suggests an engineering mockup might appear this year. So Russia needs an A/C to counter A/C like EF-Typhoon, Rafale, F-15I/K/T & oddly Flankers bought by other nations! Most advanced 'Flanker' is with the Indians & Malaysians (Su30MKI/MKM). Russia needs an A/C to counter those A/Cs. Su35BM will also be truly multirole! For F-22 it'll be the PAK-FA
The pak-fa, su35bm, and mig 1.42 are being developed to replace their older aircraft. The su-37 and the su-47 were testbeds for later aircraft, one of the reasons why they are not in service.
[..continued] Now, Su-30MKI/MKM & MiG-29OVT/35 can do yaw moves by the boat loads & quite effortlessly. Get plenty of videos. But the MiG-29OVT has 3D TVC. Su-30MKI/MKM has 2D asymmetric TVC + canards. All these are more advanced than F-22s TVC which is basic 2D (-/+20') Symmetric. Yet its no push over. And I wont even include X-planes like X-29, X-31, F-16 MATV, F-15 ACTIVE etc, etc. [continued..]
[..continued] Go to you-tube search & type jumpsweet. Should come across a video titled 'F-22 manouverability DEMONSTRATION...'
J-Turn at 00.01+ & 01.26+
Flip & 180' at 05.05+
Double-Pedal at 07.19+
Helicopter at 02.43+
You talked of counter stealth? Well in that case why are Russians building their F-22 equivalent called PAK-FA? Why are Chinese building their J-XX? In the future India might be joint a partner of the PAK-FA. They also have their own design the MCA (strike/attak)
The helicopter meanuvers was much more simple compared to the su-37's which had several spins. The f-22 only accomplishes 1 spin (is it even one?) and continous into a nose dive.
I'm saying this as a F-22A fan. Only thing is, I'm not ignorant about what the SU can do. Once you let ignorance into battlefield, your as good as dead.
How? I know it makes you feel better that you post things like this, but we both know that the F-22 is better in every aspect. Engine thrust, avionics, speed, supercruise, agility, weapons, stealth. Jump off a cliff. You come to this video you dont even watch it, you just comment bullshit like this. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Not necessarily. If it were combat ready, the Su-37 would surpass the F-22 in agility, and weapons. Though the speed of the F-22 is slightly faster, that doesn't mean much in a knife fight. The only thing that the Raptor has that completely outleagues the Terminator is it's stealth capablility. Take away the Raptors invisibility and it's a pretty fair fight.
A B-52 pilot explained it to a civilian at an airshow and it think it makes sense here: "When you buy a computer, you make sure its something you can upgrade and use for a long time so you don't have to keep buying a new one. The Air Force treats its assets the same way. You can't buy a new bomber every 5 years, but you can build one that can be upgraded and last for a very long time."
So yes, the initial cost is expensive, but its a purchase you don't make every year. When was the last time you heard someone complain about development costs of the F-15, Mig-21 or KC-135? :)
I hear peopke talk alot about china and how "many: of this and that they have. Iraq should proove to you fools that numbers mean nothing to quality and training. In that regards, the US armed forces are the most powerful in the world, bar none! Theyre training and equipment are the best. The average infantry soldier is better equiiped and better trained then 90% of chinese forces.
Damn. This skills are awesome. Now i have no idea, which plane is the best with the complete packet: the F-22A, the Eurofighter Typhoon or the Mig-29 OVT.
Where the Su would stall, the F-22 can continue. It can sustain its AOA at 60 degrees easily. While doing the summersault, its shape allows it to continue in the same direction - sometimes engines first - while the Su would stop and drop like a rock.
I am so sick and tired of people who know nothing about aircraft posting stuff like this. Okay, if the F-22 and Su-37 started a dogfight the F-22 would win. Why? Aerodynamics. The Su is very maneuverble, but its very un-AGILE. It doesnt have enough engine power to pull of post stall manuevers like the F-22. Su bleeds energy like anything. Watch is maneuver videos again - - its almost a a complete stop during them - - missile magnet.
Nothing can touch this jet. FACT. Nothing will be able too for a long time. We've taken out several mig 29's and SU's with just 1 raptor before they even knew where there. Look it up.
Dont underestimate the russian planes designed during the cold war for WW3. Russian planes were built to survive in nuclear warfare as the avionics were less advanced so they wouldnt burn up from the Nuke's EMP blast. So the point is the russians would be the only planes in the air
Not true. That's just propoganda. To say Russia specifically built planes with older technology in order to survive a nuclear war is goofy. No truth to it at all. Russian technology doesn't exist. It's modified Western technology 10 - 20 years old.
hate to break it to you but everything the military flies, drives or uses is protected against an EMP blast. It would be stupid not to. The enemy could simply hit us with an EMP and our military would be cooked.
How do you protect against an electromagnetic Wave travelling so fast with so much force caused by an Atomic bomb, with the waves able to travel through even thick physical matter, sry to break that open much more clear. The reason the enemy dont hit you with an EMP is because there isnt a missles or small weapon able to target enough EMP in a small area so its no threat unless an atomic bomb i used xD
Thats a very good video of an amazing jet. I was there at that airshow and I am looking forward to this year's. About the performance of the F-22 versus MiGs or Sukhois, I'm pretty sure that the only warning an enemy fighter might get is an RWR tone when an AMRAAM goes active seconds before impact.
does an su or mic supercruise? and at those speeds can they out maneuver the raptor? I dont think so, the raptor was built from the ground up to supercruise and as such is the most maneuverable aircraft in the world at those speeds. Forget lowspeed that was left back in ww2 :)
I'm an F-16 Crew Chief stationed in Arizona... I was recently feployed to Tyndall AFB in FLorida and got to see many of these F-22's up close and talk to the people who work on them. There's still a lot of work to be done on these planes... The look cool and all, but they have their share of flaws.
He's right. I'm an F-15 crew chief at Langley which is where this video was filmed. The jet has bugs that are being worked out, but the jet is amazing once it gets in the air.
I think this jet looks alot like the F-35 Lightning II project, who wee here in Denmark are putting dollars in too replace our F-16 MLU in a years..? Nice plane by the way
no, the F-22 is more advanced than the F-22, The f-35 is meant more as an all around good fighter for the US to use and export, while the F-22 is soley American, and is the successor to the F-15. The F-22 is faster, more manuverable (It uses thrust vectoring) and is stealthier
kkinchev, im sorry but the f-22s performance far exceeds that of mig or SU. What you see in this vid doesnt even scrach the surface of the capability the 22 has.
I agree. MiG-29OVT (35), for instance, would probably fly circles around the F-22 in close range dogfighting, but the MiG would never close the distance needed to engage the Raptor in a dogfight, if it ever saw the Raptor at all.
most aircraft in the USAF inventory have flight restrictions placed on them anyway to preserve the airframe intregrity, Including the f-22. These acraft have to last 20 or 30 years now a days.
so dont base your opinion off of the airshows because from what I have seen, the US doesnt go all out at their airshows. They just give you a small taste with a high speed pass, a 9g turn or 2, the cubin 8, and a climb or 2.
And the next day after everyone saw the dutch pilot fly, they pushed their planes a little harder so they wouldnt loo k bad(but not that much harder). And the f-22 at edwards didnt fly as hard as the one in this video.
I agree with cktice, if your not a pilot then you really dont know what your talking about, for example ive been going to airshows all my life and you would notice that the US doesnt push their planes very hard. At the 2006 edwards airshow there was a dutch f-16 demo, and this guy pushed the plane harder then any other f-16 that i have seen at a US airshow.
Great video. Wish I had made this show. Went to several airshows this past season and DC was the only one the Raptor appeared at. The pilot at DC did not do as an impressive show as your video shows at Langley. Thanks for sharing.
first thing you need to keep in mind when thinking of the F-22A raptor is that it is built for combat, not for airshows like some other planes I know of....
Su-30? Off-course! India has a custermized Su-30MKI & Malaysia Su-30MKM from IAPO. But, not Su-37! China has Su-30MKK from KnAAPO. Has some internal-structure similarities with Su-35. But, no TVC, no helicopter etc, etc. Chinese actually said NO thanks to TVC even though they could have had it. Su-30MKK/MK2 in the PLAAF/PLAN are there as strikesr/attackers! PLAAF is standardizing with J-10 & J-11. Why would they do that if they thought they could get kick-ass non-existent Su-37?
I'm not one to brag about my countrys military hardware out of no where; I just get sick of foreigners not giving credit where it is most certainly due. They put it down since their country didn't make it; pathetic little morons. ;)
How about instead of complaining about how bad the USA is you go do some humanatarian work and make a difference, its so easy to bitch when you contribute jack shit and sit behind your computer whinging all day.
No one seems to know its real speed. Also its expensive, over 300 million for one fighter, as aposed to 2 for a brand new F-16. As far as I'm concerened, as a main staged fighter, imracticle, as for a great feet of aviation history and something to use for future fighters, exsamplery.
Don't know where you get your numbers from, but they're not 300 million. They were over 200 million a piece before production reached full capacity, but now they're in the 150 million range. Still rediculously expensive considering the F-117 is only around 60 million.
We dont need a military because nature will take care of the US. What am i talking about? Well its like this:
The Canary Islands in the Atlantic Ocean (near Africa) is about to collapse. This would create a Mega Tsunami which would be 900 feet high and travel at 600mph. There is ABSOULTELY NOTHING the US can do about it. It will swamp all the main cities along the East coast and millions and millions of Americans are going to die!!!
Its not terrorists but nature you have to worry about.
nah, I bet the US governament has something better. or someone else.
Something you americans have got to learn, if youve got it, you dont flaunt it!, if you flaunt it, you aint got it.
One other thing is your arrogance, you think it "will dominate the skies", whos to say that other governaments havent done somthing similar or better in top secret.
And Id love to see how many foreign countries have to chip in its development and are needed to make that thing fly.
Just seeing the F-22 fly by screams "dominance" you can just see it.
And yes, it can go mach 1.5+ without afterburners. :)
Any foreigners here trying to boast about any other jet, just has an inferiority complex. The Raptor will own any aircraft flying today, and the foreseeable future.
It is true that the F22 after 1.5 hour flight you need to renovate 30 hours to renew and stealth paint that frames a break? In Europe, circulate such rumors do not know how it really is. Sorry for mistakes but I explained googkle because I am 16 years old and I'm Polish English well yet unknown :(
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THE NEW STV ERA IN AVIATION STARTED in ISRAEL w. 1st-EVER flight of Stealth, Tailless 3D Vectoring. (5/18/1987 Av. Week). Facebook video ["Benjamin Gal-Or"] explains STV Super-Kill-Ratio, Extra TO/L-safety (Civil & military), thereby ending dominance of common stall/spin dangerous aero-control. F-35/22 T50 exploit only part of STV potential, Tailless= better stealth, reduced drag/structure/weight/fuel. Next generation STV: X44MANTA, X47b, X-48c, NGB.
1Bengalor 1 year ago
awsome
jepkurt09 1 year ago
what is the speed of the high alpha pass?
Nastafar 1 year ago
it can hover in mid-air OR go 2200 or more. its top speed is classified
juiceman38804 2 years ago
f-22 should use to against alien~~~~
bedevilment21 2 years ago
Did anyone else catch the quick rudder movement at 5:10? You have to pay real close attention to catch it. This is my 30 time watching this and I just noticed it!
UNSClead1 3 years ago
favorite part for me is at 6:40...it it starts off like the super hornet tail stand but instead of climbing dozer slows the aircraft on a dime and goes right into an aoa like pass. sweeet
magnumaov 3 years ago
I agree
UNSClead1 3 years ago
Shit Thats bad ass
elflamer 3 years ago
yall play to much damn ace combat... the f22a is a perfectly fine plane it is not too fast its not a sitting duck... if it had a HUGE disadvantage... the US would not use it...
in a dogfight it has little to do with which type of aircraft you are using, pilot skill and experience is most important... and i know most of us have not piloted any of these jets
Steigerwalt13 3 years ago 2
it goes 2200 one of the fastest planes out there
blakeblake321 3 years ago
I said take the stealth away from th f-22 and the Su-47 will fly circles aroun it. It is way more manuverable and can fly faster than a Raptor. And for the G forces, Moga can handle 10.5 but only for a few seconds without G-lock. With the stealth the F-22 is the best and most expensive plane in the world.
jrb2421 4 years ago
Both are very good planes regardless of which would win. Even if the typhoon is better at close range the f 22 is still more usefull in a real war stituation because of its stealth.
JohnJam3000 4 years ago
Yes i saw somthing that said the F 22 usally wins at long range and the Typhoon usally wins at close range.
JohnJam3000 4 years ago
which would win a F22, Su 47 or a Eurofighter Typhoon?. I don't know that much about planes, however i think the F22 has a higher top speed of over 2.0 mach and the F22 has a better subsonic turn rate. The Typhoon has a better supersonic turn rate and is cheaper. Both accelerate at around the same speed and both can acheive super cruise. And i know nothing about that Su 47 thing.
JohnJam3000 4 years ago
belbo is pretty much exactly on.. if the planes start at like 100 NM, then the F22 no doubt... if a dogfight though, it'd be pretty close, but my bet would definitely be on the F22... haha
GMANinGA250 4 years ago
If it weren't for the stealth the F-22 is a sittin duck. Man the typhoon and the any of the Su series could fly circles around the F-22. The F-22 may be fast but that hurts it at close range. It would take a UAV to turn very tight at 10+ G's its impossible for a human to take those g forces.
jrb2421 4 years ago
Of course its a crap plane, since your people dont have it, dont worry about it, just be good over there and youll be fine! :)
tisoy909 4 years ago
i read somewhere that the raptor made its first operational interception of a russian tu-95 bear?? if someone can respond and tell me anymore that would be awsome, btw i love all of you comments except the guy that said the raptor is crap, fuckin 3rd world people haha
bphilla 4 years ago
AMEN to that
dumhekk 4 years ago
Basically, the russians wanted knew of the f-15 groundings and knew that Raptors were going to fill the gap during the f-15 retrofits in alaska. So the russians sent their bears to get an upclose and perhaps try to shoot some of their own vintage radar signals at it to see what kind of radar feedbacks they can get since our raptors have stealth.
tisoy909 4 years ago
i believe your retarded, this is the best airplane in the U.s Air Force by far
dumhekk 4 years ago
とても綺麗な機体。
映像ではなく実際に見られる日がこれば良いなぁ(^^
XMmiya 4 years ago
serious question, who would come out on top in a dog fight, the f22 or the eurofighter typhoon. Any experts out there. discuss.
vine139 4 years ago
I'm no expert vine139 but IMO the EF would win. Both are considered to have higher sustained/instantaneous turn-rates than any other fighters, so both should have exceptional abilities in a turning fight and there are a lot of factors to take into consideration. The the decisive factor though is that the EF has a helmet mounted cueing system system which the F-22 currently lacks altogether; it gives the EF a huge advantage.
MrPikon 4 years ago
The Rhino drivers down at Oceana actually have the new JHMCS helmets. They look badass and futuristic all at once. Good chance that the USAF won't be far behind in employing them. I'll put the vid up soon.
SemperApollo 4 years ago
SemperApollo, there is no plans to integrate JHMCS on the F-22 AFAIK, in fact right now there is no integration of the AIM-9X either. That said against fighters it's fought in exercises so far there have been very few WVR engagements; which is how it should be.
MrPikon 4 years ago
I guess that makes sense due to the Raptor's role as air superiority and not a knifefighter. Some of the VA ANG Viper pilots said they hate training with Raptors since they get killed before they even pick them up on radar. Of course now the VA ANG is flying Raptors...if you can't beat em, join em!
SemperApollo 4 years ago
Watch youtube and this link watch?v=vIvgBbXKL5E and you will see how much the F22 suck - its all info from US congress, not from Europe - the F22 is a flying Enron - stop getting your info from movies like Transformers
Zeptocomp 4 years ago
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Report to US congress 2007 (GAO-07-406SP on page 78):
The F22 have at least 2 structural problems:
- The F22 have cracks (up to 18 cm)in the aircraft's aft boom where the horizontal tail attaches to the fuselage.
-The F22 have cracs in "titanium casting" materials near the engine.
A key reliability requirement for the F-22A is a 3-hour mean time between maintenance, but right now its LESS than 1 hour! The F22 is junk, its very unreliable!
Zeptocomp 4 years ago
you're from europe. no one cares what you say
MadDave 4 years ago
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The Eurofighter have already beaten the F22 - Read source:
"internatinal AIR POWER REVIEW" - year 2006, issue 20, page 45. - ISNB: 1-880588-91-9 (casebound) or ISBN: 1473-9917.
The Typhoon is a Raptor-killer.....
Watch picture of the Typhoon and F22 together: img391,imageshack,us/img391/752/efraptorrw1,jpg
(replace , with . in the link)
Zeptocomp 4 years ago
and you also hide yourself from radar for sometime!
b738me 4 years ago
b738me, didn't you mean show up on radar for some time ?
MrPikon 4 years ago
nicely put!
b738me 4 years ago
Since this whole mess began with this so called Su-37 doing "helicopter", just type "Su-37 presentation video" which clearly shows the difference between KnAAPO Su-37 and IAIA Su-30MK. Nicely shows nozzle movements & maneuver animations. The F22 TVC is similar to Su-37 (Pitch vectoring). Not advance like the MKI or OVT. Yet the F22 does maneuvers Su-37 havent done (Double-Pedal, Back-flip + 180', Helicopter(ish) maneuvers) Therefore F22 is no push over when it comes to AirShow antics.
HyperLanka 4 years ago
Excellent point. The US experimented with 3D thrust vectoring in the F-16 MATV. The "Double Pedal" maneuver's yaw is controlled with the rudders (and whatever other surfaces the DFCS wants to throw in). The rudders on the production Raptors are actually more powerful than predicted in the prototyping stage.
SemperApollo 4 years ago
Like I said before, the f-22's helicopter is MUCH slower than the su-30's, and the su-37 has a much higher angle of atack seen in its cobra maneuver. It can sustain 120+ degrees while the f-22 can sustain a mere 90 degrees.
b738me 4 years ago
Actually, the SU-27 would pass through 90 on its way to 120 degrees (two seat version was too nose-heavy to go past 90). For the -27 (not sure if its the same in the -35), the angle of attack limiters had to be turned off, or the stick yanked past a saftey detent in order to do the Cobra. The F-22 on the other hand is always under the watchful eye of the DFCS.
SemperApollo 4 years ago
The F-22 can easily go past 90 degrees AoA. It did it at Atlantic City.
JKFrazier 4 years ago
Alpha and nose position are related but not the same. Dozer did get the nose beyond 90 when doing his "pinwheels" behind the crowd, and the nose did go to roughly 90 degrees nose high in the hover, but the alpha wasn't past 90 degrees. Watch where the whole plane is going (velocity vector) versus where the nose is to tell.
SemperApollo 4 years ago
Anyway...........this has become pointless. I am not going post in this section anymore......time to call it quits :D :D :D
HyperLanka 4 years ago
Hey, thats what the comment sections are for. Look at some of the 2006 F-22 videos by airshowfansh and you'll see the Raptor doing...well it looks like a Kulbit but with even more precision. I haven't seen any Su-3x helicopter videos. In fact if anyone wants to post some, I'd appreciate it.
SemperApollo 4 years ago
search for the su-30mki, there's one video where it performs several helicopters
b738me 4 years ago
Actually there are several especially from MAKS2003/2005. No question about the Su30MKI doing the helicopter though it doesnt look graceful/stable as MiG29OVT The whole point is F22 achieves a degree of YAW movement without the advance TVC of the above 2 A/Cs. OVT has 3D TVC MKI has asymmetric 2D TVC & nozzles canted inwards 30' F22 has simpler 2D SYMMETRIC TVC -/+ 20' like the older Su37 & Su37 has canards But F22 can do more in the air than the Su37 (ex. Double-pedal[yaw -/+180])
HyperLanka 4 years ago
If u see the cobras of the f-22 and the su-37, there is a significant difference. The f-22 can sustain 90 degrees while the su-37 can sustain 120. Plus the su-27's cobra is similar to cobra of the f-22 considering that the plane is much older.
b738me 4 years ago
looks like that didn't happen
b738me 4 years ago
To Mr. SemperApollo: My sincere apologies for taking this so way off-topic. But when someone says the Su37 can do the Helicopter, well just couldnt keep my mouth shut. Oh & to others, why not checkout "sukhoi dot org" go to the Video & Military aviation galleries. Which plane is now doing the Helicopter? And type "flankers dot co dot uk". A guy called Ken Duffey has a wonderful reference on flankers. Plus pls do point me to any video where Su37 does helicopter :D :D
HyperLanka 4 years ago
Its quite weird people still judge maneuverability by a few airshows tumbles be it the Raptor/flanker/or whatever. Even dogfights happen at much higher altitudes & at high-speed, high-G' environments. Airshow low-speed handling does NOT equal maneuverability. F22 & Typhoon were designed for sustained supersonic, hi-G' maneuvering. Su-35BM, will be able to do similar moves (Hi-speed, Hi-G). I guess if the Su37 was so capable the Russians must be crazy building another flanker for RusAF right?
HyperLanka 4 years ago
Why wont Indians purchase the Su-37? Chinese? Russians? Why are the Chinese making J-11B/S? Why are the Russians building a brand new flanker called the Su-35BM? Even the Su-35BM is not specifically made to counter the Raptor! Russia's answer to the F-22 is the PAK-FA! PAK-FA, a plane with SuperCruise, Supermaneurability Stealth etc, etc! No why would they do that when they have the mighty Su-37? :o :o :o
HyperLanka 4 years ago
So this Non-existent, helicopter non-performing mighty Su37 if its was so great & will kick-ass in the future why havent anyone bought it? Why are the Russians building the Su-35BM? Pls dont confuse the Su35BM with the older Su35 you saw in the mid 90s. Su35BM is brand new flanker. Su-35BM is considered to be the ultimate incarnation of the Flanker! Other than the external appearance, it has almost nothing in common with other flankers you have seen before. Technology this is very different
HyperLanka 4 years ago
By the time the mig-29ovt is out for export, it will be outdated
b738me 4 years ago
Huh? Tell that to the Indians. MiG-29OVT has been appearing at airshows for sometime now! The MiG-35 (Super MiG-29 + MiG-29OVT) made it appearance at the Aero-India 2007. It is the leading candidate for IAFs MMRCA completion. And according to the Russians the plane is ready to go. It is defined as the ultimate incarnation of the MiG-29. It has some very advance technologies. Its beautiful plane!
HyperLanka 4 years ago
I agree that the mig-29ovt is a superior plane rivaling sukhoi and lockeed martin. However, the mig-35 was confirmed not to have tvc.
b738me 4 years ago
Yes! MiG-35 that flew in Aero-India 2007 didnt have TVC. But, the TVC in the MiG29OVT is available for MiG-35 upon CUSTOMER REQUEST! It is designed to accommodate even better TVC. OVT is essentially a demo plane showing the new 3D TVC tech. MiG-35 is the REAL plane that will be bought buy airforces. Its the leading candidate for the MMRCA. If the IAF wants TVC they can have it. According to the Russians the MiG35 that flew at Aero-India 2007 is pretty much the production variant
HyperLanka 4 years ago
"the TVC in the MiG29OVT is available for MiG-35 upon CUSTOMER REQUEST!"
I'm willing to bet no one will want the TVC option !
Believe it or not the Typhoon has 3d/2d TVC as an option, it's 3d TVC can even be added to existing engines without additional control units because they are integrated. The question is though will anyone want the TVC option ? up to now it's a definite no, even Russia themselves have no operational fighters using TVC !
MrPikon 4 years ago
I stand corrected
:)
b738me 4 years ago
HyperLanka 4 years ago
It's a matter of time. Once the Russians/Chinese/Indians develop a counter-stealth technology for the f-22, the su-37 will win with its better maeunverability. Have you ever seen the f-22 do 2 kulbits in a row?
b738me 4 years ago
Actually, last year it did ;)
SemperApollo 4 years ago
Oh really, is there a video for that? Once the f-22 can do the helicopter maneuver, my mind changes!
b738me 4 years ago
*Sigh* Su37? All I can say is 'the what? Su37 is no more. Times have changed. The new Sukhoi super-flanker is the Su-35BM. Still a year or 2 from us seeing it at AirShows. Until then mantel of Sukhoi King goes to Su-30MKI/MKM. I saw the Su37 with my own eyes back in 96. Su37 does little or no yaw maneuvering. It has 2D symmetric vectoring like the F-22. Yet the F-22 can perform the Double-Pedal, Helicopter & a back-flip flowed by 180' yaw maneuver [continued..]
HyperLanka 4 years ago
Correction: Su-35BM will fly end of this year. Has some very impressive specifications
HyperLanka 4 years ago
For your info. china is trying to get the license to build su-37 in their country. The su-37 is not done yet. The su-37's thrust vectoring is several degrees more than the f-22 thus more meanuverable.
b738me 4 years ago
Really? I have followed the chinese military developments for the past 10 yrs & I must say china has moved to its own flanker "J-11B". J11B is an indigernized, highly modified Su27SK. Has little in common with the original Su-27SK (Other than the basic Air-frame). It powered by their own engine WS-10A. They have tested 3D TVC nozzles (albeit separately) There are NO Su37 orders from the PLAAF! However they are looking into Su-27KUB (Su-33UB) for carrier related stuff. But still no orders!
HyperLanka 4 years ago
you could search a little better.
Sukhoi has proposed to sell its latest plane to china.
"Moscow has said it would sell its latest, most technologically advanced fighter plane to the Chinese government -- the Su-37 -- as part of Russia's continuing effort to forge economic, political, and especially military ties with Beijing."
b738me 4 years ago
Oh that 'worldnetdaily' article back in early 2000? I gave you the specific up-to date Chinese military sites: chinese military aviaion, Chinese Defence Today, chinese defense dot com. There is also China Military Online and many more. There plenty of official PRC defense magazines. (But you dont get those online). So which division in the PLAAF do you get Su37? Have they ever even signed a deal for Su37? There were rumours around 2000 that they MAY buy Su-37! But this is 2007!
HyperLanka 4 years ago
Correction: not the su-33UB, it's the su-30MKK
b738me 4 years ago
You said china was trying to get the Su-37 licence built! Which is incorrect. 76 Su30MKK & 24 Su30MK2 were bought out-right by the PRC not licence built. PRC is LOOKING INTO the Su-33KUB. Possiblity of using them in a modified formaer soviet varyag AirCraft Carrier. But nothing certain.
HyperLanka 4 years ago
China NOW has it own J-11B! Every item built buy them. Their own engine, RADAR & avionics, weapons, heavy use of composites! The direct flanker purchases made by PRC for PLAAF & PLAN are: Su-27SK, Su-27UBK, Su-30MKK & Su-30MK2. They started license building 200 slightly modified Su-27SK called J11/J11A, but they stopped after 100 and moved to J-11B (In the future J-11S a 2 seater). PRC wants military/weapon independence. J-11B is NOT license build! There IS NO Su37 in PLAAF!
HyperLanka 4 years ago
J-11B is crap. It is not match for the eurofighter, raptor, or any of the flankers.
b738me 4 years ago
Tell that to the chinese! Especially that 'crap' part. ;)
HyperLanka 4 years ago
Well, its not match for the generation of planes today.
b738me 4 years ago
Huh? On which planet did the Su-37 do the helicopter? Certainly not when I saw it in 96 (With my own eyes! Not videos). Russian "Helicopter" is performed by Su-30MKI(India)/MKM(Malaysia) and much more radically by the MiG-29OVT. Su-30MKI/MKM are NOT the Su-37s! These are custom built planes incorporating various Russian & other technologies. The Flanker videos you see on youtube doing helicopter are Su-30MKs. Show me 1 video of a single seat flanker doing helicopter!
HyperLanka 4 years ago
Oh and is there 1 video of the f-22 doing a helicopter maneuver? It's common sense, if the su-35 can do it, than the su-37 can definately do it
b738me 4 years ago
For a moment lets say the F22 cant do helicopter! NEITHER has the Su37! How many times must I shout that Su35BM or Su30MKI/MKM is NOT Su35/37 you saw in mid 90s. The Su37 had 2D SYMMETRIC TVC (like the F22) and canards. But it does little or no yaw moves. 180' spin? Double-pedal? Helicopter? None! Yet the F22 can (although Limited).Su-30MKI/MKM has 2D ASYMMETRIC TVC. Nozzles move independently hence the added agility. If its COMMON SENSE as you put it then add 2D ASYMMETRIC to F22 as well
HyperLanka 4 years ago
Ok fine, the su-30mki is much more meanuvurable than the f-22.
My whole point of posting these comments is to state that the raptor is no match for sukhoi.
b738me 4 years ago
No match for "Sukhoi"? Assume u mean Su-## flanker series please define "no match"! Is ur definition of no match based on Airshow moves? & I told u over & over again the Russians must be nuts making Su35BM, must be nuts making PAK-FA. ColdWar soviets must have been nuts making MiG 1.42. If they knew 100% that F22 was no match for Su-## why on earth would they waiste resources build these new type?
HyperLanka 4 years ago
"no match" meaning that if there was a dogfight, the flankers would win. military aircraft are constantly becoming outdated with new technology being discovered. The us must be nuts trying to make the f-35, creating the f-16matv, the aurora, and the fb-22
b738me 4 years ago
F22 Replace F15, F35 Replaces F-16/F-18/AV-8/A-10, FB-22 (A bomber/striker/attacker NOT a fighter) Will Replace F-111/F-15E (Thats if the thing ever flies) F-16 MATV/F-15 ACTIVE/X-31/X2-9 etc, etc were test planes to test certain parameters. Many of which were incorporated into the F22. There will be less than 200 F22 but more 3000 F35. F-22 & F-35 are like F-15 & F-16. The Aurora? Unofficially thats a Mach 6+ spy plane. Not a fighter. Officially the answer would be 'THE WHAT?! :D
HyperLanka 4 years ago
Soviets ATF/JSF equivalent was MFI/LFI! MFI was MiG 1.42 That was labeled by them "Raptor Killer". MFI was supposed to have max supercruise of Mach 1.65+ compared to the initial ATF requirement of Mach 1.58+ (but Now said to be Mach 1.7+). Was designed to carry 12 AAM internally compared to the 8 of the F22. Vympel RVV-AE missile had folding fins to accommodate this. Soviet Union Collapsed MFI was refined to the PAK-FA.
HyperLanka 4 years ago
PAK-FA is Russias answer to the F22. It is NOT a flanker! I dont know how else to put this to you. Its a plane with supercruise, supermaneuverability, stealth etc. (like the F22). Only difference is Stealth. Russians & Americans differ how to achieve stealth. But they both agree on heavy RCS reduction. PAK-FA will have an internal weapons bay. 3D TVC. New generation advance avionics, including conformal skin arrays, etc, etc.
HyperLanka 4 years ago
Why is there an Su35BM? PAK-FA will take time! It'll be expensive! Even when it comes to service they wont build 500+. Latest news suggests an engineering mockup might appear this year. So Russia needs an A/C to counter A/C like EF-Typhoon, Rafale, F-15I/K/T & oddly Flankers bought by other nations! Most advanced 'Flanker' is with the Indians & Malaysians (Su30MKI/MKM). Russia needs an A/C to counter those A/Cs. Su35BM will also be truly multirole! For F-22 it'll be the PAK-FA
HyperLanka 4 years ago
the su-30mki/mkk can already counter most of those aircraft.
b738me 4 years ago
It is to have other features that the f-22 doesn't have.
b738me 4 years ago
The pak-fa, su35bm, and mig 1.42 are being developed to replace their older aircraft. The su-37 and the su-47 were testbeds for later aircraft, one of the reasons why they are not in service.
b738me 4 years ago
[..continued] Now, Su-30MKI/MKM & MiG-29OVT/35 can do yaw moves by the boat loads & quite effortlessly. Get plenty of videos. But the MiG-29OVT has 3D TVC. Su-30MKI/MKM has 2D asymmetric TVC + canards. All these are more advanced than F-22s TVC which is basic 2D (-/+20') Symmetric. Yet its no push over. And I wont even include X-planes like X-29, X-31, F-16 MATV, F-15 ACTIVE etc, etc. [continued..]
HyperLanka 4 years ago
[..continued] Go to you-tube search & type jumpsweet. Should come across a video titled 'F-22 manouverability DEMONSTRATION...'
J-Turn at 00.01+ & 01.26+
Flip & 180' at 05.05+
Double-Pedal at 07.19+
Helicopter at 02.43+
You talked of counter stealth? Well in that case why are Russians building their F-22 equivalent called PAK-FA? Why are Chinese building their J-XX? In the future India might be joint a partner of the PAK-FA. They also have their own design the MCA (strike/attak)
HyperLanka 4 years ago
The helicopter meanuvers was much more simple compared to the su-37's which had several spins. The f-22 only accomplishes 1 spin (is it even one?) and continous into a nose dive.
b738me 4 years ago
I think SU-37 is no longer the best Jet in the world. Look at Mig-29 wit Thrust Vector Control (watch?v=PWLYTAYG-9U)
Mig29tvc 4 years ago
I'm saying this as a F-22A fan. Only thing is, I'm not ignorant about what the SU can do. Once you let ignorance into battlefield, your as good as dead.
ISAFSoldier 4 years ago
SU is much better
higirlswhatsup 4 years ago
How? I know it makes you feel better that you post things like this, but we both know that the F-22 is better in every aspect. Engine thrust, avionics, speed, supercruise, agility, weapons, stealth. Jump off a cliff. You come to this video you dont even watch it, you just comment bullshit like this. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
randomname118 4 years ago
Not necessarily. If it were combat ready, the Su-37 would surpass the F-22 in agility, and weapons. Though the speed of the F-22 is slightly faster, that doesn't mean much in a knife fight. The only thing that the Raptor has that completely outleagues the Terminator is it's stealth capablility. Take away the Raptors invisibility and it's a pretty fair fight.
ISAFSoldier 4 years ago
Aww, reminds me of my dad up there flying...Lovin the USAF :)
sweetncool 4 years ago
your both wrong they are 120 million each.;D
predator2013 4 years ago
A B-52 pilot explained it to a civilian at an airshow and it think it makes sense here: "When you buy a computer, you make sure its something you can upgrade and use for a long time so you don't have to keep buying a new one. The Air Force treats its assets the same way. You can't buy a new bomber every 5 years, but you can build one that can be upgraded and last for a very long time."
SemperApollo 4 years ago
So yes, the initial cost is expensive, but its a purchase you don't make every year. When was the last time you heard someone complain about development costs of the F-15, Mig-21 or KC-135? :)
SemperApollo 4 years ago
you really think we made these fighter bombers to kill terrorists.......these are being made to fight future threats such as china
hotsauceb91 4 years ago
hahah the Typhoon is no where near as fast as the F-22
afviper 4 years ago
if it was a race between the eurofighter and the f-22 ... the eurofighter would win
vista8808 5 years ago
1) nothing can beat the F-22 in a dog fight (trust vectoring a big advantage), or otherwise
2) no plane will ever get the opportunity of a dog fight, because of the F-22's stealth.
cajunstrat 5 years ago
I hear peopke talk alot about china and how "many: of this and that they have. Iraq should proove to you fools that numbers mean nothing to quality and training. In that regards, the US armed forces are the most powerful in the world, bar none! Theyre training and equipment are the best. The average infantry soldier is better equiiped and better trained then 90% of chinese forces.
phishinguy2000 5 years ago
lol but that 10% is close to being bigger than our entire military.
Good Video!
zmatt 5 years ago
lol
ambien1337 5 years ago
Damn. This skills are awesome. Now i have no idea, which plane is the best with the complete packet: the F-22A, the Eurofighter Typhoon or the Mig-29 OVT.
Praetor69 5 years ago
typhoon (Much much more faster)
vista8808 5 years ago
Where the Su would stall, the F-22 can continue. It can sustain its AOA at 60 degrees easily. While doing the summersault, its shape allows it to continue in the same direction - sometimes engines first - while the Su would stop and drop like a rock.
randomname118 5 years ago
I am so sick and tired of people who know nothing about aircraft posting stuff like this. Okay, if the F-22 and Su-37 started a dogfight the F-22 would win. Why? Aerodynamics. The Su is very maneuverble, but its very un-AGILE. It doesnt have enough engine power to pull of post stall manuevers like the F-22. Su bleeds energy like anything. Watch is maneuver videos again - - its almost a a complete stop during them - - missile magnet.
randomname118 5 years ago
Nothing can touch this jet. FACT. Nothing will be able too for a long time. We've taken out several mig 29's and SU's with just 1 raptor before they even knew where there. Look it up.
fosho420 5 years ago
That's not a fact because a Raptor has never been in combat. They just became combat operational last year.
griffdog13 4 years ago
Dont underestimate the russian planes designed during the cold war for WW3. Russian planes were built to survive in nuclear warfare as the avionics were less advanced so they wouldnt burn up from the Nuke's EMP blast. So the point is the russians would be the only planes in the air
randomusernamemygod 5 years ago
Not true. That's just propoganda. To say Russia specifically built planes with older technology in order to survive a nuclear war is goofy. No truth to it at all. Russian technology doesn't exist. It's modified Western technology 10 - 20 years old.
brotherdave777 5 years ago
hate to break it to you but everything the military flies, drives or uses is protected against an EMP blast. It would be stupid not to. The enemy could simply hit us with an EMP and our military would be cooked.
boser22 5 years ago
How do you protect against an electromagnetic Wave travelling so fast with so much force caused by an Atomic bomb, with the waves able to travel through even thick physical matter, sry to break that open much more clear. The reason the enemy dont hit you with an EMP is because there isnt a missles or small weapon able to target enough EMP in a small area so its no threat unless an atomic bomb i used xD
randomusernamemygod 4 years ago
I fell asleep twice watching these 10 mn. How can a compilation be so boring?
shillyshallyz 5 years ago
Thats a very good video of an amazing jet. I was there at that airshow and I am looking forward to this year's. About the performance of the F-22 versus MiGs or Sukhois, I'm pretty sure that the only warning an enemy fighter might get is an RWR tone when an AMRAAM goes active seconds before impact.
SkyhawkDriver 5 years ago
does an su or mic supercruise? and at those speeds can they out maneuver the raptor? I dont think so, the raptor was built from the ground up to supercruise and as such is the most maneuverable aircraft in the world at those speeds. Forget lowspeed that was left back in ww2 :)
sussexj 5 years ago
I'm an F-16 Crew Chief stationed in Arizona... I was recently feployed to Tyndall AFB in FLorida and got to see many of these F-22's up close and talk to the people who work on them. There's still a lot of work to be done on these planes... The look cool and all, but they have their share of flaws.
HybridRoninX 5 years ago
its gotta be better than that great big terradactyl of an f-15 that I crew ;) Wish i could go to luke... im stuck up here in mountainhome.
sussexj 5 years ago
its gotta be better than that great big terradactyl of an f-15 that I crew ;) Wish i could go to luke... im stuck up here in mountainhome.
sussexj 5 years ago
He's right. I'm an F-15 crew chief at Langley which is where this video was filmed. The jet has bugs that are being worked out, but the jet is amazing once it gets in the air.
griffdog13 4 years ago
I think this jet looks alot like the F-35 Lightning II project, who wee here in Denmark are putting dollars in too replace our F-16 MLU in a years..? Nice plane by the way
wwwvisitaalborgcom 5 years ago
no, the F-22 is more advanced than the F-22, The f-35 is meant more as an all around good fighter for the US to use and export, while the F-22 is soley American, and is the successor to the F-15. The F-22 is faster, more manuverable (It uses thrust vectoring) and is stealthier
Jim309196 5 years ago
i meant more advanced the the F-35, lol
Jim309196 5 years ago
kkinchev, im sorry but the f-22s performance far exceeds that of mig or SU. What you see in this vid doesnt even scrach the surface of the capability the 22 has.
sussexj 5 years ago
Maneuverability looks like a childs joke compared even to MIG-29 (I am not even talking about Su-37 and such)
kkinchev 5 years ago
SU's and MiG's??? They don't even compare to the planes in the US arsenal. Even if they did, who would fly them? Ruskies?
eglzfan5 5 years ago
someone's been eating their propaganda-os for breakfast. no offense, but do some research bro
regztigershark 5 years ago
I agree. MiG-29OVT (35), for instance, would probably fly circles around the F-22 in close range dogfighting, but the MiG would never close the distance needed to engage the Raptor in a dogfight, if it ever saw the Raptor at all.
regztigershark 5 years ago
most aircraft in the USAF inventory have flight restrictions placed on them anyway to preserve the airframe intregrity, Including the f-22. These acraft have to last 20 or 30 years now a days.
sussexj 5 years ago
Cool! I was there and I have some video of the same flight. If I get a usb cable I'll try to upload some of my vids.
I can't help but think that you were the guy filming beside me... On Saturday I was standing in the same place...
13thLiberator 5 years ago
so dont base your opinion off of the airshows because from what I have seen, the US doesnt go all out at their airshows. They just give you a small taste with a high speed pass, a 9g turn or 2, the cubin 8, and a climb or 2.
bukweat 5 years ago
And the next day after everyone saw the dutch pilot fly, they pushed their planes a little harder so they wouldnt loo k bad(but not that much harder). And the f-22 at edwards didnt fly as hard as the one in this video.
bukweat 5 years ago
I agree with cktice, if your not a pilot then you really dont know what your talking about, for example ive been going to airshows all my life and you would notice that the US doesnt push their planes very hard. At the 2006 edwards airshow there was a dutch f-16 demo, and this guy pushed the plane harder then any other f-16 that i have seen at a US airshow.
bukweat 5 years ago
Don't want to get in a furball against that pilot, or his machine!
zaphodb777 5 years ago
Great video. Wish I had made this show. Went to several airshows this past season and DC was the only one the Raptor appeared at. The pilot at DC did not do as an impressive show as your video shows at Langley. Thanks for sharing.
AirShowOhioFan 5 years ago
first thing you need to keep in mind when thinking of the F-22A raptor is that it is built for combat, not for airshows like some other planes I know of....
zeroyon04 5 years ago
the su-30/35/37 can be easily converted
b738me 4 years ago
Su-30? Off-course! India has a custermized Su-30MKI & Malaysia Su-30MKM from IAPO. But, not Su-37! China has Su-30MKK from KnAAPO. Has some internal-structure similarities with Su-35. But, no TVC, no helicopter etc, etc. Chinese actually said NO thanks to TVC even though they could have had it. Su-30MKK/MK2 in the PLAAF/PLAN are there as strikesr/attackers! PLAAF is standardizing with J-10 & J-11. Why would they do that if they thought they could get kick-ass non-existent Su-37?
HyperLanka 4 years ago
but I want one for x-mas
zyrkon78 5 years ago
pfff my little sister run faster then this plane
zyrkon78 5 years ago
The best video of Raptor
Korshikov 5 years ago
I'm not one to brag about my countrys military hardware out of no where; I just get sick of foreigners not giving credit where it is most certainly due. They put it down since their country didn't make it; pathetic little morons. ;)
Northax 5 years ago
How about instead of complaining about how bad the USA is you go do some humanatarian work and make a difference, its so easy to bitch when you contribute jack shit and sit behind your computer whinging all day.
Rizzamabob 5 years ago
^^LOL. Amen to that.
paradigmshift7 5 years ago
that thing is wicked! I could watch fighter jets all day. Can't wait for fleet week!
motionsiren 5 years ago
No one seems to know its real speed. Also its expensive, over 300 million for one fighter, as aposed to 2 for a brand new F-16. As far as I'm concerened, as a main staged fighter, imracticle, as for a great feet of aviation history and something to use for future fighters, exsamplery.
screwball000 5 years ago
I find it hard to believe that an F-16 costs 2 million... They got shitty old commercial planes taht cost more then that
comradrami88 5 years ago
Sorry man, i ment 20. Lol, silly mistake. But thats still considerably cheaper than 300 million i would think.
Cheers!
screwball000 5 years ago
Don't know where you get your numbers from, but they're not 300 million. They were over 200 million a piece before production reached full capacity, but now they're in the 150 million range. Still rediculously expensive considering the F-117 is only around 60 million.
griffdog13 4 years ago
ungrateful brits!!!! without the US, your country would be speaking german today!
sussexj 5 years ago
I'd shut up at that point. The United States did not alone save Britain. I'm tired of hearing that shit.
Thanks to the US's lack of involvement earlier in the war, a lot of extra lives were lost.
ericmcbride 5 years ago
long live nikolaki, you have predicted the glorious future
sonofthedestroyer 5 years ago
yea whatever dude....moron
sussexj 5 years ago
Its a hunk of shit its what it is, i've done my reading, fuel guzzling non-maneuverable peice of shit, its even slow.
screwball000 5 years ago
"Its a hunk of shit its what it is, i've done my reading, fuel guzzling non-maneuverable peice of shit, its even slow."
1. Its the most feul efficent fighter jet around.
2. most manuverable fighter jet ever.
3. Mach 2.5 is slow?
You all hate america because our tech. kicks ass, and your military is shit.
Fuck you.
DapperDanMan7 5 years ago
We dont need a military because nature will take care of the US. What am i talking about? Well its like this:
The Canary Islands in the Atlantic Ocean (near Africa) is about to collapse. This would create a Mega Tsunami which would be 900 feet high and travel at 600mph. There is ABSOULTELY NOTHING the US can do about it. It will swamp all the main cities along the East coast and millions and millions of Americans are going to die!!!
Its not terrorists but nature you have to worry about.
sonofthedestroyer 5 years ago
Oh please. This from a guy who concedes that the US physically lost the Vietnam war and possibly flunked World History. Now he's a geological expert?
Spare us your psychic hotline forcasts and go read a book.
paradigmshift7 5 years ago
I am not being psychic, I found out all this info on the National Geographic Channel!!!! An American channel hahahahahaha
sonofthedestroyer 5 years ago
oooops sorry ment politically :)
sussexj 5 years ago
nah, I bet the US governament has something better. or someone else.
Something you americans have got to learn, if youve got it, you dont flaunt it!, if you flaunt it, you aint got it.
One other thing is your arrogance, you think it "will dominate the skies", whos to say that other governaments havent done somthing similar or better in top secret.
And Id love to see how many foreign countries have to chip in its development and are needed to make that thing fly.
wolfyys 5 years ago
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
xf108a 5 years ago
the f-22 is about 10 years old, i wonder what new jet the usa has
THATguyFATAL 5 years ago
Just seeing the F-22 fly by screams "dominance" you can just see it.
And yes, it can go mach 1.5+ without afterburners. :)
Any foreigners here trying to boast about any other jet, just has an inferiority complex. The Raptor will own any aircraft flying today, and the foreseeable future.
Northax 5 years ago
Inferiority complex? Who got their gigantic ass kicked by a little jungle country (Vietnam)!!!!
sonofthedestroyer 5 years ago
uhh actually, militarily the US slaughtered its enemy in 'nam but lost the war politally
sussexj 5 years ago
wtf iz this ?!?!??!??!? u cnt call myn nd my matez moviz crap wen u ave this f**kin s**t
sophieluvzu 5 years ago
What the fuck did you say? I can't even read that, it doesn't make fucking sense. Take a