christians love war and killing. In fact the prophecy even says that there can't be any peace until the temple is rebuilt. If peace were to happen and wars were to end it would make the prophecy inaccurate, therefore until the masc gets tore down and the temple rebuilt, christians support killing and wars.
I don't believe in the death penalty (sorry I'm a year late on this video) but you said it brother!!! Forgive and you shall be forgiven. Two wrongs don't make a right. Murder is murder whether it is done by a person on the street or by the lawmakers. If I don't forgive someone for killing my loved one then I will not enter the kingdom of heaven and thus eliminate any chance of seeing my loved one again(that is if he/she makes it up there also) We need more Christians like you brother. God bless
This is probably coming from someone who thinks that the stoning's in the Old Testament were kosher.
However as an atheist I would much rather have the guilty spend the rest of there existence raking leaves and locked up in an over crowded cage than take the easy way out.
You are making some assumptions that aren't consistent with reality. Who are the leaders of the anti-death penalty movement? Mostly Christians. Sister Helen Prejean, a Catholic Nun, is the face of the anti-death penalty movement, its Martin Luther King. With 250 million Christians in the US, they are on all sides of every political debate. Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Obama, John Edwards, Howard Dean, all are Christians. The idea that Christians are all conservative Republicans is repugnant.
You seem to be a reasonable Christian. Subbed. As an atheist, I am not too certain abortion is right. I believe it is hard choice for any woman. By a scientific definiton, a fetus is not alive. The child could have the potential to change the world though. As for the death penalty, I am totally against it. Those people are alive and it is not right to take a life.
I really like this video. As an atheist, I do recognize that sometimes killing is necessary (in self defense, in a "just war" scenario, protecting the life of another, etc) but it should never be done lightly or without fully considering the ramifications of the act.
I'm not sure where I stand on the death penalty. I don't think it's very useful, and I think the only times I would actively support it would be high treason or if the person was too dangerous to be left alive.
"thou shalt not kill".... in the greek translation, "kill", in that verse meant "murder". it's not the same as if you were to kill a man who was trying to kill your mother. there are times where killing is justified, but then also times where we should turn the cheek. it's a paradox... the key is asking the Holy Spirit for wisdom on each situation.
i have a good verse that talks about war and "bearing the sword" against evil men.
Romans 13:3-4 3For (D)rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an (E)avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
would you kill a man who came into your house who wanted to kill you and your fam? 5 *!
Great comment Capnn!!! I have been asked this several times in my life. And my answer is simply that killing, for any reason, is my last resort. Responsible gun owners know that your first shot, during a home invasion, does not have to be to kill. You shoot someone to stop them from bestowing harm on you or your family. Essentially, if knee-capping the guy does not stop him from trying to kill my family, then yes you must kill him. But after the crime has been committed... (con't)
... I see no reason to kill him. His crime is done. His judgement awaits him. Let him rot in jail for the rest of his natural life in fear of that judgement.
BTW - I love your videos Capnn, you are very gifted. I anxiously await more vids. God bless!
i basically agree with you. because people will meet their judgment one day in front of God. there is no reason to kill someone because you can. and i'm actually scared of guns, even though i believe people should have the right to bear arms.
but like i said before, i think there is a time for everything under the sun... but it should mos def be last resort!
doode, thanks brother, it's nice to see a brother preachin' it like yourself on YT. keep it up!
Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17).
The Commandment not to kill obviously referred only to murdering another Jew, not to murdering generally. The Torah states that God commanded hundreds of thousands of non-Jews to be murdered for one reason or another so, obviously, He didn't also mean that murdering non-Jews would be sinful. God hated non-worshippers and loved having them murdered.
In Matthew 5:39 Jesus also said "If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn your other cheek to him as well." Add that to the countless references to non-judgement and I think you will find that unlesss God directly commands you to kill someone, you are actually commanded NOT to kill. Thank you for your thoughts and your comment.
I am not sure what the "turning you other cheek" means. If its "as opposed to slapping him" - then yes. But it is still better to simply walk away. That way you don't give him the chance to repeat the offense, to repeat the "sin". Forgive, let go as opposed to "be a martyr". The later is also vanity. I agree with you that state execution sucks, but I am not sure that this is what "though shall not kill" refers to. Its more personal. Didn't stop stoning (as in rocks).
part 4 ..Also, Im sure many Christains reflect on God's dealings with the people of Isreal in the Old Testament. Im the OT God instituted the DP. I believe however that God is working in a new way. We are not in the Old Testament times anymore.Also America is NOT Isreal.
Thank you for your comments and your thoughts. Many Christians make the mistake of invoking the Old Testament views. Jesus changed everything. Jesus had a way of forgiving the worst of sinners who committes the most immoral of sins. Are we not to pursue the same goal?
"America is not Israel" - I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks again and God bless you friend.
part 3 Once again, I agree with you. Why are Christians quick to condemn? Maybe many mistakenly think they are Christians but have never asked Jesus to forgive them. Maybe there are christians who have not reflected on the bible.
part 2 To play devil's advocate, I may say that the difference between abortion and the DP, is that the baby is completly innocent, unlike the crimminal.
Part 1 Im a christan too, and I agree with you about the death penalty. i will admitt however that I have had emotional reactions when I learn of an especially henious crime and for a moment I may wish for the DP. However,I agree it doesnt jive with the the teachings of Jesus and the new testament.
@ThoughtfulAtheist So sorry my man, I meant to hit 'reply' to one of your comments and I hit 'remove'. I totally did not mean to do that. There is no 'undo' button that I can find either. Your post said something to the effect of the definition of life being hazy and I think I have a pretty cut and dry reconciliation to that. Life is usually considered "dead" when the heart stops beating. I submit that it should be considered "alive" when the heart starts beating. Pretty simple huh? =)
not a problem...ive done that kind of shit before too...btw, I do plan on responding to our convo...im just...i dunno, theres no good reason why i havent done it yet...my apologies.
I would disagree that life ends when the heart stops. After all, the heart stops sometimes and can still be resuscitated. I think life ends when the brain ends...and by your same logic, that makes defining life much more difficult to pinpoint with regards to a starting point.
I don't like labeling and stuff but if you're not pro-life, you're anti-life or pro-death; it's as simple as that. what about pro-choice? if I'm not pro-choice I am anti-choice?...well, let's just say that if a criminal tries to shoot somebody on the street and u are able to stop him, you probably wouldn't say "Well, it's your choice...you can go ahead and shoot him if you want to" That's my opinion. Peace! :)
anti-death penalty political movement is rife with Christians, nuns, priests, etc. Sister Helen Prejean is probably the most well known anti-death penalty advocate in the country. I am not sure why you are identifying one side or the other with Christianity, as there are Christians on both sides. I am Christian and personally anti-death penalty and pro-choice.
I was generalizing and speaking to the Christians that are "pro-life" yet support the death penalty. I would absolutely love to have a conversation with you to try to understand your position(s)... you have me dumbfounded with your last sentence.
I'm not confused at all. It is absolutely a religious and a moral question. Just because political parties have politicized them makes them no less relevant to religion and or morality.
just the other day i was discussing this with a handfull of my coworkers, all christian males from 21-45 years old. me being the only atheist of the group, i found it odd that i was the only one arguing against the death penalty.
OK, in that case, abortion is ok in certain circumstances and is not murder. Im sure as a christian, you are really comfortable with that then, right?
What of the INNOCENT man accidentally put to death by the state thanks to that same justice system? That justice system that's apparently SO GOOD about discerning Guilty vs. Innocent. Fact is we have more justifiable reasons to abort fetuses in certain situations than we ever do trying to justify killing murderers.
Financially, CP is a stupid idea. Rehabilitation is highly successful. Life imprisonment is cheaper . Why do we need to be vengeful? Is it any more beneficial to society than life imprisonment would be? Or do we do it because God says we should?
I have read where there are other countries trying alternative forms of rehabilitation with very high success rates. I'm not an advocate of those ideas just yet, but we are "the richest nation in the world". Why can we not afford to try... or at the very least, keep those convicts alive throughout their natural lives.
Apples and oranges agin my friend...if an innocent man died as the result of a horrible miscarriage of justice - it is a MISTAKE. Give me one instance of abortion that was unintentional...
YOU give ME one example of capital punishment that was not intentional. Way to circumnavigate the argument. Capital punishment is at VERY LEAST impractical, and at very most, it is murder....as you propose abortion to be. If you claim to be pro-life, there is NO logical reason to believe in CP...NONE!!! Yet you can not admit that to yourself...yet another example in an ever-growing list of you wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
Are you serious? Doood - you are losing it. EVERY instance of capital punishment is intentional. NONE are intended to cause the death of someone who is INNOCENT. ALL instances of someone innocent dying as a result of capital punishment are unintentional mistakes. NO instances of the death of an innocent fetus as the result of an abortion are unintentional.
How are they unrelated? The argument that abortion is immoral is that you are killing SOMEONE. INTENT is the aspect of this equation that is irrelevant, not Innocence vs. guilt. Who gives a fuck what you MEANT to do? I care what ACTUALLY happens. Capital punishment is advocating murder under certain circumstances. If you think murdering a fetus is immoral then murdering ANYONE is immoral. Otherwise, justification must be added to the question. There is plenty of justification for abortion.
Capital punishment is not murder. It is justifiable based on the GUILT of the criminal....the punishment is defined by the state. We take more precautions in the justice system to ensure criminals are justly punished than we do scrutinizing the decision made by one woman and her doctor to terminate he life of an innocent fetus...
@Marklross2 "Judge not lest ye be judged" (Mattthew 7:1)
If we judge someones crime and decide that their punishment is to have someone else end their life (early), then we are to be judged by those same standards. God makes no scale for sin. Each sin is as bad as the next. Of course society sees aggravated murder as a highr crime than surfing porn on the internet, but God does not. It is all a sin against Him.
If we judge someones crime and decide that their punishment is to have someone else end their life (early), then we are to be judged by those same standards. God makes no scale for sin.
I completely agree. If I murder someone, I should be judged by society in the same way any murderer is judged...
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
So, when the murderer judges his victim and decides that his victim does not deserve life - the murderer is acknowledging that he so shall also be judged.
Then, essentially, we should put all sinners to death? What you are saying then equates to "an eye for an eye". And for that I would suggest reading Matthew 5:38-48. When you stand before that final judge and He asks you about taking another life that He created, do you want it on your conscience that you allowed the life of another human being to be taken? I would presume then that you have never watched another human being die before. It changes you and your outlook on life.
When you witness a person gasping for that last breath, you instantly become aware that this is too harsh a punishment for any crime. I can find no way to justify the taking of a life other than to save that of another. Thank you for taking me to task on this... honestly, I appreciate this as it has caused me to do more research and soul searching. Blessings my friend!
To say we should put all sinners to death seems naive to me. All in may be the same in the eyes of God, but we are talking about the judgement of man. If someone judges a human life worthless, should they not be equally judged? The end of the passage you suggested - be perfect like the Father - is that possible?
christians love war and killing. In fact the prophecy even says that there can't be any peace until the temple is rebuilt. If peace were to happen and wars were to end it would make the prophecy inaccurate, therefore until the masc gets tore down and the temple rebuilt, christians support killing and wars.
Relativisticism 1 year ago
I don't believe in the death penalty (sorry I'm a year late on this video) but you said it brother!!! Forgive and you shall be forgiven. Two wrongs don't make a right. Murder is murder whether it is done by a person on the street or by the lawmakers. If I don't forgive someone for killing my loved one then I will not enter the kingdom of heaven and thus eliminate any chance of seeing my loved one again(that is if he/she makes it up there also) We need more Christians like you brother. God bless
Erica23hernan 1 year ago
This is probably coming from someone who thinks that the stoning's in the Old Testament were kosher.
However as an atheist I would much rather have the guilty spend the rest of there existence raking leaves and locked up in an over crowded cage than take the easy way out.
flammamancer 2 years ago
You are making some assumptions that aren't consistent with reality. Who are the leaders of the anti-death penalty movement? Mostly Christians. Sister Helen Prejean, a Catholic Nun, is the face of the anti-death penalty movement, its Martin Luther King. With 250 million Christians in the US, they are on all sides of every political debate. Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Obama, John Edwards, Howard Dean, all are Christians. The idea that Christians are all conservative Republicans is repugnant.
BattleshipTx 2 years ago
Wow. Good point. Christians should be just as passionate about changing the death penalty laws as they are abortion.
RobotzAreAwesome 2 years ago
they are. Look up Sister Helen Prejean, she has done more than anyone against the death penalty.
BattleshipTx 2 years ago
"they are"?
I think a better description is "she is". Most christians could give a damn about inmates dying or iraqi's killed in war.
RobotzAreAwesome 2 years ago
You seem to be a reasonable Christian. Subbed. As an atheist, I am not too certain abortion is right. I believe it is hard choice for any woman. By a scientific definiton, a fetus is not alive. The child could have the potential to change the world though. As for the death penalty, I am totally against it. Those people are alive and it is not right to take a life.
lifeisfair123 2 years ago
I really like this video. As an atheist, I do recognize that sometimes killing is necessary (in self defense, in a "just war" scenario, protecting the life of another, etc) but it should never be done lightly or without fully considering the ramifications of the act.
I'm not sure where I stand on the death penalty. I don't think it's very useful, and I think the only times I would actively support it would be high treason or if the person was too dangerous to be left alive.
Rithrandil 2 years ago
i have some points bud.
"thou shalt not kill".... in the greek translation, "kill", in that verse meant "murder". it's not the same as if you were to kill a man who was trying to kill your mother. there are times where killing is justified, but then also times where we should turn the cheek. it's a paradox... the key is asking the Holy Spirit for wisdom on each situation.
i have a good verse that talks about war and "bearing the sword" against evil men.
-> con.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
Romans 13:3-4 3For (D)rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an (E)avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
would you kill a man who came into your house who wanted to kill you and your fam? 5 *!
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
Great comment Capnn!!! I have been asked this several times in my life. And my answer is simply that killing, for any reason, is my last resort. Responsible gun owners know that your first shot, during a home invasion, does not have to be to kill. You shoot someone to stop them from bestowing harm on you or your family. Essentially, if knee-capping the guy does not stop him from trying to kill my family, then yes you must kill him. But after the crime has been committed... (con't)
thereprieve 2 years ago
... I see no reason to kill him. His crime is done. His judgement awaits him. Let him rot in jail for the rest of his natural life in fear of that judgement.
BTW - I love your videos Capnn, you are very gifted. I anxiously await more vids. God bless!
thereprieve 2 years ago
i basically agree with you. because people will meet their judgment one day in front of God. there is no reason to kill someone because you can. and i'm actually scared of guns, even though i believe people should have the right to bear arms.
but like i said before, i think there is a time for everything under the sun... but it should mos def be last resort!
doode, thanks brother, it's nice to see a brother preachin' it like yourself on YT. keep it up!
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17).
The Commandment not to kill obviously referred only to murdering another Jew, not to murdering generally. The Torah states that God commanded hundreds of thousands of non-Jews to be murdered for one reason or another so, obviously, He didn't also mean that murdering non-Jews would be sinful. God hated non-worshippers and loved having them murdered.
1140Cecile 2 years ago
In Matthew 5:39 Jesus also said "If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn your other cheek to him as well." Add that to the countless references to non-judgement and I think you will find that unlesss God directly commands you to kill someone, you are actually commanded NOT to kill. Thank you for your thoughts and your comment.
thereprieve 2 years ago
@thereprieve
I am not sure what the "turning you other cheek" means. If its "as opposed to slapping him" - then yes. But it is still better to simply walk away. That way you don't give him the chance to repeat the offense, to repeat the "sin". Forgive, let go as opposed to "be a martyr". The later is also vanity. I agree with you that state execution sucks, but I am not sure that this is what "though shall not kill" refers to. Its more personal. Didn't stop stoning (as in rocks).
vdizhoor 1 year ago
part 4 ..Also, Im sure many Christains reflect on God's dealings with the people of Isreal in the Old Testament. Im the OT God instituted the DP. I believe however that God is working in a new way. We are not in the Old Testament times anymore.Also America is NOT Isreal.
ScrapGoldBass 2 years ago
Thank you for your comments and your thoughts. Many Christians make the mistake of invoking the Old Testament views. Jesus changed everything. Jesus had a way of forgiving the worst of sinners who committes the most immoral of sins. Are we not to pursue the same goal?
"America is not Israel" - I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks again and God bless you friend.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Thanks You are a very encouraging brother. I have a vid that is sort of related to this topic. Its called Evidence of God's Love PART 1
ScrapGoldBass 2 years ago
part 3 Once again, I agree with you. Why are Christians quick to condemn? Maybe many mistakenly think they are Christians but have never asked Jesus to forgive them. Maybe there are christians who have not reflected on the bible.
ScrapGoldBass 2 years ago
part 2 To play devil's advocate, I may say that the difference between abortion and the DP, is that the baby is completly innocent, unlike the crimminal.
ScrapGoldBass 2 years ago
Part 1 Im a christan too, and I agree with you about the death penalty. i will admitt however that I have had emotional reactions when I learn of an especially henious crime and for a moment I may wish for the DP. However,I agree it doesnt jive with the the teachings of Jesus and the new testament.
ScrapGoldBass 2 years ago
@ThoughtfulAtheist So sorry my man, I meant to hit 'reply' to one of your comments and I hit 'remove'. I totally did not mean to do that. There is no 'undo' button that I can find either. Your post said something to the effect of the definition of life being hazy and I think I have a pretty cut and dry reconciliation to that. Life is usually considered "dead" when the heart stops beating. I submit that it should be considered "alive" when the heart starts beating. Pretty simple huh? =)
thereprieve 2 years ago
not a problem...ive done that kind of shit before too...btw, I do plan on responding to our convo...im just...i dunno, theres no good reason why i havent done it yet...my apologies.
I would disagree that life ends when the heart stops. After all, the heart stops sometimes and can still be resuscitated. I think life ends when the brain ends...and by your same logic, that makes defining life much more difficult to pinpoint with regards to a starting point.
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
nice vid
MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
I don't like labeling and stuff but if you're not pro-life, you're anti-life or pro-death; it's as simple as that. what about pro-choice? if I'm not pro-choice I am anti-choice?...well, let's just say that if a criminal tries to shoot somebody on the street and u are able to stop him, you probably wouldn't say "Well, it's your choice...you can go ahead and shoot him if you want to" That's my opinion. Peace! :)
MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
Thank you kind sir!
I appreciate the comment. Well said.
God bless.
thereprieve 2 years ago
No problem, thank you for the video! God bless you!
MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
Don't confuse political questions with religious questions.
sarabellumm 2 years ago
anti-death penalty political movement is rife with Christians, nuns, priests, etc. Sister Helen Prejean is probably the most well known anti-death penalty advocate in the country. I am not sure why you are identifying one side or the other with Christianity, as there are Christians on both sides. I am Christian and personally anti-death penalty and pro-choice.
sarabellumm 2 years ago
I was generalizing and speaking to the Christians that are "pro-life" yet support the death penalty. I would absolutely love to have a conversation with you to try to understand your position(s)... you have me dumbfounded with your last sentence.
thereprieve 2 years ago
I'm not confused at all. It is absolutely a religious and a moral question. Just because political parties have politicized them makes them no less relevant to religion and or morality.
Thank you for your thoughts.
thereprieve 2 years ago
just the other day i was discussing this with a handfull of my coworkers, all christian males from 21-45 years old. me being the only atheist of the group, i found it odd that i was the only one arguing against the death penalty.
they were with the whole 'eye for an eye' thing.
Fawkes676 2 years ago
so yeah, i never understood it either.. id like to hear some responses as well.
Fawkes676 2 years ago
You reconcile capital punishment by using the accurate translation: Thou shalt not MURDER. A justifiable homicide is not murder...
marklross2 2 years ago
who's doing the justifying? I can justify abortion, does that mean its not murder?
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
Our system of justice. Comparing abortion to capital punishment is a transparent ruse even for you. GUILTY vs INNOCENT
marklross2 2 years ago
OK, in that case, abortion is ok in certain circumstances and is not murder. Im sure as a christian, you are really comfortable with that then, right?
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
When is an innocent fetus ever comparable to a convicted felon?
marklross2 2 years ago
When they are supposedly being murdered.
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
Stop being obtuse. That the guilty might pay with their lives is completely unrelated to the INNOCENT that might be aborted...
marklross2 2 years ago
What of the INNOCENT man accidentally put to death by the state thanks to that same justice system? That justice system that's apparently SO GOOD about discerning Guilty vs. Innocent. Fact is we have more justifiable reasons to abort fetuses in certain situations than we ever do trying to justify killing murderers.
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
Financially, CP is a stupid idea. Rehabilitation is highly successful. Life imprisonment is cheaper . Why do we need to be vengeful? Is it any more beneficial to society than life imprisonment would be? Or do we do it because God says we should?
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
I have read where there are other countries trying alternative forms of rehabilitation with very high success rates. I'm not an advocate of those ideas just yet, but we are "the richest nation in the world". Why can we not afford to try... or at the very least, keep those convicts alive throughout their natural lives.
thereprieve 2 years ago
I think that the "justifiable reasons" for either are few and far between.
Thanks again for your thoughts my friend!
thereprieve 2 years ago
Apples and oranges agin my friend...if an innocent man died as the result of a horrible miscarriage of justice - it is a MISTAKE. Give me one instance of abortion that was unintentional...
marklross2 2 years ago
YOU give ME one example of capital punishment that was not intentional. Way to circumnavigate the argument. Capital punishment is at VERY LEAST impractical, and at very most, it is murder....as you propose abortion to be. If you claim to be pro-life, there is NO logical reason to believe in CP...NONE!!! Yet you can not admit that to yourself...yet another example in an ever-growing list of you wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
Are you serious? Doood - you are losing it. EVERY instance of capital punishment is intentional. NONE are intended to cause the death of someone who is INNOCENT. ALL instances of someone innocent dying as a result of capital punishment are unintentional mistakes. NO instances of the death of an innocent fetus as the result of an abortion are unintentional.
marklross2 2 years ago
Let's review:
ALL deaths of criminals by capital punishment who were later found to be innocent are UNINTENTIONAL MISTAKES. They are also a small minority.
ALL deaths of INNOCENT fetuses by abortion are INTENTIONAL and there is no minority to speak f because it is ALL OF THEM.
The introduction of capital punishment into the abortion argument is a smoke screen. The two are unrelated. I am truogh beating this dead horse....
marklross2 2 years ago
How are they unrelated? The argument that abortion is immoral is that you are killing SOMEONE. INTENT is the aspect of this equation that is irrelevant, not Innocence vs. guilt. Who gives a fuck what you MEANT to do? I care what ACTUALLY happens. Capital punishment is advocating murder under certain circumstances. If you think murdering a fetus is immoral then murdering ANYONE is immoral. Otherwise, justification must be added to the question. There is plenty of justification for abortion.
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
Capital punishment is not murder. It is justifiable based on the GUILT of the criminal....the punishment is defined by the state. We take more precautions in the justice system to ensure criminals are justly punished than we do scrutinizing the decision made by one woman and her doctor to terminate he life of an innocent fetus...
marklross2 2 years ago
@Marklross2 "Judge not lest ye be judged" (Mattthew 7:1)
If we judge someones crime and decide that their punishment is to have someone else end their life (early), then we are to be judged by those same standards. God makes no scale for sin. Each sin is as bad as the next. Of course society sees aggravated murder as a highr crime than surfing porn on the internet, but God does not. It is all a sin against Him.
thereprieve 2 years ago
If we judge someones crime and decide that their punishment is to have someone else end their life (early), then we are to be judged by those same standards. God makes no scale for sin.
I completely agree. If I murder someone, I should be judged by society in the same way any murderer is judged...
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
marklross2 2 years ago
So, when the murderer judges his victim and decides that his victim does not deserve life - the murderer is acknowledging that he so shall also be judged.
marklross2 2 years ago
Then, essentially, we should put all sinners to death? What you are saying then equates to "an eye for an eye". And for that I would suggest reading Matthew 5:38-48. When you stand before that final judge and He asks you about taking another life that He created, do you want it on your conscience that you allowed the life of another human being to be taken? I would presume then that you have never watched another human being die before. It changes you and your outlook on life.
thereprieve 2 years ago
When you witness a person gasping for that last breath, you instantly become aware that this is too harsh a punishment for any crime. I can find no way to justify the taking of a life other than to save that of another. Thank you for taking me to task on this... honestly, I appreciate this as it has caused me to do more research and soul searching. Blessings my friend!
thereprieve 2 years ago
To say we should put all sinners to death seems naive to me. All in may be the same in the eyes of God, but we are talking about the judgement of man. If someone judges a human life worthless, should they not be equally judged? The end of the passage you suggested - be perfect like the Father - is that possible?
marklross2 2 years ago