Guglielmo Tell: O muto asil del pianto (Luciano Pavarotti)

[jameswardable]

He is excellent and truly the vocal phenomenon of his era, but not as exciting as Georges Thill or Mario Filippeschi doing the same material.

[gtelloz]

@jameswardable is there available material to share?

[muchogustavo1]

@jameswardable yeah...it's a shame...this video 24681 views...the same with the GREAT MARIO FILIPPESCHI with INCREDIBLE HIGH C IN cabaletta "CORRIAM VOLIAM" ONLY 800 VIEWS. EVERYBODY listen to FILIPPESCHI , he is the REAL ARNOLDO!!!!

[jameswardable]

@muchogustavo1 Thanks for the tip...I'll listen right now!

[muchogustavo1]

@jameswardable there are two version on yt of filippeschi's o muto asil+ corriam voliam. one in studio with marvellous cabaletta, the other LIVE(!!!!!) with one of the most ringing HIGH C's EVER in "oggi fatal"....both are breathless!

[Narcisse2000]

@jameswardable Meraviglia!!! Incredibile Pavarotti!

[ThePavafan]

pavarotti is the best singer ever.

[MrJoetorro]

Bella interpretazione...ma provate a sentire quella di Giacomo Lauri Volpi...quella è superlativa!

[avalokiteshivara]

Quando Pavarotti fez esta gravação??

[AfroPoli]

FUORI REPERTORIO

Arnoldo non è un ruolo per tenori leggeri (Pavarotti) e leggerissimi (Florez).

[suchero]

@AfroPoli concordo.niente a che vedere con Mario Filippeschi.voce troppo leggera per questo ruolo.

[sopranosd]

So beautiful -- his voice in its prime, so sweet and yet with so much sound! Audience members must have swooned. I particularly love the way he approaches high notes; they don't sound strung up from below; they have space! Sigh.

[emimosco]

bravissimo!

[gcarlos03]

E' un DO sopra il pentagramma.

[buontenerones]

sei una forza della natura caro Lucianone

[Vendimi3]

@buontenerones

Il "sei" dice tutto. E concordo. Luciano è.

[kimancuo]

Pavarotti had darker, more sonorous , golden overtones in his voice that Florez lacks. That made his voice more beautiful.

[Nadir2711]

Meme si Pavarotti ne chante pas le Ré donné par certains très rares ténors....l'ensemble est très convaincant ......

Comparons ce qui est comparable...il il a plusieurs sortes de ténors..et l'intelligence de chacun consiste a chanter ce qui correspond à sa voix....D'ou certaines carrières longues et d'autres courtes...Il n'y a pas un ténor mais des ténors... comme il y a des oeuvres différentes......A chacun sa voix...à chacun son répertoire...il faut l'admettre simplement.

[paterazzo2009]

stupefacente eterno maestro

[RickChristman]

Can I remind all who comment on here and "make comparisons" that there is a great difference in recording a role in a studio and actually performing it on stage.

[grandoperamaniac]

I disagree.

LV had only two Rossini roles on his repertoire, his Almaviva was not good and he dropped the part in 1922.He had difficulties with Arnold, forced to rest many weeks after And later he simplified the part. By the way the style is bad. Have you heard De Lucia's Almaviva or Escalaïs or O'Sullivan's Arnold?

Florez is a good tenor in the lighter Rossini roles, and his longevity is guaranteed, with his careful choice of repertoire (not this opera though, not in his repertoire).

[GermanOperaSinger]

Escalais and de Lucia were excellent but O'Sullivan didn't do that much for me. I admit I don't know much about Rossini operas so I apologize if my comment sounded ignorant. Since Lauri Volpi had a wide range of repertoire I am more familiar with him than with those who stuck closely to the Rossini roles.

[TrovadorManrique]

Difficults with Arnold? Lauri-Volpi had sing this part more than any other tenor in the last century! He was, simply, the best Arnoldo of his time, and ther was no others later. His stile in Guglielmo Tell is the pure of romantic tenor, much better than Sullivan's.

Of course, De Lucia's Almaviva is better than L-V's one, but I know no other tenor capable to make both roles, Almavivia and Arnoldo, as good as Giacomo Lauri-Volpi.

[Mooorhe]

Florez is much more than a passing fad; he sings his repertoire as well as anyone has in the last 60 years. It's just a small repertoire.

This was recorded around 1979; I think this recording took months to years to complete.

[Kievest]

The sun rises in his voice and never sets!!

Bravo Pavarotti!!

[claudiooriental]

Simplemente BRAVO, BRAVISSIMO. Que haya sucumbido al interés comercial, puede ser¿Quién no? Pero su voz, su timbre, su color, IMPECABLE. No voy a hablar de técnica, quizás alguno también pueda tenerla igual, no mejor. GRANDE MAESTRO, Inmortal tu ARTE. Por sobre Luciano solo Björling. BRAVO, BRAVISSIMO.

[jomalovi]

Su voz es un regalo d los dioses para el oido. Lástima que ya no esté entre nosotros

[TraVoiBelle]

This is perfect! He is perfect! His vocal cords are realy kissed from God!

[suneaglenyc]

Stellar!!

[neronnenn]

Peccato, una voce cosi' bella ed uno stile cosi' sotto i tacchi....:)

[castorp1981]

Pavarotti once said this was his best performance on disc. It's a killer role for tenor and he did it to die for.

[ellerveira]

Is there a Florez version of this on the net?

[Vielflieger01]

---> ellerveira ... Florez is an amateur against Pavarotti!

[davidotama06]

agree with you for this aria but not in Rossini pure bel canto... Florez is better in this repertoire. but Pavorotti could sing all... FLorez no

[tena2]

I beg your pardon????? Luciano could sing il all??? Knowing can sing it all, you cannot be competent at everything, nature would not let you, even though he did quite good at opera he could not sing aas requered many of the roles he sung. He was a good Rodolfo and Duke when very young but a bad Calaf, Manrico, Radamés etc.

[machinca]

It doesn´t matter if he sang it in theater or not. The role was his, period. Juan Diego Flores simply will never sing in this way. (sorry about fans).

[alfemv76]

Extraordinario, como siempre!; viva por siempre maestro; por siempre!!

[loveluciano1]

beautiful rendition of the song by luciano pavarotti, bravo.

[m3tgaiv3r]

la nota alta finale è un DO o un RE?

[gtelloz]

e un DO

[avalokiteshivara]

@m3tgaiv3r é um C com certeza!

[horacio11138]

@m3tgaiv3r "para mi que es un DO"

[SEBOHA]

magnifico

[libro07]

I have to agree with "musicfanat" below - let the music speak, let Luciano's great voice ring out, even if only from the recorded studio. He gave SO much, including on stage, and, yes, has produced many goosebumps. He was an exceptional artist - to reduce it to a dollar discussion is petty indeed.

[nicolapavanello]

un mito... non si può aggiugere altro...

[2ManyHighCs]

There WAS a time when Luciano would have/could have sung Arnoldo LIVE as well as ANY tenor who lived. I first heard him when he was singing with "that" voice. It was as if heaven had opened up and placed a singing angel on stage. THIS is not that voice. Very few in the past 100 years have been able to sing Radames, Calaf, Cavaradossi, AND Arnoldo. Pav was a business man. There was MUCH more money to be made singing heavier rep. which was done every night of the week as opposed to William Tell.

[2ManyHighCs]

Personally, I would much rather hear Luciano singing the roles which he made so famous than Arnoldo. To my ear his Calaf was not-to-be-matched by anyone. His Radames gave me goosebumps. Rodolfo, Duke, Cavaradossi, on and on. You kinda have to be a vocal freak to pull off multiple Arnoldo's. Interestingly, if the role is sung with correct dynamics, I always felt the aria and cabaletta are the easiest singing of the night. Anyone out there who has sung Arnoldo who feels the same?

[operabitch77]

pav dodged this role when he had the chance to do it. la scala, covent garden and the met were ready to put millions of dollars down for a production with joan, him and sherril milnes in the title role. he decided(smart move) that he didnt want to RISK his whole career over a role that he could just record in a studio and make dollars that way. actually, breslin his manger made that desicion. not pav. he just knew how hard it was and said NO WAY!

[2ManyHighCs]

Ah YES. . .and there we have the "MAGIC" word. .. Herbert BRESLIN. Made one career and destroyed a dozen others in doing so.

[2ManyHighCs]

Perhaps I should clarify that I do not believe there was a direct intent to "destroy" anyone but that sometimes by creating "mania" around one artist, other artists of similar abilities are overlooked by JQ Public and by opera managers and are thus "minimized". I often have wondered in what state the opera world would now be had there not been a Breslin. Better, worse, or the same? Eh. ..water over the dam.

[operabitch77]

breslin left domingo to make money with pavarotti!!! then he wrote a book about it and made MORE money off pav's talent. crazy huh? anyways, pav dodged alot of things cause he was lazy and not into learning more roles like domingo was. you are right about others like aragall, even domingo

[hiyadroogs]

operabitch77, I believe that the main reason perhaps Pavarotti didn't undertake more roles, is that he couldn't sight read music. He had to learn roles by ear, which of course is a much more laborious process. Domingo, of course is a highly trained musician. The great bass Ezio Pinza also couldn't read music. But both men were profoundly musical, & found the most graceful musical line by a gift of nature.

[operabitch77]

sight reading has nothing to do with learning new roles. pav's bank account alloted him the fabulous luxury of having accompanist's teaching him the music note by note. domingo does that too but also plays, conducts and is a well trained musician so, he at times prefers to do the dirty work himself. with pav it comes down to what was making the BIG bucks!!! learing LOTS of roles or singing nessun dorma in stadiums filled to capacity?? stadiums! lazy quite sums that up. or was PAV just smart?

[hiyadroogs]

operabitch77, I can't disagree with anything you have said. I think Pavarotti had his eye more on public adoration & the more lucrative concert circuit than art & the opera house. But he was only human, & he had a gift besides his voice that was endearing to the public, - he was charismatic. He is not the first & won't be the last tenor to choose concerts over the more demanding discipline & vocal challenge of opera. John McCormack also did this. Though John lacked the operatic high notes.

[operabitch77]

so so right you are!!!!! cheers!

[Mooorhe]

I think it was partially that he was lazy, and even if he did have Magiera to hammer the music into him, it was still a huge effort for him to learn anything new and he wasn't often willing. I think the biggest factor contributing to his limited repertoire and stadium concerts was his manager, who chose to market Pavarotti in a unique way and he ended up much more famous as a result. To be fair though, he did most concerts post 1980s, when the gorgeous youth in his voice was gone...

[Mooorhe]

So I really don't mind that he didn't explore a wider repertoire, maybe he would have been good in French opera... But he didn't want to do it and he couldn't speak French... Anyway, it didn't bother me all that much, but that of course differs from person to person, as is the nature of opinion...

[ILoveTobin]

Of course Pavarotti did that for money and fame. He loved enjoying it, he was so passionate for pleasure. But at the same time - can you blame him? Both sides were happy. Breslin made a bunch of money, Luciano got the fame and the sound of crazy ovation (which he adored) and the audience was pleased to death.

[Mooorhe]

...Regardless of whether he was going to make money with Pavarotti... He made the right decision, managing two tenors who had a 'rivalry' between them would have been unrealistic.

[ILoveTobin]

But you have to admit, that Domingo's voice isn't even close to Pavarotti's. It has such a clarity and crystal clearness in it, that Domingo would never achieve. Though he is one of the greatest artists, I understand Breslin's strategy, Pavarotti was more lucrative. He's voice was fantastic. And he didn't have to work very hard to get people thrilled. So, there you go. Human's nature always gains an advantage.

[operabitch77]

didnt finish... those other tenors didnt have the impact cause breslin marketed the hell out of pav and didnt leave any other room for other good singers. anyways, peace and cheers

[marcherst]

With a voice and the popularity of Luciano, you would have to be a business man. He is utterly fantastic. Of course he was in it for the money, like all else, but at the same time he dearly loved opera. And dearly loved entertaining people, whom he also loved.

[musicfanat]

this is a gorgeous, maybe even the best recorded version of this aria. Can't we just enjoy it and stop trushing a great late artist

for not doing live what most of us cannot do even in our wildest dreams. Thak goodness for this recording and tp gtelloz for sharing it with us

[belcantomania]

...mi scusino i fan di Florez,ma dinanzi ad un'interpretazione del genere è sprecato ricercare paragoni.

[discovolante21]

Excellent rendition, bravo.

[marcherst]

He is wonderful.  Thank you for posting.

[operabitch77]

WOW!!!!!!! damn pav!  pour out some liquor for my man pav the truth!!

[Jcrewone7]

Your man famously turned down this role on stage. One would gather that he couldn't handle it live. I guess the true great one's can mail-in a performance only after they have it polished for there audiance. This is far from great.

[paulinexxxx]

That is because he did not want to ruin his voice, like so many have in this role. You can think what you like of any singer, but do not disgust us with lies...and go support your favorites and leave us alone. You are too cruel to plague Pavarotti's fans with your nonsense.

[operabitch77]

i totally agrre with you in the termes you are using about dodging a role!! but really, this ROLE is TOO TOO hard. it's too high if your singing in today's method.(not using falsetto) and that is why Pav chose to dodge it live! i think it was the right desicion since at this time he was leaning toward bigger repetoire! but, you are right, LIVE SINGING is where you judge greatness! i wish he had sung it live.  i think it would have been fantastic! cheers

[chrissy1095]

This should silence any of those odd ball critics of this great tenor.

[operabitch77]

this IS the best recording of this aria!!!! wish he sang it live but i UNDERSTAND why he didnt. this role is the hardest tenor role alongside tristan and maybe otello! but this role asks the tenor to sing in the upper register ALL night!! tristan and otello dont ask this but they are long and just as taxing on the voice!

[LordMoe9]

brilliant!

[fraenne]

Interprétation sublime, parfaite et inégalable. Immense et éternel Pavarotti.

[hobo1975]

greatest recording was with tamagno!!

[gtelloz]

d u have that recording?? if so, please upload! i'd love to hear that, or others.

[onkelchrissi]

This is really the most beautiful aria composed by Rossini - Luciano´s interpretation/version is unique...you can not compare it to other tenors who are of course also very good singers like Merrit, Mateuzzi, the great Gedda or the young Juan Diego Florez. I first heard this aria sung by Luciano on his day of death on the radio and I broke out in tears...Luciano, thank you so much for your amazing art...your voice is immortal and we will never forget you. RIP

[TrovadorManrique]

Pavarotti será mejor Arnoldo que Merrit, Mateuzzi, Gedda o incluso Flórez... ¡pero nadie se acerca a Lauri-Volpi! Lo suyo es sobrehumano, no es raro que se quedase sin voz después de interpretar este personaje.

[TrovadorManrique]

Perhaps Pavarotti is better Arnoldo than Merrit, Mateuzzi, Gedda or even Flórez... but nobody approaches Lauri-Volpi! His performance is superhuman. His voice was damaged after interpreting this character, but it worth the trouble.

[2ManyHighCs]

Hey TM. I would LOVE to hear a recording of Lauri-Volpi singing Arnoldo. Can you tell me where I can find one. The clips I have heard of him are INCREDIBLE.

[TrovadorManrique]

Sorry, I'm still loking forward to find a digital version. I have listened Corriam, voliam! at a phonoteque in Madrid (at Conde Duque), and Muto Asil here, in youtube...