The "world" is free to drop out and form a nice collective commune anywhere it can get land. But it can get out of my face and out of my paycheck. Damn Wannabe revolutionary art fags with fascist tendencies.
@AynManRand I support that. I also support National Anarchists. We desire exactly what you just mentioned. Allow us to live in our own communities, and we can allow you to live in yours. I support cultures, ecological responsibility and non oppression. We can make this work if we all make the effort, everyone except the destroyers of the planet and corporate slave-masters can win.
@Dystopian420 We can probably agree that Corporations and the rich do not need subsidy of any kind. If they are to fail on their own then the flip side is that they must allowed as much of their profit as possible. Just laid off again and Im angry at every obstacle I see for survival being thrown at us. Today my girlfriend loses her car, displaced from operation by smog standards and now the city will fine us for storing the car in the driveway.
@AynManRand It's hard and I feel for you just as I feel for all of us. I can't say I have all the answers or the best answers, but I found a way that makes sense to me so far. All I know is we gotta all do our best to make this world better for all of us. I respect differences. Best wishes to you, things will get better.
Correction: Thousands of indoctrinated socialist brits don't want capitalism.
The opposite of this video his happening quite frequently in America.
Nothing against the British they're a long term ally and a great group of people as a country, with that being said, the next generation in terms of government policies in the UK is well.... screwed.
I just have to say... it is because of capitalism that you are making videos, uploading them to the internet so that guys like me can pull the video out of the air and watch your ignorant, university-student aged rant videos pretending like you understand the way the world works because you've read Animal Farm. The "rich" are not some select group of people with a stamp on their heads that say "rich" nor are the "poor." We're not in the industrial revolution, workers are not exploited.
@DyckSlapnutz That's the situation in the "western" world. So yeah, in North America and Europe, it is not the case that people are born poor and can't change that fact. But go to other Countries: Vietnam, Taiwan, all over Africa. Everywhere else, where people are working for us to have "hip" clothes, they are born as workers, and they die as workers. Here in Europe/America, the Situation is fair and Democracy and Capitalism work out but everywhere else, Democracy and Capitalism Kill people!
@moinsimion Are you kidding? Democracy as practiced by the current governments spreads capitalism and neither are working in the U.S. or anywhere else. It works for corporatism and zionism. "Democracy and Capitalism Kill people!" Exactly.
@Dystopian420 Yes, that is pretty much what I said. But you still have to find a solution, right. Also, democracy could work out pretty well, but there are no democratic countries in this world, unfortunately.
@moinsimion The way and the questions are pointed out in the manifesto, I can't post it all here. Doing nothing is also not going to help. We have to start somewhere. There are different ideas about Anarchy, so again you'd need to read and decide for yourself. A non racist, pro culture, tribalist society with a focus on ecological responsibility, anti corporatism, anti capitalist, anti oppression sounds like a good start to me.
@Dystopian420 I know everything you have to know about anarchy, and of all the systems I would prefer it. But I dont see how Anarchy is achievable at this point in time. I will read the manifesto though, maybe there is something interesting in there.
@moinsimion not at all. edited to shorten it, from wiki, "In the US,"anarchy" typically is meant to refer to a society without a publicly/violently enforced government. When used in this sense, anarchy may or may not be intended to imply political disorder or lawlessness.
@Dystopian420 "Outside of the US, and by most individuals that self-identify as anarchists, it implies a system of governance, mostly theoretical at a nation state level although there are a few successful historical examples that goes to lengths to avoid the use of coercion, violence, force and authority, while still producing a productive and desirable society." So a movement is not a problem.
@Dystopian420 Ok, I read through it, I think you guys are thinking about the right things, but you are doing the wrong. Terrorists and murderers are what they are. Always and all over the world, no matter if US soldier or Taliban fighter.
@moinsimion What does the U.S. and Taliban have to do with the manifesto or the group? All Anarchists of every kind are against both. National Anarchists want to live in cultural communities, they are against oppression, capitalism, consumerism, destruction of the planet and the annihilation of races/cultures through zionist and corporate agenda which reduces humanity to a grey skinned, consumerist cattle. Not sure what you are referring to. PM if you would like to discuss more.
@Dystopian420 National Anarchism cant exist since Anarchy is the exact opposite of Nationalism. And with my other message, I was referring to the chapter revolution.
if you are tired of seeing homeless people and children digging out of trash cans to eat...tired of seeing our streets filled with boxes and soup kitchens...homless shelters are not the answer...stop the capitalists from taking from the needy...stop funding war and fund the war on povery in OUR OWN country...take down the capitalist blockade on food for the needy..like this if you feel the same
@Nsane90 too bad that capitalism is the ONLY system in the history of mankind that has taken those people out of those situations. but you are just another bleeding heart economic illiterate so I won't go much further.......
Capitalism may not work, but it's better then anarchy. But to all G-8 and G-20 protesters, maybe everyone will listen if every time there a protest a few cop cars didn't catch fire and stores didn't get their windows broken. Lastly for Capitalism to go away a better system needs to take it's place, and at the moment no such system exists.
@SlavicFront88 We don't live in a capitalist society, if we did we would have free markets, but the markets are manipulated, if we lived in a true capitalist society the banks would not have been bailed out; when the state takes over the banks that is socialism not capitalism. get a financial education.
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if you guys all hate capitalism why dont you go and build a commune, pure capitalism means you choose what you are going to do with your own property, if that would be building a commune all power to ya, just dont try and force everyone else to conform to your views, capitalism is just the natural progression of barter, i'll give you this if you give me that, cool? ok, when it boils down to it socialism is "i'll give you this if you give me that, is it ok with the govt? oh, they dissaprove"
The establishment wont just give up capitalism. We the working class need to unite and organise a revolution. We must walk into the government buildings worldwide and take them by force, or face a life of increasing poverty and crime forever .
YES COMRADES, communism , marxism worked so well thoughout the generations; it created long food lines, shortages and generations of jobs for pencil pushing beaurocrats for the uninspired. Those in this video can actually find a purposeless "job" in the politiburo, no longer having to compete or use any creative innovation as in that nasty old capitalism. Reward the mundane and lazy!!! Let them ride on the backs of those with real potential. LOL
Hmmm, shoulda studied harder in school poor people. Good job wanting to screw people who busted their asses while you partied or did drugs. Fairness? What a crock. Fairness is working hard and getting rewarded. Unfairness is working hard and having a bunch of hippies cry about your big paychecks.
@oriclepro09 listen kid you've obviously grew up(not completely grown up) around mommy and daddy always telling you what to do and you've never live the world I assume you're not even out of high school yet college is not the same as high school it doesn't matter who you are or what school you went to some people don't find the jobs they are trying to get sometimes it's just not possible
@VulgarityDivine I graduated from college in the spring with an Engineering degree, so you fail on the "not outta hs" part. I live in the real world, and as someone who busted my ass studying for 4 years instead of partying while getting a generic business/english/history degree, I know that its a spit in the face when someone tries to pull the "we should have the same" comment. Listen, kid, you obviously are one of these "hippies", so go grab your sign and return to your bubble of utopia.
If the world wants something else it sure aint socialism. At the last election the SWP; where they stood, got like 1% of the vote. Socialism is a system whereby everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else. Strictly speaking there is no such thing as the "economy". The 'economy' is an abstraction. Economics is NOT science, just a set of ideas; which may be helpful or not. 'Capitalism' is such a vague and general term as to be pretty meaningless.
@rupertbrooks0 No, the world wants socialism...Socialism is great but a lot of socialist methods don't work some that do work one of the best that america struggles to figure out is that universal health care is proven to be the best system but that's just an example
@VulgarityDivine someones gotta pay for this crap. Where is the incentive to go to 8 years of med school if when you get out you only make 65k a year? And for you to say "thats plenty" is an outrage. Gotta pay doctors good money or we WONT HAVE ANY!.
@oriclepro09 For the majority of people that go through med school(like my grandma) the incentive is to help people not the money and I don't know how you got 65k from this no one is trying to take away doctors money
You people do realize that without capitalism the Internet and many other luxuries that we enjoy today would most likely be completely non-existent? Socialism promotes laziness
yeah and we would'nt have had tetris without communist russia hard at work either. The internet was largely developed by the pentagon... Where it was handed over to some capitalists who then did what they do and made a shit load of money off of the backs of normal non lazy joes such as yourself I suppose. Capitalism promotes mass starvation of hard working poor people and their children. I work hard. I don't like capitalism. Tax the Rich! they can afford it.
but all it's major politicians,generals and buisnessman still lived through a communist regime-also - urge soviet union after Lenin wAsn't really communist anyway
the soviet union didn't fall-it changed-difference you cunt-the soviet union was a superpower and it's succsesor still is a superpower-so shut up and sit down
Capitalism doesn't work anymore-it was fine 100 years ago but it's obsolete now-the world needs to evolve-communism is the next evolutionary step for government-like capitalism was to feudalism
@amazingyou1uber ? Neoconservatives tend to be much smarter than either conservatives or liberals. And a little scientific literacy outside of it's correct discipline can be dangerous. For example I'm in physics so I know better about evolution. However to the average person this could lead to atheism which in turn can often easily lead to relativism. How can a society be properly managed without some of this to keep people in line?
No offense but you have to be an idiot to be against capitalism. Capitalism is what causes countries like America to have some of the highest living standards in the world, yet people still clamor for a terrible system like socialism? How stupid do you have to be??
Just look at any country that's moving towards statism and compare it to America.
I really recommend all of you anti-capitalists actually go read a book like Basic Economics and see how terrific socialism is.
@JohananRaatz because Europe is a much tighter layout, and its possible to walk everywhere. And in 75% of America, which is spread out and not built on top of each other (unlike major cities), it would be impossible to ask people to give up a vehicle.
People against capitalism are just jealous lazy fools that think the world owes them a living. Most wealthy people have gained their fortune through highly risky financial moves or working very hard, devoting their lives to their profession. Because you got made redundant why should everyone feel sorry don't for you, I got made redundant last year but I have the intelligence to realise that a company isn't going to carry on employing more people that needed.
@pimpUK1 Most wealthy people in America like Paris Hilton and the Rothschild kids? Most of the wealthy in America have had it handed down to them for doing nothing, nothing for their Country, their people or ANY work.
You poor sad thing, if you actually believe any of those in power give two hoots about you. Capitalism is great if you are part of the 1% everyone else is a peasent!
@MarilynFilth Lol, look up about Paris Hilton, Barron Hilton is giving 97% of his estate away to charities, so she won't benefit at all. As much as I dislike the women, she has pretty much made her fortune all by herself, most of it starting off from when the sex tape was released! Rothschilds have also donated a hell of lot of their wealth. What so wrong with inheritance? I take it in your will you will not give a penny to your family? Anyone can be that 1%, it just takes work!
I totally agree. That's why all the "peasants" in America have a much higher living standard than in all those great European countries where the government apparently "cares" about the people yet the standard of living is shitty.
Go take a quick look at history pal. People in this country become rich by MAKING WEALTH FOR OTHERS. I'm really sick and tired of people just seeing the rich as parasites who don't do anything.
Solution: Why not illuminate the ROOT CAUSE of corruption? At the root is the monetary system. Check out the Zeitgeist movement and the Venus project.
@EpicSlug Good point. There are alternatives to Capitalism other than Communism. Time for a totally new system...don't you think? With our current world knowledge, technology and reasoning we can come up with a totally new...updated system.
I am getting sick of rich people talking about capitalism is making the world richer! If they like capitalism because they want a richer world why do they then buy a grand house in Berverly Hills in stead of sharing som of the tons of money they have got? If we put the taxes up for instance the poor people becomes richer and the middle class would become richer. The upper class is a shit without the workers!
@madsfreestylerap i bet if you had that amount of money u wont 'distribute' it like ur suggesting. To become wealthy take a very high degree of risk, be it money-wise or a huge sacrifice in a sort of way. Why would you want to live in a world were hard work is not rewarded. Not every rich person inherits their wealth most are 1st gen. Be the master of your own destiny and do something with your life instead of looking at others end result. Wealth and leadership is not for everybody.
Look! I would love a system without taxes and i would love a system where you get rewarded. That would be fantastic but what i also want is poor families being able to let there child get a nice education. What i also want is free trains and busses. But you dont see. If the lower class becomes richer the upper class will earn more money because now has the poor people got more moneto buy from. If we slowly moves a socialstic system some day everybody will be rich.
@madsfreestylerap lol socialism at its core is the definition of greed. although their are some good elements of it like a free national health service, it will in the long run reduce a nations wealth. Look at any country practicing socialism, are they wealthy and enjoying the benefits of one that doesnt? Such a utopia in history has not existed and will not ever exist.
I face being made redundant this week. If I am I shall receive a pittance and my life will be turned upside down and all around I see the rich filling their pockets with the fruits of my labour, banks and corporations getting bilions in state welfare and massive cuts in social spending. I have nothing left in me but hate and rage against this tyrannical, insane system. People's lives are being destroyed all over the globe so a minority can live in luxury. I hope there can be a mass fightback.
@rebeldog11 - Hey, if the rich are filling their pockets with the fruits of your labour, why not start your own business and keep 100% of the profits of your labour?
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@rebeldog11 The rich don't get the fruit of your labor. You get something in return for the money you give them, in a competitive market. In a non-competitive market, such as an oligopoly or monopoly, you don't see as much benefit for what you pay for, and maybe that's what you're referring to. But this kind of system can only exist when there is a government in place to create barriers to entry, such as with OPEC.
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@rebeldog11 The rich don't get the fruit of your labor. You get something in return for the money you give them, in a competitive market. In a non-competitive market, such as an oligopoly or monopoly, you don't see as much benefit for what you pay for, and maybe that's what you're referring to. But this kind of system can only exist when there is a government in place to create barriers to entry, such as with OPEC.
@rebeldog11 no, rich becoming richer does not make you poorer. that is an old economic myth and fucking retards like you who believe it are ruining our country. YES!! SOCIALISM IS THE ANSWER!! ALL PRAISE OBAMA THE MESSIAH!!
The world doesn't want capitalism? Yeah right, the world economies as a whole have been growing steadily towards more economic freedom over the last 3 decades. Just check out the economic freedom report at "freetheworld(dot)com". It is just the wealthy world like in Europe and the US that can afford to flirt with socialism. It's a shame that people can't accept the one thing that has helped them get so far.
Freedom for who? just for the ones that can pay for it! Freedom of the burgueoisieto exploit others and freedom to create poors to polute OUR air and water freedom to lucrate with other people's effort and REAL work.
Europe got what they have from exploiting America (the continent of course), India, China, Middle East and Africa, the US has invaded a country every year since foundation, killing people, and promoting Terrorism
"Freedom for who? just for the ones who can pay for it"
Ummm... having a free economy costs NOTHING. We can all pay for it. It is actually much CHEAPER then a govt run economy and it makes us all more wealthy.
"polute OUR air"
LOL! The communist nations were the worst polluters on earth! Also, statistics show that the freest economies in the world have the best environmental practices! Get your facts in order!
Workers can't afford to pay time on Rado or TV, only the burguoisie that owns the media. Repeat that to millions of workers, that must be poor to mantain the greedy rich, a State economy ensures education, healthcare and food TO all, as oppoedto the "free" ecnomies where a worker can't get a cold, not to mention Cancer.
And who pushed Socalist Bloc (NOT Comunist) to the Arms Race that produced nuclear wase? Who dropped the a-bombs? And remember US never signed Kioto Protocol
Healthcare systesm is paid by taxes and also you have to pay for it as if itwasa private one, tht's ridicolous.
NO, the armas race STARTED cause the USA threatened the USSR, the a-bomb wasn't for saving lives, Japanese Empire was already doomed and Hirohito was willing to surrend, something that the USA didn't (and still doesn't) wanna say, the only reason was to prove their brand new weapon, and; thereore, threat the USSR
"Europe got what they have from exploiting America"
Is that why Spain went from the most powerful nation on earth to being completely irrelevant right while it was importing massive amounts of silver and gold from the Americas?
Britain Germany and France steam rolled Spain (especially Britain) by producing wealth in the own nations with the use of manufacturing. NOT by exploiting material resources. Also, Europe spent more money MAINTAINING colonies then they ever got from them!
Spain actualy didn't import, it STOLE. Britain exploited China and India an Africa along with France, France an Britain stole everything they wanted from Africa, even they used africas as slaves.
Mantain what? They didn't pay healthcare or education for the slaves at Africa, they jut let them die or sold them to other countries.
Colonies ended up costing Britain more then they ever got out of them and they never exploited China, they just forced the Chinese govt to allow them to trade.
"Mantain what?"
Maintain their rule. That costs a lot in a large foreign nation. Honestly, do some research. The world figured out that colonies are a drain a long time ago.
Spanish Empire ended spending more than they actually had
When did that occured? XX century, and trade is a way of exploitation and the basis of NEOCOLONIALISM, and that answers the last argument, when the old system failed, this new one -US creation- came to replace old Colonialism
Free trade creates wars? Are you serious? Do you have ANY idea why the US and China will never go to war? We are dependent on each other. The minute we end trade relations with each other we will already be doomed. Within a week both countries will be on their knees without a shot being fired. Capitalism ties us together so we CAN'T fight.
And your point is???? What does this have to do with Capitalism? Which political parties in congress voted to go to Iraq? BOTH the Dems and Reps but not lonely little Ron Paul because he is a Libertarian! War has nothing to do with freedom, don't try to associate opposites.
Capitalism creates wars, the US promotes war, they got most of their land by making wars and became an empire by promoting wars, promotng freedom by enslaving countries and invading if they dont want to enforce Capitalism
What does this have to do with Capitalism? Wars are started for many reasons, none of which happen due to free trade. You are confusing two completely separate issues.
If you didn't already notice both the Democrats and Republicans voted to go to war in Iraq. Which US congressman voted not to? The ONLY LIBERTARIAN!
The true advocates of small government and free trade are the true advocates of peace.
The arms race was a service to the constitution based on the the preamble, and the governments role to defend and protect the country. I would look at the Constitution if you would like to understand get the full picture.
If you knew the difference of Oligarchy, Democracy, and Republic and Anarchy in our country you would understand that the constitution is only protected under moderate democracy and truly under a Republic. You will understand the difference bettween Canada and US. You, a Canadian have a different form of government. have a Democracy Parliment, Authoritarian law, Anarchy, No constitution form of rights. Our government rue is all defined in the constitution the authority of the government.
Rich ppls will allways be over -greedy(even if they arent greedy or say they are) if they follow their own wants and needs, give money to the poor THOSE, WHO ACTUALLY HAS A BETTER WATY TO INVEST THE MONEY IN !!!
Ask a soldier what they think of The Constitution and they will tell you they will die fighting to keep it. Then ask them what they think of Communism.
The fact that you are trying to sell Communism with some idiotic video thanks to capitalism and the inventive minds of the US, and the inventors of Microsoft OS.
Make these anti-capitalists look like idiots.
Other than that you can keep what your selling. I hope to keep my capitalism thats worth protesting on.
In communist country they are taught communism before family. Their children are told what is right and wrong, not to choose for themselves or their families teaching them. Their families where raised the same way. They are ridiculed for thinking for themselves. Our country although we are loosing jobs over seas, we still remain the most inventive and one of the most productive countries. We need to fix the problems we have before putting a communist face on it.
good comments. Stalin's death squads killed my grandfather's mother, father, sister, and 2 infant brothers. They lined them up against the wall of their farm and shot them right in front of my grandfather. he was only 12 years old and in an instant his entire family was gone. The reason? they were jewish and refused to denounce their religion. you can see i have quite a beef with communism and those that support it.
I can't top that story if I tried. I don't think that I want to. But I know that my father didn't fight for this country to see our freedoms get taken from us. No capitalism is a short step to socialism and communism.
I think it takes a lot of waking up for some people to realize what it is we take for granted here. People really think that another holocaust will never happen and couldn't happen here. I think the Jews in Poland and Germany though the same thing. Germany had a constitution once.
exactly. I took a trip to Eastern Germany back in '86 when the wall was still up. It was the grayest most depressing place i have ever seen in my life. soldiers pointed guns at you, the kgb tailed me the whole time, and nobody would talk to you for fear of being arrested. but hey thats socialism for you!
I can't imagine what it would look like and I hope I never see it happen to our country. I don't know what I would do. I guess I would move to Australia, but not with out fighting against it first.
Stalin wasn't Communist, his rule was everything but Communism and by the way jew scum, you should thank Stalin for voting to create you stupid sionist country, thanks to Stalin fo supporting such bullshit
Wow, way to completely throw out any shred of dignity you might have been hiding in a corner some where. With supporters like you it is not very surprising that Communism has failed to do anything but lay waste to nations and starve tens of millions of innocents that could have lived healthy and productive lives (not to mention FREE) under capitalism.
The capitalist system is not perfect. It's better than having a communist country. Notice all the communist always have something horrible to say about Capitalism but they never have anything horrible to say about their own country. This is because they are taught not to say anything bad about communism. Only in a Capitalist society do you have these freedoms. The fact that you anti-capitol have shit to say is because of the constitution. FYI you don't have a constitution in a communist society.
I'm a communist, and I realize that throughout every communist country there was a red terror. I know about the millions upon millions of deaths it has caused. I know about the terrible pol pot regimes. However, I don't believe these examples to be true communism, which has yet to have been practiced. It's not the idea itself, but the people that used it as their carrot on the stick for control. However, capitalism is in it for the corporations, the filthy power striving rich, believe me, I've
focused on the terrors of what a communist society has done, especially with the Soviet Union with the extermination of peasants and kulaks, not to mention the KGB "Gold Mines" that I could only imagine as a collectivization hell. However, perhaps you too should realize the problems with capitalism, all inequality is a product of it, it's why continents like Africa can never raise themselves from their situation. I'm a communist, and if I lived in a communist society in which there was no
I can understand your point and I am glad to have amused the interest of a communist young one. No one knows for sure that you becoming socialist or communism, until the democracy fails to protect the constitutional rights of individuals.
The USSR corrected th stalinist bloody mistakes, Khruschyov dismantled the GULAG System and aimed to coexist in peace with others. But yeah, mass killings was evil, and that isn't Socialism, Stalin misunderstood and didn't know about Sociaism
freedom of speech, I would stick up against it for the fact that it contradicts what it portrayed to the insightful workers that had given their lives in the name of overthrowing their oppressors. Perhaps it's because I'm only 15 years old that I have such a different perspective and didn't experience such things like the arms race within my own time that I'm not as opposed as you. Kudos for accepting the flaws of capitalism, however, I think you should consider egalitarian ideals.
Without capitalism (and yes I mean perhaps socialism/communism in place of it), to try and gather that many people for this summit would be ridiculous. There would be no mass media to help organize, no planes to travel from one country to the next quickly, etc. communism does only look good on paper, but since people started developing standard currency's for their economies capitalism has existed, NOT socialism. If socialism worked why wouldn't we all be socialist already? capitalism does work
in capitalism 1% of the world's population owns 40% of the world's resources. something is very wrong.
they say communism only looks good on paper, well so does capitalism!
the problem with capitalism is that it is based on people's responsibility but lets face it - the only responsibility capitalists have is to gain more money at any cost.
my grandfathers family was shot by communist soldiers because they were jewish as were millions of other minorities that were on Stalin's hit list. yeah sure communsim works great! as long as your not a minority or speak against it.
dont forget that karl marx, the father of communism was jewish but he was an anti-semite and anti-zionist. but lenin and trotsky were no friend of jews but they were against discrimination against jews.
well if it wasnt for stalin the ussr would have been crushed. stalin was a STATESMAN and a leader. he was no philanthrophist. he had one goal - to make sure the soviets not only catch up with the western world but become STRONGER. and he was successful.
Its fine if you want to revert back to socialism and become just like the soviet union but the USA is a free market country and it is going to stay that way. I am not going to have the goverment control me and god knows i dont want everywhere i go to be like the fucking DMV. if socialism comes here you are going to see the same march but with freedom wanting americans at the white house.
thats not true. Socialism is partially what got europe in the mess that its in, they are worse off than everyone else because of it. Socialism is a tool for bigger government, bigger government means more resources taken FROM the people. Its a form of Oligarchy. The government dictates what is available to the people, it no longer becomes their choice. Socialism has never made the world or nation better. Please get educated on the matter, research and look at history, it speaks volumes.
Are you retarded. You obviously know nothimg about politics other than what you hear on the tv. You sound like this is a black and white issue. Socialism is a vague term in which it can go in many different directions. Some directions work, some don't. People like you are the one's who autimatically think of Hitler when you hear socialism, which shows your ignorance of what socialism really is. Stop spreading your nonsense which you know absolutely nothing about.
You ever heard of the myth of scandinavian socialism? You should look it up. Many on the left like to tout that its full on socialism that works. This is a myth. The reasons a FEW scandinavian nations do well is due to their business, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, freedom from corruption, and labor freedom. Freedoms that dont exist in other nations. The US nor other countries in europe have those freedoms, some often illegal else where. (drugs, piracy, copyright..ect)
its bacause scandinavian countries have mixed-economy, i never said that we were 100% socialist, but we have socialist ellements that have realy helpt us. like socialised healtcare, education, Parental leave, Pension, Trade union, so if you combine capitalism whit restrictions that protect the workers you get a working model, not truly capitalistic and not truly socialistic, but working
Social liberalism stands for a mixed economy, that doen´st mean your a socialist. A capitalistic world doen´st have to be a laissez-Faire kind of government, that is extreme capitalist. But socialism leads to the reduction of human freedom, something that has yet to happen in Scandinavia. So, it is a capitalistic countries but not of the laissez faire kind! But I think that beeing a multi-party government has also helped for your ascension.
I say this because here in Portugal Socialism has done nothing but counter-progress. We are now one of the slowest growing coutries in EU because of the very nacionalized economy.
The "world" is free to drop out and form a nice collective commune anywhere it can get land. But it can get out of my face and out of my paycheck. Damn Wannabe revolutionary art fags with fascist tendencies.
AynManRand 1 month ago
@AynManRand I support that. I also support National Anarchists. We desire exactly what you just mentioned. Allow us to live in our own communities, and we can allow you to live in yours. I support cultures, ecological responsibility and non oppression. We can make this work if we all make the effort, everyone except the destroyers of the planet and corporate slave-masters can win.
Dystopian420 3 weeks ago
@Dystopian420 We can probably agree that Corporations and the rich do not need subsidy of any kind. If they are to fail on their own then the flip side is that they must allowed as much of their profit as possible. Just laid off again and Im angry at every obstacle I see for survival being thrown at us. Today my girlfriend loses her car, displaced from operation by smog standards and now the city will fine us for storing the car in the driveway.
AynManRand 3 weeks ago
@AynManRand It's hard and I feel for you just as I feel for all of us. I can't say I have all the answers or the best answers, but I found a way that makes sense to me so far. All I know is we gotta all do our best to make this world better for all of us. I respect differences. Best wishes to you, things will get better.
Dystopian420 3 weeks ago
What a bunch of dirty douche bags. Take a shower. Get a job.
gitchigoomi 3 months ago in playlist Anti-capitalism
@gitchigoomi Get a job? Did you say that to Tea Party protesters? After all, they were out on weekdays as well.
Ad hominem is employed when one cannot refute an argument. Good day, sir.
georgelopezblows 3 months ago 4
@georgelopezblows At least ad hominem is employed. The protesters should try the same.
gitchigoomi 3 months ago
Correction: Thousands of indoctrinated socialist brits don't want capitalism.
The opposite of this video his happening quite frequently in America.
Nothing against the British they're a long term ally and a great group of people as a country, with that being said, the next generation in terms of government policies in the UK is well.... screwed.
PivotB3stZ 4 months ago
@PivotB3stZ
The actual way people are being indoctrinated,
watch?v=GX3sKcunkiQ
it details some of the Koch and corp lobby junk used to hijack USA by cheats & crooks.
marsCubed 3 weeks ago
I just have to say... it is because of capitalism that you are making videos, uploading them to the internet so that guys like me can pull the video out of the air and watch your ignorant, university-student aged rant videos pretending like you understand the way the world works because you've read Animal Farm. The "rich" are not some select group of people with a stamp on their heads that say "rich" nor are the "poor." We're not in the industrial revolution, workers are not exploited.
DyckSlapnutz 4 months ago
@DyckSlapnutz Well said. They won't listen though.
gitchigoomi 3 months ago
@DyckSlapnutz That's the situation in the "western" world. So yeah, in North America and Europe, it is not the case that people are born poor and can't change that fact. But go to other Countries: Vietnam, Taiwan, all over Africa. Everywhere else, where people are working for us to have "hip" clothes, they are born as workers, and they die as workers. Here in Europe/America, the Situation is fair and Democracy and Capitalism work out but everywhere else, Democracy and Capitalism Kill people!
moinsimion 3 months ago
@moinsimion Are you kidding? Democracy as practiced by the current governments spreads capitalism and neither are working in the U.S. or anywhere else. It works for corporatism and zionism. "Democracy and Capitalism Kill people!" Exactly.
Dystopian420 3 weeks ago
@Dystopian420 Yes, that is pretty much what I said. But you still have to find a solution, right. Also, democracy could work out pretty well, but there are no democratic countries in this world, unfortunately.
moinsimion 3 weeks ago
@moinsimion Please read the manifesto on the N-AM website for the National Anarchist Movement. It's a possible solution.
Dystopian420 3 weeks ago
@Dystopian420 Maybe. Maybe not. I am sure that there are better systems. Also, how could you possibly achieve anarchy? It is going to be very hard.
moinsimion 3 weeks ago
@moinsimion The way and the questions are pointed out in the manifesto, I can't post it all here. Doing nothing is also not going to help. We have to start somewhere. There are different ideas about Anarchy, so again you'd need to read and decide for yourself. A non racist, pro culture, tribalist society with a focus on ecological responsibility, anti corporatism, anti capitalist, anti oppression sounds like a good start to me.
Dystopian420 3 weeks ago
@Dystopian420 I know everything you have to know about anarchy, and of all the systems I would prefer it. But I dont see how Anarchy is achievable at this point in time. I will read the manifesto though, maybe there is something interesting in there.
moinsimion 3 weeks ago
@Dystopian420 oh, one more comment: Don't you find it weird to call a movement the national anarchist movement?
moinsimion 3 weeks ago
@moinsimion not at all. edited to shorten it, from wiki, "In the US,"anarchy" typically is meant to refer to a society without a publicly/violently enforced government. When used in this sense, anarchy may or may not be intended to imply political disorder or lawlessness.
Dystopian420 3 weeks ago
@Dystopian420 "Outside of the US, and by most individuals that self-identify as anarchists, it implies a system of governance, mostly theoretical at a nation state level although there are a few successful historical examples that goes to lengths to avoid the use of coercion, violence, force and authority, while still producing a productive and desirable society." So a movement is not a problem.
Dystopian420 3 weeks ago
@Dystopian420 Ok, I read through it, I think you guys are thinking about the right things, but you are doing the wrong. Terrorists and murderers are what they are. Always and all over the world, no matter if US soldier or Taliban fighter.
moinsimion 3 weeks ago
@moinsimion What does the U.S. and Taliban have to do with the manifesto or the group? All Anarchists of every kind are against both. National Anarchists want to live in cultural communities, they are against oppression, capitalism, consumerism, destruction of the planet and the annihilation of races/cultures through zionist and corporate agenda which reduces humanity to a grey skinned, consumerist cattle. Not sure what you are referring to. PM if you would like to discuss more.
Dystopian420 3 weeks ago
@Dystopian420 National Anarchism cant exist since Anarchy is the exact opposite of Nationalism. And with my other message, I was referring to the chapter revolution.
moinsimion 3 weeks ago
If the world doesn't want capitalism, they can opt out.
AroundSun 4 months ago
@AroundSun Not before the United States invades them or imposes economic sanctions.
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Dezzreck 3 months ago
if you are tired of seeing homeless people and children digging out of trash cans to eat...tired of seeing our streets filled with boxes and soup kitchens...homless shelters are not the answer...stop the capitalists from taking from the needy...stop funding war and fund the war on povery in OUR OWN country...take down the capitalist blockade on food for the needy..like this if you feel the same
Nsane90 6 months ago
@Nsane90 too bad that capitalism is the ONLY system in the history of mankind that has taken those people out of those situations. but you are just another bleeding heart economic illiterate so I won't go much further.......
AroundSun 4 months ago
I'm sorry to tell you dumb asses but sometimes sometimes you've got to keep something simple pure capitalism is the way to go.
MrAwesomesauce101 7 months ago
Capitalism may not work, but it's better then anarchy. But to all G-8 and G-20 protesters, maybe everyone will listen if every time there a protest a few cop cars didn't catch fire and stores didn't get their windows broken. Lastly for Capitalism to go away a better system needs to take it's place, and at the moment no such system exists.
dave19941000 8 months ago
make a country that does not have capitalism and see how it goes =].
MrWhosaywhat 8 months ago
Capitalism does work, it works perfectly well.. Unfortunately not for the people, but for egoistic bastards who will never care for their people.
Whether people want this system or not, it must be abolished.
SlavicFront88 8 months ago 9
@SlavicFront88 We don't live in a capitalist society, if we did we would have free markets, but the markets are manipulated, if we lived in a true capitalist society the banks would not have been bailed out; when the state takes over the banks that is socialism not capitalism. get a financial education.
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9chezter 8 months ago
There is only one solution, and that is Revolution. I'm fucking sick of this shit.
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9chezter 8 months ago
So much respect from Denmark
Fuck danish and british gov
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SuperAcab666 11 months ago
if you guys all hate capitalism why dont you go and build a commune, pure capitalism means you choose what you are going to do with your own property, if that would be building a commune all power to ya, just dont try and force everyone else to conform to your views, capitalism is just the natural progression of barter, i'll give you this if you give me that, cool? ok, when it boils down to it socialism is "i'll give you this if you give me that, is it ok with the govt? oh, they dissaprove"
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 1 year ago
wow you would rather play it safe than take a risk and get a great reward?
BIGKENNYAKA72 1 year ago
The establishment wont just give up capitalism. We the working class need to unite and organise a revolution. We must walk into the government buildings worldwide and take them by force, or face a life of increasing poverty and crime forever .
ienttellinya 1 year ago
Anarcho-Communism, Black/Red Flag
tra93 1 year ago
FUCK CAPITALISM
WE HAVE HAD IT
ITS TIME FOR CHANGE
iguanarc 1 year ago
FUCK CAPITALISM, FUCK THAT PRIMITIVE AND TYRANICAL SYSTEM
pirufihho 1 year ago
i agree with this video.. I DONT WANT CAPITALISM IN THE WORLD!
Rospi123 1 year ago
YES COMRADES, communism , marxism worked so well thoughout the generations; it created long food lines, shortages and generations of jobs for pencil pushing beaurocrats for the uninspired. Those in this video can actually find a purposeless "job" in the politiburo, no longer having to compete or use any creative innovation as in that nasty old capitalism. Reward the mundane and lazy!!! Let them ride on the backs of those with real potential. LOL
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Winterwolf00 1 year ago
@calinten yes reward the lazy bankers like the lemman brothers- like your attitude
dancthegr 1 year ago
Hmmm, shoulda studied harder in school poor people. Good job wanting to screw people who busted their asses while you partied or did drugs. Fairness? What a crock. Fairness is working hard and getting rewarded. Unfairness is working hard and having a bunch of hippies cry about your big paychecks.
oriclepro09 1 year ago
@oriclepro09 listen kid you've obviously grew up(not completely grown up) around mommy and daddy always telling you what to do and you've never live the world I assume you're not even out of high school yet college is not the same as high school it doesn't matter who you are or what school you went to some people don't find the jobs they are trying to get sometimes it's just not possible
VulgarityDivine 1 year ago
@VulgarityDivine I graduated from college in the spring with an Engineering degree, so you fail on the "not outta hs" part. I live in the real world, and as someone who busted my ass studying for 4 years instead of partying while getting a generic business/english/history degree, I know that its a spit in the face when someone tries to pull the "we should have the same" comment. Listen, kid, you obviously are one of these "hippies", so go grab your sign and return to your bubble of utopia.
oriclepro09 1 year ago
If the world wants something else it sure aint socialism. At the last election the SWP; where they stood, got like 1% of the vote. Socialism is a system whereby everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else. Strictly speaking there is no such thing as the "economy". The 'economy' is an abstraction. Economics is NOT science, just a set of ideas; which may be helpful or not. 'Capitalism' is such a vague and general term as to be pretty meaningless.
rupertbrooks0 1 year ago
@rupertbrooks0 No, the world wants socialism...Socialism is great but a lot of socialist methods don't work some that do work one of the best that america struggles to figure out is that universal health care is proven to be the best system but that's just an example
VulgarityDivine 1 year ago
@VulgarityDivine someones gotta pay for this crap. Where is the incentive to go to 8 years of med school if when you get out you only make 65k a year? And for you to say "thats plenty" is an outrage. Gotta pay doctors good money or we WONT HAVE ANY!.
oriclepro09 1 year ago
@oriclepro09 For the majority of people that go through med school(like my grandma) the incentive is to help people not the money and I don't know how you got 65k from this no one is trying to take away doctors money
VulgarityDivine 1 year ago
You people do realize that without capitalism the Internet and many other luxuries that we enjoy today would most likely be completely non-existent? Socialism promotes laziness
EnergizerBunny804 1 year ago
@EnergizerBunny804
yeah and we would'nt have had tetris without communist russia hard at work either. The internet was largely developed by the pentagon... Where it was handed over to some capitalists who then did what they do and made a shit load of money off of the backs of normal non lazy joes such as yourself I suppose. Capitalism promotes mass starvation of hard working poor people and their children. I work hard. I don't like capitalism. Tax the Rich! they can afford it.
mrdylan828 1 year ago
Socialism is the way forward which is absolutly and completly different from Communism...its not communism
Babs44sun 1 year ago
@JohananRaatz
but all it's major politicians,generals and buisnessman still lived through a communist regime-also - urge soviet union after Lenin wAsn't really communist anyway
RAGGAPUNK33 1 year ago
@JohananRaatz
the soviet union didn't fall-it changed-difference you cunt-the soviet union was a superpower and it's succsesor still is a superpower-so shut up and sit down
RAGGAPUNK33 1 year ago
@RAGGAPUNK33 Yes but its successor is not communist. And it had to build itself up first before it became a superpower again.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
Who cares what the world wants? If they want to violate our rights fuck'em.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
Capitalism doesn't work anymore-it was fine 100 years ago but it's obsolete now-the world needs to evolve-communism is the next evolutionary step for government-like capitalism was to feudalism
RAGGAPUNK33 1 year ago
@RAGGAPUNK33 LOL! Communism? Hasn't that been proven obsolete plenty of times in the 20th century? The Soviet Union fell get over it.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
Social democracy is the way to go.
No bullshit capitalist republic.
amazingyou1uber 1 year ago
@amazingyou1uber Fuck social democracy. Social democracy = the mob putting people's rights up for a vote.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@JohananRaatz Which is why social democratic states rank higher in education and scientific literacy than the rest of retarded conservatives.
But hey the only whore you care about is YOURSELF, hence your identity as an individualist.
amazingyou1uber 1 year ago
@amazingyou1uber ? Neoconservatives tend to be much smarter than either conservatives or liberals. And a little scientific literacy outside of it's correct discipline can be dangerous. For example I'm in physics so I know better about evolution. However to the average person this could lead to atheism which in turn can often easily lead to relativism. How can a society be properly managed without some of this to keep people in line?
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
scum.
ForEurope 1 year ago
No offense but you have to be an idiot to be against capitalism. Capitalism is what causes countries like America to have some of the highest living standards in the world, yet people still clamor for a terrible system like socialism? How stupid do you have to be??
Just look at any country that's moving towards statism and compare it to America.
I really recommend all of you anti-capitalists actually go read a book like Basic Economics and see how terrific socialism is.
CommanderGene 1 year ago
@CommanderGene LOL. High living standards. LOL.
amazingyou1uber 1 year ago
@amazingyou1uber LOL. Tell me. Why is it that Americans have a much higher ratio of cars to persons than Europe?
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@JohananRaatz because Europe is a much tighter layout, and its possible to walk everywhere. And in 75% of America, which is spread out and not built on top of each other (unlike major cities), it would be impossible to ask people to give up a vehicle.
oriclepro09 1 year ago
@amazingyou1uber
I see. You can't use any facts to back you up so you just type in LOL and think you've refuted what I said. Well played.
CommanderGene 1 year ago
People against capitalism are just jealous lazy fools that think the world owes them a living. Most wealthy people have gained their fortune through highly risky financial moves or working very hard, devoting their lives to their profession. Because you got made redundant why should everyone feel sorry don't for you, I got made redundant last year but I have the intelligence to realise that a company isn't going to carry on employing more people that needed.
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@pimpUK1
what are you talking about???! , suckin workers's blood isn't hard work
algrand90 1 year ago
@algrand90 huh?
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@pimpUK1 Most wealthy people in America like Paris Hilton and the Rothschild kids? Most of the wealthy in America have had it handed down to them for doing nothing, nothing for their Country, their people or ANY work.
You poor sad thing, if you actually believe any of those in power give two hoots about you. Capitalism is great if you are part of the 1% everyone else is a peasent!
MarilynFilth 1 year ago
@MarilynFilth Lol, look up about Paris Hilton, Barron Hilton is giving 97% of his estate away to charities, so she won't benefit at all. As much as I dislike the women, she has pretty much made her fortune all by herself, most of it starting off from when the sex tape was released! Rothschilds have also donated a hell of lot of their wealth. What so wrong with inheritance? I take it in your will you will not give a penny to your family? Anyone can be that 1%, it just takes work!
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@MarilynFilth
I totally agree. That's why all the "peasants" in America have a much higher living standard than in all those great European countries where the government apparently "cares" about the people yet the standard of living is shitty.
Go take a quick look at history pal. People in this country become rich by MAKING WEALTH FOR OTHERS. I'm really sick and tired of people just seeing the rich as parasites who don't do anything.
CommanderGene 1 year ago
Solution: Why not illuminate the ROOT CAUSE of corruption? At the root is the monetary system. Check out the Zeitgeist movement and the Venus project.
gorfjorf2112 1 year ago
China is capitalist in practice, you know, only communist by title, ever since the Deng Xiaoping reforms
TheVoiceOfReason93 1 year ago
You know without capitalism youtube would not exist you wouldnt even have a house or a camera. if you dont like capitalism go to china.
EpicSlug 1 year ago
@EpicSlug China is a state of pore capitalism. Kuba (and just part of it) are aganst capitalism. Comercals tell u ther that u don´t just to much.
EmilErdbeere 1 year ago
@EpicSlug Good point. There are alternatives to Capitalism other than Communism. Time for a totally new system...don't you think? With our current world knowledge, technology and reasoning we can come up with a totally new...updated system.
gorfjorf2112 1 year ago
@EpicSlug You're so ignorant it's not funny!
MarilynFilth 1 year ago
without capitalism u guys wouldnt even be looking at this screen tbh
triangle1990 1 year ago
Yeah yeah blah blah blah
I am getting sick of rich people talking about capitalism is making the world richer! If they like capitalism because they want a richer world why do they then buy a grand house in Berverly Hills in stead of sharing som of the tons of money they have got? If we put the taxes up for instance the poor people becomes richer and the middle class would become richer. The upper class is a shit without the workers!
Sucker
madsfreestylerap 1 year ago
@madsfreestylerap i bet if you had that amount of money u wont 'distribute' it like ur suggesting. To become wealthy take a very high degree of risk, be it money-wise or a huge sacrifice in a sort of way. Why would you want to live in a world were hard work is not rewarded. Not every rich person inherits their wealth most are 1st gen. Be the master of your own destiny and do something with your life instead of looking at others end result. Wealth and leadership is not for everybody.
triangle1990 1 year ago
Look! I would love a system without taxes and i would love a system where you get rewarded. That would be fantastic but what i also want is poor families being able to let there child get a nice education. What i also want is free trains and busses. But you dont see. If the lower class becomes richer the upper class will earn more money because now has the poor people got more moneto buy from. If we slowly moves a socialstic system some day everybody will be rich.
madsfreestylerap 1 year ago
@madsfreestylerap lol socialism at its core is the definition of greed. although their are some good elements of it like a free national health service, it will in the long run reduce a nations wealth. Look at any country practicing socialism, are they wealthy and enjoying the benefits of one that doesnt? Such a utopia in history has not existed and will not ever exist.
triangle1990 1 year ago
Okay listen up!
Take a look at my country Denmark!
Why is everybody so rich?
Ooooh yeeah thats right because we have thru the last 100 years been close to a socialistic system but now the goverment has become capitalistic!
The hospitals will soon colaps and a educationt will be expensive in the future!
Taxes down, taxes down, blah blah blah
madsfreestylerap 1 year ago
Yeah they would because the technology was there and every country had made TVs it's ignorance your full of for comments like that.
NewRevolutionLeader 1 year ago
I face being made redundant this week. If I am I shall receive a pittance and my life will be turned upside down and all around I see the rich filling their pockets with the fruits of my labour, banks and corporations getting bilions in state welfare and massive cuts in social spending. I have nothing left in me but hate and rage against this tyrannical, insane system. People's lives are being destroyed all over the globe so a minority can live in luxury. I hope there can be a mass fightback.
rebeldog11 2 years ago 20
@rebeldog11 amen to that!
katocollier 2 years ago
@rebeldog11 Here here!
litlemadguitarist 1 year ago
@rebeldog11 That was almost like beautiful poetry.
xx1994xxversion2 1 year ago
@rebeldog11 "state welfare" to banks is the antithesis of capitalism, its keynesian economics, centrist politics,
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 1 year ago
@rebeldog11 - Hey, if the rich are filling their pockets with the fruits of your labour, why not start your own business and keep 100% of the profits of your labour?
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9chezter 8 months ago
@rebeldog11 The rich don't get the fruit of your labor. You get something in return for the money you give them, in a competitive market. In a non-competitive market, such as an oligopoly or monopoly, you don't see as much benefit for what you pay for, and maybe that's what you're referring to. But this kind of system can only exist when there is a government in place to create barriers to entry, such as with OPEC.
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@rebeldog11 The rich don't get the fruit of your labor. You get something in return for the money you give them, in a competitive market. In a non-competitive market, such as an oligopoly or monopoly, you don't see as much benefit for what you pay for, and maybe that's what you're referring to. But this kind of system can only exist when there is a government in place to create barriers to entry, such as with OPEC.
shakemeno 9 months ago
@rebeldog11 no, rich becoming richer does not make you poorer. that is an old economic myth and fucking retards like you who believe it are ruining our country. YES!! SOCIALISM IS THE ANSWER!! ALL PRAISE OBAMA THE MESSIAH!!
you make me puke
AroundSun 4 months ago
those country hills are looking more and more appealing.
all governments in all countries are fucked.
global warming is a spin-off the Y2K bug with no end.
alcohol is legal yet pot isn't.
why do we need to replace appliances every few years, yet they wanna rave on about global warming.
everywhere I look mostly the rich have their hand out wanting my money.
world vision is a fraud, they should have fed everyone by now.
its all fucked
hankhonker 2 years ago
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Wow... stupid video.
Has the maker of it, or any other communist, considered why the USSR had to end emigration? Same for Cuba and Vietnam.
Communism = the creator of refugees.
residentevilfan374 2 years ago
k ty man
Nice arguments.
pulsatingremedy 2 years ago
The world doesn't want capitalism? Yeah right, the world economies as a whole have been growing steadily towards more economic freedom over the last 3 decades. Just check out the economic freedom report at "freetheworld(dot)com". It is just the wealthy world like in Europe and the US that can afford to flirt with socialism. It's a shame that people can't accept the one thing that has helped them get so far.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
@Aliothemage
Freedom for who? just for the ones that can pay for it! Freedom of the burgueoisieto exploit others and freedom to create poors to polute OUR air and water freedom to lucrate with other people's effort and REAL work.
Europe got what they have from exploiting America (the continent of course), India, China, Middle East and Africa, the US has invaded a country every year since foundation, killing people, and promoting Terrorism
Ubytsa89 2 years ago
"Freedom for who? just for the ones who can pay for it"
Ummm... having a free economy costs NOTHING. We can all pay for it. It is actually much CHEAPER then a govt run economy and it makes us all more wealthy.
"polute OUR air"
LOL! The communist nations were the worst polluters on earth! Also, statistics show that the freest economies in the world have the best environmental practices! Get your facts in order!
Aliothemage 2 years ago
@Aliothemage
Workers can't afford to pay time on Rado or TV, only the burguoisie that owns the media. Repeat that to millions of workers, that must be poor to mantain the greedy rich, a State economy ensures education, healthcare and food TO all, as oppoedto the "free" ecnomies where a worker can't get a cold, not to mention Cancer.
And who pushed Socalist Bloc (NOT Comunist) to the Arms Race that produced nuclear wase? Who dropped the a-bombs? And remember US never signed Kioto Protocol
Ubytsa89 2 years ago
" 'free' ecnomies where a worker can't get a cold, not to mention Cancer"
Please read the nonsense you write before you post it. You'll look less silly that way.
"who pushed Socalist Bloc [...] to the Arms Race that produced Nuclear wase?"
The arms race was pushed by BOTH sides genius, also it didn't produce any nuclear waste, the use of nuclear energy does that.
"Who dropped the a-bombs?"
That ended WW2 and actually SAVED lives, You don't know what you're talking about.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
@Aliothemage
Healthcare systesm is paid by taxes and also you have to pay for it as if itwasa private one, tht's ridicolous.
NO, the armas race STARTED cause the USA threatened the USSR, the a-bomb wasn't for saving lives, Japanese Empire was already doomed and Hirohito was willing to surrend, something that the USA didn't (and still doesn't) wanna say, the only reason was to prove their brand new weapon, and; thereore, threat the USSR
Ubytsa89 2 years ago 5
"Europe got what they have from exploiting America"
Is that why Spain went from the most powerful nation on earth to being completely irrelevant right while it was importing massive amounts of silver and gold from the Americas?
Britain Germany and France steam rolled Spain (especially Britain) by producing wealth in the own nations with the use of manufacturing. NOT by exploiting material resources. Also, Europe spent more money MAINTAINING colonies then they ever got from them!
Aliothemage 2 years ago
@Aliothemage
Spain actualy didn't import, it STOLE. Britain exploited China and India an Africa along with France, France an Britain stole everything they wanted from Africa, even they used africas as slaves.
Mantain what? They didn't pay healthcare or education for the slaves at Africa, they jut let them die or sold them to other countries.
Ubytsa89 2 years ago
"Spain actualy didn't import, it STOLE"
That changes the point of my argument how?
"Britain exploited China and India an Africa"
Colonies ended up costing Britain more then they ever got out of them and they never exploited China, they just forced the Chinese govt to allow them to trade.
"Mantain what?"
Maintain their rule. That costs a lot in a large foreign nation. Honestly, do some research. The world figured out that colonies are a drain a long time ago.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
@Aliothemage
Spanish Empire ended spending more than they actually had
When did that occured? XX century, and trade is a way of exploitation and the basis of NEOCOLONIALISM, and that answers the last argument, when the old system failed, this new one -US creation- came to replace old Colonialism
Ubytsa89 2 years ago
"they didn't pay heathcare or education for the slaves at Africa"
The British ended slavery way before the Africans did. In fact Europe and eventually the US has done a lot of work to end slavery in Africa.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
@Aliothemage
Like promoting US influenced dictatorships in countries like Congo so they didn't turn into a dictatorship under the USSR influence?
YEAH, that's really nice, Africa should thank the USA and it's puppies
Ubytsa89 2 years ago
"Capitalism creates wars"
Free trade creates wars? Are you serious? Do you have ANY idea why the US and China will never go to war? We are dependent on each other. The minute we end trade relations with each other we will already be doomed. Within a week both countries will be on their knees without a shot being fired. Capitalism ties us together so we CAN'T fight.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
@Aliothemage
Should I tell you how many times the USA invaded Latin America so the United Fruit (US enterprise) had such freedom, to enforce THEIR free trade?
Ubytsa89 2 years ago 20
"the US has invaded a country every year"
And your point is???? What does this have to do with Capitalism? Which political parties in congress voted to go to Iraq? BOTH the Dems and Reps but not lonely little Ron Paul because he is a Libertarian! War has nothing to do with freedom, don't try to associate opposites.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
@Aliothemage
Capitalism creates wars, the US promotes war, they got most of their land by making wars and became an empire by promoting wars, promotng freedom by enslaving countries and invading if they dont want to enforce Capitalism
Ubytsa89 2 years ago
"the US promotes war"
What does this have to do with Capitalism? Wars are started for many reasons, none of which happen due to free trade. You are confusing two completely separate issues.
If you didn't already notice both the Democrats and Republicans voted to go to war in Iraq. Which US congressman voted not to? The ONLY LIBERTARIAN!
The true advocates of small government and free trade are the true advocates of peace.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
The arms race was a service to the constitution based on the the preamble, and the governments role to defend and protect the country. I would look at the Constitution if you would like to understand get the full picture.
CHardi1099 2 years ago
knowing dates and current events at that time will help you out as well.
CHardi1099 2 years ago
If you knew the difference of Oligarchy, Democracy, and Republic and Anarchy in our country you would understand that the constitution is only protected under moderate democracy and truly under a Republic. You will understand the difference bettween Canada and US. You, a Canadian have a different form of government. have a Democracy Parliment, Authoritarian law, Anarchy, No constitution form of rights. Our government rue is all defined in the constitution the authority of the government.
CHardi1099 2 years ago
Rich ppls will allways be over -greedy(even if they arent greedy or say they are) if they follow their own wants and needs, give money to the poor THOSE, WHO ACTUALLY HAS A BETTER WATY TO INVEST THE MONEY IN !!!
MagnitudePerson 2 years ago
Ask a soldier what they think of The Constitution and they will tell you they will die fighting to keep it. Then ask them what they think of Communism.
The fact that you are trying to sell Communism with some idiotic video thanks to capitalism and the inventive minds of the US, and the inventors of Microsoft OS.
Make these anti-capitalists look like idiots.
Other than that you can keep what your selling. I hope to keep my capitalism thats worth protesting on.
CHardi1099 2 years ago
In communist country they are taught communism before family. Their children are told what is right and wrong, not to choose for themselves or their families teaching them. Their families where raised the same way. They are ridiculed for thinking for themselves. Our country although we are loosing jobs over seas, we still remain the most inventive and one of the most productive countries. We need to fix the problems we have before putting a communist face on it.
CHardi1099 2 years ago
good comments. Stalin's death squads killed my grandfather's mother, father, sister, and 2 infant brothers. They lined them up against the wall of their farm and shot them right in front of my grandfather. he was only 12 years old and in an instant his entire family was gone. The reason? they were jewish and refused to denounce their religion. you can see i have quite a beef with communism and those that support it.
coverchenko 2 years ago
I can't top that story if I tried. I don't think that I want to. But I know that my father didn't fight for this country to see our freedoms get taken from us. No capitalism is a short step to socialism and communism.
I think it takes a lot of waking up for some people to realize what it is we take for granted here. People really think that another holocaust will never happen and couldn't happen here. I think the Jews in Poland and Germany though the same thing. Germany had a constitution once.
CHardi1099 2 years ago
exactly. I took a trip to Eastern Germany back in '86 when the wall was still up. It was the grayest most depressing place i have ever seen in my life. soldiers pointed guns at you, the kgb tailed me the whole time, and nobody would talk to you for fear of being arrested. but hey thats socialism for you!
coverchenko 2 years ago
I can't imagine what it would look like and I hope I never see it happen to our country. I don't know what I would do. I guess I would move to Australia, but not with out fighting against it first.
CHardi1099 2 years ago
@coverchenko
Stalin wasn't Communist, his rule was everything but Communism and by the way jew scum, you should thank Stalin for voting to create you stupid sionist country, thanks to Stalin fo supporting such bullshit
Ubytsa89 2 years ago
thats nice. so your a facist anti capitalist. thats a new one.
coverchenko 2 years ago
"jew scum"
Wow, way to completely throw out any shred of dignity you might have been hiding in a corner some where. With supporters like you it is not very surprising that Communism has failed to do anything but lay waste to nations and starve tens of millions of innocents that could have lived healthy and productive lives (not to mention FREE) under capitalism.
Aliothemage 2 years ago
The capitalist system is not perfect. It's better than having a communist country. Notice all the communist always have something horrible to say about Capitalism but they never have anything horrible to say about their own country. This is because they are taught not to say anything bad about communism. Only in a Capitalist society do you have these freedoms. The fact that you anti-capitol have shit to say is because of the constitution. FYI you don't have a constitution in a communist society.
CHardi1099 2 years ago
I'm a communist, and I realize that throughout every communist country there was a red terror. I know about the millions upon millions of deaths it has caused. I know about the terrible pol pot regimes. However, I don't believe these examples to be true communism, which has yet to have been practiced. It's not the idea itself, but the people that used it as their carrot on the stick for control. However, capitalism is in it for the corporations, the filthy power striving rich, believe me, I've
Kipperx34 2 years ago
focused on the terrors of what a communist society has done, especially with the Soviet Union with the extermination of peasants and kulaks, not to mention the KGB "Gold Mines" that I could only imagine as a collectivization hell. However, perhaps you too should realize the problems with capitalism, all inequality is a product of it, it's why continents like Africa can never raise themselves from their situation. I'm a communist, and if I lived in a communist society in which there was no
Kipperx34 2 years ago
I can understand your point and I am glad to have amused the interest of a communist young one. No one knows for sure that you becoming socialist or communism, until the democracy fails to protect the constitutional rights of individuals.
CHardi1099 2 years ago
@Kipperx34
The USSR corrected th stalinist bloody mistakes, Khruschyov dismantled the GULAG System and aimed to coexist in peace with others. But yeah, mass killings was evil, and that isn't Socialism, Stalin misunderstood and didn't know about Sociaism
Ubytsa89 2 years ago
freedom of speech, I would stick up against it for the fact that it contradicts what it portrayed to the insightful workers that had given their lives in the name of overthrowing their oppressors. Perhaps it's because I'm only 15 years old that I have such a different perspective and didn't experience such things like the arms race within my own time that I'm not as opposed as you. Kudos for accepting the flaws of capitalism, however, I think you should consider egalitarian ideals.
Kipperx34 2 years ago
I laugh my ars off when I see anti-capitalism and Anarchist protesting.
"Oh no, your using free speech, to promote communism and socialism."
Such irony, it gets me every time.
I think all these people are watching way too much Michael Moore Documentaries.
CHardi1099 2 years ago
i like how these demonstrators speak so arrogantly against capitalism yet they wear designer clothes, expensive suits, and listen to their ipods.
coverchenko 2 years ago
LMAO.... good point!
CHardi1099 2 years ago
Without capitalism (and yes I mean perhaps socialism/communism in place of it), to try and gather that many people for this summit would be ridiculous. There would be no mass media to help organize, no planes to travel from one country to the next quickly, etc. communism does only look good on paper, but since people started developing standard currency's for their economies capitalism has existed, NOT socialism. If socialism worked why wouldn't we all be socialist already? capitalism does work
sffrickenidiot 2 years ago
in capitalism 1% of the world's population owns 40% of the world's resources. something is very wrong.
they say communism only looks good on paper, well so does capitalism!
the problem with capitalism is that it is based on people's responsibility but lets face it - the only responsibility capitalists have is to gain more money at any cost.
thanks.
DestroyerAlexandros 2 years ago
"people say communism only looks good on paper. WELL SO DOES CAPITALISM!"
left wing all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DestroyerAlexandros 2 years ago
my grandfathers family was shot by communist soldiers because they were jewish as were millions of other minorities that were on Stalin's hit list. yeah sure communsim works great! as long as your not a minority or speak against it.
coverchenko 2 years ago
dont forget that karl marx, the father of communism was jewish but he was an anti-semite and anti-zionist. but lenin and trotsky were no friend of jews but they were against discrimination against jews.
DestroyerAlexandros 2 years ago
that sure as hell didnt stop stalin from murdering millions of jews and ethnic minorities.
coverchenko 2 years ago
well if it wasnt for stalin the ussr would have been crushed. stalin was a STATESMAN and a leader. he was no philanthrophist. he had one goal - to make sure the soviets not only catch up with the western world but become STRONGER. and he was successful.
DestroyerAlexandros 2 years ago
LEFT WING, ANTI-CAPITALISTS
hope and wait
and remember - no man is more hopelessly enslaved than the man who falsely believes he is free
DestroyerAlexandros 2 years ago
Well at least they are here making a fuss not trying to hijack the environmentalist movement with their political ideological bullshit.
TheFluffyDuck 2 years ago
If you are too lazy to get up and work, don't blame capitalism. Blame the REAL problem. You.
Recessions have ALWAYS happened, and always will. Life is not fair. Survival of the fittest.
The rich get rewarded cause they have money and CAN reward THEMSELVES.
ShinigamiXV 2 years ago
Its fine if you want to revert back to socialism and become just like the soviet union but the USA is a free market country and it is going to stay that way. I am not going to have the goverment control me and god knows i dont want everywhere i go to be like the fucking DMV. if socialism comes here you are going to see the same march but with freedom wanting americans at the white house.
coverchenko 2 years ago
I hate you for keeping the balance. Shooting, all you stupid people can not think about anything else but shooting. Stupid sheep!
eydos 2 years ago
Why can't we have marches like this in the US??? March through Wall Street and scare the fuck out of those CEO's!
juliaisafilmbuff123 2 years ago 2
Fuckin NWO PROPAGANDA....GLOBAL SOCIALISM IS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO ASK FOR.
Aaghaal 2 years ago
Socialism works until the governments run out of other people's money. God knows, its working just great in Europe so far....
Drednots 2 years ago
the money goes back to the people not the government
katocollier 2 years ago
thats not true. Socialism is partially what got europe in the mess that its in, they are worse off than everyone else because of it. Socialism is a tool for bigger government, bigger government means more resources taken FROM the people. Its a form of Oligarchy. The government dictates what is available to the people, it no longer becomes their choice. Socialism has never made the world or nation better. Please get educated on the matter, research and look at history, it speaks volumes.
Shiftfallout 2 years ago
Are you retarded. You obviously know nothimg about politics other than what you hear on the tv. You sound like this is a black and white issue. Socialism is a vague term in which it can go in many different directions. Some directions work, some don't. People like you are the one's who autimatically think of Hitler when you hear socialism, which shows your ignorance of what socialism really is. Stop spreading your nonsense which you know absolutely nothing about.
GonzoTheGreat3000 2 years ago
socialism have made the scandinaviens countries better in terms of livingstandard
TyphorT38 2 years ago
You ever heard of the myth of scandinavian socialism? You should look it up. Many on the left like to tout that its full on socialism that works. This is a myth. The reasons a FEW scandinavian nations do well is due to their business, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, freedom from corruption, and labor freedom. Freedoms that dont exist in other nations. The US nor other countries in europe have those freedoms, some often illegal else where. (drugs, piracy, copyright..ect)
Shiftfallout 2 years ago
its bacause scandinavian countries have mixed-economy, i never said that we were 100% socialist, but we have socialist ellements that have realy helpt us. like socialised healtcare, education, Parental leave, Pension, Trade union, so if you combine capitalism whit restrictions that protect the workers you get a working model, not truly capitalistic and not truly socialistic, but working
TyphorT38 2 years ago
Social liberalism stands for a mixed economy, that doen´st mean your a socialist. A capitalistic world doen´st have to be a laissez-Faire kind of government, that is extreme capitalist. But socialism leads to the reduction of human freedom, something that has yet to happen in Scandinavia. So, it is a capitalistic countries but not of the laissez faire kind! But I think that beeing a multi-party government has also helped for your ascension.
Leonardo222005 2 years ago
I say this because here in Portugal Socialism has done nothing but counter-progress. We are now one of the slowest growing coutries in EU because of the very nacionalized economy.
Leonardo222005 2 years ago
i'm sorry that i know very little about socialism in portugal