Amasing play. Truly amazing. I wonder what the proper terran counter vs this will be in the future. If anyone knows a game where a terran beats this tac please tipp me off.
I wish Jaedong used queens more. If he infested that CC I would have cried in tears of laughter. It doesn't even look like Jaedong built more than one queen LOL.
It's just not infestation, in the savior era alot of zerg used queens in zvt just for getting rid of command centers. SC has fads in a way of props copying top pros of their era. Jaedong brought back 2 hatch for zerg in zvt when july was the only zerg doing that.
He just ripped him up with that Ensnare, repeatedly. Crazy to see a spell that never gets used suddenly devastate someone so completely that they lose.
It slows down your units alot even when they are stimmed. I'm not sure if it automatically comes with the Queen like infesting a command center the ability I mean.
No, actually you have to upgrade it at your Queen's nest, along with Spawn Broodling(Kill one enemy ground non robotic and create 2 broodling units) and Gamete Meiosis(+50 energy for your queens). The one it comes with initially is the Parasite skill, which gives you vision of the enemy unit you cast it on.
Ensnare slows down enemy and friendly units in the area to half their normal speed, and cuts their attack rate down by about 20% (not huge, but significant). It also reveals cloaked units while it's attached.
Energy: 75
Cost to research: 100/100
Time to research: 80 units (spells are 80, 100, or 120.)
Yes, Ensnare does cut attack rate, but 20% is not as noticeable because attack rates naturally vary slightly between each attack. You can test it yourself fairly easily though.
Start a single player game so you can use cheats. Then start a random melee map with a comp and set yourself to zerg. type in
"modify the phase variance"
"show me the money"
"food for thought"
"power overwhelming"
no quotes, for easy testing. get 2 groups of the same unit, and test on a building.
Just have a hydra attack a base for a while. If you have any rhythm, you'll notice it suddenly delays a bit longer than normal once in a while. It might be easiest to see when having 2 hydra attack at once, because it's random, so when one suddenly stops firing at the same time, that's evidence.
I'm not sure every unit has this issue, though. I notice it in the fast ones since they get a rhythm going =P.
I'm sure Ensnare lowers attack rate because I have tested it well myself. That's why I said "about 20%." In other words, you can combine them with acid spores from devourer.
And "modify the phase variance" allowed you to build anything without the requirements.
WOW! With all this bad/mediocre Zerg play I've been seeing lately (not that there are many Zerg players anyway), this game is definitely a breath of fresh air. Jaedong is a monster! Awesome game.
some pros did attempt bio build against P, but it really is useless as soon as templar comes out =/ unless the T can effectively use vessel to EMP high templars, nothing much u can do with bio except few harassment drops.
P doesn't really have to wait for the Templar Psionic Storm tech though, don't forget about reavers that absolutely incinerate bio builds. You're right, bio is useless in any TvP
He's back! That was BADASS. JD you beast you. He looks happy after the match, it was like a little something for the fans. But why not build a few queens? Pros need to think outside the box more. Fantasy's like "dang, I should have gone mech and had some goliaths. :)"
the fact that terrans are going mech more often now has nothing to do with the tvz metagame in the big picture. its just the current map pool makes it viable.
the proleague pits two teams against each other in best out of 3 set to accumulate wins during a season which lasts about a half year. at the end of a season there is a playoff between the top 6 teams kinda like the NBA season/playoffs. jaedong is playing the 4th game of the set in this video which is do or die for his team.
Seriously, SC has evolved QUITE awesomely in the past half a year or so.Valkyries were used competitively, now queens are being incorporated into very best player builds as well.That's simply brilliant.
Hey, i have a question. I like the video's very much but it is (for me) not easy to remember who is in what competition/ pool / tournament. Is there a site with a nice overview what is going on?
can some explain why jaedongs gas was late, shouldn't he do 12hat11pool10ex, it looked like a 17bag after 3rd hatch, is that standard, thanks in advance
it depends on what he wants to do: if he wants to pressure with early speedlings or some fast lair tech he should of course get it ASAP. but if he wants to play mor of a macro game and put down more hatcheries (which often is the zergs response to protoss FE) mining gas will slow his mineral income down.
Such style. He showed us the real power of zerg. I was always wondering why pro gamers dont use ensnare. And here you see, so efficient it can be. Proud to be a zerg fan :)
We're not comparing their skills or micro or anything simply the build order. If you go and watch Hyvaa's game you will see that this was almost the same BO that hyvaa used at the begining of his game. You know the begining where it actually worked and he demolished Flash's massive ball. So up to getting lurk/ling/queen(ensair) it was very similar, from there of course JD improved the build greatly.
Hell no, Hyvaa's build differs a lot. It's not like he goes Queen that's a build. Like going DT is Bisu build. Hell no, hell no. And it's weaker. It didnt demolished Flash's huge ball, it mad him retreat. With an iccup C ranked zerg micro abilitys you can flank a force which is slowened and is retreating trough a large open area. Hyvaa A-moved his forces and picked up less than half of it and had considerable unit loss too. He barely won that battle.
When queens get theory crafted restoration normally comes up and it is generally thought that it is a good idea to get and inexpensive enough to be a good investment as it can also be useful vs plague.
yea but wouldn't that eat all your energy? Usual ration is like 5:1 right in MnM plus isn't restore like 50 energy, they'd be absolutely drained. But thats just counter theory crafting, please let me know if I'm wrong
50 medic energy is a very good deal to have use of a Science Vessel again or to take off the effects of plague. Also medic energy comes back at a fast enough rate and often you have a surplus of medics after a battle due to all the dead marines.
cool like i commented in the 'heevo' game or whatever I'd like to see ensnare used in a game by someone with good enough micro to actually pick off the ensnared units...we def. saw that here...also jaedong didnt build a lot of useless queens in the lategame.
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Terrible Fing Commentary was Fing Terrible. I think it was Cholera? not sure which one. I know you saw the game already or at least know what happens but there is no reason for you to spoil what happens and make it blatently obvious that you've seen it. When you see an early Queennest there is no reason to think that the zerg player is going for queens... the first thing that anyone would think is a fast hive... that was truely disappointing. That aside I loved this game!
I'm truly sorry you lack Cholera's clairvoyance. I didn't see queens coming either, but I did see Flash vs Hiva, and if Hiva had transitioned into defilers earlier, and if he didn't have awful swarms, then he could have won that game. If you go back and watch that game, maybe you'll have an idea why Cholera would predict queens in this game.
Great commentaries Moletrap and Cholera, keep up the awesome work. Moletrap, get well soon.
Also, its safe to say that Jaedong has the best queen micro.
I had already seen this game without english commentary and when he said queens I stupidly just thought he had seen the game already.
Cholora I am very sorry for my comment above. I went and watched the Hyva game as everyone said and what Jaedong did was nearly the exact same build to start with and can clearly see that Cholora's comments were simply great to be able to see what Jaedong was doing.
So again Sorry about that. The overall commentary was very good guys.
DArchons have been used as well...I've seen great mass maelstrom games vs zerg as well as maelstrom/storming and even mass DA and mind control (think its a pimpest play or something).
I never understood why queens didn't get used. You need a Queens nest for hive. These guys are going to tell me they couldnt possibly spend minerals to buy ONE queen, when they are willing to throw away dozens and dozens of lings.
Ensnareing science vessles would make scourging them easy, and the synergy of Ensnare/Swarm is probably the most obvious one in the game, yet no one uses it.
It would take a lot of tech and resources to get den, queens, spire and enough scourge to get past the marines early game. Dropships would as well but it's one straight tech tree and you don't have to branch off. Dropships are typically always helpful anyways for utility.
Maybe we might see a resurgence in wraith play against queens and lurkers.
he had a spire.. and had he seen dropships he would have made scourge and positioned them around his main to intercept i agree that dropships are a good way to go but against someone like jaedong you really need to D-matrix them boxer style to make them work
as for wraiths i hope you are right because i love to watch wraith micro especially boxers the only thing is its easy to counter wraiths with a few spores and a few scourge if its expected so it cant get too common
its done a variety of ways some teams sponsor events to scout new players some are people the team trains with online anyone that is good enough can be sponsored its just a matter of where the talent scout notices them and whether they think the person is worth the investment
epic, it woulda been perfect to ahve an infested command center, much les queens, this makes oyu wonder why they aren't used more often, this is literally the first time i've ever seen it in a progame
i thought about it all the time! why don't zerg use queen more, especially against protoss, too, with their ht. u take ur queen + army, and just before u engage the protoss + ht army, u snipe the ht. bam, no more psi storms. u win GG!!
I never really understood why ensnare + swarm wasn't used more often. I mean, I'm sure there's a reason zergs virtually never use queens (except perhaps alongside devourers late game against like 5-gate sairs), but I don't know what it is. I've heard they are "micro-inefficient," which I suppose would imply that a micro god like Jae Dong should be able to make them worthwhile.
I think its a combination of the fact that they are high on the tech tree, costly, weak to fire, and their spells are not instant meaning that if you kill the queen while its ensnare shot is in the air the ensnare does not go off when it hits.
also queens are like templar rather then defilers in that they have to wait for the energy to cast their spells and as the spells can be misused/wasted very easily they can cost you the game when you factor in that you not only used the larva/resources for the queen but also the ensnare upgrade and the time used to wait for the energy (which may net you nothing but a face-palm)
if they had consume even upgradable consume they would be played ALOT more
I think the "hidden Engineering Bay" is supposed to a spotter, like how Protoss put pylons around the map, or zerg burrow zerglings. In this case, he was using it to see incoming mutalisks. Didn't really matter since Jaedong never made a single mutalisk.
queens are used in ZvP against the corsair/reaver/carrier build to ensnare the huge air armies of the protoss for devourers, hydras and scourge to rip into
Just like fantasy's mech vs terran i think we're really seeing some innovation recently. How about that for a 10yr old game? Usefulness of the queen in this game really makes you wonder why noone (with apm) came up with it before...
This is what starcraft pro gaming is all about.Thank you so much for doing english dubing on this game, that was totaly fantazy game :) gogo starcraft
12:00 lol the "clock hit the big 12" like midnight ... my god 10 seconds and it was over xDD
R4Akai 1 month ago
Coach's hair at 4:54.
envyops 2 months ago
9:10
>Om nom nom, yeah, that build sucks.
lmao <3
headkraber 6 months ago in playlist starcraft
케스파랭킹 1위란놈이 개당황하면 지플레이 하도 몬하네 케스파1위 이름이 아까운놈이다
qkfodud 9 months ago
Game start at 1:23
rjlas7 1 year ago 5
Watching this after sc2 comes out makes me sad I want more sc1
runehunt 1 year ago 4
Holy shit that' was an awesome game.
MaskedEmrys 1 year ago 2
6:20 secret supply depots
LOL
bowm0 2 years ago 2
This is so awesome!
ameryllw 2 years ago
Amasing play. Truly amazing. I wonder what the proper terran counter vs this will be in the future. If anyone knows a game where a terran beats this tac please tipp me off.
Fireeyes91 2 years ago
@Fireeyes91 vultures and tanks.
chiruzbg 2 days ago
11:47
cocacolamandan 2 years ago
Mutalisks into fast hive into losing.
<3 Cholera.
Dubanx 2 years ago
kid screaming not cool
skybreakterran 2 years ago 5
lmao secret bay...
build position saves at least 30 seconds worth of floating for information gathering.
darkjeshush 2 years ago
I wish Jaedong used queens more. If he infested that CC I would have cried in tears of laughter. It doesn't even look like Jaedong built more than one queen LOL.
Teczer0 2 years ago 18
It's just not infestation, in the savior era alot of zerg used queens in zvt just for getting rid of command centers. SC has fads in a way of props copying top pros of their era. Jaedong brought back 2 hatch for zerg in zvt when july was the only zerg doing that.
IzzyCraft 2 years ago 3
Fantasy looks like boxer
imNaaRa 2 years ago 3
Great early scout block by Fantasy
But Ensnare totally owned him
go123452 2 years ago 7
jaedong's hot
darrens888 2 years ago 5
Nice game.
Nice Jaedong-hairdo :)
Chrijz 2 years ago
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iMPERiOUS 2 years ago
is it me or does fantasy look a little like boxer?
luckduck32167 3 years ago 5
Wow ...
Spoiler:
He just ripped him up with that Ensnare, repeatedly. Crazy to see a spell that never gets used suddenly devastate someone so completely that they lose.
Riovanes0 3 years ago 3
wow i forgot th sound of moletraps voice, its been a long time
iilikefeet 3 years ago
NICE!
Schmidt54 3 years ago
what exactly does ensnare do?
fatshadow92 3 years ago
It slows down your units alot even when they are stimmed. I'm not sure if it automatically comes with the Queen like infesting a command center the ability I mean.
JohnnyExtremer 3 years ago
No, actually you have to upgrade it at your Queen's nest, along with Spawn Broodling(Kill one enemy ground non robotic and create 2 broodling units) and Gamete Meiosis(+50 energy for your queens). The one it comes with initially is the Parasite skill, which gives you vision of the enemy unit you cast it on.
Yolastresort 3 years ago 3
And also makes cloaked units visible as well. Plague have the same effect, so does acid spores in air.
gswzero 3 years ago
@fatshadow92:
Ensnare slows down enemy and friendly units in the area to half their normal speed, and cuts their attack rate down by about 20% (not huge, but significant). It also reveals cloaked units while it's attached.
Energy: 75
Cost to research: 100/100
Time to research: 80 units (spells are 80, 100, or 120.)
StrikerX228 3 years ago
wow i didnt knew it cuts attack rate, you sure about that???
Mendelevium146 2 years ago
@ Mendelevium146:
Yes, Ensnare does cut attack rate, but 20% is not as noticeable because attack rates naturally vary slightly between each attack. You can test it yourself fairly easily though.
Start a single player game so you can use cheats. Then start a random melee map with a comp and set yourself to zerg. type in
"modify the phase variance"
"show me the money"
"food for thought"
"power overwhelming"
no quotes, for easy testing. get 2 groups of the same unit, and test on a building.
StrikerX228 2 years ago 2
cool, but how does "attack rates naturally vary slightly between each attack"? 0.o
Mendelevium146 2 years ago 2
@Mendelevium146:
Just have a hydra attack a base for a while. If you have any rhythm, you'll notice it suddenly delays a bit longer than normal once in a while. It might be easiest to see when having 2 hydra attack at once, because it's random, so when one suddenly stops firing at the same time, that's evidence.
I'm not sure every unit has this issue, though. I notice it in the fast ones since they get a rhythm going =P.
StrikerX228 2 years ago 2
wha does modify phase variance do???
xxxCRAZYLOVExxx 2 years ago
wait?? wasnt the devourer acid the only thing that slowed attack rate?? are u sure ensnare slows down attack rate??
xxxCRAZYLOVExxx 2 years ago
@xxxCRAZYLOVExxx:
I'm sure Ensnare lowers attack rate because I have tested it well myself. That's why I said "about 20%." In other words, you can combine them with acid spores from devourer.
And "modify the phase variance" allowed you to build anything without the requirements.
StrikerX228 2 years ago
fucking awesome scout block
DnllnGproductions 3 years ago
Pimp. Thanks guys!
haguremetaru 3 years ago
you can hear cholera eating :p
k4y0h 3 years ago 3
jaedong says:
"all ur base belongz to me"
HwarangOfFaith 3 years ago
Jaedong just took the game to the next level =D
bluecocoa7 3 years ago 23
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ImportantMessage0003 3 years ago
That was a total domination. I expected a much closer game than that.
ailst 3 years ago
epic, nice commentary too.
gnomeknowsbest 3 years ago 3
WOW! With all this bad/mediocre Zerg play I've been seeing lately (not that there are many Zerg players anyway), this game is definitely a breath of fresh air. Jaedong is a monster! Awesome game.
soulhunger1 3 years ago 10
Very impressive win by Jaedong... (about time too for Zerg!)
Nexx 3 years ago 9
lurker queens is the perfect stratagy against medic marines especially with defilers and cracklings
xantares13 3 years ago 2
The Jaedong Build!
Sonix21 3 years ago 4
also known as
the hyvva (or was it hyyva?) build done right xD
aznanimedude 3 years ago
Stop teching at spire? xD
MageKirby 2 years ago
noooo! i want infested cc.....!!!!!
ClearskyYCY 3 years ago 10
First people thought TvZ mech couldn't become standardized. They were wrong.
Then people thought Zerg Queens could never become useful in a serious pro-match. They were wrong.
The only thing the Pro-Starcraft scene is missing now is an effective TvP bio build. ^_^
daskidmore 3 years ago
u'll need to w8 for SC2 for a TvP late game bio build ;)
9sinnerYTB 3 years ago
some pros did attempt bio build against P, but it really is useless as soon as templar comes out =/ unless the T can effectively use vessel to EMP high templars, nothing much u can do with bio except few harassment drops.
HwarangOfFaith 3 years ago
P doesn't really have to wait for the Templar Psionic Storm tech though, don't forget about reavers that absolutely incinerate bio builds. You're right, bio is useless in any TvP
Yolastresort 3 years ago
first of all ,where can i see the fight of fantasy using valkyries, and where waht match up was mech used vs Z??????
and btw bio buld would be ''impossible''
xxxCRAZYLOVExxx 2 years ago
@xxxCRAZYLOVExxx
mech vs Z:
ForGG v Hyuk @ Set 2 Lecaf v SKT1
Sectorsophia 2 years ago
@xxxCRAZYLOVExxx
try the finals osl
jaedong vs fantasy game 1
barbahaba 2 years ago
Jaedong did the impossible. He made Queens look sexy.
RaiKageRyu 3 years ago 5
He's back! That was BADASS. JD you beast you. He looks happy after the match, it was like a little something for the fans. But why not build a few queens? Pros need to think outside the box more. Fantasy's like "dang, I should have gone mech and had some goliaths. :)"
stevethemacguy 3 years ago
awesome ensnares
KiNPiN1835 3 years ago 2
i always use queens, wth is wrong with it? why doesn't any1 use them
theegg89 3 years ago 3
..fast hive into.. losing.
LOL
banzaijoe76 3 years ago 2
the fact that terrans are going mech more often now has nothing to do with the tvz metagame in the big picture. its just the current map pool makes it viable.
db158 3 years ago
The map pool is part of the metagame. As the maps change the strategies change, this is fact.
daskidmore 3 years ago
awesome
lazomaniac 3 years ago
Once Much perfects the use of scouts all units will be useful in pro starcraft.
EvanSisson 3 years ago 3
noooooooooooooooooooo
i wanted to see some infested terrains....
noooooooooooo
98989898787878 3 years ago 3
ok... that ensare - PIMPEST PLAY. period. that was epic.
mrsmi1ey 3 years ago
What tournament is this?
EpicFaiIGuy 3 years ago
the proleague pits two teams against each other in best out of 3 set to accumulate wins during a season which lasts about a half year. at the end of a season there is a playoff between the top 6 teams kinda like the NBA season/playoffs. jaedong is playing the 4th game of the set in this video which is do or die for his team.
dkjh902 3 years ago 2
Seriously, SC has evolved QUITE awesomely in the past half a year or so.Valkyries were used competitively, now queens are being incorporated into very best player builds as well.That's simply brilliant.
ModeLTU 3 years ago 3
wow queens ftw
fiftycalibur 3 years ago
do medics also heal slower from ensnare?
dkjh902 3 years ago
Nope.
Wakkajakka 3 years ago
GO JEADONG! ZERG SWARM FTW!
megadethqc 3 years ago
BTW, after this game, in the replay they showed that jaedong indeed had 2 Queens.
ijuka 3 years ago 2
12:00 is CRAZY
velociper 3 years ago 3
YEAH, 12:00 was simply brutal, yet beautiful.
megadethqc 3 years ago
Hey, i have a question. I like the video's very much but it is (for me) not easy to remember who is in what competition/ pool / tournament. Is there a site with a nice overview what is going on?
Please reply me.
Greets from the Netherlands
HlbertH
HlbertH 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure Cholera did a couple of video for people new to Starcraft. You should go watch them on his channel.
megadethqc 3 years ago
can some explain why jaedongs gas was late, shouldn't he do 12hat11pool10ex, it looked like a 17bag after 3rd hatch, is that standard, thanks in advance
needsmorsleep 3 years ago
it depends on what he wants to do: if he wants to pressure with early speedlings or some fast lair tech he should of course get it ASAP. but if he wants to play mor of a macro game and put down more hatcheries (which often is the zergs response to protoss FE) mining gas will slow his mineral income down.
spasmomat 3 years ago
Such style. He showed us the real power of zerg. I was always wondering why pro gamers dont use ensnare. And here you see, so efficient it can be. Proud to be a zerg fan :)
Tillysouth 3 years ago
bow down to the true pimp!
dondiablo 3 years ago
GREAT build so entertaining!@!!@!@
kekekwon 3 years ago 3
08:43 he uses 2 lings to attack the turret to make it seem like he's actually going mutalisks.
The level at which these progamers are at are just out of this world. Jaedong is so subtle and intricate in his strategies...JD ftw.
aDnEgVeIlL87 3 years ago 4
Pimp =)
YTsr 3 years ago 2
Wow, that was amazing. I'm looking forward to seeing this every couple of months, rarely enough for people not to expect it. :)
Stormwern 3 years ago 3
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Hyvaa sucks. Hyvaa's build wasnt good. Hyvaa's micro is awful. Calling this build and this playstyle hyvaa-like is blesphamy
Georionsc 3 years ago
We're not comparing their skills or micro or anything simply the build order. If you go and watch Hyvaa's game you will see that this was almost the same BO that hyvaa used at the begining of his game. You know the begining where it actually worked and he demolished Flash's massive ball. So up to getting lurk/ling/queen(ensair) it was very similar, from there of course JD improved the build greatly.
twinesper 3 years ago 2
Hell no, Hyvaa's build differs a lot. It's not like he goes Queen that's a build. Like going DT is Bisu build. Hell no, hell no. And it's weaker. It didnt demolished Flash's huge ball, it mad him retreat. With an iccup C ranked zerg micro abilitys you can flank a force which is slowened and is retreating trough a large open area. Hyvaa A-moved his forces and picked up less than half of it and had considerable unit loss too. He barely won that battle.
Georionsc 3 years ago
eh, hyvaa went for double queen into ultra, jaedong went for simultaneous queen + defiler, which is evidently much stronger.
talismania 3 years ago
did anyone ever think to get restoration for parasited vessels? lol
HatchumoSC 3 years ago
FBH used restoration on his BCs against Savior
Georionsc 3 years ago
When queens get theory crafted restoration normally comes up and it is generally thought that it is a good idea to get and inexpensive enough to be a good investment as it can also be useful vs plague.
twinesper 3 years ago
yea but wouldn't that eat all your energy? Usual ration is like 5:1 right in MnM plus isn't restore like 50 energy, they'd be absolutely drained. But thats just counter theory crafting, please let me know if I'm wrong
needsmorsleep 3 years ago
50 medic energy is a very good deal to have use of a Science Vessel again or to take off the effects of plague. Also medic energy comes back at a fast enough rate and often you have a surplus of medics after a battle due to all the dead marines.
twinesper 3 years ago
good enough for me, if I ever get into this situation on iccup I'll use it and tell you how it went
needsmorsleep 3 years ago
good luck
after these recent JD matches I'm sure there'll be plently of people on iccup trying out queens
but you have to decide when it's important to use the restore
I would say at least to get rid of parasite (then it's your call to use it to get rid of plague or ensnare)
twinesper 3 years ago
cool like i commented in the 'heevo' game or whatever I'd like to see ensnare used in a game by someone with good enough micro to actually pick off the ensnared units...we def. saw that here...also jaedong didnt build a lot of useless queens in the lategame.
zeejustin6 3 years ago
wowzers amazing amazing game, very entertaining.
... oh and this commentary needs MOAR MOLETRAP.
PenguinMAIL 3 years ago
Great game.
Slaphappy1975 3 years ago
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Terrible Fing Commentary was Fing Terrible. I think it was Cholera? not sure which one. I know you saw the game already or at least know what happens but there is no reason for you to spoil what happens and make it blatently obvious that you've seen it. When you see an early Queennest there is no reason to think that the zerg player is going for queens... the first thing that anyone would think is a fast hive... that was truely disappointing. That aside I loved this game!
twinesper 3 years ago
I can guarantee you that I didn't see this game before.
CholeraSC 3 years ago 10
uhhh except for the fact you're ignoring that he referenced a previous game where queens were used with a similar build.
zeejustin6 3 years ago
I'm truly sorry you lack Cholera's clairvoyance. I didn't see queens coming either, but I did see Flash vs Hiva, and if Hiva had transitioned into defilers earlier, and if he didn't have awful swarms, then he could have won that game. If you go back and watch that game, maybe you'll have an idea why Cholera would predict queens in this game.
Great commentaries Moletrap and Cholera, keep up the awesome work. Moletrap, get well soon.
Also, its safe to say that Jaedong has the best queen micro.
CrespiCreme 3 years ago
hmm, that previous comment was supposed to be a reply to a hater. *shakes fist at youtube*
CrespiCreme 3 years ago
I had already seen this game without english commentary and when he said queens I stupidly just thought he had seen the game already.
Cholora I am very sorry for my comment above. I went and watched the Hyva game as everyone said and what Jaedong did was nearly the exact same build to start with and can clearly see that Cholora's comments were simply great to be able to see what Jaedong was doing.
So again Sorry about that. The overall commentary was very good guys.
twinesper 3 years ago 7
God I love him so
petenerk 3 years ago
the winner is now one of my favorite players hahahaha... sweet game
kreeshanman 3 years ago
Yah! Jaedong, thank you for using Queens!
Now that Valkyries and Queens have been used on the pro level, its time for Dark Archons!
BruceYammosk 3 years ago
SCOUT FTW!!!
MoparDRVR 3 years ago
No! it's time for scouts! :)
Hyounaga 3 years ago
DArchons have been used as well...I've seen great mass maelstrom games vs zerg as well as maelstrom/storming and even mass DA and mind control (think its a pimpest play or something).
zeejustin6 3 years ago
ohhh man reach vs Chojjah beautiful maelstrom it was a must win game for reach made me scream in my chair.
JOEMAMA5905 3 years ago
I never understood why queens didn't get used. You need a Queens nest for hive. These guys are going to tell me they couldnt possibly spend minerals to buy ONE queen, when they are willing to throw away dozens and dozens of lings.
Ensnareing science vessles would make scourging them easy, and the synergy of Ensnare/Swarm is probably the most obvious one in the game, yet no one uses it.
Zeabos 3 years ago
Yea I always wondered that myself. Its the perfect support unit for cracklings and lurkers.
PremusRed 3 years ago
i miss diggity :(
nathones 3 years ago
The winner played SO good! This game was a delight to watch. It was mastery.
MrJoeSmith2 3 years ago
jaedong is effing badass
dkjh902 3 years ago
jaedong u monster, u rock, man
naranja18she 3 years ago
whats mech?
Maplebangeek 3 years ago
Terran mechanical units. Vultures, tanks, goliaths, stuff like that
YeffsArentReal 3 years ago
thx
Maplebangeek 3 years ago
I think terran need to go dropships against lurkers if your opponent goes queens like this.
cataphracts123 3 years ago
scourge makes that tough not to mention you need to get sci-vessles from your ports too
thundasc 3 years ago
It would take a lot of tech and resources to get den, queens, spire and enough scourge to get past the marines early game. Dropships would as well but it's one straight tech tree and you don't have to branch off. Dropships are typically always helpful anyways for utility.
Maybe we might see a resurgence in wraith play against queens and lurkers.
cataphracts123 3 years ago
he had a spire.. and had he seen dropships he would have made scourge and positioned them around his main to intercept i agree that dropships are a good way to go but against someone like jaedong you really need to D-matrix them boxer style to make them work
as for wraiths i hope you are right because i love to watch wraith micro especially boxers the only thing is its easy to counter wraiths with a few spores and a few scourge if its expected so it cant get too common
thundasc 3 years ago
How are players selected for the teams? Are they "drafted" and have a contract?
Mpower277 3 years ago
It's all done by penis size and nostril width these days^^lol
HumanStrategy 3 years ago
its done a variety of ways some teams sponsor events to scout new players some are people the team trains with online anyone that is good enough can be sponsored its just a matter of where the talent scout notices them and whether they think the person is worth the investment
thundasc 3 years ago
lol 16:50 stacked lurks XP
Jaedong + Royalty = pwnage
shoutenry 3 years ago
epic, it woulda been perfect to ahve an infested command center, much les queens, this makes oyu wonder why they aren't used more often, this is literally the first time i've ever seen it in a progame
aznanimedude 3 years ago
This game is definitely worth watching the lack-luster games before it.
consafos 3 years ago
Wow... very nice game.
Repression 3 years ago
11:55 Pimpest Play.
experimentjon 3 years ago
that was a "kick ass game" i would say i would also say almost a ppl to :P
inuyashathepker 3 years ago
Sick game looking forward for more queens usage
FHsDrakk 3 years ago
i thought about it all the time! why don't zerg use queen more, especially against protoss, too, with their ht. u take ur queen + army, and just before u engage the protoss + ht army, u snipe the ht. bam, no more psi storms. u win GG!!
hyjack 3 years ago
you need a lot of queens to snipe those ht's.
Faronl12 3 years ago
not to mention the upgrade for spawn broodling AND the 150 energy it costs takes some time to accumulate
thundasc 3 years ago
hahahahaha that's not a build that's Savior Losing
caelumarisen 3 years ago 3
i like how they didnt show that jaedong didn't have a queen until the last minute
and it woulda been nice to see some infested terrans for once hahaha
Psyduc16 3 years ago
lol nice queen usage
OnmyRedEye 3 years ago
I never really understood why ensnare + swarm wasn't used more often. I mean, I'm sure there's a reason zergs virtually never use queens (except perhaps alongside devourers late game against like 5-gate sairs), but I don't know what it is. I've heard they are "micro-inefficient," which I suppose would imply that a micro god like Jae Dong should be able to make them worthwhile.
EebstertheGreat 3 years ago
I think its a combination of the fact that they are high on the tech tree, costly, weak to fire, and their spells are not instant meaning that if you kill the queen while its ensnare shot is in the air the ensnare does not go off when it hits.
Spasticinformation 3 years ago
also queens are like templar rather then defilers in that they have to wait for the energy to cast their spells and as the spells can be misused/wasted very easily they can cost you the game when you factor in that you not only used the larva/resources for the queen but also the ensnare upgrade and the time used to wait for the energy (which may net you nothing but a face-palm)
if they had consume even upgradable consume they would be played ALOT more
thundasc 3 years ago
Awesome Queen use.
I think the "hidden Engineering Bay" is supposed to a spotter, like how Protoss put pylons around the map, or zerg burrow zerglings. In this case, he was using it to see incoming mutalisks. Didn't really matter since Jaedong never made a single mutalisk.
Kamikazi101 3 years ago 5
the new BUILD OF ZERG o shit
coolnoobb 3 years ago
savior does loves his defilers.
lowfatfishsticks 3 years ago
I wanna see queenz in zvp or something. brood some reavers or something.
infectioushobo 3 years ago
rofl
reavers can't be brooded
Psyduc16 3 years ago
you can't broodling reavers, sadly.
LAWIRE 3 years ago
queens are used in ZvP against the corsair/reaver/carrier build to ensnare the huge air armies of the protoss for devourers, hydras and scourge to rip into
thundasc 3 years ago 2
This MUST go into the Pimpest plays of all time !!!!
cristimilitaur 3 years ago
great build though
NETMR2 3 years ago
"two base mutalisks..into fast hive..into losing"..lol epic
devaspark 3 years ago
ABOUT time diggity :P
Alexsteen 3 years ago
best match ever
SquaredRooted 3 years ago
how old is this game...looks very familiar
NETMR2 3 years ago
Played 12/23/2008
It's in the freakin' video description buddy.
*sigh*.
Please tell me that wasn't a serious question.
TelicNotionX 3 years ago
more hypothetical then anything
NETMR2 3 years ago
was played last week i think.
lowfatfishsticks 3 years ago
awesome build...
Just like fantasy's mech vs terran i think we're really seeing some innovation recently. How about that for a 10yr old game? Usefulness of the queen in this game really makes you wonder why noone (with apm) came up with it before...
thanks a lot guys!
aseq2 3 years ago 2
That was epic, excellent use of Queens and Lurkers to pwn Fantasy's Medic-Marine build.
Dmann0110 3 years ago
This is what starcraft pro gaming is all about.Thank you so much for doing english dubing on this game, that was totaly fantazy game :) gogo starcraft
toaster939 3 years ago
Ensnare!
lupu1001 3 years ago
"that is *not* a real spire, that is..."
"..fast hive into losing" lol
i straight came at 11:50
good commentary gents to a great game and i'm not sure if jaedong just became my favorite player
thepathablaze 3 years ago 2
Wow really awesome game. I didn't expect anything lik