Nice mellow music by 2 very talented gents.This music tends to make an average music listener frustrated do to the lack of common rhythm but for a musician this is thinking music but like all genre's it has a time and place depending on your mood.
two fabulous artists in an equally fabulous version of this standard .. my idol Herbie Hancock at its best, every his harmonic choice frees the mind and soul
you can't really say anything about anyone, but there is something about herbie that no one else has. not to put anyone down. he is playing in a newer realm, ever expanding. he has a freedom and ease that is enchanting. he has class that no other musician on the planet can possibly hold a candle to. there is a magic there on the level of miles...and it just keeps getting better...the newer stuff is unbelievable...
they all have that touch, but herbie is in a league of his own. tatum is incredible, but it sounds more speed for speed's sake after a while. oscar has incredible depth, but can be a bit much at times. bill might have had the most intimate touch of anyone, but it begins to sound the same...not that that is a bad thing... herbie has all of that, with a reserve and capacity to surprise that no one else in history can be considered on par with...and endless creativity...look at his output...
I love both these musicians, but to quote my theory teacher, 'Herbie needed somebody like Miles Davis to keep him in his place'. There's no better playing of his than in his Miles days. If I were him and I could play all that fancy shit I'd prolly do it too, but it's so full!
This video is very fine - beautiful texture, but give a listen to McLaughlin's disc "Time Remembered"; JM stays a bit more....inside the lines, so to speak. It's a brilliant tribute to Bill Evans, yet stands on its own.
@AZIARGROUS hes playing on the clean channel actually. but John is using his guitar with a computer here,so the signal goes straight to the computer and then I guess to the speakers, not a regular amp. you can tell its not an amp tone. he also plays that way with remember Shakti.checl him out, the sound is the same.
While I truly love JM, I wish he'd turn off the chorus unit...just ONCE in a while...and play more than three notes in a row without using the Bigsby.
But hey...he's the artist. It's how he hears it. He can do what he wants.
jm definately has some awesome tone, but i think he had the best tone during his mahavishnu orchestra days, that stuff was so raw and loud!! i aspire to have tone like that someday
i agree with you how his musical maturity has improved, but eh its just my opinion with the tone thing i guess. im into more of the early fusion stuff and i think that jm's distorted tone on the first couple of mo albums was top notch. i like pat methenys tone though, that reminds me of jm's tone on this video
No competition,or comparison.Eric J. is a fine player,and all but for a piece like this John is a great Comp. player for Herbie.John is a great comp.player for alot of piano players.Herbie is a players player,to say the least.
If you look back,John used a Gibson Hummingbird for work with Tony William's Lifetime,and in his first solo album.Using that on Miles Davis "Silent Way" in 1969,as well
Huh, I guess I associate him most with his Les Paul and the double neck rainbow from MO days, as well as his acoustic from shakti. Makes sense though, he is a jazz guy after all
He always has been Jazz,and usually takes a style to the Nth degree! You need to check out his latest release out soon called "For The One",another dedication to John Coltrane.John reach is still far for this stratospheric level.
i think herbie is very pissed of.. he hits the yamaha straight through the floor! john is somewhere else haha john is amazing.. so is herbie.. those cats always are
hmmm... a lot of this guitar stuff sounds like vapid elevator music to me tho. guess i'm still not old enough. on a cruise ship with a shit load of coke and gallons of gin could be good.
An absolute classic tune. I'm a JM disciple, but I think the Art Friedman Trio's version of this song is the best I've heard. Find it if you can. Michael Pattituci on bass. Wonderful languid pace.
On a second listen, the thought occurred to me that neither Herbie or John (both of whom I worship), really have the tune itself in mind in their improvisations. Bill Evans always maintained that no matter how far out he got in his solos, it was always about working within the structure of the tune and with respect to the tune. Herbie's solos mostly consist of his characteristic licks that don't at all arise from "Turn Out the Stars" interspersed with melodic segments from the tune itself.
This is so tasteful. However, I must say that it doesn't even rival the composer's, Bill Evans', recordings of this tune. That doesn't take away from this recording, but some of the licks that Herbie plays don't seem to be at all in accordance with Bill's conception of this tune.
Unbelievable! 2 masters at work here. JM has grown so much since the MO days. This one brought tears to my eyes, just beautiful, makes me want to quit playing....
Chick Corea's "Hymn Of The 7th Galaxy", Larry Coryell's "11th House", Chick Corea "Circle", anything by Gary Burton...lately I'm having a love affair with Ornette Colman and Art Tatum...there are so many greats!
Herbie,as always has a graceful touch and is a wonderful acoustic player.And John is a master at comping,and playing over the changes.He's been bashed about the soft tone,or not the right one in this type of context.Tone can be changed...a matter of choice.
No big issue, people are just giving personal opinions on John because of his sound. John McLaughlin is a master guitarist but listen to him with Herbie. Honestly....
I think they both played together very well, I just didnt like Johns tone on that beautiful guitar of his. His playing was great though. (acoustic piano & chorus guitar) :(
y'all leave them alone...and innovate something of your own.
that's what's killing this music...people thinking that they have to sound like something from the past to make thier story relevant, to make it "jazz".
go listen to a tribute album if that's what youre looking for.
@jinalanguniafrika Agreed. The musical mentality has de evolved so much on the whole in America, hasn't it? How could anyone not like this? Or at least appreciate it? I've heard John at his best B4, but I have to admit, I haven't heard HH play lke this B4. NOw I see why he is considered one of the greats. :-) He's fantastic!!!!
He´s definetly not like a trad jazz guitarist really. Here i feel like he´s out of his comfort zone...For me he doesn´t hold a melody well his comping isnt vey interesting either...however soloing he´s fine always. Bit of a nasty chorus tone for me but hey who am i to say. Imagine benson on this though you know it would be better
Listening to Herbie sounds like walking through mud. Benson would have more trad jazz set piece phrases, thats not Mclaughlins approach. But this is beautiful and as always far more imaginitive and with far superior time than Benson.
I feel you bro! Forget these idiots that are hatin on your post! Even rockers and shredders are getting away from effects these days and are going for the organic sound of guitar straight into the amp. The effects are just cheesy and sound dated! But Johnny Mac never did have a tone that was worth shit anyway!
Don't see the big deal? Well, you may need to do a little research; Yes, I would say that JM is a jazz guitarist, but also has a pretty broad scope of influences. He is acknowledged pioneer of fusion, played on Bitches Brew, was the founder of Mahavishnu - has written and performed his own classical concerto...need I continue?
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John McLaughlin has technical greatness. I would say he's sort of a jazz guitarist. Other than speed and some things that sound other-world to most people who are ignorant of Indian classical music, I don't see the big deal. Really.
This could be very historical performance, however to me, Herbie was getting in a way for John to develop his solo and I wonder why Herbie was playing so busy behind John since we all know that how great pianist Herbie is, so there was no need for him to prove that unless he was kind of obsessed with unnecessary ego at a moment instead of creating music together with John. I see kind of disappointing musicianship of Herbie here. It is not any kind of interplay how Bill and Jim created together.
I am a huge John McLaughlin fan but I really didn't enjoy John's playing here. He's repeating the same runs he was using a lot during that period and the sound didn't mesh well with the piano. Herbie was flawless.
I think exactly the opposite-it's Herbie that didn't play with John,even interrupted him in the middle of his solo instead of supporting him.John played as good as usual,it's just that you need two to tango :-)
I agree with you. We all forget our manners sometimes and I think Herbie got a little carried away. John did not fight it and I thought that was good!
It's so wonderful to hear Herbie and John in this context. The voicings are interesting and perfect for this mood. It's understated but so deep and profound. It's real jazz. The other side of McLaughlin and Herbie.
what the FUCK?
FunkMan53 1 month ago
Wonderful!!!
andrewyka 6 months ago
Nice mellow music by 2 very talented gents.This music tends to make an average music listener frustrated do to the lack of common rhythm but for a musician this is thinking music but like all genre's it has a time and place depending on your mood.
blitzspeer 7 months ago
yesssss
rukussert 8 months ago
yesssss
rukussert 8 months ago
two fabulous artists in an equally fabulous version of this standard .. my idol Herbie Hancock at its best, every his harmonic choice frees the mind and soul
AlessandroFortarel 9 months ago
OMG!!!!!! What a STUNNING performance!!!!
Paiste2002100 10 months ago
can someone help me pick up my medulla oblongata cuz i think my brains are splattered against the wall
bce5150 10 months ago
where is this happening? and when?
SuzanaLascu 10 months ago
BodhiSvaha- Thanks for your considered comments. Can't really disagree. Herbie is a gem...Carry on !
dorian411 1 year ago
Awe inspiring. I'm left breathless by this performance.
One of the few times I HAVE to post....
thanks for putting it out there pix
wynnegum1 1 year ago
here are a few songs to check out
footprints live
chan's song
edith and the kingpin
tea leaf prophecy
all-star set
show me one song with more depth than those...
BodhiSvaha 1 year ago
you can't really say anything about anyone, but there is something about herbie that no one else has. not to put anyone down. he is playing in a newer realm, ever expanding. he has a freedom and ease that is enchanting. he has class that no other musician on the planet can possibly hold a candle to. there is a magic there on the level of miles...and it just keeps getting better...the newer stuff is unbelievable...
BodhiSvaha 1 year ago
they all have that touch, but herbie is in a league of his own. tatum is incredible, but it sounds more speed for speed's sake after a while. oscar has incredible depth, but can be a bit much at times. bill might have had the most intimate touch of anyone, but it begins to sound the same...not that that is a bad thing... herbie has all of that, with a reserve and capacity to surprise that no one else in history can be considered on par with...and endless creativity...look at his output...
BodhiSvaha 1 year ago
WTF JM is standing???
watmorecanisay1290 1 year ago
"The only thing wrong with an opinion is, everyone has one!"
stimeeee 1 year ago
This is beautiful. Thanks for posting it.
bzbzob 1 year ago
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No need to waste time on this dirge. Go check out some Satriani or Steve Vai videos.
haroliyk 1 year ago
@haroliyk You having a laugh mate? They couldn't lace Johns boots.
gh103 1 year ago 6
@haroliyk
man,youre retard
gasparovsky1 1 year ago
@haroliyk
man yxoure retard fuck you and those two retards
gasparovsky1 1 year ago
@gasparovsky1 How many times can you use the word 'retard' in one breath?
Keep practicing and you will keep improving.
- Oh, and stop sucking balls all the time.
haroliyk 1 year ago
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@haroliyk LOL...ah, shredders. all you can do is laugh at them
robotfamilygchicken 1 year ago
@haroliyk Best be trollin'.
rexasul 1 year ago 2
Beautiful guys! Beautiful! Bravo! Bravo! Encore! GOD, that was beeautiful piano!
Upritebass 1 year ago
What great musicians!!! n bill evans is one the best composers ever in Jazz history, excellent music!!!
pierrejazzlover 1 year ago
I love both these musicians, but to quote my theory teacher, 'Herbie needed somebody like Miles Davis to keep him in his place'. There's no better playing of his than in his Miles days. If I were him and I could play all that fancy shit I'd prolly do it too, but it's so full!
NJlo 1 year ago
@NJlo herbie is the greatest pianist of all time
BodhiSvaha 1 year ago
@BodhiSvaha Funny! At a minimum Art, Oscar and Bill might have some things to say...Herbie is good though.
dorian411 1 year ago 2
very nice !...thank you ( ありがとう )
maidoodesu 1 year ago
Brilliant! As always from these two greats..
tonet5761 1 year ago
This video is very fine - beautiful texture, but give a listen to McLaughlin's disc "Time Remembered"; JM stays a bit more....inside the lines, so to speak. It's a brilliant tribute to Bill Evans, yet stands on its own.
matambale 1 year ago
i'm so happy i was able to hear and see this
i can only hope to one day be half the musician of herbie, or john
notthedinosaur 1 year ago
amazing.. i would have liked a cleaner effect on Mclaughlin guitar... still amazing though.
AZIARGROUS 1 year ago
@AZIARGROUS hes playing on the clean channel actually. but John is using his guitar with a computer here,so the signal goes straight to the computer and then I guess to the speakers, not a regular amp. you can tell its not an amp tone. he also plays that way with remember Shakti.checl him out, the sound is the same.
fabianidhesona 1 year ago
@fabianidhesona there wasn't a computer, he used the Sony DPS M7.
bibivox 11 months ago
I agree,oatbuck. I am humbled...
ESmithStringSlinger 1 year ago
che meraviglia!
rafperf54 1 year ago
Wow !
How lucky I am to have lived a life in the era of this beautiful talent.
oatbuck 1 year ago
Ahhhhhhhhh. thanks man.
hartistry1957 1 year ago
wow two masters painting pictures with music.. such freedom in their comand...
awesomejohnnet 1 year ago
While I truly love JM, I wish he'd turn off the chorus unit...just ONCE in a while...and play more than three notes in a row without using the Bigsby.
But hey...he's the artist. It's how he hears it. He can do what he wants.
mattleemattlee123 1 year ago
JM i think has the best guitar tone... competitor would be eric johnson... what do you guys think?
DustinDrums1 2 years ago
jm definately has some awesome tone, but i think he had the best tone during his mahavishnu orchestra days, that stuff was so raw and loud!! i aspire to have tone like that someday
Guitar126 1 year ago
really? i would say his chops were more fresh back in the mahavishnu days, but i think his musical maturity and tone have improved a lot since then
DustinDrums1 1 year ago
i agree with you how his musical maturity has improved, but eh its just my opinion with the tone thing i guess. im into more of the early fusion stuff and i think that jm's distorted tone on the first couple of mo albums was top notch. i like pat methenys tone though, that reminds me of jm's tone on this video
Guitar126 1 year ago
@DustinDrums1
No competition,or comparison.Eric J. is a fine player,and all but for a piece like this John is a great Comp. player for Herbie.John is a great comp.player for alot of piano players.Herbie is a players player,to say the least.
ESmithStringSlinger 1 year ago
@DustinDrums1 Eric Johnson's tone IMHO is a bit shrill, I'd go for early McLaughlin.
EZIOTHEMASTER 1 year ago
I've never seen JM on a big hollow guitar, he sounds great, keeps his acoustic tone well
zakcattack 2 years ago
@zakcattack
If you look back,John used a Gibson Hummingbird for work with Tony William's Lifetime,and in his first solo album.Using that on Miles Davis "Silent Way" in 1969,as well
ESmithStringSlinger 1 year ago
Huh, I guess I associate him most with his Les Paul and the double neck rainbow from MO days, as well as his acoustic from shakti. Makes sense though, he is a jazz guy after all
zakcattack 1 year ago
@zakcattack
He always has been Jazz,and usually takes a style to the Nth degree! You need to check out his latest release out soon called "For The One",another dedication to John Coltrane.John reach is still far for this stratospheric level.
ESmithStringSlinger 1 year ago
Yeah JC touched something deep, very deep
zakcattack 1 year ago
i think herbie is very pissed of.. he hits the yamaha straight through the floor! john is somewhere else haha john is amazing.. so is herbie.. those cats always are
SteefStevens 2 years ago
i think johns presence makes herbie sound more like chick..
djkocisi 2 years ago
hmmm... a lot of this guitar stuff sounds like vapid elevator music to me tho. guess i'm still not old enough. on a cruise ship with a shit load of coke and gallons of gin could be good.
optmystik 2 years ago
1:18 => Those are cross rhythms, I don't think it is SO banal as elevator music. Why would coke help?
pyromohanzed 2 years ago
you have some serious problems then
asxefv 2 years ago
Lol. Check out McLaughlin work witht the mahavishnu orchestra. It was by far the loudest band of its time.
anarchopaperclip 2 years ago
That wonderful version! Some idiots who write here want a genius like McLaughlin do an simple imitation of Bill? What nonsense!!!
bobtork 2 years ago 8
damn JM has suhweet tone here!
unclejunglebass 2 years ago
what a fuckin piece of music this is!!! Bill Evans forever
jazzpsalti 2 years ago
ok vecchio john sei un grande
ales65100 2 years ago
Great Communication at 3:27 :-)
alirink 2 years ago
An absolute classic tune. I'm a JM disciple, but I think the Art Friedman Trio's version of this song is the best I've heard. Find it if you can. Michael Pattituci on bass. Wonderful languid pace.
WalterDiamond 2 years ago
i think you mean JOHN pattituci. I dont think there is a Michael Pattituci
obgyno 2 years ago
to john even though you sound great as usual id like to hear you play without any affects on your guitar and mabe even a chord melody
rrichko5049 2 years ago
On a second listen, the thought occurred to me that neither Herbie or John (both of whom I worship), really have the tune itself in mind in their improvisations. Bill Evans always maintained that no matter how far out he got in his solos, it was always about working within the structure of the tune and with respect to the tune. Herbie's solos mostly consist of his characteristic licks that don't at all arise from "Turn Out the Stars" interspersed with melodic segments from the tune itself.
jazznfood 2 years ago 2
This is so tasteful. However, I must say that it doesn't even rival the composer's, Bill Evans', recordings of this tune. That doesn't take away from this recording, but some of the licks that Herbie plays don't seem to be at all in accordance with Bill's conception of this tune.
jazznfood 2 years ago
hes not playing no damn licks he plays melodies
mantatnam 2 years ago
Just curious, have you heard Bill Evans and Jim Hall's original piano/guitar recording of this tune?
jazznfood 2 years ago
but its herbie and john's conception, not evans'. herbie's just doin the herbie thing.
unclejunglebass 2 years ago
ERArocker - try some early Chick Corea ... Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy (Corea/Clarke/DiMeola) was around the same time as Inner Mounting Flame..
batman4453 2 years ago
La Puta Madre!!! se va a la bosta , muy buenoo!
watersydpalmerzoso 2 years ago
Unbelievable! 2 masters at work here. JM has grown so much since the MO days. This one brought tears to my eyes, just beautiful, makes me want to quit playing....
jimmied01 2 years ago 2
Due geni!!!!!
giampi46 2 years ago
JOHN MCLAUGHLIN is GOD!
cegonha02 2 years ago 2
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malilacreuse 3 years ago
wow, truly inspiring, these guys are my two biggest influences in the jazz world.
mario21128 3 years ago
Anyone else think that McLaughlin's most exciting playing was with the original MO?
jmsbk12345 3 years ago
yeah probably with mahavishnu and shakti/remember shakti were his most exciting and interesting music.
GDarkstar74 2 years ago
damn straight...Inner Mounting Flame rules! I'm currently exploring jazz other than MO (such as Miles Davis, Coltrane and Hancock) any suggestions?
ERArocker 2 years ago
Charlie Parker, Theloniuos monk, Jelly roll morton, Bud powell, Stan getz, Gerry Mulligan and Charles Mingus
flipperboy 2 years ago
Chick Corea's "Hymn Of The 7th Galaxy", Larry Coryell's "11th House", Chick Corea "Circle", anything by Gary Burton...lately I'm having a love affair with Ornette Colman and Art Tatum...there are so many greats!
newthings158 2 years ago
You have got to check the John Coltrane quartet playing 'Vigil" live in Belguim around 1965.Theres a 9 minute posting available on youtube.
masterofallhesurveys 2 years ago 2
this is too cool
DFitzTube 3 years ago
Can some1 pleaase tell me what guitar he using here? is it a gibson?
larry3393 3 years ago
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bzbzob 1 year ago
@larry3393 Johnny Smith Gibson
bzbzob 1 year ago
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nod2003 3 years ago
Herbie,as always has a graceful touch and is a wonderful acoustic player.And John is a master at comping,and playing over the changes.He's been bashed about the soft tone,or not the right one in this type of context.Tone can be changed...a matter of choice.
ESmithStringSlinger 3 years ago
this is one of the most delightful performances i've heard from mclaughlin
xRisingForcex 3 years ago 4
John can do what ever he plz.His choice.
Can't we shut our big mouth n listen?
Bluezking 3 years ago
wow there are people here who are bitching about John McLaughlin? c'mon fellas rip a tube, and listen to this again.
axegrinder9 3 years ago 2
No big issue, people are just giving personal opinions on John because of his sound. John McLaughlin is a master guitarist but listen to him with Herbie. Honestly....
orlandoCF1 3 years ago
i know right?
xRisingForcex 3 years ago
Beautiful music- beautiful people.
icecreamforcrowhurst 3 years ago
I think they both played together very well, I just didnt like Johns tone on that beautiful guitar of his. His playing was great though. (acoustic piano & chorus guitar) :(
orlandoCF1 3 years ago
I agree. The tone doesn't go well with the piano. He culd have used a sharper tone that complements Herbie's piano
abhinav333 3 years ago
y'all leave them alone...and innovate something of your own.
that's what's killing this music...people thinking that they have to sound like something from the past to make thier story relevant, to make it "jazz".
go listen to a tribute album if that's what youre looking for.
these are free spirits- STOP HATIN!
jinalanguniafrika 3 years ago 28
@jinalanguniafrika Agreed. The musical mentality has de evolved so much on the whole in America, hasn't it? How could anyone not like this? Or at least appreciate it? I've heard John at his best B4, but I have to admit, I haven't heard HH play lke this B4. NOw I see why he is considered one of the greats. :-) He's fantastic!!!!
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He´s definetly not like a trad jazz guitarist really. Here i feel like he´s out of his comfort zone...For me he doesn´t hold a melody well his comping isnt vey interesting either...however soloing he´s fine always. Bit of a nasty chorus tone for me but hey who am i to say. Imagine benson on this though you know it would be better
.Hancock is pure genius!!!!
shadracastrat 3 years ago
Listening to Herbie sounds like walking through mud. Benson would have more trad jazz set piece phrases, thats not Mclaughlins approach. But this is beautiful and as always far more imaginitive and with far superior time than Benson.
OneBigRetard 3 years ago
I feel you bro! Forget these idiots that are hatin on your post! Even rockers and shredders are getting away from effects these days and are going for the organic sound of guitar straight into the amp. The effects are just cheesy and sound dated! But Johnny Mac never did have a tone that was worth shit anyway!
osensei2987 3 years ago
Just F.Y.I. this is a Bill Evan's tune........
padleynj 3 years ago
Don't see the big deal? Well, you may need to do a little research; Yes, I would say that JM is a jazz guitarist, but also has a pretty broad scope of influences. He is acknowledged pioneer of fusion, played on Bitches Brew, was the founder of Mahavishnu - has written and performed his own classical concerto...need I continue?
buddyro57 3 years ago
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John McLaughlin has technical greatness. I would say he's sort of a jazz guitarist. Other than speed and some things that sound other-world to most people who are ignorant of Indian classical music, I don't see the big deal. Really.
Steakfinger 3 years ago
This could be very historical performance, however to me, Herbie was getting in a way for John to develop his solo and I wonder why Herbie was playing so busy behind John since we all know that how great pianist Herbie is, so there was no need for him to prove that unless he was kind of obsessed with unnecessary ego at a moment instead of creating music together with John. I see kind of disappointing musicianship of Herbie here. It is not any kind of interplay how Bill and Jim created together.
Sopranoguitar 3 years ago
They both played magnificently together.
bigfatgreek 3 years ago
Superb.
I wonder if it is only when JM leaves this veil of tears that the music world will begin to understand his utter GREATNESS and majesty.
dorian411 4 years ago 4
ill cry like a baby when that day comes
lwzeis 3 years ago 3
Herbie is a genius and McLaughlin plays fabulous too.
luke125 4 years ago 2
I kinda see Dimeola as an imitation of one of John's many dimensions.
hallmanjon 4 years ago 4
I LOVE IT!!!
William102582 4 years ago
I am a huge John McLaughlin fan but I really didn't enjoy John's playing here. He's repeating the same runs he was using a lot during that period and the sound didn't mesh well with the piano. Herbie was flawless.
gotrottin 4 years ago
I think exactly the opposite-it's Herbie that didn't play with John,even interrupted him in the middle of his solo instead of supporting him.John played as good as usual,it's just that you need two to tango :-)
denjz 4 years ago 3
I agree with you. We all forget our manners sometimes and I think Herbie got a little carried away. John did not fight it and I thought that was good!
moresteve 4 years ago
The best jazz guitarist to ever live. His legacy will never die. Herbie is also incredible.
schifosojo 4 years ago 8
fantastic melody
alejandrojazzmetal 4 years ago
It's so wonderful to hear Herbie and John in this context. The voicings are interesting and perfect for this mood. It's understated but so deep and profound. It's real jazz. The other side of McLaughlin and Herbie.
ignaciomoran 5 years ago 2
Turn Out the Stars, is a great Bill Evans composition. Hancock and McLaughlin do a great job on this wonderful tune.
Modernjazz1 5 years ago
fantaaaastic melodies.
filipebalestra 5 years ago
I'm not a very big fan of John McLaughlin, but I love Herbie Hancock and this video shows why.
Jazzfan666 5 years ago