I really hope Andrew Brons is elected as leader! It's especially nice to see Arthur Kemp support Brons. Andrew Moffat has a very prime minister quality about him. I wonder whether he'll make a future leader for the BNP. If he supports Andrew Brons then I have no doubt the man's mind is right.
I don't agree..Brons is too old and out of touch to lead the BNP..the BNP needs to appeal to young people not old fuddies..Griffin has still got my support.
The Party has gone as far as it can under Griffin. Jean Marie Le Pen was old, yet he still led the Front National to 2nd place in the 2002 French elections for the Presidency. With age comes experience. I do wish people, especially Nationalists, would cut the age argument. The party left a Vaccum for the EDL, because it dropped its attraction to Youth.
@TheGatesOfViennaII well you've admitted yourself that the youth that could've supported the BNP got drawn to the EDL..we need to get those young people back supporting the BNP..and whether you are old or not is immaterial..it's the leadership I'm talking about.
And the reason they got drawn into the EDL was because Griffin's BNP didn't fill that vaccum. Had the BNP targetted the Youth more, the EDL wouldn't even exist, because they'd all be in the BNP. I think Brons would make an excellent leader, and with less bagage and more political intelligence then Griffin, I think we would do better attracting young people under Brons then we are at the moment under Griffin.
@TheGatesOfViennaII well ok we'll have to agree to disagree..personally I'm voting Griffin and we in the BNP don't need infighting..god knows we get enough hate from the outside already..take it easy man.
Before you vote, please check the credentials of Pat Harrington who Nick Griffin employs. He supports the IRA and is an officer for a party which stands against the BNP. The National Liberal Party (third way). Why would Griffin employ someone from another party?.
Just listening to these it sounds to me like Nick is rather despised! Is this the case? Kemp strikes me as an articulate and forceful fellow. Why doesnt he run? Coming from the US, so my insight into BNP is that of an outsider.
Hmmm, I'm not sure what to think. I just want whats best for the party but until we see Bronz in action, we will never know if its the right thing or not. It could be the worst decision weve ever made, but it also may be the best. We'll see. I just hope whatever is decided, it makes a positive difference.
This is not a degrading comment, nor is it intended to be damaging, slanderous or traitorous for that matter:
I believe that we lack firm and assertive orators, Brons would certainly make for an identity-enhancing replacement to Griffin, however, both could certainly work on the delivery of their speeches.
Nick Griffin has given everything he has for the BNP. He has faced gangs of labour thugs, missiles and bottles. He has stood up and be counted when all others were too afraid. He faced prison to stand up for what he believed in , not once but twice, and won. He went on National TV against a hand picked, leftist hostile audience and gave a good account of himself. Without Nick there will be no BNP. How could anyone doubt him?
From a sort of outsiders perspective I think a change in the parties image will be a good move overall.
I have no idea if the accusations against Griffin are true or not therefore I'm not going to jump on that hate bandwaggon however I still think the party has become a bit stagnant. I think Nick would be better off helping the party in the European Alliance of Nationalists area. I wouldn't like to see him go from the party completely.
How does the BNP feel about the national debt and its causes ? Id like to vote for the BNP but they seem to be pro big government high taxes. We need a small government and low taxes, more libertarianism.
There are lots of ways to cut debt which only a nationalist party would do...withdraw from the EU, Stop foreign aid, stop immigration and tax the bankers instead of the poor.
@TheBNPrenaissance The BNP seems to be badly organised , i was going to be an activist but theres no group in Scarborough. How can the BNP progress when there is not even grass roots orgnisation , without the roots the tree can never grow.
@hablerz You are finding out first hand why Nick Griffin needs to be replaced: Nick Griffin has alienated so many activists and organisers that many local units have collapsed.
Holy heck - Arthur Kemp supports Brons? High public figure he is.
Brons reminds me of a sort of smart Grandfather archetype.
Also he goes on about activists being lost which is correct cos I kept telling BNP.Enquiries that I am willing to help, willing to activist and willing to take part in campaigns but got nowhere...
I always support who I think it the best candidate to lead the party.In past elections I've voted Nick Griffin. I feel it's now time for a change and Andrew Brons is the better candidate,he would have done much better on Question Time.
I really hope Andrew Brons is elected as leader! It's especially nice to see Arthur Kemp support Brons. Andrew Moffat has a very prime minister quality about him. I wonder whether he'll make a future leader for the BNP. If he supports Andrew Brons then I have no doubt the man's mind is right.
Nationalism4Life 7 months ago
Here's what I have to say: GET GRIFFIN OUT! OUT!!!
JimmyMacJones 7 months ago
I don't agree..Brons is too old and out of touch to lead the BNP..the BNP needs to appeal to young people not old fuddies..Griffin has still got my support.
BNPpatriot 7 months ago
@BNPpatriot
The Party has gone as far as it can under Griffin. Jean Marie Le Pen was old, yet he still led the Front National to 2nd place in the 2002 French elections for the Presidency. With age comes experience. I do wish people, especially Nationalists, would cut the age argument. The party left a Vaccum for the EDL, because it dropped its attraction to Youth.
And no, I am not an "old fuddie"
TheGatesOfViennaII 7 months ago
@TheGatesOfViennaII well you've admitted yourself that the youth that could've supported the BNP got drawn to the EDL..we need to get those young people back supporting the BNP..and whether you are old or not is immaterial..it's the leadership I'm talking about.
BNPpatriot 7 months ago
@BNPpatriot
And the reason they got drawn into the EDL was because Griffin's BNP didn't fill that vaccum. Had the BNP targetted the Youth more, the EDL wouldn't even exist, because they'd all be in the BNP. I think Brons would make an excellent leader, and with less bagage and more political intelligence then Griffin, I think we would do better attracting young people under Brons then we are at the moment under Griffin.
TheGatesOfViennaII 7 months ago
@TheGatesOfViennaII well ok we'll have to agree to disagree..personally I'm voting Griffin and we in the BNP don't need infighting..god knows we get enough hate from the outside already..take it easy man.
BNPpatriot 7 months ago
@BNPpatriot
Before you vote, please check the credentials of Pat Harrington who Nick Griffin employs. He supports the IRA and is an officer for a party which stands against the BNP. The National Liberal Party (third way). Why would Griffin employ someone from another party?.
TheBNPrenaissance 7 months ago
:)
V2DHEART 7 months ago
Just listening to these it sounds to me like Nick is rather despised! Is this the case? Kemp strikes me as an articulate and forceful fellow. Why doesnt he run? Coming from the US, so my insight into BNP is that of an outsider.
Vexed34 7 months ago
Hmmm, I'm not sure what to think. I just want whats best for the party but until we see Bronz in action, we will never know if its the right thing or not. It could be the worst decision weve ever made, but it also may be the best. We'll see. I just hope whatever is decided, it makes a positive difference.
ashleelmb 7 months ago
This is not a degrading comment, nor is it intended to be damaging, slanderous or traitorous for that matter:
I believe that we lack firm and assertive orators, Brons would certainly make for an identity-enhancing replacement to Griffin, however, both could certainly work on the delivery of their speeches.
Born English, Live English, Die English.
AntagonistMusic 7 months ago
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JohnPurchaseArt 7 months ago
Some big hitters here.
No1London1 7 months ago
Thank you Renaissance.I believe that most of us in the South East support Andrew.Thank you for posting.
All the best to you sir.
No1London1 7 months ago
Nick Griffin has given everything he has for the BNP. He has faced gangs of labour thugs, missiles and bottles. He has stood up and be counted when all others were too afraid. He faced prison to stand up for what he believed in , not once but twice, and won. He went on National TV against a hand picked, leftist hostile audience and gave a good account of himself. Without Nick there will be no BNP. How could anyone doubt him?
fx02zbn 7 months ago
From a sort of outsiders perspective I think a change in the parties image will be a good move overall.
I have no idea if the accusations against Griffin are true or not therefore I'm not going to jump on that hate bandwaggon however I still think the party has become a bit stagnant. I think Nick would be better off helping the party in the European Alliance of Nationalists area. I wouldn't like to see him go from the party completely.
RoyalistNationalist 7 months ago
Will he stand against the Zionist and their cohorts?
sidecrank 7 months ago
Best of luck Andrew Brons.
If he becomes leader, I might even become a member again.
TheGatesOfViennaII 7 months ago
How does the BNP feel about the national debt and its causes ? Id like to vote for the BNP but they seem to be pro big government high taxes. We need a small government and low taxes, more libertarianism.
hablerz 7 months ago
@hablerz
There are lots of ways to cut debt which only a nationalist party would do...withdraw from the EU, Stop foreign aid, stop immigration and tax the bankers instead of the poor.
TheBNPrenaissance 7 months ago
@TheBNPrenaissance The BNP seems to be badly organised , i was going to be an activist but theres no group in Scarborough. How can the BNP progress when there is not even grass roots orgnisation , without the roots the tree can never grow.
hablerz 7 months ago 2
@hablerz You are finding out first hand why Nick Griffin needs to be replaced: Nick Griffin has alienated so many activists and organisers that many local units have collapsed.
wim0104 7 months ago
@wim0104 What exactly has he done in laymans terms ?
hablerz 7 months ago
@TheBNPrenaissance well said
2010butchd 7 months ago
@TheBNPrenaissance
I'm an American but I support your party 100%. I feel the same way.
HokiesAndDawgs 7 months ago
Holy heck - Arthur Kemp supports Brons? High public figure he is.
Brons reminds me of a sort of smart Grandfather archetype.
Also he goes on about activists being lost which is correct cos I kept telling BNP.Enquiries that I am willing to help, willing to activist and willing to take part in campaigns but got nowhere...
Nantchev 7 months ago
I cannot vote until March 2012 but I would vote for Brons because I think we need a different public image.
When ppl say "BNP" they get an evil, Nazi, thug image in their mind with a picture of Nick Griffin.
I am unsure about their policies deep in the party but with regards to public imagine prefere Brons.
But I feel that in around 10~ years or so from now I may stand for leadership.
Nantchev 7 months ago
You no longer support Nick Griffin ?
hablerz 7 months ago
Respond to this video...
I always support who I think it the best candidate to lead the party.In past elections I've voted Nick Griffin. I feel it's now time for a change and Andrew Brons is the better candidate,he would have done much better on Question Time.
TheBNPrenaissance 7 months ago