Dogfights - No Room For Error 5 of 5

[nguoihanam88]

it lie not real

[p110257r]

Burning oil, is no fire ?

Frozen fire if I follow your meaning.

[Ariana321]

"Guts, training and a little bit of luck." Yeah, like it should have stayed... Fire and forget missiles have all but taken almost all of the skill out of aerial combat.

[COMBATARMS4ALLTIME1]

Best. Show. Ever. I've learned a lot from this.

[MrGeras145]

future dogfights are going to be so dumb

[p110257r]

There is no need to be an ace pilot, or even a simple pilot, to understand pure logic, damaged plane = loss of power = loss of speed and/or manoeuvrability, it's as simple as that.

[nephilium67]

I see that everyone here is an Ace pilot by the comments. Outstanding.

[p110257r]

@ theground

According to the narrator, the german airplane was leaving a trail of black smoke, one can imagine on fire and thus loosing power/airspeed. So in a valley, near the ground banking left or right or trying to climb would have meant loosing even more power/speed and thus a risk of stalling.

In that situation no pilot would have wanted to offer an even huger targer to two P51's in his six.

[chpman2013]

@p110257r the black smoke was probably from burning oil, not from a fire

[p110257r]

One wonders why people with no knowledge of flying cares to watch and posts comments about things they do not know about, just like andromedar just did.

[TEHGROUND]

@p110257r Well why couldn't he turn?

[andromedarr]

THe Mig Pilot could have turned instead of pulling up...that would have been the better choice

[Azamspazam91]

why doesnt radar lock on near the jungle ground? im guessing too many objects get picked up by the radar and its impossible to distinguish plane from tree?

[bfahren]

@Azamspazam91 Early radars couldn´t tell the difference between the clutter from the ground and the enemy aircraft. I think the Navy F-4J was the first aircraft capable to "look-down shoot-down" thanks to an AN/AWG-10 Fire Control System.

[Azamspazam91]

@bfahren thats kinda crazy if you think about it. The fight is so easy now its almost boring

[bfahren]

@Azamspazam91 That depends on the technology gap between the aircraft. A modern aircraft have enough countermeasures to make a BVR missile kill at least difficult. Off course not many countries have such technology.

[arafat88ryu]

Excuse me tsuri19, do you have any dogfight ep that includes f-14? Cause i love that jet.

[EonFigure]

BUT IF I WERE TO HAVE taken that shot with the missile it would of effing missed....gah, bs man.

[bostitch1234]

No matter what it takes... that MIG is going down!

[Bhousm76]

i don't really get into t.v. all that much, but this show alwayes has me on the edge of my seat. sooo intense

[Snickerbocker]

Incredibly riveting to watch. I'm slightly out of breath afterwards.

[nakazatoGTR]

@Snickerbocker you'd been pulling too much G's

[peterinne]

we saw 2 ace fighter pilot and the last one is epic... he is ace SQ leader lol

[justforever96]

So, where are the J79 smoke trails? The black smoke at military power is a trademark of the F-4. It doesn't show much in afterburner, but guzzles the fuel down. The F-4 was big enough all alone, without adding a black trail behind it as well. A lot of F-4 drivers learned to put one engine in idle, one in afterburner when turning hard, to get the same power as both J79's on full military, but without the smoke. Also, he fired a couple of AIM-9's already, so why is there 4 still on his plane?

[justforever96]

WTF...isn't that MiG-17 making some preeeetty tight turns there, even for a maneuverable plane? I don't think the -17 could turn like that, back and forth forever. Maybe once or twice near GLOC....but a body can only take so many Gee's without blacking out. Maybe the North Vietnamese were less susceptible to GLOC than US pilots? LOL.

[336kgf]

@justforever96 They could probably do it at that speed, but then again, the Mig 17 had no hydraulic assist like our fighters did. They could do some bad ass turns at speed if they had to, assuming the pilot was in that good of a physical condition.

[dogfight001]

I LOVE THIS SHOW!

[FalconKPD]

My Dad used to be a Security Police officer in Robin Old's former squadron back in the 80s.

[336kgf]

@FalconKPD Dude...I am jealous. Did you ever meet Olds???

[FalconKPD]

@336kgf I personally never have, but I'm not sure if my Dad met him or not. He DID know Scott O'grady.

[336kgf]

@FalconKPD That would also be a great conversation to have. Is O'Grady still around?

[FalconKPD]

@336kgf He should be.

[maidenrulz73]

@336kgf ...@336kgf .....that's nuthin'....i used to own an olds cutlass.....v8,power windows,leather interior....sweet ride!

[336kgf]

@maidenrulz73 We're talking about retired BG Robin Olds of the USAF, not the car. He's the only pilot to fly missions in 3 different wars.

[maidenrulz73]

@336kgf ....ahhhh yeah i kinda thought that.......just tryin to be funny!

[336kgf]

@maidenrulz73 OK, after I read your comment, I laughed. Thumbs up.

[bowrebel]

He actually had 4 choices at the end. He could have gone around the ridge line. There was enough space between him and the ridge.

[superdonkeyballs]

oooooo wheee that was exciting. technology will take the fun away from dogfighting. sadness.

[Mikester750]

yeah i was thinking about that and i agree, at least it saves lives

[superdonkeyballs]

ucav's are on the way. it'll be like playing video games on your play station.

[Plawranc]

@superdonkeyballs

Im to tall to fly real planes in combat (Ejector seat will cut my legs off if I bail)

So thats gonna be my job :D.

[cinndave]

@superdonkeyballs Superior technology like what the Americans and Israelis have is what deters Soviet-equipped scum from trying anything in the first place. That's why dogfights have been getting increasingly rare. Peace.

[tee18785]

@cinndave Well said sir, well said. The plain obvious truth that Soviet-tech lovers cant admit to themselves.

[Mojo1982]

Wow, great video man.

[MajSolo]

Old os Olds, he been there done that before in WWII, i fuess he see no problem with goíng down to tree top level. I guess he is more worried about those new missiles DOD contractors have thought up ......

[MajSolo]

thank you thank you. Completely satisfied. thank history channel

[Rayden440]

haha he had no choice left

[CMDRFandragon]

ROFLMAO, 6:25-6:35....absolutely hilarious

[dominic970]

@CMDRFandragon hahaha shit had me rolling on tha ground too