Civilian fears on Gaza's Israeli border

[MendingMedia]

Israel keeps pissing on America and America thinks its raining.

[nlvideos]

Because of Israel's help, Palestinians in Gaza have food, clolthing, blankets, etc. and what does Israel receive in return . . outrageous propaganda . . this video clip is absurd.

[JPSwissCheese]

Oh wow this isn't bias

[venkaryardsfs]

so when is the freedom ring for my Palestinian friends?

[gospelnews123]

Can a respectful Palestinian answer to this?: If Jews are not welcome & Israel has no right to exist, where do u suppose they should go? Are they not Semitic people? Are they not Middle-Eastern. As I understand, they owned that land (historically) & were kicked out by invaders, then in the 1940's they were allowed to return. And, why are there Israeli-Arabs in Israel living in peace alonside Jews? All the bad words I see here give a bad name to Islam. At least that's not my idea of a holy faith.

[MendingMedia]

Israel is a terrorist country and the World is waking up to that fact.

When are we going to inspect Israel's nuclear arsenal?

[whitelght9]

@MendingMedia You're stupid and you shoud stop commenting about videos on youtube. Israel is the only sane country left in the middle east and they have every right to protect their borders. They promote democracy and are the olny beacon of freedom left over there in that hell hole. I'm sorry you're retarded and I hope you grow a brain soon insteading of watching MSNBC 24/7 and jacking your little dick off to that dyke Rachel Maddow.

[freakonlin]

fuck you all ..!

Israel is not guilty .!

it been attacked by Palestinians terrorists a lot of years ...

what the fuck wrong with you ...

country try to protect it self ... and now look, the terrorism need to be stopped before it will be too late and fuck this...

its really gonna be the end of the world if we don't stop it .!!!!!!!

[heisenfeis]

@freakonlin YOU ARE DUMB ! you where given land and now you take it from your neighborers just because of Oil and resources. I understand you protect yourself from your own mess your country has gone into. AND ITS ISRAELS FAULT !

[freakonlin]

@heisenfeis we don't need oil from that land, we barely use this lands >.<

why do you care at all? you really don't have what to do so you fuck the brain.!

[heisenfeis]

@freakonlin I don't only mean the Gaza strip and the West bank, but the teritories you've claimed yours.

[freakonlin]

@heisenfeis if you talking about Jerusalem and others territories in Israel state

so if you didn't know.

Palestinian live there normally without problems and no one bother them, and they

get every service that all civilians in Israel get, I know some Palestinian people that live very god even grate.

but not clear why in other states people think they living bad.

about Gaza if you didn't they have there terror regime that don't want peace and make the civilians in Gaza think that Israel Guilty

[shlomppers]

You can be more hypocritical?

The title makes it to show that Israel attacked just for fun.

Why not mention the 8 years of rockets from Gaza before the operation and murders? No one did anything of course.

Why not mention the terrorist cells for shooting (still) missiles from the fence, or put explosive devices?

But no .. Jews can not defend himself.

Jewish blood is allowed.

[MelodicBlues]

Why the AJ stories are always one-sided? Why don't you interview people on the other side of the border as well? On the Israeli side, civilians had to absorb Hamas's rockets for 8 years - people lost agriculture land, houses, children died - but no, you show only the underdog in this absurd situation. Palestinians can't live quietly because of the Israeli defensive moves, and Israelis can't live quietly because of the Palestinians' lack of courage to ask Hamas to tone down the violence.

[djigivara1]

Animals live better than the Palestinian sham on israel & on the usa who give giga support to israel

[jojo1ukuk]

jewish go fuck urself and live in american alien country, and give the land back to the palestine people and golan heights to the syria people. we muslims and arabs will never accept peace with jewish assholes till they fuck off to america. arabs and muslims have never ever attacked ur fucking countrys for years and u western world and jewish have because of fucking oil.

[millenium2003]

omg! these filthy oppresive zionists. Makes me wanna kill one of them.

[Readmit]

What the fuck man?!

[mattghtpa]

Well the solution is simple, quite chanting death to Israel, America, or anyone or thing, but more importantly stop strapping on suicide vests and blowing random civilians up and then maybe, jut maybe Israel will stop.

But of course Islam has hijacked all sensibility and reason, so I dont see that happening anytime soon.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

The solution is even more simple than that.

Israel should stop illegally occupying the Golan Heights, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Jerusalem. It should then either allow Palestinian refugees to return to their land and homes, or else pay them compensation for displacing them the way the German government paid Israel compensation for displacing Jews.

Once that occurs, then an elected Palestinian government can begin to build security apparatus that will be obliged to fight terrorism.

Simples.

[mattghtpa]

I disagree, what I said was simple, very simple. Do not blow yourself up in civilian locations slaughtering suspecting peaceful people just because they're Jews or "Zionist".

"Israel should stop illegally occupying the Golan Heights, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Jerusalem."

What you stated resembles nothing remotely close to simple for Israeli strategic safety and the ridiculous religious fundamentalism and dogma going back 5000yrs.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Nobody has yet blown themselves up in a civilian location slaughtering peaceful people just because they are Jews or Zionists.

The people who commit those barbaric acts are fuelled by the fact that as a state Israel is illegally annexing large parts of land which does not belong to Israel. This is not a fight over religion, but over land.

[mattghtpa]

"This is not a fight over religion, but over land."

Land disputes are part of it, but religious fundamentalism fuels the hate and perpetuates the violence.

[mattghtpa]

But before what you stated can happen or will happen, the Arab League and people need to recognize Israel.

If we follow the pretense for why a certain group of people should or should not occupy a land because of heredity or religious edicts, then obviously Israelis are the oldest existing group claiming rights and the group calling themselves Palestinians, a group made up from many Arab people including several other cultures nearly a 1000yes later.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Who are you to dictate who should or should not recognise Israel? This has nothing to do with the Arab League! It has everything to do with international law. Either we apply international law and human rights responsibilities to Israel, or we do not.

[mattghtpa]

"Who are you to dictate who should or should not recognize Israel? This has nothing to do with the Arab League!"

Before I responded to you I spent several hrs researching this topic from several sources over thousands of yrs, it seems you need too as well.

Your claims ignore many factors and are biased. That will not solve the problem, just exacerbate it.

I never stated Israel was innocent, but neither are the Arabs.

[mattghtpa]

Its clear who has somewhat more reasons to be there and the fact that Jews have been persecuted and slaughtered for the last 3000yrs culminating in the Coup de grâce of events, the Holocaust, I can see why they are a very concerned and highly guarded people.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Just because one set of people were brutally murdered by a second set of people, that does not give them the right to illegally steal the land, homes, and natural resources and dignity of a third third set of people. Does it?

[mattghtpa]

No, it definitely does not.

I'm not defending Israel actions in anyway, but I understand why they have become they way they are.

Imagine being persecuted for the last 2000yrs, hated everywhere, slaughtered my the millions, then given home, but then youre surrounded by neighbors that declare hate and death upon you and your family in perpetuity.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

You say that "Israelis" have been persecuted for the last 2000 years. This statement alone is based upon many false predications.

Firstly, Israel has only existed for just over 60 years. If Israel is suffering it is because of the actions of the State of Israel, not because of some conspiracy against Jews.

Secondly. You are trying to equate the entire Jewish experience to being Israeli, one can be a Jew and not be Israeli and not even support Israel.

Cont...

[mattghtpa]

I won't play semantics if you won't, so please don't cherry pick history.

Firstly, Israelis equate Judaism as part of their culture even if some Israelis aren't religious they are still a Semitic people and they would have still been targeted by anti-Semitic groups over the previous centuries.

Secondly, if you want to continue to blithely bias a conversation, then I have no further desire to exchange comments with you. I'm not siding with anyone, but I won't tolerate pedantic ignorance.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Thirdly, Jews, Muslims and Christians lived in peace in Palestine, and in many other places at many other times before the State of Israel existed. Why, given this history of peace and brotherhood (btw, Sikhism was revealed by a man born to Hindu parents living in a Muslim ruled land), do you wish to perpetuate the myth that only religion is at the root of this conflict and that followers of the Abrahamic tradition must always disagree and resort to violence?

[mattghtpa]

Thirdly, yes, I still recognize violence in the name of a religion as being the primary reason for regional conflicts.

"history of peace and brotherhood"

Who are you trying to convince? Because, I am quite old enough to have followed much of the modern violence and historically educated to know that "history of peace and brotherhood" only punctuated the violence and conflict, not reign for any significant length of time.

Apologetics only works on the ignorant.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Forthly, even your own terminology implies wrong-doing. You say that the Israelis were "given" a home? By whom? Under what authority? What about the people whose home it already was - and I'm talking about Jews, Muslims and Christians who lived in the Mandate of Palestine? Did the people who were already living there not have any rights?

The majority of land in Israel is "owned" by the government and "leased" out. Most of this land was not bought in a legal transaction, but stolen.

[mattghtpa]

Fourthly, why are you asking me these questions?

I'm simply giving you my opinion and youre asking for answers as if I make policy. Please do your own research.

I'm saying I understand what Israels motivations may be based on historically and what regional mores that fuel the conflict, but I'm not condoning any actions, Im just making an observation.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

It seems you have never come across rhetorical questions before.

I know the answers to those questions, my point was, do you?

If you do, then clearly you must understand that there is a basic injustice at the heart of this entire conflict. The injustice that an authority not elected by anybody within the Mandate of Palestine elected imposed a two-state solution which the majority of the inhabitants of the Mandate of Palestine did not want.

[mattghtpa]

"I know the answers to those questions, my point was, do you?"

It's appears to me you have an emotional subjective position rather than an objective pragmatic opinion.

"basic injustice at the heart of this entire conflict."

I acknowledged that and I find it to be a grave injustice, BUT if you refuse, deny, or fail to consider and understand the true scope of the problem then it is a moot and pointless conversation.

There's a saying, "Can't see the forest for its trees."

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Please explain what you think is the true scope of the problem.

It is my position that Israel is occupying the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights and that this is illegal under international law.

If there is a view that contests this which has any legal basis please present it.

[mattghtpa]

"Please explain what you think is the true scope of the problem."

Are you not reading my comments or are you unable to understand the implications of what I'm writing?

I've stated several times quite clearly what I consider the larger issues fueling the conflict. I'm not going to repeat myself.

[mattghtpa]

Lastly, I really don't care for your brand of arguing. If you choose to ignore historical facts, bias, and cherry pick information then thats your prerogative, however, information is freely available and this kind of contrived behavior is easily spotted and dismissed.

You can favor one side or another, thats perfectly within your right, but do not try to argue your point with inadequate facts and skewed perceptions.

[mattghtpa]

However, if you want to discuss this openly and accurately then we may continue, otherwise were through.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

My brand of arguing has only presented facts. If you can prove them wrong, go ahead, so far you have not.

My perceptions are skewed towards the reality of the past, and the lack of justice for a people whose land has been stolen from under them.

I have been open and accurate and it takes little research to verify that. I leave it to the people reading this to draw their own conclusions.

You appear to be engaging in ad hominem attacks rather than discussing facts, that speaks volumes to me.

[mattghtpa]

"If you can prove them wrong, go ahead, so far you have not."

I never said you were wrong, I'm saying you are not acknowledging the larger issues; religion, history, regional conflict, and the fact there are more players than just Palestine and Israel.

"engaging in ad hominem attacks rather than discussing facts"

No, thats called frustration, referring to the above comment.

If this were serious discussion between learned individuals you would likely be ignored or dismissed.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

To be clear. Are you conceding that I'm not wrong in saying that Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights? This is what I said in my first reply to you. You appeared to disagree with me but now you appear to not disagree with me.

Are you saying that religion, history and 'regional conflict' override the requirements of international law? If not, why should anyone obey any law?

You claim to be frustrated with me, but launch another ad hominem attack. How rude.

[mattghtpa]

Alright...I've had enough.

If you're unable to remember what I already stated, want to put words in my mouth, and worried about being rude then you are clearly lacking in comprehension skills.

All I have thought on the matter I have already stated.

You seem to want to conveniently ignore certain facts and cherry pick the rest.

Thank you for the interesting conversation, but I feel this discussion is at an impasse and redundant.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

So far you neither disagree nor agree with me and you assert that there are larger issues (perhaps religion, history and 'regional conflict') at stake which need to be taken into account and which also give Israel the right to ignore international law but by the same token claim to be the 'only democracy in the middle east' whilst practising systemic apartheid against non-Jewish Israeli citizens.

I've not ignored anything, and I've 'cherry picked' the pertinent parts of international law.

[mattghtpa]

Then they try to murder you, your family, and take your home away, but then you beat them back and are left with no other choice but to return a higher level of violence to make the point not to attack you or suffer the consequences.

If you dont acknowledge the all the players (Arab League, Iran, PLO) in this conflict and reasons why Israel acts the way it does then nothing will ever be resolved.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Again, you predicate your case on the basis that it is "them" (Arabs) and not "us" who commit aggressive acts. In fact, it is the state of Israel who consistently commits pre-meditated and pre-emptive strikes against the Palestinian people. This has been a pattern since 1948 and continues to this day.

The Israeli policy of ever escalating violence that you describe has not worked for 60 years, at what point do you think it will start to have an effect?

[mattghtpa]

However it goes beyond that fact and right back to the absurd religious fundamentalist claims that will NEVER be resolved because the Abrahamic religions perpetuate a completely irrational, meaningless, and, insane violent behavior that is at the hear t of this problem.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

This is not about religion. But about land. Jews, Christians and Muslims have lived together in peace throughout out the ages, in different times and in different lands.  I have made Atheist, Sikh, Jewish and Christian friends on YouTube and exchanged trust and humanity with them.

You wish to pass judgement on an entire set of people not as individuals, but as if they were borg. Is that not a form of racism?

[mattghtpa]

"This is not about religion."

Again, I have to strongly disagree. So then explain to me why Jerusalem is so paramountly important to both sides?

I'm not saying you cannot get with others of different beliefs, but fundamentally you'll never agree and that can result in violence.

I pass judgment on al religion. Religion may have had a role in humanities past, but its self serving dogmas only hinder progress now and create discord and prejudice.

[mattghtpa]

Israel has no option, surrounded as it is, but to insolate itself from military and terrorist attacks. While they are, without doubt, committing atrocities against Palestinians, the Israelis must feel cornered and are left with few options other than ones that always seem to take away from Israel and results in more concessions demanded by a never satisfied Arab Leagues that wants nothing less than the destruction of the Jewish state.

So, no, not very "Simples" as you seem to think or ignore.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Did you get this from a Hasbara manual?

Never has any country ever "survived" by just insulating itself from the outside world. Such a regime is destined - and history proves this time and again - to fail.

Even in the last few days the Palestinians have called for the global community to recognise the 1967 borders and help build a Palestinian state. This request implicitly recognises that Israel exists and is here to stay! What more could Israel ask for? Oh. Yes. More land I suppose.

[mattghtpa]

"Never has any country ever "survived" by just insulating itself from the outside world. Such a regime is destined - and history proves this time and again - to fail."

I agree, its a doomed policy.

As for the rest, I don't know what the solution should be.

IMO, when religion is involved, there are no correct answers, they are all biased and based on subjective realities that have no relationship to real world issues.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Also, what exactly is Israel afraid of?

It has one of the worlds largest armies. Is given economic and military support from the US. Is never required to obey the spirit or letter of any UN resolution. Is backed politically by the US and EU. Has never lost a war it has been involved in - or been held to account for war crimes stretching all the way back to 1947.

Israel is never required to obey even basic Human Rights laws and is left alone to its apartheid regime.

Israel is not cornered.

[mattghtpa]

Everyone thinks everyone else is wrong and everyone thinks they are right.

I don't know, but it is definitely a tragedy that is not going to end well.

Too bad everyone is living in the past and is still fighting over each others fundamental differences which are ironically based on the same religions.

Everyone is guilty IMO. Hate is learned. Stop teaching it and maybe the Earth would be a better place, but unfortunately religion isn't going away, so neither is the hate and violence.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I agree. Everyone thinks everyone else is wrong. But only one side is illegally occupying the land of other people. Only one side is *systematically* denying another people of basic human rights. Only one side is capable of enforcing an illegal air land and sea siege on the other.

Applying international law is the right thing to do. Only once law is established in terms of the halting of illegal settlements and lifting of the illegal siege and occupation, can progress be made.

[imanglo]

no one has to tell the israelis not to trust muslims they have had to put up with the scum for decades. now britain and america are learning the hard way. but the best lessons are learnt the hard way.

never trust a muslim.

[methenium]

Up the RA, and the Pa!

[mercedescl]

Both sides are fighting to justify their versions of peace. Then there is no peace.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

The Palestinian version of peace is in accord with normal human rights and the requirements of an independent sovereign nation state with self-determination by its' citizens.

The Israeli version of peace is apparently to continue the process of illegal occupation and settling of their own citizens on illegally occupied land.

One of these versions of peace makes rational sense and offers justice for all, the other does not.

[mercedescl]

There will be no peace if no side wants to sacrifice on Jerusalem and refugee issues. Can you tell me why Israelis with all those military arsenals, existing settlements and 16 m high walls will make concession to Palestinian clauses? We can have morale judgement as much as we want, but the reality on ground means Palestinians have to face the choice of the lesser evil/ damages.

[Ezzedeen01]

fuck off chink

[whypatcondellisntfun]

It is not for the Palestinians to 'sacrifice anything'. The United Nations designated that Jerusalem be a city under 'international' jurisdiction, so would be owned by neither Israel nor Palestine. Nothing I've seen changes that fact.

The right of return of refugees is written into international law, it is not for the Palestinians to 'sacrifice' them as nobody in the world is entitled to 'sacrifice' the rights of anybody else.

Israel should comply with international law. That is all.

[mercedescl]

Funny? Under what kind of international laws, terrorists can justify the attacks on innocent civilians? International laws can only carry as far as someone can enforce them. Obviously, Jerusaleum is under Israelis de facto control; obviously, all the good lands in the West Bank is also under Israelis de facto control. 

What can you do about it? More terrorists attack only lead to more sufferring and international backfire. And Israelis will justify the occupation as the buffer zone. Get real

[whypatcondellisntfun]

The terrorists are also breaking international law. Nobody said they aren't. But they are resisting an illegal occupation.

The State of Israel is a sovereign state with an army, navy and air force, Palestine is not a sovereign state, no army, navy or air force. It is illegally occupied by Israel so the Palestinians are resisting occupation, genocide and displacement, and destruction of their land and homes.

Perhaps somebody should have told the French resistance to 'get real' in World War II?

[mercedescl]

But the fact is, Israelis have moved in and they are here to stay. Unless big political momentum change or miracles happen, I doubt there is a political will to forcibly remove 400,000 settlers. In the mean time, as long as Palestinians continue to "resist", every Palestinians will suffer.

"Illegally occupied" is only a pedantic term; the international political norms is to maintain the status quo, not justice nor fair with no spare expenses.

[cryoslave88]

are jews a race or a religion? I believe them to be a religious sect, therefore i am an anti-semite. I hope that term is not offensive to all semitic peoples. I despise racism.

[Malgorzata64]

It's a religion and a culture. Not all Jews are religious, but they still - mostly - accept the cultural traditions. Antisemite literally means that one is against the semitic groups - which includes Arabs too. If I'm not mistaken Semite refers to people who speak semitic languages, so that would be linguistic classification. And I guess there are more complex aspects too, but this is not a place to discuss them.

I'm not an antisemite or even anti-jew. But I hate Israels policies.

[cryoslave88]

I agree with you. Reviewing my previous comments, I believe was being misleading. I was really trying to point out the phenomenon of when Israel is criticised, Zionists immediately refer to the individual as anti-semitic. I consider this to be an abuse of language and objective thought. In the end the criminal nature of the Israeli state is not lost on the informed people in the world.

[crystal357]

Thanks to israel everyone is learning abou zionism and its agenda.

Keep doing what you do israel cause it sure isnt helping your cause.

[heavy246]

Israel is the root of all Evil