Ironically, in the sidebar on my screen is a video about objective and subjective morality. Go clutter that video up with your bs argument :p /watch?v=44ilZq3R900&feature=related
DarkMatter, your videos are great :) Thanks for taking the time to point out the bible's many idiocies.
Ironically, in the sidebar on my screen is a video about objective and subjective morality. Go clutter that video up with your bs argument :p youtube.com/watch?v=44ilZq3R900&feature=related
DarkMatter, your videos are great :) Thanks for taking the time to point out the bible's many idiocies.
I believe Jesus is meant to be an example, and also that a God who claims to love would not send people to hell, ecspecially based of of something so stupid as whether you follow Christianity.
This is a misrepresentation of God's justice and grace. Also, how does justice work in the atheistic worldview in these same scenarios? For example, The 2 men who killed Emmit Till back in 1955 (look it up if you aren't familiar), were acquitted of his murder (but admitted to it afterward). They went on to have normal lives and to my understanding were unapologetic up until their deaths. Where's the justice in that in the atheistic view?
There is no atheistic view, it's the absence of faith, they do not believe in god. So there is no atheist point of view to speak of, apart from not believing in god. Atheist themselves might have different ideas about justice, each has their own political point of view. Atheism isn't a religion, it has no ancient old ste of written rules.
Personally I prefer reason, logic, discussion and democracy to come to rules about justice.
@andrewpum I guess at the end of the day my point is I find an atheist preaching about what good justice is puzzling when in the first place he must take the position that wrong and right is relative, and that we are merely animals who act on our natural impulses. If this is so, why should we be so concerned about justice? Who are we trying to be?
@usernameavilable But see that's the irony of it all...My stance is human's are created in God's image and have the capacity to do good. Noone is saying that an atheist can't be good. Any believer or unbeliever doing good to me is he/she exhibiting innate traits from his/her maker.Its an atheist's position that leaves room for the alternative, and what you project on me (though of course there is no absolute good or bad in your view, its just relative)
@erfbgu Just think about what you have just said. "Humans created in god's image" Now, you claim that your god exists outside of the material world. So why does a god need arms, legs, ears, nose, eyes, genitals, hair, teeth etc, when these are things that HUMANS need to live on a planet with gravity, sounds, smells, light, sex, food etc, - and all that boring old physical stuff. Isn't is OBVIOUS to someone with a functioning brain that GOD WAS MADE IN MANS IMAGE!
@erfbgu Good is what promotes well-being and happiness, bad is what promotes suffering - even chimps understand this (I have seen the experiments) and you would understand it too if you had a go at thinking for yourself, without expecting to be TOLD right from wrong all the time. This makes you vulnerable to people who will lie to you for their own benefit.
@erfbgu It does, once a species becomes social, but there are exceptions for various reasons - chimps for example attack chimps from other groups because they are seen as a threat, but not often within the same group unless it is a struggle for territory or females. Bats share food - not all bats return from hunting with food, so the ones with food give food to the others, so they have also developed the skill of recognising faces so they remember who owes what so that no-one cheats.
@RealiveProds So at some point and in some instances according to you darwinian evolution is good. But at another point and in other instances it isn't and its outright cruel/evil?
@erfbgu Darwinian evolution serves to benefit the genes, not the individual, which is why we have more altruism for closer relatives, because they share more of our genes. This has actually been quantified in experiments. Nature is cruel, Darwin said "red in tooth and claw", the concepts of justice and fairness only come about when a species becomes social.
@RealiveProds Ok but it seems this goes back to the idea that good and bad is relative and this says its not necessarily what promotes hapiness and well-being. Because if justice only comes about when a species becomes social then what about species who have not developed the social instinct? And if this is so then we can say that justice is subjective and that it could be whatever we want it to be.
@erfbgu Humans have a very developed social instinct, because when we lived in smaller social groups, it was beneficial to everyone to be altruistic, because it was likely that the good deed would be repaid (we also have a good memory for faces) - so we developed (most of us) an instinct to be nice to each other - which is why it "feels good" to do a good deed - pleasure hormones are released in the brain - but in different amounts in different people.
@erfbgu Otherwise - the human race would never have survived before "god" came along and told us right from wrong. If we had been killing each other without remorse for hundreds of thousands of years, then would have become extinct long ago.
"Does darwinian evolution promote well-being and happiness?"
No it doesn't...and it's not supposed to either. It has absolutely nothing to do with either of those things. Might as well ask if your keychain promotes well-being and happiness....
Because he's emphasizing a particular result of evolution (ie "once a species becomes social...etc"), which isn't the same thing as evolution. Evolution only favors what works best...sometimes it's "well-being" and other times it's "how to kill things faster". Evolution is blind, so to speak.
True, but evoluiton still doesn't "care" about "well being" and "justice" and such...it's just one trend out of many. "Killing things quickly" is another trend that results from evolution.
The question posed is difficult to answer because you said 'real world' by which i assume means earthy (not heavenly) yet the man burning (hell) and the rapist going free (salvation) are heavenly topics that can not be implemented by man but by god only.
It is 'okay in my !@#$ing religion' because all sinners receive gods grace, not just rapists. We are all sinners so if we condemn 1 rapist to die, by that reasoning all humans must die.
@Gebert11 It's interesting to me how almost every believer claims to be following a loving, just, good, righteous God (be it Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever), but when confronted with the facts this is not the case, they will retreat into a 'we can't understand' rather than being honest about the evidence.
"We are all sinners so if we condemn 1 rapist to die, by that reasoning all humans must die." That's not 'reasoning'...that's lunacy based on lunacy.
@TheHigherVoltage Many believers 'are' "...being honest..." by admitting they can't understand "...the evidence." And there is a reason for lunacy, yes? That reason would be not allowing sinners the opportunity to repent of their sins and receive salvation. That is why we all deserve another chance to seek god each time we sin (like the rapist), even if under house-arrest or in jail. But if we kill sinners, we deprive them of genuinely receiving god's grace and Jesus' righteousness.
@Gebert11 " And there is a reason for lunacy, yes?"
The reason you give are lunacy. No loving God creates eternal torture for finite crimes. No just God rewards/punishes people on what they believe instead of what they do.
There may be God(s) - however they are not found in the backwards delusions of Christianity, or Islam, or Hinduism, or Zeusism, or any man-made godcult we've come up with so far.
@Gebert11 the fact is, if there is no proof of immortal, laws of physics controling creature, you cant be sure he really exists. Its called "basic logic."
@ObjectiveImpact You're absolutely right. If humans could prove without a doubt 100% god did exist, everyone would be proud and confident in their own abilities, no-one would need faith. But faith is important in worshipping god because to god it demonstrates the willingness of people to actively seek a better life as opposed to securing a gaurentee of heaven and insurance from hell.
@Gebert11 "If humans could prove without a doubt 100% god did exist, everyone would be proud and confident in their own abilities, no-one would need faith."
How is that suppose to make sense? Your mythology is filled with stories of your God demonstrating himself to people, and people still not believing.
If God(s) wanted us to know about them, they'd let us know about them. They wouldn't say 'you must have faith...even though it's the same faith it takes to believe in false gods'.
@TheHigherVoltage Faith is belief with a lack of facts and knowledge. Many areas in peoples lives are lacking understanding. Yet we place confidence in the options we desire so we can improve our lot, even if it may be more risky than the current situation. We put faith in it. Alternatively, we can be held back from what we desire by 10% of doubt because it is not a logical gaurentee of success. God is beyond human logic so holding logic higher than faith is holding humans higher than god.
@Gebert11 "Faith is belief with a lack of facts and knowledge."
That's what it takes to defend lies and believe they are true. And, especially with religious faith, it's not only a lack of facts, it's avoiding facts. It's misrepresenting facts.
" Yet we place confidence in the options we desire..." Wanting desires to be true does not make them true.
Faith =/= God. If it did, every religion and superstition -ever- would be 'God'.
@TheHigherVoltage I agree, misrepresenting facts has always been an issue in christianity (many denominations). Though i don't think biblical scholars purposely avoid facts. Some facts are interpreted differently which makes it difficult to understand their significance in peoples lives. I don't understand how desires can be 'true'. Can there ever be a false desire? Everyone has their own desires and expectations and do not need consensus from others to affirm their own thoughts.
@Gebert11 " Though i don't think biblical scholars purposely avoid facts." They have no choice, they have to. eg. The valid, testable, repeatable evidence points to mankind evolving over millions of years...and directly opposes the idea that mankind was created with no precursors less than 10,000 years ago.
You said "we place confidence in the options we desire" which is not believing reality, it's believing what we wish to be reality.
@TheHigherVoltage I think biblical scholars could not have avoided a big topic such as evolution. God don't mention evolution and so it is not the biblical scholars responsibilty to try to 'fit it in' with christianity. Evolution is fine, but i think there are more threatening things for the church such as the role of the papacy in rome and the pope. Our belief is a reality, i 'really' believe in god. God does not exist on earth in our reality, only jesus did. He is our reality. In him we trust.
@Gebert11 "I think biblical scholars could not have avoided a big topic such as evolution." Literalists don't avoid evolution - they lie about the evidence for it. Selective bible followers, educated on the facts of evolution, reconcile the science and the bible myths by calling Genesis metaphorical.
@Gebert11 " i 'really' believe in god. God does not exist on earth in our reality,"
So who was the God of the OT walking around and talking with people?
"There are 1000's of scientific studies providing 'evidence' for many faculties that scientists struggle to agree on." Not really no. Sure there's always a few in every crowd that think a wheel is a box, but the scientific consensus is solid on the facts we can prove.
@TheHigherVoltage What does OT mean? Newton's 3 scientific findings are the only laws of science, everything else is a theory. However, since Newton, gravity had been found to not only be considered a pulling force. Consensus dosn't prove science. And science dosn't disprove religion because it relies on experiment and observation. Testing god's will it beyond science's capabilities.
I find it interesting that religious people rely on science for virtually every aspect of their lives....but when it comes to religion, suddenly 1+1 isn't suppose to equal 2 any more.
Science isn't needed to disprove religion - religion does a good enough job of disproving itself on it's own.
@Gebert11 You claim that belief 'decodes' the bible via a magic spirit. Of course, this requires forgetting the fact there are 36,000+ Christian sects that don't agree on what the bible supposedly says.
And of course, within those sects, I could take any 2 believers, ask them to 'give me the meanings' of any number of passages, and get completely different answers.
@Gebert11 And it just occurred to me...1 Corinthians 14:33..."For God is not a God of confusion but of peace." The bible also claims believers will have the Holy Spirit guiding them in interpreting the book.
As you point out...thousands of interpretations. I would argue, if questioned, every Christian will have different interpretations of anything the bible says. And Christianity has a long history of Christians killing Christians over interpretations.
@Gebert11 Wouldn't it have been really great if the bible said something that was later proved to be TRUE by science? The creation myth - could have so easily said that the earth formed over billions of years, and that life was the product of billions of years of evolution. But no - it just delivers nonsense that sprang from the retarded minds of desert dwelling, postulating half-wits - way before Galileo came along and suggested that it might be a good thing to base ideas on reality.
@Gebert11 (CONT) If there are God(s), faith is not a path to them. A million+ conflicting faith religions is proof of that.
If there are real God(s), they're found in the verfiable facts and in the reasoning ability of the human brain - not in faith. Remember - it takes faith to believe God has 72 virgins waiting for you in paradise, if you suicide bomb a school bus.
That's the same faith you employ...it's just faith in different non-sense.
@TheHigherVoltage I do not desire or expect 72 virgins in heaven for suicide bombing a school bus. I desire eternal life filled with peace and love in communion with the dead in the presence of the heavenly father and son for seeking god to guide my thoughts, words and deeds befitting the image of Jesus - an image of humility, forgiveness and sacrifice. We live in reality just like Jesus did before ascending into heaven. He awaits our coming with excitement.
@Gebert11 "I do not desire or expect 72 virgins in heaven for suicide bombing a school bus. I desire...."
It doesn't matter what you desire...if you desire it on faith, and against evidence, it's a delusion. No different than the faith it takes to believe the Muslim afterlife delusion.
Personally, I don't care what you believe, or what terrorists believe. It's when it's forced on others...that's when I care. And it's what both godcults do.
@TheHigherVoltage Good thing i don't deny evidence. There are 1000's of scientific studies providing 'evidence' for many faculties that scientists struggle to agree on. Likewise, christianity has 1000's of stories that many biblical scholars struggle to agree on. One might say carbon taxing is being forced on countries, we can't vote for this legislation, yet we are free to believe or not. I cannot understand 'how' religion is forced on others. It is a shared gift to be 'freely' taken or left.
@Gebert11 "I cannot understand 'how' religion is forced on others."
Really? Study how religion operates in every theocracy there is. Be it Christian, Muslim, or other.
For myself, there's many times I have to pretend I'm a Christian, otherwise, I'd lose my livelihood. And I know I'm not alone. Force to conform (at least in appearance) or be ousted.
"It is a shared gift to be 'freely' taken or left." There's no theistic religion that claims this. All have mandates to convert the world.
@TheHigherVoltage ""It is a shared gift to be 'freely' taken or left." There's no theistic religion that claims this. All have mandates to convert the world." This sentense cancels itself out. If religion seeks to covert the world, the word of god must be shared so people are aware of such a offer. But those in office have power over the people, religious or not. We need to take responsibility for the consequences. i may be taxed for carbon which i dont like but not worth rioting over or death.
@Gebert11 And faith enables the really pious to fly planes into buildings. Faith is a poison, that infects the minds of otherwise good and well-meaning people. Only faith causes good people to do bad things.
@Gebert11 bla bla bla bla yet you are 100% sure about something, about what you simply cant be 100% sure. Like I havent been in that room, but I am 100% sure whos in it. This means that you people dont fallow logic. If you dont fallow logic you are dangerous because modern world is based on logic
@ObjectiveImpact Capitalism is surely not based on logic. Developers risk money on a large scale based on a small amount of existing market research and a big expectation of the market taking a specific route in the future. Murderers sentenced to imprisonment instead of death happens in the modern world, that is not logical (eye for eye), it an expectation for change. I do follow logic but i don't allow it to get in the way of my freedom to expect good things from life and the people in it.
@iculus1972 The question posed in the video description is a hypothetical of what humans can do with god's powers. I think this an absurd question because such a situation has never occurred and is generally expected by atheists and theists alike to never occur. Also, it is impossible to predict what people would do with never-before used power. It's like asking someone what the american justice system would be like if we were all able to teleport between heaven and earth by twisting our finger.
For an even worse case, if the woman was pregnant due to rape, and if she abort the baby, she's going to hell (or she can choose to raise the baby alone w/ all kinds of discrimination towards them)... Another excuse for man to rape... Sexist!
If biblical justice would have been followed accurately, the rapist would have been forced to pay the father of his rape victim 50 shillings and marry her
Shouldn't the judge have forced the two of them to get married? Or rather, stoned the rape victim to death because the claim would've been made that she didn't yell out loudly enough? I guess that wasn't the point you were trying to make, but the bible makes both of the these claims.
The 1st half demonstrates the tolerance of THUGGERY within Xianity.
The 2nd half demonstrates the intolerance of SANE, ETHICALLY APPROPRIATE, MORAL RESPONSIBILITY within Xianity.
BOTTOM LINE: Christianity supports THUGS and penalizes the TRULY MORAL.
If you think that I am lying, go and check out the story of Abraham and Isaac. God first assesses Abraham's ability to commit atrocity, like any mob boss might, then spares the child to drive home the point that only he grants favors.
So we can conclude that God really hates humans or God is evil or God does not know everything. And the fact that Satan still exists even after thousands of years (according to the bible) proves that either God cant kill or destroy Satan, which means he's not all powerful, or he doesn't want to which means he's pure evil.
So logically it is safe to conclude that god does not exist.
@RaguXT Or the two forces are actually in colusion with eachother. God created lucifer to be the fall guy. So he could take te blame. Interesting, but then again such beings do not exist in my opinion and findings.
@RIDDLERonRITALIN you mean people invented lucifer to be the fall guy, so that god would not be seen evil. and I totally agree with your last point! xD
@Antiks72 god only cares about justice. 2 people can't have sex unless they're married. this shit actually happened according to garbage, i mean the bible
@rira916 So I'm about to starve to death and I steal a candy bar to get by, but I get caught. That (stealing a candy bar) entitles god to burn me forever because I didn't believe in JEEZIS???
"jesus is love" cat in the hat is love, wheene the pooh is love, the only difference is littlle children arent going to wheene the pooh church and toold he is all mighty and real.
i'll gladly go to hell, spirits cants burn feel pain nor can they be touched not so bad,then soon after a tolerance would be buit. Heaven dosentt sound bad either but its worse, After ristricting your tiny mortal life (lol) why would you want to go to a place and do ALL of the EXACT same things as you could do when you were alive like, im pretty sure you cant go to heaven and just start fucking loads of women while drinking bud weiser and...you know what i think you get. One life don't waste it
this does not work because A Nazi would not rape a black girl they would see it as contaminating themselves. Further biblical law would require him to marry the girl and pay the father.
@Deadmeat703 do people read what I say, or do you just read the first bit them assume I am a creationist christian? what am I making excuses for? if you read the second sentance you would see I clearly am not a christian. I have put much time into studying Nazism and Christianity and do not like to see them mis represented. I am opposed to both but once you do research on it you become similar to a Grammar Nazi.
@paramattic70 Eve is just as much human as Adam was? How is being fully God and fully man a problem? with God all things are possible. Thirdly the Bible says that the consequences for our sins are played our naturally here on Earth. Hence you go to jail for raping someone. But if you are completely remade by Christ then you indeed are not the same person who raped somebody. But a new person in Christ Jesus. The Christian faith is all about being reborn by grace because of His love
"So as sin entered into the world through one man (Adam) by his sin, so grace would enter through the whole world by his grace (Jesus Christ)" paraphrasing from Romans. And that grace is the death on the cross. And yes I know many other "gods" were crucified and have similair stories to Jesus. But satan is wise. And he will deceive you if you do not have the truth. "I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life" Jesus Christ said. And also did any of those "gods" die out of love to redeem us? no
@Mcgif21 What exactly is he "redeeming" us from? His own torture chamber, where he chooses to send us. And I guess I'll ask again, why dose god need a human sacrifice before he can forgive me for any wrong I've done to him?
@styot God is redeeming us from ourselves. The whole essence of the Bible is this: Humans our evil. The universe is fallen. God is redeeming us from our sins (lying, stealing, killing, raping, porn, drunkeness, and sexual abominations). When God created the world he said "it is good" but when the Fall happened it was broken. So Christ is redeeming us from our fallen nature (to rebel against God) and is giving us a totaly new spirit (hence the name "born againg Christian).
@styot And again I will say "the wages of sin is death" and when God said this he means eternal seperation from God in hell. So when Jesus (Imanuel, God with us) died for us. It was God himself filling the gap between us and Him. Yes God could of just forgiven us without dying and sending people to hell. But he cannot love what is evil. So he is creating a new spirit within us (the holy spirit) that is "good" just as His creation in the begining "it is good"
Ya Jesus was the son of God. But he was God Himself in human form. Also God keeps his promises saying from the begining "if you eat this fruit you will surely die" both physically and spiritually. Our physical selves along with the universe will fade away and inevitably be destroyed. But when Jesus died for us, living a perfectly good life, he made it possible for us to do good by His spirit that is in us.
@Mcgif21 Then why did God even put that tree there in the first place? He alredy knows if they will eat from the tree if he puts it there for "he is all knowing". That's just sadistic.
God does demand for torture and blood. he says kill your son and you do it to not be in hell. that is no savior nor for a damned son that did sacrifice himself.
The problem with this misrepresentation is a misunderstanding of the Bible's teaching on justification. The Bible teaches that God made man good, to serve him and love him, but man chooses evil. Restoration is made when the price of sin is paid for in Jesus. The crime is against God, not others, so only God can pay the price and restore (forgive) relationships.
@rira916 Ok, so why dose god have to have a man tortured and murdered before he can forgive people? Human sacrifice 101, I'm sure you'd find it repulsive and immoral if it were present in any other religion. And why dose God torture people for eternity if he chooses not to forgive them? Non of that is moral.
@styot God doesn't demand for anyone to be tortured before forgiveness. The Bible simply states that "the wages of sin is death," meaning that payment for sin against God must be atoned for by blood. Blood symbolizes life (Deut. 12), so the sacrifice of (animal) blood is used as a picture of sin payment. Blood to us is ghastly, horrible and offensive; that is what sin is to God...he hates it. And God doesn't torture people by choice-he gives them the freedom to choose, him or Satan.
@rira916 Then why dose he torture people in hell as punishment for sin? As I said, it's animal and human sacrifice in belief that it will please God, it's immoral. Blood for the blood God! And there is no freedom to choose, you choose God or are tortured for eternity, what kind of choice is that? Compulsory love?
@styot Clarify for me what you believe a/b the idea of hell. People have a lot of ideas about hell, especially of it being primarily a place of fire & torture, but the Bible actually uses various descriptions of it, most often Hades or Sheol, which simply mean, "place of the dead." In one place (2 Thess. 1:9), hell is also described as separation from God, which would suit those who chose to reject him while alive.
2 Thess. 1: 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 " flaming fire taking vengeance" This is one of many many passages that describe Hell has fire and torture.
@styot And without context, it is a troubling passage. The backdrop to this letter is a letter to a church that is being persecuted (killed, beheaded, tortured, etc) by the society around them that hated Christianity. It is written to encourage the persecuted, that despite the torture, God is still for them, and will defend them when the final judgement comes, and each man/woman gives account for his/her actions. It only makes sense, if God is true, that he repays those that kill his children.
@styot "Gehenna" is another hell-word used, simply referring to a historical place outside Jerusalem where trash & dead animals were burned. Jesus referred to it often in stories and explanations. It was used to explain how works will be judged. In your worldview, there will be no ultimate justice for rapists, murderers, child molesters, abusers, etc. In a biblical worldview, Gehenna is a place where works will be tried by fire, to judge the motives behind actions, and to give justice for evil.
@rira916 It isn't about justice, the only criteria for redemption or damnation is faith. Rapists, murderers, child molesters can and presumable do go to heaven if they have the correct faith, while a great man like Gandhi is presumable in hell being torture for his lack of faith.
@styot You say it yourself, "the only criteria for redemption or damnation is faith," therefore Ghandi or any of the offenders have/had the same opportunity for salvation. How would that be unjust?
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Ironically, in the sidebar on my screen is a video about objective and subjective morality. Go clutter that video up with your bs argument :p /watch?v=44ilZq3R900&feature=related
DarkMatter, your videos are great :) Thanks for taking the time to point out the bible's many idiocies.
arethkyntaul 2 hours ago
Ironically, in the sidebar on my screen is a video about objective and subjective morality. Go clutter that video up with your bs argument :p youtube.com/watch?v=44ilZq3R900&feature=related
DarkMatter, your videos are great :) Thanks for taking the time to point out the bible's many idiocies.
arethkyntaul 2 hours ago
LOL
angellicvoices 1 day ago
come on, the need to show that joke jesse some real pain
HortonIsWhoIAm 2 days ago
I would shoot the rapist and then I would shoot jesse
HortonIsWhoIAm 2 days ago
Fucking hilarious!!!!
dndamn 2 days ago
I believe Jesus is meant to be an example, and also that a God who claims to love would not send people to hell, ecspecially based of of something so stupid as whether you follow Christianity.
embraceyourinnerdino 2 days ago
bruce lee sounds!!!!!
funterms7 3 days ago
brilliant
beyallluv 3 days ago
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George Carlin jokes !!!
CrusaderDom3 3 days ago
I agree if this isn't okay in the real world, why would it be okay in the after life? O_o...
cureforthemind 4 days ago
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curtst 5 days ago
This is a misrepresentation of God's justice and grace. Also, how does justice work in the atheistic worldview in these same scenarios? For example, The 2 men who killed Emmit Till back in 1955 (look it up if you aren't familiar), were acquitted of his murder (but admitted to it afterward). They went on to have normal lives and to my understanding were unapologetic up until their deaths. Where's the justice in that in the atheistic view?
erfbgu 6 days ago
@erfbgu
There is no atheistic view, it's the absence of faith, they do not believe in god. So there is no atheist point of view to speak of, apart from not believing in god. Atheist themselves might have different ideas about justice, each has their own political point of view. Atheism isn't a religion, it has no ancient old ste of written rules.
Personally I prefer reason, logic, discussion and democracy to come to rules about justice.
Grofvolkoren 5 days ago
@Grofvolkoren Fine. Where is the justice in the Emmit Till murder against the perpetrators?
erfbgu 5 days ago
@erfbgu There is no justice in that situation; two guys murdered someone and got away with it. What's your point?
andrewpum 5 days ago
@andrewpum I guess at the end of the day my point is I find an atheist preaching about what good justice is puzzling when in the first place he must take the position that wrong and right is relative, and that we are merely animals who act on our natural impulses. If this is so, why should we be so concerned about justice? Who are we trying to be?
erfbgu 5 days ago
@erfbgu Spoken like a theist that doesn't value life. If you can't be good by your own accord, you're probably psychotic.
usernameavilable 5 days ago
@usernameavilable *psychopathic
usernameavilable 5 days ago
@usernameavilable But see that's the irony of it all...My stance is human's are created in God's image and have the capacity to do good. Noone is saying that an atheist can't be good. Any believer or unbeliever doing good to me is he/she exhibiting innate traits from his/her maker.Its an atheist's position that leaves room for the alternative, and what you project on me (though of course there is no absolute good or bad in your view, its just relative)
erfbgu 5 days ago
@erfbgu Just think about what you have just said. "Humans created in god's image" Now, you claim that your god exists outside of the material world. So why does a god need arms, legs, ears, nose, eyes, genitals, hair, teeth etc, when these are things that HUMANS need to live on a planet with gravity, sounds, smells, light, sex, food etc, - and all that boring old physical stuff. Isn't is OBVIOUS to someone with a functioning brain that GOD WAS MADE IN MANS IMAGE!
RealiveProds 4 days ago
@erfbgu Good is what promotes well-being and happiness, bad is what promotes suffering - even chimps understand this (I have seen the experiments) and you would understand it too if you had a go at thinking for yourself, without expecting to be TOLD right from wrong all the time. This makes you vulnerable to people who will lie to you for their own benefit.
RealiveProds 4 days ago
@RealiveProds Does darwinian evolution promote well-being and happiness?
erfbgu 4 days ago
@erfbgu It does, once a species becomes social, but there are exceptions for various reasons - chimps for example attack chimps from other groups because they are seen as a threat, but not often within the same group unless it is a struggle for territory or females. Bats share food - not all bats return from hunting with food, so the ones with food give food to the others, so they have also developed the skill of recognising faces so they remember who owes what so that no-one cheats.
RealiveProds 4 days ago
@RealiveProds So at some point and in some instances according to you darwinian evolution is good. But at another point and in other instances it isn't and its outright cruel/evil?
erfbgu 3 days ago
@erfbgu Darwinian evolution serves to benefit the genes, not the individual, which is why we have more altruism for closer relatives, because they share more of our genes. This has actually been quantified in experiments. Nature is cruel, Darwin said "red in tooth and claw", the concepts of justice and fairness only come about when a species becomes social.
RealiveProds 2 days ago
@RealiveProds Ok but it seems this goes back to the idea that good and bad is relative and this says its not necessarily what promotes hapiness and well-being. Because if justice only comes about when a species becomes social then what about species who have not developed the social instinct? And if this is so then we can say that justice is subjective and that it could be whatever we want it to be.
erfbgu 1 day ago
@erfbgu Humans have a very developed social instinct, because when we lived in smaller social groups, it was beneficial to everyone to be altruistic, because it was likely that the good deed would be repaid (we also have a good memory for faces) - so we developed (most of us) an instinct to be nice to each other - which is why it "feels good" to do a good deed - pleasure hormones are released in the brain - but in different amounts in different people.
RealiveProds 4 days ago
@erfbgu Otherwise - the human race would never have survived before "god" came along and told us right from wrong. If we had been killing each other without remorse for hundreds of thousands of years, then would have become extinct long ago.
RealiveProds 4 days ago
@erfbgu
"Does darwinian evolution promote well-being and happiness?"
No it doesn't...and it's not supposed to either. It has absolutely nothing to do with either of those things. Might as well ask if your keychain promotes well-being and happiness....
LordQuixote 3 days ago
@LordQuixote Why are you right but RealiveProds is wrong (he beleives atleast in some cases that it does)?
erfbgu 3 days ago
@erfbgu
Because he's emphasizing a particular result of evolution (ie "once a species becomes social...etc"), which isn't the same thing as evolution. Evolution only favors what works best...sometimes it's "well-being" and other times it's "how to kill things faster". Evolution is blind, so to speak.
LordQuixote 1 day ago
@LordQuixote Ok. But you agree justice comes about when a species becomes social, this makes justice relative.
erfbgu 1 day ago
@erfbgu
True, but evoluiton still doesn't "care" about "well being" and "justice" and such...it's just one trend out of many. "Killing things quickly" is another trend that results from evolution.
LordQuixote 12 hours ago
Pretty much sums it all up. Keep up the vids!
Bllackguard666 1 week ago
Swastika is backwards
DarthNemoLotS 1 week ago
From 2:00 to 2:12 It sounded a bit like Bruce Lee whooping ass
TheFockerizer 1 week ago
Not your best work, but the point is well made.
bleanard 1 week ago
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god is trash
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JuaaOBR 1 week ago
If you were a Preist and it was a little boy there wouldn't be a trial.
Growapair4once 1 week ago
This Is Sooooo Stupid -___________- Whoever Made This.......You Need JESUS!
starsha211 1 week ago
@starsha211 This is what the "sacrifice" of Jesus is all about. Nobody "needs" Jesus.
sfhogel 1 week ago 3
The question posed is difficult to answer because you said 'real world' by which i assume means earthy (not heavenly) yet the man burning (hell) and the rapist going free (salvation) are heavenly topics that can not be implemented by man but by god only.
It is 'okay in my !@#$ing religion' because all sinners receive gods grace, not just rapists. We are all sinners so if we condemn 1 rapist to die, by that reasoning all humans must die.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 It's interesting to me how almost every believer claims to be following a loving, just, good, righteous God (be it Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever), but when confronted with the facts this is not the case, they will retreat into a 'we can't understand' rather than being honest about the evidence.
"We are all sinners so if we condemn 1 rapist to die, by that reasoning all humans must die." That's not 'reasoning'...that's lunacy based on lunacy.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage Many believers 'are' "...being honest..." by admitting they can't understand "...the evidence." And there is a reason for lunacy, yes? That reason would be not allowing sinners the opportunity to repent of their sins and receive salvation. That is why we all deserve another chance to seek god each time we sin (like the rapist), even if under house-arrest or in jail. But if we kill sinners, we deprive them of genuinely receiving god's grace and Jesus' righteousness.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 " And there is a reason for lunacy, yes?"
The reason you give are lunacy. No loving God creates eternal torture for finite crimes. No just God rewards/punishes people on what they believe instead of what they do.
There may be God(s) - however they are not found in the backwards delusions of Christianity, or Islam, or Hinduism, or Zeusism, or any man-made godcult we've come up with so far.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@Gebert11 the fact is, if there is no proof of immortal, laws of physics controling creature, you cant be sure he really exists. Its called "basic logic."
ObjectiveImpact 1 week ago
@ObjectiveImpact You're absolutely right. If humans could prove without a doubt 100% god did exist, everyone would be proud and confident in their own abilities, no-one would need faith. But faith is important in worshipping god because to god it demonstrates the willingness of people to actively seek a better life as opposed to securing a gaurentee of heaven and insurance from hell.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 "If humans could prove without a doubt 100% god did exist, everyone would be proud and confident in their own abilities, no-one would need faith."
How is that suppose to make sense? Your mythology is filled with stories of your God demonstrating himself to people, and people still not believing.
If God(s) wanted us to know about them, they'd let us know about them. They wouldn't say 'you must have faith...even though it's the same faith it takes to believe in false gods'.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage Faith is belief with a lack of facts and knowledge. Many areas in peoples lives are lacking understanding. Yet we place confidence in the options we desire so we can improve our lot, even if it may be more risky than the current situation. We put faith in it. Alternatively, we can be held back from what we desire by 10% of doubt because it is not a logical gaurentee of success. God is beyond human logic so holding logic higher than faith is holding humans higher than god.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 "Faith is belief with a lack of facts and knowledge."
That's what it takes to defend lies and believe they are true. And, especially with religious faith, it's not only a lack of facts, it's avoiding facts. It's misrepresenting facts.
" Yet we place confidence in the options we desire..." Wanting desires to be true does not make them true.
Faith =/= God. If it did, every religion and superstition -ever- would be 'God'.
Faith = believing non-sense is true.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage I agree, misrepresenting facts has always been an issue in christianity (many denominations). Though i don't think biblical scholars purposely avoid facts. Some facts are interpreted differently which makes it difficult to understand their significance in peoples lives. I don't understand how desires can be 'true'. Can there ever be a false desire? Everyone has their own desires and expectations and do not need consensus from others to affirm their own thoughts.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 " Though i don't think biblical scholars purposely avoid facts." They have no choice, they have to. eg. The valid, testable, repeatable evidence points to mankind evolving over millions of years...and directly opposes the idea that mankind was created with no precursors less than 10,000 years ago.
You said "we place confidence in the options we desire" which is not believing reality, it's believing what we wish to be reality.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage I think biblical scholars could not have avoided a big topic such as evolution. God don't mention evolution and so it is not the biblical scholars responsibilty to try to 'fit it in' with christianity. Evolution is fine, but i think there are more threatening things for the church such as the role of the papacy in rome and the pope. Our belief is a reality, i 'really' believe in god. God does not exist on earth in our reality, only jesus did. He is our reality. In him we trust.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 "I think biblical scholars could not have avoided a big topic such as evolution." Literalists don't avoid evolution - they lie about the evidence for it. Selective bible followers, educated on the facts of evolution, reconcile the science and the bible myths by calling Genesis metaphorical.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@Gebert11 " i 'really' believe in god. God does not exist on earth in our reality,"
So who was the God of the OT walking around and talking with people?
"There are 1000's of scientific studies providing 'evidence' for many faculties that scientists struggle to agree on." Not really no. Sure there's always a few in every crowd that think a wheel is a box, but the scientific consensus is solid on the facts we can prove.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage What does OT mean? Newton's 3 scientific findings are the only laws of science, everything else is a theory. However, since Newton, gravity had been found to not only be considered a pulling force. Consensus dosn't prove science. And science dosn't disprove religion because it relies on experiment and observation. Testing god's will it beyond science's capabilities.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 what about the laws of thermo dynamics...?
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@FubarLikeYou don't know about them.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 OT = Old Testament.
Google 'Laws of Science.' You'll find dozens.
I find it interesting that religious people rely on science for virtually every aspect of their lives....but when it comes to religion, suddenly 1+1 isn't suppose to equal 2 any more.
Science isn't needed to disprove religion - religion does a good enough job of disproving itself on it's own.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago 13
@TheHigherVoltage i don't rely on science for virtually every aspect of my life.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 Even if you lived in a cave, the science behind hunting and gathering is what would keep you alive.
Either you don't get what science is, or are lying about it. Which one?
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage probly lying about it. science is always changing so i don't expect to know everything.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 everything is always changing.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@Gebert11 You claim that belief 'decodes' the bible via a magic spirit. Of course, this requires forgetting the fact there are 36,000+ Christian sects that don't agree on what the bible supposedly says.
And of course, within those sects, I could take any 2 believers, ask them to 'give me the meanings' of any number of passages, and get completely different answers.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@Gebert11 And it just occurred to me...1 Corinthians 14:33..."For God is not a God of confusion but of peace." The bible also claims believers will have the Holy Spirit guiding them in interpreting the book.
As you point out...thousands of interpretations. I would argue, if questioned, every Christian will have different interpretations of anything the bible says. And Christianity has a long history of Christians killing Christians over interpretations.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@Gebert11 Wouldn't it have been really great if the bible said something that was later proved to be TRUE by science? The creation myth - could have so easily said that the earth formed over billions of years, and that life was the product of billions of years of evolution. But no - it just delivers nonsense that sprang from the retarded minds of desert dwelling, postulating half-wits - way before Galileo came along and suggested that it might be a good thing to base ideas on reality.
RealiveProds 4 days ago
@Gebert11 (CONT) If there are God(s), faith is not a path to them. A million+ conflicting faith religions is proof of that.
If there are real God(s), they're found in the verfiable facts and in the reasoning ability of the human brain - not in faith. Remember - it takes faith to believe God has 72 virgins waiting for you in paradise, if you suicide bomb a school bus.
That's the same faith you employ...it's just faith in different non-sense.
We only improve our lot when we live in reality.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage I do not desire or expect 72 virgins in heaven for suicide bombing a school bus. I desire eternal life filled with peace and love in communion with the dead in the presence of the heavenly father and son for seeking god to guide my thoughts, words and deeds befitting the image of Jesus - an image of humility, forgiveness and sacrifice. We live in reality just like Jesus did before ascending into heaven. He awaits our coming with excitement.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 "I do not desire or expect 72 virgins in heaven for suicide bombing a school bus. I desire...."
It doesn't matter what you desire...if you desire it on faith, and against evidence, it's a delusion. No different than the faith it takes to believe the Muslim afterlife delusion.
Personally, I don't care what you believe, or what terrorists believe. It's when it's forced on others...that's when I care. And it's what both godcults do.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage Good thing i don't deny evidence. There are 1000's of scientific studies providing 'evidence' for many faculties that scientists struggle to agree on. Likewise, christianity has 1000's of stories that many biblical scholars struggle to agree on. One might say carbon taxing is being forced on countries, we can't vote for this legislation, yet we are free to believe or not. I cannot understand 'how' religion is forced on others. It is a shared gift to be 'freely' taken or left.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 "I cannot understand 'how' religion is forced on others."
Really? Study how religion operates in every theocracy there is. Be it Christian, Muslim, or other.
For myself, there's many times I have to pretend I'm a Christian, otherwise, I'd lose my livelihood. And I know I'm not alone. Force to conform (at least in appearance) or be ousted.
"It is a shared gift to be 'freely' taken or left." There's no theistic religion that claims this. All have mandates to convert the world.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
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@TheHigherVoltage ""It is a shared gift to be 'freely' taken or left." There's no theistic religion that claims this. All have mandates to convert the world." This sentense cancels itself out. If religion seeks to covert the world, the word of god must be shared so people are aware of such a offer. But those in office have power over the people, religious or not. We need to take responsibility for the consequences. i may be taxed for carbon which i dont like but not worth rioting over or death.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 And faith enables the really pious to fly planes into buildings. Faith is a poison, that infects the minds of otherwise good and well-meaning people. Only faith causes good people to do bad things.
RealiveProds 4 days ago
@Gebert11 bla bla bla bla yet you are 100% sure about something, about what you simply cant be 100% sure. Like I havent been in that room, but I am 100% sure whos in it. This means that you people dont fallow logic. If you dont fallow logic you are dangerous because modern world is based on logic
ObjectiveImpact 1 week ago
@ObjectiveImpact Capitalism is surely not based on logic. Developers risk money on a large scale based on a small amount of existing market research and a big expectation of the market taking a specific route in the future. Murderers sentenced to imprisonment instead of death happens in the modern world, that is not logical (eye for eye), it an expectation for change. I do follow logic but i don't allow it to get in the way of my freedom to expect good things from life and the people in it.
Gebert11 1 week ago
@Gebert11 WTF
iculus1972 1 week ago
@iculus1972 The question posed in the video description is a hypothetical of what humans can do with god's powers. I think this an absurd question because such a situation has never occurred and is generally expected by atheists and theists alike to never occur. Also, it is impossible to predict what people would do with never-before used power. It's like asking someone what the american justice system would be like if we were all able to teleport between heaven and earth by twisting our finger.
Gebert11 1 week ago
For an even worse case, if the woman was pregnant due to rape, and if she abort the baby, she's going to hell (or she can choose to raise the baby alone w/ all kinds of discrimination towards them)... Another excuse for man to rape... Sexist!
AkasakaS2000 1 week ago
@AkasakaS2000 that is some old bullshit
jamakika 1 week ago
mai are cineva creier pe planeta asta????
crackeRdFunduri 1 week ago
well at least everyone in this court is aware that the judge and jesse actually exist.
SalvadorDali22 1 week ago
you forgot the part where the victim is forced to marry the rapist
AmishRiot 1 week ago 66
@AmishRiot Was thinking that, too. And, make her a slave. lolbible
Bllackguard666 1 week ago
I love this fucking channel...and I LOVE these videos
fablesergio 1 week ago
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
fablesergio 1 week ago
At 1:51 and 4:09, that really is barbaric. And why would a loving god do what is at 5:24?
TheRojo387 1 week ago
@TheRojo387 Yeah that's exactly the point.. We're examining the brutality of christian dogma and exposing its 'unfairness' .....
behean2 1 week ago
@behean2 And if that were me being burned, i would yell at Yahwehovich "I swear i'll depose you for this, Yahwehovich!!"
TheRojo387 1 week ago
If biblical justice would have been followed accurately, the rapist would have been forced to pay the father of his rape victim 50 shillings and marry her
pwele 1 week ago
@pwele Horrible law, good thing it has no bearing today.
Ragnarockalypse 1 week ago
religion ........sigh ,
thank god none of it is true.
fekinel 2 weeks ago 8
If American Law was like this.... I'd be moving...
MidnightMusic91 2 weeks ago in playlist More videos from DarkMatter2525 2
creationists deserve to rot in bulubuludulubulubulaaaaaaaaahh!!!
MrSporeowns 2 weeks ago 23
Shouldn't the judge have forced the two of them to get married? Or rather, stoned the rape victim to death because the claim would've been made that she didn't yell out loudly enough? I guess that wasn't the point you were trying to make, but the bible makes both of the these claims.
badkarma52 2 weeks ago
The 1st half demonstrates the tolerance of THUGGERY within Xianity.
The 2nd half demonstrates the intolerance of SANE, ETHICALLY APPROPRIATE, MORAL RESPONSIBILITY within Xianity.
BOTTOM LINE: Christianity supports THUGS and penalizes the TRULY MORAL.
If you think that I am lying, go and check out the story of Abraham and Isaac. God first assesses Abraham's ability to commit atrocity, like any mob boss might, then spares the child to drive home the point that only he grants favors.
Inannalu 2 weeks ago
@Inannalu Sou desu ne. (That is a confirmation.)
Though that is not why i fled, that is ONE REASON i ain't never going back.
TheRojo387 1 week ago
White Jesus is getting his ass beat.
TheZulaKing 3 weeks ago
Christianity makes me physically sick. It's based on an old book for fuck sake. It has zero credibility, and is frankly a load of twisted bullshit.
MEareCAT 3 weeks ago 3
This is EXACTLY how the Christian doctrine is preached.
falloutentity 4 weeks ago
You, sir, have earned a subscriber.
hottse 4 weeks ago
Lets try simple logic here.
God created universe and all that in it.
Therefore God created Lucifer/Satan/Devil.
So we can conclude that God really hates humans or God is evil or God does not know everything. And the fact that Satan still exists even after thousands of years (according to the bible) proves that either God cant kill or destroy Satan, which means he's not all powerful, or he doesn't want to which means he's pure evil.
So logically it is safe to conclude that god does not exist.
RaguXT 1 month ago in playlist More videos from DarkMatter2525 3
@RaguXT Or the two forces are actually in colusion with eachother. God created lucifer to be the fall guy. So he could take te blame. Interesting, but then again such beings do not exist in my opinion and findings.
RIDDLERonRITALIN 4 weeks ago
@RIDDLERonRITALIN you mean people invented lucifer to be the fall guy, so that god would not be seen evil. and I totally agree with your last point! xD
RaguXT 4 weeks ago
@RaguXT Yeah, I should have said "people invented" not "god created".
RIDDLERonRITALIN 2 weeks ago
This is so damn funny! even Christians have to admit this is funny
SweetCocoa69 1 month ago
wait mrs thomson has to marry that guy
TheDrewManXD 1 month ago
make summat else you sick bastards
Hardhousejonesy1991 1 month ago
the slo-mo flying elbow drop was brilliant
chainedtotheworld 1 month ago
One thing that has me irked...the American flag is hanging the wrong way. Everything else is awesome :)
19KVet 1 month ago
more christian justice would've been served if the rapist was forced to marry his victim.
emailtheoldies 1 month ago
@emailtheoldies Yeah I'm sure the rape victim would just LOVE that.
Antiks72 1 month ago
@Antiks72 god only cares about justice. 2 people can't have sex unless they're married. this shit actually happened according to garbage, i mean the bible
emailtheoldies 1 month ago
Praise the good lord Beelzebub!
smoothmicra 1 month ago
Religion makes me physically sick.
MEareCAT 1 month ago
@MEareCAT They have a pill for that.
redundantstudios 1 month ago
@rira916 So I'm about to starve to death and I steal a candy bar to get by, but I get caught. That (stealing a candy bar) entitles god to burn me forever because I didn't believe in JEEZIS???
SGTSlashRazor 1 month ago 2
"an idealist, eh? OK burn him"
God's love lol
cr4yv3n 1 month ago 2
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you forgot about the part where Ms.Thompsen now has to marry Mr.Smith
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nickrulez809765 1 month ago
Seems fair to me... Time to do some crime!
Shuhac 1 month ago 6
LOL poor Jesse.
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TheArchon1 1 month ago
lol "And don't forget I love ya." xD
TheVukadin 1 month ago
Chapter and verses please! I wanna read this shit for myself.
TrustedAlias 1 month ago
@TrustedAlias ....you want the verse where accepting jesus will get you in heaven?
OmfgItsHenu 1 month ago
Those bailiffs are huge!
bgiv2010 1 month ago
"jesus is love" cat in the hat is love, wheene the pooh is love, the only difference is littlle children arent going to wheene the pooh church and toold he is all mighty and real.
Hammerman2007 1 month ago
i'll gladly go to hell, spirits cants burn feel pain nor can they be touched not so bad,then soon after a tolerance would be buit. Heaven dosentt sound bad either but its worse, After ristricting your tiny mortal life (lol) why would you want to go to a place and do ALL of the EXACT same things as you could do when you were alive like, im pretty sure you cant go to heaven and just start fucking loads of women while drinking bud weiser and...you know what i think you get. One life don't waste it
Hammerman2007 1 month ago
Is it me, or does MsDarkMatter2525 sound like Harley Quinn?
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Many of you need to go to Truth96130 to find the real truth of hell and the Lake of Fire.
williambrown007 1 month ago
this does not work because A Nazi would not rape a black girl they would see it as contaminating themselves. Further biblical law would require him to marry the girl and pay the father.
daveforfun22 1 month ago
@daveforfun22 and who cares about the cartoons, the important thing is the message that the video is giving you
Torreux66 1 month ago
@daveforfun22 lame exsuce bro
Deadmeat703 1 month ago
@Deadmeat703 do people read what I say, or do you just read the first bit them assume I am a creationist christian? what am I making excuses for? if you read the second sentance you would see I clearly am not a christian. I have put much time into studying Nazism and Christianity and do not like to see them mis represented. I am opposed to both but once you do research on it you become similar to a Grammar Nazi.
daveforfun22 1 month ago
@mcgif21 1. The hypostatic union is a contradiction. Fully god and fully man. See the problem? 2. It was Eve who sinned 1st.
3. You don't understand the Bible. Remember 'ACCOUNTABILITY' that's what ur doing now. Shifting blame and running in circles. Very sad.
paramattic70 1 month ago
@paramattic70 Eve is just as much human as Adam was? How is being fully God and fully man a problem? with God all things are possible. Thirdly the Bible says that the consequences for our sins are played our naturally here on Earth. Hence you go to jail for raping someone. But if you are completely remade by Christ then you indeed are not the same person who raped somebody. But a new person in Christ Jesus. The Christian faith is all about being reborn by grace because of His love
Mcgif21 1 month ago
in counties with SCARYa law they have such style justice system.
Impulse116 1 month ago
4:05 I lost my shit. Great show!
EliteDoomer 1 month ago
"So as sin entered into the world through one man (Adam) by his sin, so grace would enter through the whole world by his grace (Jesus Christ)" paraphrasing from Romans. And that grace is the death on the cross. And yes I know many other "gods" were crucified and have similair stories to Jesus. But satan is wise. And he will deceive you if you do not have the truth. "I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life" Jesus Christ said. And also did any of those "gods" die out of love to redeem us? no
Mcgif21 1 month ago
@Mcgif21 What exactly is he "redeeming" us from? His own torture chamber, where he chooses to send us. And I guess I'll ask again, why dose god need a human sacrifice before he can forgive me for any wrong I've done to him?
styot 1 month ago
@styot God is redeeming us from ourselves. The whole essence of the Bible is this: Humans our evil. The universe is fallen. God is redeeming us from our sins (lying, stealing, killing, raping, porn, drunkeness, and sexual abominations). When God created the world he said "it is good" but when the Fall happened it was broken. So Christ is redeeming us from our fallen nature (to rebel against God) and is giving us a totaly new spirit (hence the name "born againg Christian).
Mcgif21 1 month ago
@styot And again I will say "the wages of sin is death" and when God said this he means eternal seperation from God in hell. So when Jesus (Imanuel, God with us) died for us. It was God himself filling the gap between us and Him. Yes God could of just forgiven us without dying and sending people to hell. But he cannot love what is evil. So he is creating a new spirit within us (the holy spirit) that is "good" just as His creation in the begining "it is good"
Mcgif21 1 month ago
Ya Jesus was the son of God. But he was God Himself in human form. Also God keeps his promises saying from the begining "if you eat this fruit you will surely die" both physically and spiritually. Our physical selves along with the universe will fade away and inevitably be destroyed. But when Jesus died for us, living a perfectly good life, he made it possible for us to do good by His spirit that is in us.
Mcgif21 1 month ago
@Mcgif21 someone's got a safe little place in heaven...or arkham!!!
psubbaejam 1 month ago
@Mcgif21 Then why did God even put that tree there in the first place? He alredy knows if they will eat from the tree if he puts it there for "he is all knowing". That's just sadistic.
DarkMind95 1 month ago 24
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Another Idea: He's all knowing. So when he made the humans he KNEW we would be sinners, and he knew he would f*** with us. And he still did it.
KadianAthior 4 weeks ago
@KadianAthior Exactly.
DarkMind95 4 weeks ago
I can't believe in this age of rapidly expanding understanding of the universe and our place in it that people still cleave to Bronze Age mythology.
MarkRosengarten 1 month ago
It would be more accurate if the judge had himself beaten up instead of his son.
KayBeeEee1983 1 month ago
those fight noises were bruce lee LOL
TheShaitanjr 1 month ago
@TheShaitanjr I noticed too lol.
anythingnew 1 month ago
God does demand for torture and blood. he says kill your son and you do it to not be in hell. that is no savior nor for a damned son that did sacrifice himself.
venomflyer 1 month ago
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@venomflyer
James1 god does NOT tempt with evil.
Gen9,Ex20,god FORBIDS murder.
Deu12:30-31.God says he HATE burning children and we are NOT to learn how heathen served their gods by sacrificing and burning children.
Jer19:5-6.God says he NEVER commanded,mentioned nor thought people would kill and burn children as sacrifices.
Abram should have told demonic voice"I will not kill Isaac.God forbids murder and burning."
Christianity is immoral by every universal standard.
worksequalsalvation 1 month ago
The problem with this misrepresentation is a misunderstanding of the Bible's teaching on justification. The Bible teaches that God made man good, to serve him and love him, but man chooses evil. Restoration is made when the price of sin is paid for in Jesus. The crime is against God, not others, so only God can pay the price and restore (forgive) relationships.
rira916 1 month ago
@rira916 Ok, so why dose god have to have a man tortured and murdered before he can forgive people? Human sacrifice 101, I'm sure you'd find it repulsive and immoral if it were present in any other religion. And why dose God torture people for eternity if he chooses not to forgive them? Non of that is moral.
styot 1 month ago
@styot God doesn't demand for anyone to be tortured before forgiveness. The Bible simply states that "the wages of sin is death," meaning that payment for sin against God must be atoned for by blood. Blood symbolizes life (Deut. 12), so the sacrifice of (animal) blood is used as a picture of sin payment. Blood to us is ghastly, horrible and offensive; that is what sin is to God...he hates it. And God doesn't torture people by choice-he gives them the freedom to choose, him or Satan.
rira916 1 month ago
@rira916 Then why dose he torture people in hell as punishment for sin? As I said, it's animal and human sacrifice in belief that it will please God, it's immoral. Blood for the blood God! And there is no freedom to choose, you choose God or are tortured for eternity, what kind of choice is that? Compulsory love?
styot 1 month ago 26
@styot Clarify for me what you believe a/b the idea of hell. People have a lot of ideas about hell, especially of it being primarily a place of fire & torture, but the Bible actually uses various descriptions of it, most often Hades or Sheol, which simply mean, "place of the dead." In one place (2 Thess. 1:9), hell is also described as separation from God, which would suit those who chose to reject him while alive.
rira916 1 month ago
2 Thess. 1: 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 " flaming fire taking vengeance" This is one of many many passages that describe Hell has fire and torture.
styot 1 month ago
@styot And without context, it is a troubling passage. The backdrop to this letter is a letter to a church that is being persecuted (killed, beheaded, tortured, etc) by the society around them that hated Christianity. It is written to encourage the persecuted, that despite the torture, God is still for them, and will defend them when the final judgement comes, and each man/woman gives account for his/her actions. It only makes sense, if God is true, that he repays those that kill his children.
rira916 1 month ago
@styot "Gehenna" is another hell-word used, simply referring to a historical place outside Jerusalem where trash & dead animals were burned. Jesus referred to it often in stories and explanations. It was used to explain how works will be judged. In your worldview, there will be no ultimate justice for rapists, murderers, child molesters, abusers, etc. In a biblical worldview, Gehenna is a place where works will be tried by fire, to judge the motives behind actions, and to give justice for evil.
rira916 1 month ago
@rira916 It isn't about justice, the only criteria for redemption or damnation is faith. Rapists, murderers, child molesters can and presumable do go to heaven if they have the correct faith, while a great man like Gandhi is presumable in hell being torture for his lack of faith.
styot 1 month ago
@styot You say it yourself, "the only criteria for redemption or damnation is faith," therefore Ghandi or any of the offenders have/had the same opportunity for salvation. How would that be unjust?
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