@katecampeau military spending is an easy target (although a strange one if one considers that we're engaged in several areas around the world including Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.). However, if you look at the federal budget, the items that are by far the most costly are entitlements (social security, medicare, medicaid). Given the long term danger in how these are funded, these must be dealt with and soon.
@silversnowsnake Wow, you're an idiot. Taxing is part of what keeps this country going. If you make more, you pay more in taxes. If you don't like that, you can move out of this country.
@Mushuukyou lol you're talking about taxation. I'm talking about wealth redistribution. The big government doesn't have a right to sneak into my bank account, steal my money and give them to other people( both lazy people and cronies). We have a tax obligation to finance court, army, police, etc which protect our liberty. For instance, you got A at school and a dumbass got F. The teacher equalizes them and give D+ to both of you. Does he deserve it? Will you accept it? Stupid liberal lol :))
@silversnowsnake They won't steal your money. You'll just pay more in taxes if you make more money. You receive the benefit of the taxes you pay back by a more healthy America. Your analogy with a class grade is fallacious. I *AM* talking about taxation. Nobody is talking about taking the money already in your bank account. Stupid conservative. Typical. You don't give a shit about the country, just how much money you can make for yourself. You can't see the big picture. Idiot.
@Mushuukyou "You'll just pay more in taxes if you make more money." Yeah, I'll be forced to share what I've created even though I don't want to. I'll end up in jail otherwise. It's THEFT or robbery, you name it ;) There's no proof that you get as much wealth/service back as you paid in tax. Cut the taxes, cut the spending, deregulate the market. People need jobs annd more money to pay debt and spend. That's the way we increase purchasing power. That's the way we get healthy America back.
@silversnowsnake Yup, that's what happens when you make a lot in this country. You can afford to give more to the country that has allowed you to make that money. You don't like it? fucking move. But what you WILL NOT do is attempt to destroy this country by being a selfish prick and not supporting it. We need everyone, especially the low-end workers, to make this country thrive. You'll just have to deal with it and know that in the long run, you're helping the country. Deal with it, idiot
Cutting taxes, spending and deregulation is EXACTLY what has led us to this recession and could lead us to a depression! Yes, people need jobs - but we do that by raising taxes and supporting programs that help everyone, especially the middle and lower class. Sorry, your way of "getting America back" has failed, as we can see. You, sir, have failed in ideas... oh wait, you're just borrowing other people's ideas.
@Mushuukyou@Mushuukyou Programs don't create jobs. It only create gov jobs and increase tax burden and bureaucracy. Private sector creates job. Spending is the cause of recession. Bush was stupid. He spent to deficit and Obama is worse. Bush left the office with $470Bil deficit and Obama is making it worse to $14 trillion. Corporation tax rate in US is highest among other developed countries. Can't you see that we're exporting our jobs abroad because of high tax rates. Liberals're not working.
@silversnowsnake Only through proper regulation, taxation and a healthy government can we restore this country. Right now the wealthy and corporations are enjoying lots of tax breaks and some don't even pay any taxes, and they are sitting on lots of cash, and they aren't creating jobs. No, WASTEFUL spending has put us in this recession, namely the unnecessary wars we started. Sorry, but Bush has caused most of the deficit. It just carried over to Obama.
You don't understand how the country works, so you really should stop pretending you do. Obama could be doing a better job, yes, but we have Bush to blame and the deregulations for the current situation. Get education and stop the stupid.
@Mushuukyou lol I'm studying social economy and sociology and I do understand more than normal people do. Tax cut alone doesn't create job. We need to remove regulations. We need a free market. Nowadays the US market is not free at all. It has become a mixed market and government subsidizes losers in the market. I'm talking about healthy economy but you're talking about healthy government = big government. Sorry. Obama's not better than Bush. He's continuing Bush's wars and a new war.
@silversnowsnake Sorry buddy, it's the lack of regulations that got us into what we are in today. You just don't get it. "Free market" doesn't mean regulation-free market. That would just drive us deeper into what we are today.. and it's heading there. You have a very horrid view on how America should be. Thankfully we have checks in place to keep it from getting too crazy.
@silversnowsnake no dude you repubs are robbing the poor and middle class and you have made no stinking jobs in the last 8 months since you got your tax breaks extended..so you should lose them
if more folks paid attention to wuts goin on instead of watchin stupid bowls we mite make some progress, but whan most sports fans cant name their congressman or senators we dont stand a chance. Welcome to the fascist state
you guys need to realize that most people making over $250k a year aren't the CEOs of fortune 500 companies nor are they the hedge fund managers making 100 million. These are only a small percentage. People making $250K-$500K a year are lawyers, doctors, managers, small bus. owners. These people sacrificed fun in their 20s by going to professional schools, extending their education and putting in the WORK so they are now able to make a good living. They have the RIGHT to keep their money.
@bshafiee Their money isn't being taken away, and their taxes are the lowest they have ever been. What you need to realize is that they are getting the same tax cut as everyone else on $250k of their income. And you know there are a lot more people that "sacrificed fun" in their late teens and onward by working 40-60+ hours a week just to get by.
@Treniths In regards to "working 40-60+ hours a week just to get by"....yes you're right. people work hard. this is why i believe taking money away from hard working people is wrong. thanks for proving my point.
@bshafiee I don't think you understand. A lot of people working 40-60 hours a week are making maybe $25,000 a year, and mostly likely without benefits. What do you do for a living?
@Treniths I think we're looking at this problem the wrong way. It's like having the brakes not work on a car and changing the tires. Penalizing the most successful people in society is not the solution, it won't fix the fundamental problem. We need to address corruption, lobbyists, spending, the military industrial complex, limit government's powers etc. This is the only solution, not letting the government paint this picture of "rich=bad".
@bshafiee It's not penalizing them. Taxes are necessary, especially now when extending the tax breaks for 2 more years for the very very top would cost us in the hundreds of billions. And remember, these were tax breaks. Doesn't anyone remember anything beyond 10 years ago? People weren't screaming that taxes were socialist communist plots to steal from the successful and give to the lazy and illegal aliens, besides the people that make millions a year by screaming that on the tee-vee.
@bshafiee The equation is not as simple as hard work = success. Hard work MAY be a factor among many others such as luck, advantage, connections, talent in any given situation. I don't begrudge the cardiac surgeon making more than the janitor (with all due respect to these important workers), but that a person making $500,000/year should pay at a greater tax rate on the upper portionsof that income seems reasonable. Who do you suppose is paying their salaries?
0:33 The rich don't "take" money from the midde class or poor, Bernie. It is earned money by them. It's bizarre to supposedly love jobs but to despise those who own the companies, do the expanding, etc. Go ahead, Bernie, if you want to collapse the economy. Jack up taxes on everyone. Then enjoy the double-dip recession.
2:45 And who'd going to "redistribute" the wealth, comrade? You?
It's disgraceful that this greedy man holds a senate seat.
@FiendsInRedSatin1 They do, and they do so by exporting jobs overseas where they can pay workers for a fraction of the wages they would in America. They aren't creating jobs here, they are creating jobs in countries where they can make the most profits and then shipping the goods to America. It has created a situation where the working class in this country have less opportunities for jobs, and the jobs they can get are paying less with fewer benefits, and it's only getting worse.
@Treniths the key to making more jobs here is making things more attractive to businesses. Jacking up taxes, piling on more regulations, etc. which Sanders supports only makes it more attractive to ship jobs overseas. (One thing to keep in mind is that other nations export jobs here to the U.S. because it's cheaper for them.) If Bernie gets his way, I fear the working class will be the permanently unemployed class forever dependant on people like Sanders (which, I suspect, is what he wants.)
@FiendsInRedSatin1 Trickle down economics has never worked, ever, and is one of the biggest reasons were in the economic state we're in right now. To put it in perspective, the top 1% of income earners make more than the entire bottom 50% combined, all while their taxes are cut in half. Basically what you're saying is that adding an additional 900 billion dollars to our debt so that the extremely wealthy can get even richer all while giving nothing back to America is the right thing to do.
@Treniths yes, it does work. Allowing people to hold onto their own money allows them to spend it, invest it, etc. which kicks up economic growth which is something we all want right now. (Keep in mind the top 1% pays almost 28% of all federal taxes. It's not like they're not paying money to the govt.)
The reason why we're adding money to the debt is not becaue of tax rate reductions but because Wash. DC can't balance a budget. Bush was horrible on that, and Obama has exceeded him.
@FiendsInRedSatin1 Where was the growth? This was an economic plan created almost 10 years ago, yet ever year since then we've seen a bigger and bigger gap between the working and middle class and the people that sit on top. There practically is no middle class anymore. The rich aren't spending their money and investing in America. This is the worst possible time to extend tax cuts to the wealthy. We cannot afford it.
@Treniths We had good growth for several years before the housing bubble burst. Think of the economy like a human body. Many things can make a body healthy, and many things can make a body ill. Allowing people to hold onto more of their money is like taking vitamins. It aids the body. However, that doesn't mean that the body will never get sick. Bubbles happen which make the economy sick when they pop.
@Treniths trust me, I've a good grasp on economics and am very aware what state the U.S. is in right now. What the U.S. doesn't need is more money being siphoned off from the private sector.
The biggest thing that irks me about Sanders (other than his ill-conceived economic policies) is how he is more than content to say, "You've got enough money" as if he is the arbiter of how much is enough. He never says that about govt.
@FiendsInRedSatin1 There's absolutely no reason for American tax payers to pay for extended tax cuts for billionaires and it would be extremely irresponsible to do so right now. Sure, give tax breaks to the top companies actually creating jobs that people can live off of in America. Otherwise all you're doing is giving vast amounts of money to people who not only don't need it, but don't earn it and are taking advantage of having their business located in America and giving next to nothing back.
@Treniths remember that the tax payer isn't "paying" for any tax cut. A tax cut is a guy keeping his own money. If you hike up taxes on these people, that's only going to incentivize them to move off-shore not only with their personal finances but with their companies.
I'm uncomfortable with saying they don't "need" their money. It's their cash, not mine. If I say, "Go and take it", what's to stop Uncle Sam from doing that same thing to me? Nothing.
@FiendsInRedSatin1 So you support reduction of the private debt overhead to the ability to pay? To forget about this idiotic focus on deficits? Or do you think that the rich who are sitting on record amounts of money should be given more? Tax cuts on the rich are an abomination and don't help the private sector's situation, debt reduction and deficit spending on stimulus and to high MPC people do.
@lordhighexecutioner keep in mind that the money belongs to the people who earn it first and foremost. Also keep in mind that we're not really talking about tax cuts at all but rather keeping rates the same.
What I support is not killing an economic recovery by jacking up taxes. Certainly, I support deficit reduction and debt reduction. Let us reduce spending to aid in this.
@FiendsInRedSatin1 Part 2! Not only that, Sander's is the strongest supporter in senate of creating jobs in America instead of shipping them overseas. The way the regulation works now, there is absolutely no reason for a corporation to create working class jobs in America. Why pay someone $7.25 an hour when you can pay someone in China $2 dollars an hour? (Besides a sense of duty to the country that made them wealthy, which obviously is not a commonly held sentiment)
@Treniths a person cannot be a supporter of creating jobs if that same person supports more and more regulation and jacks up taxes more and more. It's akin to saying, "I like the First Amendment" but then one turns around and burns books.
A company will pay someone $7.25 an hour here rather than $2.00 in the PRC if that business knows that the work can be done better here than over there.
@FiendsInRedSatin1 Well that's the thing. Any country can fill factory and working class jobs. So what reason would you have to create jobs in America when you can make better profits shipping jobs over seas? Why do you think there were talks about abolishing minimum wage? Because then the "job creators" would have a reason to keep their working class jobs in America by slashing their pay to a disgusting amount. Minimum wage is barely enough for the standards of living as it is.
@Treniths you can create jobs in America (as opposed to overseas) if it is more profitable to do so. American workers have a great edge in productivity when compared to the rest of the world. (Remember many foreign companies have plants here because it's profitable.) However, increased taxes on business (especially those profitable), increased regulation, etc. makes business more unprofitable and actually pushes companies overseas.
@FiendsInRedSatin1 The thing is that it's not as profitable for large business to keep factory jobs in America as it would be to have them in foreign countries with far less human and worker rights. And there really aren't that many foreign factory jobs being created in America. At least no where near the amount that we're shipping off.
It's also important to know that the companies at the very top that will be affected by the tax breaks expiring are not hurting or struggling.
@Treniths the solution is to make American job creation more profitable. It simply won't be done if taxes are hiked on them or tons more regulation gets dumped on them.
@FiendsInRedSatin1 The weathiest people in America and huge Corporations have seen their taxes decreased at an enormous rate, yet where did the jobs go? This trickle-down bs might work on a small scale, but not on a global scale. It is a complete race to the bottom for ordinary people, which the elites rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. The entire system is based on massive fraud at this point. It will not work in the long run.
@55ella2007k there are still jobs here. What I am arguing against is jacking up taxes in the misplaced hopes that that will increase jobs. It won't. It will only make things worse and make it more likely for more companies to leave the U.S. or to outsource.
@FiendsInRedSatin1 Nothing will EVER be more profitable for large corporations than to find the cheapest labor force possible. Do you expect American workers to compete with $ 1.89 per DAY wages in China? Corporations have no national boundaries, so your entire argument is mute. Yes, productivity has increased in the US, but did the work force get a share of this? The answer is NO. Wages have remained stagnant for the past 30 years. So much for your economic model. World poverty is increasing.
@55ella2007k if the PRC was such a gold mine, then no manufacturing would be done anywhere else in the world. We both know that that is not the case. Cheap labor is one thing. Cheap labor that can actually do the work is something else.
Just more BS. The 2 party political system is a joke. The right just supports big business cartel capitalist monopolies, while pushing the country towards fascism and the left just supports big government socialism, while pushing the country towards communism. Also the left pushes social policy agendas that break down society and create chaos and then the right brings in order to the situation, which involves an increase of the big brother police state and a loss of freedoms. Order out of chaos.
This is absolutely correct but we stop calling our Children of God as Kids (of Satan). A Kid is a baby Goat and what constellation has the Goat as its symbolism? Yes Capricorn and who dwells in this constellation? Saturn (El/Satan). Please study the Goat of Mendes and see what I'm getting at for this coming Age of Aquarius which is controlled by the planet Saturn, the Generation 'X' (x=pythagorean 6 = Saturn/Weakness of Man & Sin). Wake up to this occult world quickly
And this guy is an independent. Not a democrat. So don't pull the liberal democrat crap either. The country isn't in decline over being too socialist. It is in decline because it was in a semi-fascist state under Bush for 8 years.
@rozagain And that is the irony of our situation. :)
There are so many people in the lower 99% income bracket who are yelling so loud and fighting so hard to push us further into the plutocracy we have now that it will eventually cause the total collapse of our capitalist system.
In the mean time the rest of the world will move on and prosper while looking back and laughing at our idiocy.
And to be clear, I am all for capitalism just not the self destructive "American Capitalism".
@rozagain Greed is Good my friend. Everything that's invented was created by someone who wanted to be rich. Youtube for example, iphones, cars, medicine...humans need incentive to work hard and "Greed" is the highest form of motivation.
@bshafiee: Socialist?! What a load of crap. As a working American, I pay my fair share of taxes. I expect the top 1% to pay their fare share as well! Why the hell should they get more of a break than us?! I don't get "allowed to keep" more of my income. Bullshit. And who brought the economy to it's knees in the first place?! The wealthy banks and Wall Street. Who needed TARP? Who got the relief? And then blew it on outrageous things -- like parties, trips and bonuses?! The rich.
get this socialist piece of shit out of here. this is america, not sweden. allowing people to keep 700billion of their own money isnt "giving them money". It's our money to begin with. lets start with the government spending less then we can talk about paying higher taxes.
do you really think hedge fun managers and ceos deserve 20,000-100,000 times the amount of income made by the average college bachelors graduate or will you concede the infrastructure of the economy was designed by those at the top to maximize the wealth of those at the top to an absolute insane degree?
Correct, we're not Sweden-they're the ones with the phenomenal society/flourishing middle class loaning our wealthiest 1% money.
@bshafiee From 1968 to 2006 income for the bottom 99% increased 12% while income for the top 1% increased 182%. Pay ratios went from $40 : $1 to today's $400 : $1.
Is that $700 billion earned or stolen from the 99%.
Based on statements like yours a good portion of the 99% are also so brainwashed that their only response to flat earnings and increasing personal debt while the GDP and wealthy continue to prosper is to demand that the 99% get screwed even more by the top 1%.
Yeah, I like the way he thwarted Ron Paul's "Audit the Fed" effort. Now, at least we know who Bernie works for -- the billionaires! (As if we didn't know it before.)
@LibertaerUeberAlles we know who they all work for....and truly.....they're all in bed together....its never been a mystery and has been that way for decades.....but i'm hopeful....maybe things will turn around in the next few years for everyone....
Thanks for the informed comment! Here's what I think:
H.R.1657 - Ok, so CEOs must be CPAs, as well? What if a sports pro wants to start an equipment manufacturing company; must he first become an accountant? Do you think risking 25-years imprisonment for non-fraud errors might cause him to forgo the venture (and forgo creating a job for you)? Where in the Constitution does the fed gov have authority to regulate contracts between private businesses and their shareholders?
Where's the due process in holding someone criminally liable for a bookkeeping error? Isn't this what dictatorial regimes and police states do?
The purpose of the Constitution is to define how government is structured along with the federal government's relation to the individual states and people. Where do you get the idea that it protects you from all "types of oppression?" Where is this written?
Who's forcing you to purchase stock shares in a private company, anyway?
@LibertaerUeberAlles I recommend reading James Madison's letters sent to Thomas Jefferson concerning the process and outcome of the Constitution Convention. Specifically the October 24th 1787 letter.
He addresses the failure of law, order and liberty under the Articles of Confederation by individual states as the reason the Convention came about and succeeded.
He also addresses oppression by various groups from economic to political and even religious.
H.R.2265 - Since when are food and (presumably non-synthetic) dietary supplements considered "drugs?" It looks to me like he's removing a pro-Big Pharma portion of existing legislation. Are you suggesting that Ron Paul and his friends have some type of vitamin scam going on? Multi-level marketing, perhaps???
The FDA acronym stands for Food AND Drug Administration.
The scam is this, you and may others have some personal believes about politics and economics, some of which I agree with, and you believe Ron Paul is your saviour but you and may others only listen to Ron's rhetoric but you've never read any of his bills.
I'm bringing you the news, Ron Paul does not represent you, he is more of the same tired shit. Read his real record, not his rants on youtube.
Right, but apparently the original bill prohibited producers of natural foods from making claims about their products. For example, "An apple a day keeps the proctologist away, so try our condensed apple pills."
If Ron Paul is such a friend of big business, then why isn't he getting tons of corporate money?
@LibertaerUeberAlles Legislation is usually reactionary, something goes wrong and legislation is put in place as a response.
If all that occurred was your benign statement about apples then I doubt there would be any legislation, the fact is there are outrageous claims made that in some cases not only result in people wasting their money in the scam but they may also forego real medicine to their own detriment.
If they don't lie then their is no need to worry about the legislation.
H.CON.RES.231 - The 1999 bill states that the Panama Canal Zone should be US property. The reason given in the bill is that America spent a half-billion dollars to build the canal and spends a half-billion dollars each year to maintain it. I dunno, in lieu of declaring it US property, maybe he'd have preferred not to spend any US money to maintain it? Just guessing, of course.
Actually, I don't really have an opinion on the sanity|insanity of relinquishing the Panama Canal. I can only speculate on Ron Paul's reasoning: Aside from the US taxpayers' investment, he was concerned about Red China's position as lockkeeper. Now, a decade later, it appears that the basis for his concerns have been realized. Oh well, I guess there's always Cape Horn :-/
But let's also keep in mind that he opposed interventionism in the China-Taiwan relationship.
80% of all new Income went to top 1% of the wealthiest mullionaires & billionaires, which probably includes director of Homeland security, Michael Chernoff who MADE around $200 MILL ON cancer causing Xray machines for the airport. I have name at least 10 people right off the back that are either related or a neighbor who have either had cancer & many have died, & I don't know anyone who has died from a bomb. Yet the US has with Secret & PRivate soldiers spent $3 Trillion & lives in war.
ALL you numbnuts out there that ALWAYS try to make this about Dems and Repubs...STFU!!! It's what they want us to do...NOT all, but the vast majority of our elected officials only care about getting payed.
Just look at what our elected officials are trying to cram down our throats AGAIN...an AMNESTY for NON-US., ILLEGAL tresspassers. Shouldn't our borders be secured FIRST before we try to deal with THEM? Is it that some officials want the border open...the drug money is plentiful these days!!!
Cont... with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any “benefits” take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! Impeach Obama the Slayer 6 strings gets my point across
@1Guitarslayer see its people like u that just dont get it, it isnt healthcare or ssi, its taxes being cut & not paid for, 2 wars, a millitary out of control as in over 140 instalations around the world as in 633 billion dollars a yr, earmaks & pork, lobbyists, homeland securty with over 800,000 employees, no taxes need to go up, gov spending cut, pay down the deficit, thats our real enemy debt, you all can fight back & 4th but its not going to solve anything, keep it up america is doomed period
We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President who smokes… cont…
but if we as a nation dont address the problems we face, how can u pay the deficit down when were lowering taxes & in 2 wars, our military budget is 43% of worlds millitary budgets, its more of the same bullshit, the debt keeps going up, & the dollar will colapse, nobody seems to get this, they think it'll pay for it self, reps want to cut taxes when they already did, it failed & because neither side will actually comprimise america will die, we all have sacrifice to save the country ....
I hope something gives and we finally get a balanced budget. We've had 10 years of deficit spending to 'stimulate' our economy. That never works. If it did, why not do it all the time? Well now we see that borrowing and printing money gets us nowhere. The short-term benefits are immensely overshadowed by the the long-term consequences.
Ahhh the nation were its bad to make your money. Hell wheres my government check. Hell lets not work when a demorat can steal someones money and give it to me. WOOT! Great idea demoturds!
@PsychStudent85 "Stop being Party Loyal to the point of stupidity", very well said because they are all working against us for their own interests!
Watch this clip of Jesse Ventura on Judge Napolitano's Freedom Watch,
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When I heard him I was floored because he couldn't have said it any better! Politics in America is like Wrestling! The sad fact is that most American's are Party Loyal and don't really get what is truely happening to us behind the scenes. Thumbs Up!
@PsychStudent85 I will probably get in trouble for this statement, but I don't care. I think it's time for the people to revolt. We need to rip the two party, corrupt system down by any means neccessary. If brute force is needed, I don't give a shit. The people who have corrupted our republic are traitors anyway and deserve no mercy. If we all cooperate they can't stop us all!
Almost all Democrats and Republicans are cut from the same cloth!
Turn off your TV's and throw them out the window because everyone is lying to us! Almost all of our Politicians are bought and paid for and we have a controlled media thats lying to us also.
Obama is following Bush's path and nothing is changing.
The middle class is dying and our jobs are being outsourced!
You want change then vote for the guy they all fear, Ron Paul 2012!
Ron Paul is the only 1 that will change this mess!
H.R.1657 in 2005 Ron wants to remove laws that make corporate CEOs liable for fraudulent financial statements.
H.CON.RES.231 In 1999 Ron resolves that the U.S. should steal sovereign land from Panama.
H.R.5078 in 2000 Ron writes some disrespectful statements about Thomas Jefferson and requests that states be given the right to implement theocratic Christian rule.
There is more Ron Paul crap where that came from. Same tired shit screwing citizens and their rights.
@PsychStudent85 Nobody “fears” Ron Paul. If anything they probably have pity for the senile and disturbed asshole. His crude raw capitalistic ideas, that the Republicans hold, are the reason why this nation is in this mess. You dumb sheep.
@SuperOldschool1969 The paid trolls who sold their souls chime in on my comments! You make me feel good when you do that because I know my message and Ron Paul's message is right on target! You are either ignorant and oblivious to what I wrote or just another paid troll who scrolls through the comments and tries to discredit them because your paid to do so! Keep the ignorance and sickness alive and come see me for help with your mental issues when I graduate and I am licensed to help you!
@SuperOldschool1969 Not really. Republicans don't hold true capitalistic ideas. They might say they do, but truly they've spent just as much, if not more than democrats. Even if you disagree with Dr. Paul's ideas, you should still respect him. He's the only one in congress who is consistent in his position throughout the years.
I t is only a matter of time before the poor and unemployed Americans shall rise up in arms and defend their right to the American Dream that they have paid for with the lives of their ansestors that have fought and died to defend this Country. If health care and SS colapse then it will happen. Prepare to hide, better idea leave the USA, if someone like Sara Palin is elected I am out of here, too many bad things are comming in the near future dont be blind to it see the truth.
@XM8rifle nafta was signed into law by bill clinton in 1994, gatt was created in 1947, WTO was signed into law in 1995, and tort reform has only been talked about never been implemented. TARP was created by Tim Geithner obama's right hand man...let me know if you have any other bright ideas!
@ilyadvi bernie sanders considers himself a democratic socialist...i am not just throwing words around! Look it up!
he is not talking about schools and fire departments he is talking about redistribution of wealth...which is socialism you stupid commie! now i am throwing words around to show how stupid you are!
Each of my 5 points are facts. Feel free to refute them.
We live in the most prosperous country in the history of the world. That is another fact.
People live the lives they want. If someone wanted to be a millionaire and spent every waking minute of their life pursuing that goal they will do it. In America they can. I don't know a single person who had that goal who has not done it.
But most people want to watch TV, or be a teacher, or have a family. All great things.
@thebigdrop It's not prosperous if only a few benefit from that prosperity on a real, fundamental level. And as far as living the lives they want... what you are referring to is sociopathy. When someone is so driven to make millions of dollars that they feel fine isolating themselves from social networks (other than profitable ones), that is sociopathy. These are the people at "the top." People who think it all boils down to "drive" and really just can't empathize with others in a normal way.
@thebigdrop Also, Norway is the most prosperous country right now, the 2nd year in a row. Do your research before you spew ignorant statements like that.
@cuarrech I have done my research. I disagree with the methods used to define "prosperous."
Clearly you are grasping at straws because the facts of my original argument are irrefutable.
I agree we both want the bottom to come up and the poor to become more prosperous. It is a lofty goal but stealing from the rich to give to the poor will not work. If you took away all the money from the rich they will earn it all back in short order because they know how to make money.
@thebigdrop The rich got that way by taking the money away from the poor in the first place. They got that way by cheating a lot of people a little bit, because they can. Since the machine (corporate laws, etc) that would allow this behavior is fundamentally broken, the best we can do is patch it up from the outside with taxes.
@cuarrech Unfortunately your stereotyping of huge range of people, men, women, whites, blacks, Asians, Indians etc. who are wealthy blinds you from the facts and is unacceptable
There are righteous rich. There are unrighteous rich. There are righteous poor and unrighteous poor.
There are over one million millionaires in the US not all of them got that way by by theft. Most of these people came up with unique goods and services that people wanted.... and they purchased them... not at gunpoint.
@thebigdrop Unique goods and services.. many of those goods designed here, made cheaply in China (notice, not American jobs there), and often designed with planned obsolescence in mind (the hallmark of "good" engineering is that it goes kaput right after the warranty runs out!). What is that, if not intentional robbing of the poor for whom each dollar spent means so much more, just in the future? That is just ONE of the many ways in which the system is set up to favor the rich.
@thebigdrop And sir, I was generalizing, not stereotyping. There are always exceptions to a generalization. I accept that. There are wealthy people in existence that I would consider legitimately so. They are few and far between. That something IS a generalization (and therefore by default subject to exceptions) doesn't make it generally untrue.
@thebigdrop - These people, the wealthiest, do you really think they "work" for the money they receive, on an level playing field, a value based system? Are the hours a CEO puts into a day really worth millions of times more money than than the grunt on the lower levels? When one has attained wealth and power, it is maintained it by manipulation. The wealth and power gets passed down NOT by merit, but more by cronyism. I think your capitalist idealism has skewed your assessment of reality.
Yes wealthy people work for their money. Some don't.
Some poor people work for their money... Some don't.
Many are. If a bad CEO in charge of hundreds of millions of dollars of salaries destroyed the jobs of hundreds of grunts many would have happily paid a better CEO more to protect their jobs. Like sports... how much is too much? It’s the market. The market decides.
Not all success is cronyism. That just diminishes the accomplishments of people like me.
@thebigdrop "The market" is a euphemism for the careful calculation of "how much can I take from them before they revolt" aka GREED. It's an awfully convenient one-word absolution of social responsibility, it's so conveniently impersonal. When 99% of the sociopaths at "the top" are operating under the umbrella of this impersonal "market," then working class people are backed into a corner. And how about the engineer who knows all the switches? HE could destroy a lot of jobs. Where's his money?
If 50% of the US citizen is like you, who are that easily influence, I think america would had collapsed. Even though US is surviving, but the percentage of people like you is significant enough to cause problem.
@MrJustplainevils Do you really think there is a differance. You can't see that these billionaires hedge there bets? Have you notice a single differance in policy between Obama and what Bush was doing?
Bush, Obama, Palin, McCain, or a scarecrow, doesn't matter anymore. The republicans protect their corporations and the democrats protect their corporations. The corporations reap the planets resources while the military/Nato protects them......and the bankers are funding the whole thing on us.
Rich people wouldn't be rich in the first place if it wasn't for redistribution of wealth. Its the workers who build the cars, the highways, etc. but its the rich man who leeches off of us, the workers' wealth. Taxing the rich to provide for the poor and the middle class is taking back the wealth that is rightfully ours.
Does anyone know if Congress and Senate have the same taxation as everyone else. I am sure there are a lot of millionaires and billionaires... Funny how they want all government jobs to take a 10% pay cut, BUT! Congress, Senate & President are exempt from the pay cut.. Oh and yes.. If the new health care was so great for everyone why is Congress, Senate, President and select special interest groups exempt from that too... What is good for the people should be good for them,,,
@vscofield1 ~~> BO said that doing away with the bush tax breaks would be against his financial intrests but it would be in the best intrest of the country...
The Fed was forced to reveal they paid out over $2trillion largely to European banks, and McDonalds in low-interest loans. None went to Mom and Pop homeowners here at home. That $2 trillion comes from us and goes to the billionaires.
Isn't that REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH from US to the BILLIONAIRES?
How is it they can get low interest loans and we don't? They turn around and make risky investments or loan the money to us at a HIGH interest rate.
Is it just me or does it seem more ppl are beginning to "get it" ... to stop drinking the republican koolaid?
I know well-educated, hard working ppl - one is a vet with a successful practice, another is a jr high school teacher. They were both summarily dropped by the private insurance company death panels. These are good ppl. They don't siphon off wealth from the middle class, they're not dead-beats, both are good parents, pay their bills including their insurance premiums while they had it.
@all_who_disagree_with_wealthRedistribution If you think wealth redistribution is bad, then you should be appalled to hear about the disparity in tax rate Warren Buffet mentioned. He pays 16% and his secretary pays nearly double that.
Do you really think the government works for the rest of us. No. Government works for those with access and influence. So the disparity in tax rate mentioned by Buffet is REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH from us TO THE BILLIONAIRES.
Voting for a republican is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders. I fear, we will not wake up in time. Socialism? Maybe we should get rid of Medicare, SS, police, fire fighters, public schools, etc. etc. Greed is not the answer.
Hmm... They are ALL bozos TO EVER take a larger salary than the national average ($32K) esp. when many are out of work. 535 in congress making an average of $196K a year? That's over $106 mill. in salaries! They also get allowances, perks,cushy savings plans, and private insurance. EACH SPOUSE GETS A PENSION. WHY? Spkr ada House = $223K H and S Maj/Min Ldrs = $193K H/S Mmbr & Dlgts = $174K We NEED term limits back! .We must demand it in the next election.Google congress salaries. I did. CRAP!
@mipstudio1 More the problem is that the people making it into congress are all rich anyhow.. It'd be interesting to know what the average wealth/salary of congressmen was in the year before they got in to office.
That's the problem with a system where by he with the biggest budget can buy enough advertising to win..
Lack of Regulation...!
kentucky9000 5 months ago
I wish this guy would move to Kansas so I could vote for him!!!
Cheristm 8 months ago
@katecampeau military spending is an easy target (although a strange one if one considers that we're engaged in several areas around the world including Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.). However, if you look at the federal budget, the items that are by far the most costly are entitlements (social security, medicare, medicaid). Given the long term danger in how these are funded, these must be dealt with and soon.
FiendsInRedSatin1 8 months ago
What the fuck is he talking about? Wealth redistribution is theft.
silversnowsnake 8 months ago
@silversnowsnake Wow, you're an idiot. Taxing is part of what keeps this country going. If you make more, you pay more in taxes. If you don't like that, you can move out of this country.
Mushuukyou 8 months ago
@Mushuukyou lol you're talking about taxation. I'm talking about wealth redistribution. The big government doesn't have a right to sneak into my bank account, steal my money and give them to other people( both lazy people and cronies). We have a tax obligation to finance court, army, police, etc which protect our liberty. For instance, you got A at school and a dumbass got F. The teacher equalizes them and give D+ to both of you. Does he deserve it? Will you accept it? Stupid liberal lol :))
silversnowsnake 8 months ago
@silversnowsnake They won't steal your money. You'll just pay more in taxes if you make more money. You receive the benefit of the taxes you pay back by a more healthy America. Your analogy with a class grade is fallacious. I *AM* talking about taxation. Nobody is talking about taking the money already in your bank account. Stupid conservative. Typical. You don't give a shit about the country, just how much money you can make for yourself. You can't see the big picture. Idiot.
Mushuukyou 8 months ago
@Mushuukyou "You'll just pay more in taxes if you make more money." Yeah, I'll be forced to share what I've created even though I don't want to. I'll end up in jail otherwise. It's THEFT or robbery, you name it ;) There's no proof that you get as much wealth/service back as you paid in tax. Cut the taxes, cut the spending, deregulate the market. People need jobs annd more money to pay debt and spend. That's the way we increase purchasing power. That's the way we get healthy America back.
silversnowsnake 8 months ago
@silversnowsnake Yup, that's what happens when you make a lot in this country. You can afford to give more to the country that has allowed you to make that money. You don't like it? fucking move. But what you WILL NOT do is attempt to destroy this country by being a selfish prick and not supporting it. We need everyone, especially the low-end workers, to make this country thrive. You'll just have to deal with it and know that in the long run, you're helping the country. Deal with it, idiot
Mushuukyou 8 months ago
Cutting taxes, spending and deregulation is EXACTLY what has led us to this recession and could lead us to a depression! Yes, people need jobs - but we do that by raising taxes and supporting programs that help everyone, especially the middle and lower class. Sorry, your way of "getting America back" has failed, as we can see. You, sir, have failed in ideas... oh wait, you're just borrowing other people's ideas.
Mushuukyou 8 months ago
@Mushuukyou @Mushuukyou Programs don't create jobs. It only create gov jobs and increase tax burden and bureaucracy. Private sector creates job. Spending is the cause of recession. Bush was stupid. He spent to deficit and Obama is worse. Bush left the office with $470Bil deficit and Obama is making it worse to $14 trillion. Corporation tax rate in US is highest among other developed countries. Can't you see that we're exporting our jobs abroad because of high tax rates. Liberals're not working.
silversnowsnake 8 months ago
@silversnowsnake Only through proper regulation, taxation and a healthy government can we restore this country. Right now the wealthy and corporations are enjoying lots of tax breaks and some don't even pay any taxes, and they are sitting on lots of cash, and they aren't creating jobs. No, WASTEFUL spending has put us in this recession, namely the unnecessary wars we started. Sorry, but Bush has caused most of the deficit. It just carried over to Obama.
Mushuukyou 8 months ago
You don't understand how the country works, so you really should stop pretending you do. Obama could be doing a better job, yes, but we have Bush to blame and the deregulations for the current situation. Get education and stop the stupid.
Mushuukyou 8 months ago
@Mushuukyou lol I'm studying social economy and sociology and I do understand more than normal people do. Tax cut alone doesn't create job. We need to remove regulations. We need a free market. Nowadays the US market is not free at all. It has become a mixed market and government subsidizes losers in the market. I'm talking about healthy economy but you're talking about healthy government = big government. Sorry. Obama's not better than Bush. He's continuing Bush's wars and a new war.
silversnowsnake 8 months ago
@silversnowsnake Sorry buddy, it's the lack of regulations that got us into what we are in today. You just don't get it. "Free market" doesn't mean regulation-free market. That would just drive us deeper into what we are today.. and it's heading there. You have a very horrid view on how America should be. Thankfully we have checks in place to keep it from getting too crazy.
Mushuukyou 8 months ago
@silversnowsnake no dude you repubs are robbing the poor and middle class and you have made no stinking jobs in the last 8 months since you got your tax breaks extended..so you should lose them
tbaarr1 8 months ago 4
Great man, great words.
animale963 8 months ago in playlist Wealth Inequality
The fact is that the rich haven't sacrificed anything in the past 30 years. Only the middle class and working families have been asked to sacrifice.
MaudsPas 1 year ago 2
this man knows what he is talking about, if only more people in our government had a backbone like him we wouldn't be where we are now
e1evation 1 year ago 20
if more folks paid attention to wuts goin on instead of watchin stupid bowls we mite make some progress, but whan most sports fans cant name their congressman or senators we dont stand a chance. Welcome to the fascist state
esubafles 1 year ago
you guys need to realize that most people making over $250k a year aren't the CEOs of fortune 500 companies nor are they the hedge fund managers making 100 million. These are only a small percentage. People making $250K-$500K a year are lawyers, doctors, managers, small bus. owners. These people sacrificed fun in their 20s by going to professional schools, extending their education and putting in the WORK so they are now able to make a good living. They have the RIGHT to keep their money.
bshafiee 1 year ago
@bshafiee Their money isn't being taken away, and their taxes are the lowest they have ever been. What you need to realize is that they are getting the same tax cut as everyone else on $250k of their income. And you know there are a lot more people that "sacrificed fun" in their late teens and onward by working 40-60+ hours a week just to get by.
Treniths 1 year ago
@Treniths In regards to "working 40-60+ hours a week just to get by"....yes you're right. people work hard. this is why i believe taking money away from hard working people is wrong. thanks for proving my point.
bshafiee 1 year ago
@bshafiee I don't think you understand. A lot of people working 40-60 hours a week are making maybe $25,000 a year, and mostly likely without benefits. What do you do for a living?
Treniths 1 year ago
@Treniths I think we're looking at this problem the wrong way. It's like having the brakes not work on a car and changing the tires. Penalizing the most successful people in society is not the solution, it won't fix the fundamental problem. We need to address corruption, lobbyists, spending, the military industrial complex, limit government's powers etc. This is the only solution, not letting the government paint this picture of "rich=bad".
bshafiee 1 year ago
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Treniths 1 year ago
@bshafiee It's not penalizing them. Taxes are necessary, especially now when extending the tax breaks for 2 more years for the very very top would cost us in the hundreds of billions. And remember, these were tax breaks. Doesn't anyone remember anything beyond 10 years ago? People weren't screaming that taxes were socialist communist plots to steal from the successful and give to the lazy and illegal aliens, besides the people that make millions a year by screaming that on the tee-vee.
Treniths 1 year ago
@bshafiee The equation is not as simple as hard work = success. Hard work MAY be a factor among many others such as luck, advantage, connections, talent in any given situation. I don't begrudge the cardiac surgeon making more than the janitor (with all due respect to these important workers), but that a person making $500,000/year should pay at a greater tax rate on the upper portionsof that income seems reasonable. Who do you suppose is paying their salaries?
tittlemouse1969 1 year ago
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SuperOldschool1969 1 year ago
0:33 The rich don't "take" money from the midde class or poor, Bernie. It is earned money by them. It's bizarre to supposedly love jobs but to despise those who own the companies, do the expanding, etc. Go ahead, Bernie, if you want to collapse the economy. Jack up taxes on everyone. Then enjoy the double-dip recession.
2:45 And who'd going to "redistribute" the wealth, comrade? You?
It's disgraceful that this greedy man holds a senate seat.
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
@FiendsInRedSatin1 They do, and they do so by exporting jobs overseas where they can pay workers for a fraction of the wages they would in America. They aren't creating jobs here, they are creating jobs in countries where they can make the most profits and then shipping the goods to America. It has created a situation where the working class in this country have less opportunities for jobs, and the jobs they can get are paying less with fewer benefits, and it's only getting worse.
Treniths 1 year ago
@Treniths the key to making more jobs here is making things more attractive to businesses. Jacking up taxes, piling on more regulations, etc. which Sanders supports only makes it more attractive to ship jobs overseas. (One thing to keep in mind is that other nations export jobs here to the U.S. because it's cheaper for them.) If Bernie gets his way, I fear the working class will be the permanently unemployed class forever dependant on people like Sanders (which, I suspect, is what he wants.)
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
@FiendsInRedSatin1 Trickle down economics has never worked, ever, and is one of the biggest reasons were in the economic state we're in right now. To put it in perspective, the top 1% of income earners make more than the entire bottom 50% combined, all while their taxes are cut in half. Basically what you're saying is that adding an additional 900 billion dollars to our debt so that the extremely wealthy can get even richer all while giving nothing back to America is the right thing to do.
Treniths 1 year ago
@Treniths yes, it does work. Allowing people to hold onto their own money allows them to spend it, invest it, etc. which kicks up economic growth which is something we all want right now. (Keep in mind the top 1% pays almost 28% of all federal taxes. It's not like they're not paying money to the govt.)
The reason why we're adding money to the debt is not becaue of tax rate reductions but because Wash. DC can't balance a budget. Bush was horrible on that, and Obama has exceeded him.
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
@FiendsInRedSatin1 Where was the growth? This was an economic plan created almost 10 years ago, yet ever year since then we've seen a bigger and bigger gap between the working and middle class and the people that sit on top. There practically is no middle class anymore. The rich aren't spending their money and investing in America. This is the worst possible time to extend tax cuts to the wealthy. We cannot afford it.
Treniths 1 year ago
@Treniths We had good growth for several years before the housing bubble burst. Think of the economy like a human body. Many things can make a body healthy, and many things can make a body ill. Allowing people to hold onto more of their money is like taking vitamins. It aids the body. However, that doesn't mean that the body will never get sick. Bubbles happen which make the economy sick when they pop.
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
@FiendsInRedSatin1 You have a very poor grasp of economics, history, and the state America is in right now.
Treniths 1 year ago
@Treniths trust me, I've a good grasp on economics and am very aware what state the U.S. is in right now. What the U.S. doesn't need is more money being siphoned off from the private sector.
The biggest thing that irks me about Sanders (other than his ill-conceived economic policies) is how he is more than content to say, "You've got enough money" as if he is the arbiter of how much is enough. He never says that about govt.
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
@FiendsInRedSatin1 There's absolutely no reason for American tax payers to pay for extended tax cuts for billionaires and it would be extremely irresponsible to do so right now. Sure, give tax breaks to the top companies actually creating jobs that people can live off of in America. Otherwise all you're doing is giving vast amounts of money to people who not only don't need it, but don't earn it and are taking advantage of having their business located in America and giving next to nothing back.
Treniths 1 year ago
@Treniths remember that the tax payer isn't "paying" for any tax cut. A tax cut is a guy keeping his own money. If you hike up taxes on these people, that's only going to incentivize them to move off-shore not only with their personal finances but with their companies.
I'm uncomfortable with saying they don't "need" their money. It's their cash, not mine. If I say, "Go and take it", what's to stop Uncle Sam from doing that same thing to me? Nothing.
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
@FiendsInRedSatin1 So you support reduction of the private debt overhead to the ability to pay? To forget about this idiotic focus on deficits? Or do you think that the rich who are sitting on record amounts of money should be given more? Tax cuts on the rich are an abomination and don't help the private sector's situation, debt reduction and deficit spending on stimulus and to high MPC people do.
lordhighexecutioner 1 year ago
@lordhighexecutioner keep in mind that the money belongs to the people who earn it first and foremost. Also keep in mind that we're not really talking about tax cuts at all but rather keeping rates the same.
What I support is not killing an economic recovery by jacking up taxes. Certainly, I support deficit reduction and debt reduction. Let us reduce spending to aid in this.
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
@FiendsInRedSatin1 Part 2! Not only that, Sander's is the strongest supporter in senate of creating jobs in America instead of shipping them overseas. The way the regulation works now, there is absolutely no reason for a corporation to create working class jobs in America. Why pay someone $7.25 an hour when you can pay someone in China $2 dollars an hour? (Besides a sense of duty to the country that made them wealthy, which obviously is not a commonly held sentiment)
Treniths 1 year ago
@Treniths a person cannot be a supporter of creating jobs if that same person supports more and more regulation and jacks up taxes more and more. It's akin to saying, "I like the First Amendment" but then one turns around and burns books.
A company will pay someone $7.25 an hour here rather than $2.00 in the PRC if that business knows that the work can be done better here than over there.
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
@FiendsInRedSatin1 Well that's the thing. Any country can fill factory and working class jobs. So what reason would you have to create jobs in America when you can make better profits shipping jobs over seas? Why do you think there were talks about abolishing minimum wage? Because then the "job creators" would have a reason to keep their working class jobs in America by slashing their pay to a disgusting amount. Minimum wage is barely enough for the standards of living as it is.
Treniths 1 year ago
@Treniths you can create jobs in America (as opposed to overseas) if it is more profitable to do so. American workers have a great edge in productivity when compared to the rest of the world. (Remember many foreign companies have plants here because it's profitable.) However, increased taxes on business (especially those profitable), increased regulation, etc. makes business more unprofitable and actually pushes companies overseas.
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
@FiendsInRedSatin1 The thing is that it's not as profitable for large business to keep factory jobs in America as it would be to have them in foreign countries with far less human and worker rights. And there really aren't that many foreign factory jobs being created in America. At least no where near the amount that we're shipping off.
It's also important to know that the companies at the very top that will be affected by the tax breaks expiring are not hurting or struggling.
Treniths 1 year ago
@Treniths the solution is to make American job creation more profitable. It simply won't be done if taxes are hiked on them or tons more regulation gets dumped on them.
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
@FiendsInRedSatin1 The weathiest people in America and huge Corporations have seen their taxes decreased at an enormous rate, yet where did the jobs go? This trickle-down bs might work on a small scale, but not on a global scale. It is a complete race to the bottom for ordinary people, which the elites rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. The entire system is based on massive fraud at this point. It will not work in the long run.
55ella2007k 1 year ago
@55ella2007k there are still jobs here. What I am arguing against is jacking up taxes in the misplaced hopes that that will increase jobs. It won't. It will only make things worse and make it more likely for more companies to leave the U.S. or to outsource.
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
@FiendsInRedSatin1 Nothing will EVER be more profitable for large corporations than to find the cheapest labor force possible. Do you expect American workers to compete with $ 1.89 per DAY wages in China? Corporations have no national boundaries, so your entire argument is mute. Yes, productivity has increased in the US, but did the work force get a share of this? The answer is NO. Wages have remained stagnant for the past 30 years. So much for your economic model. World poverty is increasing.
55ella2007k 1 year ago
@55ella2007k if the PRC was such a gold mine, then no manufacturing would be done anywhere else in the world. We both know that that is not the case. Cheap labor is one thing. Cheap labor that can actually do the work is something else.
FiendsInRedSatin1 1 year ago
what a boss!
misterx008 1 year ago
Who on earth has thumbed this down!?
Amarx00 1 year ago
Just more BS. The 2 party political system is a joke. The right just supports big business cartel capitalist monopolies, while pushing the country towards fascism and the left just supports big government socialism, while pushing the country towards communism. Also the left pushes social policy agendas that break down society and create chaos and then the right brings in order to the situation, which involves an increase of the big brother police state and a loss of freedoms. Order out of chaos.
JaimesPhazon 1 year ago
This is absolutely correct but we stop calling our Children of God as Kids (of Satan). A Kid is a baby Goat and what constellation has the Goat as its symbolism? Yes Capricorn and who dwells in this constellation? Saturn (El/Satan). Please study the Goat of Mendes and see what I'm getting at for this coming Age of Aquarius which is controlled by the planet Saturn, the Generation 'X' (x=pythagorean 6 = Saturn/Weakness of Man & Sin). Wake up to this occult world quickly
anunnaki2006 1 year ago
And this guy is an independent. Not a democrat. So don't pull the liberal democrat crap either. The country isn't in decline over being too socialist. It is in decline because it was in a semi-fascist state under Bush for 8 years.
rozagain 1 year ago
We are the furthest thing from Socialism. Greed is so out of control in this country it is going to destroy Capitalism. The insanity has got to stop.
rozagain 1 year ago
@rozagain And that is the irony of our situation. :)
There are so many people in the lower 99% income bracket who are yelling so loud and fighting so hard to push us further into the plutocracy we have now that it will eventually cause the total collapse of our capitalist system.
In the mean time the rest of the world will move on and prosper while looking back and laughing at our idiocy.
And to be clear, I am all for capitalism just not the self destructive "American Capitalism".
chaogenus 1 year ago
@rozagain Greed is Good my friend. Everything that's invented was created by someone who wanted to be rich. Youtube for example, iphones, cars, medicine...humans need incentive to work hard and "Greed" is the highest form of motivation.
bshafiee 1 year ago
If this continues, there's gonna be torches and pitchforks.
rozagain 1 year ago
@bshafiee: Socialist?! What a load of crap. As a working American, I pay my fair share of taxes. I expect the top 1% to pay their fare share as well! Why the hell should they get more of a break than us?! I don't get "allowed to keep" more of my income. Bullshit. And who brought the economy to it's knees in the first place?! The wealthy banks and Wall Street. Who needed TARP? Who got the relief? And then blew it on outrageous things -- like parties, trips and bonuses?! The rich.
rozagain 1 year ago 37
@rozagain you seriously think TARP money was spent on parties, trips, bonuses? lol.
bshafiee 1 year ago
@rozagain Poor people party too. I believe I agree with your argument but it's important to keep the facts clear and arguments objective.
What would you consider 'fair share'? THAT is what the debate is about. Nothing more; Nothing less.
oddjobmj 1 year ago
get this socialist piece of shit out of here. this is america, not sweden. allowing people to keep 700billion of their own money isnt "giving them money". It's our money to begin with. lets start with the government spending less then we can talk about paying higher taxes.
bshafiee 1 year ago
@bshafiee
do you really think hedge fun managers and ceos deserve 20,000-100,000 times the amount of income made by the average college bachelors graduate or will you concede the infrastructure of the economy was designed by those at the top to maximize the wealth of those at the top to an absolute insane degree?
Correct, we're not Sweden-they're the ones with the phenomenal society/flourishing middle class loaning our wealthiest 1% money.
runndrumnswim 1 year ago
@bshafiee From 1968 to 2006 income for the bottom 99% increased 12% while income for the top 1% increased 182%. Pay ratios went from $40 : $1 to today's $400 : $1.
Is that $700 billion earned or stolen from the 99%.
Based on statements like yours a good portion of the 99% are also so brainwashed that their only response to flat earnings and increasing personal debt while the GDP and wealthy continue to prosper is to demand that the 99% get screwed even more by the top 1%.
Enjoy yourself.
chaogenus 1 year ago
AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND GET THE FUCK RID OF IT.
fnovax 1 year ago
Bernie Sanders for President! At least he will take a stand!
mgorjian 1 year ago 2
@mgorjian
Yeah, I like the way he thwarted Ron Paul's "Audit the Fed" effort. Now, at least we know who Bernie works for -- the billionaires! (As if we didn't know it before.)
LibertaerUeberAlles 1 year ago
@LibertaerUeberAlles we know who they all work for....and truly.....they're all in bed together....its never been a mystery and has been that way for decades.....but i'm hopeful....maybe things will turn around in the next few years for everyone....
mgorjian 1 year ago
@LibertaerUeberAlles Ron Paul is more of the same shit, screw the public support the billionaires.
H.R.1657 in 2005 Ron wants to remove laws that make corporate CEOs liable for fraudulent financial statements.
H.R.2265 in 2001 Ron wants to remove oversight of dietary supplement quackery so his buddies can screw consumers at will.
H.CON.RES.231 in 1999 Ron wants to risk war by declaring foreign lands property of the U.S.
Same tired bullshit over and over. Kick the bum out.
chaogenus 1 year ago
@chaogenus
Thanks for the informed comment! Here's what I think:
H.R.1657 - Ok, so CEOs must be CPAs, as well? What if a sports pro wants to start an equipment manufacturing company; must he first become an accountant? Do you think risking 25-years imprisonment for non-fraud errors might cause him to forgo the venture (and forgo creating a job for you)? Where in the Constitution does the fed gov have authority to regulate contracts between private businesses and their shareholders?
LibertaerUeberAlles 1 year ago
@LibertaerUeberAlles
1) Financial statements include CEO statements on the business. Check SEC filings for yourself.
2) You don't eliminate laws because some people are innocent, a court of law determines guilt, Ron Paul wants to let CEOs off without any due process.
3) As an entrepreneur I don't require somebody else to create me a job, my job is created by the demand of my customers.
4) The purpose of the Constitution IS to protect citizens from all types of oppression.
Ron=Same Old Shit
chaogenus 1 year ago
@chaogenus
Where's the due process in holding someone criminally liable for a bookkeeping error? Isn't this what dictatorial regimes and police states do?
The purpose of the Constitution is to define how government is structured along with the federal government's relation to the individual states and people. Where do you get the idea that it protects you from all "types of oppression?" Where is this written?
Who's forcing you to purchase stock shares in a private company, anyway?
LibertaerUeberAlles 1 year ago
@LibertaerUeberAlles I recommend reading James Madison's letters sent to Thomas Jefferson concerning the process and outcome of the Constitution Convention. Specifically the October 24th 1787 letter.
He addresses the failure of law, order and liberty under the Articles of Confederation by individual states as the reason the Convention came about and succeeded.
He also addresses oppression by various groups from economic to political and even religious.
chaogenus 1 year ago
@LibertaerUeberAlles In response to your worries about a dictatorship.
Due process includes every step of the legal process. Nobody is going to be jailed for a bookkeeping error, that is a dumb argument.
Again, go read some SEC filings, they are mostly business statements from the CEO and board, NOT from the accountants.
And nobody is forced to be a CEO, if a CEO takes issue with being accountable for their actions then don't take the position.
Ron wants to protect scum bags like Enron.
chaogenus 1 year ago
@chaogenus
H.R.2265 - Since when are food and (presumably non-synthetic) dietary supplements considered "drugs?" It looks to me like he's removing a pro-Big Pharma portion of existing legislation. Are you suggesting that Ron Paul and his friends have some type of vitamin scam going on? Multi-level marketing, perhaps???
LibertaerUeberAlles 1 year ago
@LibertaerUeberAlles
The FDA acronym stands for Food AND Drug Administration.
The scam is this, you and may others have some personal believes about politics and economics, some of which I agree with, and you believe Ron Paul is your saviour but you and may others only listen to Ron's rhetoric but you've never read any of his bills.
I'm bringing you the news, Ron Paul does not represent you, he is more of the same tired shit. Read his real record, not his rants on youtube.
chaogenus 1 year ago
@chaogenus
Right, but apparently the original bill prohibited producers of natural foods from making claims about their products. For example, "An apple a day keeps the proctologist away, so try our condensed apple pills."
If Ron Paul is such a friend of big business, then why isn't he getting tons of corporate money?
LibertaerUeberAlles 1 year ago
@LibertaerUeberAlles Legislation is usually reactionary, something goes wrong and legislation is put in place as a response.
If all that occurred was your benign statement about apples then I doubt there would be any legislation, the fact is there are outrageous claims made that in some cases not only result in people wasting their money in the scam but they may also forego real medicine to their own detriment.
If they don't lie then their is no need to worry about the legislation.
chaogenus 1 year ago
@chaogenus
H.CON.RES.231 - The 1999 bill states that the Panama Canal Zone should be US property. The reason given in the bill is that America spent a half-billion dollars to build the canal and spends a half-billion dollars each year to maintain it. I dunno, in lieu of declaring it US property, maybe he'd have preferred not to spend any US money to maintain it? Just guessing, of course.
LibertaerUeberAlles 1 year ago
@LibertaerUeberAlles
LOL, and here I thought you were a Libertarian, my mistake, you are actually a warmongering imperialist that supports a plutocracy.
Your in good company with Ron Paul. I didn't believe he truly represented your views but actually he does.
Me, I'll stick with liberty and as long as the United States is under the Constitution you will fail with your warmongering imperialism.
chaogenus 1 year ago
@chaogenus
Actually, I don't really have an opinion on the sanity|insanity of relinquishing the Panama Canal. I can only speculate on Ron Paul's reasoning: Aside from the US taxpayers' investment, he was concerned about Red China's position as lockkeeper. Now, a decade later, it appears that the basis for his concerns have been realized. Oh well, I guess there's always Cape Horn :-/
But let's also keep in mind that he opposed interventionism in the China-Taiwan relationship.
LibertaerUeberAlles 1 year ago
@LibertaerUeberAlles
I have an opinion.
The 1903 Panama treaty was made between the U.S. and a FRENCH diplomat.
The 1977 Carter treaty gave the land back to the people of Panama AND left open our right to defend the neutrality of the canal with our military.
The take over of the lease to operate the canal by a company based in Hong Kong was just business and has worked out just fine.
Ron was dead wrong and dumb on his legislation, he hates sovereign nations and will just have to suck it up.
chaogenus 1 year ago
80% of all new Income went to top 1% of the wealthiest mullionaires & billionaires, which probably includes director of Homeland security, Michael Chernoff who MADE around $200 MILL ON cancer causing Xray machines for the airport. I have name at least 10 people right off the back that are either related or a neighbor who have either had cancer & many have died, & I don't know anyone who has died from a bomb. Yet the US has with Secret & PRivate soldiers spent $3 Trillion & lives in war.
WanaCare2 1 year ago
ALL you numbnuts out there that ALWAYS try to make this about Dems and Repubs...STFU!!! It's what they want us to do...NOT all, but the vast majority of our elected officials only care about getting payed.
Just look at what our elected officials are trying to cram down our throats AGAIN...an AMNESTY for NON-US., ILLEGAL tresspassers. Shouldn't our borders be secured FIRST before we try to deal with THEM? Is it that some officials want the border open...the drug money is plentiful these days!!!
gunloc26 1 year ago
1Guitarslayer 1 year ago
@1Guitarslayer see its people like u that just dont get it, it isnt healthcare or ssi, its taxes being cut & not paid for, 2 wars, a millitary out of control as in over 140 instalations around the world as in 633 billion dollars a yr, earmaks & pork, lobbyists, homeland securty with over 800,000 employees, no taxes need to go up, gov spending cut, pay down the deficit, thats our real enemy debt, you all can fight back & 4th but its not going to solve anything, keep it up america is doomed period
jetbtkng 1 year ago
1Guitarslayer 1 year ago
but if we as a nation dont address the problems we face, how can u pay the deficit down when were lowering taxes & in 2 wars, our military budget is 43% of worlds millitary budgets, its more of the same bullshit, the debt keeps going up, & the dollar will colapse, nobody seems to get this, they think it'll pay for it self, reps want to cut taxes when they already did, it failed & because neither side will actually comprimise america will die, we all have sacrifice to save the country ....
jetbtkng 1 year ago
I hope something gives and we finally get a balanced budget. We've had 10 years of deficit spending to 'stimulate' our economy. That never works. If it did, why not do it all the time? Well now we see that borrowing and printing money gets us nowhere. The short-term benefits are immensely overshadowed by the the long-term consequences.
hodoprime 1 year ago
granted I believe this guy is a open socialist but he speaks the truth
bigjames88 1 year ago
Ahhh the nation were its bad to make your money. Hell wheres my government check. Hell lets not work when a demorat can steal someones money and give it to me. WOOT! Great idea demoturds!
plainbob13 1 year ago
Whats happening in America right now is a Egineered Economic Collapse.
Derivatives, Put Options, Foreclosure Fraud, Bank Bailouts, do you people actually understand what happen to our Country?
This was Financial Fraud of epic proportions and the Democrats and Republicans are both to blame.
Stop being Party Loyal to the point of stupidity, open your eyes, do some research and you will see that they all robbed us!
Do your research sheeple and throw out your propaganda filled TV's!
PsychStudent85 1 year ago 34
@PsychStudent85 "Stop being Party Loyal to the point of stupidity", very well said because they are all working against us for their own interests!
Watch this clip of Jesse Ventura on Judge Napolitano's Freedom Watch,
watch?v=CG-_RyOcK1I
When I heard him I was floored because he couldn't have said it any better! Politics in America is like Wrestling! The sad fact is that most American's are Party Loyal and don't really get what is truely happening to us behind the scenes. Thumbs Up!
48SunDancer 1 year ago 9
@PsychStudent85 I will probably get in trouble for this statement, but I don't care. I think it's time for the people to revolt. We need to rip the two party, corrupt system down by any means neccessary. If brute force is needed, I don't give a shit. The people who have corrupted our republic are traitors anyway and deserve no mercy. If we all cooperate they can't stop us all!
Newenlightenmentnow 1 year ago
@PsychStudent85 I could not agree more. And I did not come this conclusion, overnight, because of speeches on TV.
55ella2007k 1 year ago
Almost all Democrats and Republicans are cut from the same cloth!
Turn off your TV's and throw them out the window because everyone is lying to us! Almost all of our Politicians are bought and paid for and we have a controlled media thats lying to us also.
Obama is following Bush's path and nothing is changing.
The middle class is dying and our jobs are being outsourced!
You want change then vote for the guy they all fear, Ron Paul 2012!
Ron Paul is the only 1 that will change this mess!
PsychStudent85 1 year ago 28
@PsychStudent85 Wake up
H.R.1657 in 2005 Ron wants to remove laws that make corporate CEOs liable for fraudulent financial statements.
H.CON.RES.231 In 1999 Ron resolves that the U.S. should steal sovereign land from Panama.
H.R.5078 in 2000 Ron writes some disrespectful statements about Thomas Jefferson and requests that states be given the right to implement theocratic Christian rule.
There is more Ron Paul crap where that came from. Same tired shit screwing citizens and their rights.
chaogenus 1 year ago
@PsychStudent85 Psych Student or Psych Ward?
SuperOldschool1969 1 year ago
@PsychStudent85 Nobody “fears” Ron Paul. If anything they probably have pity for the senile and disturbed asshole. His crude raw capitalistic ideas, that the Republicans hold, are the reason why this nation is in this mess. You dumb sheep.
SuperOldschool1969 1 year ago
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tittlemouse1969 1 year ago
@SuperOldschool1969 - Ron Paul is an Ayn Rand fan. He has an anti-social agenda of hyper-individualism
tittlemouse1969 1 year ago
@SuperOldschool1969 The paid trolls who sold their souls chime in on my comments! You make me feel good when you do that because I know my message and Ron Paul's message is right on target! You are either ignorant and oblivious to what I wrote or just another paid troll who scrolls through the comments and tries to discredit them because your paid to do so! Keep the ignorance and sickness alive and come see me for help with your mental issues when I graduate and I am licensed to help you!
PsychStudent85 1 year ago
@PsychStudent85 *Yawn* You need to get back on your meds, your babbling is incoherent.
SuperOldschool1969 1 year ago
@SuperOldschool1969 .........SuperOldFool, stay ignorant just the way they like you!
PsychStudent85 1 year ago
@SuperOldschool1969 Not really. Republicans don't hold true capitalistic ideas. They might say they do, but truly they've spent just as much, if not more than democrats. Even if you disagree with Dr. Paul's ideas, you should still respect him. He's the only one in congress who is consistent in his position throughout the years.
bshafiee 1 year ago
I t is only a matter of time before the poor and unemployed Americans shall rise up in arms and defend their right to the American Dream that they have paid for with the lives of their ansestors that have fought and died to defend this Country. If health care and SS colapse then it will happen. Prepare to hide, better idea leave the USA, if someone like Sara Palin is elected I am out of here, too many bad things are comming in the near future dont be blind to it see the truth.
Spoke57 1 year ago
this guy is a socialist by his own words...enough said!!!
PatricksTime 1 year ago
@PatricksTime Is that a bad thing?
XM8rifle 1 year ago
@XM8rifle it is if you are hard working american! if you sit on your ass and wait for unemployment checks it should help your cause...
PatricksTime 1 year ago
@PatricksTime You fucking ignorant bastard. All of these people are on welfare because of the shitty laws that YOU NEOCONS passed.
XM8rifle 1 year ago
@XM8rifle name one law that the neocons passed that have put people on welfare. and i didn't pass any laws...
PatricksTime 1 year ago
@PatricksTime NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, the WTO, to name just a few. There's also TORT Reform, TARP...the list goes on and on
XM8rifle 1 year ago
@XM8rifle nafta was signed into law by bill clinton in 1994, gatt was created in 1947, WTO was signed into law in 1995, and tort reform has only been talked about never been implemented. TARP was created by Tim Geithner obama's right hand man...let me know if you have any other bright ideas!
PatricksTime 1 year ago
@PatricksTime Clinton had a very neoconservative base. You forget CAFTA, which was done under Bush. Geithner is a Republican.
Any other falsehoods you'd like to share?
XM8rifle 1 year ago
@XM8rifle you got schooled!!!
PatricksTime 1 year ago
@PatricksTime I provided you with a clear fact, and that means that I got schooled?
How old are you?
XM8rifle 1 year ago
@PatricksTime you sure can throw around words like "socialism" when you don't know what they mean.
social programs don't interest you? pubilc schools and fire departments?
ilyadvi 1 year ago
@ilyadvi bernie sanders considers himself a democratic socialist...i am not just throwing words around! Look it up!
he is not talking about schools and fire departments he is talking about redistribution of wealth...which is socialism you stupid commie! now i am throwing words around to show how stupid you are!
PatricksTime 1 year ago
@PatricksTime then you should clarify before painting social programs dirty.
i didn't say anything about sanders
ilyadvi 1 year ago
80 % of the new income went to the top percent...SO FUCK THEM..stop voting Republican you fucking working class redneck slobs
richardmulroy 1 year ago
@richardmulroy
How many times can someone be wrong using such a short comment?
First, 80% is incorrect.
Second, I don't know what "The Top Percent" even means. The top "WHAT" Percent?
Third, Lower taxes does NOT produce "NEW INCOME" it doesn't take the income that already exists.
Fourth, Republicans want lower taxes, Democrats want higher taxes.
So the working clas should stop voting Republican for lower taxes and vote Democrat for higher taxes. Yea! That's the way to create jobs.
mickeysears 1 year ago
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
You cannot tax a nation into prosperity and you cannot borrow yourself out of debt.
thebigdrop 1 year ago
@thebigdrop WRONG NUMB NUTS!!! Just cuz some people are wealthy does not mean your country is prospering, in fact you are only creating stagnation
richardmulroy 1 year ago
@richardmulroy
Each of my 5 points are facts. Feel free to refute them.
We live in the most prosperous country in the history of the world. That is another fact.
People live the lives they want. If someone wanted to be a millionaire and spent every waking minute of their life pursuing that goal they will do it. In America they can. I don't know a single person who had that goal who has not done it.
But most people want to watch TV, or be a teacher, or have a family. All great things.
thebigdrop 1 year ago
@thebigdrop It's not prosperous if only a few benefit from that prosperity on a real, fundamental level. And as far as living the lives they want... what you are referring to is sociopathy. When someone is so driven to make millions of dollars that they feel fine isolating themselves from social networks (other than profitable ones), that is sociopathy. These are the people at "the top." People who think it all boils down to "drive" and really just can't empathize with others in a normal way.
cuarrech 1 year ago
@thebigdrop Also, Norway is the most prosperous country right now, the 2nd year in a row. Do your research before you spew ignorant statements like that.
cuarrech 1 year ago
@cuarrech I have done my research. I disagree with the methods used to define "prosperous."
Clearly you are grasping at straws because the facts of my original argument are irrefutable.
I agree we both want the bottom to come up and the poor to become more prosperous. It is a lofty goal but stealing from the rich to give to the poor will not work. If you took away all the money from the rich they will earn it all back in short order because they know how to make money.
watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A
thebigdrop 1 year ago
@thebigdrop The rich got that way by taking the money away from the poor in the first place. They got that way by cheating a lot of people a little bit, because they can. Since the machine (corporate laws, etc) that would allow this behavior is fundamentally broken, the best we can do is patch it up from the outside with taxes.
cuarrech 1 year ago
@cuarrech Unfortunately your stereotyping of huge range of people, men, women, whites, blacks, Asians, Indians etc. who are wealthy blinds you from the facts and is unacceptable
There are righteous rich. There are unrighteous rich. There are righteous poor and unrighteous poor.
There are over one million millionaires in the US not all of them got that way by by theft. Most of these people came up with unique goods and services that people wanted.... and they purchased them... not at gunpoint.
thebigdrop 1 year ago
@thebigdrop Unique goods and services.. many of those goods designed here, made cheaply in China (notice, not American jobs there), and often designed with planned obsolescence in mind (the hallmark of "good" engineering is that it goes kaput right after the warranty runs out!). What is that, if not intentional robbing of the poor for whom each dollar spent means so much more, just in the future? That is just ONE of the many ways in which the system is set up to favor the rich.
cuarrech 1 year ago
@thebigdrop And sir, I was generalizing, not stereotyping. There are always exceptions to a generalization. I accept that. There are wealthy people in existence that I would consider legitimately so. They are few and far between. That something IS a generalization (and therefore by default subject to exceptions) doesn't make it generally untrue.
cuarrech 1 year ago
@thebigdrop - These people, the wealthiest, do you really think they "work" for the money they receive, on an level playing field, a value based system? Are the hours a CEO puts into a day really worth millions of times more money than than the grunt on the lower levels? When one has attained wealth and power, it is maintained it by manipulation. The wealth and power gets passed down NOT by merit, but more by cronyism. I think your capitalist idealism has skewed your assessment of reality.
cuarrech 1 year ago
@cuarrech
To your points:
Yes wealthy people work for their money. Some don't.
Some poor people work for their money... Some don't.
Many are. If a bad CEO in charge of hundreds of millions of dollars of salaries destroyed the jobs of hundreds of grunts many would have happily paid a better CEO more to protect their jobs. Like sports... how much is too much? It’s the market. The market decides.
Not all success is cronyism. That just diminishes the accomplishments of people like me.
thebigdrop 1 year ago
@thebigdrop "The market" is a euphemism for the careful calculation of "how much can I take from them before they revolt" aka GREED. It's an awfully convenient one-word absolution of social responsibility, it's so conveniently impersonal. When 99% of the sociopaths at "the top" are operating under the umbrella of this impersonal "market," then working class people are backed into a corner. And how about the engineer who knows all the switches? HE could destroy a lot of jobs. Where's his money?
cuarrech 1 year ago
YouTube vid right up the alley of all the haters and class warfare warriors.
watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A
thebigdrop 1 year ago
letting people keep the money they earn is not redistribution of wealth!!!
redistribution of wealth does not create wealth!!!
PatricksTime 1 year ago
@PatricksTime It absolutly can create wealth by preventing stagnation of the economy like we are seeing right now
richardmulroy 1 year ago
@richardmulroy than we should all quit our jobs and collect checks from the government! that's what your saying will create wealth???
PatricksTime 1 year ago
@buddcinder
If 50% of the US citizen is like you, who are that easily influence, I think america would had collapsed. Even though US is surviving, but the percentage of people like you is significant enough to cause problem.
lXciD 1 year ago
Too bad the billionairs put Obama in power.
buddcinder 1 year ago
@buddcinder
???
Last time I checked, the billionaires supported McCain.
MrJustplainevils 1 year ago
@MrJustplainevils Do you really think there is a differance. You can't see that these billionaires hedge there bets? Have you notice a single differance in policy between Obama and what Bush was doing?
Bush, Obama, Palin, McCain, or a scarecrow, doesn't matter anymore. The republicans protect their corporations and the democrats protect their corporations. The corporations reap the planets resources while the military/Nato protects them......and the bankers are funding the whole thing on us.
buddcinder 1 year ago
@buddcinder
its true
fucking harry reid is a sold out
as much of the democrats
I think that I know that man in the video.. independent I think from vermont?
A true socialist who does't give a shit about rich people. Thank god, some people actually read facts.
YoungSpotUBrock 1 year ago
@MrJustplainevils
Bill Gates
Warren Buffet
George Soros
Jay Rockefeller IV
All contribute heavily to The Democrats
mickeysears 1 year ago
bernies right arm looks like it has a life of its own
harv508 1 year ago 2
Rich people wouldn't be rich in the first place if it wasn't for redistribution of wealth. Its the workers who build the cars, the highways, etc. but its the rich man who leeches off of us, the workers' wealth. Taxing the rich to provide for the poor and the middle class is taking back the wealth that is rightfully ours.
spartan2600 1 year ago 2
Does anyone know if Congress and Senate have the same taxation as everyone else. I am sure there are a lot of millionaires and billionaires... Funny how they want all government jobs to take a 10% pay cut, BUT! Congress, Senate & President are exempt from the pay cut.. Oh and yes.. If the new health care was so great for everyone why is Congress, Senate, President and select special interest groups exempt from that too... What is good for the people should be good for them,,,
vscofield1 1 year ago 2
@vscofield1 ~~> BO said that doing away with the bush tax breaks would be against his financial intrests but it would be in the best intrest of the country...
sparkyj99 1 year ago
We already have a class war going on. And the rich are kicking our ass!!
chinacat22 1 year ago 2
The Fed was forced to reveal they paid out over $2trillion largely to European banks, and McDonalds in low-interest loans. None went to Mom and Pop homeowners here at home. That $2 trillion comes from us and goes to the billionaires.
Isn't that REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH from US to the BILLIONAIRES?
How is it they can get low interest loans and we don't? They turn around and make risky investments or loan the money to us at a HIGH interest rate.
bgates1128 1 year ago
Is it just me or does it seem more ppl are beginning to "get it" ... to stop drinking the republican koolaid?
I know well-educated, hard working ppl - one is a vet with a successful practice, another is a jr high school teacher. They were both summarily dropped by the private insurance company death panels. These are good ppl. They don't siphon off wealth from the middle class, they're not dead-beats, both are good parents, pay their bills including their insurance premiums while they had it.
bgates1128 1 year ago
@all_who_disagree_with_wealthRedistribution If you think wealth redistribution is bad, then you should be appalled to hear about the disparity in tax rate Warren Buffet mentioned. He pays 16% and his secretary pays nearly double that.
Do you really think the government works for the rest of us. No. Government works for those with access and influence. So the disparity in tax rate mentioned by Buffet is REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH from us TO THE BILLIONAIRES.
bgates1128 1 year ago 13
This got me pretty hot.
tigerdogfarts 1 year ago
Check out my front page for more information on wealth distribution.
Also, "Who Rules America" by Proff Bill Domhoff.
Boils down to the reality that 20% of us owns 93% of all financial wealth and their % grows larger every year.
Their stacks of hundreds are 3 miles high on average.
Yet the "right" will call you a Communist for just talking about it.
We let them back in the car with a full tank of gas so they could drive us off the cliff they were working on driving us off in 2008.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
Voting for a republican is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders. I fear, we will not wake up in time. Socialism? Maybe we should get rid of Medicare, SS, police, fire fighters, public schools, etc. etc. Greed is not the answer.
victor4662994 1 year ago 11
Hmm... They are ALL bozos TO EVER take a larger salary than the national average ($32K) esp. when many are out of work. 535 in congress making an average of $196K a year? That's over $106 mill. in salaries! They also get allowances, perks,cushy savings plans, and private insurance. EACH SPOUSE GETS A PENSION. WHY? Spkr ada House = $223K H and S Maj/Min Ldrs = $193K H/S Mmbr & Dlgts = $174K We NEED term limits back! .We must demand it in the next election.Google congress salaries. I did. CRAP!
mipstudio1 1 year ago
@mipstudio1 More the problem is that the people making it into congress are all rich anyhow.. It'd be interesting to know what the average wealth/salary of congressmen was in the year before they got in to office.
That's the problem with a system where by he with the biggest budget can buy enough advertising to win..
NathanAndBike 1 year ago