Jehovah's Witnesses have published BILLIONS of books, booklets, brochures, tracts... a veritable HUGE FLOOD of printed publications. The greatest religious publishing arm in the history of the world.
Yet NOBODY has here or on the Internet or anywhere else even shown or reproduced JUST ONE that said the end would come in 1975. No Watchtower headline, no brochure, no tract with that headline.
So if the "Watchtower" is a "false prophet" it was a very very QUIET ONE.
What is very scary about this video is that these people appear to be intelligent individuals now. Were they then, back when they were JW's. I have a family member now imeshed with this cult and it appears that logic and reason do not exist in their thinking?
I feel sad, I was born into the JWs, this is very saddening. Truth be told, God my Father forcefully took me out of there or else I would still be in there. My hope is God will allow the good JWs to see the deceit and to walk out of Babylons arm. They still have my poor mom captive.
@eternityandforever please give me wrong predictions given by the disciples in the bible as you have stated in your post? I haven't read one prediction from the New Testament that lists a specific date to Armageddon-multiple false dates have been given many times by Jehovah's Witnesses. Salvation and being one of "GOD;s People" is not achieved by being a JW try reading the New Testament without using the Watchtower tracts as a guide. Salvation isn't achieved through religion!
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when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him.DEUTERONOMY 18:22 FALSE PROPHET..
Charles Taze Russell never gave any prophecies at all, neither concerning 1874 or 1914. Nevertheless, Russell, in the year 1876 (2 years after 1874) adopted Barbour's studies of Biblical prophecy which point to 1874 and 1914. The dates 1874 and 1914, in other words, did not originate with Russell.
LISTEN to the bible, and STOP listening to the liars on the internet. JW's really follow Jesus. THEY follow Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ in Heaven!They made predictions,then corrected them when new insight was given from Jehovah.The early disciples kept thinking the kingdom was going to come at THEIR time-Matthew 24:3,Acts 1:6. They also had fights between them about who was the greatest among them. Judas turned in Jesus to be killed. Peter denied Jesus 3 times. They were IMPERFECT men.
Hmm Armgdon may not have come at 1975 but we have been at war for the last 15 years. and I can say all but JW died in the war. I am not saying its true I am just saying BUT its probably not right and the world will not end for like 500 years.
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I grew up in this cult. Tried other religions after I got out. Came to the LOGICAL conclusion that god is a fairy tale and EVERY SINGLE religion has this carrot on a stick approach to keep ignorant and weak sheeple in line and on the hook so that the religious organizations can keep flush with cash.
I begin to associate with Jehovah's Witnesses in the early 1970's. I was taken up in the 1975 lie. Even when I KNEW it was a lie I couldn't walk away. Not for decades. The Watchtower Society will use fear to keep people in line. I'm no longer afraid of them. I know the source of their knowledge. The Almighty cannot lie. The father of the lie is Satan. Their spiritual source is Satan the devil.
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But don't you know you all made this up...you were overzealous about 1975... the Society NEVER stated that the end was coming in 1975? Just ask anyone still in the JWs...thats what they'll tell you. I was there-I know what you're all saying is true. I cried at a family reunion in 1974, at age 13, and saying " I will never see any of my relatives again." I have since apologized to my relatives for my family's pious behaviour/
You are right, I was there too as a young kid in 1974/5. I treated my own mother badly for not wanting to become a JW and not willing to "listen to the truth", but many years later I came to my senses and reconciled with my mother.
She's since 5 yrs dead. Imagine my sorrow now if I hadn't apologized!
@tommotian It's amazing how the JWs try to portray what happened as "overzealous publishers" fault. I know I wouldnt have wanted to bring upon myself the ridicule that I went through after 1975 without the org stating it as fact. I am glad you got to reconcile with your mother...very few do.
Time is the JW's greatest enemy!...anyone can claim to have gods backing and be the true and only channel to god..in fact this is what all cults and most religions do...the JW's are very sneaky in this area..constantly building up expectations and then changing their views cos the date has come and gone!..false prophets...certainly you would have to be thick or stupid or really deluded to believe those 12 men in new york have gods spirit directing them and them alone!..utter BS!..Wise up JW's!
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book."
I was a pioneer during the period of 1975 and in the congregation I was there wasn't made a great deal of fuss about it. In fact I can distinctly remember the need for caution. I knew one or two highlighted 1975 but those persons tended to exaggerate matters.
It's amazing they didn't just tell everyone to kill themselves like that other cult. The Jim Jones crew. Wow. Its only 35 years after armageddon. Be patient people. :0 Atleast these people didn't ignore the red flags that this is indeed a cult, full of wolves in sheep's cloths. The got OUTTA THERE. People lost everything. The watchtower society got PAID. Theives.
I loved this video :) Ive met many of these fine people in person over the years and read the books of others, and gone to court with Duane Magnani in child custody cases against a whole SLEW of idiot WTS lawyers and watched the JWs lie like rugs on the stand. I am proud to know them all. Make MORE of these videos! The internet is the way to reach people and will be the downfall of this family destroying cult!
Lovingsurrender, you have taken the right stand. I'm all on your page. I was a JW for 30 years! and very active, and I left for doctrinal reasons.
The Internet will bring the Governing Body down. Now they can't hide their dirty history from the friends any longer. The Watchtower falsification of its history reminds me of the old Communist system in Eastern Europe, they did the same, they also had all "the Truth", only it was the political one!
@Lovingsurrender Hello, have any of you heard or read that the second coming of Christ and Jugdement Day will take place on May 21, 2011; and the end of this world and the entire physical universe will take place on October 21, 2011? The great tribulation period(which I think they mean a spiritual war) begun in the year 1988 and will end next year in 2011? This another christian faith.
being a jw splts up familys and brain washs you to think there way is "the truth" i lost my gran when my dad left becouse she was told not to mix with non jws and only jws will be saved when the end of the world happens when CHIRST who is the template of all faths rules again surly he would save all his followers that blows holes in there fath along with the 1975 theroy when most jws sold eveything i bet the top dogs in the wt didnt what a load of bs all of it
Charles Taze Russell was a pompus, self-interested false prophet and he is going to have to stand in front of Jesus at the Great White Throne Judgment and answer for denying the Diety of Jesus ... it will suck to be him.
You know whats so sad, the modern day JWs doesnt even know about 1975. If you bring it up they'll say the watchtower never did that. I cant believe that people will not research it for themselves. They JWs can see false in other religions but not their own. Thats so sad that they are blinded by false phophets. But the bible warns us about the watchtower and many many other false phophets.
I was in the JWs prior to 1975 (left for good in 1982) and I remember all of the things mentioned in this video like it was yesterday. If they really were "the Truth" why won't they address the issue of their predicting "Armegeddon" with embarrassing inaccuracy since 1874? Especially since they claim to have a direct line to God....
Nah, I don't want a mansion, a tent under a willow tree would be fine with me, without people like you there, it would be a real PARADISE Poconoporker. LOL
LOL, POCONOPOKER, you have a very nice gander about you don't you. Maybe I will see your dead body after armegeddon and have the pleasure of burying it. LOL
In my opinion, it's too BAD IT DID'NT COME IN 1975, what sane person does not want JEHOVAH GOD AND JESUS TO RULE. The world since 1975 has become extremely more wicked, alot more wicked then I thought it would be. I can't wait until Jehovah destroyes this system of things, this world is horrible. Now were in a depression and millions of people are losing their homes. Only more horrible things to come.
Oh get over it the 1975 thing. I was a JW's at the time also, and was very upset of what occured. I'm not going to whine and moan about it anymore, and use it as an excuse to attack the Watchtower. The Watchtower NEVER came out and SAID, THAT ARMEGEDDON IS COMING IN the year 1975. Did they hint at it, yeah. But, I'm not going to use this as a whipping stick to attack the whole body of JW's and their teachings. They have been cleaning out thousands of years of false doctrines, takes time.
If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the 'last days' in 1914. - Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15
I was 12 in 1969. Like many, I was obedient to the Society and never went to college and have no pension, The GB are poison.
STM you know they changed that whole Generation that Saw 1914 thing? Like five times now? Changing and changing and NEW LIGHTING it right out of existence. But if that goes then 1918 has to go and 1930 and all that crap about this generation shall not pass away blah blah blah...its almost been 100 years WTS. What NOW bros? Oh yeah. what are we on now like...Plan W? What a joke.
Yes I know and now a 'generation' can last for around 140 years according to the WT as it now apparently pictures anointed ones alive in 1914 whose lives overlap with anointed still alive today!
They apparently have their own definition of the word 'generation', like they have done with the word 'apostate.'
Get over yourselves....You all who left the faith failed to heed the scripture at Math 24:36 "Concerning that day and hour NOBODY!! knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son but only the Father".....where is your faith. You relied on man's words and not Gods so its your own fault.
But lissybub, as good little Jehovah's Witnesses, aren't we taught to believe that all new light sent to us from the Governing body is straight from Jehovah God?
It was taught to me atleast that everything elders tell us is inspired from god so why wouldn't we adhere to these mens word.
but how would people know if those men were lying or not if they were taught to believe everything they say? Lissy y are you so angry? I'm not trying to disprove your religion or anything..all i want is some understand and answers. I used to serve under Jehovah witnesses. But lately i been drawing farther away gradually because of people like you...you get angry whenever anyone questions one thing about you guys. Instead of offering a perfectly reasonable explanation you throw tantrums.
Good point, rickybrk. You could indeed call the Governing Body apostate, because they drew away disciples after themselves, away from the true teachings of Jesus. I was there when 1975 was announced as the date for Armageddon. They actually did it.
Are you JWs anxious for those of us who oppose you to, as a group, just die at Armageddon counted among the wicked?
Is it because we disagree with you that, as stated in the the The Watchtower, feb 15, 1981: "we cannot find the scriptural guidance we need outside the Faitful and Discreet Slave"?
Is it?
Won't life be wonderful without people like me who disagree with your organization?
so you all worship a date or numbers,, your all so fucked.. it does matter.. because now things are as they are written,, as so as time goes on your going nowhere.. but its true it did nt happen then,, .. but it will happen soon,, and look where u are .. fucked.. bottom line.. thats the apostates destiny .. oh you poor fools.. enjoy your fame on the internet,, so vain.. so empty.. you like it... assholes.. your so fucked.. now where are you going to go?? blind follow the blind..
tom-"Let's see if you JWs try to censure this one too! "
Talking about censure-Have you tried to reason with the jw's at the jw sites that are friendly toward jw's; here on youtube?
1st the monitor will delete your post then he/she will block you from posting, they love free speech as long as it agrees with thier free speech. they are a cult, as well as cowards (false prophets)
they messed up Jesus said no one knows that day But the Father if humans knew the date and hour people would only serve Jehovah out of selfishness not out of love
JWs are incapable of rational thought. Any discussion with them instantly reverts to the Watchtower. They make their predictions for all to see and then when they don't come true have a reason behind it. Then come new predictions. JWs put the Watchtower publication before everything, including the Bible.
Which is why I (a JW) have consistantly been using logic and bible backing (not the WT), and this DX guy has been obsessing over poorly written phrases in watchtowers showing the author's personal, human opinion and shouting "FAAAALSE PROPHET!"
How's about people argue with reason instead of ignorant ad hominem attacks?
das-"consistantly been using logic and bible backing"
If you go back and read your post, you will see that, that statement is false. Youve only mention a couple of scriptures, one in Daniel, and when I challenged you to provide the scripture in Daniel that specifically stated that 1914,,, was the end of the world, you fail miserably. Mostly you have been towing your cults line of false doctrines.
No they were intentionally written to scare your readers into believing that the end or world was to be 1914, 1915, 1925, and 1975. The effect was bilking the gullible out of millions of dollars and millions of hours of free labor. Judge Rutherford lived like a king during the great depression. That is the definition of a cult.
Youre on the road to everlasting damnation; the scriptures say that the false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire rev 20:10. I'm trying to warn you that you are one with the false prophet. Now if you think Im shouting at you, I find that amusing; how can you hear me over the internet? Is it your prophet like powers that give you this ability? Tell me do you hear other voices besides mine?
Also, unlike SOME churches that will ONLY use the bible that suits their interest, we highly encourage our members to research various translations. We're the only ones I know of who will provide an interlinear translation for free to HELP people read the direct translation themselves. Just last week the talk was given using an NIV, and when we come to the door, we have no problem with you using whatever translation you want.
Dxc, you're confused. By "We" I meant the JWs. We're Christians, not a cult. If you're thinking of a "cult" you'll want to look for catholics and pentecostals.
To answer your question, Yes, we're aware of our history, including the mistakes. We fully know we misunderstood 1914, and we know that any other human guess so far hasn't been correct. But, they were never prophecies. They were always specified to be human guesses. Yes, some people over-reacted. That's not my fault.
No your a liar, and as a lair, you mark yourself a child of your father, the father fo the lie, you and your father Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire and will be tormented forever, Rev 20:10
das-"If you're thinking of a "cult" you'll want to look for catholics and pentecostals."
No, It has been determine that you are a cult, By your actions you are a cult, (if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck) or in your case, if it walks like a cult and acts like a cult, its a cult. Also by your actions you are also a false prophet, as discribed in matt 7:15 and matt 24:11
You've made that determination by what method? Because we've assumed that we're in "the last days" because the bible says that the end will come as a theif in the night, thereby commanding us to anticipate it's arrival any day. We're a cult for heeding that advice? Or, are we a cult for believing for us there is only one God, the Father IAW 1 corinthians 8:6?
And pentecostals aren't a cult, when they openly CLAIM to prophecy... a LOT... and, follow every definition of a cult?
Thats a lie, and you know that. Since your false prophet cult made the prediction that the "end of the world" was to be on those dates, than by that simple act your cult proclaimed to be a false prophet. Just because a murderer does not announce that he is a murder while he is murdering someone that does not mean he is not a murderer, no it's his actions that define him. Your actions have defined you as a false prophet.
Again, the 1914 date wasn't a prophecy WE made. It's in Daniel, check it for yourself. If you think the 1914 prophecy is a false prophecy, you're calling the bible a false prophet, not us. The 1975 date was SPECIFICALLY a human recognition that 1975 marked the end of the 6000th year of human history, a very logical time for the end to come.
Saying that "it would make sense for the end to come now, and we think it's likely to." and making a "prophecy" are two very different things.
Unwittingly, the WT Society has condemned itself from day one. 1975 was the biggest blunder they ever made. I remember the 1000's of Witnesses who trusted and lost everything. Everyone felt pressured to do more before 1975. Here' s a good article on how they prophesied their own destruction. Perhaps they will be right about this prophesy - TheJehovahsWitnesses . Org - articles - "World Peace and the End of False Religion"
Matt 7: 15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them.
Yes recognize the fruits of the jw's, they lie about their false prophesies, They disrepect our Lord and Savior, they teach false dontrines, and have blood on their hands, for each person that died because of their twisted blood transfusion doctorine, which i'm sure will change yet again. but to late for the already dead
I really feel sorry for the former JW's that were used in this video. All those years of service to God, gone for a date that did not come true. It was a true test of faith during those time and still true today. Why are we serving God? Is it to gain life or because of our love for him and His son Jesus Christ? Happily the majority of Jehovah's servants remained true to thier oath and continue w/o letup declaring the good news of God's Kindom as the only solution to all of mankinds problems.
More propaganda. All these "prophecies" they're talking about weren't "prophecies." The bible says the end will come "as a thief in the night." So, yes, we've made GUESSES (human, fallible, imperfect guesses, with no claimed divine guidance) as to possible dates that would make sense.
How many people thought the world would end at Y2K? How many say the same thing about 2012?
Will they be making videos about those "failed prophecies" for 100+ years?
Predicting the future in the name of Jehovah is by definition a prophecy. I totally understand why you would want to defend the leaders of the Watchtower, but isn't it more important to be biblical? If you choose to follow a false prophet, you have no business calling yourself a "Christian". You have deceived yourself. By an act of your will, you are believing man, rather than believing Jehovah's (YHWH) Holy word. Shall I follow he fallible words of men, or the infallible Word of YHWH? -Romans 8
The 1975 thing wasn't a "prediction in God's name" ... It marked the 6,000 anniversary of mankind. That's all the watchtower said. "This is a significant year, marking the 6,000th year of life on earth. Following the thousand years=1 day rule, this marks the beginning of the 7th day of mankind. Perhaps it will be significant."
That's it. Yes, quite a few people ignored the "perhaps" part... and that's foolish of them. But it wasn't a prophecy at all. Just an anniversary.
The typical JW apologist. You sir are truly Brainwashed. They got you right where they want you. Its crazy because you cant even see it. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize what they were referring to. They tried prediction of armegeddon prior to 1975 so why wouldnt they try it again???? But this time in the most subtle of ways with out actually mentioning the word. I wonder what is their next trick. Come on dude Think. Remove your mind from the WT bondage. Wake Up!
Sure, one of us is brainwashed. Want to know a clear indication of a person being manipulated? Someone who believes a group is "absolutely good" or "absolutely evil" based on propaganda.
I know the JWs aren't perfect, I disagree with a number of things taught, but the brainwashing in most of mainstream Christianity is rampant.
Just look at the trinity: It's impossible to understand, impossible to explain, but you MUST accept it unquestioningly. That's brainwashing.
Ok so when u disagree with those number of things thought, do you actually question those things to the WT, Elders, or whoever u run to, or do you simply ignore those thoughts in fear of being disfellowshipped for thinking independently??? That is Brainwashing my friend!
I've openly discussed my differing opinions with dozens of elders across a few congregations, along with many JW family members, and many non-elder members of the congregation... couldn't even venture to guess how many. I've been meaning to write into the watchtower itself, but they prefer snail-mail, and I prefer Email.
Would you be able to openly question the trinity in your church? Or say you thought Christmas was wrong to celebrate due to it's well-known pagan origins?
das-"question the trinity in your church? Or say you thought Christmas"
Trinity and Christmas are irrelavent, What is relavent is the fact that Chist Prophesied about your cult in matt 7:15, matt 24:11, and your cults fate is outline in rev 20:10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
How's about this... you're so sure about your accusations... present a shred of evidence. Find a watchtower quote declaring it a prophecy. Find any publication saying that "God had told them" this would happen. Find anything that says something other than "This is a significant date, and we think it very well could be the time when sin is washed away."
Go ahead, I'll be waiting.
The fact that a lot of people took this to mean something more than it was doesn't make them right
Again, what about the prophesies prior to 1975? How about 1914, and the other dates? What is the excuse for that? Come on, your MAN MADE religion has made many MAN MADE mistakes. Why are you trying to defend your cult? Is it because the WT told u to? Is it because you refuse to ignore the REAL TRUTH? or is it simply because your BRAIN WASHED????
I'm not denying the man-made mistakes regarding those guesses. They were arrogant and wrong to make in the first place. But, they weren't "prophecies." The 1914 date was based on the prophecy at Daniel 4:10. We didn't make the prophecy, but they understood this -bible prophecy- to mean something it didn't end up meaning. It was a human guess at what a bible prophecy meant... it wasn't a prophecy THEY made.
When 1914 came and went, people (humanly) decided that they'd misunderstood it, so maybe 1914 wasn't "the date" ... but maybe it was the last year before "the date." So, they thought perhaps it was 1915. Either way, these guesses were based on admitted fallible human logic. Some people worded it very arrogantly saying they were sure of it, and it WOULD happen... but it was based on their HUMAN logic. It was never claimed to be a message from God or prophetic.
das-"It was never claimed to be a message from God or prophetic,"
Did you even read the quotes i supplied, from your own publications. Listen, if your not interested in the truth, then so be it, that's up to you, however when it comes judgement day, and God judges you on whether you were loyal to a corporation in brooklyn or his son Jesus, and your answer is "well i was baptized as a jw, you won't be able to say you weren't warned. , and off to hell you go.
Yes... I read the quotes... and I responded to each and every one. NONE of the quotes you gave showed the JWs prophesying. They gave their human interpretation of a prophecy in Daniel 4 (note, this opinion was based on the KJV, there was no NWT at that time).
If it's a false prophecy... take it up with Daniel.
das-"Yes... I read the quotes...NONE of the quotes you gave showed the JWs prophesying."
That's your opinion, or should i say, that's you lying to try and twist and distort your cult's dubious past. Christ said, "you are from your father, the father of the lie" he also call you you "wolves in sheeps clothing" matt 7:15 So you don't fool me, you can twist your mind and lie all you want, in the end your only hurting yourself. rev 20:10
das-"They gave their human interpretation of a prophecy in Daniel 4 "
This is a post from two weeks ago.
show me the scripture in Daniel that specifically says that the end of the world was to come in 1914, e.g. "the world will end in 1914" (or,1915, 1925, 1975)
Are you honestly ignorant to think that's how prophecy works? Do you agree that there are hundreds of prophecies of the Christ in the OT... yet none of them mention the name "Jesus." One mentions the name "immanuel" ... which is the only time Jesus was ever called immanuel. Read for yourself, daniel 4:10... it's a rather vague prophecy... what do YOU think it points to? And, if you're wrong about what the prophecy about "a time, times, and half a time" means, does that make you a prophet?
das-"Are you honestly ignorant to think that's how prophecy works?"
No you are, I see that you were not able to produce the scripture that said that 1914 was the "end of the world" or as your cult teaches now; that it was the beginning of the end. tisk, tisk, Your cult leaders are like the blind leading the blind. But in the mean time, they are keeping you from salvation
das-"I'm not denying the man-made mistakes regarding those guesses........ it wasn't a prophecy THEY made."
Your funny, what you are asking, is for an instant in time when your cult leaders said "here we are making a prophesy" Hello?!!! that's not going to happen, no more then a murder saying "i'm a murderer" while he is murdering someone. Get it? your false prophet cult is defined by it's actions, it predicted the end of the world, the world is still ergo they are false prophets end of story
Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God (book) 1966 pp. 26-30
"the published timetable resulting from this independent study gives the date of man's creation as 4026 B.C.E. According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E. So six thousand years of man's existence on earth will soon be up, yes, within this generation."
And how do you intepret this to be prophecy? This is simply stating that according to the numbers in the bible, man's creation was around 4026 B.C.E. Do you consider that prophecy? They just made the statement that 1975 is the end of the 6,000th year of human existance.
That's not prophecy, that's math. You don't like math, I take it? They didn't say "God told us 1975 would bring armegeddon." They said "According to our math, 1975 is the 6,000th anniversary of human life!
Prophecy is when someone makes a prediction about the future. Now in the case of your cult, your prophesies failed to come true, making your cult leaders in brooklyn (drum roll) false prophets.
Not necessarily. Is the weather-man a prophet? If a high-ranking sports team is scheduled against a low-ranking one, and you say the better team will win, is that a prophecy? If you say "I'm going to buy milk tomorrow" is that a prophecy? No.
All but the 1914 dates were human opinions, no different than saying which sports team will win.
Prophecy is a "divinely inspired prediction, instruction, or exhortation." For them to be "prophesying" they would have to claim that "God told us..."
No, what that was, was the fulfillment of Christ prophecy of matt 7:15, matt 24:11.
Think about it, the bible tells of false prophets in the last days, your cult fulfills that. here is a partial list of modern day false prophets, 1)the watchtower bible and tract society, inc 2) davidians 3)heavengates 4) jonestown
We see no reason for changing the figures — nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, Gods dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.
Here it says that they (as humans) believe the 1914 date to be God's date -because of the prophecy at Daniel 4:10.- They're not saying "God told them."
Yes, they believed 1914 was the fulfillment of a prophecy... but it wasn't a prophecy THEY made, it was a prophecy at daniel 4:10. Being wrong about what a -bible prophecy- means does not make one a false prophet himself.
That's my point, get it? are you that brainwashed, LET ME SPELL IT OUT,,, WHAT I'M SAYING IS GOD DID NOT TELL THEM TO PROPHESY THAT 1914 WAS THE YEAR THAT THE END OF THE WORLD WOULD COME, THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT FROM GOD, THEY ARE IN FACT FALSE PROPHETS, get it? if God told them to say 1914 was the end, we would not be here talking about this, because the world and us would be gone.. is that clear?
The Watchtower Reprints, September 15, 1901, p. 2876
The culmination of the trouble in October, 1914, is clearly marked in the Scriptures; and we are bound therefore to expect a beginning of that severe trouble not later than 1910; — with severe spasms between now and then.
Again, they're still not saying that "God told us." They're basing the assumption on their (human) understanding of the prophecy at Daniel 4:10. Therefore, they, as humans, expected to see signs of the "end times" soon before.
And, how many churches today preach that we're in the "end times?" Listen to Christian radio for a day... it's -full- of people preaching the same message. Are they all false prophets for thinking "armegeddon seems to be coming soon, so we should be prepared?"
das-"And, how many churches today preach that we're in the "end times?"
many do, however they aren't stupid enough to put dates on it. They leave that to morons like the governing body, or the davidians, or to heavensgate, or the jonestown people, seriously tho, the only thing missing from your cult is the kool-aid, so if they ever start passing out kool-aid at the k-hall, listen to me, run out the door, (if you can) and call 911
In this chapter we will present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the Gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men.
Another example that they're using their understanding of -bible evidence-... -They- were not prophecing. They never claimed to receive a divine vision, they pointed out to a prophecy already in the bible.
Thy Kingdom Come (Studies in the Scriptures Vol.3) (1908) p.228
That the deliverance of the saints (must) take place some time (before 1914) is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place (at that time), and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long (before 1914)
Thy Kingdom Come (Studies in the Scriptures Vol.3) (1937) p.228
That the deliverance of the saints (will) take place some time (after 1914) is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place (thereafter), and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long (after 1914)
The battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earths present rulership, is already commenced.
And, where does this claim to be a prophecy? Yes, this is an arrogant statement of their understanding of a prophecy in daniel 4. No one's claiming they didn't make -human- mistakes.
But to say "We're pretty sure this will happen soon" isn't a prophecy... And if it is MANY churches today are making the same claim. The JWs at that time were more arrogant saying "it will" as opposed to "we think it will." But it's still based on their understanding of a scripture, not their own prophecy.
it's best to do your own research, Now keep this in mind, if the false prophets in brooklyn, were wrong about when the end of the world, than what other bible doctorines do they have wrong? Remember Christ warned people about the torments of hell, the wbts contrdicts Christ, (which makes them anti-christ) by teaching that there is no such thing, but they only have one scripture to prove it; verses the many times Christ mentioned that there is a hell, you think about it.
Yes, they're fallible humans, no one's saying JWs are perfect. It's your propaganda that's putting things in black and white terms.
But, what mistakes they've made doesn't disprove unrelated points. You can't support the trinity because someone who disagrees with the trinity is imperfect.
About hell, God said "The wages of sin is -death-" If you want to discuss hell, I'd be glad to... but my understanding is based on the bible, not some priest trying to scare me into donations.
OMG, I absolutely HATE when JWs refer to anything that they call fact being from "the Bible" That is so rediclious! It sounds so much better to say "OUR ALTERED BIBLE THAT IS MADE BY US FOR US". It simply amazes me how brainwashed and closed minded that the Wachtower has got you all. Simply put, The New Worlds Translation IS NOT the Holy Bible! Its another ploy the WT devised to brainwash JWs and make them think they are separate and better than the rest of Society who use THE HOLY BIBLE. Crazy!
We don't preach that people should read OUR bible. We tell you to read THE bible. Read whatever translation you want. Some are better than others... Personally, I prefer "The bible in basic english." It's the least biased.
But, keep in mind, most of our differing opinions came from before when the NWT came out... when we were using the KJV.
Example: 1 Co 8:6 (NIV) "yet for us there is but one God, the Father"
Must I be brainwashed to come to the obvious conclusion?
WHAT??? Are u serious? If u dont want non JWs to read your FAKE bible and your rediclious WT publications then YTF do you all try to force them down peoples throats when you do your door to door pioneering??? You all dont offer THE REAL HOLY BIBLE and the NWT at that time for unsuspecting people to choose from do you? NO! Therefore yall want to get people on the same page as you all by giving out the same mind control material that was given to you. THINK! Damn its so frusturating talkin to JWs!
Why offer the NWT because that's what we have the copyright to print. Any other translation would sue us if we printed it and handed them out for free. I think the only exception is we've gotten permission from the KJV and NIV people to print a side by side comparison... it's a bible 4x as thick as a normal because it goes column by column with a side-by-side comparison of the NWT, KJV, new KJV, and NIV bibles to ENCOURATE people to cross reference translations.
Furthermore, How in the world (a.k.a. this system of things to u), can you say that the english version (a.k.a. the NWT) is the least Biased? Huh??? IT WAS WRITTEN BY YOU ALL FOR YOU ALL! How more biased can you get? Thats like your favorite sports team writing a rule book for their sport and calling it universal law! Are you serious??? And you all try to hide behind "Thus, Thou, Art" not being of todays language? Come on. you know what that means. A translation wasnt necessary!
If a new translation wasn't necissary, why was a "new king james version" published around the same time? And "The living bible" ... another popular one was also translated in the 70's.
The fact is, God's name appears in the hebrew texts nearly 7,000 times, and most translations cut his name out. We used the KJV for a long time, but couldn't stand using a bible which cut God's name out of his own book (in all but 4 places).
You are susposed to PRAY before reading the HOLY BIBLE anyway for clear understanding then begin reading. Its called putting faith in God/Jesus that the written words in the HOLY BIBLE will make sense and come into your heart. INSTEAD, as usual your CULT has tricked you all into putting faith in MAN by abiding by an altered bible to support your man made doctrines. LoL Simply amazing!
Aye, Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;" ... notice how the NIV cuts God's name out? Replacing the tetragrammeton with the title "LORD?"
And... you realize... all our major doctrinal differences were established before the NWT was translated... when we used the KJV? And the "prophecies" you guys are referring to "because of our evil bible" ... happened when we used the KJV...
das-"But, what mistakes they've made doesn't disprove unrelated points. You can't support the trinity because someone who disagrees with the trinity is imperfect."
Listen, if a group of morons are stupid enough to actually predict the end of the world to be on specific years, and they are wrong, sorry but they have lost all credibilty with me. And that goes for anything else they might to say about the bible. I'll look to a better souce for my info thank you very much.
Think whatever you want about whoever you want. Frankly, I don't really care. But it doesn't change the fact that Jesus himself said "The Father is greater than I." He himself said that he "came not to do [his] will, but the will of [his] father." He himself said that we're supposed to worship God, no one else. And that his God and Father sent him.
Excuse us for not liking when people are brainwashed into thinking that Jesus is wrong about his identity, that he's really just God's manpuppet.
das-"Excuse us for not liking when people are brainwashed into thinking that Jesus is wrong about his identity, that he's really just God's manpuppet."
"manpuppet"? wow you and your cult really are disrespectful to our Lord and savior. Is that what your cult calls him in your disgusting little publications? No wonder he going to tell you "get away from me, I never knew you"
Of course not, WE believe the Son of God is his own, fully individual being... like Jesus said he was. We believe he's God's son.
Trinitarians teach Jesus to be "The Father's omnipresence in human form," and that when Jesus was killed, no one died... just the "Jesus body" that God made to store a finite portion of himself.
Hense, trinitarians treat Jesus as a celestial sock puppet. THAT, my friend, is disrespectful. Personally, I believe he's a divine being, the son of God.
das-"Hense, trinitarians treat Jesus as a celestial sock puppet."
Your trying to project your disrepect for our Lord and Savior onto me. You know who does that? Liars. Your arrogance is repulsive. Quit calling our Lord and Savior those things, you anti-Christ
A: I'm not the one disrespecting him. I'm pointing out the disrespectful connotations of claiming that Jesus isn't a real being.... only a fragmental incarnation of another being.
B: The anti-christ is a specific thing. Perhaps you should research the phrase before using it.
das-"The anti-christ is a specific thing. Perhaps you should research the phrase before using it."
anti-Christ is just that, anti-Christ, meaning against Christ. And since your cult contradicts Christ teachings, than by your words and deeds you are anti-Christ
das-"About hell, God said "The wages of sin is -death-" If you want to discuss hell, I'd be glad to... but my understanding is based on the bible, not some priest trying to scare me into donations"
when you contradict Christ it proves your anti-christ. and are you so greeding that you can't give back to God? I want you to note, the jw's are so selfish that they do not do any charity work, as oppose to Catholic charities, Something that Christ holds in high esteem.
Speaking of contradicting Christ... Jesus said "The Father is greater than I."
We believe that. Do you?
Thing is, I agree with you... people make foolish, arrogant mistakes, and they lose credibility. Which is why I just don't trust someone who thinks they know who Jesus is better than Jesus himself. When they see such a clear statement as "for us there is but one God, the Father" and teach something else.
I'd say that's a bigger error in judgment than guessing when the end might come.
das-"Speaking of contradicting Christ... Jesus said "The Father is greater than I."
Christ also said "i and the father are one"
john 10:29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[d]; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."
But that is irrelavant, Christ only requires that you believe him for salvation. Christ never said 'those that believe in the trinity shall be save' that doctrine is inconsequentual.
So, "being one" means they're triune? Read John 17 in whatever translation you like.
verse 11 "Holy Father, keep them in your name which you have given to me, so that they may be one even as we are one."
Verse 21 "May they all be one! Even as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, so let them be in us, so that all men may come to have faith that you sent me."
So, if we are all one "EVEN AS" They are, perhaps they mean "unified" ... not "triune." How would you interpret these verses?
das-"Yes, they're fallible humans, no one's saying JWs are perfect"
Well i find that hypocritical.
So?you want everyone to cut your cult leaders "some slack" That is disgusting, since your cult leaders disfellowship its members that don't agree with it's false teachings, also, do not your publications call everyone else "Babylon the great whore" You and your cult are hypocrites, liars, false prophets, blood on it's hands
Also wrong. Do you get your information from ANYWHERE other than propaganda web sites? I disagree with a number of things. And, I'm not disfellowshipped. There's a difference between
"respectfully disagreeing" and "flipping out and accusing people and spreading nonsense rumors in order to 'get back' at people."
Yes you must respect your master, Your demon inspired cult must not be contradicted, right? Keep your nose to the grind stone, and don't tell the truth about your cult's past or expose them as the false prophets that they are. And maybe they will keep liking you, right das?
Dxc, try as much as you want... I'm not going to sink to your level of resorting to meaningless insults. I can't control the fact that YOU used to have some insane conception of what YOU thought the WBTS was. It's not what you claim it to be. NO group of fallible men will be.
If you foolishly hold a group to be a replacement of the bible, of course you'll get all depressed and angry for 20 years for them not living up to YOUR delusions, which the rest of us see they never claimed.
das-"If you foolishly hold a group to be a replacement of the bible, of course you'll get all depressed and angry for 20 years for them not living up to YOUR delusions"
I will give you that, I was nieve to believe the lies that you and your cult fed me, however, God heard my prayers and moved me away from your doomsday false prophet cult, Now i'm happy and best of all I'm saved in the blood of Jesus Christ, (cont)
as opposed to you, who is being misled into thinking that loyalty to a Satan inspired corporation in brooklyn is the way to salvation,,,, tisk, tisk...
tell you what, right here; right now, get down on your knees and become born again, except Christ into your heart, repent of your sins, make Christ your lord and savior... avoid rev 20:10
You were foolish to feed lies to yourself. What YOU believed is VERY different than what WE teach.
Because YOU got your hopes up way too high because of a -human guess- ... because YOU assumed the society to be infallible, and their opinion to be prophecy... doesn't make it true.
Whatever religion you joined up with now, do you have such high expectations of them? Do you think your new cult leaders are infallible? And, do you take their opinions as prophecy?
das-"Because YOU got your hopes up way too high because of a -human guess- ... because YOU assumed the society to be infallible, and their opinion to be prophecy"
Das, what makes you think i was involved with your cult prior to 1975? It's interesting to me, when i see you and fellow cult members make assumtions about me. To be clear, i came into your cult around 1975, and i heard about the aftermath, that should have been the warning sign. But your cult is very good at its lies.
You claimed to have left over 20 years ago, meaning you were a member at least as recently as the 80's, and usually people only develop such an obsession over something they lost if they were involved in that thing for a relatively long time. Particularly how angry you are about "prophecies," which would IMPLY you were involved during one of those times.
das-'You were foolish to feed lies to yourself. What YOU believed is VERY different than what WE teach."
Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?
Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end.—"
Your doomsday false prophet cult leaders encouraged them to throw away their lives, and sell their homes.
das your a disgusting person, you and your fellow false prophets, have no shame no remorse, no conscience for the peoples lives your cult destroyed. Really your cult leaders are psychopaths; and youre a narcissist, (a personality disorder, which is incurable)
A: I wouldn't encourage anyone to sell their homes, nor would I sell mine if I had one. I don't particularly approve of people taking rash actions based on fallible human logic, and they paid the price for their overconfidence.
B: How many catholics have gone to war, and killed based on misguided faith? Is it really so much worse that "OH noZ! People got their hopes up"
C: Narcissism by itself isn't necessarily incurable. I suggest you leave psychology alone unless you've studied it some.
das-"Do you get your information from ANYWHERE other than propaganda web sites?"
what you call "propaganda" is what normal people call History, or the truth, but to answer to that question is: I read the bible and take to heart what Christ says, he is in fact the way, the truth and the life. I left your false prophet doomsday cult over twenty years ago, and thank God everyday for saving me from your cult.
btw the difference between you and me is, i quote Christ, while you quote your cult
Normal history is generally two-sided. Generally when someone who is predisposed against a certain group tells you a whole bunch of stuff that is 100% bad, and doesn't make any positive concessions, it's propaganda.
And Dx... you were the one that brought up the watchtower... I've been quoting the NIV bible this whole time. You've got some serious goggles on.
So your saying that history is subjective, or that the truth is subjective, depending on who's telling the story. well tell that to the jews who hear people say that there was no holocaust. You are wrong again, and as long as you follow satan you will always be wrong, and quit lying abo
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Here is a curious fact.
Jehovah's Witnesses have published BILLIONS of books, booklets, brochures, tracts... a veritable HUGE FLOOD of printed publications. The greatest religious publishing arm in the history of the world.
Yet NOBODY has here or on the Internet or anywhere else even shown or reproduced JUST ONE that said the end would come in 1975. No Watchtower headline, no brochure, no tract with that headline.
So if the "Watchtower" is a "false prophet" it was a very very QUIET ONE.
LOL.
mayuhavepeace 3 weeks ago
What is very scary about this video is that these people appear to be intelligent individuals now. Were they then, back when they were JW's. I have a family member now imeshed with this cult and it appears that logic and reason do not exist in their thinking?
1951kvk 3 weeks ago
I feel sad, I was born into the JWs, this is very saddening. Truth be told, God my Father forcefully took me out of there or else I would still be in there. My hope is God will allow the good JWs to see the deceit and to walk out of Babylons arm. They still have my poor mom captive.
PeacefulOlives 1 month ago
@eternityandforever please give me wrong predictions given by the disciples in the bible as you have stated in your post? I haven't read one prediction from the New Testament that lists a specific date to Armageddon-multiple false dates have been given many times by Jehovah's Witnesses. Salvation and being one of "GOD;s People" is not achieved by being a JW try reading the New Testament without using the Watchtower tracts as a guide. Salvation isn't achieved through religion!
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bortelliM 2 months ago
when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him.DEUTERONOMY 18:22 FALSE PROPHET..
29wanggu 3 months ago
We all need to accept Jesus Christ/Yeshua as our/your Lord and Savior. You will be saved. Love everybody. Amen
ejgress36 6 months ago
Charles Taze Russell never gave any prophecies at all, neither concerning 1874 or 1914. Nevertheless, Russell, in the year 1876 (2 years after 1874) adopted Barbour's studies of Biblical prophecy which point to 1874 and 1914. The dates 1874 and 1914, in other words, did not originate with Russell.
reslight 6 months ago
LISTEN to the bible, and STOP listening to the liars on the internet. JW's really follow Jesus. THEY follow Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ in Heaven!They made predictions,then corrected them when new insight was given from Jehovah.The early disciples kept thinking the kingdom was going to come at THEIR time-Matthew 24:3,Acts 1:6. They also had fights between them about who was the greatest among them. Judas turned in Jesus to be killed. Peter denied Jesus 3 times. They were IMPERFECT men.
eternityandforever 6 months ago
Hmm Armgdon may not have come at 1975 but we have been at war for the last 15 years. and I can say all but JW died in the war. I am not saying its true I am just saying BUT its probably not right and the world will not end for like 500 years.
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eternityandforever 7 months ago
Thank you so much for posting this video.
ul2356 7 months ago
I grew up in this cult. Tried other religions after I got out. Came to the LOGICAL conclusion that god is a fairy tale and EVERY SINGLE religion has this carrot on a stick approach to keep ignorant and weak sheeple in line and on the hook so that the religious organizations can keep flush with cash.
naughtycanuck 8 months ago
I begin to associate with Jehovah's Witnesses in the early 1970's. I was taken up in the 1975 lie. Even when I KNEW it was a lie I couldn't walk away. Not for decades. The Watchtower Society will use fear to keep people in line. I'm no longer afraid of them. I know the source of their knowledge. The Almighty cannot lie. The father of the lie is Satan. Their spiritual source is Satan the devil.
Break free and find the true God.
torrents4u2c 9 months ago
@torrents4u2c Who is this true God you found? what makes you thing you have found him?
MrKemelo 8 months ago
try again mate.
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sunshineuklondon1965 10 months ago
This is true of all Christian faith or cult thereof. Every generation, since the death of the man Jesus, has been living in the "last days".
mrjholland1 10 months ago
But don't you know you all made this up...you were overzealous about 1975... the Society NEVER stated that the end was coming in 1975? Just ask anyone still in the JWs...thats what they'll tell you. I was there-I know what you're all saying is true. I cried at a family reunion in 1974, at age 13, and saying " I will never see any of my relatives again." I have since apologized to my relatives for my family's pious behaviour/
pghdjmarty 11 months ago
@pghdjmarty
You are right, I was there too as a young kid in 1974/5. I treated my own mother badly for not wanting to become a JW and not willing to "listen to the truth", but many years later I came to my senses and reconciled with my mother.
She's since 5 yrs dead. Imagine my sorrow now if I hadn't apologized!
tommotian 9 months ago
@tommotian It's amazing how the JWs try to portray what happened as "overzealous publishers" fault. I know I wouldnt have wanted to bring upon myself the ridicule that I went through after 1975 without the org stating it as fact. I am glad you got to reconcile with your mother...very few do.
pghdjmarty 9 months ago
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Thanks. We are on the same page. Jehovah didn't take orders from the Governing Body!
tommotian 9 months ago
Time is the JW's greatest enemy!...anyone can claim to have gods backing and be the true and only channel to god..in fact this is what all cults and most religions do...the JW's are very sneaky in this area..constantly building up expectations and then changing their views cos the date has come and gone!..false prophets...certainly you would have to be thick or stupid or really deluded to believe those 12 men in new york have gods spirit directing them and them alone!..utter BS!..Wise up JW's!
MrCOLTSR2 1 year ago
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Revelation 22:18-9
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book."
tHE GOVERNING BODY ADD TO THE WORD OF GOD
TheJwhistory 1 year ago
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Well presented Video. Thank you
religionisasnare 1 year ago
Well presented Video. Thank you
religionisasnare 1 year ago
Well presented Video. Thankyou
religionisasnare 1 year ago
I was a pioneer during the period of 1975 and in the congregation I was there wasn't made a great deal of fuss about it. In fact I can distinctly remember the need for caution. I knew one or two highlighted 1975 but those persons tended to exaggerate matters.
Vicwarren711 1 year ago
It's amazing they didn't just tell everyone to kill themselves like that other cult. The Jim Jones crew. Wow. Its only 35 years after armageddon. Be patient people. :0 Atleast these people didn't ignore the red flags that this is indeed a cult, full of wolves in sheep's cloths. The got OUTTA THERE. People lost everything. The watchtower society got PAID. Theives.
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
I loved this video :) Ive met many of these fine people in person over the years and read the books of others, and gone to court with Duane Magnani in child custody cases against a whole SLEW of idiot WTS lawyers and watched the JWs lie like rugs on the stand. I am proud to know them all. Make MORE of these videos! The internet is the way to reach people and will be the downfall of this family destroying cult!
Lovingsurrender 1 year ago 5
Lovingsurrender, you have taken the right stand. I'm all on your page. I was a JW for 30 years! and very active, and I left for doctrinal reasons.
The Internet will bring the Governing Body down. Now they can't hide their dirty history from the friends any longer. The Watchtower falsification of its history reminds me of the old Communist system in Eastern Europe, they did the same, they also had all "the Truth", only it was the political one!
Keep it up brother!
tommotian 1 year ago
Lovingsurrender
Brother!
That's the spirit! You are an excellent soldier in the Vast Apostate Army!
tommotian 1 year ago
Yes I have met them too. Duane has done a great work.
Ahouseisnotahome 1 year ago
Excellent work here! It's about time the ugliness and lies of this cult have been exposed.
llg1973 1 year ago
@Lovingsurrender Hello, have any of you heard or read that the second coming of Christ and Jugdement Day will take place on May 21, 2011; and the end of this world and the entire physical universe will take place on October 21, 2011? The great tribulation period(which I think they mean a spiritual war) begun in the year 1988 and will end next year in 2011? This another christian faith.
Flxiblemetro 1 year ago
jewhovas witnesses are so stupid.
ne0nsurf 1 year ago
lol tubian
ed41071 2 years ago
being a jw splts up familys and brain washs you to think there way is "the truth" i lost my gran when my dad left becouse she was told not to mix with non jws and only jws will be saved when the end of the world happens when CHIRST who is the template of all faths rules again surly he would save all his followers that blows holes in there fath along with the 1975 theroy when most jws sold eveything i bet the top dogs in the wt didnt what a load of bs all of it
1979jondam 2 years ago
more Jehovah's Witnesses need to see this vid. if you can pass this vid around
wanafly12 2 years ago
Only 35 years after Armageddon brothers!
Only 50 years after Armageddon brothers!
Only 100 years after Armageddon brothers!
tubian323 2 years ago 13
Charles Taze Russell was a pompus, self-interested false prophet and he is going to have to stand in front of Jesus at the Great White Throne Judgment and answer for denying the Diety of Jesus ... it will suck to be him.
hammerogod 2 years ago
You know whats so sad, the modern day JWs doesnt even know about 1975. If you bring it up they'll say the watchtower never did that. I cant believe that people will not research it for themselves. They JWs can see false in other religions but not their own. Thats so sad that they are blinded by false phophets. But the bible warns us about the watchtower and many many other false phophets.
Vinsterbaby 2 years ago
This is really a good video!
Lot's of humour in there also, why not!
tommotian 2 years ago
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selious04 2 years ago
I was in the JWs prior to 1975 (left for good in 1982) and I remember all of the things mentioned in this video like it was yesterday. If they really were "the Truth" why won't they address the issue of their predicting "Armegeddon" with embarrassing inaccuracy since 1874? Especially since they claim to have a direct line to God....
DrGiggles68 2 years ago
TheMrlovett:
Not so fast!.....
1John4 describes TESTING the scriptures to warn us of FALSE PROPHETS.(JW)
Rev 20:10 is graphic on the false prophet's doom!!!
THEBEREANZ 2 years ago
Nah, I don't want a mansion, a tent under a willow tree would be fine with me, without people like you there, it would be a real PARADISE Poconoporker. LOL
TheFREEDOMofTRUTH 2 years ago
It'd be pretty good around here with out people like you TheFREEDOMofTRUTH, you're a vile cunt of a man aren't you!!
nedbeaty72 2 years ago
Oh, I forgot, your ROTTEN dead body. LoL
TheFREEDOMofTRUTH 2 years ago
LOL, POCONOPOKER, you have a very nice gander about you don't you. Maybe I will see your dead body after armegeddon and have the pleasure of burying it. LOL
TheFREEDOMofTRUTH 2 years ago
hey
MrOnamision1 2 years ago
In my opinion, it's too BAD IT DID'NT COME IN 1975, what sane person does not want JEHOVAH GOD AND JESUS TO RULE. The world since 1975 has become extremely more wicked, alot more wicked then I thought it would be. I can't wait until Jehovah destroyes this system of things, this world is horrible. Now were in a depression and millions of people are losing their homes. Only more horrible things to come.
TheFREEDOMofTRUTH 2 years ago
TheFREEDOMofTRUTH.....If this world is so horrible, go to space. Nice and peaceful there.
"I can't wait until Jehovah destroyes this system of things"
Wow. You can't wait to handle, rotted dead bodies huh? Fun times are coming! : )
Did you pick out the mansion you'll be moving into?
Yeah, keep defending an unscriptural org that has FAILED, every prediction. You make me sick.
You're a SELFISH, DISGUSTING, SELF-RIGHTEOUS and SADISTIC!!
poconoporker 2 years ago 2
@TheFREEDOMofTRUTH The world has always been a terrible place, but we're getting better.
ihatefurrys 9 months ago
Oh get over it the 1975 thing. I was a JW's at the time also, and was very upset of what occured. I'm not going to whine and moan about it anymore, and use it as an excuse to attack the Watchtower. The Watchtower NEVER came out and SAID, THAT ARMEGEDDON IS COMING IN the year 1975. Did they hint at it, yeah. But, I'm not going to use this as a whipping stick to attack the whole body of JW's and their teachings. They have been cleaning out thousands of years of false doctrines, takes time.
TheFREEDOMofTRUTH 2 years ago
If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the 'last days' in 1914. - Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15
I was 12 in 1969. Like many, I was obedient to the Society and never went to college and have no pension, The GB are poison.
stm345 2 years ago
STM you know they changed that whole Generation that Saw 1914 thing? Like five times now? Changing and changing and NEW LIGHTING it right out of existence. But if that goes then 1918 has to go and 1930 and all that crap about this generation shall not pass away blah blah blah...its almost been 100 years WTS. What NOW bros? Oh yeah. what are we on now like...Plan W? What a joke.
Lovingsurrender 1 year ago
Yes I know and now a 'generation' can last for around 140 years according to the WT as it now apparently pictures anointed ones alive in 1914 whose lives overlap with anointed still alive today!
They apparently have their own definition of the word 'generation', like they have done with the word 'apostate.'
As you say...What a joke!
stm345 1 year ago
JW's please read 1JOHN4 followed by
REV 20:10 it is so graphic!!!
THEBEREANZ 2 years ago
thank god all those false prophets are rotting in hell
UltimateFighterOwnag 2 years ago
Get over yourselves....You all who left the faith failed to heed the scripture at Math 24:36 "Concerning that day and hour NOBODY!! knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son but only the Father".....where is your faith. You relied on man's words and not Gods so its your own fault.
lissybub 2 years ago
But lissybub, as good little Jehovah's Witnesses, aren't we taught to believe that all new light sent to us from the Governing body is straight from Jehovah God?
It was taught to me atleast that everything elders tell us is inspired from god so why wouldn't we adhere to these mens word.
jayt 2 years ago
Because they lie just like you do..you remind me of a snake...Why are you commenting on my channel FREAK???
lissybub 2 years ago
but how would people know if those men were lying or not if they were taught to believe everything they say? Lissy y are you so angry? I'm not trying to disprove your religion or anything..all i want is some understand and answers. I used to serve under Jehovah witnesses. But lately i been drawing farther away gradually because of people like you...you get angry whenever anyone questions one thing about you guys. Instead of offering a perfectly reasonable explanation you throw tantrums.
jayt 2 years ago
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jayt 2 years ago
Apostasy
rickybrk 2 years ago
Good point, rickybrk. You could indeed call the Governing Body apostate, because they drew away disciples after themselves, away from the true teachings of Jesus. I was there when 1975 was announced as the date for Armageddon. They actually did it.
joeblokes 2 years ago 2
Are you JWs anxious for those of us who oppose you to, as a group, just die at Armageddon counted among the wicked?
Is it because we disagree with you that, as stated in the the The Watchtower, feb 15, 1981: "we cannot find the scriptural guidance we need outside the Faitful and Discreet Slave"?
Is it?
Won't life be wonderful without people like me who disagree with your organization?
tommotian 2 years ago
so you all worship a date or numbers,, your all so fucked.. it does matter.. because now things are as they are written,, as so as time goes on your going nowhere.. but its true it did nt happen then,, .. but it will happen soon,, and look where u are .. fucked.. bottom line.. thats the apostates destiny .. oh you poor fools.. enjoy your fame on the internet,, so vain.. so empty.. you like it... assholes.. your so fucked.. now where are you going to go?? blind follow the blind..
rock9711 2 years ago
tom-"Let's see if you JWs try to censure this one too! "
Talking about censure-Have you tried to reason with the jw's at the jw sites that are friendly toward jw's; here on youtube?
1st the monitor will delete your post then he/she will block you from posting, they love free speech as long as it agrees with thier free speech. they are a cult, as well as cowards (false prophets)
dxcel1 2 years ago
they messed up Jesus said no one knows that day But the Father if humans knew the date and hour people would only serve Jehovah out of selfishness not out of love
378dac 2 years ago
Yes, people could try to serve God for false reasons but they gorget Jehovah sees their heart and the real reason why they worship Him.
marcusampe 2 years ago
JWs are incapable of rational thought. Any discussion with them instantly reverts to the Watchtower. They make their predictions for all to see and then when they don't come true have a reason behind it. Then come new predictions. JWs put the Watchtower publication before everything, including the Bible.
hannonmcnasty 2 years ago
Which is why I (a JW) have consistantly been using logic and bible backing (not the WT), and this DX guy has been obsessing over poorly written phrases in watchtowers showing the author's personal, human opinion and shouting "FAAAALSE PROPHET!"
How's about people argue with reason instead of ignorant ad hominem attacks?
kthx.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"consistantly been using logic and bible backing"
If you go back and read your post, you will see that, that statement is false. Youve only mention a couple of scriptures, one in Daniel, and when I challenged you to provide the scripture in Daniel that specifically stated that 1914,,, was the end of the world, you fail miserably. Mostly you have been towing your cults line of false doctrines.
dxcel1 2 years ago
das-"poorly written"
No they were intentionally written to scare your readers into believing that the end or world was to be 1914, 1915, 1925, and 1975. The effect was bilking the gullible out of millions of dollars and millions of hours of free labor. Judge Rutherford lived like a king during the great depression. That is the definition of a cult.
dxcel1 2 years ago
das-"shouting "FAAAALSE PROPHET!"
Youre on the road to everlasting damnation; the scriptures say that the false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire rev 20:10. I'm trying to warn you that you are one with the false prophet. Now if you think Im shouting at you, I find that amusing; how can you hear me over the internet? Is it your prophet like powers that give you this ability? Tell me do you hear other voices besides mine?
dxcel1 2 years ago
Also, unlike SOME churches that will ONLY use the bible that suits their interest, we highly encourage our members to research various translations. We're the only ones I know of who will provide an interlinear translation for free to HELP people read the direct translation themselves. Just last week the talk was given using an NIV, and when we come to the door, we have no problem with you using whatever translation you want.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-" we highly encourage our members to research various translations."
Does you cult also encourage your members to lie about it's history of false prophesies?
dxcel1 2 years ago
Dxc, you're confused. By "We" I meant the JWs. We're Christians, not a cult. If you're thinking of a "cult" you'll want to look for catholics and pentecostals.
To answer your question, Yes, we're aware of our history, including the mistakes. We fully know we misunderstood 1914, and we know that any other human guess so far hasn't been correct. But, they were never prophecies. They were always specified to be human guesses. Yes, some people over-reacted. That's not my fault.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"Dxc, you're confused."
No your a liar, and as a lair, you mark yourself a child of your father, the father fo the lie, you and your father Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire and will be tormented forever, Rev 20:10
dxcel1 2 years ago
das-"If you're thinking of a "cult" you'll want to look for catholics and pentecostals."
No, It has been determine that you are a cult, By your actions you are a cult, (if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck) or in your case, if it walks like a cult and acts like a cult, its a cult. Also by your actions you are also a false prophet, as discribed in matt 7:15 and matt 24:11
dxcel1 2 years ago
You've made that determination by what method? Because we've assumed that we're in "the last days" because the bible says that the end will come as a theif in the night, thereby commanding us to anticipate it's arrival any day. We're a cult for heeding that advice? Or, are we a cult for believing for us there is only one God, the Father IAW 1 corinthians 8:6?
And pentecostals aren't a cult, when they openly CLAIM to prophecy... a LOT... and, follow every definition of a cult?
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"But, they were never prophecies"
Thats a lie, and you know that. Since your false prophet cult made the prediction that the "end of the world" was to be on those dates, than by that simple act your cult proclaimed to be a false prophet. Just because a murderer does not announce that he is a murder while he is murdering someone that does not mean he is not a murderer, no it's his actions that define him. Your actions have defined you as a false prophet.
dxcel1 2 years ago
Again, the 1914 date wasn't a prophecy WE made. It's in Daniel, check it for yourself. If you think the 1914 prophecy is a false prophecy, you're calling the bible a false prophet, not us. The 1975 date was SPECIFICALLY a human recognition that 1975 marked the end of the 6000th year of human history, a very logical time for the end to come.
Saying that "it would make sense for the end to come now, and we think it's likely to." and making a "prophecy" are two very different things.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
Unwittingly, the WT Society has condemned itself from day one. 1975 was the biggest blunder they ever made. I remember the 1000's of Witnesses who trusted and lost everything. Everyone felt pressured to do more before 1975. Here' s a good article on how they prophesied their own destruction. Perhaps they will be right about this prophesy - TheJehovahsWitnesses . Org - articles - "World Peace and the End of False Religion"
DrWJB 2 years ago
Christ said:
Matt 7: 15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them.
Yes recognize the fruits of the jw's, they lie about their false prophesies, They disrepect our Lord and Savior, they teach false dontrines, and have blood on their hands, for each person that died because of their twisted blood transfusion doctorine, which i'm sure will change yet again. but to late for the already dead
dxcel1 2 years ago
I really feel sorry for the former JW's that were used in this video. All those years of service to God, gone for a date that did not come true. It was a true test of faith during those time and still true today. Why are we serving God? Is it to gain life or because of our love for him and His son Jesus Christ? Happily the majority of Jehovah's servants remained true to thier oath and continue w/o letup declaring the good news of God's Kindom as the only solution to all of mankinds problems.
Shibboleth1000 2 years ago
No where in the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses did they say 1975 was the end.
lindquistrobert34 2 years ago
Do a bit of research, and you will find the truth.
f8beenthere 2 years ago
0:55 .... best...acting... ever.
3:30 "OH noz! THey made mE SelL mY StAmp collection! So, I left my religion....."
...yeeeaaaa....
dasgregorian 2 years ago
More propaganda. All these "prophecies" they're talking about weren't "prophecies." The bible says the end will come "as a thief in the night." So, yes, we've made GUESSES (human, fallible, imperfect guesses, with no claimed divine guidance) as to possible dates that would make sense.
How many people thought the world would end at Y2K? How many say the same thing about 2012?
Will they be making videos about those "failed prophecies" for 100+ years?
Propaganda=bad.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
Predicting the future in the name of Jehovah is by definition a prophecy. I totally understand why you would want to defend the leaders of the Watchtower, but isn't it more important to be biblical? If you choose to follow a false prophet, you have no business calling yourself a "Christian". You have deceived yourself. By an act of your will, you are believing man, rather than believing Jehovah's (YHWH) Holy word. Shall I follow he fallible words of men, or the infallible Word of YHWH? -Romans 8
f8beenthere 2 years ago
The 1975 thing wasn't a "prediction in God's name" ... It marked the 6,000 anniversary of mankind. That's all the watchtower said. "This is a significant year, marking the 6,000th year of life on earth. Following the thousand years=1 day rule, this marks the beginning of the 7th day of mankind. Perhaps it will be significant."
That's it. Yes, quite a few people ignored the "perhaps" part... and that's foolish of them. But it wasn't a prophecy at all. Just an anniversary.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
The typical JW apologist. You sir are truly Brainwashed. They got you right where they want you. Its crazy because you cant even see it. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize what they were referring to. They tried prediction of armegeddon prior to 1975 so why wouldnt they try it again???? But this time in the most subtle of ways with out actually mentioning the word. I wonder what is their next trick. Come on dude Think. Remove your mind from the WT bondage. Wake Up!
kanzacyti 2 years ago
Sure, one of us is brainwashed. Want to know a clear indication of a person being manipulated? Someone who believes a group is "absolutely good" or "absolutely evil" based on propaganda.
I know the JWs aren't perfect, I disagree with a number of things taught, but the brainwashing in most of mainstream Christianity is rampant.
Just look at the trinity: It's impossible to understand, impossible to explain, but you MUST accept it unquestioningly. That's brainwashing.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
Ok so when u disagree with those number of things thought, do you actually question those things to the WT, Elders, or whoever u run to, or do you simply ignore those thoughts in fear of being disfellowshipped for thinking independently??? That is Brainwashing my friend!
kanzacyti 2 years ago
I've openly discussed my differing opinions with dozens of elders across a few congregations, along with many JW family members, and many non-elder members of the congregation... couldn't even venture to guess how many. I've been meaning to write into the watchtower itself, but they prefer snail-mail, and I prefer Email.
Would you be able to openly question the trinity in your church? Or say you thought Christmas was wrong to celebrate due to it's well-known pagan origins?
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"question the trinity in your church? Or say you thought Christmas"
Trinity and Christmas are irrelavent, What is relavent is the fact that Chist Prophesied about your cult in matt 7:15, matt 24:11, and your cults fate is outline in rev 20:10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
dxcel1 2 years ago
How's about this... you're so sure about your accusations... present a shred of evidence. Find a watchtower quote declaring it a prophecy. Find any publication saying that "God had told them" this would happen. Find anything that says something other than "This is a significant date, and we think it very well could be the time when sin is washed away."
Go ahead, I'll be waiting.
The fact that a lot of people took this to mean something more than it was doesn't make them right
dasgregorian 2 years ago
Again, what about the prophesies prior to 1975? How about 1914, and the other dates? What is the excuse for that? Come on, your MAN MADE religion has made many MAN MADE mistakes. Why are you trying to defend your cult? Is it because the WT told u to? Is it because you refuse to ignore the REAL TRUTH? or is it simply because your BRAIN WASHED????
kanzacyti 2 years ago
I'm not denying the man-made mistakes regarding those guesses. They were arrogant and wrong to make in the first place. But, they weren't "prophecies." The 1914 date was based on the prophecy at Daniel 4:10. We didn't make the prophecy, but they understood this -bible prophecy- to mean something it didn't end up meaning. It was a human guess at what a bible prophecy meant... it wasn't a prophecy THEY made.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
When 1914 came and went, people (humanly) decided that they'd misunderstood it, so maybe 1914 wasn't "the date" ... but maybe it was the last year before "the date." So, they thought perhaps it was 1915. Either way, these guesses were based on admitted fallible human logic. Some people worded it very arrogantly saying they were sure of it, and it WOULD happen... but it was based on their HUMAN logic. It was never claimed to be a message from God or prophetic.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"It was never claimed to be a message from God or prophetic,"
Did you even read the quotes i supplied, from your own publications. Listen, if your not interested in the truth, then so be it, that's up to you, however when it comes judgement day, and God judges you on whether you were loyal to a corporation in brooklyn or his son Jesus, and your answer is "well i was baptized as a jw, you won't be able to say you weren't warned. , and off to hell you go.
dxcel1 2 years ago
Yes... I read the quotes... and I responded to each and every one. NONE of the quotes you gave showed the JWs prophesying. They gave their human interpretation of a prophecy in Daniel 4 (note, this opinion was based on the KJV, there was no NWT at that time).
If it's a false prophecy... take it up with Daniel.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"Yes... I read the quotes...NONE of the quotes you gave showed the JWs prophesying."
That's your opinion, or should i say, that's you lying to try and twist and distort your cult's dubious past. Christ said, "you are from your father, the father of the lie" he also call you you "wolves in sheeps clothing" matt 7:15 So you don't fool me, you can twist your mind and lie all you want, in the end your only hurting yourself. rev 20:10
dxcel1 2 years ago
das-"They gave their human interpretation of a prophecy in Daniel 4 "
This is a post from two weeks ago.
show me the scripture in Daniel that specifically says that the end of the world was to come in 1914, e.g. "the world will end in 1914" (or,1915, 1925, 1975)
dxcel1 2 years ago
Are you honestly ignorant to think that's how prophecy works? Do you agree that there are hundreds of prophecies of the Christ in the OT... yet none of them mention the name "Jesus." One mentions the name "immanuel" ... which is the only time Jesus was ever called immanuel. Read for yourself, daniel 4:10... it's a rather vague prophecy... what do YOU think it points to? And, if you're wrong about what the prophecy about "a time, times, and half a time" means, does that make you a prophet?
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"Are you honestly ignorant to think that's how prophecy works?"
No you are, I see that you were not able to produce the scripture that said that 1914 was the "end of the world" or as your cult teaches now; that it was the beginning of the end. tisk, tisk, Your cult leaders are like the blind leading the blind. But in the mean time, they are keeping you from salvation
dxcel1 2 years ago
das-"I'm not denying the man-made mistakes regarding those guesses........ it wasn't a prophecy THEY made."
Your funny, what you are asking, is for an instant in time when your cult leaders said "here we are making a prophesy" Hello?!!! that's not going to happen, no more then a murder saying "i'm a murderer" while he is murdering someone. Get it? your false prophet cult is defined by it's actions, it predicted the end of the world, the world is still ergo they are false prophets end of story
dxcel1 2 years ago
das-"The 1914 date was based on the prophecy at Daniel 4:10."
It does not matter what your cult leaders based it on, they predicted the end of the world, the world is still here, therfore they are false prophets
dxcel1 2 years ago
Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God (book) 1966 pp. 26-30
"the published timetable resulting from this independent study gives the date of man's creation as 4026 B.C.E. According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E. So six thousand years of man's existence on earth will soon be up, yes, within this generation."
dxcel1 2 years ago
And how do you intepret this to be prophecy? This is simply stating that according to the numbers in the bible, man's creation was around 4026 B.C.E. Do you consider that prophecy? They just made the statement that 1975 is the end of the 6,000th year of human existance.
That's not prophecy, that's math. You don't like math, I take it? They didn't say "God told us 1975 would bring armegeddon." They said "According to our math, 1975 is the 6,000th anniversary of human life!
dasgregorian 2 years ago
Prophecy is when someone makes a prediction about the future. Now in the case of your cult, your prophesies failed to come true, making your cult leaders in brooklyn (drum roll) false prophets.
dxcel1 2 years ago
Not necessarily. Is the weather-man a prophet? If a high-ranking sports team is scheduled against a low-ranking one, and you say the better team will win, is that a prophecy? If you say "I'm going to buy milk tomorrow" is that a prophecy? No.
All but the 1914 dates were human opinions, no different than saying which sports team will win.
Prophecy is a "divinely inspired prediction, instruction, or exhortation." For them to be "prophesying" they would have to claim that "God told us..."
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"All but the 1914 dates were human opinions"
No, what that was, was the fulfillment of Christ prophecy of matt 7:15, matt 24:11.
Think about it, the bible tells of false prophets in the last days, your cult fulfills that. here is a partial list of modern day false prophets, 1)the watchtower bible and tract society, inc 2) davidians 3)heavengates 4) jonestown
dxcel1 2 years ago
The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1894, p. 1677
We see no reason for changing the figures — nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, Gods dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.
dxcel1 2 years ago
Here it says that they (as humans) believe the 1914 date to be God's date -because of the prophecy at Daniel 4:10.- They're not saying "God told them."
Yes, they believed 1914 was the fulfillment of a prophecy... but it wasn't a prophecy THEY made, it was a prophecy at daniel 4:10. Being wrong about what a -bible prophecy- means does not make one a false prophet himself.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"They're not saying "God told them."
That's my point, get it? are you that brainwashed, LET ME SPELL IT OUT,,, WHAT I'M SAYING IS GOD DID NOT TELL THEM TO PROPHESY THAT 1914 WAS THE YEAR THAT THE END OF THE WORLD WOULD COME, THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT FROM GOD, THEY ARE IN FACT FALSE PROPHETS, get it? if God told them to say 1914 was the end, we would not be here talking about this, because the world and us would be gone.. is that clear?
dxcel1 2 years ago
k... if you prefer caps lock:
EXACTLY! BECAUSE IT WAS THEIR HUMAN OPINION, THEY NEVER CLAIMED IT WAS A PROPHESY! THEREFORE THEY'RE NOT PROPHETS AT ALL. WE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE.
I don't know... Personally, I think caps lock makes people look foolish... but you know... if it's how you want to converse...
dasgregorian 2 years ago
The Watchtower Reprints, September 15, 1901, p. 2876
The culmination of the trouble in October, 1914, is clearly marked in the Scriptures; and we are bound therefore to expect a beginning of that severe trouble not later than 1910; — with severe spasms between now and then.
dxcel1 2 years ago
Again, they're still not saying that "God told us." They're basing the assumption on their (human) understanding of the prophecy at Daniel 4:10. Therefore, they, as humans, expected to see signs of the "end times" soon before.
And, how many churches today preach that we're in the "end times?" Listen to Christian radio for a day... it's -full- of people preaching the same message. Are they all false prophets for thinking "armegeddon seems to be coming soon, so we should be prepared?"
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"And, how many churches today preach that we're in the "end times?"
many do, however they aren't stupid enough to put dates on it. They leave that to morons like the governing body, or the davidians, or to heavensgate, or the jonestown people, seriously tho, the only thing missing from your cult is the kool-aid, so if they ever start passing out kool-aid at the k-hall, listen to me, run out the door, (if you can) and call 911
dxcel1 2 years ago
The Time Is at Hand (SS-2), 1907 ed., p. 76-78
In this chapter we will present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the Gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men.
dxcel1 2 years ago
Another example that they're using their understanding of -bible evidence-... -They- were not prophecing. They never claimed to receive a divine vision, they pointed out to a prophecy already in the bible.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"They never claimed to receive a divine vision, they pointed out to a prophecy already in the bible."
Oh really, show me the scripture that says the end of the world was to come in October of 1914, or 1915, or 1925, or 1975.
dxcel1 2 years ago
this is in 2 parts note the parenthesis
Thy Kingdom Come (Studies in the Scriptures Vol.3) (1908) p.228
That the deliverance of the saints (must) take place some time (before 1914) is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place (at that time), and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long (before 1914)
dxcel1 2 years ago
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note the parenthesis
Thy Kingdom Come (Studies in the Scriptures Vol.3) (1937) p.228
That the deliverance of the saints (will) take place some time (after 1914) is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place (thereafter), and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long (after 1914)
dxcel1 2 years ago
The Time Is at Hand (SS-2), 1907, p. 101
The battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earths present rulership, is already commenced.
dxcel1 2 years ago
And, where does this claim to be a prophecy? Yes, this is an arrogant statement of their understanding of a prophecy in daniel 4. No one's claiming they didn't make -human- mistakes.
But to say "We're pretty sure this will happen soon" isn't a prophecy... And if it is MANY churches today are making the same claim. The JWs at that time were more arrogant saying "it will" as opposed to "we think it will." But it's still based on their understanding of a scripture, not their own prophecy.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-
it's best to do your own research, Now keep this in mind, if the false prophets in brooklyn, were wrong about when the end of the world, than what other bible doctorines do they have wrong? Remember Christ warned people about the torments of hell, the wbts contrdicts Christ, (which makes them anti-christ) by teaching that there is no such thing, but they only have one scripture to prove it; verses the many times Christ mentioned that there is a hell, you think about it.
dxcel1 2 years ago
Yes, they're fallible humans, no one's saying JWs are perfect. It's your propaganda that's putting things in black and white terms.
But, what mistakes they've made doesn't disprove unrelated points. You can't support the trinity because someone who disagrees with the trinity is imperfect.
About hell, God said "The wages of sin is -death-" If you want to discuss hell, I'd be glad to... but my understanding is based on the bible, not some priest trying to scare me into donations.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
OMG, I absolutely HATE when JWs refer to anything that they call fact being from "the Bible" That is so rediclious! It sounds so much better to say "OUR ALTERED BIBLE THAT IS MADE BY US FOR US". It simply amazes me how brainwashed and closed minded that the Wachtower has got you all. Simply put, The New Worlds Translation IS NOT the Holy Bible! Its another ploy the WT devised to brainwash JWs and make them think they are separate and better than the rest of Society who use THE HOLY BIBLE. Crazy!
kanzacyti 2 years ago
We don't preach that people should read OUR bible. We tell you to read THE bible. Read whatever translation you want. Some are better than others... Personally, I prefer "The bible in basic english." It's the least biased.
But, keep in mind, most of our differing opinions came from before when the NWT came out... when we were using the KJV.
Example: 1 Co 8:6 (NIV) "yet for us there is but one God, the Father"
Must I be brainwashed to come to the obvious conclusion?
dasgregorian 2 years ago
WHAT??? Are u serious? If u dont want non JWs to read your FAKE bible and your rediclious WT publications then YTF do you all try to force them down peoples throats when you do your door to door pioneering??? You all dont offer THE REAL HOLY BIBLE and the NWT at that time for unsuspecting people to choose from do you? NO! Therefore yall want to get people on the same page as you all by giving out the same mind control material that was given to you. THINK! Damn its so frusturating talkin to JWs!
kanzacyti 2 years ago
Why offer the NWT because that's what we have the copyright to print. Any other translation would sue us if we printed it and handed them out for free. I think the only exception is we've gotten permission from the KJV and NIV people to print a side by side comparison... it's a bible 4x as thick as a normal because it goes column by column with a side-by-side comparison of the NWT, KJV, new KJV, and NIV bibles to ENCOURATE people to cross reference translations.
I've given talks with a KJV.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
Furthermore, How in the world (a.k.a. this system of things to u), can you say that the english version (a.k.a. the NWT) is the least Biased? Huh??? IT WAS WRITTEN BY YOU ALL FOR YOU ALL! How more biased can you get? Thats like your favorite sports team writing a rule book for their sport and calling it universal law! Are you serious??? And you all try to hide behind "Thus, Thou, Art" not being of todays language? Come on. you know what that means. A translation wasnt necessary!
kanzacyti 2 years ago
If a new translation wasn't necissary, why was a "new king james version" published around the same time? And "The living bible" ... another popular one was also translated in the 70's.
The fact is, God's name appears in the hebrew texts nearly 7,000 times, and most translations cut his name out. We used the KJV for a long time, but couldn't stand using a bible which cut God's name out of his own book (in all but 4 places).
dasgregorian 2 years ago
You are susposed to PRAY before reading the HOLY BIBLE anyway for clear understanding then begin reading. Its called putting faith in God/Jesus that the written words in the HOLY BIBLE will make sense and come into your heart. INSTEAD, as usual your CULT has tricked you all into putting faith in MAN by abiding by an altered bible to support your man made doctrines. LoL Simply amazing!
kanzacyti 2 years ago
Aye, Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;" ... notice how the NIV cuts God's name out? Replacing the tetragrammeton with the title "LORD?"
And... you realize... all our major doctrinal differences were established before the NWT was translated... when we used the KJV? And the "prophecies" you guys are referring to "because of our evil bible" ... happened when we used the KJV...
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"But, what mistakes they've made doesn't disprove unrelated points. You can't support the trinity because someone who disagrees with the trinity is imperfect."
Listen, if a group of morons are stupid enough to actually predict the end of the world to be on specific years, and they are wrong, sorry but they have lost all credibilty with me. And that goes for anything else they might to say about the bible. I'll look to a better souce for my info thank you very much.
dxcel1 2 years ago
Think whatever you want about whoever you want. Frankly, I don't really care. But it doesn't change the fact that Jesus himself said "The Father is greater than I." He himself said that he "came not to do [his] will, but the will of [his] father." He himself said that we're supposed to worship God, no one else. And that his God and Father sent him.
Excuse us for not liking when people are brainwashed into thinking that Jesus is wrong about his identity, that he's really just God's manpuppet.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"Excuse us for not liking when people are brainwashed into thinking that Jesus is wrong about his identity, that he's really just God's manpuppet."
"manpuppet"? wow you and your cult really are disrespectful to our Lord and savior. Is that what your cult calls him in your disgusting little publications? No wonder he going to tell you "get away from me, I never knew you"
dxcel1 2 years ago
Of course not, WE believe the Son of God is his own, fully individual being... like Jesus said he was. We believe he's God's son.
Trinitarians teach Jesus to be "The Father's omnipresence in human form," and that when Jesus was killed, no one died... just the "Jesus body" that God made to store a finite portion of himself.
Hense, trinitarians treat Jesus as a celestial sock puppet. THAT, my friend, is disrespectful. Personally, I believe he's a divine being, the son of God.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"Hense, trinitarians treat Jesus as a celestial sock puppet."
Your trying to project your disrepect for our Lord and Savior onto me. You know who does that? Liars. Your arrogance is repulsive. Quit calling our Lord and Savior those things, you anti-Christ
dxcel1 2 years ago
A: I'm not the one disrespecting him. I'm pointing out the disrespectful connotations of claiming that Jesus isn't a real being.... only a fragmental incarnation of another being.
B: The anti-christ is a specific thing. Perhaps you should research the phrase before using it.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"The anti-christ is a specific thing. Perhaps you should research the phrase before using it."
anti-Christ is just that, anti-Christ, meaning against Christ. And since your cult contradicts Christ teachings, than by your words and deeds you are anti-Christ
dxcel1 2 years ago
das-"I'm not the one disrespecting him."
yes, you are.
dxcel1 2 years ago
das-"About hell, God said "The wages of sin is -death-" If you want to discuss hell, I'd be glad to... but my understanding is based on the bible, not some priest trying to scare me into donations"
when you contradict Christ it proves your anti-christ. and are you so greeding that you can't give back to God? I want you to note, the jw's are so selfish that they do not do any charity work, as oppose to Catholic charities, Something that Christ holds in high esteem.
dxcel1 2 years ago
Speaking of contradicting Christ... Jesus said "The Father is greater than I."
We believe that. Do you?
Thing is, I agree with you... people make foolish, arrogant mistakes, and they lose credibility. Which is why I just don't trust someone who thinks they know who Jesus is better than Jesus himself. When they see such a clear statement as "for us there is but one God, the Father" and teach something else.
I'd say that's a bigger error in judgment than guessing when the end might come.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"Speaking of contradicting Christ... Jesus said "The Father is greater than I."
Christ also said "i and the father are one"
john 10:29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[d]; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."
But that is irrelavant, Christ only requires that you believe him for salvation. Christ never said 'those that believe in the trinity shall be save' that doctrine is inconsequentual.
dxcel1 2 years ago
So, "being one" means they're triune? Read John 17 in whatever translation you like.
verse 11 "Holy Father, keep them in your name which you have given to me, so that they may be one even as we are one."
Verse 21 "May they all be one! Even as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, so let them be in us, so that all men may come to have faith that you sent me."
So, if we are all one "EVEN AS" They are, perhaps they mean "unified" ... not "triune." How would you interpret these verses?
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"Yes, they're fallible humans, no one's saying JWs are perfect"
Well i find that hypocritical.
So?you want everyone to cut your cult leaders "some slack" That is disgusting, since your cult leaders disfellowship its members that don't agree with it's false teachings, also, do not your publications call everyone else "Babylon the great whore" You and your cult are hypocrites, liars, false prophets, blood on it's hands
dxcel1 2 years ago
Also wrong. Do you get your information from ANYWHERE other than propaganda web sites? I disagree with a number of things. And, I'm not disfellowshipped. There's a difference between
"respectfully disagreeing" and "flipping out and accusing people and spreading nonsense rumors in order to 'get back' at people."
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"There's a difference between
"respectfully disagreeing"
Yes you must respect your master, Your demon inspired cult must not be contradicted, right? Keep your nose to the grind stone, and don't tell the truth about your cult's past or expose them as the false prophets that they are. And maybe they will keep liking you, right das?
dxcel1 2 years ago
Dxc, try as much as you want... I'm not going to sink to your level of resorting to meaningless insults. I can't control the fact that YOU used to have some insane conception of what YOU thought the WBTS was. It's not what you claim it to be. NO group of fallible men will be.
If you foolishly hold a group to be a replacement of the bible, of course you'll get all depressed and angry for 20 years for them not living up to YOUR delusions, which the rest of us see they never claimed.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"If you foolishly hold a group to be a replacement of the bible, of course you'll get all depressed and angry for 20 years for them not living up to YOUR delusions"
I will give you that, I was nieve to believe the lies that you and your cult fed me, however, God heard my prayers and moved me away from your doomsday false prophet cult, Now i'm happy and best of all I'm saved in the blood of Jesus Christ, (cont)
dxcel1 2 years ago
(cont)
as opposed to you, who is being misled into thinking that loyalty to a Satan inspired corporation in brooklyn is the way to salvation,,,, tisk, tisk...
tell you what, right here; right now, get down on your knees and become born again, except Christ into your heart, repent of your sins, make Christ your lord and savior... avoid rev 20:10
dxcel1 2 years ago
(cont)
dis-associate yourself from the modern day "false prophet"
dxcel1 2 years ago
You were foolish to feed lies to yourself. What YOU believed is VERY different than what WE teach.
Because YOU got your hopes up way too high because of a -human guess- ... because YOU assumed the society to be infallible, and their opinion to be prophecy... doesn't make it true.
Whatever religion you joined up with now, do you have such high expectations of them? Do you think your new cult leaders are infallible? And, do you take their opinions as prophecy?
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"Because YOU got your hopes up way too high because of a -human guess- ... because YOU assumed the society to be infallible, and their opinion to be prophecy"
Das, what makes you think i was involved with your cult prior to 1975? It's interesting to me, when i see you and fellow cult members make assumtions about me. To be clear, i came into your cult around 1975, and i heard about the aftermath, that should have been the warning sign. But your cult is very good at its lies.
dxcel1 2 years ago
You claimed to have left over 20 years ago, meaning you were a member at least as recently as the 80's, and usually people only develop such an obsession over something they lost if they were involved in that thing for a relatively long time. Particularly how angry you are about "prophecies," which would IMPLY you were involved during one of those times.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-'You were foolish to feed lies to yourself. What YOU believed is VERY different than what WE teach."
Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?
Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end.—"
(cont)
dxcel1 2 years ago
(cont)
Your doomsday false prophet cult leaders encouraged them to throw away their lives, and sell their homes.
das your a disgusting person, you and your fellow false prophets, have no shame no remorse, no conscience for the peoples lives your cult destroyed. Really your cult leaders are psychopaths; and youre a narcissist, (a personality disorder, which is incurable)
dxcel1 2 years ago
A: I wouldn't encourage anyone to sell their homes, nor would I sell mine if I had one. I don't particularly approve of people taking rash actions based on fallible human logic, and they paid the price for their overconfidence.
B: How many catholics have gone to war, and killed based on misguided faith? Is it really so much worse that "OH noZ! People got their hopes up"
C: Narcissism by itself isn't necessarily incurable. I suggest you leave psychology alone unless you've studied it some.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"Do you get your information from ANYWHERE other than propaganda web sites?"
what you call "propaganda" is what normal people call History, or the truth, but to answer to that question is: I read the bible and take to heart what Christ says, he is in fact the way, the truth and the life. I left your false prophet doomsday cult over twenty years ago, and thank God everyday for saving me from your cult.
btw the difference between you and me is, i quote Christ, while you quote your cult
dxcel1 2 years ago
Normal history is generally two-sided. Generally when someone who is predisposed against a certain group tells you a whole bunch of stuff that is 100% bad, and doesn't make any positive concessions, it's propaganda.
And Dx... you were the one that brought up the watchtower... I've been quoting the NIV bible this whole time. You've got some serious goggles on.
dasgregorian 2 years ago
das-"Normal history is generally two-sided."
So your saying that history is subjective, or that the truth is subjective, depending on who's telling the story. well tell that to the jews who hear people say that there was no holocaust. You are wrong again, and as long as you follow satan you will always be wrong, and quit lying abo