to end the debate.judo came from jiu jitsu. even tho maeda was known for judo many people didnt know that he was a jiu jitsu man first and learned judo so he could learn to better takedown his opponents cuz he was a traveling professional fighter. he taught the gracies jiu jitsu then they decided it could use a little improvement so they invented some new moves and techniques that were better suited for smaller fighters. if BJJ came from judo then it would of been called Brazilian-judo but no.
@navyteccs i was going to be humble and just correct you but you are just too fucking ignorant for your own good. BJJ came from Judo like it or not. You can look it up on google if you dont believe me. There is ground work in judo too, guys. all well, the the Gracies already brainwashed people to think jiu jitsu's so fucking great. Pull guard in a street fight and ill pound your face in. after i slam your back on the concrete for opening yourself up like that. End rant and my opinions.
@whatsflawless ummm when i first got into the arguement a couple of months ago i did the research before i said anything and this was the conclusion i found. to my friends im know for what i call "rock the boat" its when i do get gaurd and someone swings on me i use my abs to rock as for to the left and right as possible making people hit the ground, i got in a street fight once and the guy hit the concrete twice and he broke his pinky and then i hit him with an elbow on my rock to the left :)
@navyteccs thats awesome. dont get comfortable cuz when you do....his friend will come and kick your face in. I know all fights "go to the ground" but you need to get the fuck back up. there is just too many variables to put in the equation for me to wanna be on my back in a street fight. what if the dude that broke his pinky (he obviously knows nothing since you punch with your first two knuckles.) pulls out a knife, with you on your back? sorry my friend, i train to make sure i go home safe.
@whatsflawless he tackled me and as soon as we landed he started throwing punches, im not going to try and get up while im being bombarded with punches. as for the knife sometimes u have to take chances. i couldnt really do much cuz he was so fucking fat, but as he broke his pinky he grunted and i stuck my elbow out and after that the fight ended. sometimes u do end up on yur back and sometimes u just have to work with what your given.
@whatsflawless always be humble its the best way to seem intelligent on youtube. i get into alot of arguements with racists on here, and the only way to even talk to the is by staying calm, and it helps to make others look bad.
Its not a "closed door" match if it's video taped and posted on youtube. Or with so many spectators. These two have fought each other a couple of times. Both have something to prove.
It's funny how many people comment on here when they clearly display an absoloute lack of jiu-jitsu knowledge. If you don't understand, don't try and guess - watch and learn is the appropriate measure you need to take.
By the way, notice what a liar the narrator is? That's Rorian Gracie btw.
He claims Royce could have easily applied a RNC to finish him, ignoring the fact that Delucia grabbed Royce's left hand the whole time preventing him from sinking in the hooks.
@VCthaGOATdunker dude he had an arm around the neck and the grip wasnt that good james was flopping around like a fish trying to breath air rtoyce was sitting their day dreaming a nd iut is royce watch The Ultimate Gracie
No, Delucia grabbed Royce's left hand the whole time, was strong enough to prevent him from finishing him off with the rear naked choke. So he showed good defense on the ground and wasn't that much of a fish out of water. That dickhead narrator is just blatantly lying.
@VCthaGOATdunker ok do you study a martial art? im not even taking about BJJ i mean in general or are you a guy that watches enough MMA and thinks himself an expert? seriously?
You know what, I actually think Delucida could have finished Royce there with that choke if it wasn't for the strikes to the ribs? Royce wasn't the best at sub defense.
i doubt that very much. royce was in the mount when jason had that choke...NO LEVERAGE AT ALL.
royce didnt even need to do those rib shots...he couldve been patient and just waited a few seconds for jasons arms to become gassed and release/severely weaken the grip...or just simply cross face him to force him to immediately loosen his grip.
remember...position BEFORE submission!
jasons submission attempt was doomed to fail from the start.
@SkemeKOS You are discounting those rib shots. This was even much worse than mma gloves, they were knuckles being hit directly to the ribs, and you can see in how much pain Delucia was. Royce would have been in danger if it wasn't for those shots.
@VCthaGOATdunker u said that james had a choke i assumed u meant that guilletine which would have never worked and royce was playing with him jiu jitsu is all about patience they even said before the challange that royce dont finish him too early we want more footage i mean when royce ahd that mounted triangle and started slapping him he was ju holbing him there he rly could have finished the fight sooner
@DangerasTM Wrong, in their other videos they finished these fights as soon as possible. Delucia just put up some great resistance unlike the rest, but the Gracie liars are making it out to be a cakewalk and that Royce could have finished any time he wanted. See, YOU actually believe that, I can see it in your posts. He fooled you, but not me. So again, Royce failed to win by rear naked choke and he had to use MMA techniques like ground and pound to win at the end.
@VCthaGOATdunker i think your just butthurt cause kung fu isnt an effective style...i mean seriously whats your problem what reason would the gracies have by lying?
@VCthaGOATdunker how can you say that when gracie had clear dominance the entire match. he could have ended it any moment they were on the groud. i dont know why he chose to wait but the oppenent was a horrible grappler with ameture resistance.
@VCthaGOATdunker god just shut up. your profie is full of basketball games and dunk contests. you talk like you know martial arts but your just another fucking fake who wont give up just cause he hates being wrong. just dont respond and go away.
@DCOME94 THANKS FOR SAYING THAT BROTHER, THE PROBLEM IS: WHATEVER THE GRACIES TELL THEM THEY WILL BELIEVE WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONING, ROYCE ONLY DOMINATE THE KID FOR A SIMPLE REASON: JASON DID NOT KNOW BJJ!! NOT BECAUSE OF ROYCE, IF WE PUT ROYCE TO FIGHT JASON ONLY USING STAND UP TECHNIQUES, ROYCE WILL LOOSE!
@VCthaGOATdunker Although i agree with you about the rear naked choke, there is no way to stay conscious from a mounted triangle as tight as the one in the video for as long as he lasted unless Royce intentionally didn't squeeze.
Technically everyone is right. All Jui Jitsu is pretty much the same base but just modified until it is a completly different style. The Gracies took Japanese Jui Uitsu and modified it for themselves.
No, it is made to compare styles. Gracie claimes that Groundfighting is necessary in self defense and a style without it like Kung Fu will loose.
The sense of these fights and the first UFC-Tournaments was to find out, which style is the best.
Remeber: At these times most of the people were fighting styles like Boxing or Karate with lot of punching but no groundfighting. Today everyone knows MMA.
@Mr123qwesx but heres a thing theres a ground fighting technique within kung fu known as 'chin na'. the kung fu fighter here doesnt know this so that is why he is not actualy a kung fu master. its not kung fu he is using.
This looks like one of those fighters we have in the park every sunday with various jujitsu/boxing guys. Big wow. Royce in the mount couldnt punch his way out of a wet paper bag. I mean one of the greatest jujitsu men ever but if only he could punch he would have been able to kayo guys on the ground. Look at how his wrist is curled when he punches its almost like a gf punching u in the arm when she is angry! no one taught this guy how to punch. Renzo & ryan could really punch.
@joelaka3pac123 De Lucia was no more a "decent" kung fu guy than Tank Abbot was a decent "pro boxer" which is what he was marketed as.
The truth is the first few UFC were incredibly interesting but it would have been nice to see the Gracies hang around in the UFC when guys like Coleman, Kerr,Frye turned up. Renzo flew the flag great beating Taktarov & Maurice Smith and Warring but id have liked to see him in with a Kerr or Ken Shamrock. He would have beaten those guys.
@Sabre809, In a cage match he would win, if there were no boundries the Monk would keep stepping back....... I love it how western Kung Fu fanbois cling to the Shaolin monks as a last hope, when both sides know that the monk wont fight for reasons up to speculation. fear?
@fcuk4220 That feels more like an insult, I only ment is as a joke. =\ I just thought it'd be a funny thought, just even imagining them trying to convince a monk would be funny. There was no need to insult man. =\
@SkemeKOS, Yeah.... i really don't understand why it is so hard for people to understand.... JiuJitsu is a very different art than anything you see in Chinese martial arts.
Furthermore, im pretty sure JiuJitsu would have came about weather there was chinese influence on the Japanese or not.
@SkemeKOS Yeah, because it'll be hard to do all his forms while on his back, but I saw an interesting video of them having a ground combat fighting techniques. O.o But since it isn't there root it won't be much use. XD
actually the real brazilian spelling has an H, there are no names in the dictionary therefore you cannot try someone how they can or can not spell it ( espically since it said Hoyce in all the early UFC's so go fuck yourself )
@hazard2000 is sad see how ignorant u are, royce is with R the original spelling is with R, freaking idiot, we, in portuguese, pronounce R retarded, and H dosend have any sound, the only one in gracie's family that has H in the name is Helio, and doest pronounce the H. did u learn now little kid?
lol..ok ima reply u only once son..my shifu is trained by master scrima u can google him if u want...master scrima was train by 3 of the most amazing kung fu fighters in the history and of kung fu ...all of them being martial arts champions....so yeah go and keep watching that mma bullshit lol...
one on one on a clean surface (no broken glass or sharp gravel) _JJ is great, which is why it works for controlled MMA environment since few know how to strike. won't work so well in the real world when you get hit on the head or stabbed by the guy's buddy while you're taking your time choking him out.
works in the real world too.. ive used it in iraq and thats about as real as it gets..
also not much you can do if his buddy shows up with a knife other than run. i guess you're one of those tuff guys like this guy in the video who thinks you can take out two guys with your bare hands hahahaha
oh yeah and ill grapple in a box of used needles if it means life or death
kung fu is usualy referred to chinese martial arts but means any individual accomplishment or cultivated skill .... meaning it can be any self taught discipline or martial arts ................. YOU SUCK!
All you people who dont think jiu jitsu is superior to all else then your only fooling yourselfves, why do you think every armed force in the world have components of jiu jitsu in their hand to hand training. and if you listen to gracie all others neglect ground fighting, and it is always a gentle victory too no blood
thanks genious, by the way jiu jitsu is a japanese word if brazillian is sooo different to its traditional japanese counterpart then perhaps is should have a spanish derived name instead?
before you start defaming people you should really get your facts right.
There is a difference in the spelling, Japanese Ju-jitsu and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu I just started training BJJ and im a Junior black belt in Japanese Ju-jitsu ( black belt thats under 16 ) and there are many differences between the two, JJJ is much more about self defence from standing and teaches you that you should not rely on your ground skills for a street fight
freaking stupid, u are a fucking ignorant. in Brazil we speak portuguese. and both styles exists japanese and brazilian. u are defaming your people saying things like that.
u shut the fuck up, dialect is your ass, the both languages are derived from latin, and they were created pretty much in the same time, thats why we understand each other, not because we are a dialect, go study a little bit you freaking ignorant, u dont know what u are saying. we can understand italian and french too, are they a dialect of spanish?
you really need to shut the fuck up because anyone who speaks spanish can speak portugese, like my uncle moved to brazil for awhile and he spoke spanish and he said he could easily communicate with anyone there wether he spoke spanish or portugese, he obviously learned portugese while he was there but he said he could speak to people in spanish and they would know exactly what he ment
@hazard2000 dude, why are u so stupid? did i said that we cant understand each other? no i said that we arent a dialect from spanish. and btw, people learn spanish here too, as your uncle did, thats why besides the similarity we can understand each other, enough for your small mind? if is not go study a little bit,and shut the fuck up,cuz u are nobody saying what you dont know,and now, go masturbate in the bathroom, i bet anything you do it better than u know about portuguese and spanish.
why would I give a fuck about portuguese or spanish? pretty much every country that speaks either languauge is a shithole compared to where I live so fuck you spick.
@hazard2000: if that is what u think why u write that in youtube? go around your block and tell people what u think to see what happens! --- yeah, you will NEVER do that cus u gonna get your white ass kicked in no time lolololo... stupid white ass klu klux shit.
@chupown actually there are many types of jiu-jitsu, including the two you listed and many more, black panther jiu-jitsu, akijiu-jitsu and tai-jitsu are three more i can think of right now but there are many more.
@hazard2000 lol did you really just say tai-jitsu? Tai-jitsu isn't a type of jiujitsu. It literally means 'body art' and is used to define any unarmed combat art.
@chupown ummm no... their aren't two types of jui jitsu... You should watch what you say that is a very common misconception... What you think its Japanese Jui Jitsu is called JuJutsu and it is NOTHING like BJJ they are two completely different things like Karate and Judo... Jujutsu trained in swords and all sorts of stuff... BJJ is a knock off of Judo that was brought to Brazil by Mitsuyo Maeda (amazing Judoka) and taught to Carlos Gracie and his 4 brothers...
@SlugDropsonheads well actually, the reason it includes swords is because all of that derived from samurais, jiujitsu/judo was used for when there were no swords left
@OffspringFTW65 "the reason it includes swords is because all of that derived from samurais"
This is more of a myth than reality. There were hundreds of Jujutsu styles in Japan before Judo was invented. Some of them had nothing to do with grappling. There was actually no common thread between any of them. They took a little bit from a lot of Jujutsu styles and pieced together what worked, but what really made Judo stand out was that they were spending a lot more time sparring.
Actually they have a ancient Japanese painting of Samurai doing things like Judo style takedowns, and rear naked chokes, armbars etc. There is not "myth" about it, Samurai have been killing eachother via chokes and armbars, knee bars etc for alittle over 500 years. You should learn about it, and the Samurai arn't the only ones either, Europeans implied the same theorys to fight armored Knights, you gonna box a Knight/Samurai? LOL No, but you can throw them on the ground and bend their arm wrong
Actually Japanese Jujitsu is alot like BJJ... jujitsu is the grappling system used by the Samurai to kill armored people whithout using a weapon. You cannot punch someone in armor and a sword, but you can close the distance taking away the use of that weapon, and throw them onto the ground and defeat them using chokes or locks by leverage and technique. The EXACT theory used by BJJ fighters today in MMA. Japanese people have been doing triangles and armbars for a thousand years BJJ is not new.
@GuamKomudo No, the samurai used a style called Jujutsu and it was father to Judo. A JUDO practicioner by the name of Mitsuyo Maeda (also know as Conde Koma) went to Brazil and developed what is now known as Brazilian JJ. So baby Judo (bjj) actually has fundamentals from Jujutsu and Judo. At this point Judo has been transformed and changed to a sport much like JJ has. Only difference is Judo stresses the importance of finishing a fight fast much more. In JJ you sit in each others legs forever.
While they are not exactally the same, they are still extremely similar and many of their techniques over lap and are the same. In real life, if you Judo slam someone on the sidewalk, that's the end LOL You don't need to finish, they could even not be getting back up... Ever... =P
@GuamKomudo There are also Greek and Roman pottery paintings which show pankratists using triangles and other submissions. Doesn't mean they were anything like BJJ masters of today, although I'd believe the pankratists were a bit closer to submission mastery than the samurai were.
"Japanese people have been doing triangles and armbars for a thousand years"
Well no, they haven't. And BJJ is new. We know that until Kosen Judo evolved, JJJ pretty much sucked by today's standards.
NOOOO LOL Japanese Jujitsu was PERFECT for the what it was used for. JJJ was a war born art, I would challenge any BJJ master to fight a fully armored Samurai... JJJ was used for IF you end up on the ground, let's put the senereos against eachother. The last place you wanna be sitting in guard for 15 minutes is on a battle field with armed warriors, horseback archers,people fighting all over the place kicking up dirt etc. JJJ was get the takedown and stab them with your dagger...BJJ is good MMA
Actually, JJJ was mostly stand up. There are also hundreds of JJJ styles. Some were striking only, for instance. It was basically a bunch of mixed up and non-systematized crap.
"The last place you wanna be sitting in guard for 15 minutes is on a battle field with armed warriors, horseback archers"
Good thing we no longer have roaming bands of horse archers I guess.. Though I do seem to remember something about samurai fighting one on one battles.
There was no stand up Jujitsu except the grappling part, you cannot punch someone in armor, you can push kick them over or something, but most strikes are not effective to a armored and armed person. Hence they made their fighting grappling based. If you slame someone onto the ground not on a mat, and in full armor, you really don't need to finish them, they're probably done, not to mention they will get stepped on etc. BJJ would not work in a Feudal war, JJJ was perfect for it's use
"There was no stand up Jujitsu except the grappling part, you cannot punch someone in armor, you can push kick them over or something"
Actually, there were JJJ styles that were stand up only. There were sword JJJ styles, just about anything you can think of. Most of it was pretty static and compliant type training. Not much sparring, like in Judo or BJJ, which is the primary difference imo.
"BJJ would not work in a Feudal war, JJJ was perfect for it's use"
Again, good thing we don't have feudal wars anymore. Though you have no proof or even a half reasonable argument for why you believe BJJ had no use in feudal warfare. BJJ works in one-on-one situations in the street and in modern warfare (it is now the fundamental hand-to-hand training of the US military, and it apparently works in war quite well).
You fail to understand what I'm saying to you... IT WAS PERFECT FOR IT'S USE. It worked, and well or no one would do it or even try it, and it would not exist today. If it didn't work, everyone would have noticed when they all died. what the hell do you BJJ freaks want? Oh I'll just upload my last video of a Samurai war... Losers, there's 500 year old paintings of Samurai doing rear naked chokes and Judo style throws. I wanna see your video BJJ VS fully armored Samurai. Gracie VS Samurai...
"You fail to understand what I'm saying to you... IT WAS PERFECT FOR IT'S USE"
I don't know or care whether it worked hundreds of years ago. The cotton gin worked well for its day too, but now we have much more efficient and effective ways of making cotton. Same with martial arts. JJJ has proven time and time again to be utter crap as a fighting style outside of feudal Japan, which is why the most popular jiu-jitsu style in Japan today is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
"there's 500 year old paintings of Samurai doing rear naked chokes and Judo style throws"
Can you point me toward these images? I'm not finding them anywhere, and doubt that they actually exist.
"I wanna see your video BJJ VS fully armored Samurai. Gracie VS Samurai"
And I want to see a JJJ practitioner fight a fully armored Spartan trained in Pankration. Preferably one who fought in the Persian or Peloponnesian Wars. Wait, that's a stupid thing to ask for. Kinda like yours.
@GuamKomudo Keep posting your excuses on youtube for why JJJ and Kung Fu guys suck at fighting and how you're too deadly to fight. Meanwhile us BJJ guys will keep on fighting.
@GuamKomudo Keep posting your excuses on youtube for why practitioners of JJJ, Kung Fu, Aikido, Wing Chun, etc. suck at fighting and how you're too deadly to fight. Meanwhile us BJJ/MMA guys will keep on actually fighting and winning.
I'm actually a BJJ practitioner and train at an MMA gym... You're really hard to talk to because you're either too stupid to understand what I'm saying, or you just like to turn things around so you can argue more idk... =P I love BJJ, but JJJ was good for what it was used for, and BJJ is good for what it is used for. the point was, they are created for different perposes, so stop saying BJJ is better, because they're both perfect for what they were used for, stop arguing and get over it
It is. JJJ today is total compliant BS like Aikido. I highly doubt it could have possibly helped any samurai in battle if it was trained the same way hundreds of years ago as it is today. BJJ, on the other hand, initially conquered all other martial arts in one-on-one, hand-to-hand combat. Now it's seen as an absolute must if you want to learn to fight.
Jujitsu and aikido arn't the same... The point of JJJ was to clinch the person, taking away the use of their weapon, then take them down, via Judo slam or sweep, then establish a dominant position and stab them with a knife, or choke or joint lock.Sounds VERY similar to the theory of BJJ... The least you could do was show some respect to the guys that figured it all out, these are the founding fathers of BJJ, you act like the Samurai were just tards that stumbled around Japan with toy swords
"The point of JJJ was to clinch the person, taking away the use of their weapon, then take them down, via Judo slam or sweep, then establish a dominant position and stab them with a knife, or choke or joint lock.Sounds VERY similar to the theory of BJJ"
Problem is, they don't have these techniques contained in any single JJJ style besides Judo. The idea that samurai were as competent as a Judoka is 100% myth.
"show some respect to the guys that figured it all out"
I give credit mostly to Kano, with a little left over for Maeda and the Gracies.
"you act like the Samurai were just tards that stumbled around Japan"
IF they trained like JJJ people today currently train, there would be no doubt that they were just a bunch of tards with swords. However, we really don't know much about how the average samurai trained in h2h combat, but it's safe to assume JJJ today is trained MUCH differently from then.
Stop quoting me and then trying to turn it around. You just said exactally what I've been saying the whole time. The Samurai were a respected and at their hight, they were one of the highest social classes and the most feared warriors in Japan, they didn't get to that point by being failures at life, they were legit. Besides Jujitsu was hardly their main art, and for good reason, it was just back up. Samurai own BJJ... Let's see BJJ VS Japanese Horseback archery... Or naginata...
So you DO understand what I'm saying.Traditional martial arts beat modern ring sports due to the fact that they used weapons, armies,and no rules combat.MMA and BJJ are sports,JJJ and other Japanese fighting systems of the time involved weapons. Sport Taekwondo is no TMA... REAL TMA are Kendo, Yabusame(Horseback archery)German long sword, Shaolin Spear etc. BJJ is PERFECT for it's use,and TMA were perfect for their use in their time. Stop comparing two things that are not used for the same thing
"So you DO understand what I'm saying.Traditional martial arts beat modern ring sports due to the fact that they used weapons, armies,and no rules combat."
Actually, this is mostly myth. Most TMAs were not originally practiced in any way resembling how they are practiced now. Look at the Shaolin monks for example. Real fighting monks who fought in armies 100s of years ago probably spent some time actually sparring. What they do now has almost nothing to do with fighting. It's 99% performance.
@gemboz In UFC 1 Royce beat Ken Shamrock (I can't remember, was he a catch wrestler or a shoot fighter?). Then UFC 2 he beat Remco Pardoel, the European Judo champion who outweighed him by like 60 lbs., and then he beat Dan Severn at UFC 4 who did Greco Roman and Sambo (who also outweighed him).
Of course this doesn't prove BJJ is the better grappling system, as it was one fight each, but it certainly proved the worth of BJJ and was the reason for the BJJ explosion in the US and elsewhere.
@Ljenkins9000 Using that small outdated examples you bring everywhere is not going to legitimate that bjj conquer all MA's.
You need to do a research on 'The Gracie Hunter', or who's the best P2P fighter and what main style they're using. No, bjj NEVER conquer judo , sambo, or catch, turns out it's the other way around.
@gemboz You need to do a research on 'The Gracie Hunter'
Yes Sakuraba was a catch wrestler. Doesn't mean Royce didn't beat practitioners of those other styles in the first couple UFC tournaments, the first time any of those styles fought in a no rules setting, which was my point.
"or who's the best P2P fighter and what main style they're using"
Could be Anderson Silva, GSP or some still say BJ Penn for some reason. All BJJ guys, although GSP is an insanely good wrestler as well.
@gemboz You need to do a research on 'The Gracie Hunter'
Yes Sakuraba was a catch wrestler. Doesn't mean Royce didn't beat practitioners of those other styles in the first couple UFC tournaments, the first time any of those styles fought in a no rules setting, which was my point.
"or who's the best P2P fighter and what main style they're using"
Could be Anderson Silva, GSP or some still say BJ Penn for some reason. All BJJ guys, although GSP is an insanely good wrestler as well.
Since the Gracies learned Japanese techniques and, did not accept much of the Judo philosophy (and they may have only been taught self-defense techniques, rather than the whole system of education and, philosophy), then what else could we call it? It came from Japan and, while is similar to Judo in some ways, is obviously different. Calling it jiu-jitsu, which is a different English spelling is actually a sign of respect to it's origins.
Thanks to Royce all mma fighters cross train in other martial arts to to win. In the early UFC it was fighting style against fighting style with no weight class, or time limit. It is etched in history who the winner of the early UFC, 8 man elimination tournaments was. And you don't see anyone fighting 3 times in one night anymore. People can talk shit, but Royce was a great fighter and the Gracie family rules.
WHAT what 5 styles i didnt see 1 hes an embarassment he didnt even have his guard up better yet challange my sifu were down in Texas and youll both leave chopped and screwed up I PROMISE
kung fu is based on striking anypart of the body ufc nor mma allow hits to the groin, eyes poking, hands locks etc so u think dat if ur fighting again some1 on the streets ur gonna wait there for a headlock? or better yet his buddies are just gonna stay there a watch? and a remind u dat i never said dat bjj was useless is a good martial art and so is kung fu so get ur shit right boy
So its basicily for men who like to touch others balls? and ive never been poked in the eyes in a fight before nor have I seen any proof that kungfu is effective in MMA so shut the fuck up and go suck a dick.
well then go to a kung fu school challenge their sifu upload the video if u have the balls n prove ur point lil boy. come on i wanna c how u prove ur point!
how old ru boy? 13? u need to go and suck ur daddys sack or better yet challenge a sifu like that dude said and let us see how u get fucked up!lol there is no best martial art, there is best martial artist but u dont understand dat cuz its 2 much for ur lil brain
if you watch the early gracie videos a lot of the kung fu guys were trying to get to the eyes, and desperatly attack the groin and so on. They were anything goes matches. It doesnt change much. the entire gang fighting thing is more of an excuse than anything. ive been in a lot of street fights and not one of them was I gang jumped. its always one on one.
i first wanna thank u for not usin bad language u got my respect. BUT at 2:34 look at the "kung fu" fighter flexibility come on! he is clearly not a kung fu fighter
ARE YOU SHITTING ME? this is jason delucia one of the best kung fu fighters in the world and he even fought in mma agaisnt Hoyce after this fight and lost again
@joaojcjoao look at the kung fu guy's gar. come on! my shifu says DONT EVER have ur DAT low unless u no dat ur faster than ur opponent. Stop at 0:20 hes fixing his shorts wtf? who does he think he is bruce lee? and his stand? his feet are lined up no wonder he lost. he might be a "champ" but like many others, he doesnt have good basis
dude, i wont say things that i dont know, i dont understand kung fu, but he was an awesome fighter, he has a good record, and he was a kung fu fighter
you have no idea what your talking about he is by far the best kungfu fighter you've seen, he was very popular in early MMA and would probably even give a very well known kungfu fighter like cung lee a good fight
if he fought any kungfu fighter he probably would have won, theres a reason why people dont use kungfu in MMA if your shit talking this kung fu fighter then you might aswell be claiming the whole art is garbage because he is for sure one of the top 5 kungfu fighters to ever fight MMA, probably in the top 2 just under cung lee
your retarded, you call mma bullshit but you constantly dish out money for someone to teach you a bs art like kungfu where all you learn is forms? MMA is way better for self defence, you can learn more in MMA in 2 years then 5 or 6 in kungfu, MMA is much more practicle because its been modifed to be effective, not like kungfu that used to be effective when people had 8 hours a day to train, but since most people train 2-6
thats was pretty badass!!!!
1986coreymma 2 weeks ago
to end the debate.judo came from jiu jitsu. even tho maeda was known for judo many people didnt know that he was a jiu jitsu man first and learned judo so he could learn to better takedown his opponents cuz he was a traveling professional fighter. he taught the gracies jiu jitsu then they decided it could use a little improvement so they invented some new moves and techniques that were better suited for smaller fighters. if BJJ came from judo then it would of been called Brazilian-judo but no.
navyteccs 5 months ago
@navyteccs i was going to be humble and just correct you but you are just too fucking ignorant for your own good. BJJ came from Judo like it or not. You can look it up on google if you dont believe me. There is ground work in judo too, guys. all well, the the Gracies already brainwashed people to think jiu jitsu's so fucking great. Pull guard in a street fight and ill pound your face in. after i slam your back on the concrete for opening yourself up like that. End rant and my opinions.
whatsflawless 3 months ago
@whatsflawless ummm when i first got into the arguement a couple of months ago i did the research before i said anything and this was the conclusion i found. to my friends im know for what i call "rock the boat" its when i do get gaurd and someone swings on me i use my abs to rock as for to the left and right as possible making people hit the ground, i got in a street fight once and the guy hit the concrete twice and he broke his pinky and then i hit him with an elbow on my rock to the left :)
navyteccs 3 months ago
@navyteccs thats awesome. dont get comfortable cuz when you do....his friend will come and kick your face in. I know all fights "go to the ground" but you need to get the fuck back up. there is just too many variables to put in the equation for me to wanna be on my back in a street fight. what if the dude that broke his pinky (he obviously knows nothing since you punch with your first two knuckles.) pulls out a knife, with you on your back? sorry my friend, i train to make sure i go home safe.
whatsflawless 3 months ago
@whatsflawless he tackled me and as soon as we landed he started throwing punches, im not going to try and get up while im being bombarded with punches. as for the knife sometimes u have to take chances. i couldnt really do much cuz he was so fucking fat, but as he broke his pinky he grunted and i stuck my elbow out and after that the fight ended. sometimes u do end up on yur back and sometimes u just have to work with what your given.
navyteccs 3 months ago
@navyteccs sorry gracie jiu jitsu is not for me :)
whatsflawless 3 months ago
@whatsflawless always be humble its the best way to seem intelligent on youtube. i get into alot of arguements with racists on here, and the only way to even talk to the is by staying calm, and it helps to make others look bad.
navyteccs 3 months ago
@navyteccs buut. im not racist, racism is a crime....and crime.....that's for black people.
whatsflawless 3 months ago
@navyteccs which moves in particular did they invent?
ex0ja 3 weeks ago
BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU PORRA.....THE BEST MATIAL ART
godoijiu 6 months ago
Delucia had no chance.
MOTHIKAS 11 months ago
Didn't work as well with Matt Hughes though.
MTNBUM5 11 months ago
"Almost impossible" Wow.
dekal1 1 year ago
was this before or after they fought in ufc 2 anyone know
KCJAZZ60 1 year ago
Its not a "closed door" match if it's video taped and posted on youtube. Or with so many spectators. These two have fought each other a couple of times. Both have something to prove.
SiJe76 1 year ago
It's funny how many people comment on here when they clearly display an absoloute lack of jiu-jitsu knowledge. If you don't understand, don't try and guess - watch and learn is the appropriate measure you need to take.
YorkshireGripper 1 year ago
By the way, notice what a liar the narrator is? That's Rorian Gracie btw.
He claims Royce could have easily applied a RNC to finish him, ignoring the fact that Delucia grabbed Royce's left hand the whole time preventing him from sinking in the hooks.
VCthaGOATdunker 1 year ago
@VCthaGOATdunker
??????????
royce DID have his hooks in lol
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@VCthaGOATdunker dude he had an arm around the neck and the grip wasnt that good james was flopping around like a fish trying to breath air rtoyce was sitting their day dreaming a nd iut is royce watch The Ultimate Gracie
DangerasTM 1 year ago
@DangerasTM
No, Delucia grabbed Royce's left hand the whole time, was strong enough to prevent him from finishing him off with the rear naked choke. So he showed good defense on the ground and wasn't that much of a fish out of water. That dickhead narrator is just blatantly lying.
VCthaGOATdunker 1 year ago
@VCthaGOATdunker ok do you study a martial art? im not even taking about BJJ i mean in general or are you a guy that watches enough MMA and thinks himself an expert? seriously?
DangerasTM 1 year ago
You know what, I actually think Delucida could have finished Royce there with that choke if it wasn't for the strikes to the ribs? Royce wasn't the best at sub defense.
VCthaGOATdunker 1 year ago
@VCthaGOATdunker
i doubt that very much. royce was in the mount when jason had that choke...NO LEVERAGE AT ALL.
royce didnt even need to do those rib shots...he couldve been patient and just waited a few seconds for jasons arms to become gassed and release/severely weaken the grip...or just simply cross face him to force him to immediately loosen his grip.
remember...position BEFORE submission!
jasons submission attempt was doomed to fail from the start.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago 4
@SkemeKOS You are discounting those rib shots. This was even much worse than mma gloves, they were knuckles being hit directly to the ribs, and you can see in how much pain Delucia was. Royce would have been in danger if it wasn't for those shots.
VCthaGOATdunker 1 year ago
@VCthaGOATdunker
nope. no danger from a guillotine unless you have the opponent in your guard.
royce was in mount position.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@VCthaGOATdunker even though its impossible to finish a guilletine from the mount?
DangerasTM 1 year ago
@DangerasTM i'm not talking about the mount jackass, i mean when royce had his back.
VCthaGOATdunker 1 year ago
@VCthaGOATdunker u said that james had a choke i assumed u meant that guilletine which would have never worked and royce was playing with him jiu jitsu is all about patience they even said before the challange that royce dont finish him too early we want more footage i mean when royce ahd that mounted triangle and started slapping him he was ju holbing him there he rly could have finished the fight sooner
DangerasTM 1 year ago
@DangerasTM Wrong, in their other videos they finished these fights as soon as possible. Delucia just put up some great resistance unlike the rest, but the Gracie liars are making it out to be a cakewalk and that Royce could have finished any time he wanted. See, YOU actually believe that, I can see it in your posts. He fooled you, but not me. So again, Royce failed to win by rear naked choke and he had to use MMA techniques like ground and pound to win at the end.
VCthaGOATdunker 1 year ago
@VCthaGOATdunker i think your just butthurt cause kung fu isnt an effective style...i mean seriously whats your problem what reason would the gracies have by lying?
DangerasTM 1 year ago
@VCthaGOATdunker how can you say that when gracie had clear dominance the entire match. he could have ended it any moment they were on the groud. i dont know why he chose to wait but the oppenent was a horrible grappler with ameture resistance.
DCOME94 1 year ago
@DCOME94 Yup, you're another moron that eats up Rorion's propaganda like it's eating grapes. Try to develop your own mind and opinion.
VCthaGOATdunker 1 year ago
@VCthaGOATdunker god just shut up. your profie is full of basketball games and dunk contests. you talk like you know martial arts but your just another fucking fake who wont give up just cause he hates being wrong. just dont respond and go away.
DCOME94 1 year ago
@DCOME94 THANKS FOR SAYING THAT BROTHER, THE PROBLEM IS: WHATEVER THE GRACIES TELL THEM THEY WILL BELIEVE WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONING, ROYCE ONLY DOMINATE THE KID FOR A SIMPLE REASON: JASON DID NOT KNOW BJJ!! NOT BECAUSE OF ROYCE, IF WE PUT ROYCE TO FIGHT JASON ONLY USING STAND UP TECHNIQUES, ROYCE WILL LOOSE!
tigerjab 11 months ago
@VCthaGOATdunker Although i agree with you about the rear naked choke, there is no way to stay conscious from a mounted triangle as tight as the one in the video for as long as he lasted unless Royce intentionally didn't squeeze.
seanw25 11 months ago
@VCthaGOATdunker 100% CORRECT!
tigerjab 11 months ago
Technically everyone is right. All Jui Jitsu is pretty much the same base but just modified until it is a completly different style. The Gracies took Japanese Jui Uitsu and modified it for themselves.
alexlaws2007 1 year ago
@alexlaws2007
EXACTLY!!!
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
Umm... I may be missing the point here, but...
Aren't closed door matches supposed to be between two guys, closed to the world? I mean, that's what "closed door" means, right?
So isn't filming it and bragging about the win a bit dishonorable?
dotofdeath 1 year ago
@dotofdeath
No, it is made to compare styles. Gracie claimes that Groundfighting is necessary in self defense and a style without it like Kung Fu will loose.
The sense of these fights and the first UFC-Tournaments was to find out, which style is the best.
Remeber: At these times most of the people were fighting styles like Boxing or Karate with lot of punching but no groundfighting. Today everyone knows MMA.
Mr123qwesx 1 year ago
@Mr123qwesx but heres a thing theres a ground fighting technique within kung fu known as 'chin na'. the kung fu fighter here doesnt know this so that is why he is not actualy a kung fu master. its not kung fu he is using.
heavyironmusic 1 year ago
@dotofdeath
no, no its not.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
This looks like one of those fighters we have in the park every sunday with various jujitsu/boxing guys. Big wow. Royce in the mount couldnt punch his way out of a wet paper bag. I mean one of the greatest jujitsu men ever but if only he could punch he would have been able to kayo guys on the ground. Look at how his wrist is curled when he punches its almost like a gf punching u in the arm when she is angry! no one taught this guy how to punch. Renzo & ryan could really punch.
sikhman100 1 year ago
great fighter
but when he keeps saying at everypoint how he is only going easy and could just end it is bullshit
any "kung fu" fighter that doesnt have ground knowledge is bs anyways because the five animals in shaolin use takedowns i know tiger style does
joelaka3pac123 1 year ago
@joelaka3pac123 De Lucia was no more a "decent" kung fu guy than Tank Abbot was a decent "pro boxer" which is what he was marketed as.
The truth is the first few UFC were incredibly interesting but it would have been nice to see the Gracies hang around in the UFC when guys like Coleman, Kerr,Frye turned up. Renzo flew the flag great beating Taktarov & Maurice Smith and Warring but id have liked to see him in with a Kerr or Ken Shamrock. He would have beaten those guys.
sikhman100 1 year ago
@joelaka3pac123 Takedowns don't mean you can fight on the floor.
LunchtimeLoonies 1 year ago
@LunchtimeLoonies well thats what i meant
was really thinking to include all of that i expected the readers to get it
joelaka3pac123 1 year ago
Everyone I have an idea! =D what if a gracie goes to fight a Shaolin monk! XD What would happen? XP
Sabre809 1 year ago
@Sabre809, In a cage match he would win, if there were no boundries the Monk would keep stepping back....... I love it how western Kung Fu fanbois cling to the Shaolin monks as a last hope, when both sides know that the monk wont fight for reasons up to speculation. fear?
fcuk4220 1 year ago
@fcuk4220 That feels more like an insult, I only ment is as a joke. =\ I just thought it'd be a funny thought, just even imagining them trying to convince a monk would be funny. There was no need to insult man. =\
Sabre809 1 year ago
@fcuk4220
agreed.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS, Yeah.... i really don't understand why it is so hard for people to understand.... JiuJitsu is a very different art than anything you see in Chinese martial arts.
Furthermore, im pretty sure JiuJitsu would have came about weather there was chinese influence on the Japanese or not.
fcuk4220 1 year ago
@Sabre809
gracie would win...unless the monk uses weapons.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS Yeah, because it'll be hard to do all his forms while on his back, but I saw an interesting video of them having a ground combat fighting techniques. O.o But since it isn't there root it won't be much use. XD
Sabre809 1 year ago
@Sabre809
thats good. and just because it isnt their root, doesnt mean it wont be much use.
at least they are incorporating ground fighting.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS If you want a link to see a little bit of it i'd show it to you! =D
Sabre809 1 year ago
@Sabre809
yeah, sure bro.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS I send it to you in a message
Sabre809 1 year ago
jiu jitsu is good in artificial environments like a ring or a cage
sooperfukker 1 year ago
KUNG FU is only good in movies :D
BDRioga 1 year ago
fantastico!!!!
socaltek 1 year ago
ROYCE IS WITH R NOT H.
joaojcjoao 1 year ago
actually the real brazilian spelling has an H, there are no names in the dictionary therefore you cannot try someone how they can or can not spell it ( espically since it said Hoyce in all the early UFC's so go fuck yourself )
hazard2000 1 year ago
@hazard2000 is sad see how ignorant u are, royce is with R the original spelling is with R, freaking idiot, we, in portuguese, pronounce R retarded, and H dosend have any sound, the only one in gracie's family that has H in the name is Helio, and doest pronounce the H. did u learn now little kid?
joaojcjoao 1 year ago
lol..ok ima reply u only once son..my shifu is trained by master scrima u can google him if u want...master scrima was train by 3 of the most amazing kung fu fighters in the history and of kung fu ...all of them being martial arts champions....so yeah go and keep watching that mma bullshit lol...
yerovi86 1 year ago
you mean escrima, MMA isn't bullshit, but most fighters has trained in Gracie Jiu Jitsu since it's more effective than kung fu haha
sk8pirata 1 year ago
@sk8pirata no i meant scrima
yerovi86 1 year ago
@yerovi86 wtf is scrima
sk8pirata 1 year ago
@yerovi86
but kung fu is bullshit. its been proven time and time again.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
one on one on a clean surface (no broken glass or sharp gravel) _JJ is great, which is why it works for controlled MMA environment since few know how to strike. won't work so well in the real world when you get hit on the head or stabbed by the guy's buddy while you're taking your time choking him out.
chickenthrower 2 years ago
It's already been proven unlike whatever bullshit you train in.
mmtxaz 2 years ago
works in the real world too.. ive used it in iraq and thats about as real as it gets..
also not much you can do if his buddy shows up with a knife other than run. i guess you're one of those tuff guys like this guy in the video who thinks you can take out two guys with your bare hands hahahaha
oh yeah and ill grapple in a box of used needles if it means life or death
tdub863 1 year ago
the kung fu guy missed his chance
he should have thrown a knee
when horce flew in for the tackle.
bibafortuna 2 years ago
your a dumbass.
hazard2000 2 years ago
He missed his chance by practicing Kung Fu instead of an art that works like BJJ.
mmtxaz 2 years ago
good judo ne-waza
robl1616 2 years ago
kung-fu sucks!!!
fhm1048 2 years ago
kung fu is usualy referred to chinese martial arts but means any individual accomplishment or cultivated skill .... meaning it can be any self taught discipline or martial arts ................. YOU SUCK!
damyouz 2 years ago
kung fu refers to a very wide range of martial arts.
LingEntityNoobi 2 years ago
All you people who dont think jiu jitsu is superior to all else then your only fooling yourselfves, why do you think every armed force in the world have components of jiu jitsu in their hand to hand training. and if you listen to gracie all others neglect ground fighting, and it is always a gentle victory too no blood
robboholic 2 years ago
specify my man Gracie or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Japanese Jiu Jitsu is another discipline. Gracie Jiu Jitsu fucking Rules!!!
chupown 2 years ago
jiu jitsu is japanese
robboholic 2 years ago
Idiot there are 2 types of Jiu Jitsu, the japanese and the brazilian...
chupown 2 years ago 7
thanks genious, by the way jiu jitsu is a japanese word if brazillian is sooo different to its traditional japanese counterpart then perhaps is should have a spanish derived name instead?
before you start defaming people you should really get your facts right.
robboholic 2 years ago
There is a difference in the spelling, Japanese Ju-jitsu and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu I just started training BJJ and im a Junior black belt in Japanese Ju-jitsu ( black belt thats under 16 ) and there are many differences between the two, JJJ is much more about self defence from standing and teaches you that you should not rely on your ground skills for a street fight
hazard2000 2 years ago
thanks for the info
robboholic 2 years ago
@robboholic Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is a Jiu-Jitsu modified by Helio Gracie also called Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, so it actually exist.
insertia2nd 2 years ago
@robboholic Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is Jiu-Jitsu modified by Holie Gracie and also called Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. So it actually exist.
insertia2nd 2 years ago
Brazilians speak Portuguese not Spanish get your facts straight!!! LOL jk jk
sekcwolf 2 years ago
Get your facts straight. They don't speak Spanish in Brazil. Second BJJ is worlds apart, and better, than Jap JJ.
mmtxaz 2 years ago
freaking stupid, u are a fucking ignorant. in Brazil we speak portuguese. and both styles exists japanese and brazilian. u are defaming your people saying things like that.
joaojcjoao 1 year ago
portugese is just a dialect of spanish, much like american is of english - you both understand each other perfectly well - don't get all up tight
robboholic2 1 year ago
u shut the fuck up, dialect is your ass, the both languages are derived from latin, and they were created pretty much in the same time, thats why we understand each other, not because we are a dialect, go study a little bit you freaking ignorant, u dont know what u are saying. we can understand italian and french too, are they a dialect of spanish?
joaojcjoao 1 year ago
you really need to shut the fuck up because anyone who speaks spanish can speak portugese, like my uncle moved to brazil for awhile and he spoke spanish and he said he could easily communicate with anyone there wether he spoke spanish or portugese, he obviously learned portugese while he was there but he said he could speak to people in spanish and they would know exactly what he ment
hazard2000 1 year ago
@hazard2000 dude, why are u so stupid? did i said that we cant understand each other? no i said that we arent a dialect from spanish. and btw, people learn spanish here too, as your uncle did, thats why besides the similarity we can understand each other, enough for your small mind? if is not go study a little bit,and shut the fuck up,cuz u are nobody saying what you dont know,and now, go masturbate in the bathroom, i bet anything you do it better than u know about portuguese and spanish.
joaojcjoao 1 year ago
why would I give a fuck about portuguese or spanish? pretty much every country that speaks either languauge is a shithole compared to where I live so fuck you spick.
hazard2000 1 year ago
haha ok, by your answer i got sure how smart u are. your country is really sweet, i feel bad that it has people like u living there.
joaojcjoao 1 year ago
@hazard2000: if that is what u think why u write that in youtube? go around your block and tell people what u think to see what happens! --- yeah, you will NEVER do that cus u gonna get your white ass kicked in no time lolololo... stupid white ass klu klux shit.
BDRioga 1 year ago
@chupown but where did jiu jistu originate from?
emkplayboy6 1 year ago
@emkplayboy6, China, snake and crane forms diffused into Japan, BUT it is still its own art. Very unique.
fcuk4220 1 year ago
@chupown you tell em
modifiedgeneticsdnb 1 year ago
@chupown actually there are many types of jiu-jitsu, including the two you listed and many more, black panther jiu-jitsu, akijiu-jitsu and tai-jitsu are three more i can think of right now but there are many more.
hazard2000 1 year ago
@hazard2000 lol did you really just say tai-jitsu? Tai-jitsu isn't a type of jiujitsu. It literally means 'body art' and is used to define any unarmed combat art.
ryan31394 1 year ago
@chupown ummm no... their aren't two types of jui jitsu... You should watch what you say that is a very common misconception... What you think its Japanese Jui Jitsu is called JuJutsu and it is NOTHING like BJJ they are two completely different things like Karate and Judo... Jujutsu trained in swords and all sorts of stuff... BJJ is a knock off of Judo that was brought to Brazil by Mitsuyo Maeda (amazing Judoka) and taught to Carlos Gracie and his 4 brothers...
SlugDropsonheads 1 year ago 9
@SlugDropsonheads well actually, the reason it includes swords is because all of that derived from samurais, jiujitsu/judo was used for when there were no swords left
OffspringFTW65 1 year ago
@OffspringFTW65 "the reason it includes swords is because all of that derived from samurais"
This is more of a myth than reality. There were hundreds of Jujutsu styles in Japan before Judo was invented. Some of them had nothing to do with grappling. There was actually no common thread between any of them. They took a little bit from a lot of Jujutsu styles and pieced together what worked, but what really made Judo stand out was that they were spending a lot more time sparring.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
Actually they have a ancient Japanese painting of Samurai doing things like Judo style takedowns, and rear naked chokes, armbars etc. There is not "myth" about it, Samurai have been killing eachother via chokes and armbars, knee bars etc for alittle over 500 years. You should learn about it, and the Samurai arn't the only ones either, Europeans implied the same theorys to fight armored Knights, you gonna box a Knight/Samurai? LOL No, but you can throw them on the ground and bend their arm wrong
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
Actually Japanese Jujitsu is alot like BJJ... jujitsu is the grappling system used by the Samurai to kill armored people whithout using a weapon. You cannot punch someone in armor and a sword, but you can close the distance taking away the use of that weapon, and throw them onto the ground and defeat them using chokes or locks by leverage and technique. The EXACT theory used by BJJ fighters today in MMA. Japanese people have been doing triangles and armbars for a thousand years BJJ is not new.
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
@GuamKomudo No, the samurai used a style called Jujutsu and it was father to Judo. A JUDO practicioner by the name of Mitsuyo Maeda (also know as Conde Koma) went to Brazil and developed what is now known as Brazilian JJ. So baby Judo (bjj) actually has fundamentals from Jujutsu and Judo. At this point Judo has been transformed and changed to a sport much like JJ has. Only difference is Judo stresses the importance of finishing a fight fast much more. In JJ you sit in each others legs forever.
SlugDropsonheads 11 months ago
While they are not exactally the same, they are still extremely similar and many of their techniques over lap and are the same. In real life, if you Judo slam someone on the sidewalk, that's the end LOL You don't need to finish, they could even not be getting back up... Ever... =P
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
@GuamKomudo Lol yeah
SlugDropsonheads 11 months ago
@GuamKomudo There are also Greek and Roman pottery paintings which show pankratists using triangles and other submissions. Doesn't mean they were anything like BJJ masters of today, although I'd believe the pankratists were a bit closer to submission mastery than the samurai were.
"Japanese people have been doing triangles and armbars for a thousand years"
Well no, they haven't. And BJJ is new. We know that until Kosen Judo evolved, JJJ pretty much sucked by today's standards.
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
NOOOO LOL Japanese Jujitsu was PERFECT for the what it was used for. JJJ was a war born art, I would challenge any BJJ master to fight a fully armored Samurai... JJJ was used for IF you end up on the ground, let's put the senereos against eachother. The last place you wanna be sitting in guard for 15 minutes is on a battle field with armed warriors, horseback archers,people fighting all over the place kicking up dirt etc. JJJ was get the takedown and stab them with your dagger...BJJ is good MMA
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
"NOOOO LOL Japanese Jujitsu was PERFECT for the what it was used for. JJJ was a war born art"
This is more of a creation myth than reality.
"I would challenge any BJJ master to fight a fully armored Samurai"
Yeah this makes a lot of sense. And I challenge you to fight a real life Spartan fully armored who knew pankration.
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
"JJJ was used for IF you end up on the ground"
Actually, JJJ was mostly stand up. There are also hundreds of JJJ styles. Some were striking only, for instance. It was basically a bunch of mixed up and non-systematized crap.
"The last place you wanna be sitting in guard for 15 minutes is on a battle field with armed warriors, horseback archers"
Good thing we no longer have roaming bands of horse archers I guess.. Though I do seem to remember something about samurai fighting one on one battles.
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
There was no stand up Jujitsu except the grappling part, you cannot punch someone in armor, you can push kick them over or something, but most strikes are not effective to a armored and armed person. Hence they made their fighting grappling based. If you slame someone onto the ground not on a mat, and in full armor, you really don't need to finish them, they're probably done, not to mention they will get stepped on etc. BJJ would not work in a Feudal war, JJJ was perfect for it's use
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
"There was no stand up Jujitsu except the grappling part, you cannot punch someone in armor, you can push kick them over or something"
Actually, there were JJJ styles that were stand up only. There were sword JJJ styles, just about anything you can think of. Most of it was pretty static and compliant type training. Not much sparring, like in Judo or BJJ, which is the primary difference imo.
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
"BJJ would not work in a Feudal war, JJJ was perfect for it's use"
Again, good thing we don't have feudal wars anymore. Though you have no proof or even a half reasonable argument for why you believe BJJ had no use in feudal warfare. BJJ works in one-on-one situations in the street and in modern warfare (it is now the fundamental hand-to-hand training of the US military, and it apparently works in war quite well).
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
You fail to understand what I'm saying to you... IT WAS PERFECT FOR IT'S USE. It worked, and well or no one would do it or even try it, and it would not exist today. If it didn't work, everyone would have noticed when they all died. what the hell do you BJJ freaks want? Oh I'll just upload my last video of a Samurai war... Losers, there's 500 year old paintings of Samurai doing rear naked chokes and Judo style throws. I wanna see your video BJJ VS fully armored Samurai. Gracie VS Samurai...
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
"You fail to understand what I'm saying to you... IT WAS PERFECT FOR IT'S USE"
I don't know or care whether it worked hundreds of years ago. The cotton gin worked well for its day too, but now we have much more efficient and effective ways of making cotton. Same with martial arts. JJJ has proven time and time again to be utter crap as a fighting style outside of feudal Japan, which is why the most popular jiu-jitsu style in Japan today is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
"there's 500 year old paintings of Samurai doing rear naked chokes and Judo style throws"
Can you point me toward these images? I'm not finding them anywhere, and doubt that they actually exist.
"I wanna see your video BJJ VS fully armored Samurai. Gracie VS Samurai"
And I want to see a JJJ practitioner fight a fully armored Spartan trained in Pankration. Preferably one who fought in the Persian or Peloponnesian Wars. Wait, that's a stupid thing to ask for. Kinda like yours.
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
@GuamKomudo Keep posting your excuses on youtube for why JJJ and Kung Fu guys suck at fighting and how you're too deadly to fight. Meanwhile us BJJ guys will keep on fighting.
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
@GuamKomudo Keep posting your excuses on youtube for why practitioners of JJJ, Kung Fu, Aikido, Wing Chun, etc. suck at fighting and how you're too deadly to fight. Meanwhile us BJJ/MMA guys will keep on actually fighting and winning.
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
I'm actually a BJJ practitioner and train at an MMA gym... You're really hard to talk to because you're either too stupid to understand what I'm saying, or you just like to turn things around so you can argue more idk... =P I love BJJ, but JJJ was good for what it was used for, and BJJ is good for what it is used for. the point was, they are created for different perposes, so stop saying BJJ is better, because they're both perfect for what they were used for, stop arguing and get over it
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
"so stop saying BJJ is better"
It is. JJJ today is total compliant BS like Aikido. I highly doubt it could have possibly helped any samurai in battle if it was trained the same way hundreds of years ago as it is today. BJJ, on the other hand, initially conquered all other martial arts in one-on-one, hand-to-hand combat. Now it's seen as an absolute must if you want to learn to fight.
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
Jujitsu and aikido arn't the same... The point of JJJ was to clinch the person, taking away the use of their weapon, then take them down, via Judo slam or sweep, then establish a dominant position and stab them with a knife, or choke or joint lock.Sounds VERY similar to the theory of BJJ... The least you could do was show some respect to the guys that figured it all out, these are the founding fathers of BJJ, you act like the Samurai were just tards that stumbled around Japan with toy swords
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
"Jujitsu and aikido arn't the same"
Their training methods usually are.
"The point of JJJ was to clinch the person, taking away the use of their weapon, then take them down, via Judo slam or sweep, then establish a dominant position and stab them with a knife, or choke or joint lock.Sounds VERY similar to the theory of BJJ"
Problem is, they don't have these techniques contained in any single JJJ style besides Judo. The idea that samurai were as competent as a Judoka is 100% myth.
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
"show some respect to the guys that figured it all out"
I give credit mostly to Kano, with a little left over for Maeda and the Gracies.
"you act like the Samurai were just tards that stumbled around Japan"
IF they trained like JJJ people today currently train, there would be no doubt that they were just a bunch of tards with swords. However, we really don't know much about how the average samurai trained in h2h combat, but it's safe to assume JJJ today is trained MUCH differently from then.
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
Stop quoting me and then trying to turn it around. You just said exactally what I've been saying the whole time. The Samurai were a respected and at their hight, they were one of the highest social classes and the most feared warriors in Japan, they didn't get to that point by being failures at life, they were legit. Besides Jujitsu was hardly their main art, and for good reason, it was just back up. Samurai own BJJ... Let's see BJJ VS Japanese Horseback archery... Or naginata...
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
"Stop quoting me and then trying to turn it around."
I'm only quoting you for convenience so you know exactly what I'm responding to.
"Let's see BJJ VS Japanese Horseback archery... Or naginata..."
That would be kinda dumb though. It's like saying "well let's see BJJ win against a guy with a gun"
Ljenkins9000 11 months ago
So you DO understand what I'm saying.Traditional martial arts beat modern ring sports due to the fact that they used weapons, armies,and no rules combat.MMA and BJJ are sports,JJJ and other Japanese fighting systems of the time involved weapons. Sport Taekwondo is no TMA... REAL TMA are Kendo, Yabusame(Horseback archery)German long sword, Shaolin Spear etc. BJJ is PERFECT for it's use,and TMA were perfect for their use in their time. Stop comparing two things that are not used for the same thing
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
"So you DO understand what I'm saying.Traditional martial arts beat modern ring sports due to the fact that they used weapons, armies,and no rules combat."
Actually, this is mostly myth. Most TMAs were not originally practiced in any way resembling how they are practiced now. Look at the Shaolin monks for example. Real fighting monks who fought in armies 100s of years ago probably spent some time actually sparring. What they do now has almost nothing to do with fighting. It's 99% performance.
colormejodi 11 months ago
@GuamKomudo Despite that, yes, a BJJ person would most likely get killed by a German longsword practitioner armed with a German longsword.
colormejodi 11 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 -- "BJJ, on the other hand, initially conquered all other martial arts in one-on-one, hand-to-hand combat."
Bullying every other mediocre standup styles maybe, but no, it never conquered judo, sambo, and catch wrestling.
gemboz 10 months ago
@gemboz In UFC 1 Royce beat Ken Shamrock (I can't remember, was he a catch wrestler or a shoot fighter?). Then UFC 2 he beat Remco Pardoel, the European Judo champion who outweighed him by like 60 lbs., and then he beat Dan Severn at UFC 4 who did Greco Roman and Sambo (who also outweighed him).
Of course this doesn't prove BJJ is the better grappling system, as it was one fight each, but it certainly proved the worth of BJJ and was the reason for the BJJ explosion in the US and elsewhere.
Ljenkins9000 10 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 Using that small outdated examples you bring everywhere is not going to legitimate that bjj conquer all MA's.
You need to do a research on 'The Gracie Hunter', or who's the best P2P fighter and what main style they're using. No, bjj NEVER conquer judo , sambo, or catch, turns out it's the other way around.
gemboz 10 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@gemboz You need to do a research on 'The Gracie Hunter'
Yes Sakuraba was a catch wrestler. Doesn't mean Royce didn't beat practitioners of those other styles in the first couple UFC tournaments, the first time any of those styles fought in a no rules setting, which was my point.
"or who's the best P2P fighter and what main style they're using"
Could be Anderson Silva, GSP or some still say BJ Penn for some reason. All BJJ guys, although GSP is an insanely good wrestler as well.
Ljenkins9000 10 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@gemboz You need to do a research on 'The Gracie Hunter'
Yes Sakuraba was a catch wrestler. Doesn't mean Royce didn't beat practitioners of those other styles in the first couple UFC tournaments, the first time any of those styles fought in a no rules setting, which was my point.
"or who's the best P2P fighter and what main style they're using"
Could be Anderson Silva, GSP or some still say BJ Penn for some reason. All BJJ guys, although GSP is an insanely good wrestler as well.
Ljenkins9000 10 months ago
@gemboz lol yeah thats why at adcc jiu jitsu fighters always win.
chris51ification 8 months ago
@SlugDropsonheads
Since the Gracies learned Japanese techniques and, did not accept much of the Judo philosophy (and they may have only been taught self-defense techniques, rather than the whole system of education and, philosophy), then what else could we call it? It came from Japan and, while is similar to Judo in some ways, is obviously different. Calling it jiu-jitsu, which is a different English spelling is actually a sign of respect to it's origins.
MrPotatoesLatkie 8 months ago
@chupown Those are simply names, there is practically no difference between the 2.
SunDownPoint 1 year ago
@SunDownPoint
not true at all.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS Pleasem tell me the difference then, because I doubt you have more relevant information than where I get it from.
SunDownPoint 1 year ago
Thanks to Royce all mma fighters cross train in other martial arts to to win. In the early UFC it was fighting style against fighting style with no weight class, or time limit. It is etched in history who the winner of the early UFC, 8 man elimination tournaments was. And you don't see anyone fighting 3 times in one night anymore. People can talk shit, but Royce was a great fighter and the Gracie family rules.
luvit579 2 years ago
WHAT what 5 styles i didnt see 1 hes an embarassment he didnt even have his guard up better yet challange my sifu were down in Texas and youll both leave chopped and screwed up I PROMISE
monkdots 2 years ago
shut the fuck up u know zilch.
Calsonic66 2 years ago
Calm, cool and collected.
Like an anaconda toying with it's prey.
At least Jason will always be a part of UFC history.
MindBat 2 years ago
And Hoyce is UFC history.
hazard2000 2 years ago
This Kung-Fu guy mastered the five animal styles Kung-Fu and is a great fighter...but he's useless while facing Gracie's deadly techniques.
Raonisk 2 years ago 2
kung fu?? lol yeah ok dat dude knows nothing bout kung fu
yerovi86 2 years ago
You can try to defend the shitty uneffective martial art know as kungfu if you want but everyone knows BJJ and Muay Thai own it.
hazard2000 2 years ago
lol ok keep bileaving dat boy upload a video and prove it!
yerovi86 2 years ago
Is kungfu used in the UFC? MMA? Nope so therefore its useless
hazard2000 2 years ago
kung fu is based on striking anypart of the body ufc nor mma allow hits to the groin, eyes poking, hands locks etc so u think dat if ur fighting again some1 on the streets ur gonna wait there for a headlock? or better yet his buddies are just gonna stay there a watch? and a remind u dat i never said dat bjj was useless is a good martial art and so is kung fu so get ur shit right boy
yerovi86 2 years ago
So its basicily for men who like to touch others balls? and ive never been poked in the eyes in a fight before nor have I seen any proof that kungfu is effective in MMA so shut the fuck up and go suck a dick.
hazard2000 2 years ago
well then go to a kung fu school challenge their sifu upload the video if u have the balls n prove ur point lil boy. come on i wanna c how u prove ur point!
yerovi86 2 years ago
how old ru boy? 13? u need to go and suck ur daddys sack or better yet challenge a sifu like that dude said and let us see how u get fucked up!lol there is no best martial art, there is best martial artist but u dont understand dat cuz its 2 much for ur lil brain
yerovi86 2 years ago
if you watch the early gracie videos a lot of the kung fu guys were trying to get to the eyes, and desperatly attack the groin and so on. They were anything goes matches. It doesnt change much. the entire gang fighting thing is more of an excuse than anything. ive been in a lot of street fights and not one of them was I gang jumped. its always one on one.
Johnf85 2 years ago
i first wanna thank u for not usin bad language u got my respect. BUT at 2:34 look at the "kung fu" fighter flexibility come on! he is clearly not a kung fu fighter
yerovi86 2 years ago
Your dumb. Kung Fu fighters are very flexible!
LucasPicturesUK 2 years ago
wtf? i no they are bitch cuz i am one
yerovi86 2 years ago
I second that, those guys can kick high! My TKD & Karate guys are just as flexiable as my BJJ ass. LOL
pchancey007 2 years ago 3
ARE YOU SHITTING ME? this is jason delucia one of the best kung fu fighters in the world and he even fought in mma agaisnt Hoyce after this fight and lost again
hazard2000 2 years ago
this is jason delucia one of the best kung fu fighters in the world.
and they fought again and he lost again.
joaojcjoao 1 year ago
@joaojcjoao look at the kung fu guy's gar. come on! my shifu says DONT EVER have ur DAT low unless u no dat ur faster than ur opponent. Stop at 0:20 hes fixing his shorts wtf? who does he think he is bruce lee? and his stand? his feet are lined up no wonder he lost. he might be a "champ" but like many others, he doesnt have good basis
yerovi86 1 year ago
dude, i wont say things that i dont know, i dont understand kung fu, but he was an awesome fighter, he has a good record, and he was a kung fu fighter
joaojcjoao 1 year ago
@joaojcjoao well im talking from a kung fu fighter's perspective HE SUCKS!
yerovi86 1 year ago
i dont think he sucks, i just think he was overwhelmed by bjj, a style hes not used to defending against
renzokata 1 year ago
you have no idea what your talking about he is by far the best kungfu fighter you've seen, he was very popular in early MMA and would probably even give a very well known kungfu fighter like cung lee a good fight
hazard2000 1 year ago
@joaojcjoao also i just watched some videos of this jason delucia and boy he sucks he gets his ass whoop in every video lol..
yerovi86 1 year ago
his mma record is 33-21-1, so he prob won a couple matches, but lost a lot too lol
joaojcjoao 1 year ago
if he fought any kungfu fighter he probably would have won, theres a reason why people dont use kungfu in MMA if your shit talking this kung fu fighter then you might aswell be claiming the whole art is garbage because he is for sure one of the top 5 kungfu fighters to ever fight MMA, probably in the top 2 just under cung lee
hazard2000 1 year ago
your retarded, you call mma bullshit but you constantly dish out money for someone to teach you a bs art like kungfu where all you learn is forms? MMA is way better for self defence, you can learn more in MMA in 2 years then 5 or 6 in kungfu, MMA is much more practicle because its been modifed to be effective, not like kungfu that used to be effective when people had 8 hours a day to train, but since most people train 2-6