Respond to this video... Hitchens is right! There are actually christains in this country who want to replace to constitution with the bible. I've heard them say it ! We must never let this happen !
@420gma yep, until they are told to give away their belongings or any of the other things they would disagree with since most dont seem to believe half what they say
I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
He says that secularists do not descarate people's belifs and that he/they leave that to the religious to do. Yet. one need only look at the chat boards here to see people who do not believe in God, profaning and ridiculing other people's beliefs. This becomes much truer if one looks on other chat boards on YouTube.
@ScottWaltA Well, you may be right, though you have to admit that most religious people (when I say that I mean the people who tend more towards the extreme side rather than the conservative) make for very easy targets~ ?
i always use the term "abrahamic religions" cos they are all the same seed made against each other so they can't do anything but fight
their representatives - rabbis mullas and clergies all wear black robes - of death - the executioner wears a black robe so why are they and judges and graduates from pseudo universities wearing that black robe with a black square on their head
the black square also in mecca and on the jews teffilin and priests collar
@d0r0s Please have some respect for others. I have ADD as well as my child neihter of us had anything to do with Narcotics but more to do with genetic traits that were passed on. I take offense to your remark and would kindly ask for apology of your largely uneducated general statement?
@zornlove Morality is an evolutionary adaptation of social species. Other social animals practice moral behavior. They don't kill their own kind, they protect the pack/flock/herd, they don't steal from each other.....morality isn't a strictly human ideal and therefore is demonstrably not dictated by a deity.
Excellent. In hundreds of years time people will look back and wonder how we could have been so gullible and superstitious, and Hitchens - amongst others - will be seen of as ahead of his time.
I agree. In fact the idea of Marxist socialism ("From each according to his ability: To each according to his need") is something that was encouraged in the New Testament and was practiced in the early Church immediately after Pentecost. See the Book of Acts. Chapters 1-6
It's interesting that Hitchens argues from the Neo-Darwinian perspective. However if humans are merely the product of a blind materialist process that did not have them in mind than terms like "moral", "good person", and categories of good and evil are meaningless. Only behavior that assures the survival of the fittest of the species is "good". Hitchen's arguments are based on assumptions that come from the worldview he is trying to refute.
Hitchens creates a straw man "religion" and attacks it. Just because people do evil in the name of religion does not prove that there is not a true faith that human beings ought to believe and practice
"a true faith that human beings ought to believe and practice"...
Why do we have to "believe" while we can "know"? Why do we have to "believe" that murder is wrong "because the Bible says so" while we can "know" that murder is wrong "because a physical death is mostly irreversible"? Why do we have to "believe" that the earth is 6k yrs old while we can "know" it is unlikely so?
A part of his argument is the NUMBER of "one true religions" there are to choose from. Since they all can't be right, the odds that ANY of them came from God (or that there even IS a God) are pretty remote. Not just Jehovah - think of Zeus, Odin, Jupiter and Ra.
We have better tools to explain why things are the way they are. Ignoring it all in the name of some fatuous creator is deplorable.
Hi miradansa your questions raise another question: If people know that murder is wrong, why do they still commit murder. (The same can be asked of any of the Ten Commandments.)Why do people who consider themselves good, and who other people consider to be good, too often do things that they "know" to be wrong. Why did some societies, even until fairly recent times, practice cannibalism? Why did they not "know" this was wrong? And you don't have to believe the earth is 6000 years old.
There are two possibilities: Either God exists or God is the creation of man. If God is the creation of man than religion is simply man's idea and all the evil that is attributed to religion can rightly be attributed to man who created religion. However since atheists are also guilty of doing great evil the problem is not that man has created religion but that humans-whether religionists or atheists-do evil.
However if there is a God who is the source of all that is created, the question becomes: Has this God revealed the significance of humans in the plan of creation-if there is a plan-and has this God revealed himself so that human beings can know and understand (as much as it is possible for the finite to know and understand the infinite) God's Nature and will?
i believe you are correct in the statement that just because people commit evil in the name of religion that does not negate the possability of a true religion of god's will. but if that be the case then i would ask you, are we being dealt a fair deck of cards here? who's to say this true faith isn't some ancient religion of a lost tribe of jungle dwellers? without evidence you can't rule it out, right?
Mr. Hitchens is brilliant man, whose no holds barred honesty is like a breath of fresh air, and whose sardonic wit fills me with glee. The background music/noise, however, in this recording, is irritating and distracting, making it nearly impossible to enjoy the talk. Is there another version of this 1-5 without that noise?
Superb. Hitchens is spot on towards the end: most Americans don't realise how lucky they are to have such a well framed constitution. And I'm saying that as a Brit, where the thought police are cracking down on criticism of religious ideology in a really disturbing way.
But it is interesting how despite that seperation of church and state, the US is more fervently religious than us. You may not have to pay for theology through tax in the US, but the idea of living in the bible belt doesn't appeal to me either. I do believe in a seperation of church and state though.
lol why does it matter? seriously, why do you care unless you brainlessly obsess about the music rather than the word which you are obviously doing. s h i t h e a d
organic life, a rare thing in the universe, has come to a great head here on earth: we have entered the first stages of our infancy as a race and face extinction at every turn.
monkeys with lasers in one hand and a bible in the other, flailing and exacting our genetic paradigm, on a tiny blue dot in a vast, chaotic ocean.
the doctrine of separation of church and state is a provision against the internecine strife which is the ultimate and Only result of the dedication of an individual or entity, in their most vital aspects and intentions, to the precepts of a metaphysical system which seeks to explain the universe by arrogantly asserting moral perspectives.
voxesencial, you're right....no really you're not. they were afterall factions based on religion that were killing eachother due to religious differences. (muslims vs xtians) ie 'My god is better than your GOD'
I am surprised-considering that you live in the US- of your claiming such knowledge on the balkans. so first learn about the regions history- the 1st, the second ww, the balkan wars etc.- and then learn about the history of the most recent conflict, especially the one in bosnia- where there were areas in which croats and serbs were united against the muslims, other areas where muslims and croats were allied against the serbs, etc. after that, then you can try to rebuke me
hitchens is such an excellent speaker. so ready to take the podium. very impressive. i admire his skills they way one would admire the athleticism of micheal jordan or bruce lee. spot on!
I love Hitch. But he keeps making this case about America being lucky to have a constitution that seperates Church and State. He quotes the UK as having a joint head of state and church. This is to miss the massive point that religion still plays no part in UK politics but plays a huge part in US politics.
It is true. I am aware they have bishops in the House of Lords. Where is the representation in the Commons???????? My point however is that it plays no part in UK politics. And it doesn't. A few Bishops in the revising chamber have little to no influence. If you disagree show me an example of where the position of the Established Church enabled it to steer legislation or even change opinion. In real terms it has no effect. In the US, religion is massively important in politics.
Sorry, they are members only in the house of lords. But they do have 24 permanent seats! They have'nt stopped legislation yet,I don't think. But in theory they could. They made a lot of noise and wasted a lot of time over gay adoptions recently and threatened to excommunicate other members of the house who didn't vote with them!
The house of Lords is only a revising chamber and 24 seats is close to fuck all. They wasted no time over the gay adoption issue, just made noise. I woul;d say however I agreed with them on this point. Who cares if the 2% of adoption cases that are run by Catholics are unavailible to gays? They only get the 98% remaining to chose from. However, do you see my point, religion really plays no part in UK politics even though there is no seperation?
I just found out that the Archbishop of Canterbury cast a crucial vote against supercasinos. So they can/do have an effect. You say 24 seats is fuck all.....but it can make all the difference.
But no House of Lords vote can really be 'crucial' is my point. Also, why was it the Archbishops that was crucial and not all the other non-reverends that voted? Also it is only the part of religion if they are casting these votes under religious conviction.
The archbishop had to vote to make sure the bill would not pass. It was enough by just 3 votes. So it was crucial and it left Manchester with no supercasino. You can be sure religion had a part....I doubt a single bishop voted in favor of the bill.
I hate religion yet have no trouble with CofE and actually have no troub;e with them in the Lords. The represent a conservation of decency that professional politicians will never understand. In fact I much rather heriditary peers to some fucking oily cretin that slipped NL a million pounds. At least they are immoveable enough to be honest and never had to climb a greasy pole to get there.
I agree the hereditary peers do have that advantage, but lets keep religion out of it. If these CofE bishops are such great people then they can get into the lords legitimately.
"You mean you LIKE the thought that you've been created especially to worship your creator, and after you die you'll honor it throughout eternity? That's your purpose in existence--to be a cosmic cheering squad for a deity so vain and insecure that it needs constant reassurance that it's supreme? No thank you!"...Aviva
Respond to this video... Hitchens is right! There are actually christains in this country who want to replace to constitution with the bible. I've heard them say it ! We must never let this happen !
420gma 5 months ago
@420gma yep, until they are told to give away their belongings or any of the other things they would disagree with since most dont seem to believe half what they say
wearestarstuffsagan 5 months ago
ty for uploading..cheers
chinahands100 8 months ago
america has separation between church and state, yet american christians are the dumbest nuts in the world.
JohnF30Music 9 months ago
@JohnF30Music be happy then that the church and state ARE separate then ~ lol =)
Nazarus8 8 months ago
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Earroten 6 months ago
What is the name of the track in the background?
alconaftika 9 months ago
@alconaftika
dont encourage it! :D
ShatPhat 9 months ago
@ShatPhat It's cool, i got it! The track is called "A cosmic error", it was featured in a documentary "The god who wasn't there". I recommend
alconaftika 9 months ago
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I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
shieldsff 9 months ago
@d0r0s As a burnt-out druggie with ADD, I can tell you the music done nothing for me...
DrSpooglemon 10 months ago
He says that secularists do not descarate people's belifs and that he/they leave that to the religious to do. Yet. one need only look at the chat boards here to see people who do not believe in God, profaning and ridiculing other people's beliefs. This becomes much truer if one looks on other chat boards on YouTube.
ScottWaltA 11 months ago
@ScottWaltA Well, you may be right, though you have to admit that most religious people (when I say that I mean the people who tend more towards the extreme side rather than the conservative) make for very easy targets~ ?
Nazarus8 8 months ago
@ScottWaltA also, you have to remember that we are using words, ideas. Not bombs as was his example~
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HighPoweredLasers 11 months ago
Nah France has official separation government/religion aswell.
FlashAstronomy 11 months ago
3:25- "Everybody gets their TURN AT BAT". For some reason his delivery of this line made me laugh so hard. Its so simple and true.
shortfuse41 11 months ago
musics farout man
Justen1980 1 year ago
i always use the term "abrahamic religions" cos they are all the same seed made against each other so they can't do anything but fight
their representatives - rabbis mullas and clergies all wear black robes - of death - the executioner wears a black robe so why are they and judges and graduates from pseudo universities wearing that black robe with a black square on their head
the black square also in mecca and on the jews teffilin and priests collar
its a sacrificial cult - its so ugly
timewilltell7 1 year ago
@Earrot I wonder if he ever gave up?
accent77 1 year ago
"Abrahamic Religion"....... I like that term.
tjrxk7 1 year ago
RELIGION = PERMANENT PURVEYORS OF UTTER PIFFLE
evidenceonly 1 year ago
@d0r0s Please have some respect for others. I have ADD as well as my child neihter of us had anything to do with Narcotics but more to do with genetic traits that were passed on. I take offense to your remark and would kindly ask for apology of your largely uneducated general statement?
AcaiAdvantage 1 year ago
@zornlove Morality is an evolutionary adaptation of social species. Other social animals practice moral behavior. They don't kill their own kind, they protect the pack/flock/herd, they don't steal from each other.....morality isn't a strictly human ideal and therefore is demonstrably not dictated by a deity.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
The music is a bit twatish, but NOTHING can distract from the brilliance of Hitch when he's slinging religion around by it's ears.
The man is beyond brilliant.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@d0r0s hahahaha
flumberg 1 year ago
MUSICCCC!!!! ;(
megafang 4 years ago
Excellent. In hundreds of years time people will look back and wonder how we could have been so gullible and superstitious, and Hitchens - amongst others - will be seen of as ahead of his time.
Iambecome 4 years ago
necrocracy...... love it ;)
linuxpenguin73 4 years ago
awesome!
jscience 4 years ago
The background music was a bit distracting.
Otherwise good video. This Hitchens guy is very sharp.
jamesecash 4 years ago 6
Please do.
514stop 4 years ago
I agree. In fact the idea of Marxist socialism ("From each according to his ability: To each according to his need") is something that was encouraged in the New Testament and was practiced in the early Church immediately after Pentecost. See the Book of Acts. Chapters 1-6
514stop 4 years ago
the noise in the background is a bit distracting
:s otherwise great
garyweber07 4 years ago 3
It's interesting that Hitchens argues from the Neo-Darwinian perspective. However if humans are merely the product of a blind materialist process that did not have them in mind than terms like "moral", "good person", and categories of good and evil are meaningless. Only behavior that assures the survival of the fittest of the species is "good". Hitchen's arguments are based on assumptions that come from the worldview he is trying to refute.
514stop 4 years ago
Hitchens creates a straw man "religion" and attacks it. Just because people do evil in the name of religion does not prove that there is not a true faith that human beings ought to believe and practice
514stop 4 years ago
"a true faith that human beings ought to believe and practice"...
Why do we have to "believe" while we can "know"? Why do we have to "believe" that murder is wrong "because the Bible says so" while we can "know" that murder is wrong "because a physical death is mostly irreversible"? Why do we have to "believe" that the earth is 6k yrs old while we can "know" it is unlikely so?
mirandansa 4 years ago
A part of his argument is the NUMBER of "one true religions" there are to choose from. Since they all can't be right, the odds that ANY of them came from God (or that there even IS a God) are pretty remote. Not just Jehovah - think of Zeus, Odin, Jupiter and Ra.
We have better tools to explain why things are the way they are. Ignoring it all in the name of some fatuous creator is deplorable.
Songblade001 4 years ago 3
Hi miradansa your questions raise another question: If people know that murder is wrong, why do they still commit murder. (The same can be asked of any of the Ten Commandments.)Why do people who consider themselves good, and who other people consider to be good, too often do things that they "know" to be wrong. Why did some societies, even until fairly recent times, practice cannibalism? Why did they not "know" this was wrong? And you don't have to believe the earth is 6000 years old.
514stop 4 years ago
There are two possibilities: Either God exists or God is the creation of man. If God is the creation of man than religion is simply man's idea and all the evil that is attributed to religion can rightly be attributed to man who created religion. However since atheists are also guilty of doing great evil the problem is not that man has created religion but that humans-whether religionists or atheists-do evil.
514stop 4 years ago
However if there is a God who is the source of all that is created, the question becomes: Has this God revealed the significance of humans in the plan of creation-if there is a plan-and has this God revealed himself so that human beings can know and understand (as much as it is possible for the finite to know and understand the infinite) God's Nature and will?
514stop 4 years ago
i believe you are correct in the statement that just because people commit evil in the name of religion that does not negate the possability of a true religion of god's will. but if that be the case then i would ask you, are we being dealt a fair deck of cards here? who's to say this true faith isn't some ancient religion of a lost tribe of jungle dwellers? without evidence you can't rule it out, right?
TextAndViolence 4 years ago
Mr. Hitchens is brilliant man, whose no holds barred honesty is like a breath of fresh air, and whose sardonic wit fills me with glee. The background music/noise, however, in this recording, is irritating and distracting, making it nearly impossible to enjoy the talk. Is there another version of this 1-5 without that noise?
AYNRAND2 4 years ago
i was here.
xxxild 4 years ago
Whats with this retarded music. You ruined it. Numbnuts.
TheStig000 4 years ago
yeah really
AllUrUtubeRbelong2me 4 years ago
That music is crap, takes my attention off what he is talking about.
AndersonReel 4 years ago
If you go to the final part(Q & A) there is a link to the complete debate without my meddling :)
xJediHowieX 4 years ago
@xJediHowieX
I LIKE the music! :)
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@xJediHowieX
your link doesnt work for the full debate and i really want it
khinvisus 11 months ago
hitchens is a great american
robertk2007 4 years ago
I agree. I am happy that he moved here.
Elasaltaculos 4 years ago
necrocracy LOLOL
bsullivan2 4 years ago 3
LOL 5/5
xJediHowieX 4 years ago
Thanks! Hope you've learnt your lesson....heh heh!
markjeppo 4 years ago
and your religion is?
hamudidoodi 4 years ago
Would love to see the rest of this without the nauseating music. Let the words speak for themselves.
markjeppo 4 years ago
I'd like hear what the other guy has to say. That is, if this is a debate. If yes, could you post it?
Regardless, great post. Hitchens is great. Gracias.
goldyvicky 4 years ago
Great speech by Hitchens, but the cartoonish inserts and the annoying music only distract from and do not enhance the main points.
grubelsucht 4 years ago
Superb. Hitchens is spot on towards the end: most Americans don't realise how lucky they are to have such a well framed constitution. And I'm saying that as a Brit, where the thought police are cracking down on criticism of religious ideology in a really disturbing way.
vivatmusica 4 years ago
But it is interesting how despite that seperation of church and state, the US is more fervently religious than us. You may not have to pay for theology through tax in the US, but the idea of living in the bible belt doesn't appeal to me either. I do believe in a seperation of church and state though.
FA8T 4 years ago
whoever felt the need to put shitty 80's-sounding muzak in this video deserves a punch in the face for bad taste.
terists 4 years ago
lol why does it matter? seriously, why do you care unless you brainlessly obsess about the music rather than the word which you are obviously doing. s h i t h e a d
skatebawd 4 years ago
organic life, a rare thing in the universe, has come to a great head here on earth: we have entered the first stages of our infancy as a race and face extinction at every turn.
monkeys with lasers in one hand and a bible in the other, flailing and exacting our genetic paradigm, on a tiny blue dot in a vast, chaotic ocean.
diogeneslaertius666 4 years ago
the doctrine of separation of church and state is a provision against the internecine strife which is the ultimate and Only result of the dedication of an individual or entity, in their most vital aspects and intentions, to the precepts of a metaphysical system which seeks to explain the universe by arrogantly asserting moral perspectives.
diogeneslaertius666 4 years ago
you can't say that wars in yugoslavia were a religious affair, thats just dead wrong. it was about nationalism and the heritage from the WWII
voxesencial 4 years ago
...yes, and exacerbated by religious differences - as is often the case.
poului 4 years ago
voxesencial, you're right....no really you're not. they were afterall factions based on religion that were killing eachother due to religious differences. (muslims vs xtians) ie 'My god is better than your GOD'
agentorange20 4 years ago
agentorange20,
I am surprised-considering that you live in the US- of your claiming such knowledge on the balkans. so first learn about the regions history- the 1st, the second ww, the balkan wars etc.- and then learn about the history of the most recent conflict, especially the one in bosnia- where there were areas in which croats and serbs were united against the muslims, other areas where muslims and croats were allied against the serbs, etc. after that, then you can try to rebuke me
voxesencial 4 years ago
hitchens is such an excellent speaker. so ready to take the podium. very impressive. i admire his skills they way one would admire the athleticism of micheal jordan or bruce lee. spot on!
fearlessgentleman 4 years ago
thanks for posting this sexy video
Pennys1 4 years ago 2
I love Hitch. But he keeps making this case about America being lucky to have a constitution that seperates Church and State. He quotes the UK as having a joint head of state and church. This is to miss the massive point that religion still plays no part in UK politics but plays a huge part in US politics.
OneBigRetard 4 years ago
Not true, The Church of England has permanent members of both houses of parliament. It's a small number but they do have influence.
xJediHowieX 4 years ago
It is true. I am aware they have bishops in the House of Lords. Where is the representation in the Commons???????? My point however is that it plays no part in UK politics. And it doesn't. A few Bishops in the revising chamber have little to no influence. If you disagree show me an example of where the position of the Established Church enabled it to steer legislation or even change opinion. In real terms it has no effect. In the US, religion is massively important in politics.
OneBigRetard 4 years ago
Sorry, they are members only in the house of lords. But they do have 24 permanent seats! They have'nt stopped legislation yet,I don't think. But in theory they could. They made a lot of noise and wasted a lot of time over gay adoptions recently and threatened to excommunicate other members of the house who didn't vote with them!
xJediHowieX 4 years ago
The house of Lords is only a revising chamber and 24 seats is close to fuck all. They wasted no time over the gay adoption issue, just made noise. I woul;d say however I agreed with them on this point. Who cares if the 2% of adoption cases that are run by Catholics are unavailible to gays? They only get the 98% remaining to chose from. However, do you see my point, religion really plays no part in UK politics even though there is no seperation?
OneBigRetard 4 years ago
I just found out that the Archbishop of Canterbury cast a crucial vote against supercasinos. So they can/do have an effect. You say 24 seats is fuck all.....but it can make all the difference.
xJediHowieX 4 years ago
But no House of Lords vote can really be 'crucial' is my point. Also, why was it the Archbishops that was crucial and not all the other non-reverends that voted? Also it is only the part of religion if they are casting these votes under religious conviction.
OneBigRetard 4 years ago
The archbishop had to vote to make sure the bill would not pass. It was enough by just 3 votes. So it was crucial and it left Manchester with no supercasino. You can be sure religion had a part....I doubt a single bishop voted in favor of the bill.
xJediHowieX 4 years ago
Plans are in effect to reduce their numbers from 24 to 12. So they are getting less influence. Still 12 seats too many if you ask me :D
xJediHowieX 4 years ago
I hate religion yet have no trouble with CofE and actually have no troub;e with them in the Lords. The represent a conservation of decency that professional politicians will never understand. In fact I much rather heriditary peers to some fucking oily cretin that slipped NL a million pounds. At least they are immoveable enough to be honest and never had to climb a greasy pole to get there.
OneBigRetard 4 years ago
I agree the hereditary peers do have that advantage, but lets keep religion out of it. If these CofE bishops are such great people then they can get into the lords legitimately.
xJediHowieX 4 years ago
I wouldn't argue. I said I didn't have a problem, I don't mind either way though.
OneBigRetard 4 years ago
"You mean you LIKE the thought that you've been created especially to worship your creator, and after you die you'll honor it throughout eternity? That's your purpose in existence--to be a cosmic cheering squad for a deity so vain and insecure that it needs constant reassurance that it's supreme? No thank you!"...Aviva
KasparHauser4 4 years ago
nice
InReasonWeTrust 4 years ago
hehehe. ;)
xJediHowieX 4 years ago
That was simply amazing. Wow. Hitchens isn't the nicest guy around.. but he has a way with words.
infidelguy 4 years ago
The music was annoying.
Svankmajer 4 years ago
I would love to see Hitchens on O'Reilly. I presume a fistfight would break out.
Gravitationalist 4 years ago
O'Reilly would be taken to school...if Hitch could get a word in..
1DeathWalkingTerror1 4 years ago
Yeah, part 3! Time to whip out the popcorn and enjoy the show.
Ujikaweapon1 4 years ago
necrocracy ^^ thats sick...
kurtilein3 4 years ago
Makes me wonder who would win in a debate between Hitchens and Dawkins?
Guess we wont find out since they seem to be on the same wavelength.
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
I personally think hitchens..
Simply because he seems to speak our langauge.. and seems to talk simplier. Ie.. he cusses here and there and also uses more humor.
thefakeyeti 4 years ago