@runekai250 GOOGLE: Singapore Dissident Gopalan Nair as he reveals truths and great insight into and about Singapore's ruthless repressive regime, and the Barbarity of its Flogging Frenzy. Torture is a violation of international laws and Singapore is internationally shamed each time a boy or man is court ordered by a corrupt criminal judge to be brutalized by paid prison perverts. It is past itme to become a civilized non violent nation and stop legalized torture and brutality.
@somuchsolittleful so i read up on this guy Gopalan. So yes, he is against Singapore acts of torture. I myself will concede that I have no idea what is going on in prison. But i do know, these so called torture that u call upon are common in every part of the world. I suppose you are referring to caning in Singapore which supposing inhumane. Let me say, it is a normal to receive punishment. Yes, it causes blood to flow out of the ass but it serves as a reminder not to go against the law
@runekai250 Carrying on.. the canning serves a warning and also as a deterrent for going against the law. However, it should be noted that not every single crime results in caning and that only major offences are considered worth caning. Furthemore, caning is common practice in the Singapore society. It has been around since they were kindergarden to junior colleges.
You may find it barbaric and call us uncivilised. But thats the way cultures are. Different countries-- different culture
@runekai250 furthermore, going on with the death sentence. Death sentence is not unique in Singapore. To note, many countries have Death Sentences. Also if you are unaware, statically speaking its more expensive to send someone to the gallows than keep them for life imprisonment. Yes, i know the US has recently stopped it but it still doesn't change the fact for the need of Capital Punishment. Its only in the extreme cases whereby death sentence occurs (mainly in Murder and Drugs)
@runekai250 Adding on.. to saying we are controlled. I agree we are a police state. However, i would tell you. The police abuses occured as a result in the past to forcefully get rid of Communism in Singapore (racial riots). That was Singapore's turbulent moments as a nation. However, as of today, there aint police abuses. Our society is slowly moving away from a police state. Though America police are much more abusive than the Singapore ones (freedom right?).
@runekai250 There much flaws in the Singapore state. But let me tell you, every nation has equally or more flaws than Singapore. Its no use comparing which countries sucks. America -- screwed up political system whereby Republicans against Democrats. China--- no regards for human rights (your other asian destinations right?). EU-- in a total debt crisis.
The list is endless... have fun :D be glad to talk to you again.
@runekai250 Untill changes are made or the government is abolished Singapore's international reputation continues to suffer. It is still that of the bizarre little place in Asia and still known as 'Disneyland with the deaath penalty.' It doesn't have to be this way. When there is no respect for the rights of human beings, when people have been stripped of their liberty and freedom by a tyrannical government, there can be no respect for those that rule them; only contempt.
@runekai250 I am sick of Singaporeans trying to compare one city of thousands to billions in a place the size of America. Don't get me started on the US for I have a lot to say on their videos as well. Singapore remains a police state as it currently is with no freedom of speech, no free press, no right of assembly, no jury trials, government propaganda and censorship, and the draconian and archaic laws, as well as the barbaric penaltys. It is time to become a free civilized nation.
@runekai250 Singapore's Legalized brutality is condemned by all global human rights groups as crimes against humanity. It is against all UN conventions on torture and all international practices and norms agreed upon as illegal by the majority of UN member nations and first world civilized countries on this earth. These acts are violent barbaric physical assaults against human beings and twisted justice. It is time to stop violence and hold those accountable for their inhuman deeds
@runekai250 Capital punishment is not "unique" but in Singapore executions are mandatory without mitigating circumstances for even Non-violent offences-- not only for murder. Sentencing even teenagers to death for possessing a quantitiy of drugs, is grissly outrageous and barbaric. Persecuted author,journalist, and hero Alan Shadrake helped shed light on the horrific blight of Singapore. Trying to justify extinguishing human life because it's too costly to imprison is --sub-human.
@runekai250 Flogging in Singapore serves as nothing except the discriminatory unjust, uncivilized, violent acts of males that it is. Even trivial offences (immigration, vandalism, white collar crimes etc ) result in court ordered cruelty. Yes this is sickeningly "commonplace." Boys are brutalzed throughout school and violence is judicially legalized by a barbaric government. Rather than culture, it is all part of an outdated tradition of sadistic cult-like violence and extremism
@runekai250 I know that most citizens, like you, "don't have (any) no idea what is going on in prison." Outside of prison, most have turned away from this shameful and extreme physical violence that is allowed. The majority of the civilized world knows this as Torture, and there are only a few third world places on earth where this judicial barbarity is allowed. Singaporeans are brainwashed to believing uncivilized brutal violence is somehow "normal." Nothing is "normal" about this.
somuchsolittleful and butterflye2020 is the same person. trust me his everywhere. ur hateful comment not gunna bring singapore down. please fool seriously im laughing to ever comment you post. please grow up :) keep protesting cos u will never win :) dumb internet troll
@VanNelleish Lol,, you left out Mrseekerof justice ha ha ha and others that you think I am. Face it, you cannot stand criticism, but that is too bad. You just keep on laughing and I will keep posting the truth because the message is clear: Singapore is a barbaric uncivilized police state, and one only has to travel outside singapore to know and understand what the rest of the world knows.
@somuchsolittleful C i knw it ur the same TROLL who keeps on replyin on the same date n time lmfao!!! sad fellow u must b lonely at home and prolly u don't have job well i guess u have not that kind of good job mostly u eat shit thats why u got this stupid and funny comment :D HAHAHAHAHA singapore is barbaric are u one of those prisoner in singapore committing crime before? lmfao i think u are!! hahaha sad guy most govt from different part of the country agrees and support what our govt did :)
@VanNelleish Uh,,,,,Right,,,,,,, Whatever you say,,,,,
Now, I will continue posting:
Singapore is nothing close to Asia's Disneyland, lol, if you are from a free democratic country you would know this to be true. Singapore is not signatory to the United Nations conventions on torture--for a reason----it's uncivilized savage junta violates international law. The message is clear and all human rights defenders including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch help expose these Barbarians.
Read Human Rights reports regarding Barbaric Torture Floggings in Singapore and the vicious mandatory death penalty. Read the book 'Disneyland with the death Penalty' for an enlightening view of Singapore. Google Gopalan Nair 'Singapore Dissident' for the truth about Singapore. And Read Alan Shadrake International best seller 'Once a Jolly Hangman' and things become quite clear that Singapore is anything but Asia's Disneyland.
@somuchsolittleful your retarded. you have the IQ of a 5 year old maybe less. If you dont act like a barbarian you wont be treated like one!!!. A fucking child can understand that.
@ApprenticeOfAnubis The many many men that have been sentenced to being brutally beaten for IMMIGRATION offenses and other minor infractions by criminal singaporean judges in no way acted like barbarians. Rather it is Barbaric and inhumane for any civilized government to allow physically assaulting human beings. Please educate yourself about the cruelty of this one party state.
@somuchsolittleful ha. somone needs to be the law. If we go by your logic some maniac who goes killing kids at a preschool should be let free and do it some more. also putting people in jail is not punishment they get free food and a bed. they get treated better than some poor peasant. execution is the right thing to do. to many dumb people have gone soft today. wich is the main reason the human population is so high. mainly because dumb people get to live.
@ApprenticeOfAnubis Of course there needs to be laws--CIVILIZED laws- not laws made by barbaric savages that promote and condone physical violence, especially for minor infractions, and mandatory death sentences for such things as drug possession. Laws should be enforced equally without regard to gender and nobody said that jail is the only punishment option. Who said anything about being soft on crime? Not me. Singaporeans don't worry about overpopulation lol-look at its record LOW birth rate.
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Fantastic ! Singaporeans are a very closely-knitted lot - the reason why this country has powered on tremendously. What with the YOG shown worldwide, and we get to watch it overseas! . .then the F1 nite race wowed the world with 500 million people around the globe soaking in the atmosphere!! And I'll say this over and over again..Singapore was a picture postcard in perfection. What a place! My country too!
Incredibly misleading title. How Dare anyone support any authority or government that violates the basic social foundation of civilised society-Human Rights. The mob of millionaires running Singapore have been allowed to do just as they please ruling by brute force with Torture and Hangings. Instead of protecting citizens from physical force-they initiate it with mandatory beatings. The criminals of singapore are responsible for atrocities. How sad singapore has become--the city without a soul.
When I say punishment should be viewed with the purpose to reform bad behaviour, not to give bad consequences for bad behaviour, we should understand that everyone is different and that the level of punishment required to reform a person will be different as well. For the same crime perhaps, one may be reformed with light punishment but that may be insufficient for another and require harsher one to reform. The law is in place to ensure order. If it failed to reform behaviour, it failed.
@JohnfromPerth When people want the idealism of the so-called 'human rights' (which I feel is just depriving others of their rights) but cannot get it in a socially desirable way, they may resort to what is undesirable such as protest, burning of cars etc which is itself a 'crime'. This is a problem when everyone wants things their way and unwilling to compromise. Punishment should be viewed with purpose of reforming behaviour, not to give bad consequences to bad behaviour while failed to reform
@JohnfromPerth Hi John, the reason for crime is not simply an issue of law as well. There are many social factors. Sociologists do study American culture and what is called the 'American Dream' suggest that it may influence crime as well. When people are induced that wealth is their goal in life but the socially acceptable way to get it is not available to all, some will use unacceptable ways (i.e. crime) to reach that dream. Its not surprising the 'human rights' may lead to crime as well.
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Get this... tropical climate..summer all thru...streets are clean of whateva n we walk late into the nite not worrying..glorious food for every whim n fancy prompt efficient services everywhere, n if you're not in they leave u a card telling u tht they came but to fix anorther appt w them again!! HOw cool is that ! People speak English so it's never a prob.
The savage Singapore government cannot stifle all artistic expression by sentencing a male graffiti artist to being jailed and beaten. There are women also that are graffiti artists that should express their art on public property and they need NOT fear any Beating. If caught they would receive jail and fines, but they cannot be sentenced to FLOGGING. The judicial system is sexist and discriminates against males with regard to gender violence.
The state controlled newspaper reported august 11 an immigration overstayer was caught and sentenced to jail AND BEATING because he is a male of 4 lashes. This torture is absolutely outrageous abuse, and it is so frequent that it is an epidemic in this police state. Where else in the civilised world would an immigrant be FLOGGED like this? Malaysia maybe. And, Singapore is the ONLY country in the world to mandate flogging in its military. Real sickness here.
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Lol!! This butterflye2020 is everywhere in youtube especially when it is about Singapore. I wont be surprise if this person has other ghost account or is part of "wendyneo's contingent". Sekali, this person was from Singapore and had to resort to youtube to express the so call human rights. Please lah, go relax one corner.
@OrangUtanMileynum Yes I and others have joined to campaign against Human Rights abuses in Singapore. Some are part of Amnesty Interantional and Human Rights Watch. Our message is the same to try to expose government brutality and inhuman cruelty. I was accused of being someone else on another singapore video. Thank you for mentioning wendyneo. Are you a GHOST??
Lets watch the unjust Singapore government as the new drama unfolds involving the British author that was arrested for writing his book on the death penalty in Singapore. What other country would arrest an author for their work? Perhaps Iran, or maybe North Korea - but Singapore? Yes in Singapore. The whole world will be watching and the international media is necessary to expose this government. I agree if they could get away with Flogging him they would surely do it
Just another example of the sexist and discriminatory judicial system in Singapore is that the law also criminalizes sex between men - and only men. But does not do so with sex between women. Again, the laws punish by gender and the system is not balanced, it is biased against men and this is greatly detrimental to social order.
"There are security implications for this, that somebody was able to penetrate a depot unnoticed and then commit damage,"
The depot is a highly protected place and anyone knows that. He went there at 3am cut the fences and went in unnoticed. What will happen if he plants a time bomb and set it to explode when it goes under the financial district in the crowded subway station.
Singapore law act as a deterrent. if you want to mess around, you better get lost.
Can't believe disneyland or Universal studios would ever be in this barbaric place. USA greed-how pathetic is this. Singapore with its draconian laws and beatings of their citizens is NOT disneyland. Maybe some horror movie or Nightmare.
Do not support Singapore because of what they do to their own citizens and foreigners like Oliver Fricker. I would encourage everyone to spend their money
elsewhere like Hong Kong, Japan, Tawain or even S. Korea but--
The best experience is trying the yummy foods of different cultures...There's Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Malay, French, Japanese, Korean, Indian, Italian, Indonesian.....the choices are endless. Tourists keep coming and that's evidently good for Singapore's image as a global city-state.
MY Singapore...I love everything about it! Our different nationalities living peacefully together..and eating the different types of food from different culture. A stable economy and good govt are exceptionally very important for us too.
Shame on this third world contry for its barbaric midieval practice of caning. With all the serious things happening in this world today this little demon country still has floggings to punish and control its slaves. This place is the biggest joke in the world today. Years ago when then USA president Bush announced his axis of evil he should have included Sick Singapore in it.
STAY AWAY from "Asia's Disneyland" this country is NOTHING that Disneyland stands for, and still uses brutal beatings of men as a punishment. Travelers should not come to this place. There are other Asian destinations that are beautiful and that do not legalize this cruelty in their laws. Last week a swiss man was sentenced by these insanely cruel laws to be brually FLOGGED.
The homoerotic and sadomasochistic caning ritual: Males are stripped Naked, and ok'd to be beaten by a "doctor", tied up to a frame as one would tie an animal, a trained and paid sadistic male guard uses a wooden whip soaked in chemicals to brutally beat the male over and over and over again, while other salivating male guards watch enjoying the entire spectacle until the victim is bleeding and scarred then untied needing medical attention or hospital. DISGUSTING ,DEGRADING ,AND DEHUMANIZING!
@butterflye2020 You are tied to a frame to fix your position cause if the cane misses and hit the wrong part, it can paralyze you. This is why the caner must be trained to prevent such. You are not being caned over and over again. It depends on the amount of cane awarded and no more of what awarded should be given. Very nice imagination of yours but it distorted what is true because you failed to understand why it is required and how it was carried out, believing in myths.
@bpwong85 Every hear of BONDAGE?? Of course during the sadistic "ceremony" of flogging the male is TIED, BOUND to an apparatus called a trestle-he cannot move is is strapped to it regardless of the reason. He IS whipped over and over possibly up to 24 lashes. THIS IS FACTUAL information. There are documented cases whereby males were injured requiring months of hospitalization to recover from wounds.Mistakes are made: Every hear of Dickson Tan Wen--YOU CANNOT COVER THIS CRAP UP!
@butterflye2020 And check your facts. Your argument against a nation that failed to abide to your idealistic world and obsessive dictating behaviour to dictate the view of a nation made you biased and distort facts. Dickson Tan Wen was awarded 5 strokes but by mistake given 8 strokes which is 3 additional strokes. 24? You might as well say it is 24,000 strokes. It may make it sound more convincing of a real torture and inhumane treatment without concern of the victim.
@bpwong85 My facts are correct! Mr Wen was given 3 extra strokes of a wooden cane whereby the government expressed regret-OUTRAGEOUS and UNFORGIVABLE, and you have said it's not much torture.". No money awarded him could compensate this barbarism. I was referring to the unjust system assigning the number of lashes to be physically meted out to the victim and that maximuim is 24. Your desparation trying to justify this violence against a human being proves your admiration of excessive cruelty.
@butterflye2020 "He IS whipped over and over possibly up to 24 lashes. THIS IS FACTUAL information" Wow... I didn't know there is a new law in mathematics where 24 = 8. Stop finding excuses covering up your nonsense and nonsensical argument. Even if not a mathematical flaw in that statement, it is a flaw in language. How can that mean "I was referring to .... maximum is 24". Oh... I forgot, you failed in understanding basic English & can twist the meaning of words.
@bpwong85 The only excuses being made here are yours. And you make yourself sound ridiculous. You of course try to twist anything when you know Singapore promotes violence. Whether the courts award 1 or 3 lashes or 24 with a wooden whip it is violence committed and absolute abuse. This violence against men, many of whom have not committed any violent act, is considered excessive cruelty and not allowed in most first world countries today and not acceptable. Truth not your jargon will be exposed
"Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person, information or a confession.....It DOES NOT include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions."
Very broad article supported by many paragraphs you quoted part of the first paragraph but articles 1-16 continue to define cruel, Inhuman or degrading TREATMENT or PUNISHMENT and of course Singapore did NOT sign this convention. It is no wonder human rights organizations like Amnesty International condemn Singapore for legalizing this brutality. So sad to have this savage violence and cruelty ingrained in this society.
@butterflye2020@butterflye2020 Ya... its a very broad article. The other articles did not continue to define 'torture'. The 1st article did. The others explain how the measures should be carried out rather than defining 'torture'. Please read in context. Yes, Singapore did not sign but such correlation does not mean Singapore is torturing hence did not sign. If correlation = causality, then when your arm grows as your IQ grows (brain as well), you can say your increased IQ is due to arm.
@bpwong85 You cannot take this article out of context just to try to justify cruelty in your little city. The entire article discusses in length torture and actions that still constitute CRUEL, INHUMAN or DEGRADING TREATMENT AND PUNISHMENT. You cannot justify the Violent actions, the barbarity or the unjust laws. Change is coming and many more Singaporeans see the wrong and injustices being comitted. Why don't you get a job as a vicious prison guard at one of the Torture prisons?
@butterflye2020 Mistakes are made sure. Its not as if any nation don't enforcing corporal punishment makes no mistakes. If on basis on some mistake, the whole system has to be abolished, humans make mistakes all the time and should be removed completely? How is it inhumane when there is a doctor to check the prisoner's condition that does not allow further punishment if he can't take it? There are measures. I'm not sadist like to torture ppl but recognize it is needed to prevent lawlessness.
@bpwong85 The "mistakes" can't be undone, the mutilation of mans body is not acceptable, what is wrong with you that you cannot understand there is no room for mistakes. You have been indoctrinated well. It is absolutely inhumane for any so called "doctor" to participate in this cruelty by giving the OK for physical assault to occur in the first place. Without the OK this sadistic act would not be commited. You do promote violence in every thing you say and I will continue to expose injustice.
@butterflye2020 So even if someone commit an act of violence such as murder, should you simply just jail him for few years? Who knows it may come a time even few years of imprisonment can be viewed as 'torture' due to extremism. Do you think we are all sadists like to have people being beaten? Its rather we are concern over the security of our nation that we do not accept the extreme view of what is considered as 'human rights' that believe in absolute freedom apart from any consequences.
@bpwong85 There is much to be said about solutions for crime and punishment, however, LKY his family and government that runs Singapore have chosen to keep cruelty and violence in their draconian laws mandating intentional physical abuse discriminating against males. The answer to your question is YES ,anyone that promotes or partakes in this cruelty of another human being in this manner definitely has sadistic and perverted tendencies. This is the disgrace of this country.
@butterflye2020 Cruel? Lets give you a simple analogy. A wife had a constant quarrel with husband. Husband loves wife very much but wife is suffering because of the behaviour of the Husband. Wife threatened to divorce. On grounds of cruelty, it is argued that if wife leaves husband, it will be too cruel to him due to his love. However, if not granting divorce, it will be too cruel to the wife. Solution? This is an analogy to tell you that your ideas are unrealistic.
@bpwong85 Your analogies are becoming more and more senseless. But what does make sense is that there are more and more Singaporeans expressing regret about the swiss mans sadistic beating. There is still hope that this cruelty in this society will not always remain as you may hope it will. Lee Kuan Yew will be dead soon and his son is not him and things will change. Until then these human rights abuses will be exposed throughout the world. This man will rise above this brutality.
@butterflye2020 They are senseless to one who doesn't use logic to analyze and failed to have sufficient IQ to understand. Get some education in Economics and Psychology, perhaps you'll understand my analogy. If majority of the Singaporeans prefer another culture, so be it. It is their rights and I respect such change if that's what SINGAPOREANS want because they have the rights to demand how their nation should be. However, outsiders are best to be quiet.
@bpwong85 You cannot use logic correctly and your examples are nonsense. You show how uneducated you truly are. I am glad many many Singaporeans do not agree with your jargon. Singapore has brought the shame upon itself for the entire world to see with its brutal sentence of Oliver Fricker. This cruelty must be exposed to the world in an effort to help stop legalized brutality where it exists. Outsiders must speak, no SHOUT loudly for the victims of Singapores violent injustice.
@butterflye2020 And get some education in Sociology as well of why there are laws and constraint over freedom (i.e. human rights) to certain degree cause you don't seem to understand that by giving more freedom and rights to another when it is mutually exclusive is in fact depriving the rights and freedom of others (i.e. criminals are given freedom at expense of freedom of others).
@bpwong85 Again you certainly show your lack of education in wanting to reward those that perpetrate human rights abuses in Singapore. The more you try to rationalize and justify injustice the deeper the hole you dig for yourself. There is no dignity nor decency either for the flogger who sadistically beats to deliberately inflict physical injury, or for the recipient of this societys cruel and inhumane laws.
@butterflye2020 You can't even rationalize and give evidence why it is 'bad'. You merely use own personal feelings without any evidences to support your claim that it is inhumane, cruel and a breach of human rights. You can't develop some views and say "it is wrong" apart from empirical evidence that it is necessary wrong. Without rationalisation, you are just digging a hole without realizing it and stuck in it.
@bpwong85 You have all the evidence you need before you. You can continue to be part of the problem in Singapore or help change it. You may pick apart each sentence, each vowel, or letter but the facts are still there, Thousands and thousands of men are discriminated against each year and subjected to violent brutal beatings of this government. This cruelty and violence is dehumanizing to this society and until this inhumane treatment is stopped I and thousands of others will help expose this
@butterflye2020 "You have all the evidence you need before you." Doesn't seem like a statement of justification of your claim. I can also say "You have all the evidence you need before you showing caning is required and not inhumane". People are caned but that is just an evidence that people are caned, not an evidence that caning is inhumane. You can't use definitions as it is not empirical fact. I can create a definition of cruelty as "verbal accusation" like you are doing and say you are cruel
@bpwong85 Great we finally agree on the evidence and the basic fact that--
PEOPLE ARE BEATEN (caned) IN SINGAPORE! Now since this is a violent physical act upon a human being, you may defend this violence over an over again as you like. On the other hand I and millions of others will continue to expose the violence Singapore imposes upon males in this country, and the horrors of it to the rest of the world. Thank you for helping with that objective perhaps in ways you could not know.
@butterflye2020 I have never disagree since the beginning that people are caned in Singapore. I just do not consider it as torture where you do consider it as so which is what I disagree on your claims that caning is 'bad' as there is no empirical evidences suggesting so but mere feeling. This show very well again that you lack the ability to understand things and distort things to say whatever you want.
@bpwong85 You may continue to twist things,use false analogies, try to justify and excuse the inexcusable.. Very typical for Bizzare Singapore. The law to beat males is discriminatory by gender discrimination. There is a very warped view of gender equality as only the male can be awarded a beating, the female does not have that option. Whatever the mitigating factors are for females should also apply to males. Singapore deserves to be SHUNNED Internationally fo this abuse.
@butterflye2020 Please understand the word 'discrimination' refers to an unjustifiable negative behaviour towards someone. If it is justified, it cannot be considered 'discrimination'. In fact, most of us felt it is justified that woman need not be conscripted for the Army and receive the same caning punishment as their physical built cannot take it. If you practice such equality rather than equity, it is only unjust to do so and you beliefs brings unjust society.
@bpwong85 Stop using your multiple youtube accounts to troll and spread un-informed information about a country you don't belong to and know nothing about!
@elpheal Huh? What are you saying? I'm defending Singapore as a Singaporean for your information. I'm 25 yr old, male Singaporean, served my 2 yrs of National Service in the Army. I do not have multiple youtube accounts neither did I spread un-informed information nor did I say anything I do not know about. Please get clear of your facts before you comment anything. Be informed, not assume.
@bpwong85 Alamak, apologies for the wrong reply. This comment was for @butterflye2020 but because my first comment was too long I had to post another comment and accidentally replied the wrong user.
@butterflye2020 Before you jump in and start accusing another country of having a 'warped view of gender equality' let me tell you how things work here.Any a male who have served his National Service is guaranteed a higher pay than a female of similar qualification. And if there were to be any offset package/payouts from the government, the males who get a significant amount more too.
@elpheal Any gender inequality that I have referred to was in regard to the sexist and discriminating judicial system of Singapore, whereby penaltys are not the same for women and men. More specifically I have mentioned the fact that the perverted ritual of flogging (canings) are imposed on men and not on women for the very same crimes. How can anyone have faith in a judicial system with laws that punish by gender rather than by crime is a mystery to me. What are you saying?
@butterflye2020 So based on your view, should children be punished the same for the same crime? Then should manslaughter be judged as the same crime as murder cause the same outcome is someone died regardless of intention (same goes for gender regardless of physical differences that can't take the same treatment). You are plain nonsensical.
@butterflye2020 I'll be frank with you. Your judicial view may be based on equality but definitely not equity. No one will accept it as just for a equality system that ignore equity. Equality should be based on the same outcome due to punishment, not same punishment but unequal outcome. The law is there to maintain order, not there as a purpose to punish. Punishment is just a means of maintaining order.
@butterflye2020 And with your extremism, I don't find it less cruel. You may in the name of 'human rights' build a prison with couch, TV, spa and all the enjoyment and good food. What happens? Imprisonment becomes a joy without suffering (no cruelty) and so if I hate someone, I can easily be motivated to kill cause there is no bad consequences. Life in prison is so comfortable. If I'm unemployed, fired by boss, prison ensure my survival and I should kill my boss with such law.
STAY AWAY FROM SINGAPORE This barbaric country should be boycotted because they have sentenced a grafitti artist to be FLOGGED. This country believes in torture not only for foreigners but for their own people. They need to stop this type of violent punishment and stop acting like a third world country. SHAME ON SINGAPORE
@butterflye2020 If it is a barbaric country which cane people, what about those people who simply do things they like as if there is no law? Is that less barbaric? This is a simple psychological factor. People will not be motivated to do something if the cost is greater than the benefits. The reason why the West has high crime rates is because the benefits tend to be seen as greater than the cost of breaking crime. Canning is not much of a torture compare to citizens suffering in lawless state.
@bpwong85 For decades the government has promoted unfair and unjust laws threatening beatings and death to "motivate" as you say it's people. The man responsible for this has been none other than LKY. It was easy to find men that had a sadistic fetish to help with this. If you don't think that caning is "not much of a torture" could you explain exactly what it is and how it is done in detail to help clarify? You can enlighten the rest of the world with that which Singapore
@butterflye2020 Please tell me which part of the law is 'unfair' or 'unjust'. If everyone receives the same treatment, I don't see how is it unfair or unjust. Surely the law in Singapore can be quite rigid and nonsense at times but corporate punishment is nevertheless quite effective in maintaining low crime rate that many nations believing 'sparing the rod' can't do. Please refer to UN convention against torture of how it is defined.
@bpwong85 First of all the law is unfair and unjust because EVERYONE does not receive the same treatment because of gender discrimination. You knew that didn't you. If a male and female commit the same horrible crime (like unauthorized painting a train carriage called vandalism) both can be fined, both jailed BUT ONLY THE MALE receives the mandatory beating sentence. (3 to 8 lashes with a wooden cane). I don't care where you are from this is UNEQUAL and biased treatment. Outrageous.
@butterflye2020 There are two views to fairness. One is 'equality', the other is 'equity'. Your view is that of 'equality' which failed to be fair at times. Equality suggests that if a rich commit the same crime as the poor, they should be fined equally rather than proportional to their situation. Why should the poor suffer a harsher punishment here while the rich having lighter punishment? The rich will not feel a pinch but not the poor. Male are physically more fit than female. This explained.
@bpwong85 There is NOTHING Fair, or just about this legalized violence that discriminates against males. Females do not receive equal treatment under the insane laws and cannot be Flogged; even for the very same crimes. Discrimination comes in many forms: Race or Sex or gender discrimination is just that discrimination. A transexual male to female would also not be beaten- Go figure that. We must continue to alert the world of Singapore's shame. Asia's Disneyland? GOD HELP MICKEY MOUSE!
@butterflye2020 Like I said, how is it fair if the effect of a punishment though is the same is much heavier? I gave you an analogy where the poor is fined equally as the rich does and this imposed a harsher punishment on the poor than the rich as the fine proportion to their wealth is higher. In the same way, given the condition of female, if they are caned the same way, it will be too harsh for them. It seems that you are the sadist here wanting females to be caned equally.
@bpwong85 Now if the law is not Equal then it should be changed and/or abolished like most civilized countries have done. I see you still try to justify brutality and violent acts mentioning low crime rates, Saudi Arabia does this too--another barbaric country along with Iran. Electric shocks may get the crime rate lower still, maybe somone should mention that to the PAP.
@butterflye2020 So people should not even be fined or should there be a jail nor should there be police because there may be a nation where the law is less strict than the other and your country maybe more strict than the other. This means your country is barbaric as well compared to the other nation. It will be a joke if 'equality' = fairness. So you should get the same pay regardless of your hardwork more than others. Is this fair? The more serious crimes should receive harsher punishment.
Singapore may be viewed as oppressing people with laws while some western countries may be seen as lawlessness given some of the extreme freedom allowed. One may say 'balance' but such 'balance' is not the same generally since the situation each country is in is different. Say Thailand for example. The recent riots threatened the economic growth of the nation. So in the name of freedom, should we allow it while making the nation weaker depriving people freedom of wealth, making them poorer?
The issue of rules of behaviour is that people do not recognize that there is such a thing as a difference in accepted Social norm or rules. Human freedom is exercised differently in western societies and in eastern societies especially Singapore. Just because we are different from the west does not mean we are oppressing people since our act in context in the west may be oppressing. Whether it is 'opposing' depends on whether the people here feels it not based on feelings of foreign members.
@bpwong85 What kind of double talk is this. It doen't matter East or West. Singapore needs to stop the barbaric crap. It doesn't matter if it is legal to pull someones nails out , or burn them, or flog them--It is INHUMANE. Not because of the feelings of foreigners but because it is TORTURE and not acceptable today.
@somuchsolittleful It is only unacceptable in the context of the west but still acceptable in context of the East. This isn't a double talk issue. This is a lack of understanding that people in different culture view things differently. The law in Singapore is strict with canning but you can see well the crime rate is lower than most Western States. If the West wishes to be opinionated forcing your views on the East, we should force our views on the West as well that they should have canning.
@bpwong85 I read with disgust at your self righteous and pitiful attempt to justify and rationalize violence and brutality and yes TORTURE of human beings.There is no justification for inhumane treatment. You don't beat an animal nor human beings. No matter the culture east or west (there are asian countries that have abolished this cruelty) This sadistic governemnt threatens its populace with beatings and death to control them, to subdue them and they live in fear. Following LKY is BARBARIC.
@somuchsolittleful And please understand the term 'social norm and rules' they are not 'laws'. They are what is considered acceptable or not in a society. In the West, caning is considered inhumane which is its social norm and rules (not law) but in the East, it is reasonable and not considered inhumane. This is our social norm and rules, not whether legal or not. You can't on ground that its not accepted in the West say it is not acceptable by everyone. That's nonsense.
@bpwong85 Barbaric countries such as Singapore and Saudi Arabia use controlling crime as a sick excuse to Flog, Mutilate, and Torture those under their governments authority. Not only is this universally human rights abuse it is international law that countries such as sadistic Singapore and North Korea ignore. Mr. Fricker is a hero to challenge UNJUST laws of brutality in such a hideous place.
@somuchsolittleful In what ways is it 'unjust'? If you do not even know what is 'unjust', please do not use it anyhow. If no one is above the law and there is no discrimination on how the law is enforced, it can't be labelled as 'unjust'. Mr. Fricker is not a hero. SMRT is a private property. By entry to a private property without permission is a crime. By vandalising a private property is also a crime. If imposing freedom to damage others' property is hero, let me vandalize/ruin your stuff.
@somuchsolittleful And please do your homework on UN law. Pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions are NOT considered as a breach of human rights. 'Torture' is defined by the UN where there is no proof that one is guilty and you beat them up until they confess. If you have no clear idea of the law, please do not misuse its definition. Thank you.
@bpwong85 Don't even try to quote United Nations human rights laws to me. It must be adhered to in WHOLE - NOT PART. Singapore makes a mockery of it as well as the rule of law. It is very typical for this sadistic government to pick out just part of something to justify its barbaric laws to beat people and to control them and suit it's own agenda. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this.
@somuchsolittleful So tell me which part of it in the UN convention is being breached? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this but it takes anyone to misinterpret things. I don't find the laws as barbaric though I find it harsh at times. If I want to say anything is barbaric, it will be outsiders trying to enforce their idealistic view for global domination with it, threatening, inducing fear and induce emotional and mental damage to anyone not conforming to their idealism.
@somuchsolittleful And get a life. You guys have your views on human rights and can enforce whatever idealistic world you want in your nation. Your rights are not above our rights to prefer our society in ways we want it to be. Colonial era of superiority and oppression of minorities is over. Although I find those nations exaggerate 'human rights' believing there is absolute freedom as if freedom won't conflict which makes it nonsensical, its your nation and I have no say. This is our nation.
@sandye 2100 : I am Singaporean and funny enough I don't feel that I have my human rights abused :)
I think that you need to get your facts straight before flaunting your ignorance and playing "saviour" of the damned. We might be unhappy about some stuff but we know how to stand up for ourselves if we need to, we do have voting rights you know?
@SlowMuse my facts are quite right. You may vote but the government controls almost everything else. Be careful for if you stand in opposition of your repressive government, even blogging against it on the internet, may get you detained, jailed, fined, and if you are charged with one of over 40 offences you may be brutally whipped (unless you are female you are not equal under the law). Since you are Singaporean and can "stand" up perhaps YOU may be the "SAVIOUR" of the damned that people need.
Sounds like a very self-righteous Singaporean, but that is to be excused. As a Singaporean you are a victim of your barbaric governments repression. You would not dare publicly critisize the government for FEAR of being sued, imprisioned and fined, or beaten (Caning would not be an option for females as they are not equal under the law). International human rights organizations all over the world, not just USA, will call out sadistic country's, such as Singapore, for this legalized torture.
@sandye2100 Im an expat living in Singapore and i believe i know the locals well enough. you are right that the government does somewhat oppress the people. however, i think this is what makes singapore what it is, a wonderful place to live, work and play. although the people do not seem happy, deep inside they love the way they live. however, i do feel the government could lax its law-enforcing methods.
@SwimCycleRun I can appreciate your unique insight, however some things sound rather contradictory. Acknowlegement of oppression is absolutely paramount to start with and it is a waste of time to deny that it exists. That being said does not make anything "wonderful" about it. . I would agree that people are not happy, but then you say they love the way they live. I will maintain they are accepting their victimization, and by doing so only enables their oppressor; the cruel Singapore government.
@SwimCycleRun Even though the oppressed people of Singapore did not esablish the cruel law-enforcing methods and repressive conditions of their government, they are capable of breaking the cycle that continues it. Acceptance of cruel, degrading, and inhumane treatment of fellow human beings not only enables but deprives the people of solutions to problems, and they cannot be excused for barbaric treatment either. People can undo their victimization.
@sandye2100 thx for your reply. i do not disagree with your statement, im only keen on providing value-add. firstly, i meant they do not seem happy superficially, on the outside, but inside they are reasonably happy. sorry for the accidental contradiction.i believe this would be an issue on freedom. it is impossible for everyone to completely enjoy his rights. for example, by having the right to kill is to deprive another of the right to live.
@SwimCycleRun Interesting. Agreed the government has sacrificed freedoms of the people to try to achieve an equilibrium in society. By sacrificing serious human rights is where the underlying problem exists and it is that element of sadistic cruelty of and in this government that results in human rights abuses. Singaporeans are compelled to deny the basic decency and respect of ALL human beings and accept a system of injustice regardless of whether the average person seems happy or not.
@sandye2100 Please define 'human rights'. Is it "rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled"? If yes, I believe you are abusing our human rights to live in the way we wanted our society to be. There is no such thing as absolute freedom in this world. Such is one people who wanted absolute human rights do not understand. Absolute freedom can result the deprivation of freedom of another. For example, the freedom to be rich is actually being richer on account of others being poorer.
@sandye2100 personally, i feel the reason why the s'pore govt seemingly oppresses pple so much is because they have a well established equilibrium of give-and-takes of human rights. by taking away many rights of the people in spore, they have the luxury of enjoying many others, that is why they generally happy.
Visitors go elsewhere. International human rights organizations condemn Singapore for its continued cruel crazy caning epidemic. Thousands of male prisoners are whipped yearly, many for minor offences, and incredibly for even overstaying visas! This barbaric abuse is in violation of United Nations statutes on torture.- right out of the dark ages - or a USA hollywood horror film. Singapore-Aisa's disneyland is one of only a few sadistic places on this earth that this is permitted.
@h4z Thank you for noticing,. Exposure of human rights abuse is the objective. The internet is an excellent way to reveal truth, but of course censorship in Singapore is a problem as well. Much more is needed to change archaic laws. Change must come from within and the public is indoctrinated with a certain mindset, and apathetic as well. In your face Intense international condemnation and outrage about injustice can also help to try and stop these atrocities.
Another self-righteous American. Have you ever visited Singapore before. Nobody lives in fear here.
If America would stop meddling with other peoples affairs, the world would be a better place. We wouldn't have problems in Iraq. Who funded the Saddam Hussien in the first place eh?
you mean WAS right? Come on, we gained independence from the British in 1963 through merger with Malaysia. S'pore later left and became an independent republic on its own 2 years later.
FOREIGNER---TRAVELERS---TOURISTS STAY AWAY FROM SINGAPORE
Travel elsewhere in Asia. Because of human rights violations and a Barbaric government that has persecuted people for 50 years.
Try Bangkok, Hong Kong, Tokyo!!
somuchsolittleful 2 months ago
@somuchsolittleful haha.. are you bored? singapore is a great nation
runekai250 2 weeks ago
@runekai250 GOOGLE: Singapore Dissident Gopalan Nair as he reveals truths and great insight into and about Singapore's ruthless repressive regime, and the Barbarity of its Flogging Frenzy. Torture is a violation of international laws and Singapore is internationally shamed each time a boy or man is court ordered by a corrupt criminal judge to be brutalized by paid prison perverts. It is past itme to become a civilized non violent nation and stop legalized torture and brutality.
somuchsolittleful 2 weeks ago
@somuchsolittleful so i read up on this guy Gopalan. So yes, he is against Singapore acts of torture. I myself will concede that I have no idea what is going on in prison. But i do know, these so called torture that u call upon are common in every part of the world. I suppose you are referring to caning in Singapore which supposing inhumane. Let me say, it is a normal to receive punishment. Yes, it causes blood to flow out of the ass but it serves as a reminder not to go against the law
runekai250 2 weeks ago
@runekai250 Carrying on.. the canning serves a warning and also as a deterrent for going against the law. However, it should be noted that not every single crime results in caning and that only major offences are considered worth caning. Furthemore, caning is common practice in the Singapore society. It has been around since they were kindergarden to junior colleges.
You may find it barbaric and call us uncivilised. But thats the way cultures are. Different countries-- different culture
runekai250 2 weeks ago
@runekai250 furthermore, going on with the death sentence. Death sentence is not unique in Singapore. To note, many countries have Death Sentences. Also if you are unaware, statically speaking its more expensive to send someone to the gallows than keep them for life imprisonment. Yes, i know the US has recently stopped it but it still doesn't change the fact for the need of Capital Punishment. Its only in the extreme cases whereby death sentence occurs (mainly in Murder and Drugs)
runekai250 2 weeks ago
@runekai250 Adding on.. to saying we are controlled. I agree we are a police state. However, i would tell you. The police abuses occured as a result in the past to forcefully get rid of Communism in Singapore (racial riots). That was Singapore's turbulent moments as a nation. However, as of today, there aint police abuses. Our society is slowly moving away from a police state. Though America police are much more abusive than the Singapore ones (freedom right?).
runekai250 2 weeks ago
@runekai250 There much flaws in the Singapore state. But let me tell you, every nation has equally or more flaws than Singapore. Its no use comparing which countries sucks. America -- screwed up political system whereby Republicans against Democrats. China--- no regards for human rights (your other asian destinations right?). EU-- in a total debt crisis.
The list is endless... have fun :D be glad to talk to you again.
runekai250 2 weeks ago
@runekai250 Untill changes are made or the government is abolished Singapore's international reputation continues to suffer. It is still that of the bizarre little place in Asia and still known as 'Disneyland with the deaath penalty.' It doesn't have to be this way. When there is no respect for the rights of human beings, when people have been stripped of their liberty and freedom by a tyrannical government, there can be no respect for those that rule them; only contempt.
somuchsolittleful 2 weeks ago
@runekai250 I am sick of Singaporeans trying to compare one city of thousands to billions in a place the size of America. Don't get me started on the US for I have a lot to say on their videos as well. Singapore remains a police state as it currently is with no freedom of speech, no free press, no right of assembly, no jury trials, government propaganda and censorship, and the draconian and archaic laws, as well as the barbaric penaltys. It is time to become a free civilized nation.
somuchsolittleful 2 weeks ago
@runekai250 Singapore's Legalized brutality is condemned by all global human rights groups as crimes against humanity. It is against all UN conventions on torture and all international practices and norms agreed upon as illegal by the majority of UN member nations and first world civilized countries on this earth. These acts are violent barbaric physical assaults against human beings and twisted justice. It is time to stop violence and hold those accountable for their inhuman deeds
somuchsolittleful 2 weeks ago
@runekai250 Capital punishment is not "unique" but in Singapore executions are mandatory without mitigating circumstances for even Non-violent offences-- not only for murder. Sentencing even teenagers to death for possessing a quantitiy of drugs, is grissly outrageous and barbaric. Persecuted author,journalist, and hero Alan Shadrake helped shed light on the horrific blight of Singapore. Trying to justify extinguishing human life because it's too costly to imprison is --sub-human.
somuchsolittleful 2 weeks ago
@runekai250 Flogging in Singapore serves as nothing except the discriminatory unjust, uncivilized, violent acts of males that it is. Even trivial offences (immigration, vandalism, white collar crimes etc ) result in court ordered cruelty. Yes this is sickeningly "commonplace." Boys are brutalzed throughout school and violence is judicially legalized by a barbaric government. Rather than culture, it is all part of an outdated tradition of sadistic cult-like violence and extremism
somuchsolittleful 2 weeks ago
@runekai250 I know that most citizens, like you, "don't have (any) no idea what is going on in prison." Outside of prison, most have turned away from this shameful and extreme physical violence that is allowed. The majority of the civilized world knows this as Torture, and there are only a few third world places on earth where this judicial barbarity is allowed. Singaporeans are brainwashed to believing uncivilized brutal violence is somehow "normal." Nothing is "normal" about this.
somuchsolittleful 2 weeks ago
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somuchsolittleful and butterflye2020 is the same person. trust me his everywhere. ur hateful comment not gunna bring singapore down. please fool seriously im laughing to ever comment you post. please grow up :) keep protesting cos u will never win :) dumb internet troll
VanNelleish 3 months ago
@VanNelleish Lol,, you left out Mrseekerof justice ha ha ha and others that you think I am. Face it, you cannot stand criticism, but that is too bad. You just keep on laughing and I will keep posting the truth because the message is clear: Singapore is a barbaric uncivilized police state, and one only has to travel outside singapore to know and understand what the rest of the world knows.
somuchsolittleful 3 months ago
@somuchsolittleful C i knw it ur the same TROLL who keeps on replyin on the same date n time lmfao!!! sad fellow u must b lonely at home and prolly u don't have job well i guess u have not that kind of good job mostly u eat shit thats why u got this stupid and funny comment :D HAHAHAHAHA singapore is barbaric are u one of those prisoner in singapore committing crime before? lmfao i think u are!! hahaha sad guy most govt from different part of the country agrees and support what our govt did :)
VanNelleish 3 months ago
@VanNelleish Uh,,,,,Right,,,,,,, Whatever you say,,,,,
Now, I will continue posting:
Singapore is nothing close to Asia's Disneyland, lol, if you are from a free democratic country you would know this to be true. Singapore is not signatory to the United Nations conventions on torture--for a reason----it's uncivilized savage junta violates international law. The message is clear and all human rights defenders including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch help expose these Barbarians.
somuchsolittleful 2 months ago
Read Human Rights reports regarding Barbaric Torture Floggings in Singapore and the vicious mandatory death penalty. Read the book 'Disneyland with the death Penalty' for an enlightening view of Singapore. Google Gopalan Nair 'Singapore Dissident' for the truth about Singapore. And Read Alan Shadrake International best seller 'Once a Jolly Hangman' and things become quite clear that Singapore is anything but Asia's Disneyland.
somuchsolittleful 5 months ago
@somuchsolittleful your retarded. you have the IQ of a 5 year old maybe less. If you dont act like a barbarian you wont be treated like one!!!. A fucking child can understand that.
ApprenticeOfAnubis 4 months ago
@ApprenticeOfAnubis The many many men that have been sentenced to being brutally beaten for IMMIGRATION offenses and other minor infractions by criminal singaporean judges in no way acted like barbarians. Rather it is Barbaric and inhumane for any civilized government to allow physically assaulting human beings. Please educate yourself about the cruelty of this one party state.
somuchsolittleful 4 months ago
@somuchsolittleful ha. somone needs to be the law. If we go by your logic some maniac who goes killing kids at a preschool should be let free and do it some more. also putting people in jail is not punishment they get free food and a bed. they get treated better than some poor peasant. execution is the right thing to do. to many dumb people have gone soft today. wich is the main reason the human population is so high. mainly because dumb people get to live.
ApprenticeOfAnubis 4 months ago
@ApprenticeOfAnubis Of course there needs to be laws--CIVILIZED laws- not laws made by barbaric savages that promote and condone physical violence, especially for minor infractions, and mandatory death sentences for such things as drug possession. Laws should be enforced equally without regard to gender and nobody said that jail is the only punishment option. Who said anything about being soft on crime? Not me. Singaporeans don't worry about overpopulation lol-look at its record LOW birth rate.
somuchsolittleful 4 months ago
Don't feed the trolls...
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cuong0989696800 9 months ago
oooh i see u went to clarke quay :D go there again now theres a sky garden; a ship balancing on 3 buildings
tropicalpassion13 10 months ago
Sucha nice music you've got in your clip!! Could you tell me the name of the singer?
goroskop4 1 year ago
good video
ambarawio 1 year ago
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Tyroneblu7 1 year ago
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there's nothing unique about singapore..its clean..well some parts of india are clean! nothing fascinating about it
tofftoffer 1 year ago
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ptibo1 1 year ago
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Fantastic ! Singaporeans are a very closely-knitted lot - the reason why this country has powered on tremendously. What with the YOG shown worldwide, and we get to watch it overseas! . .then the F1 nite race wowed the world with 500 million people around the globe soaking in the atmosphere!! And I'll say this over and over again..Singapore was a picture postcard in perfection. What a place! My country too!
WBLITZer 1 year ago
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I love the Asian value!!!
LouAu 1 year ago 3
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Incredibly misleading title. How Dare anyone support any authority or government that violates the basic social foundation of civilised society-Human Rights. The mob of millionaires running Singapore have been allowed to do just as they please ruling by brute force with Torture and Hangings. Instead of protecting citizens from physical force-they initiate it with mandatory beatings. The criminals of singapore are responsible for atrocities. How sad singapore has become--the city without a soul.
butterflye2020 1 year ago 25
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When I say punishment should be viewed with the purpose to reform bad behaviour, not to give bad consequences for bad behaviour, we should understand that everyone is different and that the level of punishment required to reform a person will be different as well. For the same crime perhaps, one may be reformed with light punishment but that may be insufficient for another and require harsher one to reform. The law is in place to ensure order. If it failed to reform behaviour, it failed.
bpwong85 1 year ago
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@JohnfromPerth When people want the idealism of the so-called 'human rights' (which I feel is just depriving others of their rights) but cannot get it in a socially desirable way, they may resort to what is undesirable such as protest, burning of cars etc which is itself a 'crime'. This is a problem when everyone wants things their way and unwilling to compromise. Punishment should be viewed with purpose of reforming behaviour, not to give bad consequences to bad behaviour while failed to reform
bpwong85 1 year ago 9
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@JohnfromPerth Hi John, the reason for crime is not simply an issue of law as well. There are many social factors. Sociologists do study American culture and what is called the 'American Dream' suggest that it may influence crime as well. When people are induced that wealth is their goal in life but the socially acceptable way to get it is not available to all, some will use unacceptable ways (i.e. crime) to reach that dream. Its not surprising the 'human rights' may lead to crime as well.
bpwong85 1 year ago 17
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Yup..n if you lose anything don't fret, just make a report n a pretty good chance that someone will return it intact, even to your doorstep!! Everyone is on the go.
I call this SUPERB SINGAPORE!
WBLITZer 1 year ago 30
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Get this... tropical climate..summer all thru...streets are clean of whateva n we walk late into the nite not worrying..glorious food for every whim n fancy prompt efficient services everywhere, n if you're not in they leave u a card telling u tht they came but to fix anorther appt w them again!! HOw cool is that ! People speak English so it's never a prob.
WBLITZer 1 year ago 55
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The savage Singapore government cannot stifle all artistic expression by sentencing a male graffiti artist to being jailed and beaten. There are women also that are graffiti artists that should express their art on public property and they need NOT fear any Beating. If caught they would receive jail and fines, but they cannot be sentenced to FLOGGING. The judicial system is sexist and discriminates against males with regard to gender violence.
butterflye2020 1 year ago 6
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The state controlled newspaper reported august 11 an immigration overstayer was caught and sentenced to jail AND BEATING because he is a male of 4 lashes. This torture is absolutely outrageous abuse, and it is so frequent that it is an epidemic in this police state. Where else in the civilised world would an immigrant be FLOGGED like this? Malaysia maybe. And, Singapore is the ONLY country in the world to mandate flogging in its military. Real sickness here.
butterflye2020 1 year ago 2
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WARNING: If you go to Singapore is HOT!! So don't bring long sleeved T-shirts!! And beware for rude teenagers which actually can make you pissed!!
But be happy with some places and i RECOMEND the singapore flyer!! Its beautiful!! And if you go to Singapore Flyer At night i feels like Yay! I am glad Singapore is my home. I belong here. And i love it!!
CookieLoveAngel13 1 year ago
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Lol!! This butterflye2020 is everywhere in youtube especially when it is about Singapore. I wont be surprise if this person has other ghost account or is part of "wendyneo's contingent". Sekali, this person was from Singapore and had to resort to youtube to express the so call human rights. Please lah, go relax one corner.
OrangUtanMileynum 1 year ago 113
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@OrangUtanMileynum Yes I and others have joined to campaign against Human Rights abuses in Singapore. Some are part of Amnesty Interantional and Human Rights Watch. Our message is the same to try to expose government brutality and inhuman cruelty. I was accused of being someone else on another singapore video. Thank you for mentioning wendyneo. Are you a GHOST??
butterflye2020 1 year ago
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@butterflye2020 Ok. Will look forward for it. No, i am not a ghost. I am just the other side of you. Your Alter Ego....lol. Cheers!
OrangUtanMileynum 1 year ago
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@OrangUtanMileynum
Thank you for following my comments as part of my objective is being met. Please continue following me--just as a good ghost should.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
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trini133 1 year ago
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@OrangUtanMileynum Yeah, man, yeah! GO SINGAPORE!!
WBLITZer 1 year ago 15
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Lets watch the unjust Singapore government as the new drama unfolds involving the British author that was arrested for writing his book on the death penalty in Singapore. What other country would arrest an author for their work? Perhaps Iran, or maybe North Korea - but Singapore? Yes in Singapore. The whole world will be watching and the international media is necessary to expose this government. I agree if they could get away with Flogging him they would surely do it
butterflye2020 1 year ago
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Just another example of the sexist and discriminatory judicial system in Singapore is that the law also criminalizes sex between men - and only men. But does not do so with sex between women. Again, the laws punish by gender and the system is not balanced, it is biased against men and this is greatly detrimental to social order.
butterflye2020 1 year ago 3
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"There are security implications for this, that somebody was able to penetrate a depot unnoticed and then commit damage,"
The depot is a highly protected place and anyone knows that. He went there at 3am cut the fences and went in unnoticed. What will happen if he plants a time bomb and set it to explode when it goes under the financial district in the crowded subway station.
Singapore law act as a deterrent. if you want to mess around, you better get lost.
jensentoh 1 year ago 3
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Can't believe disneyland or Universal studios would ever be in this barbaric place. USA greed-how pathetic is this. Singapore with its draconian laws and beatings of their citizens is NOT disneyland. Maybe some horror movie or Nightmare.
Do not support Singapore because of what they do to their own citizens and foreigners like Oliver Fricker. I would encourage everyone to spend their money
elsewhere like Hong Kong, Japan, Tawain or even S. Korea but--
DO NOT COME HERE!!
somuchsolittleful 1 year ago
@somuchsolittleful ur everywhere
no life
come on man
maizat84 1 year ago 5
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The best experience is trying the yummy foods of different cultures...There's Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Malay, French, Japanese, Korean, Indian, Italian, Indonesian.....the choices are endless. Tourists keep coming and that's evidently good for Singapore's image as a global city-state.
trini133 1 year ago 9
@trini133 one of the best thing I love abt spore is its wide varity of food. yummy.
YANGatheart 1 year ago 5
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MY Singapore...I love everything about it! Our different nationalities living peacefully together..and eating the different types of food from different culture. A stable economy and good govt are exceptionally very important for us too.
trini133 1 year ago 2
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SHAME ON SINGAPORE THE TORTURE STATE !
cockpit777 1 year ago
millions of others? lol
xDOLLY 1 year ago
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Shame on this third world contry for its barbaric midieval practice of caning. With all the serious things happening in this world today this little demon country still has floggings to punish and control its slaves. This place is the biggest joke in the world today. Years ago when then USA president Bush announced his axis of evil he should have included Sick Singapore in it.
sandye2100 1 year ago
STAY AWAY from "Asia's Disneyland" this country is NOTHING that Disneyland stands for, and still uses brutal beatings of men as a punishment. Travelers should not come to this place. There are other Asian destinations that are beautiful and that do not legalize this cruelty in their laws. Last week a swiss man was sentenced by these insanely cruel laws to be brually FLOGGED.
GO ELSEWHERE.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
The homoerotic and sadomasochistic caning ritual: Males are stripped Naked, and ok'd to be beaten by a "doctor", tied up to a frame as one would tie an animal, a trained and paid sadistic male guard uses a wooden whip soaked in chemicals to brutally beat the male over and over and over again, while other salivating male guards watch enjoying the entire spectacle until the victim is bleeding and scarred then untied needing medical attention or hospital. DISGUSTING ,DEGRADING ,AND DEHUMANIZING!
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 You are tied to a frame to fix your position cause if the cane misses and hit the wrong part, it can paralyze you. This is why the caner must be trained to prevent such. You are not being caned over and over again. It depends on the amount of cane awarded and no more of what awarded should be given. Very nice imagination of yours but it distorted what is true because you failed to understand why it is required and how it was carried out, believing in myths.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 Every hear of BONDAGE?? Of course during the sadistic "ceremony" of flogging the male is TIED, BOUND to an apparatus called a trestle-he cannot move is is strapped to it regardless of the reason. He IS whipped over and over possibly up to 24 lashes. THIS IS FACTUAL information. There are documented cases whereby males were injured requiring months of hospitalization to recover from wounds.Mistakes are made: Every hear of Dickson Tan Wen--YOU CANNOT COVER THIS CRAP UP!
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 And check your facts. Your argument against a nation that failed to abide to your idealistic world and obsessive dictating behaviour to dictate the view of a nation made you biased and distort facts. Dickson Tan Wen was awarded 5 strokes but by mistake given 8 strokes which is 3 additional strokes. 24? You might as well say it is 24,000 strokes. It may make it sound more convincing of a real torture and inhumane treatment without concern of the victim.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 My facts are correct! Mr Wen was given 3 extra strokes of a wooden cane whereby the government expressed regret-OUTRAGEOUS and UNFORGIVABLE, and you have said it's not much torture.". No money awarded him could compensate this barbarism. I was referring to the unjust system assigning the number of lashes to be physically meted out to the victim and that maximuim is 24. Your desparation trying to justify this violence against a human being proves your admiration of excessive cruelty.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 "He IS whipped over and over possibly up to 24 lashes. THIS IS FACTUAL information" Wow... I didn't know there is a new law in mathematics where 24 = 8. Stop finding excuses covering up your nonsense and nonsensical argument. Even if not a mathematical flaw in that statement, it is a flaw in language. How can that mean "I was referring to .... maximum is 24". Oh... I forgot, you failed in understanding basic English & can twist the meaning of words.
bpwong85 1 year ago
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@bpwong85 The only excuses being made here are yours. And you make yourself sound ridiculous. You of course try to twist anything when you know Singapore promotes violence. Whether the courts award 1 or 3 lashes or 24 with a wooden whip it is violence committed and absolute abuse. This violence against men, many of whom have not committed any violent act, is considered excessive cruelty and not allowed in most first world countries today and not acceptable. Truth not your jargon will be exposed
butterflye2020 1 year ago
UN Convention on 'torture':
"Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person, information or a confession.....It DOES NOT include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions."
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 Un Convention on "torture"
Very broad article supported by many paragraphs you quoted part of the first paragraph but articles 1-16 continue to define cruel, Inhuman or degrading TREATMENT or PUNISHMENT and of course Singapore did NOT sign this convention. It is no wonder human rights organizations like Amnesty International condemn Singapore for legalizing this brutality. So sad to have this savage violence and cruelty ingrained in this society.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 @butterflye2020 Ya... its a very broad article. The other articles did not continue to define 'torture'. The 1st article did. The others explain how the measures should be carried out rather than defining 'torture'. Please read in context. Yes, Singapore did not sign but such correlation does not mean Singapore is torturing hence did not sign. If correlation = causality, then when your arm grows as your IQ grows (brain as well), you can say your increased IQ is due to arm.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 You cannot take this article out of context just to try to justify cruelty in your little city. The entire article discusses in length torture and actions that still constitute CRUEL, INHUMAN or DEGRADING TREATMENT AND PUNISHMENT. You cannot justify the Violent actions, the barbarity or the unjust laws. Change is coming and many more Singaporeans see the wrong and injustices being comitted. Why don't you get a job as a vicious prison guard at one of the Torture prisons?
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 Mistakes are made sure. Its not as if any nation don't enforcing corporal punishment makes no mistakes. If on basis on some mistake, the whole system has to be abolished, humans make mistakes all the time and should be removed completely? How is it inhumane when there is a doctor to check the prisoner's condition that does not allow further punishment if he can't take it? There are measures. I'm not sadist like to torture ppl but recognize it is needed to prevent lawlessness.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 The "mistakes" can't be undone, the mutilation of mans body is not acceptable, what is wrong with you that you cannot understand there is no room for mistakes. You have been indoctrinated well. It is absolutely inhumane for any so called "doctor" to participate in this cruelty by giving the OK for physical assault to occur in the first place. Without the OK this sadistic act would not be commited. You do promote violence in every thing you say and I will continue to expose injustice.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 So even if someone commit an act of violence such as murder, should you simply just jail him for few years? Who knows it may come a time even few years of imprisonment can be viewed as 'torture' due to extremism. Do you think we are all sadists like to have people being beaten? Its rather we are concern over the security of our nation that we do not accept the extreme view of what is considered as 'human rights' that believe in absolute freedom apart from any consequences.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 There is much to be said about solutions for crime and punishment, however, LKY his family and government that runs Singapore have chosen to keep cruelty and violence in their draconian laws mandating intentional physical abuse discriminating against males. The answer to your question is YES ,anyone that promotes or partakes in this cruelty of another human being in this manner definitely has sadistic and perverted tendencies. This is the disgrace of this country.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 Cruel? Lets give you a simple analogy. A wife had a constant quarrel with husband. Husband loves wife very much but wife is suffering because of the behaviour of the Husband. Wife threatened to divorce. On grounds of cruelty, it is argued that if wife leaves husband, it will be too cruel to him due to his love. However, if not granting divorce, it will be too cruel to the wife. Solution? This is an analogy to tell you that your ideas are unrealistic.
bpwong85 1 year ago
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@bpwong85 Your analogies are becoming more and more senseless. But what does make sense is that there are more and more Singaporeans expressing regret about the swiss mans sadistic beating. There is still hope that this cruelty in this society will not always remain as you may hope it will. Lee Kuan Yew will be dead soon and his son is not him and things will change. Until then these human rights abuses will be exposed throughout the world. This man will rise above this brutality.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 They are senseless to one who doesn't use logic to analyze and failed to have sufficient IQ to understand. Get some education in Economics and Psychology, perhaps you'll understand my analogy. If majority of the Singaporeans prefer another culture, so be it. It is their rights and I respect such change if that's what SINGAPOREANS want because they have the rights to demand how their nation should be. However, outsiders are best to be quiet.
bpwong85 1 year ago
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@bpwong85 You cannot use logic correctly and your examples are nonsense. You show how uneducated you truly are. I am glad many many Singaporeans do not agree with your jargon. Singapore has brought the shame upon itself for the entire world to see with its brutal sentence of Oliver Fricker. This cruelty must be exposed to the world in an effort to help stop legalized brutality where it exists. Outsiders must speak, no SHOUT loudly for the victims of Singapores violent injustice.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 And get some education in Sociology as well of why there are laws and constraint over freedom (i.e. human rights) to certain degree cause you don't seem to understand that by giving more freedom and rights to another when it is mutually exclusive is in fact depriving the rights and freedom of others (i.e. criminals are given freedom at expense of freedom of others).
bpwong85 1 year ago
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@bpwong85 Again you certainly show your lack of education in wanting to reward those that perpetrate human rights abuses in Singapore. The more you try to rationalize and justify injustice the deeper the hole you dig for yourself. There is no dignity nor decency either for the flogger who sadistically beats to deliberately inflict physical injury, or for the recipient of this societys cruel and inhumane laws.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 You can't even rationalize and give evidence why it is 'bad'. You merely use own personal feelings without any evidences to support your claim that it is inhumane, cruel and a breach of human rights. You can't develop some views and say "it is wrong" apart from empirical evidence that it is necessary wrong. Without rationalisation, you are just digging a hole without realizing it and stuck in it.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 You have all the evidence you need before you. You can continue to be part of the problem in Singapore or help change it. You may pick apart each sentence, each vowel, or letter but the facts are still there, Thousands and thousands of men are discriminated against each year and subjected to violent brutal beatings of this government. This cruelty and violence is dehumanizing to this society and until this inhumane treatment is stopped I and thousands of others will help expose this
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 "You have all the evidence you need before you." Doesn't seem like a statement of justification of your claim. I can also say "You have all the evidence you need before you showing caning is required and not inhumane". People are caned but that is just an evidence that people are caned, not an evidence that caning is inhumane. You can't use definitions as it is not empirical fact. I can create a definition of cruelty as "verbal accusation" like you are doing and say you are cruel
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 Great we finally agree on the evidence and the basic fact that--
PEOPLE ARE BEATEN (caned) IN SINGAPORE! Now since this is a violent physical act upon a human being, you may defend this violence over an over again as you like. On the other hand I and millions of others will continue to expose the violence Singapore imposes upon males in this country, and the horrors of it to the rest of the world. Thank you for helping with that objective perhaps in ways you could not know.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 I have never disagree since the beginning that people are caned in Singapore. I just do not consider it as torture where you do consider it as so which is what I disagree on your claims that caning is 'bad' as there is no empirical evidences suggesting so but mere feeling. This show very well again that you lack the ability to understand things and distort things to say whatever you want.
bpwong85 1 year ago
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@bpwong85 You may continue to twist things,use false analogies, try to justify and excuse the inexcusable.. Very typical for Bizzare Singapore. The law to beat males is discriminatory by gender discrimination. There is a very warped view of gender equality as only the male can be awarded a beating, the female does not have that option. Whatever the mitigating factors are for females should also apply to males. Singapore deserves to be SHUNNED Internationally fo this abuse.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 Please understand the word 'discrimination' refers to an unjustifiable negative behaviour towards someone. If it is justified, it cannot be considered 'discrimination'. In fact, most of us felt it is justified that woman need not be conscripted for the Army and receive the same caning punishment as their physical built cannot take it. If you practice such equality rather than equity, it is only unjust to do so and you beliefs brings unjust society.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 Stop using your multiple youtube accounts to troll and spread un-informed information about a country you don't belong to and know nothing about!
elpheal 1 year ago
@elpheal Huh? What are you saying? I'm defending Singapore as a Singaporean for your information. I'm 25 yr old, male Singaporean, served my 2 yrs of National Service in the Army. I do not have multiple youtube accounts neither did I spread un-informed information nor did I say anything I do not know about. Please get clear of your facts before you comment anything. Be informed, not assume.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 Alamak, apologies for the wrong reply. This comment was for @butterflye2020 but because my first comment was too long I had to post another comment and accidentally replied the wrong user.
elpheal 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 Before you jump in and start accusing another country of having a 'warped view of gender equality' let me tell you how things work here.Any a male who have served his National Service is guaranteed a higher pay than a female of similar qualification. And if there were to be any offset package/payouts from the government, the males who get a significant amount more too.
elpheal 1 year ago
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@elpheal Any gender inequality that I have referred to was in regard to the sexist and discriminating judicial system of Singapore, whereby penaltys are not the same for women and men. More specifically I have mentioned the fact that the perverted ritual of flogging (canings) are imposed on men and not on women for the very same crimes. How can anyone have faith in a judicial system with laws that punish by gender rather than by crime is a mystery to me. What are you saying?
butterflye2020 1 year ago
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@butterflye2020 So based on your view, should children be punished the same for the same crime? Then should manslaughter be judged as the same crime as murder cause the same outcome is someone died regardless of intention (same goes for gender regardless of physical differences that can't take the same treatment). You are plain nonsensical.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 I'll be frank with you. Your judicial view may be based on equality but definitely not equity. No one will accept it as just for a equality system that ignore equity. Equality should be based on the same outcome due to punishment, not same punishment but unequal outcome. The law is there to maintain order, not there as a purpose to punish. Punishment is just a means of maintaining order.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 And with your extremism, I don't find it less cruel. You may in the name of 'human rights' build a prison with couch, TV, spa and all the enjoyment and good food. What happens? Imprisonment becomes a joy without suffering (no cruelty) and so if I hate someone, I can easily be motivated to kill cause there is no bad consequences. Life in prison is so comfortable. If I'm unemployed, fired by boss, prison ensure my survival and I should kill my boss with such law.
bpwong85 1 year ago
STAY AWAY FROM SINGAPORE This barbaric country should be boycotted because they have sentenced a grafitti artist to be FLOGGED. This country believes in torture not only for foreigners but for their own people. They need to stop this type of violent punishment and stop acting like a third world country. SHAME ON SINGAPORE
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 If it is a barbaric country which cane people, what about those people who simply do things they like as if there is no law? Is that less barbaric? This is a simple psychological factor. People will not be motivated to do something if the cost is greater than the benefits. The reason why the West has high crime rates is because the benefits tend to be seen as greater than the cost of breaking crime. Canning is not much of a torture compare to citizens suffering in lawless state.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 For decades the government has promoted unfair and unjust laws threatening beatings and death to "motivate" as you say it's people. The man responsible for this has been none other than LKY. It was easy to find men that had a sadistic fetish to help with this. If you don't think that caning is "not much of a torture" could you explain exactly what it is and how it is done in detail to help clarify? You can enlighten the rest of the world with that which Singapore
is infamous for.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 Please tell me which part of the law is 'unfair' or 'unjust'. If everyone receives the same treatment, I don't see how is it unfair or unjust. Surely the law in Singapore can be quite rigid and nonsense at times but corporate punishment is nevertheless quite effective in maintaining low crime rate that many nations believing 'sparing the rod' can't do. Please refer to UN convention against torture of how it is defined.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 First of all the law is unfair and unjust because EVERYONE does not receive the same treatment because of gender discrimination. You knew that didn't you. If a male and female commit the same horrible crime (like unauthorized painting a train carriage called vandalism) both can be fined, both jailed BUT ONLY THE MALE receives the mandatory beating sentence. (3 to 8 lashes with a wooden cane). I don't care where you are from this is UNEQUAL and biased treatment. Outrageous.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 There are two views to fairness. One is 'equality', the other is 'equity'. Your view is that of 'equality' which failed to be fair at times. Equality suggests that if a rich commit the same crime as the poor, they should be fined equally rather than proportional to their situation. Why should the poor suffer a harsher punishment here while the rich having lighter punishment? The rich will not feel a pinch but not the poor. Male are physically more fit than female. This explained.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 There is NOTHING Fair, or just about this legalized violence that discriminates against males. Females do not receive equal treatment under the insane laws and cannot be Flogged; even for the very same crimes. Discrimination comes in many forms: Race or Sex or gender discrimination is just that discrimination. A transexual male to female would also not be beaten- Go figure that. We must continue to alert the world of Singapore's shame. Asia's Disneyland? GOD HELP MICKEY MOUSE!
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 Like I said, how is it fair if the effect of a punishment though is the same is much heavier? I gave you an analogy where the poor is fined equally as the rich does and this imposed a harsher punishment on the poor than the rich as the fine proportion to their wealth is higher. In the same way, given the condition of female, if they are caned the same way, it will be too harsh for them. It seems that you are the sadist here wanting females to be caned equally.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 Now if the law is not Equal then it should be changed and/or abolished like most civilized countries have done. I see you still try to justify brutality and violent acts mentioning low crime rates, Saudi Arabia does this too--another barbaric country along with Iran. Electric shocks may get the crime rate lower still, maybe somone should mention that to the PAP.
butterflye2020 1 year ago
@butterflye2020 So people should not even be fined or should there be a jail nor should there be police because there may be a nation where the law is less strict than the other and your country maybe more strict than the other. This means your country is barbaric as well compared to the other nation. It will be a joke if 'equality' = fairness. So you should get the same pay regardless of your hardwork more than others. Is this fair? The more serious crimes should receive harsher punishment.
bpwong85 1 year ago
Singapore may be viewed as oppressing people with laws while some western countries may be seen as lawlessness given some of the extreme freedom allowed. One may say 'balance' but such 'balance' is not the same generally since the situation each country is in is different. Say Thailand for example. The recent riots threatened the economic growth of the nation. So in the name of freedom, should we allow it while making the nation weaker depriving people freedom of wealth, making them poorer?
bpwong85 1 year ago 2
The issue of rules of behaviour is that people do not recognize that there is such a thing as a difference in accepted Social norm or rules. Human freedom is exercised differently in western societies and in eastern societies especially Singapore. Just because we are different from the west does not mean we are oppressing people since our act in context in the west may be oppressing. Whether it is 'opposing' depends on whether the people here feels it not based on feelings of foreign members.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 What kind of double talk is this. It doen't matter East or West. Singapore needs to stop the barbaric crap. It doesn't matter if it is legal to pull someones nails out , or burn them, or flog them--It is INHUMANE. Not because of the feelings of foreigners but because it is TORTURE and not acceptable today.
somuchsolittleful 1 year ago
@somuchsolittleful It is only unacceptable in the context of the west but still acceptable in context of the East. This isn't a double talk issue. This is a lack of understanding that people in different culture view things differently. The law in Singapore is strict with canning but you can see well the crime rate is lower than most Western States. If the West wishes to be opinionated forcing your views on the East, we should force our views on the West as well that they should have canning.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 I read with disgust at your self righteous and pitiful attempt to justify and rationalize violence and brutality and yes TORTURE of human beings.There is no justification for inhumane treatment. You don't beat an animal nor human beings. No matter the culture east or west (there are asian countries that have abolished this cruelty) This sadistic governemnt threatens its populace with beatings and death to control them, to subdue them and they live in fear. Following LKY is BARBARIC.
somuchsolittleful 1 year ago
@somuchsolittleful And please understand the term 'social norm and rules' they are not 'laws'. They are what is considered acceptable or not in a society. In the West, caning is considered inhumane which is its social norm and rules (not law) but in the East, it is reasonable and not considered inhumane. This is our social norm and rules, not whether legal or not. You can't on ground that its not accepted in the West say it is not acceptable by everyone. That's nonsense.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 Barbaric countries such as Singapore and Saudi Arabia use controlling crime as a sick excuse to Flog, Mutilate, and Torture those under their governments authority. Not only is this universally human rights abuse it is international law that countries such as sadistic Singapore and North Korea ignore. Mr. Fricker is a hero to challenge UNJUST laws of brutality in such a hideous place.
somuchsolittleful 1 year ago
@somuchsolittleful In what ways is it 'unjust'? If you do not even know what is 'unjust', please do not use it anyhow. If no one is above the law and there is no discrimination on how the law is enforced, it can't be labelled as 'unjust'. Mr. Fricker is not a hero. SMRT is a private property. By entry to a private property without permission is a crime. By vandalising a private property is also a crime. If imposing freedom to damage others' property is hero, let me vandalize/ruin your stuff.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@somuchsolittleful And please do your homework on UN law. Pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions are NOT considered as a breach of human rights. 'Torture' is defined by the UN where there is no proof that one is guilty and you beat them up until they confess. If you have no clear idea of the law, please do not misuse its definition. Thank you.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@bpwong85 Don't even try to quote United Nations human rights laws to me. It must be adhered to in WHOLE - NOT PART. Singapore makes a mockery of it as well as the rule of law. It is very typical for this sadistic government to pick out just part of something to justify its barbaric laws to beat people and to control them and suit it's own agenda. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this.
somuchsolittleful 1 year ago
@somuchsolittleful So tell me which part of it in the UN convention is being breached? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this but it takes anyone to misinterpret things. I don't find the laws as barbaric though I find it harsh at times. If I want to say anything is barbaric, it will be outsiders trying to enforce their idealistic view for global domination with it, threatening, inducing fear and induce emotional and mental damage to anyone not conforming to their idealism.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@somuchsolittleful And get a life. You guys have your views on human rights and can enforce whatever idealistic world you want in your nation. Your rights are not above our rights to prefer our society in ways we want it to be. Colonial era of superiority and oppression of minorities is over. Although I find those nations exaggerate 'human rights' believing there is absolute freedom as if freedom won't conflict which makes it nonsensical, its your nation and I have no say. This is our nation.
bpwong85 1 year ago
Singapore is a fascist state ruled by a DICKtatorship. Beware!
MichaelWithstand 1 year ago
@sandye 2100 : I am Singaporean and funny enough I don't feel that I have my human rights abused :)
I think that you need to get your facts straight before flaunting your ignorance and playing "saviour" of the damned. We might be unhappy about some stuff but we know how to stand up for ourselves if we need to, we do have voting rights you know?
SlowMuse 1 year ago
@SlowMuse my facts are quite right. You may vote but the government controls almost everything else. Be careful for if you stand in opposition of your repressive government, even blogging against it on the internet, may get you detained, jailed, fined, and if you are charged with one of over 40 offences you may be brutally whipped (unless you are female you are not equal under the law). Since you are Singaporean and can "stand" up perhaps YOU may be the "SAVIOUR" of the damned that people need.
sandye2100 1 year ago
Sounds like a very self-righteous Singaporean, but that is to be excused. As a Singaporean you are a victim of your barbaric governments repression. You would not dare publicly critisize the government for FEAR of being sued, imprisioned and fined, or beaten (Caning would not be an option for females as they are not equal under the law). International human rights organizations all over the world, not just USA, will call out sadistic country's, such as Singapore, for this legalized torture.
sandye2100 1 year ago
@sandye2100 Im an expat living in Singapore and i believe i know the locals well enough. you are right that the government does somewhat oppress the people. however, i think this is what makes singapore what it is, a wonderful place to live, work and play. although the people do not seem happy, deep inside they love the way they live. however, i do feel the government could lax its law-enforcing methods.
SwimCycleRun 1 year ago
@SwimCycleRun I can appreciate your unique insight, however some things sound rather contradictory. Acknowlegement of oppression is absolutely paramount to start with and it is a waste of time to deny that it exists. That being said does not make anything "wonderful" about it. . I would agree that people are not happy, but then you say they love the way they live. I will maintain they are accepting their victimization, and by doing so only enables their oppressor; the cruel Singapore government.
sandye2100 1 year ago
@SwimCycleRun Even though the oppressed people of Singapore did not esablish the cruel law-enforcing methods and repressive conditions of their government, they are capable of breaking the cycle that continues it. Acceptance of cruel, degrading, and inhumane treatment of fellow human beings not only enables but deprives the people of solutions to problems, and they cannot be excused for barbaric treatment either. People can undo their victimization.
sandye2100 1 year ago
@sandye2100 thx for your reply. i do not disagree with your statement, im only keen on providing value-add. firstly, i meant they do not seem happy superficially, on the outside, but inside they are reasonably happy. sorry for the accidental contradiction.i believe this would be an issue on freedom. it is impossible for everyone to completely enjoy his rights. for example, by having the right to kill is to deprive another of the right to live.
SwimCycleRun 1 year ago
@SwimCycleRun Interesting. Agreed the government has sacrificed freedoms of the people to try to achieve an equilibrium in society. By sacrificing serious human rights is where the underlying problem exists and it is that element of sadistic cruelty of and in this government that results in human rights abuses. Singaporeans are compelled to deny the basic decency and respect of ALL human beings and accept a system of injustice regardless of whether the average person seems happy or not.
sandye2100 1 year ago
@sandye2100 Please define 'human rights'. Is it "rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled"? If yes, I believe you are abusing our human rights to live in the way we wanted our society to be. There is no such thing as absolute freedom in this world. Such is one people who wanted absolute human rights do not understand. Absolute freedom can result the deprivation of freedom of another. For example, the freedom to be rich is actually being richer on account of others being poorer.
bpwong85 1 year ago
@sandye2100 personally, i feel the reason why the s'pore govt seemingly oppresses pple so much is because they have a well established equilibrium of give-and-takes of human rights. by taking away many rights of the people in spore, they have the luxury of enjoying many others, that is why they generally happy.
SwimCycleRun 1 year ago
Visitors go elsewhere. International human rights organizations condemn Singapore for its continued cruel crazy caning epidemic. Thousands of male prisoners are whipped yearly, many for minor offences, and incredibly for even overstaying visas! This barbaric abuse is in violation of United Nations statutes on torture.- right out of the dark ages - or a USA hollywood horror film. Singapore-Aisa's disneyland is one of only a few sadistic places on this earth that this is permitted.
sandye2100 1 year ago
@sandye2100 You should go do something about it since you're so passionate about this topic. ;]
h4z 1 year ago
@h4z Thank you for noticing,. Exposure of human rights abuse is the objective. The internet is an excellent way to reveal truth, but of course censorship in Singapore is a problem as well. Much more is needed to change archaic laws. Change must come from within and the public is indoctrinated with a certain mindset, and apathetic as well. In your face Intense international condemnation and outrage about injustice can also help to try and stop these atrocities.
sandye2100 1 year ago
Another self-righteous American. Have you ever visited Singapore before. Nobody lives in fear here.
If America would stop meddling with other peoples affairs, the world would be a better place. We wouldn't have problems in Iraq. Who funded the Saddam Hussien in the first place eh?
notpernre 1 year ago
@notpernre Yes yes, america likes to be the international police.
xiiaoDENN 1 year ago
Disneyland with the death penalty. Anybody know about that?
butterflye2020 1 year ago
Really? Singapore seems very boring to me (and I'm Singaporean)
WestliFerZul 1 year ago
shit hole
ary46 2 years ago
@Leizazure: I agree with you. Youths are getting more daring and rude. Well, at least majority of ém..
MrRecklessifyable 2 years ago
singapore is not so good to most of us in here cuse of rude teenagers
Leizazure 2 years ago 2
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ihaterudeamericans 2 years ago
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@Leizazure not all. only the few childish gang members.
ihaterudeamericans 2 years ago
Not to mention whiney workers and some stuck-up senior citizens.But other than that the country is pretty cool :)
SpAmHaCk123 1 year ago
wow wow~
cant belive got people love singapore sia...
sian 1/2~
zomgbbqwth 2 years ago
Never serve NS still dare to lead Sgporeans !
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yousg 2 years ago
i love singapore (singaporean)
jacjo77 2 years ago
i CANT wait to go to Singapore the BEST city i love it!
hinanochick 2 years ago 3
Look forward to my next trip
tykifla 2 years ago 2
love singapore!!
(from:Indonesia)
pionisgood 2 years ago 7
Update the video ! With Singapore Flyer and other new buildings ! :D
wawanMCR8 2 years ago
check out my vids - just came back from this beautiful place yesterday!
john383400 2 years ago 3
Lovely vid. Thanks for sharing!
mycrazymatrix 2 years ago 2
happy 44th birthday SIngapore!
mecora 2 years ago 4
singapore rocks
zachary10alienforce 2 years ago 4
SINGAPORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Captown95 2 years ago 5
hahaha
Singapore people also speak English.
It is our colony.
goduk321 2 years ago
you mean WAS right? Come on, we gained independence from the British in 1963 through merger with Malaysia. S'pore later left and became an independent republic on its own 2 years later.
rtzj 2 years ago 5
IIIIII LLLLLOOOOVVVEEEE
SINGAPORE (comparing to NYC and Tokyo)
521i 2 years ago 2
you love Singapore. That's great :D
We're basically safe from any current natural disasters but seriously, we're living in a concrete jungle ._.
I want to see mountains, valleys, whatever, but eh, with that, I don't think we're that safe anymore :x
v4nd4lz 2 years ago
We love our country and its a great place to live in.
ntuman 2 years ago 4
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if it is so great why does your govt allow child prostitution to flourish?why dont you do more to protect the children?
TrulyOmnipotent 2 years ago
there are no child prostitution here. you must be referring to Thailand.
ntuman 2 years ago 8
Love Singapore!!!
keynxx 2 years ago 7