No I believe there are more efficient ways to playing. If your videos are on drumset technique is not important as long as you do the same thing with the same sound and speed. Moeller is good for one Handed rythem playing. It also uses a "lever" but in his method fluidity puts less strain on the hand by spreading it out. Your technique is not fluid and requires strength in whole arm.
Yes, Moeller uses the arm as a lever. The main difference between the technique I am describing and Moeller is it uses a "whipping" motion--which is great for accents. I use Moeller all the time. Every accent and rimshot I play is Moeller. Also, the lever stroke is not a strength-based, but a MOTION-based technique. The same with Moeller. They both use the momentum of the whole arm to generate a drum stroke. Like Moeller, the lever stroke eliminates strain on the hand by "spreading it out".
@leverstroke Well, it looks to me like your muscling yourself through that single stroke roll. I don't really see how your technique is any different from a regular drumset stroke that I play. Not as exaggerated, I wouldn't need to play that range of motion anyway. I always use a little wrist with regular notes and arm for accented notes.
@leverstroke The lever stroke is different from the moeller stroke because you use the same amount for every stroke and Moeller uses only arm for 1 stroke and the fingers for the other 2. I guess the lever stroke is what you do for open-close-open single and double stroke but don't pass it off as a break-through technique.
Moeller stroke is not supossed to use fingers for the mulitple bounces recieved from the motion. Moeller is all fluid motion based and the motion continues to flow to recieve multiple bounces.
To me, the technique presented in this video seems ridged because of the wrist rotates and looked fixed instead of a fluid lever. It lookes like the "levered stroke" is taken from the marching bass drum stroke and applying it to a horizontal surface.
Well I agree with Jim Chapin. This is aboslutely a pain and tension-free technique. If you try and "muscle" your way around the drums all you are going to do is create a pattern of pain and injuries. With this technique you don't just get a louder sound, you create precision, because the execution of every stroke is almost exactly the same. I don't understand why you view using the whole arm as a negative with the lever stroke, but a positive with Moeller. Appreciate your comments. -Alex
I bet he's deleting the bad comments too. P.S. I don't think that's the secret to being a professional drummer. I haven't once seen Steve smith or Thomas Lang play like flailing retards. Lever stroke. Haha!
He's brain washing you! He's a cocaine addicted hippie freak. Nice shirt and I figured you were glued to the TelePrompTer behind. That was a fine rehearsed solo! The diagram also scared the shit out of me.
WOW!you play THE RUSSIAN CLASSIC GRIP!!!!Today russian drummers want to play like weckl and colaiuta,and lost their tradition.Grip you play looks like german grip,but IT IS NOT!!!!!One old army drummer teach me that grip years ago,and you use it in modern way.I am Andy Petko from Croatia-south east Europe.Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Petko, thank you for your comment. I saw your video on the different grips. I would definitely be interested in any other information you have on this subject.
WELL ALEX!i study grips 21years,after i saw dave weckl video back to basics.grips are my hobby.i am pro percussionist,and i play with about 35 various grips.different grip-different sound.check out modern drummer january 2006-get a grip.but there isn´t information about RUSSIAN grip. russian grip was popular in east europe many years ago,but you upgrade this grip,and combine with moeller.CONGRATULATIOS!!!!
nice lesson and whatnot but you could have fit the whole video into about a minute or so
mildlyconfundeled 6 months ago
Thanks. Glad you grasped the concept so fast. Wish I could have made it shorter too, but I don't know how!!
leverstroke 6 months ago
And all you really get is a louder sound. In the words of Jim chapin "if they say pain Is good, shoot 'em"
ryno6613 1 year ago
No I believe there are more efficient ways to playing. If your videos are on drumset technique is not important as long as you do the same thing with the same sound and speed. Moeller is good for one Handed rythem playing. It also uses a "lever" but in his method fluidity puts less strain on the hand by spreading it out. Your technique is not fluid and requires strength in whole arm.
ryno6613 1 year ago
Yes, Moeller uses the arm as a lever. The main difference between the technique I am describing and Moeller is it uses a "whipping" motion--which is great for accents. I use Moeller all the time. Every accent and rimshot I play is Moeller. Also, the lever stroke is not a strength-based, but a MOTION-based technique. The same with Moeller. They both use the momentum of the whole arm to generate a drum stroke. Like Moeller, the lever stroke eliminates strain on the hand by "spreading it out".
leverstroke 1 year ago
@leverstroke Well, it looks to me like your muscling yourself through that single stroke roll. I don't really see how your technique is any different from a regular drumset stroke that I play. Not as exaggerated, I wouldn't need to play that range of motion anyway. I always use a little wrist with regular notes and arm for accented notes.
TooMuchTimeProducts 1 year ago
@leverstroke The lever stroke is different from the moeller stroke because you use the same amount for every stroke and Moeller uses only arm for 1 stroke and the fingers for the other 2. I guess the lever stroke is what you do for open-close-open single and double stroke but don't pass it off as a break-through technique.
--Ryan
TooMuchTimeProducts 1 year ago
Moeller stroke is not supossed to use fingers for the mulitple bounces recieved from the motion. Moeller is all fluid motion based and the motion continues to flow to recieve multiple bounces.
To me, the technique presented in this video seems ridged because of the wrist rotates and looked fixed instead of a fluid lever. It lookes like the "levered stroke" is taken from the marching bass drum stroke and applying it to a horizontal surface.
BatmanDrummer07 11 months ago
Well I agree with Jim Chapin. This is aboslutely a pain and tension-free technique. If you try and "muscle" your way around the drums all you are going to do is create a pattern of pain and injuries. With this technique you don't just get a louder sound, you create precision, because the execution of every stroke is almost exactly the same. I don't understand why you view using the whole arm as a negative with the lever stroke, but a positive with Moeller. Appreciate your comments. -Alex
leverstroke 1 year ago
I bet he's deleting the bad comments too. P.S. I don't think that's the secret to being a professional drummer. I haven't once seen Steve smith or Thomas Lang play like flailing retards. Lever stroke. Haha!
ryno6613 1 year ago
So you don't believe the arm functions as a lever?
leverstroke 1 year ago
He's brain washing you! He's a cocaine addicted hippie freak. Nice shirt and I figured you were glued to the TelePrompTer behind. That was a fine rehearsed solo! The diagram also scared the shit out of me.
ryno6613 1 year ago
Your totally wrong
ryno6613 1 year ago
WOW!you play THE RUSSIAN CLASSIC GRIP!!!!Today russian drummers want to play like weckl and colaiuta,and lost their tradition.Grip you play looks like german grip,but IT IS NOT!!!!!One old army drummer teach me that grip years ago,and you use it in modern way.I am Andy Petko from Croatia-south east Europe.Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pektus5 2 years ago
Mr. Petko, thank you for your comment. I saw your video on the different grips. I would definitely be interested in any other information you have on this subject.
Regards, Alex
leverstroke 2 years ago
WELL ALEX!i study grips 21years,after i saw dave weckl video back to basics.grips are my hobby.i am pro percussionist,and i play with about 35 various grips.different grip-different sound.check out modern drummer january 2006-get a grip.but there isn´t information about RUSSIAN grip. russian grip was popular in east europe many years ago,but you upgrade this grip,and combine with moeller.CONGRATULATIOS!!!!
pektus5 2 years ago
Wow, your drumming is amazing. You seem so relaxed when you play your kit. I am curious for your next video.
frank0072 2 years ago