The atheist's Moral Relativism Debunked

[1GodOnlyOne]

Morality can only exist in relation to a person with a mind.

By definition, objective moral values transcend all human cultures.

Therefore, objective moral values can only exist in relation to a person who transcends all human cultures.

God is the only person who transcends all human cultures.

Therefore, objective moral values can only exist in relation to God.

[gerhitchman]

There's a difference between unchanging, "absolute" moralities as promoted by theists, and simply "objective" moralities, as promoted by secular moralists, such as utilitarianism. It simply doesn't follow that God is required for objective moralities.

It may be the case that God is required for an "absolute" morality, but there is no proof that absolute and unchanging moralities exist...

[1GodOnlyOne]

@gerhitchman This video does not mention "absolute" morality, so your post is a strawman logical fallacy from the outset.

You are wrong. If God does not exist, then objective morality does not exist.

Yes, there is plenty of proof that unchanging morality exists -- that is part of the definition of objective morality.

[1GodOnlyOne]

Premises:

1. If God does not exist, then objective moral values do not exist.

2. Objective moral values do exist.

Conclusion:

3. Therefore, God exists.

Dr. Craig irrefutably supports both premises, which irrefutably proves the conclusion.

[1GodOnlyOne]

Here is an interesting logical proof for the existence of objective moral ideals:

1. If opposing moral ideals exist,

then some moral ideals are necessarily wrong.*

2. If some moral ideals are wrong,

then objective moral ideals exist.

3. Opposing moral ideals do exist.

4. Therefore, some moral ideals are wrong.

5. Therefore, objective moral ideals exist.

[1GodOnlyOne]

*If two moral ideals oppose each other, then by the rules of logic, both cannot be correct: one or both must necessarily be wrong.

Take the following two opposing moral ideals for example:

1. Morality is objective

2. Morality is not objective

[1GodOnlyOne]

Since morality cannot possibly be "objective" and "not objective" simultaneously, the only conclusion is that one of the above moral ideals must necessarily be wrong.

This conclusion relies on the rules of logic exclusively, and allows an equal possibility of morality being "objective" or "not objective" in the process of making its case: It is an inescapable logical certainty that one of the above moral ideals must be wrong whether morality is idealized as "objective" or "not objective."

[Neoscalex]

If God embraced some moral values, are they not subject(ive) to God's will? If it's the other way round, and God is subject to some moral absolutes, how can it be that they need God to exist?

[1GodOnlyOne]

@Neoscalex Morality can only exist in relation to a person with a mind.

By definition, objective moral values transcend all human cultures.

Therefore, objective moral values can only exist in relation to a person who transcends all human cultures.

God is the only person who transcends all human cultures.

Therefore, objective moral values can only exist in relation to God.

Thanks for asking, and God bless you!

[Frisby412]

Exactly. Wonderful. 

[theantisauronist]

This student/professor anecdote reminds me of what C.S. Lewis said about moral relativists: they're the first one to complain when they perceive they're being treated unfairly.

[DeandresPerez1991]

@1AndonlyGod lol classic (nice )

[1GodOnlyOne]

Premises:

1. If God does not exist, then objective moral values do not exist.

2. Objective moral values do exist.

Conclusion:

3. Therefore, God exists.

Dr. Craig irrefutably supports both premises, which irrefutably proves the conclusion.