"Atheists Can Go To Heaven" Survey Discussion Part 2 - A.E. #586

[hellcielo]

good people go to heaven it does not matter if they are atheist or theist

[Joshuaxiong2]

"I'm Atheist but I believe in God. Not your not!" lol haha

[UnrestfulDeath]

4813 views and not a single dislike? Its a miracle!

[Zentz29]

The "unforgivable sin". lolz

When I was in sunday school I asked a lot of questions. The teacher had no problem with the easy ones, but when she didn't have an answer (most of the time) she would just say "we don't question god" That kinda pissed me off & turned me away from the faith.

Anyway, we got to the "unforgivable sin" part & I thought I found a way out of the class. I just said: "I hate the holy spirit"!

Didn't work & I was to remain absolutly silent in class after that. ='(

[pgomezi]

When Matt says "I don't agree with some of the tactics atheists use" and spaghetti monster becomes seemingly animated and starts to turn and stare at him like "What you talkin' bout" ROFLCOPTER There should really be a puppet show with him, jeebus muhammad and the whole bunch.

[TheSkunkCat]

Oh it's VERY simple.

Fundies of ANY religion belief good things will happen to them when they are dead and bad things to everyone BUT them.

Cafeteria religious people have the view that good people get good things after dead and bad people get bad things.

Both are nonsensical, but the cafetaria type is benign, whereas the fundie version is hostile.

[TheSkunkCat]

@TheSkunkCat

As for those holy books. No one ever reads those. ESPECIALLY not the cafetaria types.

The fundies on the other hand just cherrypick whatever justifies their bigotry from the books.

[SuccubusMagician]

I think atheists can go to heaven, this whole who gets in and who doesn't is kind of ridiculous don't you think? Most of it is just pure speculation, to say you know without a hint of a doubt is pretty absurd.

[Licmycat]

I just hope my Uncle accepted Jesus into his heart before he died....or it would make me cry if he didn't...

[TheFlanker35]

@0:18,

That's actually from Thomas Hobbes. It's an old view. I'm sympathetic to a type of non-religious Christianity. I like many aspects of it, mainly those related to the drive for self-improvement.

[47saeed]

Islam’s teachings preached that Judaism and Christianity are true religions, because it would legitimize itself by building on accepted religions. That is the same reason you have so many different sects in any religion. It is easier to build on a brand name. Lime Coke would sell better than an ordinary lime drink.

[jesseshulman]

@47saeed By oversimplifying, you're setting yourself up to be at least partially wrong - and if you're partially wrong, the wrong part is all the people you're trying to convince will focus on.

[47saeed]

@jesseshulman I am not saying this is the only reason there are so many sects, but it may be an important one.

[baronsengir187]

Cant go to a place that doesnt exist :) 

[alphaelena]

love Matt

[lyricalway]

you started this off wrong, the only person who don't know the Bible is you guys obviously because you believe you are Gods and you have that right but my GOD is in heaven and cannot die like you will.. Good Luck....your gonna need it!

[drche420]

@lyricalway

Oooh Mr. Highground.

I would love for there to a heaven. Not the christian heaven of course, but I would love to believe in an afterlife. The only reason I don't is because there is no evidence to suggest that such a place exists. Faith is moronic, and causes you to waste your one and only life slaving away to impress your imaginary friend in order to be rewarded with a nonexistant spot in "heaven".

[Awesomesome]

You are atheists saying that certain Christians don't understand their own religion? Jeez. Come on now.

[AndrewSummers]

@Awesomesome and we're right...

[Awesomesome]

@AndrewSummers You don't take part in a belief system and say that others are doing that belief system incorrectly. How can you know?

[supah4xor]

@Awesomesome Just remember that Matt is an ex fundementalist preacher, and so by what you are sayin is that say for example Maradona (an ex football / soccer player) cant turn round and say that another current player that is still playing is shit and cant do it properly. So yes he can say that!

[Awesomesome]

@supah4xor Not all Christians share all the same beliefs. I hope you realize that.

[supah4xor]

@Awesomesome I know that, but you were basicly saying that an atheist couldnt say that a theist was taking part in their belief system incorrectly but he is an ex fundementalist preacher and so therefore know the workings of the belief systems and so can know and say that others are doing in wrongly even if he doesnt believe the systematic workings anymore

[Awesomesome]

@supah4xor That's certainly something I didn't know about him, but it doesn't render me wrong. If you don't share the belief system of someone else you aren't in a position to tell them they don't understand it. He may have once been a Christian, but not all Christians share the same belief and therefore his particular sect still does not give him the right to tell one of another sect that they do not understand their own beliefs.

[supah4xor]

@Awesomesome Well yes actually it can be done by anyone, just aslong as this person knows how the people within the system should be acting and observe that they are not acting how they should to fit their belief structure then you can say that they are not acting how they should. For example ive never gone fishing and know very little about it, but if i see someone casting their hook into a paddling pool then i am justified to exclaim that they are doing it wrong

[Awesomesome]

@supah4xor The difference is knowing "how they should be acting". You can tell the fisher they are doing it wrong because they actually can't catch fish that way. It's not so easy to see how someone can or can't catch God's splendor.

[supah4xor]

@Awesomesome No but Matt is talking about how a large percentage of each religion mentioned, especially the 2 main christian branchs (catholic and protestant) at 74% believed that non theists could still get into their religions heaven. Whereas if they were true hardcore believers of their religion they in reality they should believe that the only way to their heaven was to believe in their religion, but high majorities dont believe that and so they are not follow their religion correctly

[drche420]

@Awesomesome

Actually, you're wrong. Matt knows 1000s of times more about christianity than you EVER will. He is a full out expert compared to you, so I would shut your mouth and learn a thing or two.

[Awesomesome]

@drche420 I didn't make any claim about Matt's or my own level of knowledge. I don't care if he does know "1000s of times more" than I.

[drche420]

@Awesomesome

Because we have critically examined that belief system. Believe it or not, most of us used to be theists until our studies in our faiths revealed how unbelievable and unsubstantiated all of the ridiculous claims were.

[drche420]

@Awesomesome

I can't see your point. Please, elaborate so we can see exactly how ignorant of atheism you are.

[Awesomesome]

@drche420 I am glad to elaborate, but I don't know to which comment that's a reply.

[Awesomesome]

@drche420 Let me rephrase to maybe make what I'm saying clearer. There is nothing in the phrase "American white evangelical" that means those people must believe atheists cannot go to heaven.

[johntheother]

It has just occurred to me that Matt Dillahunty bears a close resemblance to Father Grigori from HL2 -

[Forserean]

Fat white bald guy?

We all look alike to me.

[kcolumbusgirl]

"inter Heavan"

'nuff said. lol

[tecnoblix]

It means that Jesus is the embodiment of the magic mushroom and the only way you can see "God" is if you eat of his "flesh". Go John Allegro!

[kyokumajr]

They are talking about Heaven & an after life because that is what the survey asked for.

You believing something, especially without any evidence, does not make it reality.

[JoonasFinland]

What makes you think that it's purely good what you believe in? If you believe in the Judeo-Christian God, dude, he's not purely good. He's the biggest sadist in the whole history of literature and He's even worse than Satan.

[me1513]

If you people can move on and try to "save" someone else why do i still get mormans an my door every two weeks

[rtarbinar]

they're like telemarketers...they don't all have the same "no-call" list. :P

[thesunofjuda]

Awesome upload guy!

[a68rebel]

It means that Jesus is the Way & the light! He is the only way where you will inter Heavan. Repent and pray for forgivness!!!!!

[kyokumajr]

Poe lol

[drche420]

@a68rebel

lol too funny

[Azurewrath232]

@a68rebel you go inter heavan i will go to heaven when i die laughing at you're spelling fails.

[MrFloatingrock]

@a68rebel by pray for forgiveness you mean bow down of fear

[eclipticsphere17]

as an atheist, and I think others can agree, that it is heretical for a christian to believe atheists will be accepted into heaven. That may make the person a more caring, tolerant individual, but it makes them a bad christian. sorry if my comment was basically stated in the vid

[kyokumajr]

lol I don't mind.

There are different branches of Xianity, some might be ok with nonbelievers going to heaven; but then it makes no sense to me to be a follower of their faith since you'll get (or "can get") to the good spot anyway.

[Looneveli]

i'd say it'd be even worse for them to believe a Hindu could get to heaven, especially since they believe only ONE god gets worshipped or he gets pissed

[menschherbert]

thx for the vid

[kyokumajr]

You're welcome