seriously, did the script writers just "forget" the TNG episodes with Lore? Data's "brother?" Why do they have the cast acting like they never saw another Data robot before?
when I look at this scene it seems a bit amateurish and probably why it was cut but then it strikes me it's perhaps because the actors are too comfortable. they are probably really good people and happy and they are enjoying and relaxing in the process. too comfortable in a way.
one might also simply point out that data could simply replicate however many of himself he wanted unless they are alluding to an untouchable soul.
What is it Riker says at 1:10? Is he saying, "It's a family"?
But, aww, poor Data. He finally find a brother who is not a total psycho but instead he's a prototype with no guarantee to ever become a "normal" person. How disappointed Data must feel. I believe tough, that had Data lived, he would have learned to accept and love B-4 even if that was the case.
And I really think there was too little B-4 in the movie. He wasn't treated like a new brother, but as a plot tool only. How sad.
@leavellscott0481 I have no idea. I'd say it's because the audience expects more and more action these days but Nemesis was pretty full of character moments (many of them bad, unfortunately), so I have no answer.
Wtf... the last several seconds of this scene was actual proper sci-fi. If they had writers that could write that, who the FUCK was responsible for the travesty that was Nemesis?
I think it would have been nice had the TNG cast had one final film that dealt with the Q character but I guess that John De Lancie would have been too old to play the character since he was 54 when Nemesis was released.
@bigabs18281 Sorry, I was watching Rifftrax before I saw this and I was just commenting on the unfinished effects with the extra that was in the shot on one side but not the other
I'm a HUGE Star Trek fan and so is my friend Chris, who is 36 years old. He says they "pussified" Star Trek with this movie. They KILLED DATA?! Data really even go out in a blaze of glory. He died in a wimpy way like Kirk did in Generations. Its so sad that Star Trek is practically dead now. That new movie isn't even classic Star Trek. Its just a sad state of affairs. It all started with that raspy-voiced smoker lesbian Janeway.
This film is about opposites! Picard's opposite or shadow was Shinzon (cold, angry, rigid, capable of dreadful things), Data's opposite was B4 (slow, weak, stupid). I didn't like the film at first, but now, being a bit wiser, i really see what this film is about! I mean, who likes to see one's opposite in oneself, to face it?
This film is about facing your own shadow, your own darkness, for who better to mirror our character other than the people we meet? This is a great but underrated film!
actually, I find this film the only one in the TNG big screen saga to have an cinematographic intention...i do not have complains regarding the stories of the other TNG films, but the budget and production were very low. Nevetherless, I think that the death of data wasn't necessary at all.
@brav0wing Interesting viewpoint. Still doesn't cancel out the majority of the film's crummy bits (like that assassination scene at the beginning, Picard violating the prime directive, the fact that LORE was out there and the writers didn't even touch him, Data's lame-ass pointless death..)
@Stigmatainmypants Okay, I just have to point out that Lore was NOT out there. They deactivated and disessembled him, not to mention the fact that he's EVIL and has a very bad ethics program.
B-4 does eventually becomes Data in the comics. He takes command of the Enterprise when Captian Picard retires from Starfleet, and becomes the Ambassador to Vulcan. This happened right before Romulus was destroyed.
I think Worf should have made some mention of Jadzia, so as to acknowledge the fact that he was married, although we can assume that Riker and Troi and the others obviously knew. I am not sure whether it is meant to be "Ten Forward", it seems more like a mess hall type place like they had on Voyager.
From what I understand, the windows on starships are made of "transparent aluminum" (Star Trek 4 reference) which makes them extremely strong and durable.
The E is a Sovereign class which strikes me as more battle ready than the Galaxy class, so smaller windows would make sense cos its probably harder for a phaser, disrupter or torpedo to get through armour plate than transparent Aluminium.
Data's expression at the end confuses me a bit. Is he embarassed? Or is he disappointed, maybe he expected more from B-4? Or maybe it's sadness? Unless it's all of them together! :)
Hmm - how awkward... I mean talking about their wedding in front of Worf who 1. Was dating Deanna Troi after Riker. 2. The recent loss of Worf's own wife.
I like this scene. There's nothing wrong with it. I think it wasnt added because it would of thrown off the action pace of the movie, action was totally the theme in this one. Hopefully they add it in the dvd with no more deleted scenes.
They killed all of these personal TNG Crew scenes just in favor of the action scenes.
SchmidtFilms86 2 weeks ago
@SchmidtFilms86 I got a bad feeling thats right.
an a shame because its those fine little moments that made tng the great series it was.
vcorani 1 week ago
seriously, did the script writers just "forget" the TNG episodes with Lore? Data's "brother?" Why do they have the cast acting like they never saw another Data robot before?
lulz, I'm lame.
Purplecatsoup30 1 month ago
@Purplecatsoup30 Well lore was as complete as data. b4 was... Diffrent
Mrlaged 3 weeks ago
when I look at this scene it seems a bit amateurish and probably why it was cut but then it strikes me it's perhaps because the actors are too comfortable. they are probably really good people and happy and they are enjoying and relaxing in the process. too comfortable in a way.
one might also simply point out that data could simply replicate however many of himself he wanted unless they are alluding to an untouchable soul.
DanFrederiksen 2 months ago
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mrteemumilto 2 months ago
What is it Riker says at 1:10? Is he saying, "It's a family"?
But, aww, poor Data. He finally find a brother who is not a total psycho but instead he's a prototype with no guarantee to ever become a "normal" person. How disappointed Data must feel. I believe tough, that had Data lived, he would have learned to accept and love B-4 even if that was the case.
And I really think there was too little B-4 in the movie. He wasn't treated like a new brother, but as a plot tool only. How sad.
suizokukan 2 months ago 2
I think i know why they deleted this scene: At 0:54, check out the lame editing.
horaciosi 2 months ago
This ten forward is so uncomfortable and cramped looking compared to the E-D.
TheAtheistFuture 2 months ago
All these deleted scenes have so much heart and soul and mind, why did they have to go!
ThatsMrFrank 3 months ago
Why did they delete all the good scenes?
llamapi3 4 months ago
@llamapi3 So that we could have discoveries of our own.
LordHannigan 3 months ago
Worf should have mentioned Jadzia
CIarKent 4 months ago
These were the scenes that actually made it feel TNG, and of course they delete them.
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10 forward looks like Enterprise NX-01 mess hall... because it is
mkoo 5 months ago
10 forward looks like my junior high lunch room......
shannonohara 5 months ago
Data likely tells others that B4 is "a work in progress" LOL
acer3573 6 months ago
I am reminded so much of Rain Man by this scene!
ThePurpleman21 6 months ago
datas brother is mentaly challenged
chockn 6 months ago
There is no spoon
Tris2006 7 months ago 6
Why do they delete moments of intense character development?!
leavellscott0481 7 months ago
@leavellscott0481 I have no idea. I'd say it's because the audience expects more and more action these days but Nemesis was pretty full of character moments (many of them bad, unfortunately), so I have no answer.
Azakhiel 7 months ago
They should not have stopped there, but delete the entire film!
marcd30319 8 months ago
@marcd30319 Maybe I hall delete you next time I see you
Perry12able 7 months ago
data has done that before, tried to teach another android, thats probably why he looked so sad in the end of this clip
firebirddrumer 8 months ago
1:35 - I love that "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING" look that Data has on his face. They should have kept this in the movie. Hilarious.
vlweb3d 8 months ago 3
Wtf... the last several seconds of this scene was actual proper sci-fi. If they had writers that could write that, who the FUCK was responsible for the travesty that was Nemesis?
LGD3 9 months ago
Once again, proof that they left the best moments from Nemesis (the few that there were) on the cutting room floor.
sickphil71 9 months ago 3
That was so sweet! It reminded me so much of Lal. Very heartfelt, I would have loved to have seen this in the movie.
RazFan11 9 months ago 2
Nice way to slow the movie down to a crawl....I can see why this scene got deleted.
KenoshiAkai 9 months ago
it is funny how people appear and dissappear
asosua 9 months ago
If they made a movie around Q it would have been the best Star Trek movie ever.
smcneal057 9 months ago
The spoon is soooo entertaining.
turtleturtle9333 10 months ago
Q sucks cock
lovelace64 10 months ago
I think it would have been nice had the TNG cast had one final film that dealt with the Q character but I guess that John De Lancie would have been too old to play the character since he was 54 when Nemesis was released.
monstermayhem32 11 months ago
@KooturKoot EVERYONE LOOKS FAT ! YAY ! LETS SEE WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU HIT 60, I WANT PICTURES !
FormalStudiesCZ 1 year ago
aww, B4 is so cute. He's like a child. I always thought of Data as a child, but B4 is totally an infant.
msinvincible2000 1 year ago 20
@msinvincible2000 has anyone forgotten Lal Data's daughter
makutateridax200 1 month ago
@makutateridax200 of course not, but she's dead
msinvincible2000 1 month ago
@msinvincible2000 data must be using the same teaching program here i see some similar scenes here that are also seen when data taught lal
makutateridax200 1 month ago
awww... Data looks so sad :'( should have kept this in the film, it was sweet ^_^
TheSecretdahlia 1 year ago 4
@TheSecretdahlia I was just thinking that. You can tell from his reaction he was disapointed by B4.
GESSO217 11 months ago 2
Really good, they should have put this in the movie.
michaelhviper 1 year ago
At 1:33, I almost expected B4 to hang the spoon on his nose!
PotatoUPrincess 1 year ago
haha and it's also funny the look Data gives Troi. It's almost a 'Help me...' look XD
greenheartcandle 1 year ago
I wish they had added this! i think it fits perfectly in with the movie, especially how the ending goes... :'(
greenheartcandle 1 year ago 3
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asuch874 1 year ago
Is that Lore?
Phantomerik24 1 year ago
@Phantomerik24 That's B-4, the model that preceded Lore.
CaptainPimpSlap 1 year ago
did anyone see the amazing temporal portal in the scene?
davincent98 1 year ago
@davincent98 what??!
bigabs18281 1 year ago
@bigabs18281 Sorry, I was watching Rifftrax before I saw this and I was just commenting on the unfinished effects with the extra that was in the shot on one side but not the other
davincent98 1 year ago
LOL! B4 i just like "Omg! What the fuck is thi- WHOA! IT'S REFLECTIVE AND SHINY!"
golden24680 1 year ago 25
Klingon honey moon for the win
hugamumfterwoof 1 year ago
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asuch874 1 year ago
Data looks embarrassed.
smcneal057 1 year ago 8
Holy shit Worf!!!
bullworth3040 1 year ago
Worf is a bigger buzz kill than Buzz Killington.
jimbopumbapigsticks 1 year ago
B-4's face XD
Jiffybob47 1 year ago
data looked so sad. i cried at the last few data scenes from the movie. i really like data. he comes second next to cmdr wtr.
imzadiforever 1 year ago
Biggest mistake was not getting Ron Moore and Ira Behr in to write this film.
boxa1500 1 year ago 2
Everyone stare at the special child.
But seriously.. Data isnt just dissapointed in B4.. he looks fuckin pissed off in the last ten seconds of the video!
RedDawnJensen 1 year ago 7
This isn't on the DVD, this and the bit where Wesley actually speaks
Barneystudioz 1 year ago
enterprise d ten forward, voyager mess hall, enterprise e ten forward, nx01 mess hall, all are the same set :P
mkoo 1 year ago
So is this the equivilant of Ten Forward on the Enterprise E?
blammers 1 year ago
@blammers No that's the mess hall Ten Forward was an actual Bar on the Enterprise D.
boxa1500 1 year ago
I like the Spooooon
TheBoochan82 1 year ago
HOW can any self respecting writer/director even DREAM up this crap?
saquist 1 year ago
I'm a HUGE Star Trek fan and so is my friend Chris, who is 36 years old. He says they "pussified" Star Trek with this movie. They KILLED DATA?! Data really even go out in a blaze of glory. He died in a wimpy way like Kirk did in Generations. Its so sad that Star Trek is practically dead now. That new movie isn't even classic Star Trek. Its just a sad state of affairs. It all started with that raspy-voiced smoker lesbian Janeway.
mrjustin5 1 year ago
First I thought that B4 is Lore.
tubewatcher77 1 year ago
1:46
I LIEK TEH SPOOON.
xNatALi3xz 1 year ago
1:35! PRETTY SHINY OBJECT! B4 is so amusingly slow! What a weird and disturbing family the Soongs are!
Titaniacy 1 year ago 4
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@Titaniacy and all of them are the same person. hehe
kefka3 1 year ago
*sigh* I wish Worf had at least mentioned Dax.
bamapagedesign 1 year ago
the enterprise E is maded as a assault class cruiser uno galaxy class wa sonly for Exploration thats why they had so softy episodes in TNG
niels332 1 year ago
"If they survive..." lol
rmatrem 2 years ago
@rmatrem yeah, that made me laugh too.
SnuffyWuffles 2 years ago
somebody to spoon with
supermanfan62 2 years ago
JJ says that star trek Countdown is canon but paramount dosent make it canon untill ist seen on screen.
sturoman 2 years ago
I don't remember worf doing all that stuff with dax
spikeS1983emp 2 years ago 5
dax got killed befor the honymoon. and there was a war on so they probobly couldent leve DS9
MrWooaa 2 years ago
@spikeS1983emp Dax wanted 2 do something "super" relaxing.
asuch874 1 year ago
jesus Ten Forward sucks ass on the enterprise E. it looks like they used wall sections from scott baccula's enterprise.
illustriouschin 2 years ago 2
its not as luxurious as the galaxy class, e was essentially a battleship made to combat the borg.
nxmoparmatt84 2 years ago
Worf's one to talk about honeymoons...How rough was Casperia Prime, again?
DHeroDarkMagicianGuy 2 years ago 5
This film is about opposites! Picard's opposite or shadow was Shinzon (cold, angry, rigid, capable of dreadful things), Data's opposite was B4 (slow, weak, stupid). I didn't like the film at first, but now, being a bit wiser, i really see what this film is about! I mean, who likes to see one's opposite in oneself, to face it?
This film is about facing your own shadow, your own darkness, for who better to mirror our character other than the people we meet? This is a great but underrated film!
brav0wing 2 years ago 7
actually, I find this film the only one in the TNG big screen saga to have an cinematographic intention...i do not have complains regarding the stories of the other TNG films, but the budget and production were very low. Nevetherless, I think that the death of data wasn't necessary at all.
trekie01 2 years ago 3
@brav0wing Interesting viewpoint. Still doesn't cancel out the majority of the film's crummy bits (like that assassination scene at the beginning, Picard violating the prime directive, the fact that LORE was out there and the writers didn't even touch him, Data's lame-ass pointless death..)
Stigmatainmypants 1 year ago
@Stigmatainmypants Okay, I just have to point out that Lore was NOT out there. They deactivated and disessembled him, not to mention the fact that he's EVIL and has a very bad ethics program.
MaidenMarian 1 year ago
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LORE! B-4 SUCKS!
ahh, xanatos, demona, coldstone, and puck, the gang's back together
javenetti 2 years ago 2
Lore sucks. B-4 could be the next Data. Yay for B-4!
estherdestiny 2 years ago 2
B-4 does not have the mental capacity to rival even a dog, so you are wrong.
illustriouschin 2 years ago
B-4 does eventually becomes Data in the comics. He takes command of the Enterprise when Captian Picard retires from Starfleet, and becomes the Ambassador to Vulcan. This happened right before Romulus was destroyed.
estherdestiny 2 years ago 3
the comics are non-canonical
illustriouschin 2 years ago
That's true.
estherdestiny 2 years ago
Pity that this scene wasn't in the film!
It reminds me the scene from The Offspring, where Data teaches his daughter Lal how to behave in social groups!
brav0wing 2 years ago 5
poor data at 1:42.
jared4wally 2 years ago 4
I love Klingon honeymoons!
brav0wing 2 years ago 2
Data looks soo sad! Oh no, my brother is retard!
He is an android but still a retard!
Dad, why didn't you just recycle him and spare me the humilation?
mszs 2 years ago 17
what makes it really sad is that B-4 is his OLDER brother.
Slimer2x3 2 years ago 6
LMAO @ 1:34
xDD
Mightytallestpurple2 2 years ago
"There is no spoon"
I bet Data was trying to teach him that LOL.
Coraxuss 2 years ago 9
I love B4's "Lolwut." face. Add's so such humour to the character.
Grykus7 2 years ago 7
yea, lolwut is a good way to describe B4's face. His jerky body motions are funny too.
johnniemoonwalker 2 years ago 6
Wish they would make an extended cut of Nemesis.
thebahana 2 years ago 5
nice edit..added visuals and sound make it nice. Wish they had kept this in the movie.
simeetg 2 years ago 3
Data wasn't embaressed by his daughter Lol but B4 has his face and voice etc....
jack9911 2 years ago 3
This is a sad scene
Zube1337 2 years ago 7
I always wished the had done a Star Trek movie centered around Q.
clokverkorange 2 years ago 24
Q is da BOMB! I love him! One of the best characters of the ST franchise. :)
PhillyGal4Ever 2 years ago 19
Q should be in star trek 2 and screw with the new younger old generation crew because the timeline changed.
wesker100000000 2 years ago 6
ITA with that!
PhillyGal4Ever 2 years ago
@PhillyGal4Ever dont meant to sound rude but wtf u and this other guy mentioning Q for??
bigabs18281 1 year ago
@PhillyGal4Ever one of the best antagonists ever.
BennoBlue 9 months ago
Not really sure why this was rated down.....I guess someone doesn't like Q.
clokverkorange 2 years ago
At least a cameo in one of the movies would of been great....hell they somehow put whoppie goldberg character in....why not Q?
countblah31 2 years ago 5
They can't now can they?
John de Lancie (the guy who played Q) has passed away now, hasnt he?
:(
so sad...
Malbo22 2 years ago
Um. No. He's alive and has a movie in production.
clokverkorange 2 years ago 6
Oh sorry! My mistake!
Next time I hear a story like that I should really check its validity. Thanks for the correction.
Malbo22 2 years ago 3
@clokverkorange Indeed. But Q is in his own way "good" so he rly cant be a villan. Ok, he is very arrogant, but that just makes him even cooler :D
BarlytheDwarf 1 year ago
@clokverkorange Same.
GhostOfACPast 11 months ago
1:32
THERE IS NO SPOON.
SirMick84 3 years ago 5
Brent Spiner is a brilliant actor - look at how much he can say with just one facial expression!
SpinerFan 3 years ago 6
I think Worf should have made some mention of Jadzia, so as to acknowledge the fact that he was married, although we can assume that Riker and Troi and the others obviously knew. I am not sure whether it is meant to be "Ten Forward", it seems more like a mess hall type place like they had on Voyager.
schnabby 3 years ago
Ten forward on E seems so cold, sad, utalitiarian and uninviting.
kendrawhisp 3 years ago 2
Those large windows on D were a decompression hazard if they had struck space dust anyway.
GorterPoss 3 years ago 4
From what I understand, the windows on starships are made of "transparent aluminum" (Star Trek 4 reference) which makes them extremely strong and durable.
Damndrrtyapes 2 years ago 3
The E is a Sovereign class which strikes me as more battle ready than the Galaxy class, so smaller windows would make sense cos its probably harder for a phaser, disrupter or torpedo to get through armour plate than transparent Aluminium.
emperoroftheverse 2 years ago
Data's expression at the end confuses me a bit. Is he embarassed? Or is he disappointed, maybe he expected more from B-4? Or maybe it's sadness? Unless it's all of them together! :)
Brent Spiner really is such a fantastic actor.
Kriselia 3 years ago 7
did worf do that on his honey moon with jadzia?
eddddedddd 3 years ago
Worf and Jadzia went to Riza if I am correct. Jadzia's idea to go not Worfs at all.
kuribo1 2 years ago
is b4 in many scenes(haven't seen it yet...)?
potophan2006 3 years ago
LOL even a Klingon Honeymoon's a battle.
EvolutionStratus 3 years ago 2
You gotta love those Klingon's and their 'rituals'!
PhillyGal4Ever 2 years ago 2
I wonder what female Klingon masturbation rituals look like...
jakemiller5000 2 years ago
it probobly involvs a barbed dildo and some BDSM.
MrWooaa 2 years ago
This scene should have been kept in.
They cut too many 'character scenes' in Nemesis.
SeanMaccaUK 3 years ago 3
Data's face at 1:41 says it all
lol
ThatsGlitchin 3 years ago 2
Damn. I didn't realise how small "Ten Forward" was on the Enterprise E.
RegBeta 3 years ago 3
Troi is such a tramp. How is she gonna flaunt her marriage in front in Worf like that?
thanks51 3 years ago 8
She theoretically knows that Worf had been married and felt comfortable talking with him.
myndhold 3 years ago 3
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What the hell was that? Good thing they cut this scene out LOL.
Calinks 3 years ago
Kinda sucks for Warf being that he had the hots for Diana there.
mannyzx 3 years ago 2
poor worf lost his wife Jadzia Dax in ds9
BorgHub 3 years ago 4
Perhaps he just misses what they once had, even though it didn't work out. Klingons have a hard time forgetting!
redmancheyenne 3 years ago 2
Lol Klingons are too funny
TheArtsyTuber 3 years ago
You're funny
teemuruskeepaa 3 years ago
lol @ the blue/green screen constantly sucking the edges of Rikers head.
klingondude 3 years ago 5
Lol. that was sweet
pipilo1717 3 years ago
I like the glance between Data and Troi at the end of the scene, the slight embarassment.
Chocolateluvr1987 3 years ago 5
haha Worf: "...If they *survive* the challenge, then move on..." lmao, Klingon honeymoons sound like fun.
nsx3000 3 years ago 2
Hmm - how awkward... I mean talking about their wedding in front of Worf who 1. Was dating Deanna Troi after Riker. 2. The recent loss of Worf's own wife.
Tanru2000 3 years ago 4
It explains much
terrychristmas 3 years ago
I like this scene. There's nothing wrong with it. I think it wasnt added because it would of thrown off the action pace of the movie, action was totally the theme in this one. Hopefully they add it in the dvd with no more deleted scenes.
smrio 3 years ago
Did nothing to enhance the story but nice to see Trek crew hanging out.
thanks51 3 years ago
LOL, klingon wedding rituals - classic !!!
brav0wing 3 years ago
B4 is like a retarded child. All we need is the DUHHHHHHHH and GAGAGAGAGAGAG and the illusion is complete.
LivesForJihad 3 years ago 6
aww, i thought it was kind of cute. lol.
mattainr 3 years ago 5
This would have added nothing to the film. They leave stuff on the cutting room floor for a reason.
MrNeutronSF 3 years ago
This scene is very cool! They should've left it in the film. Data! Data! Poor Data.
wlt777 3 years ago 3
indeed lore was so bad en b4 is so stupid.
dens85 3 years ago 4
B4 was incredibly lame. I'm surprised they didn't come up with something better.
thanks51 3 years ago 16
Every one look old as hell, especially Troi, she shouldn't have had plastic surgery
fordsucks2 3 years ago
Its Data's retarded brother, Bubba...
shafty1968 3 years ago 5
That's B4, dr Soong's other creature. He created B4 before Data ;)
nyiffi 3 years ago 3
That's not Lore, is it?
Nightwingrox 3 years ago
Not too shabby! :)
ToneHufford 3 years ago