if it dosnt affect birds why did d.o.c remove the breading kiwis from okarito forrest before they droped 1080 in the kiwi sancury? and why was it that 7 out of the 10 keas monitered during that 1080 drop died of 1080 poisoning? you know hitler would be proud of the proper gander that is being spread by d.o.c and the polititions that own the company that imports the poison! look it up! its all public knowledge.
@StonedStill in reality no breeding kiwi were removed from Okarito. Eggs have been removed from the kiwi sanctuary for many years as part of a breeding programme to boost the population. Kea are killed by possums and stoats, are you concerned about that fact? You should be because the same research that showed you that 7 kea died is also showing you that there are potential benefits to be gained by using 1080 to kill possums, rats and stoats.
This product is toxic to wildlife. Birds and mammals feeding on carcasses of contaminated animals may be fatally poisoned. . Dehydrated carcasses may remain dangerous to dogs or cats for an indefinite period. A single mouse poisoned by 1080 may contain enough poison to kill an adult dog.
Sodium fluoroacetate may be present for many months in the carcasses of poisoned animals; thus presenting a secondary poisoning danger to carnivorous birds and mammals. .1080 wastes are ecotoxic...May be fatal if swallowed.
.SYMPTOMS OF POISONING:Early Symptoms: Nausea, vomiting, tingling and numbness in face and hands, stomach pains,apprehension and anxiety.
Later Symptoms: Muscular twitching, blurred vision, mental confusion.
Severe Symptoms: Coma, convulsions.6. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES ensure people,pets, livestock, wildlife and fish will not be exposed to the dilute toxic run-off.
of reach of children. Ecotoxic.Acutely toxic. May be fatal if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. Repeated oral exposure may cause reproductive or
developmental damage. Toxic to terrestrial vertebrates. Take
measures to reduce the risk of non-target animals being exposed to the toxin either through eating baits or by scavenging the carcasses of poisoned animals.
Harmful to aquatic organisms.Avoid pollution of any water supply
i will post some excerpts from the official safety data sheet that the 1080 supplier must by law produce, makes interesting reading. you can view the whole thing at pestoff website
@pwtmusic from the 1080 safety data sheet,it is factual information that must be supplied by law from the manufacturer. excerpt: Acutely toxic. May be fatal if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. Repeated oral exposure may cause reproductive or developmental damage. Harmful to aquatic organisms. Avoid pollution of any water supply .may be present for many months in the carcasses of poisoned animals; thus presenting a secondary poisoning danger to carnivorous birds and mammals.
@pwtmusic you have no idea.. it kills everything.. here in my town d.o.c monitered 10 native kea..
known to be the most intelegent bird on the planet! they killed 7 out of that 10 that had tracking collars on. and thats only what they were monitering. the 1080 poison had an anti bird repellnet in it aswell.. your stupid to think it dosnt kill everything! there is no known antidote for 1080 poisoning.. where they drop the baits are in along the waterways
@StonedStill that is simply not true. The correct number is seven out of 37. In other words 81% survival. The same research is showing that kea are suffering a higher death rate from predators. Why aren't you concerned about that?
You're telling the very people who work with 1080, and in 1080 areas, and themselves hunt in 1080 areas, that they have no idea? Yet you yourself have all the answers - when you can't even string together a coherent sentence?
No offence - but the absence of an antidote for 1080, means nothing to the effectiveness of it when used as a pest control agent in New Zealand. What do you think of the antidote for cyanide (dying in 120 seconds?) Does that register with you?
Hi Trakabat, i look around the youtube world about when rats Attact if you did nothing about the rats ect, you wont have a Island if they take over, looks like too me a war is going on,not only are you saving birds ect as i see it you are doing something too help eveyone,
trakabat dont be upset with me i just trying to unstand and i do sometime post my feeling before the facts( SORRY) I think you have a very cool job one i would be proud to have and yes a dog or cat can get hit by a car and accident do happen and reading your reply comments on others,, Is understanding from your point of view
I was watching videos where you can see a lot of animals and pets that are killed and this upset me and people protesting this1080 and your birds are ok that great I love birds too and New Zealand how is it that you protect the birds from eatting it ,is this a Job you do for your country,I dont live in New Zealand , I do like your video very much and it look like there a need for control but this 1080 looks like a bad way of dying and there no control of where this 1080 lands
it dont kill birds just other animals and pets? your video on 1080 not like any other video does your queen pay you or is this just your part in helping the birds to make sure there no dead one?
@imageandlikeness the bush isnt yours to suck dry, those rats and possums are our fault they shouldnt be there at ALL.... if you want meat get it from the butcher..
Why is it that you have spammed the you tube channels with your DOC funded propaganda? Seems like an overactive response to something if you really feel their is no problem with it. Could it be that you are a shill working on behalf of the $100mil poison industry to spread your lies to misinform people and create enough doubt to keep people confused?
Why is 1080 either banned or being banned wordwide? Why does nz apply it indescriminately and contrary ti international guidelines? 6 states in usa onlyallowd use it then only in sheep collars 4 coyotes and a bill this year may end that. We are nearly the only dumb ass country in the world using it now .Facts speak 4 themselves.Now why is that? nearly 1005 of world prod.
Why Would Doc say we will use 1080 until an alternatives found ? Why trakabat? answer without spin plz
Gunnaterry, 1080 isn't banned worldwide, NZ does not apply it indiscriminately, we are not in breach of international guidelines, we are not the only country using 1080, we do not have a viable alternative to 1080 that works on the scale needed, it is biodegradable, it does a great job of protecting our environment from pests and predators.
@TrakaBat oki doki cheers ian .... The keyword is NEARLY regards banned..Surely with modern technology and kiwi ingenuity aerial drop methods can be designed for target species only eg weighted capsules designed to penetrate ground upright ??? ... cost is irrelevant .. It's still bad stuff..only time til exports are contaminated n world pressure say no more
Gunnaterry, a lot of effort is going towards alternative pest control methods. However, 1080 sets the benchmark very high. Cost is always relevant. 1080 isn't the bad stuff that it's made out to be; there hasn't been a death from an aerial 1080 operation in 60-years of use. I doubt that there will be an export contamination simply because it isn't a cumulative toxin and it's biodegradable.
@gunnaterry you need to make a choice either its two islands covered in rats stotes and possums or you use the ONLY VIABLE METHOD available to control them on this scale. Your choice mate, you need to break a few eggs to make an omlette sadly....
@gunnaterry because its perhaps the only country with no land mammals, and since thats what the poison targets it makes sense to use it. Its not ideal, but you need to make a choice. either its two islands devoid of bird life and full of nothing but possums and rats, or you do the best you can to save them. Can you answer why it is that most of the 1080 opponents are hunters?
@KaylinJH NZ does have land mammels, deer pigs goats chamios tahr wapiti and they are all in LOW numbers already, go out in the bush and try find any of these mammels that are in high numbers or native bush that is in danger from over population............ tell me when u have found an area in need of a 1080 drop please
@MrNgm12345 1080 is killing everything m8. i'v seen it for my self. try going in to a area after it has been covered in 1080 poison and then see what you think ?? 1080 is a small price to pay for a huge positive result WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT !!! maby for DOC and animal health board because they dont no what its doing to this country. how would you like 1080 poison in your own back yard.
Actually the opposite is true. Biodegradable 1080 breaks down into components that are already naturally present in the environment. By using it to suppress possums and rodents we maintain healthy forests and this has a positive benefit in the control of greenhouse gases.
by kill of birds is an issue and can or could have a potentially significant impact(doc oic in charge of 25000ha operations own comments)Dave taylor to be precise.Current waitutu risk assessment . 2 ops 40 banded robins 25% gone. and at low rates. nz falcon kakariki n others v little research 2 date.Only 11 species have had in depth? monitoring. Potential 2 threaten viability of some species is real.holy moly trckabat this is direct off doc risk assess so quit saying bykill not issue
Why does EVERYTHING you say sounds prerehearsed? Is that why you wont allow free post? To gather well coached answers from your superiors? The only bird I ever wanted to save was the moa, and they disappeared 1,000 years at the hands of the hungry natives! The surviving native birds have more to contend with than just hungry stoats and possums... Does anyone check what their pet pussycats and dogs do roaming the bush? What about the rats?
Not exactly a constructive bit of dialogue, oxyaena. If my answers sound rehearsed it is a reflection on the narrowness of the questions. My superiors don't coach the responses here. I don't allow free comments because anti-1080 activists just spam and abuse it.
Playing God again? All of this poisoning of the land just to save a few archaic birds, and kill off a few possums and stoats, is going to have devastating effects on the flora, fauna and people, just wait and see? MOTHER EARTH SHALL SURVIVE!
Oxyaena, the land is not contaminated. We value our native birds in this country and we see no reason to allow introduced pests like possums and stoats destroy them. NZ has 50-years of experience with 1080 control which says it does not have devastating effects on flora, fauna and people. It does a very good job of protecting flora and fauna. Regards to mother earth - the evidence is opposite, unless you help.
trakabat ...you are correct...waitutu is being aerially dropped solely because it's cheaper.Deer u ask! i eat them an but no I DO NOT HUNT THEM ...Large n flat it is but for up to 15% extra for ground control that's peanuts to gain better results and avoid secondary/non target poisoning ...there's no comparable area (flat) to this that has been poisoned.read the cost comparative studies.Worked in over 1/2 of the otago/sthlnd forests .all hilly.Birds are fine u say?You know that's incorrect
trakabat.read cost analysis reapplic types.Outdated lacking detail .I have worked in over 1/2 the forests costed otago/sthlnd and none are flat or easy like most of waitutu..waitutu is unique 2 hav aerial app on vast flat area.you are correct as aerial is cheaper but for up to 15% extra for better coverage with less risk of secondary /non target killing it's peanuts.bird bykill as you well know is an issue(proven fact) Deer? No i at them .i do not hunt .I CARE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT IS ALL
Why aerial drop on this flat easily walked and accessed country? And secondly this is increasing the likelihood of secondary poisoning of non target species or the porential to do so , is it not? So say some scientists in nz ecology papers ...
MrFlaranforna, Google these key words Cost effectiveness of different Possum control methods 25,000ha might be too ambitious to ground control. Bird bykill isn't an issue. Are you concerned about deer?
Waitutu . see below. pristine podocarp,coastal ,vast majority flat . kakas .. not vector control. no tb and never has been .. so back to my original question. Why risk secondary poisoning and effecting non target species .this area is large surely you as doc 1080 pr spokesman must be aware of this regardless of the west coast ? i ask my question again please
Right got it now. You are talking about a 25,000 ha operation in southeast Fiordland National Park containing nationally important mistletoe, one of the largest population of kaka, some 30 threatened species of birds, fish, lizards, bat and terrestrial and freshwater invertebrates along with at least 29 threatened plant species. It also contains possums that will destroy the mistletoe. Seems sensible to get rid of them. Whats the problem?
I was down pighunting in the Waitutu in late August, bird life was amazing. Its seems a shame to be spreading 1080 through such pristine country, but if it knocks over the possums, rats and the odd deer for the long term benefit of the birds, Im all for it. I've seen first hand the advantages of the poison, but would still perfer a better way to control the pests.... its just finding it.
I was at Lake Daniells on the morning they dropped the pre-feed. Try a YouTube search for... 1080 Poison birds before the drop... The other clip... 1080 Poison Dawn Chorus... was filmed ten days after the drop.
tongariro np wetlands i think and soon to be in southland flat pristine coastal forest . Is this solely for for financial reasons as it just does not make sense to do this and potentially risk secondary scondary interactions
If the aim is to avoid secondary and non target poisoning why aerial 1080 flat easy walking bush?secondly what happens when the birds animals insects interaction exceeds the rate of toxin decay as our forest floor temp is not overly high..also colder shaded sides take months to break down
In the real environment 1080 kills pests that would otherwise kill our native birds and wreck the forests. Operations are triggered when pest numbers build up. Getting the bait on the ground as quickly as possible is important regardless of whether an area is flat or mountainous. Interaction could not exceed the rate of toxin decay unless there were zero pests to eat the bait and zero rainfall occured.
well well well trakabat has unblocked me yahooo me..DOC will go to any lengths to suppress information from the general public so the indiscrinate aerial bombardment can continue over our so called clean green nz.ignoring international usage guidelines.I do not like trakabat telling me i know nothing but to call me an anti 1080 activist ...wow....saweet.. i too have spent a life of forestry and a horticulturalist so look out i'm gunna fight 2 stop 1080.
Gunnaterry, emotive but meaningless slogans don't add up to reason. Forestry and horticulture, so what. I notice you removed your comments claiming devastation of birds in South Westland, not true is it.
Gunnaterry, I asked for a specific location in South Westland. You seem unable to provide even the most basic details such as where and when. If you are going to claim devestation you should be able to pinpoint it.
Thanks for your videos TrakaBat and sorry you have to put up with all these morons. Maybe if people like hippynz, Happyhellybelly and co actually visited the bush they'd be more credible... but then again they wouldn't be making nonsense arguments.
Was hunting pureora forest 2months after a 1080 drop...been there before the chorus and birds everywhere. This time the place was like a tomb, dead possums decaying as we want. But suspect my fav. bird the bush robin was having a go at them cos there was none. Left the trip early because had NEVER seen a forest so dead. There must be a better way, all for eradication but is like buying the cheapest bike in the shop, will serve you only for the short term. Shall we poison NZ for the next 500 yrs.
What date was that, kiwimaudib? Here's another account of that area: Pureora Forest: 45000 hectares, 750 kaka; 150 breeding pairs of kokako; 3500 kereru and kakariki squawking all over the place.
Tell me... what part exactly of this movie ISNT rubbish? This footage could be ten years old from inside a zoo for all we know! Just because they have footage of a few species of birds doesnt mean squat! I can film far more birds than shown here in an area that hasnt been poisoned! I see no evidence of extraordinary numbers.. its just a few bird pics! Wheres the real proof! If possums are the cause why does Stewart Island have extraordinarily high possum and bird numbers! It just doesnt add up!
Tobby550 - exactly which bit of the video is rubbish? The Copland has fantastic bird life that is very obvious, thanks to the 1080 programme that has suppressed possum numbers and maintained a good healthy forest habitat for the birds.
@nzhunter100 why not let people earn a living killing possum. worked well till DOC got in bed with the overseas companies making the poison, now tax payer money is going overseas to by 1080 instead of going to unemployed NZers to kill possums and bring money into the country by selling fur.
if it dosnt affect birds why did d.o.c remove the breading kiwis from okarito forrest before they droped 1080 in the kiwi sancury? and why was it that 7 out of the 10 keas monitered during that 1080 drop died of 1080 poisoning? you know hitler would be proud of the proper gander that is being spread by d.o.c and the polititions that own the company that imports the poison! look it up! its all public knowledge.
StonedStill 3 months ago
@StonedStill in reality no breeding kiwi were removed from Okarito. Eggs have been removed from the kiwi sanctuary for many years as part of a breeding programme to boost the population. Kea are killed by possums and stoats, are you concerned about that fact? You should be because the same research that showed you that 7 kea died is also showing you that there are potential benefits to be gained by using 1080 to kill possums, rats and stoats.
TrakaBat 2 months ago
Just a question, whos an ecologist out there thats anti-1080? .... anyone?
MrGlennsftmb 3 months ago
@MrGlennsftmb.... good point
TrakaBat 3 months ago
This product is toxic to wildlife. Birds and mammals feeding on carcasses of contaminated animals may be fatally poisoned. . Dehydrated carcasses may remain dangerous to dogs or cats for an indefinite period. A single mouse poisoned by 1080 may contain enough poison to kill an adult dog.
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savage270NZ 3 months ago
Sodium fluoroacetate may be present for many months in the carcasses of poisoned animals; thus presenting a secondary poisoning danger to carnivorous birds and mammals. .1080 wastes are ecotoxic...May be fatal if swallowed.
savage270NZ 3 months ago
.SYMPTOMS OF POISONING:Early Symptoms: Nausea, vomiting, tingling and numbness in face and hands, stomach pains,apprehension and anxiety.
Later Symptoms: Muscular twitching, blurred vision, mental confusion.
Severe Symptoms: Coma, convulsions.6. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES ensure people,pets, livestock, wildlife and fish will not be exposed to the dilute toxic run-off.
savage270NZ 3 months ago
Danger. Deadly Poison. Keep out
of reach of children. Ecotoxic.Acutely toxic. May be fatal if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. Repeated oral exposure may cause reproductive or
developmental damage. Toxic to terrestrial vertebrates. Take
measures to reduce the risk of non-target animals being exposed to the toxin either through eating baits or by scavenging the carcasses of poisoned animals.
Harmful to aquatic organisms.Avoid pollution of any water supply
savage270NZ 3 months ago
i will post some excerpts from the official safety data sheet that the 1080 supplier must by law produce, makes interesting reading. you can view the whole thing at pestoff website
savage270NZ 3 months ago
Are you all mad?!
I see the only sane user here is Trakabat.
1. 1080 poison only kills possums, rats, cats, dogs, mustelids, rabbits and deer. All introduced. No birds or plants are harmed.
2. These aren't just any birds. They are endemic species that could all go extinct some day if we stop the poison drops.
I don't see what everyone is getting so worked up about.
pwtmusic 5 months ago
@pwtmusic exactly right
TrakaBat 5 months ago
@pwtmusic from the 1080 safety data sheet,it is factual information that must be supplied by law from the manufacturer. excerpt: Acutely toxic. May be fatal if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. Repeated oral exposure may cause reproductive or developmental damage. Harmful to aquatic organisms. Avoid pollution of any water supply .may be present for many months in the carcasses of poisoned animals; thus presenting a secondary poisoning danger to carnivorous birds and mammals.
savage270NZ 3 months ago
@pwtmusic you have no idea.. it kills everything.. here in my town d.o.c monitered 10 native kea..
known to be the most intelegent bird on the planet! they killed 7 out of that 10 that had tracking collars on. and thats only what they were monitering. the 1080 poison had an anti bird repellnet in it aswell.. your stupid to think it dosnt kill everything! there is no known antidote for 1080 poisoning.. where they drop the baits are in along the waterways
StonedStill 3 months ago
@StonedStill that is simply not true. The correct number is seven out of 37. In other words 81% survival. The same research is showing that kea are suffering a higher death rate from predators. Why aren't you concerned about that?
TrakaBat 2 months ago
@StonedStill
You're telling the very people who work with 1080, and in 1080 areas, and themselves hunt in 1080 areas, that they have no idea? Yet you yourself have all the answers - when you can't even string together a coherent sentence?
No offence - but the absence of an antidote for 1080, means nothing to the effectiveness of it when used as a pest control agent in New Zealand. What do you think of the antidote for cyanide (dying in 120 seconds?) Does that register with you?
dodlord 2 months ago
@dodlord - you have made some very good points. Thank you.
TrakaBat 2 months ago
@TrakaBat Unfortunately the 500 character limited response doesn't allow for detail in this. It only gives the internet know-nothings more power.
dodlord 2 months ago
@pwtmusic they wont have things to go hunt on weekends
KaylinJH 2 months ago
Hi Trakabat, i look around the youtube world about when rats Attact if you did nothing about the rats ect, you wont have a Island if they take over, looks like too me a war is going on,not only are you saving birds ect as i see it you are doing something too help eveyone,
classicscrap1 1 year ago
trakabat dont be upset with me i just trying to unstand and i do sometime post my feeling before the facts( SORRY) I think you have a very cool job one i would be proud to have and yes a dog or cat can get hit by a car and accident do happen and reading your reply comments on others,, Is understanding from your point of view
classicscrap1 1 year ago
@classicscrap1... Thank you
TrakaBat 1 year ago
I was watching videos where you can see a lot of animals and pets that are killed and this upset me and people protesting this1080 and your birds are ok that great I love birds too and New Zealand how is it that you protect the birds from eatting it ,is this a Job you do for your country,I dont live in New Zealand , I do like your video very much and it look like there a need for control but this 1080 looks like a bad way of dying and there no control of where this 1080 lands
classicscrap1 1 year ago
it dont kill birds just other animals and pets? your video on 1080 not like any other video does your queen pay you or is this just your part in helping the birds to make sure there no dead one?
classicscrap1 1 year ago
@classicscrap1 - cars kill animals and pets so what's your point?
TrakaBat 1 year ago
@MrNgm12345 exactly, they want easy fur and meat and "hunting"... Nothing more..
KaylinJH 1 year ago
@imageandlikeness the bush isnt yours to suck dry, those rats and possums are our fault they shouldnt be there at ALL.... if you want meat get it from the butcher..
KaylinJH 1 year ago
Why is it that you have spammed the you tube channels with your DOC funded propaganda? Seems like an overactive response to something if you really feel their is no problem with it. Could it be that you are a shill working on behalf of the $100mil poison industry to spread your lies to misinform people and create enough doubt to keep people confused?
kwnz1 1 year ago
Just telling it like it is, Kwnz1, the real stories about the use of biodegradable 1080 in NZ to protect native species and forests.
TrakaBat 1 year ago
Why is 1080 either banned or being banned wordwide? Why does nz apply it indescriminately and contrary ti international guidelines? 6 states in usa onlyallowd use it then only in sheep collars 4 coyotes and a bill this year may end that. We are nearly the only dumb ass country in the world using it now .Facts speak 4 themselves.Now why is that? nearly 1005 of world prod.
Why Would Doc say we will use 1080 until an alternatives found ? Why trakabat? answer without spin plz
gunnaterry 1 year ago
Gunnaterry, 1080 isn't banned worldwide, NZ does not apply it indiscriminately, we are not in breach of international guidelines, we are not the only country using 1080, we do not have a viable alternative to 1080 that works on the scale needed, it is biodegradable, it does a great job of protecting our environment from pests and predators.
TrakaBat 1 year ago
@TrakaBat oki doki cheers ian .... The keyword is NEARLY regards banned..Surely with modern technology and kiwi ingenuity aerial drop methods can be designed for target species only eg weighted capsules designed to penetrate ground upright ??? ... cost is irrelevant .. It's still bad stuff..only time til exports are contaminated n world pressure say no more
gunnaterry 1 year ago
Gunnaterry, a lot of effort is going towards alternative pest control methods. However, 1080 sets the benchmark very high. Cost is always relevant. 1080 isn't the bad stuff that it's made out to be; there hasn't been a death from an aerial 1080 operation in 60-years of use. I doubt that there will be an export contamination simply because it isn't a cumulative toxin and it's biodegradable.
TrakaBat 1 year ago
@gunnaterry you need to make a choice either its two islands covered in rats stotes and possums or you use the ONLY VIABLE METHOD available to control them on this scale. Your choice mate, you need to break a few eggs to make an omlette sadly....
KaylinJH 1 year ago
@gunnaterry because its perhaps the only country with no land mammals, and since thats what the poison targets it makes sense to use it. Its not ideal, but you need to make a choice. either its two islands devoid of bird life and full of nothing but possums and rats, or you do the best you can to save them. Can you answer why it is that most of the 1080 opponents are hunters?
KaylinJH 2 months ago
@KaylinJH NZ does have land mammels, deer pigs goats chamios tahr wapiti and they are all in LOW numbers already, go out in the bush and try find any of these mammels that are in high numbers or native bush that is in danger from over population............ tell me when u have found an area in need of a 1080 drop please
TheTamaiti 2 months ago
@imageandlikeness, 1080 operations are infrequent events, heaps of hunters work around them. Why is it different for you?
TrakaBat 1 year ago
@MrNgm12345 1080 is killing everything m8. i'v seen it for my self. try going in to a area after it has been covered in 1080 poison and then see what you think ?? 1080 is a small price to pay for a huge positive result WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT !!! maby for DOC and animal health board because they dont no what its doing to this country. how would you like 1080 poison in your own back yard.
westcoastpighunt 1 year ago
poison killing and destroying our planet and causing suffering .shame on you a national dissgrace to try to misslead people that any poison is safe
ruby6300 1 year ago
Actually the opposite is true. Biodegradable 1080 breaks down into components that are already naturally present in the environment. By using it to suppress possums and rodents we maintain healthy forests and this has a positive benefit in the control of greenhouse gases.
TrakaBat 1 year ago
I noticed you didn't show all the DEAD birds that 1080 leaves behind!!
kingstoncowboy01 2 years ago
That's because there were none laying around. Bykill is a really minor issue. The anti-1080 slogans about silent forests are not true.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
yes they are 1080 leaves plant life nothing else
wapitiman100 2 years ago
Odd then that I can record plenty of birds if there is nothing left but plants.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
i agree mr wapiti this stuff is killing everything
TheTamaiti 2 years ago
It's the predators that are killing NZ's birds.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
by kill of birds is an issue and can or could have a potentially significant impact(doc oic in charge of 25000ha operations own comments)Dave taylor to be precise.Current waitutu risk assessment . 2 ops 40 banded robins 25% gone. and at low rates. nz falcon kakariki n others v little research 2 date.Only 11 species have had in depth? monitoring. Potential 2 threaten viability of some species is real.holy moly trckabat this is direct off doc risk assess so quit saying bykill not issue
gunnaterry 2 years ago
Why does EVERYTHING you say sounds prerehearsed? Is that why you wont allow free post? To gather well coached answers from your superiors? The only bird I ever wanted to save was the moa, and they disappeared 1,000 years at the hands of the hungry natives! The surviving native birds have more to contend with than just hungry stoats and possums... Does anyone check what their pet pussycats and dogs do roaming the bush? What about the rats?
oxyaena 2 years ago
Not exactly a constructive bit of dialogue, oxyaena. If my answers sound rehearsed it is a reflection on the narrowness of the questions. My superiors don't coach the responses here. I don't allow free comments because anti-1080 activists just spam and abuse it.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
Playing God again? All of this poisoning of the land just to save a few archaic birds, and kill off a few possums and stoats, is going to have devastating effects on the flora, fauna and people, just wait and see? MOTHER EARTH SHALL SURVIVE!
oxyaena 2 years ago
Oxyaena, the land is not contaminated. We value our native birds in this country and we see no reason to allow introduced pests like possums and stoats destroy them. NZ has 50-years of experience with 1080 control which says it does not have devastating effects on flora, fauna and people. It does a very good job of protecting flora and fauna. Regards to mother earth - the evidence is opposite, unless you help.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
bykill of birds is an issue during 1080operations Trakabat,
westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
Care to identify your scientific scource saying that bykill of birds is an issue, westcoastpighunt?
TrakaBat 2 years ago
trakabat ...you are correct...waitutu is being aerially dropped solely because it's cheaper.Deer u ask! i eat them an but no I DO NOT HUNT THEM ...Large n flat it is but for up to 15% extra for ground control that's peanuts to gain better results and avoid secondary/non target poisoning ...there's no comparable area (flat) to this that has been poisoned.read the cost comparative studies.Worked in over 1/2 of the otago/sthlnd forests .all hilly.Birds are fine u say?You know that's incorrect
gunnaterry 2 years ago
Bykill of birds isn't an issue during 1080 operations, Gunnaterry.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
trakabat.read cost analysis reapplic types.Outdated lacking detail .I have worked in over 1/2 the forests costed otago/sthlnd and none are flat or easy like most of waitutu..waitutu is unique 2 hav aerial app on vast flat area.you are correct as aerial is cheaper but for up to 15% extra for better coverage with less risk of secondary /non target killing it's peanuts.bird bykill as you well know is an issue(proven fact) Deer? No i at them .i do not hunt .I CARE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT IS ALL
MrFloranforna 2 years ago
Actually, bykill of birds isn't an issue. It's cheeper to use 1080. No real problem.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
Why aerial drop on this flat easily walked and accessed country? And secondly this is increasing the likelihood of secondary poisoning of non target species or the porential to do so , is it not? So say some scientists in nz ecology papers ...
MrFloranforna 2 years ago
MrFlaranforna, Google these key words Cost effectiveness of different Possum control methods 25,000ha might be too ambitious to ground control. Bird bykill isn't an issue. Are you concerned about deer?
TrakaBat 2 years ago
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MrFloranforna 2 years ago
Waitutu . see below. pristine podocarp,coastal ,vast majority flat . kakas .. not vector control. no tb and never has been .. so back to my original question. Why risk secondary poisoning and effecting non target species .this area is large surely you as doc 1080 pr spokesman must be aware of this regardless of the west coast ? i ask my question again please
MrFloranforna 2 years ago
Right got it now. You are talking about a 25,000 ha operation in southeast Fiordland National Park containing nationally important mistletoe, one of the largest population of kaka, some 30 threatened species of birds, fish, lizards, bat and terrestrial and freshwater invertebrates along with at least 29 threatened plant species. It also contains possums that will destroy the mistletoe. Seems sensible to get rid of them. Whats the problem?
TrakaBat 2 years ago
I was down pighunting in the Waitutu in late August, bird life was amazing. Its seems a shame to be spreading 1080 through such pristine country, but if it knocks over the possums, rats and the odd deer for the long term benefit of the birds, Im all for it. I've seen first hand the advantages of the poison, but would still perfer a better way to control the pests.... its just finding it.
31bosshogg 2 years ago
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westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
yer its all bull shit. u shood of been up lake daniels the day the 1080 was droped and 2 days after it was droped. god no's when that clip was filmed
westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
I was at Lake Daniells on the morning they dropped the pre-feed. Try a YouTube search for... 1080 Poison birds before the drop... The other clip... 1080 Poison Dawn Chorus... was filmed ten days after the drop.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
mr gill r u having fried possum or fried rat 4 xmas dinner 2 morrow. c how u feel boxing day if u do. merry xmas.
westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
trakabat. try filming where there is 1080 poison. not in your back yard or private property.
westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
I do. Try a YouTube search using the key words...1080 Poison Dawn Chorus...
TrakaBat 2 years ago
merry xmas mr gill ... may your xmas dinner be legal tegals and u don't block me again as i have a lot of questions i want answers to yet
gunnaterry 2 years ago
You too, one things for sure, I'm not having any fish, nothing bittin. Look forward to the questions.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
tongariro np wetlands i think and soon to be in southland flat pristine coastal forest . Is this solely for for financial reasons as it just does not make sense to do this and potentially risk secondary scondary interactions
MrFloranforna 2 years ago
MrFloranforna, don't know, both out of my area. Sounds like TB vector control operations.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
sorry you missed a point ....Why aerial 1080 on flat easy walked podocarp forest where secondary poisoning and killing of non target species occurs?
gunnaterry 2 years ago
Not sure I'm getting it now, where?
TrakaBat 2 years ago
If the aim is to avoid secondary and non target poisoning why aerial 1080 flat easy walking bush?secondly what happens when the birds animals insects interaction exceeds the rate of toxin decay as our forest floor temp is not overly high..also colder shaded sides take months to break down
MrFloranforna 2 years ago
In the real environment 1080 kills pests that would otherwise kill our native birds and wreck the forests. Operations are triggered when pest numbers build up. Getting the bait on the ground as quickly as possible is important regardless of whether an area is flat or mountainous. Interaction could not exceed the rate of toxin decay unless there were zero pests to eat the bait and zero rainfall occured.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
well well well trakabat has unblocked me yahooo me..DOC will go to any lengths to suppress information from the general public so the indiscrinate aerial bombardment can continue over our so called clean green nz.ignoring international usage guidelines.I do not like trakabat telling me i know nothing but to call me an anti 1080 activist ...wow....saweet.. i too have spent a life of forestry and a horticulturalist so look out i'm gunna fight 2 stop 1080.
gunnaterry 2 years ago
Gunnaterry, emotive but meaningless slogans don't add up to reason. Forestry and horticulture, so what. I notice you removed your comments claiming devastation of birds in South Westland, not true is it.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
birds are all fucked after a 1080 drop
westcoastpighunt 2 years ago
What a load of rubbish, westcoastpighunt.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
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gunnaterry 2 years ago
Gunnaterry, I asked for a specific location in South Westland. You seem unable to provide even the most basic details such as where and when. If you are going to claim devestation you should be able to pinpoint it.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
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gunnaterry 2 years ago
Then why not identify a specific location and be specific about the dates. We do a lot of work in South Westland and what you claim dosn't stack up.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
Thanks for your videos TrakaBat and sorry you have to put up with all these morons. Maybe if people like hippynz, Happyhellybelly and co actually visited the bush they'd be more credible... but then again they wouldn't be making nonsense arguments.
KiwiEcologist 2 years ago
Was hunting pureora forest 2months after a 1080 drop...been there before the chorus and birds everywhere. This time the place was like a tomb, dead possums decaying as we want. But suspect my fav. bird the bush robin was having a go at them cos there was none. Left the trip early because had NEVER seen a forest so dead. There must be a better way, all for eradication but is like buying the cheapest bike in the shop, will serve you only for the short term. Shall we poison NZ for the next 500 yrs.
kiwimaudib 2 years ago
What date was that, kiwimaudib? Here's another account of that area: Pureora Forest: 45000 hectares, 750 kaka; 150 breeding pairs of kokako; 3500 kereru and kakariki squawking all over the place.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
Tell me... what part exactly of this movie ISNT rubbish? This footage could be ten years old from inside a zoo for all we know! Just because they have footage of a few species of birds doesnt mean squat! I can film far more birds than shown here in an area that hasnt been poisoned! I see no evidence of extraordinary numbers.. its just a few bird pics! Wheres the real proof! If possums are the cause why does Stewart Island have extraordinarily high possum and bird numbers! It just doesnt add up!
Happyhellybell 2 years ago
Except, Happyhellybell, it isn't ten years old from a zoo. The Copland has a fantastic bird population. Go there and see for yourself.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
This is a load of rubbish
toby550 2 years ago
Tobby550 - exactly which bit of the video is rubbish? The Copland has fantastic bird life that is very obvious, thanks to the 1080 programme that has suppressed possum numbers and maintained a good healthy forest habitat for the birds.
TrakaBat 2 years ago
1080 is important in controlling possum numbers. If possums get out of control, they kill the bush. The trees turn brown and EVERYTHING dies
nzhunter100 2 years ago
@nzhunter100 why not let people earn a living killing possum. worked well till DOC got in bed with the overseas companies making the poison, now tax payer money is going overseas to by 1080 instead of going to unemployed NZers to kill possums and bring money into the country by selling fur.
hippynz 2 years ago
1080 is fine! You should put some in your swimming pool at home.
timmay556 2 years ago