I'm not trying to win an argument. I just made the point that Overswarm isn't a bad player simply because he lost a money match to a Sonic player after saying the character was shitty.
Get over yourself with the clusterfucking. Anyone can take a bunch of things another person says out of context and openly bash them with worthless snide remarks. It doesn't make your opinion any more of worth.
I'm done arguing with you. You clearly know as little about Sonic as Overswarm does and you're probably just one of his fanboys. He's overrated and hes arrogant. It serves him right that he got owned by a Sonic because if you don't take the time to learn about the other characters then you will lose. That's what happened to him.
M2K had to learn how to play the best Snake by playing Ally, and even by losing to Ally.
M2K now consistently beats Ally.
Facts. In the same right Overswarm had to learn to play the best Sonic (or the best Sonic he has played I'm assuming at least) by playing and even losing to Shugo.
This whole argument occurred because you're clearly for Shugo, and against Overswarm.
I've been unbiased, just playing devil's advocate with your ignorance.
If you think all strategies should be legal then you are fooling yourself. I'll take sonic get one hit on you and then hide beneath final destination using the homing attack infinite stall until time runs out and you lose. Many tournaments use a limit on ledge grabbing because it is unfair play. People who know how to play the game well don't need to resort to such unfair tactics to win.
Could Overswarm have been Planking just a little bit more? He didn't look like he was trying to cheat quite enough. On top of that he still lost. What a failure. He is seriously overrated.
Quoted from Overswarm on Smash Boards: "Sonic is mostly limited by his low priority. MK's d-tilt in place > everything Sonic has." "Sonic is basically a novelty character." "Most of Sonic's tricky options are too slow to do properly without a good opponent simply evading or blocking them." "his opponent can tell what Sonic is about to do before he does it." Basically Overswarm without knowing anything about Sonic used to constantly bash Sonic. He gets raped by one even while playing cheaply.
Shugo didn't just "pick up" Sonic, it's my understanding he is a sonic main. He also doesn't play the most confusing way possible. He just knows how to play Sonic. Most good Sonic players play a similar style. The point is that Overswarm bashes Sonic without actually understanding Sonic. Thus, it is ironic that he got beaten by one. Further, he didn't even play honorably and STILL lost.
He tries to confuse him because that is what all players do. It's called mind games. Sonic specializes in them and Shugo makes good use of them. So do all good sonic players. Playing honorably IS something that you do at tourneys. There is a rule about how many times you can grab the ledge for example. Most attempts at planking are banned. Learn 2 play.
He grabbed the ledge 61 times. The maximum is often 40. MK outranges sonic's forward smash with almost every attack, he has a sword. MK outranges just about every attack that sonic has with just about every attack of his own.
Overswarm attends many tournaments and by now has played against many Sonic players. The excuse that nobody knows how to fight sonic is not reasonable for a player who is supposed to be of his calibur.
Again, maybe you should learn a bit before posting.
Shugo's Sonic is uncommonly well developed at tournament level. You can't argue that. Kudos for counting the ledge grabs, I'm sorry I didn't take the time to do so.
But regardless of all that, you can't argue that the MK would easily land on stage without being in threat of a safely spaced f-smash. Even with sword length, the lag upon landing and trying to shield could get him killed if he messed up.
meta isnt broken his learning curve is just plain stubid and his match up rates are pretty close to be considered broken and the fact that 50% of tounrys won by metaknights or snakes just is the reason why people think there broken because they develop there meta game quicker
even if what you say is right, the game has been out for almost 2 years...the metagames should be close enough now that winners should start being a little more varied. :)
this is a comment section, not a place for dumb-asses to argue..... have a nice day :)
HaxDaddy 8 months ago
LOL OVERSWARM SUCKS
giobot 2 years ago
I'm not trying to win an argument. I just made the point that Overswarm isn't a bad player simply because he lost a money match to a Sonic player after saying the character was shitty.
Get over yourself with the clusterfucking. Anyone can take a bunch of things another person says out of context and openly bash them with worthless snide remarks. It doesn't make your opinion any more of worth.
JohnZobac 2 years ago
I'm done arguing with you. You clearly know as little about Sonic as Overswarm does and you're probably just one of his fanboys. He's overrated and hes arrogant. It serves him right that he got owned by a Sonic because if you don't take the time to learn about the other characters then you will lose. That's what happened to him.
marvelousmarth 2 years ago
M2K had to learn how to play the best Snake by playing Ally, and even by losing to Ally.
M2K now consistently beats Ally.
Facts. In the same right Overswarm had to learn to play the best Sonic (or the best Sonic he has played I'm assuming at least) by playing and even losing to Shugo.
This whole argument occurred because you're clearly for Shugo, and against Overswarm.
I've been unbiased, just playing devil's advocate with your ignorance.
You assumed he's "overrated and hes arrogant".
JohnZobac 2 years ago
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JohnZobac 2 years ago
If you think all strategies should be legal then you are fooling yourself. I'll take sonic get one hit on you and then hide beneath final destination using the homing attack infinite stall until time runs out and you lose. Many tournaments use a limit on ledge grabbing because it is unfair play. People who know how to play the game well don't need to resort to such unfair tactics to win.
marvelousmarth 2 years ago
Could Overswarm have been Planking just a little bit more? He didn't look like he was trying to cheat quite enough. On top of that he still lost. What a failure. He is seriously overrated.
marvelousmarth 2 years ago
@marvelousmarth Bit harsh on a player who's just trying to play to win and still stick with ROB as a main for MetaKnight secondary.
JohnZobac 2 years ago
Quoted from Overswarm on Smash Boards: "Sonic is mostly limited by his low priority. MK's d-tilt in place > everything Sonic has." "Sonic is basically a novelty character." "Most of Sonic's tricky options are too slow to do properly without a good opponent simply evading or blocking them." "his opponent can tell what Sonic is about to do before he does it." Basically Overswarm without knowing anything about Sonic used to constantly bash Sonic. He gets raped by one even while playing cheaply.
marvelousmarth 2 years ago
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JohnZobac 2 years ago
Shugo didn't just "pick up" Sonic, it's my understanding he is a sonic main. He also doesn't play the most confusing way possible. He just knows how to play Sonic. Most good Sonic players play a similar style. The point is that Overswarm bashes Sonic without actually understanding Sonic. Thus, it is ironic that he got beaten by one. Further, he didn't even play honorably and STILL lost.
marvelousmarth 2 years ago
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JohnZobac 2 years ago
He tries to confuse him because that is what all players do. It's called mind games. Sonic specializes in them and Shugo makes good use of them. So do all good sonic players. Playing honorably IS something that you do at tourneys. There is a rule about how many times you can grab the ledge for example. Most attempts at planking are banned. Learn 2 play.
marvelousmarth 2 years ago
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JohnZobac 2 years ago
He grabbed the ledge 61 times. The maximum is often 40. MK outranges sonic's forward smash with almost every attack, he has a sword. MK outranges just about every attack that sonic has with just about every attack of his own.
Overswarm attends many tournaments and by now has played against many Sonic players. The excuse that nobody knows how to fight sonic is not reasonable for a player who is supposed to be of his calibur.
Again, maybe you should learn a bit before posting.
marvelousmarth 2 years ago
@marvelousmarth
Shugo's Sonic is uncommonly well developed at tournament level. You can't argue that. Kudos for counting the ledge grabs, I'm sorry I didn't take the time to do so.
But regardless of all that, you can't argue that the MK would easily land on stage without being in threat of a safely spaced f-smash. Even with sword length, the lag upon landing and trying to shield could get him killed if he messed up.
JohnZobac 2 years ago
meta isnt broken his learning curve is just plain stubid and his match up rates are pretty close to be considered broken and the fact that 50% of tounrys won by metaknights or snakes just is the reason why people think there broken because they develop there meta game quicker
solecalibur 2 years ago
@solecalibur STFU *facepalm* you have no right to speak now
Deyone538539 2 years ago
what the hell did I do wrong lol at least elaborate
solecalibur 2 years ago
you logic on brokenness is broken
Deyone538539 2 years ago
thanks for elaborating I should listen to you more often....
solecalibur 2 years ago
even if what you say is right, the game has been out for almost 2 years...the metagames should be close enough now that winners should start being a little more varied. :)
juannunez3000 2 years ago
barely characters like mario have a dreaded time against meta even with his fireball projectile and cape
Deyone538539 2 years ago
@Deyone538539
horrible example, Mario is made to suck against MK and plenty of other characters can handle MK in different regards.
Still, Mario has a chance someday. I <3 the plumber
JohnZobac 2 years ago
sooo good
sokihagiwara 2 years ago
BOOYA STEAK SON!
curaga 2 years ago
You wanna talk about selling out, Overswarm defined sellout switching to MK after whining endlessly about it.
And Shugo again rockin it! \m/
tommyvance04 2 years ago
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JohnZobac 2 years ago
Lol Good shit
DarkIllusionHokage 2 years ago
OS being a faggot and trying to win dishonerably gets him nowhere. again. good stuff shugo. you clearly counter OS lol
KojinSagara 2 years ago
whaaaat
How was he "trying to win dishonourably"??
infzy 2 years ago
During the entire round, OS was flashing his package in Shugo's direction. Thankfully, Shugo persevered and won the match.
LemonNation 2 years ago
not dishonestly but in an easy stally way, dare I say cheap? :)
juannunez3000 2 years ago
This is one of my favorite sets. Aweome ending. Congrats to both players.
ThePlatiepoos 2 years ago
hhahaahhahaha lmao@ him haivng the chat up
Zori53 2 years ago
OS once again with the planking, and the loss. Shugo rawks
battlexon 2 years ago 5
The original setup of this stage looks like the part of Green Hill Zone where you fight Dr. Robotnik.
Fightgenfreak 2 years ago
The giant wrecking ball, yes!
BigD666 2 years ago
YES! and Sonic prevailed like he did then!
Deyone538539 2 years ago
AMAZING SET IS AMAZING.
MarkoManX 2 years ago