(2/10) Battlefield II The Battle of Scandinavia Ep4 World War II

[histermax]

Thanks for uploading this great show!

[BetheHans]

I notice that Nordic nations like Germany, British, Fins shared one common military feature: they always favor qualitative superiority over quantitative superiority. This favor over quality is the root of innovation and advanced technology that make them more advanced than the Soviet shits who in all wars relied only on sheer force of numbers.

[Nabukuduriuzhur]

One major error. It wasn't until just recently that the Finns of the period, or indeed any National Socialist group was redefined as "right wing." Prior to 2000 in the media and at the earliest in the late 1990s, all forms of Socialism were considered Left-Wing. Materials from history books prior to the 1990s never speak of those groups as "right wing." It would hardly make sense, either, if BOTH left and right were branches from Marx' tree. Where would other government forms be?

[alanheath]

@Nabukuduriuzhur Words such as right or left wing or liberal seemed to have changed in recent times. I could openly say I was right wing 30 years ago, now it seems to be associated with nationalism and racism which I utterly oppose, religion in schools which I think wrong, stronger military which I cannot see the point of etc etc. In fact it now seems I am a liberal because I am opposed to civil servants controlling the economy and nationalisation. I have not changed. Words have.

[eulerangle2020]

@alanheath Right wing has always meant nationalism for hundreds if not thousands of years. It has meant the status quo, the monarchy, the tax collectors, aristocracy and hereditary privilege -- the true definition of conservatism (tradition). Left wing has meant those who want to change the existing system, reformers, experiments. It is not revisionist history to say Hitler was right-wing -- he admitted he didn't know what "socialism" was, and is an absolute strongman like a monarch.

[alanheath]

@eulerangle2020 Therefore Stalin was right wing because he did not want to change the system and Hitler was left wing because he did want to change the system (and was very successful in doing so).

[umpisuoli87]

can you reupload (if you are allowed) the first part?

[87SPECTRUM]

The fins were beyond doubt the most effective and brave soldiers of WW2. Eternal respect from a Nordic brother. Imagine if they had the resources of Nazi Germany... Russia wouldn't stand a chance.

[theonlylauri]

@87SPECTRUM If we would have had the resources of Germany, we wouldn't have been that effective. Power = Corruption. Moreover, it's always easier to defend than attack, as the Nazis found out once they invaded.

[DenseBob]

Thanks for the uploads but is there part 1?

[alanheath]

I found a map on the internet produced by the London Geographical Society in 1919 or 1920 which showed Finland's northern border much further to the east, including Murmansk and protruding to the White Sea. If that border had existed in 1939 the defence of Finland would have been much easier.

[omegavalerius]

@alanheath

The land area of Finland in 1919 and in 1939 were identical. It didn't include Murmansk but did include a port on the Barents sea.

[alanheath]

@omegavalerius Not according to the map of the London Geographical Society. I think the border was settled later.

[omegavalerius]

@alanheath

The border was settled in 1920 and it ran exactly as the Fins had declared in 1917 when they (we) declared independence and it did not include murmanks. The reason why the map is as it is is probaly because british troops occupied murmanks during that time so it mad more sense to add it to Finland than betraying the fact that it was russian territory under foreing (british) occupation.

[alanheath]

@omegavalerius That is a good suggestion - maybe that is the reason for it!

[nekwa2]

"To lead untrained men to war is to throw them away"

/some guy

[vaahtobileet]

The first episode is copyright-claimed to oblivion.

[NoRacismInThisWorld]

Soviet could win by focous on middle finland north of lake ladoga If fins at mannerheim line reponded it would be overunned

[alanheath]

@NoRacismInThisWorld Possibly but there was next to no transport infrastructure there and the forests were just as thick.

[TippiSimo]

@ 8mins, more like civilian targets.

[Highlanderswave83]

Unless im not seeing it now,it doesnt seem to be posted the first section of this episode...

[artacania]

oh my god run the russians got horses ! ... wait a minute ! grab the machine guns :D

[MrMugg]

Quality sometimes beat the shit out of quantity. Even in war.

[Liolar43]

No part 1? =(

[justmymage]

Umm where is episode 1?

[LongHuII]

@justmymage the russians took it down ;)

[Picard578]

Where is part 1?

[Highlanderswave83]

@Picard578 yeah where is it?

[juispurg]

oh yea forget what i sayd i just noticed its from all wars fought in scandinavia sry

[juispurg]

its winter war not war for scandinavia but still IM PROUD if my countrys history ^^

[ss90ss444]

@juispurg

Winter War was the reason why the war in the North started. About 97 000 finns died in WW2. TWICE as many as norwegians and danes combined. Only few swedish volunteers came.

I blame the russians for the war in North Europe and the Baltic countries. Never Hitler and the germans. They had nicht to do with it.

Brits also share some blame with the americans.

[juispurg]

@ss90ss444 yea thts true 

[Lachausis]

They have deleted part one

[MMSC2]

Winter FTW!

Froze dem nazis in Russia and Norway.

[megatwingo]

Is it only my personal taste, or am I right with the feeling, that all those Discovery history documentaries are using ALL the same annoying and lame background score?

Even in this one here they are repeating the same music again and again.

I´m feeling like I´m stuck in an endless loop, when I see those Discovery docus.

Additional to that the music isn´t really fitting, when the narrator talks about the tactical situations etc.

It sounds all the time like romantic flute music for a love affair.

[Lachausis]

@megatwingo This is not the right place for music, pal.

[megatwingo]

@Lachausis

I suggest to do something about your English. You misunderstood my sentences completely.

[Lachausis]

@megatwingo No, I didn't. The music in these documentaries is insignificant.

[megatwingo]

@Lachausis

It get´s on my nerves if they do it like I´ve described it above.

It that´s insificant to you: Congratulations.

To me it is significant.

[pursuinginsanity]

@Qlasettaja Where on earth are you getting those numbers? None of them are correct.. Your number for the USSR is larger than their entire population ever was, while you list numbers for the Scandanavian countries that wouldn't even be their maximum mobilization numbers.. More so, you give a number for Sweden as 1/3 that of Finland, when in reality Sweden has 80% more population. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at..

[MultiMarcus99]

The Soviet Stalin is a Murder.

His own soldier.

[htm2x]

No shelling of Mainila mentioned? I always thought it was a really important reason for the start of the war

[XIIIphobos]

@htm2x i know, i was surprised as well. they didn't start the bombings unti lthe ruskies shelled their own troops. :S

[reeven2003]

Fins are a brave nation.

[histermax]

Thanks for uploading this great show!

[BetheHans]

I notice that Nordic nations like Germany, British, Fins shared one common military feature: they always favor qualitative superiority over quantitative superiority. This favor over quality is the root of innovation and advanced technology that make them more advanced than the Soviet shits who in all wars relied only on sheer force of numbers.

[Nabukuduriuzhur]

One major error. It wasn't until just recently that the Finns of the period, or indeed any National Socialist group was redefined as "right wing." Prior to 2000 in the media and at the earliest in the late 1990s, all forms of Socialism were considered Left-Wing. Materials from history books prior to the 1990s never speak of those groups as "right wing." It would hardly make sense, either, if BOTH left and right were branches from Marx' tree. Where would other government forms be?

[alanheath]

@Nabukuduriuzhur Words such as right or left wing or liberal seemed to have changed in recent times. I could openly say I was right wing 30 years ago, now it seems to be associated with nationalism and racism which I utterly oppose, religion in schools which I think wrong, stronger military which I cannot see the point of etc etc. In fact it now seems I am a liberal because I am opposed to civil servants controlling the economy and nationalisation. I have not changed. Words have.

[eulerangle2020]

@alanheath Right wing has always meant nationalism for hundreds if not thousands of years. It has meant the status quo, the monarchy, the tax collectors, aristocracy and hereditary privilege -- the true definition of conservatism (tradition). Left wing has meant those who want to change the existing system, reformers, experiments. It is not revisionist history to say Hitler was right-wing -- he admitted he didn't know what "socialism" was, and is an absolute strongman like a monarch.

[alanheath]

@eulerangle2020 Therefore Stalin was right wing because he did not want to change the system and Hitler was left wing because he did want to change the system (and was very successful in doing so).

[umpisuoli87]

can you reupload (if you are allowed) the first part?

[87SPECTRUM]

The fins were beyond doubt the most effective and brave soldiers of WW2. Eternal respect from a Nordic brother. Imagine if they had the resources of Nazi Germany... Russia wouldn't stand a chance.

[theonlylauri]

@87SPECTRUM If we would have had the resources of Germany, we wouldn't have been that effective. Power = Corruption. Moreover, it's always easier to defend than attack, as the Nazis found out once they invaded.

[DenseBob]

Thanks for the uploads but is there part 1?

[alanheath]

I found a map on the internet produced by the London Geographical Society in 1919 or 1920 which showed Finland's northern border much further to the east, including Murmansk and protruding to the White Sea. If that border had existed in 1939 the defence of Finland would have been much easier.

[omegavalerius]

@alanheath

The land area of Finland in 1919 and in 1939 were identical. It didn't include Murmansk but did include a port on the Barents sea.

[alanheath]

@omegavalerius Not according to the map of the London Geographical Society. I think the border was settled later.

[omegavalerius]

@alanheath

The border was settled in 1920 and it ran exactly as the Fins had declared in 1917 when they (we) declared independence and it did not include murmanks. The reason why the map is as it is is probaly because british troops occupied murmanks during that time so it mad more sense to add it to Finland than betraying the fact that it was russian territory under foreing (british) occupation.

[alanheath]

@omegavalerius That is a good suggestion - maybe that is the reason for it!

[nekwa2]

"To lead untrained men to war is to throw them away"

/some guy

[vaahtobileet]

The first episode is copyright-claimed to oblivion.

[NoRacismInThisWorld]

Soviet could win by focous on middle finland north of lake ladoga If fins at mannerheim line reponded it would be overunned

[alanheath]

@NoRacismInThisWorld Possibly but there was next to no transport infrastructure there and the forests were just as thick.

[TippiSimo]

@ 8mins, more like civilian targets.

[Highlanderswave83]

Unless im not seeing it now,it doesnt seem to be posted the first section of this episode...

[artacania]

oh my god run the russians got horses ! ... wait a minute ! grab the machine guns :D

[MrMugg]

Quality sometimes beat the shit out of quantity. Even in war.

[Liolar43]

No part 1? =(

[justmymage]

Umm where is episode 1?

[LongHuII]

@justmymage the russians took it down ;)

[Picard578]

Where is part 1?

[Highlanderswave83]

@Picard578 yeah where is it?

[juispurg]

oh yea forget what i sayd i just noticed its from all wars fought in scandinavia sry

[juispurg]

its winter war not war for scandinavia but still IM PROUD if my countrys history ^^

[ss90ss444]

@juispurg

Winter War was the reason why the war in the North started. About 97 000 finns died in WW2. TWICE as many as norwegians and danes combined. Only few swedish volunteers came.

I blame the russians for the war in North Europe and the Baltic countries. Never Hitler and the germans. They had nicht to do with it.

Brits also share some blame with the americans.

[juispurg]

@ss90ss444 yea thts true

[Lachausis]

They have deleted part one

[MMSC2]

Winter FTW!

Froze dem nazis in Russia and Norway.

[megatwingo]

Is it only my personal taste, or am I right with the feeling, that all those Discovery history documentaries are using ALL the same annoying and lame background score?

Even in this one here they are repeating the same music again and again.

I´m feeling like I´m stuck in an endless loop, when I see those Discovery docus.

Additional to that the music isn´t really fitting, when the narrator talks about the tactical situations etc.

It sounds all the time like romantic flute music for a love affair.

[Lachausis]

@megatwingo This is not the right place for music, pal.

[megatwingo]

@Lachausis

I suggest to do something about your English. You misunderstood my sentences completely.

[Lachausis]

@megatwingo No, I didn't. The music in these documentaries is insignificant.

[megatwingo]

@Lachausis

It get´s on my nerves if they do it like I´ve described it above.

It that´s insificant to you: Congratulations.

To me it is significant.

[pursuinginsanity]

@Qlasettaja Where on earth are you getting those numbers? None of them are correct.. Your number for the USSR is larger than their entire population ever was, while you list numbers for the Scandanavian countries that wouldn't even be their maximum mobilization numbers.. More so, you give a number for Sweden as 1/3 that of Finland, when in reality Sweden has 80% more population. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at..

[MultiMarcus99]

The Soviet Stalin is a Murder.

His own soldier.

[htm2x]

No shelling of Mainila mentioned? I always thought it was a really important reason for the start of the war

[XIIIphobos]

@htm2x i know, i was surprised as well. they didn't start the bombings unti lthe ruskies shelled their own troops. :S

[reeven2003]

Fins are a brave nation.

[13lackLight]

The flute in the music is awesome.

[Finni100]

The thing that is unbeliverbull is that Finland was helped by volunteer scandinavians, and Sweden that has been nautral for so long had 12 000 volunteerlig troopers in Finland. And that was more than any of the other scandinavian lands

(Scandinavia is: Norway, Sweden and Danmark, NOT ICELAND OR FINLAND. Sorry)

[ss90ss444]

"(Scandinavia is: Norway, Sweden and Danmark, NOT ICELAND OR FINLAND. Sorry)"

Who cares about that. I mean God damn. Sweden stayed neutral and did trade with nazi germany.

Fucking swedish bastards. Finnish and german troops died for Sweden.

[Finni100]

I'm just sick of hearing people being incorrect, that's all.

And you know many great Norwegian saboteurs needed Sweden to stay low. And they helped the wounded.

[Marzaq87]

finland did 100times more trade with nazi germany than sweden. Norway and Denmark would have done the same as sweden but they were FORCED into the war. they didnt even get a choice. tha same as poland, belgium, holland, luxembourg and greece.

Finland on the other hand fought alongside germany.

[Hrafn89]

@Marzaq87 If you refer to the winter war then you are quite wrong. There was basically no direct trade at all between Finland and Germany, however Sweden was the man in the middle, Sweden bought from Germany and sold to Finland. If you refer the period between winter war to 1944, It would be interesting if you could show some reference to back that claim.

[Marzaq87]

@Hrafn89 i dont need a reference its enough that almost every tank, artillery and airplane etc in finland were german manufactured in the continuation war

[Hrafn89]

@Marzaq87 Well this video contains information about the winter war, and my comments specifically stated winter war to avoid confusion, but still it seems I wasnt clear enough. During the continuation war, Finnish arms used was manufactured in Finland, Sweden, Russia and Germany (the biggest suppliers). Of course since Germany was the only country which offered aid and at the same time a big manufacturer of arms, its kind of obvious that Finland used German arms.

[Hrafn89]

@Marzaq87 During the winter war the only substantial aid received was from Sweden, but Sweden could not give Finland airplanes (I know about F19), enough artillery, anti aircraft guns, anti tank guns et cetera. Big picture, the 'democratic' countries supported Finland only with nice words, but no action. Finland did a world class balance act, which enabled Finland to remain as a free nation, one could discuss minor issues which they could have done better, but overall a marvellous effort..

[WandererRTF]

@Marzaq87 Finns only got (mainly bought) German total of ~200 aircraft in 1943 and 1944 and German armor in 1944 (bought ~70 tanks of which only 30 took part in combat). Before that all the aircraft were (mainly - some examples of German and SU aircrafts existed) of US, UK, French, Dutch, Italian, and Finnish designs and all the tanks were either prewar (nearly WW1 era) or war loot gained in Winter War or in Continuation War.

[Lachausis]

@Marzaq87 Can't blame them. And knowing, that there are Finns who in fact worship Russia these days, sickens me.

[ss90ss444]

@Lachausis

But I bet there are more norwegians who lick the russo-british jewish rectum almost daily.

Stalin is responsible for about 500 000 dying in the Northen Front during the entire WW2. Hitler had no plans regarding the North until USSR attacked Finland.

[Pointerrify]

@ss90ss444 Fuck you.

[Hrafn89]

@Marzaq87 If you refer to the winter war then you are quite wrong. There was basically no direct trade at all between Finland and Germany, however Sweden was the man in the middle, Sweden bought from Germany and sold to Finland. If you refer the period between winter war to 1944, It would be interesting if you could show some reference to back that claim.

[Marzaq87]

@Hrafn89 i dont need a reference its enough that almost every tank, artillery and airplane etc in finland were german manufactured in the continuation war

[Hrafn89]

@Marzaq87 Well this video contains information about the winter war, and my comments specifically stated winter war to avoid confusion, but still it seems I wasnt clear enough. During the continuation war, Finnish arms used was manufactured in Finland, Sweden, Russia and Germany (the biggest suppliers). Of course since Germany was the only country which offered aid and at the same time a big manufacturer of arms, its kind of obvious that Finland used German arms.

[Hrafn89]

@Marzaq87 During the winter war the only substantial aid received was from Sweden, but Sweden could not give Finland airplanes (I know about F19), enough artillery, anti aircraft guns, anti tank guns et cetera. Big picture, the 'democratic' countries supported Finland only with nice words, but no action. Finland did a world class balance act, which enabled Finland to remain as a free nation, one could discuss minor issues which they could have done better, but overall a marvellous effort..

[WandererRTF]

@Marzaq87 Finns only got (mainly bought) German total of ~200 aircraft in 1943 and 1944 and German armor in 1944 (bought ~70 tanks of which only 30 took part in combat). Before that all the aircraft were (mainly - some examples of German and SU aircrafts existed) of US, UK, French, Dutch, Italian, and Finnish designs and all the tanks were either prewar (nearly WW1 era) or war loot gained in Winter War or in Continuation War.

[Lachausis]

@Marzaq87 Can't blame them. And knowing, that there are Finns who in fact worship Russia these days, sickens me.

[ss90ss444]

@Lachausis

But I bet there are more norwegians who lick the russo-british jewish rectum almost daily.

Stalin is responsible for about 500 000 dying in the Northen Front during the entire WW2. Hitler had no plans regarding the North until USSR attacked Finland.

[Pointerrify]

@ss90ss444 Fuck you.

[WELOVETOFTING]

@ss90ss444 You do know that Sweden sent pretty much all their planes and almost 10 000 men to Finland.The Swedish airforce defended all norht of Finland.Sweden gave Finland:

-10 000 men

-50 miljon rifle cartridges

-84 000 arms trade

-575 machine guns

-104 anti aircrafts guns

-112 artelleri cannons and 30 000 grenedes.And thanks to god warfare only 218 Swedes died.But those 218 swedes died for nothing.Becasuse Finland gave the soviet everything they wanted.

[Qlasettaja]

@WELOVETOFTING Oh, Sweden helped cause they think that Finland would lost that war. And Soviet Union would occupy Sweden next. There were just few Swedish soldiers in warzone. Mostly they just helped to dig trenches. Finland didn't gave everything. Just piece of land. Sweden is weaker than Finland.

[WELOVETOFTING]

@Qlasettaja 5000 soldiers during the Winter War and 8000 during the war beetewen 1942 and 1944.Pretty much all Swedish artillery,aircracts,guns,ammon­ation everything to help Finland.Weaker then Finland?No.During the cold war the Soviet Union threaten to invade Sweden.The only reason they didnt was the fear of the Swedish army brutality and they never got a good reason.Finland and Sweden are brothers country and we will always stick togheter.

[Qlasettaja]

@WELOVETOFTING OK, but do you know why Soviet Union didn't fear Swedish army was really weak, good technology but low-manpower.

Like nowdays. I think that Soviet Union would not afraid little Sweden or Finland who has just 100 000 men and Finland 300 000 men, against 300 million men.

[JohannBrigtsenNOR]

@Qlasettaja 300million men?? the population of Russia today is 137milliion?? what u talking about??

[JohannBrigtsenNOR]

@Qlasettaja noo.. they helped cuz they felt sorry for the finns.... thats normal. i guess u dont have feelings okey fuck u

[Qlasettaja]

@WELOVETOFTING Oh, Sweden helped cause they think that Finland would lost that war. And Soviet Union would occupy Sweden next. There were just few Swedish soldiers in warzone. Mostly they just helped to dig trenches. Finland didn't gave everything. Just piece of land. Sweden is weaker than Finland.

[WELOVETOFTING]

@Qlasettaja 5000 soldiers during the Winter War and 8000 during the war beetewen 1942 and 1944.Pretty much all Swedish artillery,aircracts,guns,ammon­ation everything to help Finland.Weaker then Finland?No.During the cold war the Soviet Union threaten to invade Sweden.The only reason they didnt was the fear of the Swedish army brutality and they never got a good reason.Finland and Sweden are brothers country and we will always stick togheter.

[Qlasettaja]

@WELOVETOFTING OK, but do you know why Soviet Union didn't fear Swedish army was really weak, good technology but low-manpower.

Like nowdays. I think that Soviet Union would not afraid little Sweden or Finland who has just 100 000 men and Finland 300 000 men, against 300 million men.

[JohannBrigtsenNOR]

@Qlasettaja 300million men?? the population of Russia today is 137milliion?? what u talking about??

[JohannBrigtsenNOR]

@Qlasettaja noo.. they helped cuz they felt sorry for the finns.... thats normal. i guess u dont have feelings okey fuck u

[Zereniti77]

There were total of 12.000 volunteers in Finland, and large part of those were Swedes. But the number of Swedes was not 12.000.

Most of the volunteers served in the Lapland-front, which was relatively quiet when compared to the Isthmus Front and Ladoga Front.

[Finni100]

I know.

something about 8 thousand or more were sweds, but also many Norwegians and Danish people volunteered to help the Fins.

However the number of sweds going to help the Fins say something about Sweden's love for Finland, and they volunteered! No army, but civilians!

[Zereniti77]

I think the volunteers are a sign of the love individual Swedes had for Finland, whereas Sweden as a country didn't really care. Had they cared, they would have officially offer their help. But no, Sweden explicitly decided to stay out of the conflict.

[Finni100]

No they couldn't.

If the countrys helped Finland that would make them no longer natural.

That's why Sweden and Norway made propagandas

[Hrafn89]

@Zereniti77 Roughly speaking yes. The society at large was behind Finland and very enthusiastic about it as well. Swedish government (basically socialdemocrats) didnt have the courage to go officially against Russia/Germany to support with Swedish troops, but Sweden wasnt neutral, Sweden declared themselves as non fighting in the conflict, which allowed Sweden to ship arms and ammunition to Finland. Sweden did NOT stay out of the conflict, they just didnt participate with the Swedish military.

[Hrafn89]

@Zereniti77 Roughly speaking yes. The society at large was behind Finland and very enthusiastic about it as well. Swedish government (basically socialdemocrats) didnt have the courage to go officially against Russia/Germany to support with Swedish troops, but Sweden wasnt neutral, Sweden declared themselves as non fighting in the conflict, which allowed Sweden to ship arms and ammunition to Finland. Sweden did NOT stay out of the conflict, they just didnt participate with the Swedish military.

[Mega1xD1]

Congrats on being really stupid :D Scandinavia does include finland and iceland.. stop sitting on your brain.. if you know what I mean..

[dinomand]

You are not quite correct

Finland Iceland are not a part of scandinavia in the fysical sense, the reason that they are included in scandinavia are political and historical.

[Finni100]

@Mega1xD1 Congrats on making an ass of your self.

If what you say is true, then why does it stand: on the internet/wikipedia, in school books, the media says it and professors in Geography.

However, I do not blame you for believing so, many believe that Finland and Iceland are Scandinavian, but they are Nordic countrys.

It is like this because Finland and Iceland are for the first not kingdoms and those countrys were also very late in becomig their own countrys (Ruled by no other country)

[Finni100]

This is most viewed in Finland. Can understand it. lol.

LONG LIVE THE NORTH!

[zippinen]

kill ratio on this front must be the best of ww2.for finns.

[prestodc]

this is really interesting, im really enjoying it, thanks for uploading!

[FACTUNTHJU]

this so boring

[fuggsakes]

Then go watch something about sarah palin you historic illiterate

[Finchy000]

History about the Second World War is never boring.

[GmaulGOD]

@Finchy000 you're wrong ;) if its Soviet document it is...

[GmaulGOD]

@Finchy000 you're wrong ;) if its Soviet document it is...

[totalwarfreak1]

the naziz used bliezkrieg and that is hard to stop

[Bereft008]

Blitzkrieg stops when fuel supply ends or there are no roads to "blitz" on. Blitzkrieg slows to a crawl when tanks/mechanized units overrun their supply lines.

[totalwarfreak1]

fuel wasnt something the nazis had little of and if the blitz had to they made own roads

[villanovakid84]

This is a great video. Thanks HoustonGD

[totalwarfreak1]

the french put up resistance but not big enough to defend against the nazist

[doippa123]

yeah.... germans just walked around it by some random bridge untouched

[totalwarfreak1]

the french defended the maginot-line in that line it was heavy at defence, light artillery, fortified forts and underground rails between

[doippa123]

meaning the maginot line

[totalwarfreak1]

yeah heavy fortified but no chance to stop bliezkrieg

[multigenes]

the price to pay being neutral :(

[nekwa2]

"3 to 1 in manpower, 80 to 1 in tanks, 5 to 1 in artillery and 5½ to 1 in aircrafts" (!) That's insane.

[doippa123]

whole strength ratio was 10:1

[justmymage]

ya, finland FTW, and well ussr sucked balls pretty hard :D

[nemesixsixsix]

the finns sure fought tooth and nail for their territory, but i cant agree with the comments about the french. remember who pulled out of france before the fighting ceased, Britain.

[HoustonGD]

Like what the famed series "World at War" stated:

"In World War I the French cheered on to Berlin. In World War II It was lets get it over with."

[TTiger75]

@HoustonGD Did you know that newer research by historians tend to see WWI and WWII as one big great War like the 30 years war in Germany?

[marjis3]

mave.foorumi.eu

[TTiger75]

@HoustonGD Did you know that newer research by historians tend to see WWI and WWII as one big great War like the 30 years war in Germany?

[marjis3]

mave.foorumi.eu

[starcatcher7777]

Fins put up a better fight than the French!

[liquidgrave]

haha go Fins

[Tony240Z]

I can't agree with you guys.The French DIDN'T fight, but the Finns did, and they won. :-)

[MultiMarcus99]

@liquidgrave goooo swedes!!!

[MultiMarcus99]

@liquidgrave goooo swedes!!!