There's some hope when you see guys like Hitchens, James Randi, Bill Maher, etc., but it's indrecible that ALL political debate in the GOP is based on religion crap. America is sinking with these fucking burglars and religious nuts.
If the religious can take the credit for all the 'charity' work done then they MUST take credit for the Aids, children with diseases in poor African countries because some believe the cure being administered by doctors is evil... and have to agree with LordSlag, the atrocities in the bible.
@Liekkek Pharaoh had agreed to let the Israelites go many times in the myth of Exodus, only to have god "harden Pharaoh's heart" so that he could kill more Egyptians and show off his might. Exodus 7:3 "And I will harden Pharaohs heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt" How is that not god taking pleasure in the death of innocents?
The Pope and all the other Goddy fuckwitts can at last rest in their beds at night. Who can we turn to now to save us from religious bullshit now the Hitch is dead?
Theists are categorically incapable of altruism and integrity. For an act to be truly altruistic, there would be absolutely no expectation of reward. No Christian can say that they aren't hoping to make it into heaven. Integrity also requires that we take full responsibility for our actions. Theists of those religions are incapable of doing this, as they consider their god to be ultimately responsible.
Only atheists can be altruistic and have integrity.
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@Liekkek"as an intelligent man he would know to apologize to God for his lack of faith during life and would be admitted into heaven"
ROFL. It doesn't really work that way according to your book, and I've listened to and read a lot of Hitchens. I have never see him say that he would apologize to God.
islam is such shit, well, religion in general is shit, but crazy tards that want to kill you because you don't have their imaginary friends are the worst.
Of course, these Imams were arrested for incitement of racial/religious intolerance and incitement to riot/public unrest. No? I guess those laws only work one way.
27:30 Correct me if I"m wrong but didn't various communist countries, some of which were undoubtedly presided over by a non-believer (atheist) of one sort or another, destroy places of worship in the 20th Century? Seems like an awful big oversight to me, and I can't imagine Hitch wasn't aware of these instances. Am I wrong?
These regimes were not driven by atheism....that's not possible. People are driven by what they do believe is true, not by what they do not accept. Communism is a political dogma in its own right, National Socialism is another. It is dogma that's the problem, not religion per se. The problem is that all religions are rife with dogmas that force their adherents to believe silly things and act accordingly.
@kshackleton Right, the religious extremists who blow-up each-others houses of worship, are driven by their religious obligations. Atheism can't drive anything. It's incapable of gaining a driving license.
Perhaps, but they were driven by some sort of dogma in which the church or holy site was seen as a threat to that dogma, so they were not Secular Humanist.
Certainly not secular nor humanists, and definitely not secular humanists. However the point of contention is whether or not non-believers have destroyed places of worship, not what dogma drove them to do it.
@dookiecheez Right, the religious extremists who blow-up each-others houses of worship, are driven by their religious obligations. Atheism can't drive anything. It's incapable of gaining a driving license.
@dookiecheez Which 'communist countries?' The Russian communist take-over was christian, for one example. And I don't know of a single 'atheist' regime that went out to destroy any place of worship. As Hitchens pointed out, religions attack each other. That is to say, atheists have no dog in the fight.
Also, if there was a communist nation that was headed by an atheist it does not mean that the nation's actions were driven by atheism, usually communism itself is the binding ideology.
The takeover was likely Christian, as was a majority of the country at the time. However, the point was that a non-believer of some kind presided over a country that destroyed places of worship.
There is no such thing as an atheist regime, and I don't think an action can be derived from atheism. Please read more carefully.
@dookiecheez "There is no such thing as an atheist regime" This was my point, even if an atheist presided over a nation which took part in destroying places of worship it would not be an atheistic action as more are involved than just the top person(s), it would take a whole regime. It wouldn't have been an oversight on Hitchens part simply because the actions would not be because of an atheist presiding but rather a communist, communism then is the reigning ideology and reason for destruction.
You seem to be taking the discussion to a place that Hitchens didn't take it. He said he didn't know of non-believers destroying places of worship, rather than stating that he knows of no non-believers that destroyed places of worship out of non-belief. It isn't about which dogma caused which actions, it's merely his statement about non-believers not destroying places of worship, of which I state there are cases.
Pol Pot didn't believe in any god as far as I know, neither did Stalin, or Mao, and to the best of my knowledge they all destroyed or at least ordered the destruction of places of worship.
@dookiecheez Not sure that entirely true - these guys attempted to dismantle religion not out of non-belief but simply because they were totalitarians who could not stomach any challenge to thier power over the people.
These guys wanted no god worshiped other than themselves - and adoped the same tactics as the religions they attacked to control the same un-educated masses.
Non-belief? No evidence of that - they just didn't like rivals..
@dookiecheez Pol Pot went to a catholic school and fought to put a totalitarian (maoist) regime and so it had nothing to do with non-belief. Stalin was a christian. Mao was a marxist, which is what drove his ideological actions. Even if these men WERE non-believers, their actions were not claimed as being committed in the name on non-belief. Religious people often claim their actions in the NAME of religious belief.
@dookiecheez Your original message that I responded to was, "...didn't various communist countries, some of which were undoubtedly presided over by a non-believer..., destroy places of worship in the 20th Century? Seems like an awful big oversight to me, and I can't imagine Hitch wasn't aware of these instances. Am I wrong?"
I'm not hink for saying, no, it was NOT an oversight. Show one example. Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin don't count as they had belief, look it up.
They did not have a belief in any GOD. That makes them atheists, which are a kind of non-believer. While I can see how someone as thick as yourself might think that non-believer is someone with no beliefs about anything whatsoever, that's not what it means. Thus they are three examples of non-believers that destroyed places of worship.
Hitchens himself listed secular humanist under non-believer, so at the very least you must realize that a non-believer can have non-theological beliefs such as the principles of humanism, the political ideology of communism, and even the religion of buddhism.
@dookiecheez How is it that you KNOW they didn't believe in any god? Pol Pot went to a catholic school for a time, may he did believe. I don't know about Mao and Stalin was a christian. I think that you might be the thick one since you can't be bothered to check your own assertions before snapping at someone else.
If you look at what the three individuals said about religion, god, and their own beliefs it clearly indicates, and in some cases explicitly states, that they did not believe in any god.
Going to catholic school does not make one catholic, I seriously hope you realize that.
Stalin was a Christian? Citation for that? Any citation whatsoever?
My assertions are what is generally accepted as fact about these three individuals, and I have checked them.
@dookiecheez I am saying I don't think it was an oversight and I very much doubt you have a single case. If you do, please post it. I would even bet that if you have a case in mind that I could show that it wasn't non-belief that drove the actions but rather a different ideology. Religious people destroy others' places of worship out of ideology, so I bet that any case you find will be done out of ideology and not simply because of an atheist presiding, which supports Hitchens' statement.
Pol Pot didn't believe in any god as far as I know, neither did Stalin, or Mao, and to the best of my knowledge they all destroyed or at least ordered the destruction of places of worship.
Again, and for the last time. I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS OUT OF NON-BELIEF, IN FACT I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT. All I'm claiming is the existence of historical examples of someone who is non-believer destroying places of worship. Learn to read ffs.
Religion; because where would we be without divisive dogmatic ideologies that are capable of justifying murder for drawing a cartoon of a person who explicitly asked in writing not to be deified. If there's anything that doesn't say deification it's murdering someone for portraying them, am I right? Irony, check it.
@MrPhilosopher1950 A magazine was removed from shelves at Borders which had images of the cartoons published in it. That is at least partially the reason it would seem.
For anyone who likes Christopher Hitchens speeches and lectures, may i recommend a gentleman called Robert G Ingersoll , an excellent orator and atheist who lived nearly 200 years ago, there are some wonderful speeches of his that have been put on youtube, well worth a listen, Hitchens gives him a mention in his book God is not Great.
Hitch was such a great deflater of egos, a caller out of all the bullshit in the world and a brilliant writer. He will be missed, but we still have his words and ideas and anyone with a conscience should read him asiduously.
@Liekkek So who told you that? Did jesus come down from heaven and tell you? Did Hitchens give you a call, personally, and tell you this and mention that he now believes? Did you consult a medium to talk to the dead? Or prehaps you are dead yourself and actually saw him there and are magically typing from heaven. Please, since you seem to have special knowledge, tell us all how you came by it. And no, your bible doesn't count as it doesn't mention Christopher Hitchens at all.
@savageecho i know this because God forgives those who have fallen from grace, as Hitchens had, but as an intelligent man he would know to apologise to God for his lack of faith during life and would be admitted into heaven :) :)
"as an intelligent man he would know to apologize to God for his lack of faith during life and would be admitted into heaven"
ROFL. It doesn't really work that way according to your book, and I've listened to and read a lot of Hitchens. I have never see him say that he would apologize to God.
@ScissorHand26 atheists like to twist the bibles words to make it sound like a cruel book but really God is all about love and peace and those who follow him know this :) those who don't are usually very bitter and angry people...:(
@Zentz29 if they are truly sorry then God will forgive them :) it's a shame atheists don't seem to be so forgiving... in fact they seem quite bitter and angry...:(
What you're saying is just stupid. You are contradicting the god you claim to believe in. It does NOT say what you claim ANYWHERE in the bible.
All you are doing is adding to the bible because you want to believe what you say. You are an idiot. You are just making it up because you like the idea of it.
Bitter & angry? Yep! That's only on the internet though. When I'm talking to random people online I have no problem telling them they're idiots.
@Liekkek Listen retard. The bible says (new testament) that you can only go to heaven if you accept Jesus as your savior. Do you agree or disagree with that?
You are claiming that you can be forgiven by god after you die, but the bible doesn't say that anywhere. There is not a single passage in the bible that says it, but there ARE passages that say it is not true. Do you understand?
@Zentz29 i went to a religious school and i have been a christian all my life and go to church 3 times a week when i can with my family :)) God forgives those who get to heaven and repent for their sins :)
@Liekkek It's true! I believe it also holds true of many of the thousands of gods homosapiens believed were real throughout history. Unfortunately, your god has the same evidence that Thor or Krishna has... none.
@Liekkek I'm not bitter or angry... angry and bitter about what exactly? You're just parroting what your funamentalist leaders say. There's nothing behind your words. What do you and your god talk about? You think Allah has the same conversations with Muslims? From the outside, it all looks like lunacy, this I hope you understand. Humans are smart now, we know the earth is billions of years old, and that we've evolved.
@Liekkek Just ignore the rest of what I said. Read some science, explore human discovery, because you're mindset is that of the dark ages. Gods aren't real, humans made them up to account for things they didn't understand. We now understand so much about the universe that a god watching us from the sky is laughable. Read your Bible COVER TO COVER. If you don't finish knowing that you are much more moral than the Yahweh character... you deserve to be stuck in it. Remember, cover to cover
@superduperjew i've read it cover to cover many times with my family and friends, and it always inspires me to make my community a better place and to help people :) if you think that makes me a bad person then it's you who has a problem and not me :) :)
@Liekkek At least your delusion causes you to feel happy, which is a step up from having a delusion that makes you miserable. A step up from that would be to stop having delusions and be happy with reality. You are an atheist like the rest of us. I just believe in one less god than you. Don't fear, you'll get there. Good luck!
@leomcallister9 i'm happy because i have a relationship with God and in my small community here in Finland we like to make our town a nicer place help the less fortunate :) i'm sorry if you hate Samaritans but they're always there to help you if you need it and they don't discriminate against atheists no matter how angry or bitter the atheist may be :))
@Nashtak talk to your local church about more information on having a personal relationship with Jesus :) he's more uplifting than any drug you might find on the streets :))
@Liekkek I don't know about the atheists you know, but my experience has not been like yours. In my experience (raised as a fundamentalist Christian) God was always given the CREDIT for anyone being happy or loving, but the rules of God made most people rather miserable and oppressed. I had a lot of trouble resolving those two truths until I became an atheist. NOW I have the peace which I sought as a Christian, but never found. Atheist anger is about religious lies, not people.
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@Crunchy68 in my experience atheists are very insulting of me personally calling me names like "retard" and even "cunt" :( from my experience atheists are very bigoted people who just hate people of faith :(
@Liekkek Well, that's pretty rotten manners, it's true. I'm sorry anyone would use that kind of language. But are they really insulting YOU? Do they even know you well enough to be insulting the real YOU? Or are they just insulting the religion and religious beliefs they think you stand for? Rotten manners aren't cool, but I really think angry atheists don't hate people, they hate oppressive ideas. Unless they're just dicks. (You know.)
@Liekkek Atheists don't hate people of faith, we hate the evil that your faith causes you to do in the real world. You worship a being that murders babies. Noah's Flood, 10th Plague of Egypt. Now, you must either square yourself for approving of mass infanticide, give your god a get out of jail card that you don't extend to mortals or other gods for no reason at all endorsing "might makes right", OR, shock of shocks, admit that your stupid bible is just a fairy tale. Which will it be, sir?
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@LordSlag i like to help people happy and i do charity work aswell to make my community a nicer place to live :) you must be very bitter and angry if you think that charity work is evil :(
@Liekkek FWIW, I am a total atheist, but I still belong to a church (Unitarian Universalist) that makes me happy. I enjoy the interactions with other wonderful people. Our church makes a point of taking on as many charity (or as we like to call them, Social Justice) issues as we can. We feed the homeless. We care for the sick and dying. We extend friendship and compassion to gays (or anyone, really, who needs it). Charity is a human thing, not a "religious" thing.
@Liekkek Hey, stupid fucknut, try actually addressing my point about your god murdering babies in Noah's Flood and the 10th Plague rather than trying to change the subject to get off of the triple spiked hook I've got you on you dishonest shitbag. I donate and do charity work too, that doesn't make atheism correct any more than your altruism makes xtianity correct. Deal with MY POINT, artful dodger.
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@LordSlag you're too mean and cruel to deal with :( i do charity work and make people happy but because i have faith you call me a baby killer and swear at me... :(
@Liekkek See Feynman's "The Relation of Science and Religion" (watch?v=9BVFAYF7zHE).
Those of us who criticize your beliefs have the greatest qualms with the "metaphysical" aspect of your religion; the "inspirational" (which inspires your charity work) is fine with us, and the "ethical" is mostly fine (if redundant).
The point I want you to recognize is that we regard your belief in your god as only tangentially related to your charity work. It's by no means a justification for your beliefs.
@Liekkek You do charity work because your better than your baby murdering god. Deal with my point, you dishonest twat!! And, my point is THIS: Your God Murders Babies! Noah's Flood, 10th Plague. Now, be honest with yourself about your faith, you willfully blind moron!
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@LordSlag i do charity work because i found inspiration to make people happy through the love of God and Jesus :) you can carry on with your childish name calling and temper tantrums, i will carry on being happy and trying to make the world a nicer place to live :)
@Liekkek There is no name calling here: I'm accurately describing you. I too make the world a better place to live with my charity and science, so you don't have a monopoly on that as you tried to imply. Further, notice how you once again did NOT address my point, dishonest fucker? Your god murders babies: Noah's Flood, 10th Plague. Now address that point, nothing but that point, and by doing anything else you admit your god is a baby murdering monster. Now lie some more for Jesus by dodging.
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@LordSlag you say there has been no name calling but you have called me "stupid fucknut, dishonest shitbag, dishonest twat, blind moron, dishonest fucker" :( these are all cruel names that you have called me :( you're the dishonest one, not me...
@Liekkek HAHAHA!! You're so stupid it hurts. Calling you meany names doesn't make me dishonest, liar. Just because I call you a moron doesn't mean that Noah's Flood and the 10th Plague are NOT in the bible, dumbfuck! Notice how you, ONCE AGAIN, didn't deal with the FACT that your god murders babies? Notice how you admitted that I'm right by dodging? Probably not, because you're so willfully blind to the truth you ACTUALLY think that the use of some meany words by me makes me wrong. LOL!
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@LordSlag actually you're wrong because you claimed to have not callen me any cruel names, but then i presented you with a list of the names you had called me :) you can try and laugh it off but i have proven you to be a dishonest liar who is wrong :)
@Liekkek Once again for you, brainless mongoloid: I have not called you names. Everything I've called you is accurate because it describes the state of your willful ignorance. Yes, they're meany words...boohoo. If I say that 2+2=4, and then call you a moron, does that make my math wrong, idiot? Deal with my point, lying douche-bag: Your god murders babies. Noah's Flood, 10th Plague. Stop accusing me of what YOU"RE DOING and be honest with yourself for ONE SECOND in your Life, stupid retard.
@Liekkek My insults to your intelligence are accurate descriptions of reality. Notice how you ONCE AGAIN avoided my point like a writhing snake? Probably not, willfully blind retard. Deal with this point, dishonest fucker: Your god murders babies. Noah's Flood, 10 Plague. Only a shitbag theist not interested in the truth, like you,could continue to think some meany words are more important an issue than you supporting mass infanticide. Thank you for proving me right with every word you write.
@Liekkek Stop dodging you dishonest fucker. Deal with my point. Do you believe it's wrong to murder babies or not? If so, you must accept that your god is a baby murdering monster in Noah's Flood and the 10th Plague. If not, then you're an evil, twisted fuck who approves of mass infanticide. STOP. DODGING. LIAR.
@Liekkek No, you want me to ignore the fact that your god murdered babies in Noah's Flood and the 10th Plague because you're so stupid, ignorant, willfully blind and prejudiced you're willing to actually defend mass infanticide. Are you actually saying that your all intelligent, all merciful god couldn't think up a better way to deal with the problem? Or are you saying he's such an evil monster he chose to drown all the babies in the world rather than snap his fingers and make it all better?
@LordSlag God does not take pleasure in the death of innocents but he did those things so that man would learn to be less wicked in their nature, and in the case of the plague it was to persuade the pharaoh to release the israelites of slavery, so you see there was a good moral in his actions and in the long run :) he guided man to the path of light and helped release the slaves :)
@Liekkek Only religion could make such an otherwise humane person say things so evil and inhuman. It doesn't matter what the goal is, or whether the perpetrator takes pleasure in mass infanticide or not: Mass infanticide is ALWAYS wrong. If you can't agree with me on that, you have had your very humanity hijacked by stupid fairy tales from the bronze ages. Will you please engage your brain for one damned second and be honest with yourself? Use omnipotence to fix everything, or murder babies?
@Liekkek So it's OK to kill babies as long as you feel bad about it? Couldn't the god just mind-fuck the pharaoh into releasing the Jews? Is he not all powerful? Are you telling me your god is unable to change the mind of a single man, and a heathen at that?
@Liekkek Stop dodging you dishonest fucker. Deal with my point. Do you believe it's wrong to murder babies or not? If so, you must accept that your god is a baby murdering monster in Noah's Flood and the 10th Plague. If not, then you're an evil, twisted fuck who approves of mass infanticide. STOP. DODGING. LIAR.
@Punorss your contribution to charity and the happiness is others is a positive reinforcement for my love of the actions of Christ through others :) God bless! :)
@Liekkek I do not need blessing, voodoo incantation or spells! I help my fellow humans because it is right. I do not say..."Hey brother you can have this loaf if you will only join MY CHURCH." Help your fellow man and ask for nothing in return.
@Punorss i think your anger has confused you, i help people and i never ask for anything in return...:) and i am glad that God places the urge to help people inside us :)
@Liekkek I come across religious people that call me all sorts of names for not believing their god exists. They also tell me my family is going to their made up hell for all eternity if I don't follow their god. A person's non-belief in something doesn't determine their actions. People are mean, it has nothing to do with their belief or non-belief in deites. If I come off mean to you, is it because I don't believe in unicorns? No, it's because I'm human and we interact differently.
It has been real, Mr. Hitchens. It sure has.
spin1200s 1 week ago 2
Athiesim and Anti-Theisim are growing at an exponential rate. The world is waking up and will be better off for it.
mathiastheok 2 weeks ago
There's some hope when you see guys like Hitchens, James Randi, Bill Maher, etc., but it's indrecible that ALL political debate in the GOP is based on religion crap. America is sinking with these fucking burglars and religious nuts.
Antimoron2 2 weeks ago
1:40 Hitchens starts
eiriklil 3 weeks ago
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fuck Borders! boss.
SmoothCriminal27 4 weeks ago
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SmoothCriminal27 4 weeks ago
If the religious can take the credit for all the 'charity' work done then they MUST take credit for the Aids, children with diseases in poor African countries because some believe the cure being administered by doctors is evil... and have to agree with LordSlag, the atrocities in the bible.
waves14 1 month ago
@Liekkek Pharaoh had agreed to let the Israelites go many times in the myth of Exodus, only to have god "harden Pharaoh's heart" so that he could kill more Egyptians and show off his might. Exodus 7:3 "And I will harden Pharaohs heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt" How is that not god taking pleasure in the death of innocents?
valkarin1 1 month ago
"It really isn't TAM without Christopher Hitchens"
It certainly won't be the same without him. I was saddened by the great loss of such a fantastic mind... this reminded me why.
122172639 1 month ago
@122172639 Carl Sagan belongs here :')
sayrith 3 weeks ago
Love the Hitch. Will miss his wisdom so much.
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pass it on
pitbull103 1 month ago
The Pope and all the other Goddy fuckwitts can at last rest in their beds at night. Who can we turn to now to save us from religious bullshit now the Hitch is dead?
Punorss 2 months ago
Theists are categorically incapable of altruism and integrity. For an act to be truly altruistic, there would be absolutely no expectation of reward. No Christian can say that they aren't hoping to make it into heaven. Integrity also requires that we take full responsibility for our actions. Theists of those religions are incapable of doing this, as they consider their god to be ultimately responsible.
Only atheists can be altruistic and have integrity.
TheTexanCanadian 2 months ago
Right, off to Boarders, I've got some 'shopping' to do. Always wanted the hardback copy...
happysplodie 2 months ago
very funny and ironic. we need hitch
AndyfromWrexham 2 months ago
sorely and deeply missed, a genius insight into the evil that religion perpetuates...
lawbag1 2 months ago
Thanks for this excellent upload, loved every minute of it!
detersgumig 2 months ago
A well reasoned discussion, and one I thoroughly enjoyed. His death is truly a loss for us all.
DiabloCG 2 months ago
God DAMN it I am going to miss this guy! :P
DavidRandallCurtis 2 months ago 2
Miss you Hitch <3
savszymura 2 months ago
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@Liekkek"as an intelligent man he would know to apologize to God for his lack of faith during life and would be admitted into heaven"
ROFL. It doesn't really work that way according to your book, and I've listened to and read a lot of Hitchens. I have never see him say that he would apologize to God.
KemaTheAtheist 1 hour ago
max2right 2 months ago
He is drinking water Oo
damuschka 2 months ago
@damuschka nah its vodka
marcmischief 2 months ago
Hitchens starts talking at 1:40
SatanFlaskanOchJag 2 months ago
islam is such shit, well, religion in general is shit, but crazy tards that want to kill you because you don't have their imaginary friends are the worst.
dattebenforcer 2 months ago
it starts at 1:42
ljietuvis 2 months ago 13
Of course, these Imams were arrested for incitement of racial/religious intolerance and incitement to riot/public unrest. No? I guess those laws only work one way.
William00048 2 months ago
'come back many more times' - 'you bet, thank you'....... that hit me
Hemmersfield1 2 months ago
We need more guys like him in our society, and less Christian fundamentalism...and this is coming from a Christian lol
wigglesza 2 months ago 22
favourited. possibly the best 30 minutes ever spent shedding the press for its hypocrisy
un2mensch 2 months ago 2
wow and boarders closed down a bunch of its chains just recently didn't it?
beaprod 2 months ago 2
@beaprod last year, yes
hmmBEEFY 2 months ago
@beaprod Another victory for CH
lothrazar 2 months ago 3
Thanks for uploading this!
phinny5608 2 months ago
Well, his Borders boycott seemed to work...
grahamlive 2 months ago
@grahamlive I was thinking the precise same thing. After all, correlation does imply causation, right? :p
Sesoron 2 months ago
Great talk.
beaprod 2 months ago
27:30 Correct me if I"m wrong but didn't various communist countries, some of which were undoubtedly presided over by a non-believer (atheist) of one sort or another, destroy places of worship in the 20th Century? Seems like an awful big oversight to me, and I can't imagine Hitch wasn't aware of these instances. Am I wrong?
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez
These regimes were not driven by atheism....that's not possible. People are driven by what they do believe is true, not by what they do not accept. Communism is a political dogma in its own right, National Socialism is another. It is dogma that's the problem, not religion per se. The problem is that all religions are rife with dogmas that force their adherents to believe silly things and act accordingly.
kshackleton 2 months ago 21
@kshackleton Right, the religious extremists who blow-up each-others houses of worship, are driven by their religious obligations. Atheism can't drive anything. It's incapable of gaining a driving license.
QuantumGh0st 2 months ago
@kshackleton
I never said they were driven by atheism, in fact I would never say that. I said they were no doubt presided over a non-believer of one kind.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez by a*
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez
Perhaps, but they were driven by some sort of dogma in which the church or holy site was seen as a threat to that dogma, so they were not Secular Humanist.
kshackleton 2 months ago
@kshackleton
Certainly not secular nor humanists, and definitely not secular humanists. However the point of contention is whether or not non-believers have destroyed places of worship, not what dogma drove them to do it.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez
On that point I could agree. Hitch likely should have said that the occurrence is rare when compared to those driven by their superstitious dogmas.
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@dookiecheez Right, the religious extremists who blow-up each-others houses of worship, are driven by their religious obligations. Atheism can't drive anything. It's incapable of gaining a driving license.
QuantumGh0st 2 months ago
@QuantumGh0st
I never claimed that atheism could, nor would I. Please read more carefully.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez Which 'communist countries?' The Russian communist take-over was christian, for one example. And I don't know of a single 'atheist' regime that went out to destroy any place of worship. As Hitchens pointed out, religions attack each other. That is to say, atheists have no dog in the fight.
Also, if there was a communist nation that was headed by an atheist it does not mean that the nation's actions were driven by atheism, usually communism itself is the binding ideology.
savageecho 2 months ago
@savageecho
The takeover was likely Christian, as was a majority of the country at the time. However, the point was that a non-believer of some kind presided over a country that destroyed places of worship.
There is no such thing as an atheist regime, and I don't think an action can be derived from atheism. Please read more carefully.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez "There is no such thing as an atheist regime" This was my point, even if an atheist presided over a nation which took part in destroying places of worship it would not be an atheistic action as more are involved than just the top person(s), it would take a whole regime. It wouldn't have been an oversight on Hitchens part simply because the actions would not be because of an atheist presiding but rather a communist, communism then is the reigning ideology and reason for destruction.
savageecho 2 months ago
@savageecho
You seem to be taking the discussion to a place that Hitchens didn't take it. He said he didn't know of non-believers destroying places of worship, rather than stating that he knows of no non-believers that destroyed places of worship out of non-belief. It isn't about which dogma caused which actions, it's merely his statement about non-believers not destroying places of worship, of which I state there are cases.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez What cases?
krackersdave 2 months ago
@krackersdave
Pol Pot didn't believe in any god as far as I know, neither did Stalin, or Mao, and to the best of my knowledge they all destroyed or at least ordered the destruction of places of worship.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez Not sure that entirely true - these guys attempted to dismantle religion not out of non-belief but simply because they were totalitarians who could not stomach any challenge to thier power over the people.
These guys wanted no god worshiped other than themselves - and adoped the same tactics as the religions they attacked to control the same un-educated masses.
Non-belief? No evidence of that - they just didn't like rivals..
krackersdave 2 months ago
@krackersdave
I never said it was out of non-belief, in fact I said the contrary. Honestly, when did you learn to read, last week?
What evidence of non-belief would you like, is it similar to evidence of non-existence?
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez Pol Pot went to a catholic school and fought to put a totalitarian (maoist) regime and so it had nothing to do with non-belief. Stalin was a christian. Mao was a marxist, which is what drove his ideological actions. Even if these men WERE non-believers, their actions were not claimed as being committed in the name on non-belief. Religious people often claim their actions in the NAME of religious belief.
savageecho 2 months ago
@savageecho
You're so thick it's unbelievable. When you'd like to discuss what I'm talking about, let me know.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez Your original message that I responded to was, "...didn't various communist countries, some of which were undoubtedly presided over by a non-believer..., destroy places of worship in the 20th Century? Seems like an awful big oversight to me, and I can't imagine Hitch wasn't aware of these instances. Am I wrong?"
I'm not hink for saying, no, it was NOT an oversight. Show one example. Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin don't count as they had belief, look it up.
savageecho 2 months ago
@savageecho *thick*
savageecho 2 months ago
@savageecho
They did not have a belief in any GOD. That makes them atheists, which are a kind of non-believer. While I can see how someone as thick as yourself might think that non-believer is someone with no beliefs about anything whatsoever, that's not what it means. Thus they are three examples of non-believers that destroyed places of worship.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez
Hitchens himself listed secular humanist under non-believer, so at the very least you must realize that a non-believer can have non-theological beliefs such as the principles of humanism, the political ideology of communism, and even the religion of buddhism.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez How is it that you KNOW they didn't believe in any god? Pol Pot went to a catholic school for a time, may he did believe. I don't know about Mao and Stalin was a christian. I think that you might be the thick one since you can't be bothered to check your own assertions before snapping at someone else.
savageecho 2 months ago
@savageecho
Are you asking for a citation?
If you look at what the three individuals said about religion, god, and their own beliefs it clearly indicates, and in some cases explicitly states, that they did not believe in any god.
Going to catholic school does not make one catholic, I seriously hope you realize that.
Stalin was a Christian? Citation for that? Any citation whatsoever?
My assertions are what is generally accepted as fact about these three individuals, and I have checked them.
dookiecheez 1 month ago
@dookiecheez I am saying I don't think it was an oversight and I very much doubt you have a single case. If you do, please post it. I would even bet that if you have a case in mind that I could show that it wasn't non-belief that drove the actions but rather a different ideology. Religious people destroy others' places of worship out of ideology, so I bet that any case you find will be done out of ideology and not simply because of an atheist presiding, which supports Hitchens' statement.
savageecho 2 months ago
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@savageecho
Pol Pot didn't believe in any god as far as I know, neither did Stalin, or Mao, and to the best of my knowledge they all destroyed or at least ordered the destruction of places of worship.
Again, and for the last time. I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS OUT OF NON-BELIEF, IN FACT I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT. All I'm claiming is the existence of historical examples of someone who is non-believer destroying places of worship. Learn to read ffs.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
Religion; because where would we be without divisive dogmatic ideologies that are capable of justifying murder for drawing a cartoon of a person who explicitly asked in writing not to be deified. If there's anything that doesn't say deification it's murdering someone for portraying them, am I right? Irony, check it.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
I feel a great sorrow in the fact that I will never have the chance to shake this man's hand.
tcorp 2 months ago
Seems so surreal. He is gone. Borders is gone. The present turns to past so quickly.
82abhilash 2 months ago
Can someone tell me why he condemned Borders?
MrPhilosopher1950 2 months ago
@MrPhilosopher1950 Because they refused to sell a magazine that re-printed Muhhamed cartoons in the US.
Amemti 2 months ago
@MrPhilosopher1950
They refused to stock an issue of a magazine that printed the danish cartoons. Listen about 22:40
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@MrPhilosopher1950 A magazine was removed from shelves at Borders which had images of the cartoons published in it. That is at least partially the reason it would seem.
xLightFilmsx 2 months ago
It's an amazing coincidence that just today I was reading The God Delusion and Dawkins was writing about that muslim incident in Denmark.
LtShock 2 months ago 2
Good talk!! Hitch was the man!!
TheUnmaskedMagician 2 months ago
He was truly a great man.
TheCurmudgen 2 months ago
thanks for posting! We are now the Hitchens legacy!
greob 2 months ago
What a great man.
Be asured that you've left behind far more than a few shards of yourself.
TheUnchainedMind 2 months ago 2
Allow me to cut your boredom short 1:40
Phelan666 2 months ago
For anyone who likes Christopher Hitchens speeches and lectures, may i recommend a gentleman called Robert G Ingersoll , an excellent orator and atheist who lived nearly 200 years ago, there are some wonderful speeches of his that have been put on youtube, well worth a listen, Hitchens gives him a mention in his book God is not Great.
bonnie43uk 2 months ago
@bonnie43uk At first I thought you were trolling (G. Ingersoll - Ginger soll), but then I googled the man I saw he was real :D
benqu88 2 months ago
Does anyone have the transcription?
djalessandromagno 2 months ago
Borders is now closed in my town, just to let everyone know. :)
squirreljester2 2 months ago
@squirreljester2 If you give us the coordinates to your town we will know where to drop the bombs.
45means45 2 months ago
@45means45 WTF are you talking about?
squirreljester2 2 months ago
Hitch was such a great deflater of egos, a caller out of all the bullshit in the world and a brilliant writer. He will be missed, but we still have his words and ideas and anyone with a conscience should read him asiduously.
TheMrTomkennedy 2 months ago 4
Great upload. Can't ever get enough of the Hitch.
spideycentz 2 months ago 3
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:'( hitchslap...
how we will miss them...
(thats what its meant to say...)
Spinobreaker 2 months ago
Anti-God debater
killdeslm 2 months ago
Its been real. ;O)
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Katalyzt 2 months ago
Thanks for the upload! Great foundation and great people involved, I miss our pitbull for rational thought, RIP!
ViperRob42 2 months ago
:'( hitchslap...
how we will niss them...
Spinobreaker 2 months ago
The Hitch starts at 1:41
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RIP Hitchens, you are with God now :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek
Are you a troll or just a pedantic douche bag?
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@KemaTheAtheist i am a christian who is happy to announce Hitchens is now walking hand in hand with the lord Jesus Christ :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek So who told you that? Did jesus come down from heaven and tell you? Did Hitchens give you a call, personally, and tell you this and mention that he now believes? Did you consult a medium to talk to the dead? Or prehaps you are dead yourself and actually saw him there and are magically typing from heaven. Please, since you seem to have special knowledge, tell us all how you came by it. And no, your bible doesn't count as it doesn't mention Christopher Hitchens at all.
savageecho 2 months ago
@savageecho i know this because God forgives those who have fallen from grace, as Hitchens had, but as an intelligent man he would know to apologise to God for his lack of faith during life and would be admitted into heaven :) :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
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@Liekkek
"as an intelligent man he would know to apologize to God for his lack of faith during life and would be admitted into heaven"
ROFL. It doesn't really work that way according to your book, and I've listened to and read a lot of Hitchens. I have never see him say that he would apologize to God.
KemaTheAtheist 2 months ago
@Liekkek
I agree with Kema, I think you need to read your bible again. You seem not to understand what it says.
ScissorHand26 2 months ago
@ScissorHand26 atheists like to twist the bibles words to make it sound like a cruel book but really God is all about love and peace and those who follow him know this :) those who don't are usually very bitter and angry people...:(
Liekkek 2 months ago
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@Liekkek
"atheists like to twist the bibles words to make it sound like a cruel book"
There's no twisting needed. It's there on its own.
"really God is all about love and peace"
Mathew 10:34
Read your book some time.
"those who don't are usually very bitter and angry people"
Lying for Jesus is still lying. Off to confession with you.
KemaTheAtheist 2 months ago 3
@Liekkek So anyone who apologizes to god after they die can go to heaven? LMAO
Grow up...
Zentz29 2 months ago
@Zentz29 if they are truly sorry then God will forgive them :) it's a shame atheists don't seem to be so forgiving... in fact they seem quite bitter and angry...:(
Liekkek 2 months ago
What you're saying is just stupid. You are contradicting the god you claim to believe in. It does NOT say what you claim ANYWHERE in the bible.
All you are doing is adding to the bible because you want to believe what you say. You are an idiot. You are just making it up because you like the idea of it.
Bitter & angry? Yep! That's only on the internet though. When I'm talking to random people online I have no problem telling them they're idiots.
I'm very happy in my day to day life.
Zentz29 2 months ago
@Zentz29 God is forgiveness, i'm sorry that you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore this fact :(
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek Listen retard. The bible says (new testament) that you can only go to heaven if you accept Jesus as your savior. Do you agree or disagree with that?
You are claiming that you can be forgiven by god after you die, but the bible doesn't say that anywhere. There is not a single passage in the bible that says it, but there ARE passages that say it is not true. Do you understand?
You are just making it up. PERIOD...
Zentz29 2 months ago 24
@Zentz29 i went to a religious school and i have been a christian all my life and go to church 3 times a week when i can with my family :)) God forgives those who get to heaven and repent for their sins :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek Where does it say what you claim in the bible? Tell me where the bible says that people can be forgiven after death & still go to heaven.
Zentz29 2 months ago
@Liekkek The flying spaghetti monster does the exact same thing!
superduperjew 2 months ago
@superduperjew please refrain from unfunny schoolchild jokes unless you have something serious to say :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek It's true! I believe it also holds true of many of the thousands of gods homosapiens believed were real throughout history. Unfortunately, your god has the same evidence that Thor or Krishna has... none.
superduperjew 2 months ago
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Liekkek 2 months ago
@superduperjew atheists are very bitter and angry from my experience, but my relationship with God makes me a happy loving person :) :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek I'm not bitter or angry... angry and bitter about what exactly? You're just parroting what your funamentalist leaders say. There's nothing behind your words. What do you and your god talk about? You think Allah has the same conversations with Muslims? From the outside, it all looks like lunacy, this I hope you understand. Humans are smart now, we know the earth is billions of years old, and that we've evolved.
superduperjew 2 months ago
@superduperjew which Christian fundamentalist leaders do you think you're referring to? :) i don't think we have those here in Finland... :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek Just ignore the rest of what I said. Read some science, explore human discovery, because you're mindset is that of the dark ages. Gods aren't real, humans made them up to account for things they didn't understand. We now understand so much about the universe that a god watching us from the sky is laughable. Read your Bible COVER TO COVER. If you don't finish knowing that you are much more moral than the Yahweh character... you deserve to be stuck in it. Remember, cover to cover
superduperjew 2 months ago
@superduperjew i've read it cover to cover many times with my family and friends, and it always inspires me to make my community a better place and to help people :) if you think that makes me a bad person then it's you who has a problem and not me :) :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek At least your delusion causes you to feel happy, which is a step up from having a delusion that makes you miserable. A step up from that would be to stop having delusions and be happy with reality. You are an atheist like the rest of us. I just believe in one less god than you. Don't fear, you'll get there. Good luck!
leomcallister9 2 months ago
@leomcallister9 i'm happy because i have a relationship with God and in my small community here in Finland we like to make our town a nicer place help the less fortunate :) i'm sorry if you hate Samaritans but they're always there to help you if you need it and they don't discriminate against atheists no matter how angry or bitter the atheist may be :))
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek Good Samaritan you mean?
Demockracy69 2 months ago
@Demockracy69 yes haha :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek so by saying atheists hate good Samaritans you are in effect saying there are no atheist good Samaritans?
Demockracy69 2 months ago
@Liekkek God sounds like a pretty neat drug. Where can i get them red pills?
Nashtak 2 months ago
@Nashtak talk to your local church about more information on having a personal relationship with Jesus :) he's more uplifting than any drug you might find on the streets :))
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek There is a negative correlation between the level of religiosity of a society and the average level of happiness of its individuals.
Nashtak 2 months ago
@Nashtak where i live our religion makes us very happy :)
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LordSlag 1 month ago
@Liekkek I don't know about the atheists you know, but my experience has not been like yours. In my experience (raised as a fundamentalist Christian) God was always given the CREDIT for anyone being happy or loving, but the rules of God made most people rather miserable and oppressed. I had a lot of trouble resolving those two truths until I became an atheist. NOW I have the peace which I sought as a Christian, but never found. Atheist anger is about religious lies, not people.
Crunchy68 2 months ago 3
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@Crunchy68 in my experience atheists are very insulting of me personally calling me names like "retard" and even "cunt" :( from my experience atheists are very bigoted people who just hate people of faith :(
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek Well, that's pretty rotten manners, it's true. I'm sorry anyone would use that kind of language. But are they really insulting YOU? Do they even know you well enough to be insulting the real YOU? Or are they just insulting the religion and religious beliefs they think you stand for? Rotten manners aren't cool, but I really think angry atheists don't hate people, they hate oppressive ideas. Unless they're just dicks. (You know.)
Crunchy68 2 months ago
@Liekkek Atheists don't hate people of faith, we hate the evil that your faith causes you to do in the real world. You worship a being that murders babies. Noah's Flood, 10th Plague of Egypt. Now, you must either square yourself for approving of mass infanticide, give your god a get out of jail card that you don't extend to mortals or other gods for no reason at all endorsing "might makes right", OR, shock of shocks, admit that your stupid bible is just a fairy tale. Which will it be, sir?
LordSlag 2 months ago 38
@LordSlag I generally look at the religious through the glass of sympathy... Or pity I can never decide which it is.
Demockracy69 2 months ago 2
@LordSlag Well said.
kaduisaui 2 months ago 4
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@LordSlag i like to help people happy and i do charity work aswell to make my community a nicer place to live :) you must be very bitter and angry if you think that charity work is evil :(
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek FWIW, I am a total atheist, but I still belong to a church (Unitarian Universalist) that makes me happy. I enjoy the interactions with other wonderful people. Our church makes a point of taking on as many charity (or as we like to call them, Social Justice) issues as we can. We feed the homeless. We care for the sick and dying. We extend friendship and compassion to gays (or anyone, really, who needs it). Charity is a human thing, not a "religious" thing.
Crunchy68 2 months ago
@Liekkek Hey, stupid fucknut, try actually addressing my point about your god murdering babies in Noah's Flood and the 10th Plague rather than trying to change the subject to get off of the triple spiked hook I've got you on you dishonest shitbag. I donate and do charity work too, that doesn't make atheism correct any more than your altruism makes xtianity correct. Deal with MY POINT, artful dodger.
LordSlag 2 months ago 26
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@LordSlag you're too mean and cruel to deal with :( i do charity work and make people happy but because i have faith you call me a baby killer and swear at me... :(
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek See Feynman's "The Relation of Science and Religion" (watch?v=9BVFAYF7zHE).
Those of us who criticize your beliefs have the greatest qualms with the "metaphysical" aspect of your religion; the "inspirational" (which inspires your charity work) is fine with us, and the "ethical" is mostly fine (if redundant).
The point I want you to recognize is that we regard your belief in your god as only tangentially related to your charity work. It's by no means a justification for your beliefs.
airandfingers 2 months ago 3
@Liekkek You do charity work because your better than your baby murdering god. Deal with my point, you dishonest twat!! And, my point is THIS: Your God Murders Babies! Noah's Flood, 10th Plague. Now, be honest with yourself about your faith, you willfully blind moron!
LordSlag 2 months ago 19
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@LordSlag i do charity work because i found inspiration to make people happy through the love of God and Jesus :) you can carry on with your childish name calling and temper tantrums, i will carry on being happy and trying to make the world a nicer place to live :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek There is no name calling here: I'm accurately describing you. I too make the world a better place to live with my charity and science, so you don't have a monopoly on that as you tried to imply. Further, notice how you once again did NOT address my point, dishonest fucker? Your god murders babies: Noah's Flood, 10th Plague. Now address that point, nothing but that point, and by doing anything else you admit your god is a baby murdering monster. Now lie some more for Jesus by dodging.
LordSlag 2 months ago 10
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@LordSlag you say there has been no name calling but you have called me "stupid fucknut, dishonest shitbag, dishonest twat, blind moron, dishonest fucker" :( these are all cruel names that you have called me :( you're the dishonest one, not me...
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek HAHAHA!! You're so stupid it hurts. Calling you meany names doesn't make me dishonest, liar. Just because I call you a moron doesn't mean that Noah's Flood and the 10th Plague are NOT in the bible, dumbfuck! Notice how you, ONCE AGAIN, didn't deal with the FACT that your god murders babies? Notice how you admitted that I'm right by dodging? Probably not, because you're so willfully blind to the truth you ACTUALLY think that the use of some meany words by me makes me wrong. LOL!
LordSlag 2 months ago 3
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@LordSlag actually you're wrong because you claimed to have not callen me any cruel names, but then i presented you with a list of the names you had called me :) you can try and laugh it off but i have proven you to be a dishonest liar who is wrong :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek Once again for you, brainless mongoloid: I have not called you names. Everything I've called you is accurate because it describes the state of your willful ignorance. Yes, they're meany words...boohoo. If I say that 2+2=4, and then call you a moron, does that make my math wrong, idiot? Deal with my point, lying douche-bag: Your god murders babies. Noah's Flood, 10th Plague. Stop accusing me of what YOU"RE DOING and be honest with yourself for ONE SECOND in your Life, stupid retard.
LordSlag 2 months ago 4
@LordSlag "Once again for you, brainless mongoloid: I have not called you names." you must be really crazy, haha :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek My insults to your intelligence are accurate descriptions of reality. Notice how you ONCE AGAIN avoided my point like a writhing snake? Probably not, willfully blind retard. Deal with this point, dishonest fucker: Your god murders babies. Noah's Flood, 10 Plague. Only a shitbag theist not interested in the truth, like you,could continue to think some meany words are more important an issue than you supporting mass infanticide. Thank you for proving me right with every word you write.
LordSlag 2 months ago 2
@LordSlag do you believe in doing things for the greater good? :)
Liekkek 1 month ago
@Liekkek Stop dodging you dishonest fucker. Deal with my point. Do you believe it's wrong to murder babies or not? If so, you must accept that your god is a baby murdering monster in Noah's Flood and the 10th Plague. If not, then you're an evil, twisted fuck who approves of mass infanticide. STOP. DODGING. LIAR.
LordSlag 1 month ago
@LordSlag i think you should read into the reasons those events happened instead of taking one element at face value...:)
Liekkek 1 month ago
@Liekkek No, you want me to ignore the fact that your god murdered babies in Noah's Flood and the 10th Plague because you're so stupid, ignorant, willfully blind and prejudiced you're willing to actually defend mass infanticide. Are you actually saying that your all intelligent, all merciful god couldn't think up a better way to deal with the problem? Or are you saying he's such an evil monster he chose to drown all the babies in the world rather than snap his fingers and make it all better?
LordSlag 1 month ago
@LordSlag God does not take pleasure in the death of innocents but he did those things so that man would learn to be less wicked in their nature, and in the case of the plague it was to persuade the pharaoh to release the israelites of slavery, so you see there was a good moral in his actions and in the long run :) he guided man to the path of light and helped release the slaves :)
Liekkek 1 month ago
@Liekkek Only religion could make such an otherwise humane person say things so evil and inhuman. It doesn't matter what the goal is, or whether the perpetrator takes pleasure in mass infanticide or not: Mass infanticide is ALWAYS wrong. If you can't agree with me on that, you have had your very humanity hijacked by stupid fairy tales from the bronze ages. Will you please engage your brain for one damned second and be honest with yourself? Use omnipotence to fix everything, or murder babies?
LordSlag 1 month ago
@Liekkek So it's OK to kill babies as long as you feel bad about it? Couldn't the god just mind-fuck the pharaoh into releasing the Jews? Is he not all powerful? Are you telling me your god is unable to change the mind of a single man, and a heathen at that?
MrGogoZec 1 month ago
@MrGogoZec if he had simply snapped his fingers and changed the pharaohs attitude then there would be no lesson to be learned :)
Liekkek 1 month ago
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@Liekkek Stop dodging you dishonest fucker. Deal with my point. Do you believe it's wrong to murder babies or not? If so, you must accept that your god is a baby murdering monster in Noah's Flood and the 10th Plague. If not, then you're an evil, twisted fuck who approves of mass infanticide. STOP. DODGING. LIAR.
LordSlag 1 month ago
@LordSlag omg ur liek the next hitchens. u shood rite a book!
skdjhfkdhfa 2 months ago
@Liekkek I do it because it is the right thing to do! Nothing to do with Jesus!
Punorss 2 months ago
@Punorss your contribution to charity and the happiness is others is a positive reinforcement for my love of the actions of Christ through others :) God bless! :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek I do not need blessing, voodoo incantation or spells! I help my fellow humans because it is right. I do not say..."Hey brother you can have this loaf if you will only join MY CHURCH." Help your fellow man and ask for nothing in return.
Punorss 2 months ago
@Punorss i think your anger has confused you, i help people and i never ask for anything in return...:) and i am glad that God places the urge to help people inside us :)
Liekkek 2 months ago
@Liekkek I come across religious people that call me all sorts of names for not believing their god exists. They also tell me my family is going to their made up hell for all eternity if I don't follow their god. A person's non-belief in something doesn't determine their actions. People are mean, it has nothing to do with their belief or non-belief in deites. If I come off mean to you, is it because I don't believe in unicorns? No, it's because I'm human and we interact differently.
superduperjew 2 months ago 2
@superduperjew The only things we can't argue over are facts. And the facts are in on all religions...
superduperjew 2 months ago