Re: Crucifixion Debate 2nd Rebuttal

[xiaahmad]

Hy Brett

I uploaded it on my channel from ozzy's channel original is available on his channel: Ozzycda

[james48890743]

The Quran says Allah sent down the Torah, the Psalms, the books of the prophets and the Gospel and they are from God? Can you name any other book on this planet that contains all of these books and claims to be from God as well the God of THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK I.E. CHRISTIANS AND JEWS!! Muslims are pretty dumb whey they say that the Bible is corrupted because their religion teaches Allah sent it down. So how was able to screw with their god's books or did Allah allow his books to get screwed?

[xiaahmad]

even going by ur lousy argument

still Quran does not mentions Letters of PAUL

so there ur stupid claim has air blown out of it :D

so start talking some sense which I dont see in any of ur talks :D

[james48890743]

Ok then I dare you to say Ibn Kathir is a liar ignorant dummy who was talking non sense.

[xiaahmad]

Again I told u before that he just quoted the "opinion" of some other guy. I think u intentionally forgot that :D

also Quran does not talks about Letters of PAUL so u point is pawned then and there 'that Quran authenticate Bible'

Start think so that next time u dont make a JOKE out of ur self and Christianity :D

[james48890743]

Ok but I date you to say bn Kathir one of the top scholars of Islam is a liar ignorant dummy who was talking non sense so I can get the Muslims to come and kill you for saying such a thing. As the Quran says chapter 3:7 only, Allah and the scholars know the Quran.

[xiaahmad]

Explained u just above that the just quoted the opinion of another person, May be u dont have the habit of reading.

and Like always u failed to respond to the point I raised :D

come on u said Quran testify Bible plz tell where Quran talks about Letter of Paul u are running. Are u afraid?

[xiaahmad]

Reply where Quran talks about Paul letters? which are in bible

come on u make some claim that Quran testify bible but have failed to back it up with proofs

[james48890743]

Where is the authentic Bible so I can follow it?

[xiaahmad]

why are u not answer the questions James??? :D

and instead all the time asking counter questions so just think about it wat kind of week faith u got

[CorrectInfo]

Present form of Christianity since 325 A.D. (Aft meeting of council of Nicea wid pagan Romans) hs IN NO WAY any relation wid the actual teaching of Jesus & original Syriac/Aramaic Bible tht does not exist today. Prevailing so called Christianity is IN FACT "Roman Paganism" which is ONLY & ONLY mere a pack of blasphemy, crude forgery, myths & fictions. Prevailing Bibles hs bin edited again & again by priests. Even MANY unbiased educated Christian scholars know abt this truth VERY WELL

[CorrectInfo]

Wise people finally come to the path of all prophets - Islam.

Also wise people understand that Roman Paganism (Existing Christianity) founded by a tent maker Roman Jew Saul later called Paul, & canonized by Roman Pagan's Emperor Constantine & council of Nicaea 325 AD has in no way any relation with the teaching of Jesus who like Abraham Moses Muhammad just preached Islam.

Paul has created biggest dogmatic fiction of mankind history & his believers are the most deluded people on this planet

[KeithTruth]

This guy is a liar.

[xiaahmad]

same way u called Sami liar and he exposed u :D

try talking with OZZY then u ll know who is lying

[KeithTruth]

Sami? you mean that dummy who was exposed on my blog? the hypocrite and laughing stock?

[xiaahmad]

come on every one heard the debate so stop making excuses

if u wana try with ozzy go talk to him challenge him instead of crying here

I still ask u to stop believing in Three in One Gods

start beliving in ONE in real not just claims

[KeithTruth]

I hope everyone listens to the debate. The unbias person will see that there were no agreed to rules and everytime I was smoking Sami ans showing his inconsistancies I would get silenced.

For the muslim, however, they don't see a problem with this because it was a muslim mod and room. You are a tribal group who cares not about fairness and justice. Only cheap street arguments and silencing opposition when they expose you. The coward Sami wont debate me again. I challenged him

[xiaahmad]

lolz they look to u like cheap street arguments coz u can answer

fairness? again how many times in debate u was asked not to go of topic but u failed coz u dont have answer about ur religion so u kept on trying to divert topic

any one can hear that it was clear frm the debate for next time learn the way to debate (by the way most of the time i see christian doing that)

[KeithTruth]

After I refuted the kid I would show Sami's double standards and how allah took responsibility for OT events. That is not going off topic. The topic was the OT events. Since I reveiled that those same events have been attributed to allah it is not off topic.

Secondly I never agreed to the last minute rules of not being able to expose double standards. I was warned to not expose them but just because someone gives a desperate warning that doesn't mean it was just to do. What didn't I answer?

[xiaahmad]

refuted?

U didnt took the first challenge that he gave in his first response and u say u refuted :D

all u was saying that bible has peaceful stuff TOO but that wont gona remove the violent stuff?

u say after return of jesus when so many ppl will be killed it will be for short time. tell me If u nuke some country in just few mins u ll kill so many ppl will that be right coz time is short ? wat kind of funny logic was that

so any one can see that when u was not able to answer u try to divert :)

[KeithTruth]

If he wants me to condemn the OT he must first condemn allah for taking responsibility. How Christ would have us conduct ourselves until his return is what determins if the religion is peaceful plus luke 19:27 is with respect to slaying a one world army that you can read about in revelation not dropping bomb on innocent people. Sahih Muslim says end will not come until you kill all the Jews. So by your standards islam is not peaceful.

keithtruth,blogspot,com/2009/0­3/contra-sami-zaatari,html

[xiaahmad]

He said that he ll debate on Islam sepratly but u was not ready to accept that challenge and u didnt in ur whole video :D

wat Islam has to do with u condemning or not condemning the OT verse. just coz u couldnt agree nor u cant condemn that u try to aviod it by asking counter question and by diverting the topic but u failed and every one say that.

[KeithTruth]

Ok I'm going to explain this one more time. His smokescreen of being willing to debate Islam later does not justify him not answering me then about his double standards and me getting dotted.

IF WE DEBATED ISLAM I WOULDN'T EVEN BRING UP THE POINTS BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST NOTING HIS DOUBLE STANDARDS. I WOULDN'T USE THEM AS ARGUMENTS AGAINST ISLAM BECAUSE ITS IN THE BIBLE TOO. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?? DO YOU KNOW HOW TO COMPREHEND THINGS OR THINK?

Muslims are the most idiodic people on the planet

[xiaahmad]

again foul mouthing is not gona help ur case. infact it shows wat kind of person are u:)

thing is u try to divert the topic and didnt answer the first challenge even any one hearing the debate will know that it clear.

wat double standards when topic was christianity why was u talking about Islam that what I see all christians do when they dont have the answer on there own belief so that just expose u and ur faith even more.

learn to debate so that u dont end up making joke out of ur self :D

[KeithTruth]

No diverting from me. When he brought up OT I told him why it is not relevant if Christianity is a religion of peace. Because the law hangs on 2 commands Christ said the 2nd greatest command of all is loving your neighbor. That outweighs everything he brought up. I refuted 2 timothy 3:16/luke 19:27. And luke 18:20 explicitly says don't kill.

Atter I was done refuting him with stuff like that I would show his double standards because his own allah took responsibility for the OT events.

[xiaahmad]

isnt OT frm Jesus too (as u believe him to be same GOD like father and HG)

then why u ignore it ???

or are u saying Jesus teach something and other two teach something else??? :D

[KeithTruth]

islam is terrorist cult yes.

[KeithTruth]

Becuase you must be a little slow let me tell what the double standard is. The OT is bad bad because if the killings even though allah took responsibility for the events.

Case and point. That is a double standard. And because what I did to him, the muslims dotted me. Now Sami won't ever debate me again that coward.

[xiaahmad]

Lolz u go off topic that why u doted and that too after many warnings

u was just making joke out of ur self by diverting topic and not answering the one simple challenge

was OT frm some other GOD? or u just pick and chose what ever u like?

[KeithTruth]

You just don't listen and keep repeating yourself over and over again even though I explained everything.

Muslims are a hopeless cause.

[CubeLuda]

Did Dr. White ever reply to this?

[Juliocyp]

One more thing; The gospels, to be reliable, don't have to read exactly the same, hence the four gospels are avaliable, because only Matthew records the dead rising doesn't mean it's false. Not a historian I can see.

[Juliocyp]

I see a lack of consistency Colin.

[muslim9x9x]

...copies that existed during the Prophet's time. And when the Prophet said "I believe in thee and Him who revealed thee" (the Torah), he was alluding to the Original Torah. He said "Do not believe them or disbelieve them, but affirm the Quran" (Bukhari) because they changed the texts, they also fabricate things (31:6, 3:78, etc). The Quran says "they changed the words" (2:59, 5:41) so they cannot be trusted!

youtube com/user/iqraproductions

/watch?v=Hg62p7I-_nY

[muslim9x9x]

Now this Qur'an could not possibly have been devised by anyone save God: nay indeed, [59] it confirms the truth of whatever there still remains [of earlier revelations] (Muhammad Asad, 10:37)

The Quran is the Judge and Authority, the Furqan, the Muhaymin (5:48), the Mubeen (Clarifier), it makes things clear. IT says the Jews and Christians changed their books (5:13-14, 4:190, 31:6, 2:79). The Quran confirms the Original Torah and Gospel revealed TO Moses and Jesus! not the corrupted..