Darwinism as religion?

[Laughingblades]

Market Darwinism (aka "free" market) is like a religion :3

[imrational]

@Laughingblades

Yes and no. I think there is some truth to it. Unfortunately, people seem to ignore the market's influence on government, affecting the "free-ness of it".

[Laughingblades]

@imrational :3 people's naive utopian beliefs about how and why Market Darwinism is a good thing and what a free market does is like a religion. Kind of like the naive utopianism of communists who put too much faith in the intellect, reciprocity, kindness and cooperativeness of people.

[metacosmos]

Have a look please at my video:"Dawkins a fanatical darwinist".

[boosie007666]

Darwin was catholic. When he took his famous voyage aboard the Beagle he began to see evidence against the idea of a creator. One of the small things that made him atheist was the observation of parasitic wasps lying eggs in the body of a living spider. He realised that a benevolent and loving creator wouldn't create such a monstrous form of larval growth, let alone make multiple variations of reproduction and birth.

[12ozshark]

It's like Darwinism has become a fundamentalist religion - can't question it, challenge it - it's fact

[gerontodon]

Evolution isn't dawinism-- that's the theory that biological form and function are created incrementally due to random mutation and natural selection. I think that idea has had it's day, personally.

I think some people *do* have an ideological commitment to darwinism, but they're not all atheists. Most are materialists, but some are theistic evolutionists.

[TTTtirsa]

This is craptaztic!!

[miles101457]

SCIENCE RULES FOR EVER!

[MNBrant]

Not all EMT's are Atheist.

[imrational]

@MNBrant

No, but their defibrillators are :P

[zcb12345]

excellent. conveyency superb.

[Kalahridudex]

1. was darwin always a theist, a theist converting to atheism or always an atheist.

2. if he always was an atheist, what did he believe before he came up with evolution?

3. was he a theistic evolutionist or a natural evolutionist?

[imrational]

Kalhridudex,

I always thought he was a Christian who deconverted to Deism and remained an agnostic Deist until his death.

[hmammoth]

That is correct. He desperately wanted to believe in God but he could not really rationalize the God of the bible. So yeah that would likely make him an agnostic.

[Paradoxical003]

BHUDDISM? NEVER KILLED ANYONE?

BHUDDISMS BEEN RESPONCIBLE FOR TORTURES AND MURDERS AND SLAVERY! I hate to break it to you, but the Dhali llama (cant spell) was an evil dictator responcible for LETHAL public floggings for crimes such as showing "a lack of respect" (COD being loss of blood!) theyd cut off noses ears hands and feet and ALOT of heads, theyd work peasants (even children) to death, living up in luxury (arent they supposed to be aesetics?) while the peasentry were starving to death.

[Kalahridudex]

i see,i knew there was something fishy about a non-killing religion. i heard rumors about that happening in tibet, thought it was just chineese propaganda, apparently not.

[Hjernespreng]

Yeah, but that means they didn't even follow their own religion properly.

I really don't see that as religion killing anybody.

[imrational]

Mortison99799,

You're absolutely correct. I wanted the video to be a little tongue in cheek, so I took a LOT of creative license.

[tonythepony100]

that was pretty good liked the divinci (spelling) reference at the end.

That made me subscribe.

[interlinkknight]

Good point imrational. Great video

[UnknownRex]

I like iamrational's videos, he manages to say things I think :P, tha tis, he has a LOT of good point :)

[limpdogg]

Easy 5 star.

[Vindaven]

it's silly enough to have a belief in god... but dean... to think that vaccinations are poison..... you jump to ignorant conclusions. Vaccines are a weakened version of a bug (yes, bad)... so that your body can prepare itself with anti-bodies designed to combat it's full version (very very good).

[shengoikee]

hahaha very tongue in cheek

sidenote: i sat through a lecture on darwin's findings at the church he once worshipped in in shrewsbury earlier this week. i'm sure he'd appreciate this video.

[dethtongue]

How does science=Darwinism? Evolution exists but I don't know why everyone makes it into a vs. Jesus affair. There is sooo much more to the concept of evolution than proving people wrong. Like evolving past the point of arguing to simply make true progress.  Most popular science is not that scientific these days. This stuff reminds me of the type of thinking that comes from "fundamentalist" type religions. "Look you are wrong because of this". Antibiotics and defibrillators-interesting choice

[megagrey]

It would be more accurate to say that 'Darwnism' is responsible the new vaccines and antibiotics developed in anticipation of how viruses and bacteria adapt and evolve.

Good video though.

[deanshrink]

You need to take a close look at vaccines my friend, you wouldn't be bigging them up if you knew how destructive they were.

[imrational]

deanshrink,

don't buy into the conspiracy theory crap. The link between vaccines and autism has been thoroughly disproven.

[deanshrink]

Really! Then I guess all those eminent toxicologists and MDs are lying then, wicked men and women, jeopardising their careers just to sell a few books. Wake up! Do your research and stop believing lies...

[imrational]

deanshrink,

I think you might need to do some more research. Do those toxicologists you refer to actually have medical degrees?

On the few that do (I'm only aware of one) I hope you saw the recent article where they are considering bringing one up on charges because he falsified research data to, yes... sell more books.

[deanshrink]

Yes, they all have not only degrees but doctorates and (some MDs) professorial positions in leading medical colleges.

[imrational]

deanshrink,

After investigating a lot of pseudoscience and alternative medicine claims, I have found that people holding degrees or even doctorates does not mean that those people have a true understanding on a topic esp if they're not in the medical field. 

One medical doctor who was spouting the link between autism and vaccines apparently falsified research data to try and make his point (and increase his book sales).

You have to look at the arguments used. They don't hold up to scrutiny.

[deanshrink]

fine, pump yourself and you kids full of toxic chemicals and have a ball, enjoy your artificially expurgated life.

[imrational]

deanshrink,

you're welcome to your views... but by dismissing science, you open yourself up to a ton of unsubstantiated claims.

What about the people who claim that eating anything is unhealthy and that you should take your nourishment from just sunlight? If you want to avoid all toxic chemicals... wouldn't that be the right thing to do? Granted, that stance runs against scientific thought, but that is the kind of thing you run into when you abandon science.

[deanshrink]

I'm sorry, I can't help you. When someone is so indoctrinated with false information it takes a radical shift by a higher power than me to get them to see reality. You are ignoring swathes of independent research because you can't countenance the horrific truth that your government doesn't love you and want to protect you, quite the opposite in fact. My expertise is in psychology, being a practitioner in the private sector, but I can't help you to see if you're unwilling.

[doomvolvo]

I was perfectly open to people helping me but then I realised that they were all working an angle. So what I did was looked at all the given evidence and formed my own opinion. I have no degree and I'm no expert on anything relevant would that make my opinion invalid?

[imrational]

doomvolvo,

No, it doesn't make your opinion invalid... provided that it is an EDUCATED opinion.

There are some VERY valid arguments against them, like the use of live viruses instead of killed ones or the previous problem with mercury as a preservative.

However, there are also many illogical, false, and misleading arguments against vaccinations. The link between autism and vaccines is a false one.

[imrational]

deanshrink,

I am a Libertarian. I don't trust our government much. However, you need to look at the data before subscribing to some of the anti-science arguments out there.

[56Rubix56]

Just out of curiosity, what research supports your arguments?

[superwowie111]

your expertise is psychology, well maybe you should take some of your own medicine buddy....

[imrational]

superwowie111,

who were you commenting to?

[superwowie111]

deanshrink

[frenchcowlol]

has anyone here ever considered pastafarianism

RAmen

[aiyic]

You're right pointing out that Darwinism isn't a religion, in fact, it isn't even an ism. But would still be better religion than what has gone before.

I think creationist use the term Darwinism more, because it is an orienting force that they purport to be the opposite of their religious belief. But Darwinism is just one of many studies interlinked, without having a central purpose, or agenda, thus making it harder to refute as a moral code, or belief system. And merely is, absence of faith.

[shlarg]

Is that Stephane Grappelli and Django Reinhart playing How High the Moon as your soundtrack? Had to listen to your video twice 'cause I couldn't get passed the music :)

[imrational]

shlarg,

I am a massive Django Reinhart fan. You might like djangonovo's channel here on YT... I recommend you check him out!

[shlarg]

I'll sure do that. About once a month I do a search on YouTube, "Big Band Jazz" by date added. I love jazz but I'm certainly not limited to that category. Still practicing my ii, V7, I's :)

[FA113]

why not try a real-life version of The Mechanicum from wh40k? that's a religion (ok, machine cult) based on science :P

[EsbenDRK]

Rated 5 stars.

If Darwinism was a religion, we'd at last be able to demand it taught exclusively in school, instead of teaching it alongside with religious lies.

[tecnoblix]

Jesus walked on water, we walked on the moon LOL. That rocks!

[kool5551]

Let's make one then!! I'M IN too! WHO ELSE???

[Katalyzt]

★★★★★

[t4705mb6]

Many excellent points. If I had to join an organization to become a Darwinist I wouldn't do it. The organized religions are just too creepy and have left me feeling rather cool about "joining" anything.

There is enough hard evidence to more than suggest that we didn't go to the moon,. That said, we HAVE walked in space, a tad bit of a higher plain than water.

[freebaker]

fed trillions? well, you didn't say trillions of humans, so i guess if you're counting all lower life forms that feed on humans' crops then yeah.

[imrational]

freebaker,

I was thinking over time. There's about 6 billion people in the world... and how many have been fed in the past?

If I overstated, I apologize.

[RDissonant]

about 600 billion people in all... not Trillions, but I'm not counting anything that is not modern man. :-p

[imrational]

RDissonant,

okay.. thanks. I'll try that caption thing and see if I can adjust that :)

[askegg]

Even if you only count humans, it's still around 6 billion eating between once and three times a day for their entire lives.  That really adds up.

[invisblchzbrgr]

Also if Darwinism or atheism WERE a religion, mebbe we could all get bigger tax breaks, and no one would be able to question our system of nonbelief - it would be taboo! Awesome! lol

[ILYIAB]

I'm in!

[KingHeathen]

Spectacular video and phenomenal points....

I was preparing a comment about the fact that you mentioned astronomy with "Darwinism"...but your conclusion made it all work...

25 stars (I'll have to come back four more times to get you the other 20.)

[Chirox82]

"Yes! (Although I don't understand the connection between evolution (biological evolution anyway) and astronomy) "

He mentions that just at the very end - Evolution is Science, therefore everything in science would be part of the Darwinist religion :)

[Rorty00]

Yes! (Although I don't understand the connection between evolution (biological evolution anyway) and astronomy)

[kamicide]

The world would be full of win if Darwinism was a religion.

I would join that.

I would so join that.

[AskCarrieLee]

Well, I'm in... But, you're not going to make me eat some sort of dreaded, nasty tasting wafer and call it "the body of Darwin" now are you ;)

[Doublebug1]

Bwahahahaha........ Good one... but you are going to Hell for rejecting the Cross still.... Hahhahaha

Just trying to sound like the fundies attacking me lately.

[56Rubix56]

This isn't really Darwinism as a religion, it's more like science as religion. But the point still stands that science has saved exponentially more lives than any religion.

[FFRQ]

Do I hear some Django Reinhardt or am I mistaken?

[imrational]

FFRQ, yup. I am a MASSIVE Django fan. His son actually is a musician on YouTube and he's really good.

[FFRQ]

From one Django fan to another, you absolutely have to tell me about this guy.

I'm sure you've hit up Hot Club of Detroit. Great group.

Message me if you still want to talk about it, don't wanna derail the comments.

[CousinoMacul]

Darwin FTW!

[Phsymorph]

Lets make a religion for quantum mechanics, or how about gravity, or better yet rocket science.

There are many scientific religions, don't forget all the nano technologists, water purificationists, science fictionists and evolutionists.

Evolutionist, how stupid is that word. I'm no evolutionist, I'm a big banger!

[GavinJ06]

Dude, you're a day late with this video!

[imrational]

GavinJ06,

Ugh... don't get me started. I've been trying to upload this video for the past couple of days. Frustrating.

I've got another video uploading now.. a rant more than anything else.

[no1saphead]

I bet if it wasnt man evolved from from monkey. Everything would be just fine with creatonists.They just cant get over that...little hump...

[56Rubix56]

Creationists are uncomfortable thinking that humans came from animals that throw their feces at each other. They feel really special thinking that they are PERFECTLY made in the image of a PERFECT god. The existence of vestigial structures already proves that we did not come from a "perfect" entity.

[Atriviality]

In regular religion, only the extremely rare blessed individuals can perform miracles.

In the religion of science, anyone can learn to do miracles.

[ZizzyB23]

What a great video. I don't have any other comment than to say that.

You da man.

[NonStampCollector]

Hold on, I'm a rampant anti-theist, but

what does Darwin have to do with telescopes, defribulators, surgical techniques, moon missions?

Evolution IS science, but science is NOT evolution.

[imrational]

NonStampCollector,

I would think that anyone who would join a religion based on evolutionary theory would also include other areas of science.

[juggep80]

I noticed the same thing. Make more cartoons they rule.

[proatheism]

Lolz

[Ashybasha]

If science was a religion, I would be a devout fanatic.

[PikminDS]

Who wouldn't have zeal about SCIENCE!!!

[FA113]

SCIENCE!!