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Guess what I did for 3 months as a goblin shaman till I dropped this bloody awful game: "and I heal, and I heal, and I heal". lol failhammer. Barnett is such a tool for talking about conceptual ideas they didnt even put in the game yet (most of the stuff he talks about never made it in)
people ... its WAR (1) HAMMER(2), not HEALING, WAND , and i dont think that WAR should be another MMO where healers DOMINATE by siting in the back and spamming 2 buttons.
Try playing the game as an Order healer. The speed with which Witch Elves kill you (every time) is incredible.
Certainly, Healers shouldn't be able to overcome everything, but when an Archmage will always die to a Witch Elf inside 5 seconds, with no variation on said result, is just pathetic. The other Order healers generally fare little better.
I mean, sure, healers should die to a concerted attack. But when the WE doesn't even have to try, something is definately wrong with the balance.
Paul Barnett is retarded. Without healers people last not more then a few seconds in this game. If he thinks the hybrid healers can seriously keep their party/warband up and still do damage hes the dumbest person in the world. I personally play a Zealot and no offense Paul but just sitting at the back doesn't happen in this game. Quit nerfing healers its ridiculous.
Certainly, I agree that healers need to stop being nerfed (particularly the Archmage, not that it wasn't broken to begin with).
But Paul is not a programmer. He is, essentially, a salesman. It's his job to hype the game, and at the time, the intention was to have these classes as he advertised. With that said, they obviously lost their way a bit, but you can't blame Paul for that.
Blame Mark Jacobs if you must, but Paul doesn't deserve the flaming for what he was told to say.
I'm a Disciple of Khaine, the destructions "melee" healer, and all I do is sit in the back healing. If I try to go to the front I'm dead in 4-5 seconds without being able to move the entire time, whoopee.
That's because the conversation on the order side is "Disciple! GET IT! Get their healer!!"
And he's pointing out one of the things I adore about this game. After playing games like RO where I was lost without people because I was a healer and couldn't kill anything...
If you like to play healers just don't buy this game. Healers on this game are only good for getting blamed, they can't really heal anything. Its a RDPS vs RDPS game, much like an FPS game.
to clear it up, when he says he doesn't want classes sitting in the back going heal heal heal heal heal... he means that they CAN do damage. you can still sit in the back healing but the point is that you don't HAVE to.
i like how he says it wasnt meant for like heal heal heal, but too bad shaman is basically useless unless you heal all the time the gork tree does shit dps.
True, perhaps. But those same classes have the capacity to DO damage. Certainly they're not on par with a DPS class, but the healers in this game are generally quite hard to kill (and often win 1 v 1).
To my knowledge, no, there are no classes with the crossbow as their signature weapon. However, in the TT rules, Dwarfs and Dark Elves have access to them, so I wouldn't be surprised if the NPCs of those races had them.
In point of fact, there are healer classes. However, they are encouraged to do other things beyond healing in order to make the experiance more round and fair (especially for the single-player types).
To my knowledge, the game is coming out Q3 2008 (some time between July and September). That's the best I can do right now.
Well you're obviously (no offense) not paying very close attention to the developers. Mark Jacobs and several others devs post at Warhammer Alliance, and we get a lot of the inside scoops. Mark explicitly stated "fall" which he also explicitly stated "fall is between 9/21 and 12/21". Furthermore, retailers are showing early October / late September release date, including the EA store themselves. We also know that the release cannot be August by Mark as well. I could go on and on. Trust me :P
Oh, and I meant that at your "Q3 July-September" statement. And the devs have not said anything about a specific release date except "fall", and "not August" so that's all I'm saying :)
I only really play Healers and Medic's in games unless it's CS or Halo or something.
I play these classes because I'm addicted to teamwork. Why would you kill the reason I play these games lol.
To anyone in any game who plays a healer, respect to you. You are doing to for a better whole, and no It's not boring because if you are a good healer, you have alot going on and in the end if it wasen't for you, your team would be nowhere.
Paul isn't saying that there will be no healing. In fact, I'm planning on playing the Archmage, a healing class.
That said, however, healing won't actually be as necessary in this game IIRC. There will be no one-shot kills, no three-shot kills. So, what does a healer do when he's not healing? Twiddle his thumbs at the back?
In fact, they've actually built in better heals if you do damage. The shaman has WAAAGH!, the Warrior Priest has Righteous Fury, etc. You just won't healbot. Thats all.
How it works, is that there are healing classes in the game, but on their own, their heals are very weak. But by attacking enemies, and building up their morale, they can use it to bolster the effectiveness of their spells.
So it's not that there are no healers, it's just that they can't stay in the background and spam spells, because the gameplay mechanics force you to get in to the fray and actually fight in order to make your heals viable, that's what he means. No more healbotting.
LMAO. Spot on healing analysis. Though healing can be fun with the right mods etc, it more depends on the class. Druid and Priest healing is good times - Pally healing sucks donkey balls. Getting praise is nice, but if you're playing the healing role for it, respec for life.
Healing is not as fun, you heal others so that "they" have more fun..the main thing that you enjoy as a healer is the attention you get, everyone sort of sucks up to you so you come heal them. So id say people who enjoy healing so much are the attention seeking kind of people. People who want to be "loved" and "cherished" by peers.
You are depended upon by your entire group to keep ... your entire group alive. When shit hits the fan and you're dishing out insane heals, it's insanely fun.
The game mechanics actually work so that you don't actually need to be healing all that much. This is because the game is designed around PvP/RvR gameplay, so that it isn't too hard for players to go out and have some fun on their own in PvP and PvE.
Of course, that isn't to say that you're not expected to heal, but rather that healers will have plenty of free time, so they might as well spend it nuking, attacking, buffing and debuffing. For some classes, its a core part of their mechanic.
Those moments come once in a while but most of the time you are behind and dont even get to see the NPC's the group is fighting. A DPS person has more fun moments because those moments do not depend on specific situations, its all the time when you have those big crits and good combos
DPS all you do is stand there, hit the same 3 or 4 buttons and try not to aggro and when the shit hits the fan, they usually just run around and DPS the wrong mobs.
He says "Those who just want to play medic... we're not the game for you"; that means you WON'T heal 100% of your time. For the Warrior Priest, Disciple of Khaine, Archmage and Shaman, the best healing REQUIRES the deployment of DPS abilities (both melee and ranged). As for the Runepriest and the Chaos disciple, their focus is more on buffing and debuffing rather than damage dealing.
And different things are fun to different people, I'll have you know
Their game mechanics are built on building up points in combat before spending them on a big spell or attack etc, so if you're a healer at the back not doing anything you'll not be able to build up any points to use your cool healy spells.
they wont be pure heal bots - there will be healing warriors and healing mages and possibly healing ranged classes. but no pure healers (such as a priest)
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automouse2dotcom 8 months ago
Guess what I did for 3 months as a goblin shaman till I dropped this bloody awful game: "and I heal, and I heal, and I heal". lol failhammer. Barnett is such a tool for talking about conceptual ideas they didnt even put in the game yet (most of the stuff he talks about never made it in)
Grimfandango13 10 months ago
Wait what race is an hammerer?
Klemardplusturtles 2 years ago
Dwarfs, but they were replaced by the Slayer.
BoyofmanyNames 2 years ago
I absolutely love the section about the hammerer. "Should he be able to use axes?" then he points at his name "but he's a Hammerer, have a Guess"
Kragoff 2 years ago
people ... its WAR (1) HAMMER(2), not HEALING, WAND , and i dont think that WAR should be another MMO where healers DOMINATE by siting in the back and spamming 2 buttons.
Heretus 3 years ago
Try playing the game as an Order healer. The speed with which Witch Elves kill you (every time) is incredible.
Certainly, Healers shouldn't be able to overcome everything, but when an Archmage will always die to a Witch Elf inside 5 seconds, with no variation on said result, is just pathetic. The other Order healers generally fare little better.
I mean, sure, healers should die to a concerted attack. But when the WE doesn't even have to try, something is definately wrong with the balance.
lawwellsy 3 years ago
Paul Barnett is retarded. Without healers people last not more then a few seconds in this game. If he thinks the hybrid healers can seriously keep their party/warband up and still do damage hes the dumbest person in the world. I personally play a Zealot and no offense Paul but just sitting at the back doesn't happen in this game. Quit nerfing healers its ridiculous.
mcqxx 3 years ago
Certainly, I agree that healers need to stop being nerfed (particularly the Archmage, not that it wasn't broken to begin with).
But Paul is not a programmer. He is, essentially, a salesman. It's his job to hype the game, and at the time, the intention was to have these classes as he advertised. With that said, they obviously lost their way a bit, but you can't blame Paul for that.
Blame Mark Jacobs if you must, but Paul doesn't deserve the flaming for what he was told to say.
lawwellsy 3 years ago
paul is the funniest
eXpl0di0 3 years ago
I'm a Disciple of Khaine, the destructions "melee" healer, and all I do is sit in the back healing. If I try to go to the front I'm dead in 4-5 seconds without being able to move the entire time, whoopee.
kerby200099 3 years ago
That's because the conversation on the order side is "Disciple! GET IT! Get their healer!!"
And he's pointing out one of the things I adore about this game. After playing games like RO where I was lost without people because I was a healer and couldn't kill anything...
AmaranteStryfe 3 years ago
Yeah thats ture, I am at least able to kill things, unless its another healer. But yeah Ifeel th eOrder don't take kindly to us Disciples lol.
kerby200099 3 years ago
Oh we don't. We definitely don't. ^-^
AmaranteStryfe 3 years ago
If you like to play healers just don't buy this game. Healers on this game are only good for getting blamed, they can't really heal anything. Its a RDPS vs RDPS game, much like an FPS game.
kozas0 3 years ago
Which they only plan to make worse. I agree don't bother with this game if you expect to do more then die and run back just to die again
Not2OldNot2Wise 3 years ago
that fat dude makes me puke
nice anti promotion btw
Schwoorf 3 years ago
to clear it up, when he says he doesn't want classes sitting in the back going heal heal heal heal heal... he means that they CAN do damage. you can still sit in the back healing but the point is that you don't HAVE to.
maelstrom272 3 years ago
No he means exactly what he says. They don't like healers.
kozas0 3 years ago
hmm.. bullshit... im only healing in the back cuz my damage sucks fucking shit...
Sekiryuken 3 years ago
Funny, I have played EQ2, AOC, WOW and WAR. This is the game with the weakest healer DPS.
delgado814 3 years ago
Why does my Rune Priest sit at the back going ...heal heal heal heal....his dps is lousy so that is the only use for him. So Paul lied about this.
PlayerVersusPlayer 3 years ago
i like how he says it wasnt meant for like heal heal heal, but too bad shaman is basically useless unless you heal all the time the gork tree does shit dps.
Beecels 3 years ago
WHat happened to the squig herder then? Load of bollocks.
tarkonis 3 years ago
pauls my favorite
eXpl0di0 3 years ago
this guy is awesome LOL I love warhammer online and one of the reasons is him!.
WoW RIP for me.
modositoMC 3 years ago 3
...and yet they somehow have these classes that just heal while sitting at the back. Lies, all lies.
PissLips316 3 years ago
True, perhaps. But those same classes have the capacity to DO damage. Certainly they're not on par with a DPS class, but the healers in this game are generally quite hard to kill (and often win 1 v 1).
lawwellsy 3 years ago
go away, stop watching, click away, don't even leave a comment on the board going:'I hate this game, because it has no healers!'
They cover themselves in gasoline, smoke, carry sparklers and are wrapped in hand grenades
Paul Barnett is fucking brilliant. He's the reason i want this game. Totally awesome
samuraiofhonor 3 years ago
crossbows? HAMMERS!! daggers? HAMMERS!!
MadsHald 3 years ago
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i hate this game, cause it has no healers
nui40k 3 years ago
You must be retarded
Ollebert 3 years ago
hahahahhaha what an idiot
z0neseek 3 years ago
LOL whoah... now thats stupid
Otacon2791 3 years ago
No healers? there's one designated healer for EACH race. Even AFTER the class changes.
Cevrik 3 years ago
hehe... I see what you did there.
Cevrik 3 years ago
love that guy! :D
IbizaltA 3 years ago
Paul is the man lol
Sephiroth1121 3 years ago 2
... so .... is there a career that uses ... crossbows ?
motus09 3 years ago
To my knowledge, no, there are no classes with the crossbow as their signature weapon. However, in the TT rules, Dwarfs and Dark Elves have access to them, so I wouldn't be surprised if the NPCs of those races had them.
lawwellsy 3 years ago
lol i play disc/holy priest in wow i love healing :D this is good I can heal and beat the liviing crap out of people.
shockyoursenses 3 years ago
beating the living snot out of them XD
gubbe216 3 years ago
Barnett does a great job on these videos.
I don't like that there are no dedicated healer classes, and the classes seem like they will be very narrow in scope.
When is the game coming out?
ORCA4312 3 years ago
In point of fact, there are healer classes. However, they are encouraged to do other things beyond healing in order to make the experiance more round and fair (especially for the single-player types).
To my knowledge, the game is coming out Q3 2008 (some time between July and September). That's the best I can do right now.
lawwellsy 3 years ago
"Fall" actually. September 21st - December 21st. Probably early October because that's what the retailers are saying right now.
MidoriPeanut 3 years ago
Actually, I'm going off what the devs are saying, and I think that they're in a better position to know than any retailer.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they do delay it to Q4 (and early Q4 at that; they'd want any launch bugs out by Christmas).
All that's left is to wait and see.
lawwellsy 3 years ago
Well you're obviously (no offense) not paying very close attention to the developers. Mark Jacobs and several others devs post at Warhammer Alliance, and we get a lot of the inside scoops. Mark explicitly stated "fall" which he also explicitly stated "fall is between 9/21 and 12/21". Furthermore, retailers are showing early October / late September release date, including the EA store themselves. We also know that the release cannot be August by Mark as well. I could go on and on. Trust me :P
MidoriPeanut 3 years ago
Oh, and I meant that at your "Q3 July-September" statement. And the devs have not said anything about a specific release date except "fall", and "not August" so that's all I'm saying :)
MidoriPeanut 3 years ago
I see (I'm on WHA myself, though I generally only frequent the High Elf forums).
So, there you are then. Northern autumn (WTF is fall?! ;)) it is...
lawwellsy 3 years ago
I hate this game because it has no healers :(
skythe1908 3 years ago
I only really play Healers and Medic's in games unless it's CS or Halo or something.
I play these classes because I'm addicted to teamwork. Why would you kill the reason I play these games lol.
To anyone in any game who plays a healer, respect to you. You are doing to for a better whole, and no It's not boring because if you are a good healer, you have alot going on and in the end if it wasen't for you, your team would be nowhere.
Respect.
Loderunner5 3 years ago
Paul isn't saying that there will be no healing. In fact, I'm planning on playing the Archmage, a healing class.
That said, however, healing won't actually be as necessary in this game IIRC. There will be no one-shot kills, no three-shot kills. So, what does a healer do when he's not healing? Twiddle his thumbs at the back?
In fact, they've actually built in better heals if you do damage. The shaman has WAAAGH!, the Warrior Priest has Righteous Fury, etc. You just won't healbot. Thats all.
lawwellsy 3 years ago
How it works, is that there are healing classes in the game, but on their own, their heals are very weak. But by attacking enemies, and building up their morale, they can use it to bolster the effectiveness of their spells.
So it's not that there are no healers, it's just that they can't stay in the background and spam spells, because the gameplay mechanics force you to get in to the fray and actually fight in order to make your heals viable, that's what he means. No more healbotting.
VanorOrion 3 years ago
I HATE THIS GAME BECAUSE IT HAS NO HEALER!
oj lol its going to be awesome!
r1ch92 3 years ago
LMAO. Spot on healing analysis. Though healing can be fun with the right mods etc, it more depends on the class. Druid and Priest healing is good times - Pally healing sucks donkey balls. Getting praise is nice, but if you're playing the healing role for it, respec for life.
subbeast 3 years ago
Yeah, at some point you have to question the wisdom of REQUIRING you to bring a party member whose role is enjoyed by very few players.
Echelon030 3 years ago
Healing is not as fun, you heal others so that "they" have more fun..the main thing that you enjoy as a healer is the attention you get, everyone sort of sucks up to you so you come heal them. So id say people who enjoy healing so much are the attention seeking kind of people. People who want to be "loved" and "cherished" by peers.
Makushe 3 years ago
I don't know why he implies healers aren't important.. I play WoW as a healer and especially in PvP people cherish you
Genobeanor 3 years ago
Hell Yeah! I play wow (healadin) and yes it is boring to heal.
b0unti 3 years ago
Healing is boring?
Are you an idiot?
You are depended upon by your entire group to keep ... your entire group alive. When shit hits the fan and you're dishing out insane heals, it's insanely fun.
This guy is a morong.
Healing is where the true heros are.
Satile 3 years ago
yea healing is boring
caducues44 3 years ago
moron* :-[
Satile 3 years ago
The game mechanics actually work so that you don't actually need to be healing all that much. This is because the game is designed around PvP/RvR gameplay, so that it isn't too hard for players to go out and have some fun on their own in PvP and PvE.
Of course, that isn't to say that you're not expected to heal, but rather that healers will have plenty of free time, so they might as well spend it nuking, attacking, buffing and debuffing. For some classes, its a core part of their mechanic.
lawwellsy 3 years ago
sounds like a shockadin
sourcemaster 3 years ago
Those moments come once in a while but most of the time you are behind and dont even get to see the NPC's the group is fighting. A DPS person has more fun moments because those moments do not depend on specific situations, its all the time when you have those big crits and good combos
Makushe 3 years ago
DPS all you do is stand there, hit the same 3 or 4 buttons and try not to aggro and when the shit hits the fan, they usually just run around and DPS the wrong mobs.
As for your other comment...
What?!
Satile 3 years ago
What rubbish Makushe. Both your posts.
He says "Those who just want to play medic... we're not the game for you"; that means you WON'T heal 100% of your time. For the Warrior Priest, Disciple of Khaine, Archmage and Shaman, the best healing REQUIRES the deployment of DPS abilities (both melee and ranged). As for the Runepriest and the Chaos disciple, their focus is more on buffing and debuffing rather than damage dealing.
And different things are fun to different people, I'll have you know
lawwellsy 3 years ago
Healing get's boring but a character that only uses a hammer wont? This guy is an obnoxious idiot.
hitbycars 3 years ago
Their game mechanics are built on building up points in combat before spending them on a big spell or attack etc, so if you're a healer at the back not doing anything you'll not be able to build up any points to use your cool healy spells.
Irishfreedom 3 years ago 3
Too good to be true... how are they gonna balance all dis?
MiyMiyMiyMiyMiyMiyMi 3 years ago
they wont be pure heal bots - there will be healing warriors and healing mages and possibly healing ranged classes. but no pure healers (such as a priest)
Paladinsucks 4 years ago
AND I HEAL AND I HEAL AND I HEAL! :D
Naraku111 4 years ago 3
i really love how the class system works, i hope they pull it through
killerbee2k 4 years ago
Still waiting for it...need to play now
Olawz 4 years ago 2
What about two handed swords? HMM???
Marlowann 4 years ago 2
I HATE THIS GAME CAUSE THERES NO HEALERS!
sorry lol
mrkonor 4 years ago 4
Never reply to your self for any reason!
mrkonor 4 years ago 3
rofl my bad i didnt watch whole vedioe before i replyed to you LOL hahaha good joke btw :D
Naraku111 4 years ago
your a crack head they got bunch of healers lol and there making more
Naraku111 4 years ago
But healing isn't all they do. Essentially there are no healbots.
Certainly, a Warrior Priest can heal. But he can heal better if he's smashing the enemy with his hammer.
That's what Paul is trying to say.
lawwellsy 4 years ago
TRUTH!
SLiDEnl 4 years ago 2
A) I LOVE PAUL !!!! B)HE HAMMERs THINGS !!!
Foamyswe 4 years ago 2
lol, love this guy xD
Androwynpwns 4 years ago 2
What about throwing hammers?
RaptorUniter 4 years ago 3
I MUST PLAY...NOW
keelaer 4 years ago
Cant wait till the Game is out! Paul Bernett is teh God :D
Vandemir 4 years ago
PAAAAAUL BAAAAAAARNEEEETT!!!!!
Tezzenz 4 years ago
What about throwing hammers?
Mystic1011 4 years ago
Oh I'm sure that they'll be in there somewhere
lawwellsy 4 years ago
This is where the remaining healers playing wow will be going :)
mikemcclelland 4 years ago
fo sho
rhopere 4 years ago 2
lol best dev interview ever!
monnie110 4 years ago
the was bloody awesome mate, good on ya
24blizzard24 4 years ago
Awesome!!!
gormwolf 5 years ago
hurry up and finish it im dying to play already XD
sumner1456 5 years ago
this video is so damn funny
7thDomino 5 years ago