/2LloydMadoff WORD bro also this Persian Iranian wouldnt be able to even get close to alexander ... Alexander would sever hes head off the time he even moves or put a spear thru hes gut
But the Persians also tormented Greece in the 5th Century and burned Athens,in fact, Xerxes took Greek art/statues back to Persia and Alexander send them back to Athens.
The "Spartan" Persians! Trully Westerns very soon forget that Eastern Peoples can also figh to the death! Honor to both Western(Greeks) and Eastern(Persians and allies) warriors!
LOLL at the bloke who would like ta cut alexander up for one the time he tried ta even slash him hes head would be dicapitated form hes shoulders ... dats how talented alexander was(:
"the legend told by greek historians was so famous that is has become fact".
Couldn't have said it better myself. Just take hollywood for example: Glorifying the Greeks while insulting the persians, showing only Greek victories and heroics, only greek accomplishments, greek contribution to human civilization, greek mythology. They have repeated it so much, that these legends, myths, fictional stories and lies have suddenly become the truth.
History is written by the victor. Damn the victor.
How sad that this man hated Alexander for what he did to Iran. Persia before Islam was a 1st world country. Islam ruined the people and the nation. Most of all, it ruined their ability to see the true culprit. Long live Zoroaster! Please don't forget your history.
stupid greeks aleksander kill all greeks , but h glory hahahahhaha mother fucker . macedonia for the macedonians forever and united macedonia , vardar , pirin aegean will be one united macedonia that is new name for nato mother fucker
THE MAN SINGING in the beggening of the video is kurdish not fars, and this brings me to my point that greek sholars couldnt say fars, or the language spoken by iranians, so they said pars, and in greek if you add IA, is means land so iran became known as PERSIA, OR PARSIA, to persians iran has always been called iran, land of the aryans-not persia
@diznab900 AHAHAHAHAH youre so wrong.... ARABS CANT SAY P.... think about it... FARS is an arabic word for PARS speaking people. Persians called themselves PARSA, and greeks correctly accounted them as PERSIAN, PERSIAN GULF, PERSEUS, etc. ARABS are tongue tied retards who cant pronounce the letter "P" .... hence why they call PEPSI, BEBSI, or PARS, FARS....
@PersiaWithoutISLAM Disregarding your other uneducated comments, your rogue attack on a language such as Arabic shows your ignorance. For Arabs, letter P is lighter than the letter B. Some Arabs pronounce that way because English words that contain a P are translated replacing the P with the Arabic letter for B.
That, however, does not in any way undermine the strength and richness of the Arabic language. Arabs themselves do not speak formal Arabic, so your reference is probably slang-Arabic.
@Thisisthefuture100 AHAHAHAHAH. sorry buddy, but almost the whole world except muslims and arabs will admit arabic is a hideous sounding language that tried to bastardize other tongues the same way. Strength and richness? the only fields arabs have strength and richness in is, child molestation, camel piss drinking, trying to keep the world in the year 700 ad, i can go on forever... also all their knowledge was stolen anyway, GO TO MY CHANNEL AND WATCH YOU IGNORANT BRAINWASHED FOOOOOOL!
@PersiaWithoutISLAM You can launch into a diatribe, but your insults will not change history. The historic influence of the Arabic language was very important. For example, chew on some facts:
1. Arabic has the largest vocabulary and word-root system
2. Arabic Grammar is considered an excellent model (some even use the term "perfect")
2. You just used Arabic numerals (1,2,3,4...)
3. More than 26 world languages in-use derive from the Arabic language
@Thisisthefuture100 i dont see anyone saying arabic grammer is 'perfect', it might be good...but noone wud use the term perfect to describe something like a language grammer.
AND more importantly, you should know the number system we all use are NOT arabic numerals....these were INVENTED by INDIANS, and brought to the west by arabs, who facilitated trade between india and europe...thus they were called ino-arabic, but were invented by indians. google it.
@FezAvesta Uhm no. ZOROASTRIANS believe in Good thoughts, good words and good deeds. It is not a Persian belief. When most Persians converted to Islam, they lost that belief. Don't try to bring it back now.
Related to the comment to FezAvesta, you are very stupid. There are Zoroastrian people living today all over the world. It was the religion of ancient Persians. Today, there are many people whom want to practice this religion in countries such as Iran but are oppressed by Islamists. Get your facts straight or don't talk shit because you make a fool of yourself.
@shockolanu How am I stupid? It is not a Persian belief ; it is a Zoroastrian belief. That is one of the principal doctrines of the religion . If they want to practice the religion, but are unable to, then they can still practice the religion and all the doctrines. But Good thoughts, words and deeds are a zoroastrian belief, not a Persian one. I don't guide myself by movies, maybe you should learn to start reading ?
I don't know how come you are so stupid. You should ask your parents, maybe they were 1st degree relatives.
The religion of Ancient Persians was Zoroastrian. Darius was one too. Yes, they can still do it in private, they can't do it in the open. Zoroastrian was the religion of Persians from Cyrus until the breaking of the Persian Empire by Alexandros, look it up, don't take my word for it.
I learned how to read and write at the same time I learned English - 7-8 years.
Darius, king of the Persian Empire was Zoroastrian. I don't need to provide you with any sources, it is basic historical knowledge. Further more, you can do some research about the Parsi people. They practice Zoroastrianism today. Don't ask me where I know it from, I just know it for a long time (since I was in school). If you are not taught proper ancient history in school it is not my problem or my concern. I suggest you start using encyclopedias, it might help you gather more knowledge.
How can I be jealous? First of all, you are a moron who never heard of an encyclopedia or of google search engine.
Second, you are moron, you argue over absolutely nothing. There are Parsi people in Iran today but they are oppressed from practicing their religion openly. The Zoroastrianism is the religion of ancient Assyrians and later, ancient Persians. This is common knowledge yet, you don't know it even if you are Parsi.
Third and most important, I'm Greek-Macedonian, I could never be jealous
@shockolanu They are not oppressed from practicing their religion openly, Muslims are oppressed from converting to Zoroastrianism. These people are not called Parsi, but just Zoroastrians. Secondly, very little is known about Early Zoroastrianism, there is no consensus about the origin of the religion, although many believe that it spread from the believed birth place of Zoroaster, Bactria. This is not common knowledge.
Sure they are, I have friends from Iran who say this. They are Zoroastrians and they are forbidden to practice their religion in the open. You should talk more often to Parsi people such as yourself.
Yeah, Bactria, Alexander used to shag a chick from Bactria her name was Barsine. They even had a child, his name was Herakles. Alexander fell in love with her from a very young age (10-11) when he conquered Persia, he met her again and they married. For me it is common knowledge.
@shockolanu Really? I didn't know that. I have a friend that lives in Iran, who visits the fire temple frequently and lives a normal life. Now, we 'Parsis' live in India, not Iran. Don't classify us as Iranians or even Iranis.
You lived 29 years and you don't know why Alexander became a God among men?
Who the fuck are you to speak about a God?
Go read some books before you start criticizing, you moron!
And yes, Alexander raised cities to the ground, he killed and took into slavery all those whom opposed him and he treated as equal all those whom surrendered without a fight.
The Persians were lucky to have their lives and to be allowed to keep their culture. If I were Alexander, I would have left none alive!
"I would have left none alive" good on you .. I am sure you would fit right in with the Nazi's ... and ALLOWED to keep their culture ahahhaa The Persian culture is older than the Greek history and it would take a real conqueror to stick around to weed out our culture lol .. PS alexander was Macedonian not Greek
Persian is younger than Assyrian and the Median EmpiresThe Persians were allowed to keep their culture and gods. Persian Empire (560-330BC). Hellenic culture 2500BC-2009AD
If you are speaking about Old Assyrian and the Median Empires which are to be differentiated of the Persians, yes, those emerged around the same time as the Hellenic civilization 20th cent BC.
Further more, Alexander was Macedonian. Hellenic, just like the:Thessalonians, Epirotes, Cretans, Peloponesians, Spartans, Athenians...
The Medians were slaves to the Persians. Before the battle of Gaugamela, Alexander held a speech. I listened it yesterday. The account was recorded by Ptolemy and related by the historian called Arrian. Alexander clearly mentions the Median and Assirian people in the Persian army and he says that they are there as slaves to the Persians. It might not be true but the Persian Empire is not the same as the Assyrian or Median Empire. I get my facts from history.
PS Elam were Iranic people as well and they date back 3000 bc .. To honest I see what your trying to do and that is to belittle the persians and to make evil of what they have achieved .. I emit greek achievements for they are great as the persians but you have your own agenda
Also, I would add the fact that Persians destroyed many Egyptian temples and buildings, killing priests, etc. The Egyptians were happy to see Alexander kicking Persian butt and the Egyptians also were left alone to keep their wonderful culture. Alexander built the city of Alexandria and the Library. He took there all the knowledge of the world.
When Hellenes were fighting your ancestors, you were an Empire.
Now, you have another enemy and I might name it a common enemy of all free men!
ALSO everything who stated comes from Greek historian Herodotus LOL and we know how the facts are clearly false and bias greek propaganda. Cambyses II invaded Egypt and I quote (The Egyptian evidence that we do have depicts a ruler anxious to avoid offending Egyptian susceptibilities who at least presented himself as an Egyptian king in all respects. It is even possible that the pillaging of Egyptian towns told to us by Greek sources never occurred at all"
If you truly want to debate me try to get sources that arent chest pieces of propanganda . The Greeks like modern U.S were famous for it . I wonder why I cant find any propanganda from the Persians or Egyptians . The tales you speak of come from the victor . Persian customs were to free all men from slavery and they are many accounts of this happening and to allow every nation to continue their religion . In fact all men and women were paided for any services .
Why would you call it propaganda? Is it not true that Alexander defeated the entire Persian Empire? You might call it propaganda but we well know from history that Egypt, after the first Persian conquest and rule had certain time frames of independence. Each of these independence periods ended in Persian conquest. This doesn't sound like a free nation to me. Also, I have watched a doc just recently about Egypt. It stated exactly what I said. The Egyptians were suppressed by Persians.
Unlike some greeks like the Spartans helots. Many made of slaves and and I quote (They were ritually mistreated, humiliated and even slaughtered) .. Yes your Alexander created Alexandria named after him . It truly was a beautiful city and no Library was bulit by Ptolemy I Soter . Like I stated earlier Alexander was a great general and if you like he kicked persian butt lol .
Yes, at that time Macedonians were at no terms with the Spartans. The Spartans were upset because the Macedonians did not allow them to conduct the campaign against Persia. Not only that they were upset but refused to participate.
The Library was built by Alexander and he took there all the knowledge of the world (Athens, Babylon, Egypt, Libya, even from parts of Turkey). All the knowledge was free for anyone. The Pharos was built by Ptolemy, not the library.
Plutarch is not to be held as true source. He also states something about Alexander mentioning the Pharos in a letter to Ptolemy. The Pharos was built by Ptolemy after Alexander's death.
The library was conceived by Alexander himself with the help of Ptolemy. The library was concieved and built during Alexander's lifetime and it flourished during Ptolemaic dynasty.
Herodotus never wrote about Alexander or his campaigns, simply because he lived 100 years before Alexander did... I'm not debating any of Herodotus's writings, I'm debating the fact that whether he is or is not the Father of History.
Where did you state what? I'm trying to answer each comment and I'm dizzy already... :)
Also about the Medians... you see... you say they are Iranian ancient people. Now why did you state that Macedonians are not Hellenic? Do you know other REAL Macedonians that are of other descend? Perhaps Slavic origins???
I see... yes, Macedonians should be distinguished from other Hellenic nations, of whom the Greeks too. Not because we don't share the same common roots (Macedon was founded by Caranus, a Greek from Argos, son of Temenus and 4th generation form Heracles). The Macedonians should be distinguished not by their blood or by their customs but by the simple fact that we are at constant competition with all the other Hellenic people. Why? Because competition leads to perfection of the mind and body.
Herodotus actually stated about 6 million during the wars Thermoplae LOL which was tottally BS and well knowed to be farse because the Persian Empire never made a army of that size and 600 000 is also wrong it was 100 to 250 000
You are somewhat right but, you must remember this: Herodotus did not relate 6 millions at the battle of Hot Gates. It must be a mistake or something... I don't recall anything stating that Leonidas fought 6 million troops from Persia.
Never the less, Herodotus wrote about the battle of Plataea where the Greeks fought around 200.000 Persians.
Yes, because before the fleet could anchor, a great storm took place... Many thought that Poseidon came to the aid of the Spartans. Never the less, the quota between the Persian army and the Spartans (along with the aid they got from other Greeks) clearly tilts toward the Persian army. And also, the land army was made up of huge numbers.
yaa am with u there ... 250 000 to maybe 1000 .. The hot gates are only 50 to 60 feet wide so defended the pass was easy. The spartans and allied greeks are well armored and well trained . The Persians were made up soldiers all parts of the empire and not well armored
It depends from what part of the empire they were brought from. Some of the soldiers were better equipped than the Spartans whom fought almost naked, with light armor on their feet and heads and the big round shield. This tradition comes from Heracles, a common ancestor to Corinthians, Spartans and Macedonians. Also after the defeat of Plataea, the Persian Empire started keeping the armies from different places in different formations with captains that spoke their own language.
Spartans were armored with flanged bronze cuirasses, leg greaves, and a helmet, most usually of the Corinthian type. It is often disputed which torso armor the Spartans wore during the Persian Wars
Hmmm... my history teacher said that they did not have any sort of torso protection. And yes, they were not half naked but leaving the torso, upper arms and upper legs unprotected is like going to battle half naked... :)))
Anyway, this aside... I suppose you are a believer in Islam. I just want to ask you about the Mahdi and Dajjal. Do you know about this? Or, better put, are you willing to discuss this?
Oh, I see... I thought you are Muslim. So, should I take it that you do not know about the Dajjal?
I'm not Muslim either but I recently heard about these terms and I was hoping you can tell me more about it.
I was born a Christian Orthodox but, I chose not to put my faith in the Church but in God.
Here in Romania, priests are corrupt to the bone. If you have no money to pay the priest for a funeral, the dead does not receive any and goes to the ground without a ceremony...
No not a clue .. Ya I believe Islam and Christanity are very corrupt and thus I dont believe in them . Together they have shed more blood than any other wars put together . So you live in Romania
Yes, you are 110% right. Most religions are wrong. Not by nature but by the nature of man that twists the religion in his favor to go and conquer other nations in the name of that religion.
Yes, I live in Bucharest Romania. It's a crappy place. :)
By the way, I have a friend that married an Iranian dude. She told me about her husband and he's more than OK. I hope I'll get to talk to him one day. I really respect your history and culture, even if our ancestors were enemies, we should be friends.
You know it was the Muslims who taught us west 3 meals a day routine, algebra, technology horoscopes, how to bath regularly, how to build castles, how to drink tea, enhanced medicine etc. Remember during the crusades when christians killed Muslim men women & children yet the Muslims let the christians ago alive. Without Religion we would not know about God so u can say u belive in God but not religion. Not logic there. More and more ppl are leaving christianity as its not logical.
Okay slow down i'll answer to all what u stated lol .. Islam never created enhanced medicine or anything else . Just cause the people are Mulsim who invented it does not mean the Religion can take credit for it . Islam is influenced by Christanity and Christtanity is Judaism and Judasim is influenced by Zorastrianism .
How can u say Islam and Christianity are corrupt? maybe ppl corrupt them but thats not the Religion's fault. Many wars and conflicts have happend for other reasons then religion. If anything in history Christians have been more voilent and cruel then anybody. Am not a Muslim or anything but i see lot of people Revert to Islam everyday. When it was Muslim control world everybody lived in Peace together unlike christian control where non-christians were persecuted.
Most religions started off to guide mankind to the right path to bring goodness to the world but all have their own agenda . Any religion lead by man is bound by corruption eventually . Many wars have been for greed by the religious factions . I agree Christanity hands are the most bloody . Islam has been known to be more peaceful I agree but there are many other things I dont agree with . The Islamic leaders have made the middle east weak and corrupt .
Some ppl just dont know history. What are the non-muslims doing now to Palestune? Iraw, Afghanistan? Bosnia, Nigeria, Kosovo etc? obviosly the Muslims will fight back. I dont condone any kind of terrorism but look at the cause of it, the root, the source. Non-muslims have oppressed and killed more then anyone. It was the Muslims who brought Peace to Arabia, Africa and Balkans. Also to Malaysia etc. Dnt get me wrong am not a Muslim but i know when to be fair. Ppl revert to Islam everyday.
I'm not going to argue anything you said except the fact that the Ottomans brought Islam to the Balkans by sword, not in the form of a book. I know it because my country fought against them and eventually lost. The Ottomans took a whole royal family of Wallachia to Constantinople and beheaded all of them because they would not convert to Islam (Islam was just a pretext, the Ottomans wanted to have safety in the area before attacking Hungary).
Am devout Christian myself but am also fair and realistic. The Ottomons were hardly practicing Muslims, they didnt invade to spread religion but theur culture and philipshies. I know cuz my Mother is Alabanian and i have been to Tirana. I know history. Look at Turkey/Ottomons now? they arent Muslims in anything. People embraced Islam out of their own Will when Arabs spread. Islam teachws peace. The oppression, rape killings, occupation by non-muslims is cause of terroism extreimisns etc.
I simply disagree its not a perfect as u say .. Muslims as most religion have killed and oppressed Iran is a perfect example ... Yes I do agree with the fact Western governements started this whole problem in the middle east .. In fact they are very evil and they greed has started this whole terrorism plot if in fact it is even real to begin with .. I think 911 is an inside job and they blame it on Islam cause the big oil nations are muslim
Muslims are a minority where killings, oppression etc is concered compared to Christians and Jews and others i.e Romans, Germanics, English, West colonisizm, slavery etc. The Muslims in history have done it self-defense. Maybe not thr right way but they had cause. Before west colonialsim the world was civlized under Muslim Control. Ppl of all faiths lived side by side unlike christian control where non-christians were persecuted. Dont get me wrong am not pro or anti anything, am devout Christian
You cant blame Religion for peoples wrong doing. Just cuz a Muslim does bad its Islam' fault? just cuz a Christian does bad its christianty fault? the zionists in isreal are atheist but the Jews who practice dont want voilence and dont support isrealy oppression. So u see religion cannot be blamed. Islam only has harsh laws so to teach ppl rightenouness, to stop ppl doing bad immoral degrading behaviour. Ottomom used Islam as excusw but were not good Muslims!. Am goong in holiday now . Bye!.
By the way Christianity was voted the most voilent religion and am sad to say this as am Christian myself but look at the crusades, the conflicts between christians, between west, slavery etc. the ku klux klan in america who are extreme christians and teac their kids to kill blacks and non-white blue eyed christians. We Christians have been more cruel then anyone and anything. Bible does not teach killing but does say if u dont belive in Jesus as God then u go hell. Sad but true. Am off now. Bye
I don't even know what your responding to. But fuck off and don't tell me that I'm ignorant about something. exept why you are attacking me because I can't find my comment it's gone.
Your childish response shows you know nothing of what you claim. Asking me to "fuck off" is beyond immature. If you can't remain civil, then do not continue this discussion.
@crashoveryu as they did ANYWHERE they stepped on, except their barren lawless deserts. they brought law and social justice to the desert. thats ABOUT IT. they fucked the rest of the world over.
@Thisisthefuture100 Actually I strongly admire early Muslim and Arab history as well as their medicine and science accomplishments. Europe and Western civilization in general owe a lot to Muslims. My statement was referring to Muslim Turks and their extremely negative influence on Balkans.
@crashoveryu I cannot argue for Muslim Turks because I do not know about them. I thought your statement was a generalization when you said "Muslims".
Unfortunately, Muslim Turks inflicted some damage on the Arab region as well, which was under their rule. For example, they banned the mechanical type-writer after it was invented in Europe, tried to repeal the Arabic language, and governed by brute-force. The whole thing is attributed to a political party that acted almost like the Nazis.
@crashoveryu Well, thats history. Your retarded forefathers conquered Anatolia and gave the retarded Turks problems. The retarded Turks got angry and powned your retarded forefathers and conquered balkan while they where fighting against whole of Europe.
@VictumRoManius Ammm... You see, Turks came to Anatolia in 12th century.. I hope that you can at least calculate the year difference between this migration and the conquest of Alexander the Great.
If u also read history and leanr u will realize Islam never oppressed anyone. People Reverted to Islam out of their Own Will. They embraced Islam. Its only an excuse u make of oppression. The christians oppressed more then anyone and anything and am from a Christian background myself but am also fair and realistic and open mind. Islam teaches under your Mother's feet is paradise, now how can such a teaching oppress ppl? some ppl just cant accept something superior then them and better.
Man, one more thing. When Greeks fought your nation, you were a great empire and we were a small little country. Now, we remained almost the same little country and in time, you became smaller too. Now, another Empire is looming and seems to have as object the enslavement of all free men. Today, we must put aside what happened in Antiquity and look ahead and see the common enemy of all people.
If today you were an Empire threatening my freedom, I would have considered you my enemy. But I don't!
Yes, I'm Greek-Macedonian. My family came from Vergina (Aigai), the first capital of Macedon, founded by Caranus, the first king of Macedon. Strange but, my family name is Caramiha, perhaps derived from Caranus (I'm not sure) but my father's name was Miltiades, like the winner of the Marathon battle...
When Persians fought Athens and Sparta, they had soldiers brought with force from different parts of the empire. If this is not called slavery... I stand corrected :)
Your nickname says it all. You guide yourself by movies, I don't.
300 is about Sparta, not about Alexander.
My evidence for this is the account of Arrian, the account of Ptolemy Soter (Alexander's half brother by Philip) and of the rest of the historians such as Plutarch which recorded Alexander's Campaign against the Persian Empire.
Look up the historic facts, don't mention a movie (300) that is not even about what we discuss here.
I guide myself by SECONDARY sources, you guide yourself on PRIMARY sources. Go learn the difference. You read the views of Greeks, go read the views by Persians as well.
Primary sources are not accepted as historic facts, they can only be supplied as an evidence if other secondary source evidence can be found.
No academic essay in a university would accept a primary source as a source.
I used to make tutorials for software, hence my name. Don't state what you don't know.
I guide myself by the historical truth, not by some bollocks spilled out by a dude, that brings up a movie, that is not even related to the discussion.
Darius's army was formed not just by the Persian soldiers and mercenaries, who were paid but Persians had many slave-soldiers, removed from their home-lands and who were forced to be part of the army.
If the account(s) of people whom were in fact there, do not count, it means that you guide yourself by coloring books...
No, I'm not. Never the less, I suggest you do some reading about the Persian army during Alexander's campaign against Persia. You will find out that Darius had many slaves as soldiers in his army, taken by force from their homelands and forced to fight.
But of course, he also had paid soldiers and mercenaries.
You asked me the sources, I answered: Go to Encyclopedia Britannica. I called you a moron because you can't even use google to find information on your own.
@shockolanu I can obviously find my own sources. I asked what sources YOU were using. I did not ask for sources that I could use. Next time, please try reading it thoroughly.
None the less the Persian emipire had much been in declined much before Alexander conquerored it not trying to down play Alexander but he saw the end to already dieing empire . The Cyrus the great and even Darius I are to me are the true pillars of Persian greatest and strength .
PS I didnt understand who is the enemy of all free men
Yes, the Persian empire was dying but you must not forget this: In Egypt, Xerxes had a great army, just the heavy and light infantry alone counted more than 600.000 men. While Alexander's army was much smaller. Tactics always have the last word.
And the enemy of all free men... I think you know whom am I talking about. If you don't you should see who is giving Iran a hard time as we speak. If you still can't see the enemy, it's USA.
Yes, it was my mistake, I meant to say Darius but I was thinking about Xerxes's campaigns against Ellada in 450BC. And beside the propaganda of US, you might see that they are trying to destroy what is left of your ancient civilization.
And when the Persians sacked and burned Athens? How was it then? Was it good? Athens was a center of knowledge and of culture and the Persians burned it to the ground. As far as I remember, Alexander did not destroy anything in Babylon. In fact, he treated the Persians as his own and took Roxana as a wife! As far as I remember, Alexander asked Xerxes to surrender and to come to him by his own will and not only he will be spared but treated as an equal and granted absolutely any wish.
Athens was abandoned city before Xerxes got there and when Xerxes army burned it he ordered it REBUILT the very next day. The Xerxes felt ashamed to dishonor the ways of persia . This is a fact never before or after has a persia king burned or looted a city .Besides the city of Athens was never looted .
Was it good of course not. When Alexander sacked Persopolis 2500 tons of gold and silver was looted and the city was burned and the women were taken for the soldiers . The richest city in ancient world was Persepolis not Babylon . AND Xerxes lol It was Darius III who fought with Alexander . Roxana was Bactrian Persian yes but its was poltics at play . The ruler of East and west with Persian wife . Alexander was a great leader with an Iron will , i'll give him that
Persepolis was burned deliberately. the remains of serious fire damage cover the entire complex! ......if the fire had only been accidental, and in one building, it could have been quickly put out........my theory is that Alexander stripped the place of wealth then let his men take the rest and torch the place! they sacked it. god have mercy on those Alexander sold into slavery.
The tellers of the story of Alexander of Macedonia who told his story 600 years after his death did not pay attention of the point that the main reasons in winning a war is the greater number of fighters, the supremacy of the arms used and the experience of the commanders in warfare together with a thorough knowledge of the enemy terrain and its economy.
A young man from a sparsely populated land with a poor economy cannot easily rise to destroy a great Empire, confiscate the land of a brave people where in every household having a sword and arrow was a way of life, as if the enemy had come to a land of addicts and street dwellers.
Great number of fighters ? If anything it was always a problem possessing the necessary men to conqueor and hold the land amassed. How many men could be produced from Greece ? Hence why his inclusion of Persians and other Orientals was borne of need.
The idiots who have written against Iran and worse those who believe them have written that Alexander attacked Iran with 30000 troops and 40000 mounted soldiers via the strait of Ellis Pont, today known as Dardanelle, crossed a deep and fast river with high granite walls and fought Darius the 3rd in Asia Minor. The granite river that is today called Bighachay is a small and shallow river that has no walls.
The liars are shameless, as long as there are gullible people who believe them they may continue with their lies. Moreover, the banks of this river have no place for the battle of around 150,000 men. Go and see for yourself if you do not believe this.
The liar writers wanted to diminish the importance of Susa the two thousand year capital of Elam which was also the capital of the Achaemenides for 200 years and to have people believe that a partially completed shrine of Takht-e-Jamshid was the capital of Iran, then falsely have it burnt down by Alexander.
They also had no idea of the distances between places and whatever they have written with respect to this is pure rubbish. It is easy to realize that it is all lies; they say 600 thousand troops of Darius crossed the bridges over the Euphrates River in 5 days,
all academics agree that the army count on both sides is heavily exaggerated, and that at Granicus it is very possible that Alexander was defeated and repelled in his first attack at dawn, but the jist of your argument is invalid and completely baseless.
Well history was up and down. The Persians had eastern greekland for centuries, you know it. Also that Greece lost to Romans, to Ottomans, and as I know never had empire again. But Iranian did have several other empires after arrival of Islam, you know it... So history is up and down. Picking some victories and not seeing defeats is not what we should do right? The important facts are: Iranians and Greeks contributed a lot to world culture. Both had up and down. That's all.
Though i Agree with your ultimate conclusion whole heartedly, you may want to google the Byzantine empire in regards to a continuation of a Hellenic empire.
@NYcyclingFan Exactly! Correction: the Iranians/Persians had two more world empires BEFORE the arrival of Islam a 1000 yrs later (Parthian, Sassanian). Greece would remain an important influence on Rome (and of course later Western civilization) but in itself would never be a power again (or an independent nation until the 19th century). Likewise, Persia would become a major influence on the later Islamic world in culture, medicine, science, literature and architecture.
Nice documentary! Nice cities! Nice countries! Nice people! It's obvious that Alexander didn't get bored on his way and oftenly treated kindly by the people he found on his way like Michael Wood nowadays! People talking bullshit on youtube about that region and its people should walk the same route as Alexander!!!
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this fucking idiot who said that he wan to kill Alexander the great... What about wen persians was killin Greeks ... he dont thing this!!! i am talking wen it was 300 spartians and all that!!!
Alexander the Great was the only undfeated general throughtout the history of the world!he became immortal before his journey to the China so he can defeat the demon hordes!he was son of Zeus thats why he had a divine mission,to seal the gates from which the demons(nephilim)came out in the earth and he did it!that was his aim while living.during his mission he claimed back the greek cities which the persians with the help of the nephilim have conquered hundred of years before.all is greek!:>
another proof that univers favours gays..lol
alizamzam11 7 hours ago
/2LloydMadoff WORD bro also this Persian Iranian wouldnt be able to even get close to alexander ... Alexander would sever hes head off the time he even moves or put a spear thru hes gut
YaBudala 1 day ago
Iranians have a grudge vs Alexander...ok.
But the Persians also tormented Greece in the 5th Century and burned Athens,in fact, Xerxes took Greek art/statues back to Persia and Alexander send them back to Athens.
theprodigy1600 1 month ago
@theprodigy1600 lol angry losers hate the righteous
SadCarnage1224 3 weeks ago
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Makedonia was never Greece
Viva la Makedonia 4 all Makedonians and never 4 Greece
Devoj4E 3 months ago
The "Spartan" Persians! Trully Westerns very soon forget that Eastern Peoples can also figh to the death! Honor to both Western(Greeks) and Eastern(Persians and allies) warriors!
ImperialGuard9001 4 months ago
LOLL at the bloke who would like ta cut alexander up for one the time he tried ta even slash him hes head would be dicapitated form hes shoulders ... dats how talented alexander was(:
YaBudala 4 months ago
The Great Alexander crushed this empire and revenged Hellas with 30,000 Macedonians.
A pushover for the Yanks !
becharev 9 months ago
"the legend told by greek historians was so famous that is has become fact".
Couldn't have said it better myself. Just take hollywood for example: Glorifying the Greeks while insulting the persians, showing only Greek victories and heroics, only greek accomplishments, greek contribution to human civilization, greek mythology. They have repeated it so much, that these legends, myths, fictional stories and lies have suddenly become the truth.
History is written by the victor. Damn the victor.
Shahin2102 1 year ago
Your own people fuck you up such as that prisoner did by telling him a way out....
Masoud5991 1 year ago
@Masoud5991 they're not our people. Our people are Persians. The IR are arabs and anyone who follows them is an arab.
Shahin2102 1 year ago
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Well maybe Alexanders horse spoked like pritski,mitski,fuckitski,but not Alexander.hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Have you found anything written in pritski,mitski,fuckitski????????
Not,,only in greek
Deformedius 1 year ago
You can say the same about the Greeks. Their history has been replaced by a jewish god.
LloydMadoff 1 year ago
How sad that this man hated Alexander for what he did to Iran. Persia before Islam was a 1st world country. Islam ruined the people and the nation. Most of all, it ruined their ability to see the true culprit. Long live Zoroaster! Please don't forget your history.
LloydMadoff 1 year ago 13
1:56 *lol* why? WHAT did alexander do to Iran?
evaberlin 1 year ago
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stupid greeks aleksander kill all greeks , but h glory hahahahhaha mother fucker . macedonia for the macedonians forever and united macedonia , vardar , pirin aegean will be one united macedonia that is new name for nato mother fucker
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polysemousncrk 1 year ago
5:42 - Just where alexander pitched his tent!!!
I'll bet it's where he pilished his sword too!
Oh the Comdey!!!!!
RicRagsLive 1 year ago 3
He only ruled the world for less than 15 years and he couldn't successfuly occuppy in Persia.
amareto35 1 year ago
OMG people here are writing so much but saying absolutely nothing, grow up guys & get a life.
MsStormcrow 1 year ago 5
Ἐπειδὴ ὁρῶμεν πᾶσαν πόλιν οὖσαν τινὰ κοινωνίαν καὶ πᾶσαν κοινωνίαν συνεστηκυῖαν ἕνεκεν ἀγαθοῦ τινος (πάντα γὰρ πράττουσι πάντες χάριν τοῦ δοκοῦντος εἶναι ἀγαθοῦ), δῆλον ὡς πᾶσαι μὲν στοχάζονταί τινος ἀγαθοῦ, καὶ μάλιστα δὲ ἡ κυριωτάτη πασῶν καὶ περιέχουσα πάσας τὰς ἄλλας τοῦ κυριωτάτου πάντων. Αὕτη δ' ἐστὶν ἡ καλουμένη πόλις καὶ ἡ κοινωνία ἡ πολιτική.
JIMY45GR 1 year ago 3
well done alex
partyhat3 1 year ago 5
thx
Ziggurathss 1 year ago 9
THE MAN SINGING in the beggening of the video is kurdish not fars, and this brings me to my point that greek sholars couldnt say fars, or the language spoken by iranians, so they said pars, and in greek if you add IA, is means land so iran became known as PERSIA, OR PARSIA, to persians iran has always been called iran, land of the aryans-not persia
diznab900 1 year ago 3
@diznab900 AHAHAHAHAH youre so wrong.... ARABS CANT SAY P.... think about it... FARS is an arabic word for PARS speaking people. Persians called themselves PARSA, and greeks correctly accounted them as PERSIAN, PERSIAN GULF, PERSEUS, etc. ARABS are tongue tied retards who cant pronounce the letter "P" .... hence why they call PEPSI, BEBSI, or PARS, FARS....
PersiaWithoutISLAM 1 year ago
@PersiaWithoutISLAM Disregarding your other uneducated comments, your rogue attack on a language such as Arabic shows your ignorance. For Arabs, letter P is lighter than the letter B. Some Arabs pronounce that way because English words that contain a P are translated replacing the P with the Arabic letter for B.
That, however, does not in any way undermine the strength and richness of the Arabic language. Arabs themselves do not speak formal Arabic, so your reference is probably slang-Arabic.
Thisisthefuture100 1 year ago
@Thisisthefuture100 AHAHAHAHAH. sorry buddy, but almost the whole world except muslims and arabs will admit arabic is a hideous sounding language that tried to bastardize other tongues the same way. Strength and richness? the only fields arabs have strength and richness in is, child molestation, camel piss drinking, trying to keep the world in the year 700 ad, i can go on forever... also all their knowledge was stolen anyway, GO TO MY CHANNEL AND WATCH YOU IGNORANT BRAINWASHED FOOOOOOL!
PersiaWithoutISLAM 1 year ago 2
@PersiaWithoutISLAM You can launch into a diatribe, but your insults will not change history. The historic influence of the Arabic language was very important. For example, chew on some facts:
1. Arabic has the largest vocabulary and word-root system
2. Arabic Grammar is considered an excellent model (some even use the term "perfect")
2. You just used Arabic numerals (1,2,3,4...)
3. More than 26 world languages in-use derive from the Arabic language
4. Unique consonants found no where else
Thisisthefuture100 1 year ago
@Thisisthefuture100 i dont see anyone saying arabic grammer is 'perfect', it might be good...but noone wud use the term perfect to describe something like a language grammer.
AND more importantly, you should know the number system we all use are NOT arabic numerals....these were INVENTED by INDIANS, and brought to the west by arabs, who facilitated trade between india and europe...thus they were called ino-arabic, but were invented by indians. google it.
chatisaac 1 year ago
What the fuck do you know about the history of Persians?
Please don't embarrass yourselves by saying we slaved peope, Cyrus The Great was the first man to write the first human rights chapter.
Cyrus was also the reason the Jews were freed from Babylon. So don't talk shit.
Even in the Jewish holly book it speaks of Cyrus as something close to a prophet for his blessed act.
We Persians believe in 3 wise words:
Good Thoughts
Good Words
Good Deeds
Research the real history.
FezAvesta 2 years ago
@FezAvesta Uhm no. ZOROASTRIANS believe in Good thoughts, good words and good deeds. It is not a Persian belief. When most Persians converted to Islam, they lost that belief. Don't try to bring it back now.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
Related to the comment to FezAvesta, you are very stupid. There are Zoroastrian people living today all over the world. It was the religion of ancient Persians. Today, there are many people whom want to practice this religion in countries such as Iran but are oppressed by Islamists. Get your facts straight or don't talk shit because you make a fool of yourself.
Stop guiding yourself by movies.
shockolanu 2 years ago
@shockolanu How am I stupid? It is not a Persian belief ; it is a Zoroastrian belief. That is one of the principal doctrines of the religion . If they want to practice the religion, but are unable to, then they can still practice the religion and all the doctrines. But Good thoughts, words and deeds are a zoroastrian belief, not a Persian one. I don't guide myself by movies, maybe you should learn to start reading ?
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
I don't know how come you are so stupid. You should ask your parents, maybe they were 1st degree relatives.
The religion of Ancient Persians was Zoroastrian. Darius was one too. Yes, they can still do it in private, they can't do it in the open. Zoroastrian was the religion of Persians from Cyrus until the breaking of the Persian Empire by Alexandros, look it up, don't take my word for it.
I learned how to read and write at the same time I learned English - 7-8 years.
shockolanu 2 years ago
@shockolanu The majority of Persians are Muslims, not Zoroastrians. It is not a Persian belief, but a Zoroastrian one.
You are incorrect. It continued to be the religion of the Persians until the fall of the Sassanid Empire by the Arabs in the 600s.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
Darius, king of the Persian Empire was Zoroastrian. I don't need to provide you with any sources, it is basic historical knowledge. Further more, you can do some research about the Parsi people. They practice Zoroastrianism today. Don't ask me where I know it from, I just know it for a long time (since I was in school). If you are not taught proper ancient history in school it is not my problem or my concern. I suggest you start using encyclopedias, it might help you gather more knowledge.
shockolanu 2 years ago
@shockolanu I don't need to research the Parsi people. I am a Parsi myself.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
You are a Parsi my ass.
shockolanu 2 years ago 2
@shockolanu I don't have to prove it to you, if you must be jealous, please continue doing so.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
How can I be jealous? First of all, you are a moron who never heard of an encyclopedia or of google search engine.
Second, you are moron, you argue over absolutely nothing. There are Parsi people in Iran today but they are oppressed from practicing their religion openly. The Zoroastrianism is the religion of ancient Assyrians and later, ancient Persians. This is common knowledge yet, you don't know it even if you are Parsi.
Third and most important, I'm Greek-Macedonian, I could never be jealous
shockolanu 2 years ago 2
@shockolanu They are not oppressed from practicing their religion openly, Muslims are oppressed from converting to Zoroastrianism. These people are not called Parsi, but just Zoroastrians. Secondly, very little is known about Early Zoroastrianism, there is no consensus about the origin of the religion, although many believe that it spread from the believed birth place of Zoroaster, Bactria. This is not common knowledge.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago 2
Sure they are, I have friends from Iran who say this. They are Zoroastrians and they are forbidden to practice their religion in the open. You should talk more often to Parsi people such as yourself.
Yeah, Bactria, Alexander used to shag a chick from Bactria her name was Barsine. They even had a child, his name was Herakles. Alexander fell in love with her from a very young age (10-11) when he conquered Persia, he met her again and they married. For me it is common knowledge.
shockolanu 2 years ago 2
@shockolanu Really? I didn't know that. I have a friend that lives in Iran, who visits the fire temple frequently and lives a normal life. Now, we 'Parsis' live in India, not Iran. Don't classify us as Iranians or even Iranis.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
@ComputerGuideByMovie Shutup. you are genetically a PERSIAN. respect it bro, its an epic history.
PersiaWithoutISLAM 1 year ago
@PersiaWithoutISLAM I probably know pre-Islamic Persian history better than you. Don't tell me to shut up, and expect me to listen to you.
ComputerGuideByMovie 1 year ago
@FezAvesta:
Tell that to the slaves from Albania (Caucasus) that were forced to fight in the Persian army.
Never the less, Cyrus the Great is not Darius. Much respect for Cyrus, Darius is a stain on the Persian history.
shockolanu 2 years ago
The balkans belong to Christians not Muslims.
DogManakaElCid 2 years ago
alexander was a great general and a cruel man, he fought war and destroyed people and their cities. but he did not do anything good for people.
people remember him as a destroyer not as a great emperor.
Titanic1954utube 2 years ago
You lived 29 years and you don't know why Alexander became a God among men?
Who the fuck are you to speak about a God?
Go read some books before you start criticizing, you moron!
And yes, Alexander raised cities to the ground, he killed and took into slavery all those whom opposed him and he treated as equal all those whom surrendered without a fight.
The Persians were lucky to have their lives and to be allowed to keep their culture. If I were Alexander, I would have left none alive!
shockolanu 2 years ago
"I would have left none alive" good on you .. I am sure you would fit right in with the Nazi's ... and ALLOWED to keep their culture ahahhaa The Persian culture is older than the Greek history and it would take a real conqueror to stick around to weed out our culture lol .. PS alexander was Macedonian not Greek
armanipure1 2 years ago
Persian is younger than Assyrian and the Median EmpiresThe Persians were allowed to keep their culture and gods. Persian Empire (560-330BC). Hellenic culture 2500BC-2009AD
If you are speaking about Old Assyrian and the Median Empires which are to be differentiated of the Persians, yes, those emerged around the same time as the Hellenic civilization 20th cent BC.
Further more, Alexander was Macedonian. Hellenic, just like the:Thessalonians, Epirotes, Cretans, Peloponesians, Spartans, Athenians...
shockolanu 2 years ago
Medians were ancient Iranian people LOL wow I truly wonder where you get your facts
armanipure1 2 years ago
The Medians were slaves to the Persians. Before the battle of Gaugamela, Alexander held a speech. I listened it yesterday. The account was recorded by Ptolemy and related by the historian called Arrian. Alexander clearly mentions the Median and Assirian people in the Persian army and he says that they are there as slaves to the Persians. It might not be true but the Persian Empire is not the same as the Assyrian or Median Empire. I get my facts from history.
shockolanu 2 years ago
LOL Medians are Iranian people lol so are persians and so are the medes so get your history right
armanipure1 2 years ago
PS Elam were Iranic people as well and they date back 3000 bc .. To honest I see what your trying to do and that is to belittle the persians and to make evil of what they have achieved .. I emit greek achievements for they are great as the persians but you have your own agenda
armanipure1 2 years ago
Yes, Elam is Iranian and very ancient. From around 5000BC actually...
I never stated that Persia did not bring anything good to the world. And the Assyrian empire was one of the first, if not the first empire.
Never the less, Persians burned Athens. Alexander clearly states it as one of his main motivations to attack Persians....
shockolanu 2 years ago
YES I know never stated they did not . I simply stated its not a persian custom to raid and loot
armanipure1 2 years ago
Also, I would add the fact that Persians destroyed many Egyptian temples and buildings, killing priests, etc. The Egyptians were happy to see Alexander kicking Persian butt and the Egyptians also were left alone to keep their wonderful culture. Alexander built the city of Alexandria and the Library. He took there all the knowledge of the world.
When Hellenes were fighting your ancestors, you were an Empire.
Now, you have another enemy and I might name it a common enemy of all free men!
shockolanu 2 years ago
ALSO everything who stated comes from Greek historian Herodotus LOL and we know how the facts are clearly false and bias greek propaganda. Cambyses II invaded Egypt and I quote (The Egyptian evidence that we do have depicts a ruler anxious to avoid offending Egyptian susceptibilities who at least presented himself as an Egyptian king in all respects. It is even possible that the pillaging of Egyptian towns told to us by Greek sources never occurred at all"
armanipure1 2 years ago
1 - How come the Egyptians were happy to see the Persians go, even if they were substituted with another ruler (Ptolemy)?
2 - From the Greek historian Herodotus LOL? - If it wasn't for Herodotus, you would have had no notion of HISTORY.
shockolanu 2 years ago
hahaha right Herodotus cleary bias this is fact its not debatable
armanipure1 2 years ago
If you truly want to debate me try to get sources that arent chest pieces of propanganda . The Greeks like modern U.S were famous for it . I wonder why I cant find any propanganda from the Persians or Egyptians . The tales you speak of come from the victor . Persian customs were to free all men from slavery and they are many accounts of this happening and to allow every nation to continue their religion . In fact all men and women were paided for any services .
armanipure1 2 years ago
Why would you call it propaganda? Is it not true that Alexander defeated the entire Persian Empire? You might call it propaganda but we well know from history that Egypt, after the first Persian conquest and rule had certain time frames of independence. Each of these independence periods ended in Persian conquest. This doesn't sound like a free nation to me. Also, I have watched a doc just recently about Egypt. It stated exactly what I said. The Egyptians were suppressed by Persians.
shockolanu 2 years ago
Unlike some greeks like the Spartans helots. Many made of slaves and and I quote (They were ritually mistreated, humiliated and even slaughtered) .. Yes your Alexander created Alexandria named after him . It truly was a beautiful city and no Library was bulit by Ptolemy I Soter . Like I stated earlier Alexander was a great general and if you like he kicked persian butt lol .
armanipure1 2 years ago
Yes, at that time Macedonians were at no terms with the Spartans. The Spartans were upset because the Macedonians did not allow them to conduct the campaign against Persia. Not only that they were upset but refused to participate.
The Library was built by Alexander and he took there all the knowledge of the world (Athens, Babylon, Egypt, Libya, even from parts of Turkey). All the knowledge was free for anyone. The Pharos was built by Ptolemy, not the library.
shockolanu 2 years ago
the library was conceived and opened either during the reign of Ptolemy I Soter or during the reign of his son Ptolemy II. Plutarch (CE 46120)
armanipure1 2 years ago
Plutarch is not to be held as true source. He also states something about Alexander mentioning the Pharos in a letter to Ptolemy. The Pharos was built by Ptolemy after Alexander's death.
The library was conceived by Alexander himself with the help of Ptolemy. The library was concieved and built during Alexander's lifetime and it flourished during Ptolemaic dynasty.
shockolanu 2 years ago
LOL AND U BELIEVE HERODOTUS jezzz ...
armanipure1 2 years ago
Herodotus never wrote about Alexander or his campaigns, simply because he lived 100 years before Alexander did... I'm not debating any of Herodotus's writings, I'm debating the fact that whether he is or is not the Father of History.
shockolanu 2 years ago
where did I state that ... Please tell me
armanipure1 2 years ago
Where did you state what? I'm trying to answer each comment and I'm dizzy already... :)
Also about the Medians... you see... you say they are Iranian ancient people. Now why did you state that Macedonians are not Hellenic? Do you know other REAL Macedonians that are of other descend? Perhaps Slavic origins???
shockolanu 2 years ago
Again I never stated macedonians are not Hellenic but they are not greeks .. They were deeply influence by the greeks hence meaning Hellenic
armanipure1 2 years ago
I see... yes, Macedonians should be distinguished from other Hellenic nations, of whom the Greeks too. Not because we don't share the same common roots (Macedon was founded by Caranus, a Greek from Argos, son of Temenus and 4th generation form Heracles). The Macedonians should be distinguished not by their blood or by their customs but by the simple fact that we are at constant competition with all the other Hellenic people. Why? Because competition leads to perfection of the mind and body.
shockolanu 2 years ago
Okay i agree to that... Because competition leads to perfection of the mind and body. Nice I like that
armanipure1 2 years ago
Herodotus actually stated about 6 million during the wars Thermoplae LOL which was tottally BS and well knowed to be farse because the Persian Empire never made a army of that size and 600 000 is also wrong it was 100 to 250 000
armanipure1 2 years ago
You are somewhat right but, you must remember this: Herodotus did not relate 6 millions at the battle of Hot Gates. It must be a mistake or something... I don't recall anything stating that Leonidas fought 6 million troops from Persia.
Never the less, Herodotus wrote about the battle of Plataea where the Greeks fought around 200.000 Persians.
shockolanu 2 years ago
yes your right but the there was 2 armies . One land and one sea and at the hot gates they met the land army
armanipure1 2 years ago
Yes, because before the fleet could anchor, a great storm took place... Many thought that Poseidon came to the aid of the Spartans. Never the less, the quota between the Persian army and the Spartans (along with the aid they got from other Greeks) clearly tilts toward the Persian army. And also, the land army was made up of huge numbers.
shockolanu 2 years ago
yaa am with u there ... 250 000 to maybe 1000 .. The hot gates are only 50 to 60 feet wide so defended the pass was easy. The spartans and allied greeks are well armored and well trained . The Persians were made up soldiers all parts of the empire and not well armored
armanipure1 2 years ago
It depends from what part of the empire they were brought from. Some of the soldiers were better equipped than the Spartans whom fought almost naked, with light armor on their feet and heads and the big round shield. This tradition comes from Heracles, a common ancestor to Corinthians, Spartans and Macedonians. Also after the defeat of Plataea, the Persian Empire started keeping the armies from different places in different formations with captains that spoke their own language.
shockolanu 2 years ago
LOL Spartans didnt fight the Persians naked nor half halfed as u say BUT iknow what you speak of .
armanipure1 2 years ago
How come? The spartan equipment was:
1 - Spear
2 - Sword
3 - Shield
4 - Helmet
5 - Leg and arm protections
6 - Some sort of underwear :))
No torso protection, no upper leg protection.
shockolanu 2 years ago
Spartans were armored with flanged bronze cuirasses, leg greaves, and a helmet, most usually of the Corinthian type. It is often disputed which torso armor the Spartans wore during the Persian Wars
armanipure1 2 years ago
Hmmm... my history teacher said that they did not have any sort of torso protection. And yes, they were not half naked but leaving the torso, upper arms and upper legs unprotected is like going to battle half naked... :)))
shockolanu 2 years ago
LOL well I think it be stupid not to protect your chest but I know how spartans are tough as nails ..
armanipure1 2 years ago
Anyway, this aside... I suppose you are a believer in Islam. I just want to ask you about the Mahdi and Dajjal. Do you know about this? Or, better put, are you willing to discuss this?
shockolanu 2 years ago
LOL no am not a muslim .. Islam oppressed my people
armanipure1 2 years ago
Oh, I see... I thought you are Muslim. So, should I take it that you do not know about the Dajjal?
I'm not Muslim either but I recently heard about these terms and I was hoping you can tell me more about it.
I was born a Christian Orthodox but, I chose not to put my faith in the Church but in God.
Here in Romania, priests are corrupt to the bone. If you have no money to pay the priest for a funeral, the dead does not receive any and goes to the ground without a ceremony...
Kind of lame, huh?
shockolanu 2 years ago
No not a clue .. Ya I believe Islam and Christanity are very corrupt and thus I dont believe in them . Together they have shed more blood than any other wars put together . So you live in Romania
armanipure1 2 years ago
Yes, you are 110% right. Most religions are wrong. Not by nature but by the nature of man that twists the religion in his favor to go and conquer other nations in the name of that religion.
Yes, I live in Bucharest Romania. It's a crappy place. :)
By the way, I have a friend that married an Iranian dude. She told me about her husband and he's more than OK. I hope I'll get to talk to him one day. I really respect your history and culture, even if our ancestors were enemies, we should be friends.
shockolanu 2 years ago
You know it was the Muslims who taught us west 3 meals a day routine, algebra, technology horoscopes, how to bath regularly, how to build castles, how to drink tea, enhanced medicine etc. Remember during the crusades when christians killed Muslim men women & children yet the Muslims let the christians ago alive. Without Religion we would not know about God so u can say u belive in God but not religion. Not logic there. More and more ppl are leaving christianity as its not logical.
easynowww 2 years ago
Okay slow down i'll answer to all what u stated lol .. Islam never created enhanced medicine or anything else . Just cause the people are Mulsim who invented it does not mean the Religion can take credit for it . Islam is influenced by Christanity and Christtanity is Judaism and Judasim is influenced by Zorastrianism .
armanipure1 2 years ago
How can u say Islam and Christianity are corrupt? maybe ppl corrupt them but thats not the Religion's fault. Many wars and conflicts have happend for other reasons then religion. If anything in history Christians have been more voilent and cruel then anybody. Am not a Muslim or anything but i see lot of people Revert to Islam everyday. When it was Muslim control world everybody lived in Peace together unlike christian control where non-christians were persecuted.
easynowww 2 years ago
Most religions started off to guide mankind to the right path to bring goodness to the world but all have their own agenda . Any religion lead by man is bound by corruption eventually . Many wars have been for greed by the religious factions . I agree Christanity hands are the most bloody . Islam has been known to be more peaceful I agree but there are many other things I dont agree with . The Islamic leaders have made the middle east weak and corrupt .
armanipure1 2 years ago
Some ppl just dont know history. What are the non-muslims doing now to Palestune? Iraw, Afghanistan? Bosnia, Nigeria, Kosovo etc? obviosly the Muslims will fight back. I dont condone any kind of terrorism but look at the cause of it, the root, the source. Non-muslims have oppressed and killed more then anyone. It was the Muslims who brought Peace to Arabia, Africa and Balkans. Also to Malaysia etc. Dnt get me wrong am not a Muslim but i know when to be fair. Ppl revert to Islam everyday.
easynowww 2 years ago
I'm not going to argue anything you said except the fact that the Ottomans brought Islam to the Balkans by sword, not in the form of a book. I know it because my country fought against them and eventually lost. The Ottomans took a whole royal family of Wallachia to Constantinople and beheaded all of them because they would not convert to Islam (Islam was just a pretext, the Ottomans wanted to have safety in the area before attacking Hungary).
Islam is OK as long as you don't use it wrong.
shockolanu 2 years ago
Am devout Christian myself but am also fair and realistic. The Ottomons were hardly practicing Muslims, they didnt invade to spread religion but theur culture and philipshies. I know cuz my Mother is Alabanian and i have been to Tirana. I know history. Look at Turkey/Ottomons now? they arent Muslims in anything. People embraced Islam out of their own Will when Arabs spread. Islam teachws peace. The oppression, rape killings, occupation by non-muslims is cause of terroism extreimisns etc.
easynowww 2 years ago
I simply disagree its not a perfect as u say .. Muslims as most religion have killed and oppressed Iran is a perfect example ... Yes I do agree with the fact Western governements started this whole problem in the middle east .. In fact they are very evil and they greed has started this whole terrorism plot if in fact it is even real to begin with .. I think 911 is an inside job and they blame it on Islam cause the big oil nations are muslim
armanipure1 2 years ago
Muslims are a minority where killings, oppression etc is concered compared to Christians and Jews and others i.e Romans, Germanics, English, West colonisizm, slavery etc. The Muslims in history have done it self-defense. Maybe not thr right way but they had cause. Before west colonialsim the world was civlized under Muslim Control. Ppl of all faiths lived side by side unlike christian control where non-christians were persecuted. Dont get me wrong am not pro or anti anything, am devout Christian
easynowww 2 years ago
You cant blame Religion for peoples wrong doing. Just cuz a Muslim does bad its Islam' fault? just cuz a Christian does bad its christianty fault? the zionists in isreal are atheist but the Jews who practice dont want voilence and dont support isrealy oppression. So u see religion cannot be blamed. Islam only has harsh laws so to teach ppl rightenouness, to stop ppl doing bad immoral degrading behaviour. Ottomom used Islam as excusw but were not good Muslims!. Am goong in holiday now . Bye!.
easynowww 2 years ago
By the way Christianity was voted the most voilent religion and am sad to say this as am Christian myself but look at the crusades, the conflicts between christians, between west, slavery etc. the ku klux klan in america who are extreme christians and teac their kids to kill blacks and non-white blue eyed christians. We Christians have been more cruel then anyone and anything. Bible does not teach killing but does say if u dont belive in Jesus as God then u go hell. Sad but true. Am off now. Bye
easynowww 2 years ago
what are you talking about religion can't be blamed the suicide bombers are all religious, religion can be blamed for most wars in history
FilipH86 2 years ago
@FilipH86 No, it cant. A few misguided people allows you to blame religion? How nice of you to blame something you know nothing about.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
I don't even know what your responding to. But fuck off and don't tell me that I'm ignorant about something. exept why you are attacking me because I can't find my comment it's gone.
FilipH86 2 years ago
Your childish response shows you know nothing of what you claim. Asking me to "fuck off" is beyond immature. If you can't remain civil, then do not continue this discussion.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
What do u mean by Muslims bringing peace to Balkans? They ruined it for enternity.
crashoveryu 2 years ago 22
@crashoveryu as they did ANYWHERE they stepped on, except their barren lawless deserts. they brought law and social justice to the desert. thats ABOUT IT. they fucked the rest of the world over.
PersiaWithoutISLAM 1 year ago
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Thisisthefuture100 1 year ago
@crashoveryu Your statement reflects how little you know of early Muslim history.
Thisisthefuture100 1 year ago
@Thisisthefuture100 Actually I strongly admire early Muslim and Arab history as well as their medicine and science accomplishments. Europe and Western civilization in general owe a lot to Muslims. My statement was referring to Muslim Turks and their extremely negative influence on Balkans.
crashoveryu 1 year ago
@crashoveryu I cannot argue for Muslim Turks because I do not know about them. I thought your statement was a generalization when you said "Muslims".
Unfortunately, Muslim Turks inflicted some damage on the Arab region as well, which was under their rule. For example, they banned the mechanical type-writer after it was invented in Europe, tried to repeal the Arabic language, and governed by brute-force. The whole thing is attributed to a political party that acted almost like the Nazis.
Thisisthefuture100 1 year ago
@crashoveryu Well, thats history. Your retarded forefathers conquered Anatolia and gave the retarded Turks problems. The retarded Turks got angry and powned your retarded forefathers and conquered balkan while they where fighting against whole of Europe.
VictumRoManius 9 months ago
@VictumRoManius Ammm... You see, Turks came to Anatolia in 12th century.. I hope that you can at least calculate the year difference between this migration and the conquest of Alexander the Great.
crashoveryu 9 months ago
@crashoveryu If you had not dissed the history class you would understand that Islam came first in the 7th century.
You where talking about the muslims. The muslims conquered Balkan via the Turks...
VictumRoManius 9 months ago
If u also read history and leanr u will realize Islam never oppressed anyone. People Reverted to Islam out of their Own Will. They embraced Islam. Its only an excuse u make of oppression. The christians oppressed more then anyone and anything and am from a Christian background myself but am also fair and realistic and open mind. Islam teaches under your Mother's feet is paradise, now how can such a teaching oppress ppl? some ppl just cant accept something superior then them and better.
easynowww 2 years ago
Islam in Iran is oppressing Zoroastrians but really all Big religions do just like companies they compete
armanipure1 2 years ago 3
Man, one more thing. When Greeks fought your nation, you were a great empire and we were a small little country. Now, we remained almost the same little country and in time, you became smaller too. Now, another Empire is looming and seems to have as object the enslavement of all free men. Today, we must put aside what happened in Antiquity and look ahead and see the common enemy of all people.
If today you were an Empire threatening my freedom, I would have considered you my enemy. But I don't!
shockolanu 2 years ago
Are you greek ? First off Persian never enslaved anybody again propanganda lol to unite greece .
armanipure1 2 years ago
Yes, I'm Greek-Macedonian. My family came from Vergina (Aigai), the first capital of Macedon, founded by Caranus, the first king of Macedon. Strange but, my family name is Caramiha, perhaps derived from Caranus (I'm not sure) but my father's name was Miltiades, like the winner of the Marathon battle...
When Persians fought Athens and Sparta, they had soldiers brought with force from different parts of the empire. If this is not called slavery... I stand corrected :)
shockolanu 2 years ago
"When Persians fought Athens and Sparta, they had soldiers brought with force from different parts of the empire"
All soldiers in the Achaemenid army were paid.
99999999988888888 2 years ago
The Albanians were slave fighters in Darius's army. I can give you more examples but I'm in a hurry.
shockolanu 2 years ago
@shockolanu Wrong. All were paid.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
yeah, sure, especially the slaves that were forced to fight!
shockolanu 2 years ago
And what is your evidence for this? The movie 300?
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
@ComputerGuideByMovie:
Your nickname says it all. You guide yourself by movies, I don't.
300 is about Sparta, not about Alexander.
My evidence for this is the account of Arrian, the account of Ptolemy Soter (Alexander's half brother by Philip) and of the rest of the historians such as Plutarch which recorded Alexander's Campaign against the Persian Empire.
Look up the historic facts, don't mention a movie (300) that is not even about what we discuss here.
Read a book, not coloring books...
shockolanu 2 years ago
I guide myself by SECONDARY sources, you guide yourself on PRIMARY sources. Go learn the difference. You read the views of Greeks, go read the views by Persians as well.
Primary sources are not accepted as historic facts, they can only be supplied as an evidence if other secondary source evidence can be found.
No academic essay in a university would accept a primary source as a source.
I used to make tutorials for software, hence my name. Don't state what you don't know.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
@ComputerGuideByMovie:
I guide myself by the historical truth, not by some bollocks spilled out by a dude, that brings up a movie, that is not even related to the discussion.
Darius's army was formed not just by the Persian soldiers and mercenaries, who were paid but Persians had many slave-soldiers, removed from their home-lands and who were forced to be part of the army.
If the account(s) of people whom were in fact there, do not count, it means that you guide yourself by coloring books...
shockolanu 2 years ago
@shockolanu The movie is relevant to the discussion, as most adoseslcents use 300 as their 'history book'.
I never stated that primary sources do not count, I said they can be used as evidence to back up claims in secondary sources.
Since you are not writing a book on it, or any other form of secondary evidence, you -should- use secondary sources for research and proof.
Can you remain a little more civil, please? I don't imply anything about your age, I ask the same for myself.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
@ComputerGuideByMovie, you have written so much and said almost nothing. Are you Jewish?
shockolanu 2 years ago
@shockolanu No, I am not Jewish. Are you?
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
No, I'm not. Never the less, I suggest you do some reading about the Persian army during Alexander's campaign against Persia. You will find out that Darius had many slaves as soldiers in his army, taken by force from their homelands and forced to fight.
But of course, he also had paid soldiers and mercenaries.
shockolanu 2 years ago
@shockolanu Do you have any sources which state this who are not Greek?
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
Go to Encyclopedia Britannica, moron!
shockolanu 2 years ago
@shockolanu I request sources from you, and you act uncivil. Not surprising at all.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
You asked me the sources, I answered: Go to Encyclopedia Britannica. I called you a moron because you can't even use google to find information on your own.
shockolanu 2 years ago
@shockolanu I can obviously find my own sources. I asked what sources YOU were using. I did not ask for sources that I could use. Next time, please try reading it thoroughly.
ComputerGuideByMovie 2 years ago
None the less the Persian emipire had much been in declined much before Alexander conquerored it not trying to down play Alexander but he saw the end to already dieing empire . The Cyrus the great and even Darius I are to me are the true pillars of Persian greatest and strength .
PS I didnt understand who is the enemy of all free men
armanipure1 2 years ago
Yes, the Persian empire was dying but you must not forget this: In Egypt, Xerxes had a great army, just the heavy and light infantry alone counted more than 600.000 men. While Alexander's army was much smaller. Tactics always have the last word.
And the enemy of all free men... I think you know whom am I talking about. If you don't you should see who is giving Iran a hard time as we speak. If you still can't see the enemy, it's USA.
shockolanu 2 years ago
Xerxes and Alexander never fought lol and yes USA is another country that uses propanganda well
armanipure1 2 years ago
Yes, it was my mistake, I meant to say Darius but I was thinking about Xerxes's campaigns against Ellada in 450BC. And beside the propaganda of US, you might see that they are trying to destroy what is left of your ancient civilization.
shockolanu 2 years ago
Of course but our culture will remain .. You can never destroy an Idea
armanipure1 2 years ago
ONE MORE THING Iranic people are all persians
armanipure1 2 years ago
Yes cant agree more .. I think he is a great general in terms of winining battles not a leader tho in terms of ruling ppl
armanipure1 2 years ago
Alexander was a great general and an ruthless leader... What barbic tactics to sack the most beautiful and richest in the world
armanipure1 2 years ago
And when the Persians sacked and burned Athens? How was it then? Was it good? Athens was a center of knowledge and of culture and the Persians burned it to the ground. As far as I remember, Alexander did not destroy anything in Babylon. In fact, he treated the Persians as his own and took Roxana as a wife! As far as I remember, Alexander asked Xerxes to surrender and to come to him by his own will and not only he will be spared but treated as an equal and granted absolutely any wish.
shockolanu 2 years ago
Athens was abandoned city before Xerxes got there and when Xerxes army burned it he ordered it REBUILT the very next day. The Xerxes felt ashamed to dishonor the ways of persia . This is a fact never before or after has a persia king burned or looted a city .Besides the city of Athens was never looted .
armanipure1 2 years ago
Was it good of course not. When Alexander sacked Persopolis 2500 tons of gold and silver was looted and the city was burned and the women were taken for the soldiers . The richest city in ancient world was Persepolis not Babylon . AND Xerxes lol It was Darius III who fought with Alexander . Roxana was Bactrian Persian yes but its was poltics at play . The ruler of East and west with Persian wife . Alexander was a great leader with an Iron will , i'll give him that
armanipure1 2 years ago
Persepolis was burned deliberately. the remains of serious fire damage cover the entire complex! ......if the fire had only been accidental, and in one building, it could have been quickly put out........my theory is that Alexander stripped the place of wealth then let his men take the rest and torch the place! they sacked it. god have mercy on those Alexander sold into slavery.
acerb45666555 2 years ago
ariobarzan was a hero
haha111p 2 years ago
The tellers of the story of Alexander of Macedonia who told his story 600 years after his death did not pay attention of the point that the main reasons in winning a war is the greater number of fighters, the supremacy of the arms used and the experience of the commanders in warfare together with a thorough knowledge of the enemy terrain and its economy.
Axcendar 2 years ago
A young man from a sparsely populated land with a poor economy cannot easily rise to destroy a great Empire, confiscate the land of a brave people where in every household having a sword and arrow was a way of life, as if the enemy had come to a land of addicts and street dwellers.
Axcendar 2 years ago
Great number of fighters ? If anything it was always a problem possessing the necessary men to conqueor and hold the land amassed. How many men could be produced from Greece ? Hence why his inclusion of Persians and other Orientals was borne of need.
Check your sources while you're at it.
alexandros1821 2 years ago
The idiots who have written against Iran and worse those who believe them have written that Alexander attacked Iran with 30000 troops and 40000 mounted soldiers via the strait of Ellis Pont, today known as Dardanelle, crossed a deep and fast river with high granite walls and fought Darius the 3rd in Asia Minor. The granite river that is today called Bighachay is a small and shallow river that has no walls.
Axcendar 2 years ago
The liars are shameless, as long as there are gullible people who believe them they may continue with their lies. Moreover, the banks of this river have no place for the battle of around 150,000 men. Go and see for yourself if you do not believe this.
Axcendar 2 years ago
The liar writers wanted to diminish the importance of Susa the two thousand year capital of Elam which was also the capital of the Achaemenides for 200 years and to have people believe that a partially completed shrine of Takht-e-Jamshid was the capital of Iran, then falsely have it burnt down by Alexander.
Axcendar 2 years ago
They also had no idea of the distances between places and whatever they have written with respect to this is pure rubbish. It is easy to realize that it is all lies; they say 600 thousand troops of Darius crossed the bridges over the Euphrates River in 5 days,
Axcendar 2 years ago
all academics agree that the army count on both sides is heavily exaggerated, and that at Granicus it is very possible that Alexander was defeated and repelled in his first attack at dawn, but the jist of your argument is invalid and completely baseless.
Blabber elsewhere my persian friend.
Thessalonik1 2 years ago
Zoarostian symbol 3:06
fuknjojak 2 years ago
the guy who said i would cut alexander to pieces would have probably shit in his pants when alexanders men marched
obscure741 2 years ago 5
Parthian did the same as Sassanids did: They humiliated ROMAN like a little cat. Poor Valerian and alike!
Xshathrapava 2 years ago
3 captured emperors for 2 captured captials? Hardly a humiliation.
The Arab conquest of Persia on the other hand, hmmm....
the5thillusion 2 years ago
Well history was up and down. The Persians had eastern greekland for centuries, you know it. Also that Greece lost to Romans, to Ottomans, and as I know never had empire again. But Iranian did have several other empires after arrival of Islam, you know it... So history is up and down. Picking some victories and not seeing defeats is not what we should do right? The important facts are: Iranians and Greeks contributed a lot to world culture. Both had up and down. That's all.
NYcyclingFan 2 years ago
"Picking some victories and not seeing defeats is not what we should do"
That's why claiming that the Parthians and the Sassanids "humiliated Romans like cats" is a joke.
And did I even mention Greece?
the5thillusion 2 years ago 4
Though i Agree with your ultimate conclusion whole heartedly, you may want to google the Byzantine empire in regards to a continuation of a Hellenic empire.
alexandros1821 2 years ago
@NYcyclingFan Exactly! Correction: the Iranians/Persians had two more world empires BEFORE the arrival of Islam a 1000 yrs later (Parthian, Sassanian). Greece would remain an important influence on Rome (and of course later Western civilization) but in itself would never be a power again (or an independent nation until the 19th century). Likewise, Persia would become a major influence on the later Islamic world in culture, medicine, science, literature and architecture.
ClearMindedOne 1 year ago 2
Nice documentary! Nice cities! Nice countries! Nice people! It's obvious that Alexander didn't get bored on his way and oftenly treated kindly by the people he found on his way like Michael Wood nowadays! People talking bullshit on youtube about that region and its people should walk the same route as Alexander!!!
jordanpower111 2 years ago 2
Excellent documentary and reference.
Thanks for your video sharing with us and your effort, 5 Stars.
Mayaa20 2 years ago 8
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this fucking idiot who said that he wan to kill Alexander the great... What about wen persians was killin Greeks ... he dont thing this!!! i am talking wen it was 300 spartians and all that!!!
mrSExyGR 3 years ago
Alexander the Great was the only undfeated general throughtout the history of the world!he became immortal before his journey to the China so he can defeat the demon hordes!he was son of Zeus thats why he had a divine mission,to seal the gates from which the demons(nephilim)came out in the earth and he did it!that was his aim while living.during his mission he claimed back the greek cities which the persians with the help of the nephilim have conquered hundred of years before.all is greek!:>
ixwr13 3 years ago 7
no check Khalid Ibn Walid 100 victories 0 defeats
Korianne75 2 years ago
The same Khalid who got whooped in the battle of Trench and ten years later on his march to Aleppo? LOL
the5thillusion 2 years ago