I dont know whats funnier this guy's videos or the responding comments from jazzers who are completely devoid of any trace of a sense of humour what so ever. Brilliant!
I actually like those chords and runs. But he's absolutely right that it quickly just becomes mush without melody. But here it's 15 seconds max. A whole night of it? Yegads.
ha! chad wakerman ready to go! man I'm laughin my ass off! sad thing is i know guys who think and play like this...no soul. But I bet you really must have at one point studied allans stuff if you can play that way, even if only for laughs now. I went thru an allan stage too long ago but cant stand his stuff anymore.
Dude! You've got to be kidding me! Sure super-imposing chords is cool and in fact, pretty much the trend since God knows when. However, to say Cmin 7 to F7 is an awful sound is ridiculous! and that Victor Young would want it that way...I mean, come on! As well, without the Cmin7 and F7 e.g., we wouldn't have anything to superimpose over-oh yeah....as far as "jazz" is concerned, and the whole 5ths thing sounds crappy to me
I saw Allan last Saturday night. From the second row. Allan does all the crazy inverted and extended chords and leads mostly with his eyes closed. Also, in addition to the pick, he plucked various strings at various times with his free fingers. Between that and his late Shawn Lane-like finger wingspan, Allan is pretty much impossible to replicate.
In one of his instructional videos Allan actually said that most of the often used voicings of chords sounded "terrible" lmao I actually believed you were being serious for a moment
Demonstrating what...? How does that apply to my comment?
I simply "quoted" an amusing line from the video, and then stated below that I found it funny that some people didn't realize the guy was taking the piss.
Modern fusion guitar owes everything to John Coltrane (RIP)! Traditional Jazz guitar needs to be preserved of historical posterity's sake.
However, there is nothing more fucking boring than a jazz combo playing at whispering volume in order to avoid drowning out a weak ass hollow body guitar! LOL!
Thanks to fusion, the guitar is no longer a bastard instrument in jazz! Now we can whale like Coltrane!
No jazz band I ever heard plays low to "avoid drowning out" the guitar. They now have this cool device called "guitar amp". (Check out Ted Nugent and Steve Howe's "weak ass hollow" guitars). Some jazz bands play quiet because they want to. Maybe it's not your cup of tea; but it has nothing to do with "weak ass hollow body guitars"; those things can tear your head off if you want to use them that way.
If you crank a hollow body you have to contend with a ton of feedback. The exception is ES-335 type guitars and some semi-hollows! But even those can feedback as volume increases. Historically it was tough for jazz guitarists to whale like horn players could for this very reason. That's why traditional guitar jazz tended to be quieter. Shouldn't you be somewhere listening to another rendition of "Titties and Beer"?
Yes there is the feedback problem, but I think it has to get louder than most clubs would allow before that's a serious issue, unless you're right in front of a speaker. Titties and beer; great idea; oh, you mean the song; also a great idea! Thanks for the suggestion.
IMO most acoustic jazz bands play low because the acoustic bass is the lowest volumn instrument in the band.That's why the band plays quietly when the acoustic bass solos.
That was pretty funny, and a wry analysis, probably closer to the truth than it might seem. The end result though is that the runs he plays are actually pretty cool. If it sounds good, it must be music. Hehe.
Even your sense of humor is fusion based. One note above or behind a serious word. May your artform never be hindered by any bass player actually knowing what key you're playing in! I look forward to more wisdom, satire, and truth.
brilliant...you've clearly learned fusion well, if only to poke fun of its proponents...! So what style do you prefer? And about stella--how important is the original intent of the songwriter? reinterpretations may not always be good, but without some new ideas music will become calcified. solidarity, man!
He is using overdrive on his melody notes. The single note soloing. This , by default makes it Jazz Fusion in my book. Traditional jazz is always playeed with a clean tone. Asoon as you add fuzz/dist. you have added the rock element thus making it fusion. He is hilarious and has great points.
Historically (since the 70s), "fusion" has always refered to "fusing" different genres with jazz (particularly rock, but also Indian and African styles, etc). If you solo in the style of Joe Pass, and add distortion, it would not be "jazz fusion". Weather Report had no guitar, and were one of the iconic fusion bands. What is "traditional jazz"? Listen to great horn players, like Bird, and you'll hear them using distortion (just not from a box). Fusion doesn't come out of a guitar pedal.
Would you agree that Alan Holdsworth is the genius responsible for the arrival of new melodies and guitar chords from other galaxies and dimensions that no mere mortal could comprehend. LOL you're really funny man, keep em coming.
With all due respect, Pat Martino and early George Benson are IT as far as jazz guitar tone goes. You're right about stacking fourths and fifths. He also does a lot of spread triads over bass notes other than their own.
novel idea aboutthe approach notes. but with out thuroughly examining all the triads and 7th chord arps built off each chord, the approach you are taking will begin to sound too oblique after a while. Unless of course thats what you like. A balance between chord tones and non chord tones is needed
Brilliant and hilarious! Thanks. Your "All the wrong notes" approach is not only edifying, but is exactly what Victor Young had in mind, or would have, if he'd known it. Or something.
Whatever childhood accident that stretched your fingers beyond any semblance of normal human proportion seems to have had at least one beneficial effect. I'm sure there are others, but this is a family forum, so I will leave that as an exercise for the reader. "I'm deliberately playing any note that isn't a tonic note." You have just busted open the entire mystique of fusion playing. Like Moses with the Ten Commandments. We now know the Truth.
Seriously, next time you have a jam with some jazz nazi's try some of these chords Bongo. Just watch the faces of everyone else as you start to play. It is like the "Emperors new clothes" story! This has to be done with a serious face when playing with unpleasant "elitist" types who have "studied jazz". Instead of stopping and asking you "Ah, what are you doing", they will not say a word. They will try and keep up and play along. Least they admit they do not know something!
"...and that's not going to help My Art."
This continues to slay me.
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"You can hear Chad Wackerman ready to go..."
My cube mates are wondering what I'm laughing out loud about.
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"I've got it all...I've gone through it..."
This is so awesome.
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I've naturally discovered this reassessment of chords and notes. Win.
WeveGotNoTimeToLose 10 months ago
you sound like a good player which makes it even better , smiles
AshStrat1 1 year ago
brilliant
AshStrat1 1 year ago
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"you could study for a long time and get a lot of allan's stuff. i've got it all. you know, i've gone through it."
TheNoga 1 year ago
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TheNoga 1 year ago
Aha,hahaha, brilliant !
jfunkfinger69 1 year ago
Hahaha! That was the funniest video I've seen in a long time! You sir, deserve a medal!
IanSXIII 1 year ago
I dont know whats funnier this guy's videos or the responding comments from jazzers who are completely devoid of any trace of a sense of humour what so ever. Brilliant!
Thedemonseedsower 1 year ago
I wish you had a better camera because this is hilarious. And I like Holdsworth a lot.
rudocurtir 1 year ago
i could almost see ricky gervais doing this skit!
jamesedwardtheobald 1 year ago
brilliant
dragondix 1 year ago
I actually like those chords and runs. But he's absolutely right that it quickly just becomes mush without melody. But here it's 15 seconds max. A whole night of it? Yegads.
GreenGuitarNerd 1 year ago
HHhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa HHHHHHHHHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guyleclairemusic 1 year ago
HHHHHHHHHHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaa HHHHHHHHHHHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaa HHHHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guyleclairemusic 1 year ago
ha! chad wakerman ready to go! man I'm laughin my ass off! sad thing is i know guys who think and play like this...no soul. But I bet you really must have at one point studied allans stuff if you can play that way, even if only for laughs now. I went thru an allan stage too long ago but cant stand his stuff anymore.
progjazzfusion 1 year ago
hey franciscoau,ive enjoyed the banter my best wishes .
can you tell me when superimposing is it enough to just press harder on strings.
fabriceful 1 year ago
you kanga rooined it by your explanation, but thanks for insite into your mindset,the
roo thing was my attempt at humor , what you no like eh ,sure you no live in glass house.
fabriceful 1 year ago
No probs!
fransciscoau 1 year ago
I do get it,I guess its subjective.oh by the way your roo has escaped .
fabriceful 1 year ago
All of my videos are instructional spoofs (just in case you missed this)!
My roo... in fact I have switched to an Emu.
The Ford hybrid Emu is how I get to all of my gigs!
Cheers
fransciscoau 1 year ago
now i can hear what your saying im going back to vids where i cant hear what your saying bliss.
fabriceful 1 year ago
Awesome...my work here is done!
fransciscoau 1 year ago
Holdsworth also calls basic, traditional chord voicings "ugly and horrible"; funny! Great playing!
ricaard 1 year ago
lol hilarious, man!
luvjazzsoulfunk 2 years ago
ah......yes.....humor......Had this been an actual joke, you would have been told where to go and how hard to laugh.
shrd11 2 years ago
Dude! You've got to be kidding me! Sure super-imposing chords is cool and in fact, pretty much the trend since God knows when. However, to say Cmin 7 to F7 is an awful sound is ridiculous! and that Victor Young would want it that way...I mean, come on! As well, without the Cmin7 and F7 e.g., we wouldn't have anything to superimpose over-oh yeah....as far as "jazz" is concerned, and the whole 5ths thing sounds crappy to me
shrd11 2 years ago
Dude! He's not being serious, he's only kidding! LOL! British humor! LOL!
"We are the Knights of NIKT! NIKT! NIKT!"! LOL!
osensei2987 2 years ago
He's oz, dummy, not brit.
MoPomer 2 years ago
Man you should go on tour with this stuff.
Brilliant.
rexotalisman 2 years ago
Judging by these comments I doubt there's much of a market for it. Lolololol. But yeah this is hilarious.
TyShredder 1 year ago
ha-ha i like that little wholetone lick
lonewolfshogun 2 years ago
at 2.52 i lmao at what he says, and the way he says it lmao
replica07 2 years ago
videos making fun of Holdsworth, this proves everything is on youtube
HURMSANFORD 2 years ago
I saw Allan last Saturday night. From the second row. Allan does all the crazy inverted and extended chords and leads mostly with his eyes closed. Also, in addition to the pick, he plucked various strings at various times with his free fingers. Between that and his late Shawn Lane-like finger wingspan, Allan is pretty much impossible to replicate.
snouter 2 years ago
In one of his instructional videos Allan actually said that most of the often used voicings of chords sounded "terrible" lmao I actually believed you were being serious for a moment
DeepSeaSeamus 2 years ago
Top stuff!
adamg709 2 years ago
"If you deliberately play notes before and after the correct! note, it' will sound very much like Alan" Hahaha.
How can people not get it?
nookie077 2 years ago
Look forward to a video of you demonstrating this.
NotYourTypicalNegro 2 years ago
Demonstrating what...? How does that apply to my comment?
I simply "quoted" an amusing line from the video, and then stated below that I found it funny that some people didn't realize the guy was taking the piss.
nookie077 2 years ago
Unfortunately, due probably to the mic, the sound is so awful that the non-ugly chords sound just as ugly as the "ugly" ones.
Gregorypeckory 2 years ago
That ugly sounding chord is like your face. The true face of a comic! Peace! A H.- Get a pint of good ale down you!
WeavermanReynard 2 years ago 2
**awkwardly plays traditional C-7 chord**
"thats a TERRIBLE sound!!!"
classic, i love it
Guitarrega 2 years ago
i love it how you really express your opinion as fact, you really so know your music. i love your playing and your voicings very coooooooool!!!
trevskiw2008 2 years ago
I like where you're headed...but club owners and audiences will come after you with pitchforks and torches like a Frankenstein movie!
Modes9 2 years ago
It has happened to me...suprising how quickly you can get the car started in that situation!!!
fransciscoau 2 years ago
DRIVEL
b5b9 3 years ago
Modern fusion guitar owes everything to John Coltrane (RIP)! Traditional Jazz guitar needs to be preserved of historical posterity's sake.
However, there is nothing more fucking boring than a jazz combo playing at whispering volume in order to avoid drowning out a weak ass hollow body guitar! LOL!
Thanks to fusion, the guitar is no longer a bastard instrument in jazz! Now we can whale like Coltrane!
osensei2987 3 years ago
No jazz band I ever heard plays low to "avoid drowning out" the guitar. They now have this cool device called "guitar amp". (Check out Ted Nugent and Steve Howe's "weak ass hollow" guitars). Some jazz bands play quiet because they want to. Maybe it's not your cup of tea; but it has nothing to do with "weak ass hollow body guitars"; those things can tear your head off if you want to use them that way.
Gregorypeckory 2 years ago
If you crank a hollow body you have to contend with a ton of feedback. The exception is ES-335 type guitars and some semi-hollows! But even those can feedback as volume increases. Historically it was tough for jazz guitarists to whale like horn players could for this very reason. That's why traditional guitar jazz tended to be quieter. Shouldn't you be somewhere listening to another rendition of "Titties and Beer"?
osensei2987 2 years ago
Yes there is the feedback problem, but I think it has to get louder than most clubs would allow before that's a serious issue, unless you're right in front of a speaker. Titties and beer; great idea; oh, you mean the song; also a great idea! Thanks for the suggestion.
Gregorypeckory 2 years ago
"whale" LMAO!
TruthSurge 2 years ago
IMO most acoustic jazz bands play low because the acoustic bass is the lowest volumn instrument in the band.That's why the band plays quietly when the acoustic bass solos.
gebass6 2 years ago
"Chad Wackman ready to go. . . " lol.
kabustard 3 years ago
there are no ugly chords
janderson2000 3 years ago
this guy's sense of humour is like sarcasm taken to greater heights. It took me a while to realize it...and that made it better.
ricluvno304s 3 years ago
That was pretty funny, and a wry analysis, probably closer to the truth than it might seem. The end result though is that the runs he plays are actually pretty cool. If it sounds good, it must be music. Hehe.
PihaSandDunes 3 years ago
I love Holdsworth but this was still hilarious. Nice analysis.
bergerbrain 3 years ago 2
fransciscoau, this is brilliant.
I now play Stella by Starlight using the chords from Deep Purples "Smoke on the Water".
Silly rockers think I'm playing "smoke on the water"...lol.
guitarguy10000 3 years ago
Even your sense of humor is fusion based. One note above or behind a serious word. May your artform never be hindered by any bass player actually knowing what key you're playing in! I look forward to more wisdom, satire, and truth.
Sluwickie 3 years ago
go my friend ! it's a beautifull thing you are doing, more please !
Milos1999 3 years ago
brilliant...you've clearly learned fusion well, if only to poke fun of its proponents...! So what style do you prefer? And about stella--how important is the original intent of the songwriter? reinterpretations may not always be good, but without some new ideas music will become calcified. solidarity, man!
tapintoamerica 3 years ago
Beautiful playing and excellent advice on jazz. Will work on this.
chris69666 3 years ago
hes joking, this whole thing is a joke to make fun of jazz fusion, and hes correct
Lukeyboi14 3 years ago
He is using overdrive on his melody notes. The single note soloing. This , by default makes it Jazz Fusion in my book. Traditional jazz is always playeed with a clean tone. Asoon as you add fuzz/dist. you have added the rock element thus making it fusion. He is hilarious and has great points.
MuyGordito 3 years ago
Historically (since the 70s), "fusion" has always refered to "fusing" different genres with jazz (particularly rock, but also Indian and African styles, etc). If you solo in the style of Joe Pass, and add distortion, it would not be "jazz fusion". Weather Report had no guitar, and were one of the iconic fusion bands. What is "traditional jazz"? Listen to great horn players, like Bird, and you'll hear them using distortion (just not from a box). Fusion doesn't come out of a guitar pedal.
Gregorypeckory 2 years ago
very interesting,thanks!! Great playing too!!
Gradius143 3 years ago
Great playing.
mraggrovator 3 years ago
Affectionate ridicule, totally deserved. Funny guy.
screamingken 3 years ago 2
Would you agree that Alan Holdsworth is the genius responsible for the arrival of new melodies and guitar chords from other galaxies and dimensions that no mere mortal could comprehend. LOL you're really funny man, keep em coming.
02x9 3 years ago
With all due respect, Pat Martino and early George Benson are IT as far as jazz guitar tone goes. You're right about stacking fourths and fifths. He also does a lot of spread triads over bass notes other than their own.
Modes9 3 years ago
hah this is cool , defently know where ur comming from with allan chords , good stuff
SolBeing 3 years ago
novel idea aboutthe approach notes. but with out thuroughly examining all the triads and 7th chord arps built off each chord, the approach you are taking will begin to sound too oblique after a while. Unless of course thats what you like. A balance between chord tones and non chord tones is needed
yert2006 3 years ago
Hehehe
drfretboard 3 years ago
thanks for wasting 5:19 minutes of my time mate
countfelix 3 years ago
Oh, don't mention it, you are most welcome.
Cheers.
fransciscoau 3 years ago
Is that a noose in the background?
countfelix 3 years ago
you're the man! jezz you realy good ppl! ty vry much!
CarlosCepinha 3 years ago
Fair enough!
fransciscoau 3 years ago
tke it all bak, didnt watch the otha vids. im an idiot. thts an old tune. i play out derryl gabel tunes btw dude.
gunfart 3 years ago
Franciscoau keep posting these vids I haven't laughed so much for a long time!
marcusgael 3 years ago 2
Brilliant and hilarious! Thanks. Your "All the wrong notes" approach is not only edifying, but is exactly what Victor Young had in mind, or would have, if he'd known it. Or something.
spohdeeohdee 3 years ago
Whatever childhood accident that stretched your fingers beyond any semblance of normal human proportion seems to have had at least one beneficial effect. I'm sure there are others, but this is a family forum, so I will leave that as an exercise for the reader. "I'm deliberately playing any note that isn't a tonic note." You have just busted open the entire mystique of fusion playing. Like Moses with the Ten Commandments. We now know the Truth.
DelSpaarky 3 years ago 3
Franscis you old `vaginal opening`.!that was more like Allan clone type analysis..Iconoclasm is difficult i know..`kisses`
BongoMadness 3 years ago 2
Seriously, next time you have a jam with some jazz nazi's try some of these chords Bongo. Just watch the faces of everyone else as you start to play. It is like the "Emperors new clothes" story! This has to be done with a serious face when playing with unpleasant "elitist" types who have "studied jazz". Instead of stopping and asking you "Ah, what are you doing", they will not say a word. They will try and keep up and play along. Least they admit they do not know something!
fransciscoau 3 years ago
great, the Holdsworth guitar tone obviously the way jazz was intended to be played, LOL... keep them coming..
lauriemonk 3 years ago
this was very helpful!!,.Huge handS!!
Feesharp9er 3 years ago