Mr Kaul on India invasion of the Portuguese colony of Goa

[MegaBrijen]

@TheCruzerflash : I was goining through your argument i was appalled , by your separatist tendency.Is it any good to remind you ,the facts of history.I have so many examples to give from history.Have you heard of Ummayads Caliphates !!These Arabs/Moor conquerors were ruler of IBerian peninsula("Your" Portugal& Spain) till 1492.today arabs/moors come and tell you that we ruled for 500 years and hence it now belongs to us and not to Celts who were first settlers and still the native people!

[Anotherkashmiri]

HANDSOME, INTELLIGENT and ARTICULATE....All the traits of a Kashmiri Brahmin Pundit:) Try comparing Mr. Kaul with these ugly, uneducated, corrupt fuckers like the present day Indian politicians....lol

[Rotebuehl1]

Fantastic demagoguery! That's how politics are implemented! Kaul, a liar and a genious politician! Great!

[qwerty51899]

"Portugal lives in middle ages"..I like this statement..too good:)

[Rotebuehl1]

@qwerty51899 Perfect demagogy! That's how things are done! Fantastic! A loose assertion, nothing else! But very effective...

[qwerty51899]

@Rotebuehl1 Glad you liked it.

[Rotebuehl1]

@qwerty51899 It's impressive! The power of rhetorics! All he said was fallacious, all he suggested was mere pretension! But beautifully put and what an eloquence and class! That's how one makes black look white with cheekbones to die for...hahaha

[qwerty51899]

@Rotebuehl1 Bro...He was just referring to portugal's adamant nature not to let go of it's colonies, inspite of all the european powers abdicating the same. Hence he said the statement. I do not think he commented on the whole race of portuguese or the entire nation of portugal. THe remark is just limited to that moment of time and not valid now.

[Rotebuehl1]

@qwerty51899 Ha, that's right! The Republic of India insisted in seeing Goa, Daman and Diu as "colonies" of Portugal, whilst Portugal and the Goese, Damanese and "Diuans" saw the territories as singularly indo-portuguese! By the way, the U.N. saw Portuguese India distinct from "Bharat" too! In Africa that's a different case! Regardles, whether Portugal or India were right or wrong, I just admire his presumptuousness disguised as logic, congruity and moral truth! Brilliant

[luso2kx]

@qwerty51899 It was a question of context and point of views. The Portuguese government, around that time or maybe earlier, changed the official title of these regions from "colonies" to "overseas provinces". That essentially meant, from a legal standpoint, that those regions were part of Portugal and those residing in said regions were Portuguese citizens. The Portuguese government viewed this comparatively as if, say, the US were obliged to give Hawaii independence.

[tirikamtel]

History does not forget the acts of Timoja who went to seek the Portuguese to repel the Muslims who were ruling over Goa. In 1954 india robbed Dadra and Nagar Haveli. In 1961 they robbed Goa and the rest. At the time of the invasion india was a poor country faced with famine at various quarters. The invasion not only helped them to bolster their foreign exchange via the sale of iron ore, they also brought in hippie drug tourism into Goa again to get the vital FE to pay their overseas bills.

[tirikamtel]

Azad Gomantak Dal a terrorist group created by india, attacked Goa and Goans constantly. This bloody indian is a liar. If he was alive today Goans would have skinned him

[tirikamtel]

Kaul bhanchoot liar. india was created by britain. india should liberate pakistan, sri lanka, nepal etc.

Kaul bhanchoot liar. Get out of Goa

[clifftonlondon]

Goa was never a part of India... India has destroyed our existance... We were always Portuguese and always will be.. Forca Portugal

[aqoaq]

@clifftonlondon chutiye bun pau wale feni pi aur so ja

[clifftonlondon]

@aqoaq v r honest not like you'll.. corrupts, fenatics

[aqoaq]

@clifftonlondon so u didnt u took the offer of citizenship of portugal and moved there?

[TheCruzerflash]

@aqoaq dude, no offense but clifftonlondon is speaking the truth when he says we were part of Portugal, and will always be.

We were part of Portugal for more than 500 years, and have been less than a century part of India.

India, invaded us, corrupted our politics, weakened our borders from savages, like you, who rape our women, and litter our streets and beautiful beaches.

Y'all embarrass us, by making bias and stereotypical movies about us.

You guys are holding us back.

VIVA LA GOA!

[MrGhenchus]

@TheCruzerflash -- GO fuck a goat you portugal pig.

[TheCruzerflash]

@MrGhenchus I'm a proud Goan Portuguese, you're just are proving what kind of people y'all are by spreading profanity. Not helping your case. Next time try starting an argument with an actual excuse, pathetic... really sad

[MrGhenchus]

@TheCruzerflash -- You are traitor to India. The land belong to Ancient India and is still in India. You are pathetic confused person who needs to look at the matter form a broader perspective.

[TheCruzerflash]

@MrGhenchus Dude, how would you feel if someone came to your house, shoot your parents, and live in the same house with you, only making your life more miserable. Same concept here.

Unlike the Britishers, who treated India ruthlessly, the Portuguese actually cared. They gave us govt, gave us an education, thought us to live lives like good civilians, not savages.

After the invasion, everything went bad; our govt was corrupted, our borders were weakened, our streets being little by "non-Goans".

[MrGhenchus]

@TheCruzerflash -- That's exactly the Portuguese did to the native Indians when they captured Goa. They destroyed the native culture of the land. So grow up and stop spreading hatred and learn to live like a Indian. If you cant you can take your sorry ass out of India into Portugal.

[TheCruzerflash]

@MrGhenchus what hatred are you speaking of?! I'm not spreading hatred. I love India, and love Indians, but I have to agree with the majority of my fellow-Goans, when I say, both of the lives of Goans and Indians would be better off, if we lived as neighbors, not as a nation; that too, good neighbors, unlike the India-Pakistan relationship.

[MrGhenchus]

@TheCruzerflash -- You are contradicing yourself my friend. you are confused. People like you put in seeds of divide and rule amongst people. Infact you are dangerous person for our country.

[TheCruzerflash]

@MrGhenchus Dude for all I care, I'm just giving my opinion. If you think I'm wrong, so be it, I don't care, I'm still entitled to my opinion, and am gonna speak of what I think is right, and what I think is wrong.

Calling me confused, is your opinion, I'm not gonna call you confused, I'm not gonna call you a stereotypical dumbass; you too, like me, are entitled to speak out, but unlike you who's giving biased statements about things you don't know, I'm actually giving inarguable facts!

[MrGhenchus]

@TheCruzerflash -- Enjoy your freedom in independent India my friend. I guess you like being slave for the Portuguese.

[TheCruzerflash]

@MrGhenchus What the heck are you talking about?! You obviously don't have any knowledge about our history, if you do, they're probably biased and false.

Did you know there was slavery and inquisitions in India, way back before the Europeans came?! If the Portuguese did do something about the slavery, the probably got rid of it.

Learn your history before making nonsense statements!

[MrGhenchus]

@TheCruzerflash -- Stop licking Portuguese balls and try to be an Indian. But you are unable to do so relocate to Portugal.

[TheCruzerflash]

@MrGhenchus Dude I am living in Portugal; Goa, Portugal. You might try to argue, but the fact is no one's listening to you! You've proved one too many times that you've got zero knowledge about us.

I'm not implying in any way that I hate India, I just hate people like you, who refuse to accept the truth!

Dude seriously! grow up!!! You're bringing a bad name to your nation, with your lack of knowledge.

[MrGhenchus]

@TheCruzerflash -- Dude, stop being a Asshole and also stop acting like a demented fella. The truth you should accept is the history of Goa goes beyond Portugal occupation. It goes back to thousands of years. It was and it will always be a part of India and its age old rich culture. Portuguese era was just a passover. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[SiriGates]

@MrGhenchus I really feel bad for you, not only are you arguments false, they're sad and pathetic. India hasn't even been a country for a thousand years, it's just been a region on a map.

The Portuguese colonized in Goa, way before India was a country, and the Goans wanted the Portuguese for their protection.

Goa was part of Portugal for more than 4 centuries!! Goa become an Indian state in 1987.

Seriously dude you're embarrassing yourself and your nation.

p.s learn the meaning of demented!!!

[MrGhenchus]

@SiriGates -- I am using the correct word for the correct person. So you are demented, confused individual. You need help. Seriously! get help. I am all for my nation which is India. You are confused on which nation you belong to. You stay in India and talk of Portugal. Grow up, stop being a slave of Portuguese.

[tirikamtel]

@MrGhenchus You have no nation. What you have is something put together by the british. Goa was forcibly taken over to save yoursevles from poverty. See the amount of ghantis thronging into Goa everyday.

[MrGhenchus]

@tirikamtel -- Hahahaha! you just proved yourself to be demented again. Stop spreading hatred asshole. Idiot! Go get yourself treated in portugal.

[tirikamtel]

@MrGhenchus Come with argments and not abuse.

[SiriGates]

@MrGhenchus Dude you're hilarious, I can't help myself from laughing. You're a joke! Seriously, don't you have any dignity, whatsoever!?

You display textbook dementia!! I seriously wouldn't be surprised if you were a schizo!

You bring a bad name to Indians everywhere! Be careful dude, no Indian would consider calling a hypocrite like you, one of them.

Next time you want to bad-mouth someone, come up with a better argument.

[TheCruzerflash]

@MrGhenchus It's just sad that you can't accept the truth, even with all these unarguable facts!!! You're either brainwashed by some biased textbooks, or you're either what some might call a "scumbag"!!!

You've got no class whatsoever, and judging from reading you're comments from your channel, the only thing you find joy, in doing on the web is bashing, and spreading hatred between people.

People like you, wherever y'all may be, bring shame to yourselves and to your nation.

[tirikamtel]

@MrGhenchus For broader perspective go and invade Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Nepal etc.

Get out of Goa.

[MrGhenchus]

@tirikamtel -- This proves you are demented.

[zobielamouche1]

@TheCruzerflash do you know the "stockholm-syndrome"?

[TheCruzerflash]

@zobielamouche1 yes I actually am very familar with the stockholm theory, and if you're implying that I've got this problem, you're dead wrong.

Goans wanted Portuguese protection from the Muslims(specifically the Arabs), therefore we're truly grateful, or else the whole southern-India would be a Muslim territory. We've got actual reasons for defending our forefathers, if that's wrong, I don't know what's right.

[zobielamouche1]

@TheCruzerflash so the portuguese had no self-interest, only wanted to protect you....but the main thing is that you attack india, portraying them as savage, corrupt, dirty and don't appreciate that they protect goa and rather dissociate yourself from them. it reminds me on eritrea which was colonized by italy - that's the only thing that differs the tigre there from the tigre in the other ethiopia. they too were brainwashed by their colonial masters

[TheCruzerflash]

@zobielamouche1 what the heck would you do if someone invaded your country?? Call them heroes?!?!

I hope you do understand that when the Portuguese colonized Goa, it wasn't even part of India?! Technically, being in the same geographical region as another "bigger" region, doesn't mean that you belong to that region.

Goa was part of Portugal for almost 5 centuries, and not even a half with India. Ask a true Goan, if they like being invaded. Nobody does.

[zobielamouche1]

@TheCruzerflash when the portuguese colonized goa, it was part of what? and the portuguese did NOT take possession of goa by invading it, did they?? and what now, restore the portuguese colonial empire???

[TheCruzerflash]

@zobielamouche1 to be honest it wasn't part of anything, like I said earlier, the Goans "wanted" by "their will" for the Portuguese to stay, they wanted their protection. How much more should I stress it for you?!

[zobielamouche1]

@TheCruzerflash there wasn't an india at all at this time. india was founded in 1947 from territories which were under (mainly british) colonial rule or semi-independent. and are you sure you are entitled to speak for all goans when you say they wanted to remain a portuguese colony?

[TheCruzerflash]

@zobielamouche1 what r u talking about? I know India was founded till 1947, they Invaded Goa in '54. Why?! you might ask. Because there was little we could, we were cornered by India in all 3 corners, our armed forces were smaller in population, and mainly because they just attacked with no warning. Seriously, they make a decision to separate Muslims from India, by making Pakistan, but couldn't spare a little land for the Christians by leaving us alone!

Im not speaking 4 all, just 4 d majority

[zobielamouche1]

@TheCruzerflash "your" armed forces? so the portuguese pulled up goa-indians to their defence? well, i doubt if you speak for the majority with your colonial mind. goa is not a land "for the christians", the overwhelming majority is hinduistic; and the ppl share also the language (kokani) with the other indians. both the religion and the languag(es) are much older than what the portuguese brought..india didn't attack goa, they just finished colonial rule. btw i appreciate the portuguese.

[TheCruzerflash]

@zobielamouche1 well, in d last 50 years, there has been an increase in "immigration" from our border sharing states, & a vast amount of Goans went 4 refuge 2 Portugal, w/ d Portuguese. D language "Konkani" & Portuguese is mostly spoken in d state of Goa, there r a numerous dialects 4 Konkani, some our so different that u'd have to call them a different language; implying that it was d same back 500 years ago, is crazy!

Colonial rule?! the whole world was turning Democratic, in the 20th century.

[qwerty51899]

@TheCruzerflash Before that Goa has been part of india for 1000's of years. And why was the indian army welcomed into goa by civilians?

[TheCruzerflash]

@qwerty51899 Geographically it's been a part of our planet earth for millions of years, India became "India" on August 15 1947; and they weren't welcomed, they invaded Goa in 1961, made Goa a state in 1987, so to answer your statement, Goa hasn't even part of India for half a century.

[qwerty51899]

@TheCruzerflash If that's so, where is armed opposition to Indian rule there?Any freedom fighters rising up against Indian "tyranny"? Now, give me an answer with the ground picture as a reference and the dreams conjured up by the condescending catholic church.

[TheCruzerflash]

If u want to know, than so be it, Goa was invaded by India, w/out any warning whatsoever; Goa's population's a little over India's Military force, even if v wanted 2 separate w/ a peaceful treaty v'd b denied, if v wanted 2 separate by our will, as in fight 2 get our freedoms, we would loose statistically anyways. There have been numerous conflicts b/w d Goans & d Indian Govt, some bout drugs, politics, & even bout our lang. I wud muchly appreciate if v kept religions out of this, not worth it.

[benhadar]

@TheCruzerflash It's Viva Goa my dear friend! Viva la Goa is Spanish but I like your comment ;-)

[aqoaq]

@clifftonlondon chutiye look at portugal now and where india is

[MrGhenchus]

@clifftonlondon == Fukka Portugal!!!!

[Drzhivago11]

Plain Bureaucratic doublespeak by Mr. Kaul.