@papashake yes, and well past it... obviously most of us do not close our eyes, shake like crazy... and piss our pants as we pull the trigger.... In fact, this is the favored weapon of my 12 year old daughter. If you wish, I can have her give you some pointers.
@mixflip I love how you played off not knowing where the mag release was... haha. No worries, I did the same thing the first time I picked one up at a show.
@TheCaptonZ "there are junk" Is English your second language?... From your site it might be... I own two... and I once thought that might have been true. And I bought them just because I like guns and they were sort of cool. But every time I have pulled the trigger, a bullet came out- just where I aimed it. You can't ask for more than that.
@milkbig550 10 rounds is the maximum capacity in many states, and usually 22 mags are single stacked. A single stacked 20-30 round mag would be very long. Many companies avoid double stacking rimfire rounds as it makes feeding the rounds very difficult and causes the gun to be jam-prone. The PMR mags are very well designed and built and don't seem to exhibit these issues though,
@milkbig550 It has a lot to do with making a gun sale worthy in all states. Also, the shape of the 22 bullet does not lend itself nicely to being double stacked and such. Take note of the shape of most centerfire cartridges as opposed to the rinmfire ones. The lip at the back of a 22 bullet nearly mandates single stacking rounds for the sake of reliable round stripping by a moving bolt.
the design of the rimfire cartridge makes the geometry complicated for higher magazine capacities. it is difficult to fit 30 rounds of .22 rimfire ammo into one magazine and make it feed correctly.
Kel tec pistols are not the problem. The problem is stupid people who buy small pistols 380's micro 9mm"s and run cheap under powered ammo through them. The small pistols must have quality ammo. Glocks can handle any ammo but most pistols require quality ammo (including 1000 dolllar 1911's)
@milkbig550 The 22lr has a short length and a relatively large rim. They don't stack up very nicely. Doublestack 22lrs don't usually feed well (or sometimes at all), and single stack magazines need to be dramatically curved if they're much beyond 10 rounds.
For evidence, look @10/22 magazines. The double-stack magazines (Ramline, Shooter's Ridge) get bad reviews for poor feeding. They often fail to feed rounds to the magazine lips, much less the chamber. Look @ the single stack mags: curved.
Lot's of people have had no problems with their Kel Tec's. Myself included with a 9mm P-11. Not so much as a single stovepipe, FTF or FTE over well in excess of 1000 rounds.
@milkbig550 one reason is that it's a rimfire cartridge and as such, has a foot that extends beyond the width of the cartridge body. this requires that they stack on an arc, which isn't convenient for most semi-auto designs.
@mixflip Yeah, it's generally so that they don't have to create multiple magazines and pay multiple fees for approval in various states. California (my state), land of the tards, dictates that 10 rounds is enough.
@papashake yes, and well past it... obviously most of us do not close our eyes, shake like crazy... and piss our pants as we pull the trigger.... In fact, this is the favored weapon of my 12 year old daughter. If you wish, I can have her give you some pointers.
wesbilly 1 week ago
shoots like a shot gun .....spray and pray!!!!
papashake 1 week ago
★★★★★
MadBadVoodo 2 weeks ago
I like the look of it make in 9mm plz.
EPR1FILMS 2 weeks ago
@EPR1FILMS Yeah they would sell this thing like crazy if they had them in 9mm.
mixflip 2 weeks ago
@mixflip I love how you played off not knowing where the mag release was... haha. No worries, I did the same thing the first time I picked one up at a show.
SirJosephOxford 3 weeks ago
@SirJosephOxford Lol, yeah as soon as I didnt feel a mag release was I just moved on. I hate European style mag releases.
mixflip 3 weeks ago
that's a nice gun
GwoodBloodz 1 month ago
I wish they would make a .22lr version that was even cheaper to shoot.
Saltycrabs 2 months ago
I hate Kelt tec there are junk.
TheCaptonZ 3 months ago
@TheCaptonZ "there are junk" Is English your second language?... From your site it might be... I own two... and I once thought that might have been true. And I bought them just because I like guns and they were sort of cool. But every time I have pulled the trigger, a bullet came out- just where I aimed it. You can't ask for more than that.
wesbilly 2 months ago
@wesbilly ya up to 15 feet!!!!!!!
papashake 1 week ago
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GzusIsAwesome 3 months ago
arent alot of handguns very light without the magazine
bohemia187 3 months ago
is that a compensator or flash hider on the front and who makes it
Ghost096 3 months ago
@Ghost096 It looks like a comp. I am guessing KelTec makes it.
mixflip 3 months ago
@mixflip i don't think its a compensator... it's a .22 mag.
GzusIsAwesome 3 months ago
@GzusIsAwesome Well the only other options are a flash hider, a muzzle break, thread protector or barrel extension???
mixflip 3 months ago
It looks like shit though. I mean really. Fans of this, that's cool. Looks are important to me. & this thing just looks generic.
Friedstuffsable 4 months ago
@milkbig550 10 rounds is the maximum capacity in many states, and usually 22 mags are single stacked. A single stacked 20-30 round mag would be very long. Many companies avoid double stacking rimfire rounds as it makes feeding the rounds very difficult and causes the gun to be jam-prone. The PMR mags are very well designed and built and don't seem to exhibit these issues though,
jpap967 4 months ago
Makes more sense that a 5.56 PLR.
jamesdewer 4 months ago
awesome gun-- too bad there's none for sale
andyb797 6 months ago
Good looking gun, threaded barrell suits it well.
gorilla82 7 months ago
that barrel is crazy
squarehead444 7 months ago
@milkbig550 It has a lot to do with making a gun sale worthy in all states. Also, the shape of the 22 bullet does not lend itself nicely to being double stacked and such. Take note of the shape of most centerfire cartridges as opposed to the rinmfire ones. The lip at the back of a 22 bullet nearly mandates single stacking rounds for the sake of reliable round stripping by a moving bolt.
werminator 7 months ago
@milkbig550
the design of the rimfire cartridge makes the geometry complicated for higher magazine capacities. it is difficult to fit 30 rounds of .22 rimfire ammo into one magazine and make it feed correctly.
ron3901 9 months ago
Kel tec pistols are not the problem. The problem is stupid people who buy small pistols 380's micro 9mm"s and run cheap under powered ammo through them. The small pistols must have quality ammo. Glocks can handle any ammo but most pistols require quality ammo (including 1000 dolllar 1911's)
valdostastate77 11 months ago
@milkbig550 The 22lr has a short length and a relatively large rim. They don't stack up very nicely. Doublestack 22lrs don't usually feed well (or sometimes at all), and single stack magazines need to be dramatically curved if they're much beyond 10 rounds.
For evidence, look @10/22 magazines. The double-stack magazines (Ramline, Shooter's Ridge) get bad reviews for poor feeding. They often fail to feed rounds to the magazine lips, much less the chamber. Look @ the single stack mags: curved.
cymond 1 year ago
To bad it's made by kel jam!!!
KneedlezKane 1 year ago
@KneedlezKane
Lot's of people have had no problems with their Kel Tec's. Myself included with a 9mm P-11. Not so much as a single stovepipe, FTF or FTE over well in excess of 1000 rounds.
no1warhawkfan 1 year ago
@milkbig550 one reason is that it's a rimfire cartridge and as such, has a foot that extends beyond the width of the cartridge body. this requires that they stack on an arc, which isn't convenient for most semi-auto designs.
MCubicle 1 year ago
@milkbig550 I have no idea? May so their product can be sold in all 50 states?
mixflip 1 year ago 4
@mixflip Yeah, it's generally so that they don't have to create multiple magazines and pay multiple fees for approval in various states. California (my state), land of the tards, dictates that 10 rounds is enough.
jester188 2 months ago
I want this and their new shotty! :-)
eje1079 1 year ago