Why is the Hapkido black belt wearing padded footies??? I used to wear those when I was a lowly white/yellow belt in TKD but NONE of the black belts EVER wore those. Sure this guy was a bb?
An error a lot of traditional martial artists make is that they assume every other school out there uses the same training methods they do. In reality, training methods can vary widely in Taekwondo and Hapkido schools.
If I could only take up 1 style for self-defense,should I choose BJJ or Judo?
Slamming an enemy's head on the concrete/cement floor(like this: watch?v=fCHoIFHiq1o)seems like a very quick and effective way of ending a fight(Judo throws also work on bigger foes I believe)
Judo has ground-game too as far as I know(not BJJ-level but its still there)
I'm asking bec I'll be taking BJJ soon but there's Judo available too and I'm thinking about which one to take first,they both look fun to do.
Hmmm....thats a hard choice to be honest. I havent tried judo so I cant really say but I LOVE judo from what Ive seen and would really like to learn it myself.
I think the best thing to do is do a lot of research of both arts yourself and maybe try both art for a while before deciding which one.
I would recommend Jeet Kune Do but not many good schools are around. I say that because it is the original MMA. JKD REQUIRES you study Judo and BJJ which you already mentioned along with many other styles. It's kind of a graduate school for martial artist. The other arts incorporated are Muay Thai, Kali/Escrima, Silat, Karate-Kempo, Wing Chun just to name a few. It takes a while to become a certified instructor, sometimes 20 years but it covers all ranges of combat.
as far as I know,JKD is pretty much Bruce Lee's own MMA style(altho its really more of a philosophy,rather than a style. the entire idea of MMA is pretty much JKD)
anyway,JKD sounds good but according to you,it seems that JKD has too many Mcdojo's flying around to be reliable(Like Karate,and several TMA's)
but will a legit JKD fighter do well against someone who has cross-trained Muay Thai/Boxing and Judo/BJJ in unarmed combat? I plan to train Boxing/MT for my striking.
Yes most people including UFC guys and Dana White proclaim Bruce Lee as the father of all MMA. I don't think any JKD McDojo's exist. They are sparse and difficult to find. I think in the US there is maybe 30 full certified instructors in JKD most under Dan Inosanto and Richard Bustillo (Lee's two best friends). As for is it legit. The top UFC trainers are mostly boxing and MMA trainers. Erik Paulson, Daniel Sullivan, Frank Shamrock, Burton Richardson, Dan Inosanto, etc.
I see,that sounds great. 1 more thing I'd like to ask about it is does JKD teach effective self-defense against weapons and multiple foes? I know that there are no guarantees in both situations but of course,good training is better than no/crap training. there is a YT vid of Inosanto talking about Knife vs Gun(watch?v=9igSoJHEdUo)
I assume its part of the JKD training.
I ask bec I thought of taking Krav Maga,but I'm skeptical about that art,JKD might be the better art.
One the main arts that you are taught is Kali/Escrima which is arguably the most effective stick and knife fight art ever created. It is battle proven and used my virtually every special forces (Seals, SEK, etc.) in the world. It's mostly stick and knife disarms and they also cover Aikido's disarming techniques which is the most widely practiced martial art in law enforcment in the USA, Japan, UK, and Australia. However, Krav Maga is a very good system of self defense.
I think it depends more on what JKD and Krav Maga teacher you would be training under. Do you know their names? The previous arts you mentioned BJJ and Judo do not teach any weapons and do very few disarms compared to Kali/Escrima and Aikido.
I haven't searched for any Krav Maga or JKD school yet,but I do plan to in the future.
Yes,I know Judo/BJJ or boxing/MT aren't designed for armed opponents(hence why I asked if JKD was)but its good to know how to fight hand-to-hand,and self-defense isn't the only reason I wanna take up martial arts,I have gotten interested in them so I wanna take them up for fun/sport too. since BJJ is available to me atm,that's the perfect opportunity for me to try it out.
Try it out just make sure the instructor is qualified. BJJ has more McDojo's than any other art than maybe Tae Kwon Do now. If he is not at least a black belt find another school, lots of blue and purple belts running BJJ schools these days. Preferably find a Gracie Humatia school, they focus more on self defense then just sport fighting.
Inosanto and Bustillo have progressesd JKD way past Bruce Lee's JKD. Today Inosanto/Bustillo have certain requirements to be a full certified instructor in JKD. You must be at a black belt level or equivalent in Muay Thai, FMA, Wing Chun, Boxing, Silat, and a few years ago a Brown Belt in BJJ. It changes every few years. The last being the BJJ part which I am now a Purple Belt and going to test for Brown this summer under Carlos Machado. Just fine the best school in your area
I find it extremely stupid and disrespectful when I hear so called JKD fans call Dan Inosantos JKD teaching as not real JKD because its different to what Bruce Lee's JKD was. Those people completely fail to understand Bruce Lee's art is designed to be different for everyone and to evolve/adapt with the times.
Well said. Inosanto did exactly what Lee had hoped. He wanted them to further develop and refine his JKD. It was his dying wish. I don't think you can find a more comprehensive school than the Inosanto Academy or the IMB Academy. These guys have sought out the top instructors in virtually every style of martial art and have them teaching at their school.There is a reason why both are the most sought after instructors in the world and probably the highest paid. Thanks for the reply.
@superanimegamer44 I have done both more so jiu jitsu and i just feel that until you get really good at judo you put your back in jeopardy if you dont execute a throw right.
truth be told, there are some rock hard judo guys who can tap out BJJ guys, and there are BJJ guys who can tap out judo guys. Individual>training method> style
Judo is often cheaper. I prefer BJJ but I have a heathy respect for Judo.
depends on what you're doing....I used to do both at the same but the judo classes at the gym were cancelled. Judo is good at working at drills to sweep and do take downs. This trains you more on getting the fight to the ground on your terms which can save energy and give you the dominant position which is everything in bjj. BJJ focus on the ground game gives you the chance to turn the fight at the last moment. There is normally a chance to escape given certain terms.
"many martial arts experts do not practice or teach their students how to defend themselves under realistic conditions" Realistic like usually people are with other people and while you're busy looking for a sub on dude you're fighting his friend is running in for the feild goal kick to your dome. BJJ is great 1v1 but loses a shit ton of effectiveness when there are other people present.
Face the facts. If you're fighting more than 1 fighter, you're at disadvantage regardless of what style you practice. Of course, getting your opponent to the ground with multiple opponents present is the worst thing to do. However, intelligent opponents will get you to the ground. BJJ is then advantageous.
While I fought off two opponents in the street one time using my Muay Thai, they were inexperienced brawlers where any effective style would've done the job.
Im guessing the so called russian judo expert was trained in a sport variation of judo witch focuses only on the throws. Someone who practiced actual combat judo would have done much better on the ground.
@SkemeKOS As someone who practices judo, I can say the judo expert was clearly trained for the competitive sport type of judo. Due to judo's sport rules involving avoiding lying on the back, that instinct kicked in. Note he immediately turned to his back and turtled. Self defence judo (e.g. pre-1950's) does not do this.
Well JKD is designed for the street so it includes all ranges of fighting. So yeah, I think its really efficient from what I know. I love JKD. Its a very complete way of fighting and was way ahead of its time and continues to stay up to date as intended by Bruce Lee.
bitting seriously what are you a mut if you are being triangle choked you cant bite their legs are around your neck not face and if you are being armbarred ok bite me i get a nasty flesh wound you get a broken arm or severed bicep who wins that one if you doubt bjj go to the gracie school and challenge someone they are always looking for fresh necks to choke and arms or legs to break theyve used up all the idiots in Rio so help them out get the shit choked out of yourself
bitting seriously what are you a mut if you are being triangle choked you cant bite their legs are around your neck not face and if you are being armbarred ok bite me i get a nasty flesh wound you get a broken arm or severed bicep who wins that one if you doubt bjj go to the gracie school and challenge someone they are always looking for fresh necks to choke and arms or legs to break theyve used up all the idiots in Rio so help them out get the shit choked out of yourself
bitting seriously what are you a mut if you are being triangle choked you cant bite their legs are around your neck not face and if you are being armbarred ok bite me i get a nasty flesh wound you get a broken arm or severed bicep who wins that one if you doubt bjj go to the gracie school and challenge someone they are always looking for fresh necks to choke and arms or legs to break theyve used up all the idiots in Rio so help them out get the shit choked out of yourself
HAHAHAHAHAHA, no doubt that BJJ is one of most effective styles out there for ground game. But undefeated for 65 years? Maybe you should look up Masahiko Kimura vs Helio Gracie and see what happened. =)
Btw, Helio Gracie is the co founder of BJJ and he is the grandmaster of BJJ.
@SkemeKOS Not gonna debate with ya because we're on a same page and we both agree to the fact that BJJ is the most effective style for ground game that's heavily used by many fighters. It just caught my attention when this video stated that this system has been undefeated for 65 years. But at the end, whether Kimura proved it wrong, both Gracie Jiujitsu and Judo are from the same offspring of Jiujitsu via Kodokan Judo. I guess they meant it against systems not related to kodokan judo.
@SkemeKOS Oh dude, I just researched the facts again. You're right. Kimura stated that whatever the result was, if anyone can survive a fight against him for over 3 minutes, then that person will be declared a winner regardless of what the end result was. Helio and Kimura fought for THIRTEEN MINUTES. It's the amount of time of THIS VIDEO into ONE MATCH. I guess you proved me wrong. So indeed, Gracie remains undefeated then during this time when this video was created.
@EdDy4RheelZ Bjj is actually just watered down judo, by watered down I mean he took out alot of the throws were taken out. this came to be because helio gracie took judo but was to weak to do some of the throws due to his small size. so he just kept the ground work and did away with most of the throws basically reverting it back to traditional jujutsu.
@HylianWarrior64 BJJ is actually a synthesized version of judo + jiujitsu. It has done extensive amount of reserach to learn any effective elements and styles possible while simulating the realistic aspect of fighting anywhere. BJJ respects their roots and even credits Kimura for his victory over Helio Gracie, hence, even using his name as a term for a reverse arm lock. BJJ is about effective, not about how original, traditional, or stylish the art is.
@EdDy4RheelZ I am aware of this lol, but what I was going at was than many people think the gracie family invented jujitsu witch is horribly wrong. But the gracie's are very good fighters and I have a lot of respect for them but at the end of the day BJJ is a sport variation of traditional japanese jujutsu witch was meant for killing. BJJ is good for a ring sport and its techniques can be applied in a street fight the same as wrestling techniques can. But jujustsu is best for self defense.
BJJ has turned into a sport variation of Gracie Jiu Jitsu(GJJ) but even the sports Jiu Jitsu will kill
I dont think anyone in the world think the Gracies invented jujitsu LOL
Ive not once heard anyone claim that they thought the Gracies invented jujitsu. The Gracies themselves have made it perfectly clear, many, many times that their GJJ comes from a japanese guy. They just took a few moves out and refined the set ups and such to be more applicable etc etc etc
He didnt find it easy to beat Royce because that fight went on for AAAAGES. In their rematch he didnt find it easy too...because he lost. He also didnt find it easy when fighting Ralek Gracie too...because he lost. Ralek made it look easy to beat Sakuraba.
But Sakuraba is still an INCREDIBLE fighter at the end of the day and a legend.
i agree with skemekos!yea!here some realistic vid /watch?v=cTKBRCXKIAU&list=FLr56kOqWXmcLjCJkDBRNc6Q&index=2&feature=plpp_video I think most intelligent people require proof before we believe in something. !and i also agree with skemeko that This Jiu jitsu guy is a real life known martial artist!1 of the best of gracies...Royce Gracie!!! but w8 who are his opponents?hm....some random unkown ppl i guess....
@SkemeKOS BJJ is practical to a certain extent, just as biting is practical to a certain extent. You don't want to get close because there's always a possibility of a weapon or multiple attack. If you're a JKD person then you've probably heard of Kina Mutai which is a way of using biting in a close quarters fight. The idea isn't to just bite, it's to bite and latch onto to person so he cannot shake you loose. That requires some know how of where to be on the ground as well.
@jamespohh "BJJ is practical to a certain extent, just as biting is practical to a certain extent."
Thats the point Im making. And no, Ive never heard of Kina Mutai. All I will say is that biting is nowhere near as effective as a counter to grapplers as many people think.
If someone bites me, I wont shake them off, I will gouge out there eyes with my thumbs and bite them back.
@SkemeKOS You should look up Kina Mutai. It's not just biting, it's knowing how and where to bite on the body, how long to bite, what type of bite etc to create openings and opportunities. And yes the person would also be familiar with the ground and with all different positions to where he can bite with impunity. You won't be biting back or trying to gouge because it'd be tough to get to him. Even you aren't the exception when it comes to biting back against a knowledgeable person
@SkemeKOS Biting is practical enough to where a vicious dog can maul you to pieces. If you can prevail in that sort of attack, then I can safely say you are right. I don't think you can, at least without sustaining serious injury. So don't dismiss biting as a tactic. It's a crude tactic but it has its merits.
A dog is a MILLION times more effective at biting than humans. Not even Bruce Lee could survive a vicious dog attack....but Im sure he could EASILY survive some idiot trying to bite him.
Im not dismissing biting. I dont dismiss ANY techniques. Im just saying its much, much, MUCH harder than people think to stop a grappler with bites.
@SkemeKOS Effective is relative and is dependent on how you look at it. Any form of biting holds the potential to do great damage once teeth latch onto you and refuses to let go. Human bites are much worse due to the pain factor and potential for infection. Of course biting is not advised in this day and age where disease is rampant but it's a last resort.
@SkemeKOS it's not a stupid thing to say! Look at the Krav Maga episode of Fight Quest! Stay on your feet or you're done in a street fight! BJJ would be a "just in case" option after Karate or Silat!
"Stay on your feet or you're done in a street fight!"
Which is why BJJ is so effective.
And it IS a stupid thing to say. In fact is a very stupid thing to say because all techniques are practical at certain points in a fight.
BJJ is not a "just in case option at all"
Do you expect police and doormen etc etc to stand and fight with criminals? No, they tackle them down to the ground where they are no longer a threat.
Actually this is why you shouldn't use it! Do you know how many friends that guy has around him that you don't see?
BJJ is a "just in case" option!
If you didn't know this is one of the reasons that the police always ask for back up and wait (doesn't matter if something happens to you in the mean time)! Also being bitten while using BJJ is posible! BJJ is something that you don't want to use in a real life situation. Think that BJJ was developed in Vale Tudo fights!
If he has friends then yeah, there is nothing else to do but run. So lets all forget martial arts and all become sprinters!!! BJJ is NOT a "just in case" option for me and it isnt for police either.
Police do not always wait for back up before jumping on the guy. The usually do it straight away.
Being bitten is possible but theres going to be little time for you to bite. And even if you do, you better prepare to be seriously hurt yourself.
@SkemeKOS BJJ is a "just in case" option! If the guy has friends you can run but if you are on your feet you can start faster! Also if you don't have where to run then you can defend yourself better if you are on your feet! The Police use it because they rely on numbers! In other words one foes one on one and the other covers his back! You are not the police to have back up! If you are bitten you will be taken by surprise and that is all the guy needs to get out!
BJJ might be a "just in case" option for you, but its not for me and a lot of other people so stop saying it. If the guy has friends, you run straight away. If he has friends, you dont try doing Kung fu or BJJ, you run. Simple as that.
Who said I wont have back up like the police??? And even if Im on my own, it only takes myself to take someone down and have full control of them. I will NOT be taken by surprise if Im bitten because I train with it in mind ALL the time.
@SkemeKOS If it isn't a "just in case" option for you run like hell every time someone attacks you! You don't always know if he has or doesn't have friends! If you realize that you are in a worse situation than you thought you have a problem if you are not on your feet!
If you have back up you won't have a problem if you have hand to hand combat training but if you don't and you are using BJJ you're in trouble!
Same to you. If your stand up fighting isnt a "just in case" option then run like hell because you dont know if he has friends with him at the time, or coming while youre fighting, you dont know if they have guns, knives and bats etc etc so just run straight away. Like I said before, we should all just forget about martial arts and train to be sprinters instead!
Youre obviously just a BJJ hater so Im gonna ban you from commenting on this video LOL
@SkemeKOS Also getting bitten is possible when using BJJ! It also hurts and all you need is a second to escape! Don't forget that while you are fighting on the ground some amigos might be coming to save the guy! BJJ is somthing you shouldn't use!
OK, so Im in mount and you bite me. Where? Whats gonna stop me from gouging your eyes out? Crushing your balls? How are you gonna escape? If you know the legit mount escapes then you MIGHT be OK but then biting wasnt called for anyway. Just use the legit escape. If you bite me Im gonna do 5 times worse to you. If you dont let go, I'll make you let go.
You do NOT piss the guy off who has better position.
@SkemeKOS I can bite your fingers or something else! What makes you think that you can gouge my eyes or crush my balls. It might be the other way around! Are you sure you can do 5 times worse? Maybe I cand do 15 times worse arter that! Who needs the "legit" escape? Real life isn't about legit or non-legit! It's about hurting, not annoying him!
You'll bite my fingers? LOL Good luck trying! And even if youre lucky enough to actually bite them, prepare to lose your eyesight and have your nose, cheeks and ears bitten off afterwards!
I can gouge your eyes because I can reach your eyes but you cant reach mine. I can crush your balls but you cant even touch mine. This all to do with the position on top. Its FAR easier to bite and eye gouge from top. I know this from training it almost EVERYTIME I have a grappling session.
@SkemeKOS The best legit escape is a kick in the head from someone that you don't even know is there! Can you imagine what happens to you after that? You will receive anything back triple of what you did! Your balls will be destroyed and eyes will be gauged out! Your nose will be crused and I don't want to think about your face!
Not going to happen because I have 300 friends with me, all armed to the teeth with guns, knives, swords, knuckle dusters, bats etc etc wheras youre on your own! Im wearing knuckle dusters and I will mount you, and maul you within an inch of your life with bites & eye gouges ect while my friends football kick the side of your head and body. Others will stomp your knees and ankles. You have no escape now, do you!
You see, I can just as easily put YOU in unfair situations too! :)
Yes, Im sure I can do 5 times worse to you because Im in the position to do so.
If you dont do the legit escape, youre gonna be stuck in the same position. Biting isnt the way out against everyone.
Im gonna have to upload streetfights where biting is used on the ground and is completely useless. The guy on top absolutely destroys the one who bites him.
Again, if biting is all you have to escape, then I feel sorry for you.
If you wanna try biting to escape, go ahead. But dont be surprised if it either cant be done at all because of the inferior position youre in, or doesnt work and gets you blinded for trying.
@SkemeKOS Or mybe you can get a reaped tendon and you won't be able yo use a muscle or two! In the mout position you are quite vulnerable! Nech, tescticles, you name it! Oh, I forgot, before you can do anything a friend might come and kick you and you won't be able to do anything because you were mounting or grappling me and couldn't pay attention to what's going on around you since you are focusing on me!
In the mount, my neck is fine and my balls are untouchable. Wheras all I have to do is reach back and have FULL access to crush your balls LOL
My neck will be about a foot or two away from yours, and your eyes and neck will also be in the PERFECT position for my hands. You will be struggling to reach ALL my vital areas(while Im attacking you) whereas all your vital areas are easily accessible to me.
My mount is postured down, using crushing hip pressure, with one arm wrapped..
@SkemeKOS Watch the Krav Maga episode from Fight Quest, the female instructor's lessons! Watch it! The guy was like you! Ground fighting was useless! Also if you go to ground fighting it will be like an invitation for others to punch and kick you! You are vulnerable and the (your) biggest problem is you don't know it and don't want to admit it!
@zaco21 I'd like to join in this discussion. Thank you.
[Pt. 1] KM (I train KM) teaches you that the fight may end up on the ground. If you are vs and you end up on the ground, top or bottom position, it helps to know BJJ. The same is said for multiple opponents. It is common sense (atleast I belive it is xD) to not go to the ground if your are versusing multiple attackers. But if you end up there, BJJ (+wrestling ;)) will help you get to your feet.
[Pt. 2] But I think we can all agree that taking a fight to the ground in a real confrontation is potenitaly a bad idea, depending on the surface, people around you and weapon probability.
But you have to admit: any one can strike, either poorly or greatly; however, if taken to the ground, all of that disapears, making it more easy to deal with your opponent (if ofcourse, the opponent isn't familiar with BJJ). But lot's of times on the street, it's improbable indeed.
@moyhad all others? There are tons still untested. How can it be all others? Not even mentioning weapons and combat oriented systems like Filipino martial arts and Silat.
@SkemeKOS you asked me where have I seen kung fu fighters beat grapplers. Are you familiar Shuai Jiao? It is Chinese judo/wrestling, there are a few instructors here in Baltimore.
@SkemeKOS I believe that a true Martial Artist should learn all he can to increase knowledge. For example, different principles from any system can help anyone.
100% agreed. Thats exactly what its all about my friend. Bruce Lee was right when he said there shouldnt be styles anymore...rather a WAY of fighting. That way is a totally free way of fighting with no limits.
I think until everyone has this same mind frame as Bruce Lee and are all mixed martial artists, then the styles will always matter IMO. For mixed martial artists, the practitioner can start to shine.
And when I say that the styles matter, Im not saying that a grappler beats a striker 100% of the time, or vice versa, Im just saying that the style is important because if you cant fight on the ground, youre doomed to lose against a grappler. If you cant fight on your feet, youre doomed to lose against "sprawl and brawlers".
I really think you have to be a mixed martial artist for you as a practitioner to matter more.
LOL Trust me, you arent biting your way out of shit.
Im a JKD(Jeet Kune Do - Which is Bruce Lees martial art that includes biting) practitioner of almost 20 years. Biting isnt going to be possible in 90% of positions and is dangerous for the biter in most cases. All I will say to you is that its a LOT harder than you think to apply bites. A lot harder.
Unless of course youre fighting a non grappler on the ground then yeah, bite away...but still beware of their
You have to try this stuff out for yourself instead of imagining it will work.
Its the ONLY way to improve as a martial artist.
You mightve seen Bruce Lee bite his way out of an armbar but that was COMPLETELY unrealistic! You mightve heard him say to the blind guy that you should bite to get out of the hold but youre taking his words too literal.
@SkemeKOS Combat sports is style a controlled environment. And this is a controlled environment. But everyone has their own opinion on things. A lot of grapplers say they fought in no holds barred fights but they weren't no holds barred. Imagine a grappler fighting a Kali master with a knife. Would it be anything wrong with him using his knife? Of course not because it's no holds barred. However, my friend I still respect your opinion.
No holds barred doesnt mean you can do anything to win LOL
It simply means what its name is....NO HOLDS BARRED!
In other words, your allowed to do ANY kind of grappling holds because none of them are barred.
So yeah, it would be wrong to use a kali knife if the rules say its not allowed. If the rules allow it then yeah its OK. But then I would use a gun if I were the grappler ;)
I completely respect your opinions too, my friend.
You can never base anything on styles. It will always depend on the practitioners. And this video is a controlled environment. I am not trying to disrespect BJJ because I practice Judo. However, in the street concrete hurts if you get slammed or begin rolling on it. Also your teeth is a powerful weapon and if you bite someone in the right place than they will bleed to death.
Yeah, and whos going to be the one getting slammed on the concrete? Whos going to be the one on their back on the concrete? Not the grappler, but the striker.
And yeah, bites can kill, but so can chokes, which are much easier to do reliably.
And also, Ive rolled on concrete and its absolutely fine. Only if youre a girl will it bother you(unless youre the one getting slammed and on your back etc etc)
if we are talking street fighting..... 'Along comes one of the kung fu guys mate and kicks the BJJ guy square in the face whilst he is on top of him'.........There are NO rules in the street... going to the ground in a street fight with all the different variables is a NO NO.... In a controllled 'sports' set up in the DOJO... Grappling arts will always win!
if we are talking street fighting..... 'Along comes one of the BJJ guys mate and beats the kung fu guy square in the back of the head with a baseball bat whilst he is chain punching.........There are NO rules in the street... standing and fighting more than one guy with weapons in a street fight with all the different variables is a NO NO.... In a controlled 'demonstration' set up in the DOJO... kung fu has a chance!
I dont agree with that at all....UNLESS the practitioners are mixed martial artists!
Because what happens if a boxer gets taken down by a BJJ guy? We KNOW hes going to lose, but whos fault is it? Is it HIS fault for not learning a grappling style, or is it his styles fault for not covering grappling aspects of a fight?
The style is VERY important and if you watch professional fighting you will know this. Styles make fights my friend.
@SkemeKOS Well in my opinion styles will never matter. Even Bruce lee said styles do not matter because there are no styles but only principles. And his students today such as, Jesse Glover said there are no styles but only principles. I have seen good kung fu practitioners destroy grapplers and I have seen good grapplers destroy kung fu practitioners. There are some practitioners of other styles that can use there art on the ground I have seen it before.
1] Bruce Lee did think styles matter because he realised the weakness of having just one style so he made his own "style". He also said that grapplers are the hardest type of opponent to beat.
2] Where have you seen kung fu beat grapplers? Ive never seen that before and Ive seen a LOT of fights.
3] When the kung fu guys won, did they win on the ground or standing?
If they won on the ground then I will agree that styles dont matter.
So ultimately, BOTH the style AND the practitioner are equally important.
But I would say at first, the styles matter more. Then when the guys are both very skilled in multiple arts, then the practitioner becomes just as, if not more important.
@xXPlague1996Xx So if you're doing another martial art and 3 guys attack you, all know jiu-jitsu or some kind of grappling martial arts, you're fucked, right? There's no more this MA vs that MA. The best self defense is cross training in other MAs and getting out of bad situations as fast as possible. When Urijah Faber was attacked by a group, he didn't fight back, he ran away. So the best method self defense against groups of people is running/sprinting away.
I would say both are great arts, but for me, I would say you should take BJJ. I personally think its much better and more effective in a street fight. Thats not to say that kung fu is a bad art though.
I do BJJ and it's not a good street fighting art, it is a great sport. If you go to the ground in the street, for one that person could have a knife and stab you which you do not train for, or his friend will just come over and kick you. Gracie and MMA media are tricky. The TRUE versions of Kung fu, Kenpo and Hapkido ALL have ground fighting almost identical to JJ. These Gracies fought bad teachers. In fact, in Hapkido, competitions are broken down into two sections, striking and grappling.
Im sick and tired of people saying the same shit over and over again about BJJ. Dont you realise what youre saying???
Its JUST as easy to say the same old shit about ANY fucking martial art - If you try your kung fu in the street, the guy could have a gun or knife and kill you...or they could have a group of friends who all stomp you out.
BJJ isnt the only art that is "ineffective" in those situations - ALL arts are ineffective.
BJJ is a sport, I know because I do it. Things like actual Kung fu have weapons and grappling and strikes. BJJ requires you to be on the ground grappling, this makes it too easy to be stabbed, or be tangled up while people are kicking you. If you're using something like Ba Gua, you're not going to the ground, you have knowledge of grappling but you will not be dog piled and kicked so easily because you will be on your feet using foot work and angles to escape the people and run.
BJJ is a sport... I do it too. You should look up the video called boxing vs 3 guys. I've seen tons of boxers even on youtube beat more than one person in a fight. I do BJJ too, it's not that epic... It's really fun and can be used for self defense if you HAVE to. If you want to actually train self defense, fight like a human being and take Kali/Eskrima and learn to fight with a weapon. Like a knife or retractable baton... That's what I do, and why I also think my BJJ training is mostly sport
I could beat more than one person with grappling too if they are noobs like seen in those videos. And what happens if one of the multiple attackers grabs the boxer and takes him down?
You could not out grapple 3 grown men... I do BJJ and it's awesome, but I will not say I could armbar one guy, and have another guy in a triangle while ground and pounding the 3rd guy... REALLY? In real life I would not use BJJ unless I HAD to stop the person from taking me down, because when three people have you on the ground, you're dead. I love BJJ, but if someone pulled guard in real life, I'd just stab them in the side with my knife... So unless you do Japanese JJ,grappling a knife is bad
I didnt say I would beat them all at the same time doing various moves simultaneously LOL
Thats like me saying to you I would land a jab on one guy, while simultaneously back healing a guy behind me and back fisting the guy to my side.
If they are all noobs like in those videos, then there is a slight chance that I could guillotine one, standing rear naked the other, and body slam the last.
Of course, if they arent noobs, then Im gonna get my ass kicked.......
Same goes for the boxer in that video. If they werent noobs, he wouldve got his ass kicked too. You need grappling AND striking at the end of the day and thats all there is to it. You cant say BJJ is not for street fighting because it is.
There is ALWAYS going to be a time when grappling knowledge is going to help you out.
But yeah, if your fighting multiple guys with weapons, and who arent noobs, youre fucked no matter which style you choose.
@njgabb I suggest starting Wing Chun Kung Fu. Bjj is good, if theres only one guy and there is an area of ground that you wont break your tail bone grapling on. Wing chun is amazing, you should look it up. :D
Again, the same old "BJJ is only good for 1 on 1" crap! Thats THREE comments in my inbox in a row saying this same old shit.
How about I put kung fu in an unfair situation - Kung fu is only good if theres only one guy because if theres more than one they can all beat you up while youre trying to fight the one guy. They could all have knives, bats, guns, swords etc etc so kung fu is only good for 1 on one.
Oh, and how the fuck are you gonna break your tail bone?
Ive grappled a few times on different types of rough terrain - gravel, dry mud with tiny stones etc etc and Ive never broke my tail bone LOL
Its not much different than fighting on a mat if you know what youre doing. Of course you have to watch out for some things but in the most case, youre just going to dominate too much for the enemy to do ANYTHING. to hurt you.
"Many martial arts do not teach there students how to defend themselves on the streets. 99.5% of fights end up on the ground." Yes, i can belive that. On the pavement, with rocks broken glass, and other things. If someone is going to attack you, they are going to have back up, so yeah, go ahead and "take your time" taking him to the ground and choke them out, while the other guys come up and break your face! Other martial arts do teach how to defend, and finish before you go to the ground.
@xXPlague1996Xx First off, you're stupid. Second off...you're fucking stupid. Lastly, You don't "take your time" when you take someone down and break them down. It is VERY fast when you do a takedown/throw. VERY fast. Of course, leptons like yourself will never understand that.
is this Jiu Jitsu guy is a martial artist? bullshit!!!!! and why do you say in audio that the kung fu guy is trapped like mouse? your r an idiot to me man!
And besides, if they grab you, take you down, or try kicking you while youre down etc etc, then at least you will be protect yourself better than a kung fu guy or boxer could.
@SkemeKOS well...i do bjj and its great. BUT in the streets when you have jeans, boots, winter gear....it sucks. i do bjj for fun but for real life i use my army training..and my muay thai
@SkemeKOS I never said nothing bad about bjj....I just feel better using my muay thai. I know bjj is the best art....but bjj takes alot of training to do well in the streets....but with some arts like muay thia,boxing and krav maga is easier for normal ppl to use in the real world.
Not having a go at BJJ, btw I love it, but as a kung fu practitioner I would say that, he cannot use full force in order to win in a club spar/fight. What I mean is, its not like as strikers we can just throw in a nice combination of knife and elbow strikes with different punches because that kind of force is supposed to seriously injur/kill the adversary. You talk about reality: in reality an elbow to the back of the neck would occur if someone were to grapple me :/
@Razer2036 The elbow to the back of the head is an ineffective method of stopping takedowns. It sounds great in theory, but once you actually get in there you realize just how quickly a grappler can pick you off your feet. And even when you do land it, your lack of base, coupled with the fact that your opponent isn't made of paper, means the strike doesn't have enough force.
But don't take my word for it. Just watch the kung-fu guy in the yellow pants try to defend Royce's takedown.
The elbows are not performed at full force and are not used to end the fight. They are only used to make the opponent panic and make a mistake, and expose himself by blocking in a certain way or trying to stand up(posting with their hands - leaving their neck unguarded & open for a choke.)
The slaps serve the same purpose.
Its MUCH more humane and controlled than ground and pounding the opponent.
And more humane than kung fu's eye gouges, bites, throat ripping and dim-maks etc etc
Its possible to beat multiple opponents, depending on how many there are, their level of training, and your level of training. In most cases, you are fcked if there are 2-3 strong attackers or they have weapons, but if you are a mid to high level MMA practioner or fighter adn they are unarmed, then you have a chance. If you know how to box effectively and keep the fight on the feet, then you can win cus most people don't know how to throw a punch on the street. Odds are against you, but
So that fat little guy represents kung fu ^^ ?
Faetterguf123 2 days ago
@Faetterguf123
Yup, and also the guy in the yellow/orange shorts.
SkemeKOS 2 days ago
Why is the Hapkido black belt wearing padded footies??? I used to wear those when I was a lowly white/yellow belt in TKD but NONE of the black belts EVER wore those. Sure this guy was a bb?
josh808m 4 days ago
@josh808m Not every school does the same thing.
An error a lot of traditional martial artists make is that they assume every other school out there uses the same training methods they do. In reality, training methods can vary widely in Taekwondo and Hapkido schools.
ThePinkMan 3 days ago
If I could only take up 1 style for self-defense,should I choose BJJ or Judo?
Slamming an enemy's head on the concrete/cement floor(like this: watch?v=fCHoIFHiq1o)seems like a very quick and effective way of ending a fight(Judo throws also work on bigger foes I believe)
Judo has ground-game too as far as I know(not BJJ-level but its still there)
I'm asking bec I'll be taking BJJ soon but there's Judo available too and I'm thinking about which one to take first,they both look fun to do.
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superanimegamer44 1 week ago
@superanimegamer44
Hmmm....thats a hard choice to be honest. I havent tried judo so I cant really say but I LOVE judo from what Ive seen and would really like to learn it myself.
I think the best thing to do is do a lot of research of both arts yourself and maybe try both art for a while before deciding which one.
Sorry I couldnt give a definite answer.
SkemeKOS 1 week ago
@superanimegamer44
I would recommend Jeet Kune Do but not many good schools are around. I say that because it is the original MMA. JKD REQUIRES you study Judo and BJJ which you already mentioned along with many other styles. It's kind of a graduate school for martial artist. The other arts incorporated are Muay Thai, Kali/Escrima, Silat, Karate-Kempo, Wing Chun just to name a few. It takes a while to become a certified instructor, sometimes 20 years but it covers all ranges of combat.
Tarc5150 1 week ago
@Tarc5150
as far as I know,JKD is pretty much Bruce Lee's own MMA style(altho its really more of a philosophy,rather than a style. the entire idea of MMA is pretty much JKD)
anyway,JKD sounds good but according to you,it seems that JKD has too many Mcdojo's flying around to be reliable(Like Karate,and several TMA's)
but will a legit JKD fighter do well against someone who has cross-trained Muay Thai/Boxing and Judo/BJJ in unarmed combat? I plan to train Boxing/MT for my striking.
superanimegamer44 1 week ago
@superanimegamer44
Yes most people including UFC guys and Dana White proclaim Bruce Lee as the father of all MMA. I don't think any JKD McDojo's exist. They are sparse and difficult to find. I think in the US there is maybe 30 full certified instructors in JKD most under Dan Inosanto and Richard Bustillo (Lee's two best friends). As for is it legit. The top UFC trainers are mostly boxing and MMA trainers. Erik Paulson, Daniel Sullivan, Frank Shamrock, Burton Richardson, Dan Inosanto, etc.
Tarc5150 1 week ago
@Tarc5150
I see,that sounds great. 1 more thing I'd like to ask about it is does JKD teach effective self-defense against weapons and multiple foes? I know that there are no guarantees in both situations but of course,good training is better than no/crap training. there is a YT vid of Inosanto talking about Knife vs Gun(watch?v=9igSoJHEdUo)
I assume its part of the JKD training.
I ask bec I thought of taking Krav Maga,but I'm skeptical about that art,JKD might be the better art.
superanimegamer44 1 week ago
@superanimegamer44
One the main arts that you are taught is Kali/Escrima which is arguably the most effective stick and knife fight art ever created. It is battle proven and used my virtually every special forces (Seals, SEK, etc.) in the world. It's mostly stick and knife disarms and they also cover Aikido's disarming techniques which is the most widely practiced martial art in law enforcment in the USA, Japan, UK, and Australia. However, Krav Maga is a very good system of self defense.
Tarc5150 1 week ago
@superanimegamer44
I think it depends more on what JKD and Krav Maga teacher you would be training under. Do you know their names? The previous arts you mentioned BJJ and Judo do not teach any weapons and do very few disarms compared to Kali/Escrima and Aikido.
Tarc5150 1 week ago
@Tarc5150
I haven't searched for any Krav Maga or JKD school yet,but I do plan to in the future.
Yes,I know Judo/BJJ or boxing/MT aren't designed for armed opponents(hence why I asked if JKD was)but its good to know how to fight hand-to-hand,and self-defense isn't the only reason I wanna take up martial arts,I have gotten interested in them so I wanna take them up for fun/sport too. since BJJ is available to me atm,that's the perfect opportunity for me to try it out.
superanimegamer44 1 week ago
@superanimegamer44
Try it out just make sure the instructor is qualified. BJJ has more McDojo's than any other art than maybe Tae Kwon Do now. If he is not at least a black belt find another school, lots of blue and purple belts running BJJ schools these days. Preferably find a Gracie Humatia school, they focus more on self defense then just sport fighting.
Tarc5150 1 week ago
@superanimegamer44
Inosanto and Bustillo have progressesd JKD way past Bruce Lee's JKD. Today Inosanto/Bustillo have certain requirements to be a full certified instructor in JKD. You must be at a black belt level or equivalent in Muay Thai, FMA, Wing Chun, Boxing, Silat, and a few years ago a Brown Belt in BJJ. It changes every few years. The last being the BJJ part which I am now a Purple Belt and going to test for Brown this summer under Carlos Machado. Just fine the best school in your area
Tarc5150 1 week ago
@Tarc5150
JKD truly is a badass "style"!
I find it extremely stupid and disrespectful when I hear so called JKD fans call Dan Inosantos JKD teaching as not real JKD because its different to what Bruce Lee's JKD was. Those people completely fail to understand Bruce Lee's art is designed to be different for everyone and to evolve/adapt with the times.
SkemeKOS 1 week ago
@SkemeKOS
Well said. Inosanto did exactly what Lee had hoped. He wanted them to further develop and refine his JKD. It was his dying wish. I don't think you can find a more comprehensive school than the Inosanto Academy or the IMB Academy. These guys have sought out the top instructors in virtually every style of martial art and have them teaching at their school.There is a reason why both are the most sought after instructors in the world and probably the highest paid. Thanks for the reply.
Tarc5150 1 week ago
@superanimegamer44 I have done both more so jiu jitsu and i just feel that until you get really good at judo you put your back in jeopardy if you dont execute a throw right.
victoryordeath19 1 week ago
@superanimegamer44 try both and see what you like
truth be told, there are some rock hard judo guys who can tap out BJJ guys, and there are BJJ guys who can tap out judo guys. Individual>training method> style
Judo is often cheaper. I prefer BJJ but I have a heathy respect for Judo.
Hope this helps :-)
quiteawful 6 days ago
@superanimegamer44
depends on what you're doing....I used to do both at the same but the judo classes at the gym were cancelled. Judo is good at working at drills to sweep and do take downs. This trains you more on getting the fight to the ground on your terms which can save energy and give you the dominant position which is everything in bjj. BJJ focus on the ground game gives you the chance to turn the fight at the last moment. There is normally a chance to escape given certain terms.
ziffy88 3 days ago
don't retreat advance and react. Cung Le proved this strategy to be useful.
SagaraSouske 2 weeks ago
@SagaraSouske
Except when he fought against Wanderlei Silva....
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago 2
"Out of desperation, he tries to reach for my groin." lol
heribertoc9 2 weeks ago
"many martial arts experts do not practice or teach their students how to defend themselves under realistic conditions" Realistic like usually people are with other people and while you're busy looking for a sub on dude you're fighting his friend is running in for the feild goal kick to your dome. BJJ is great 1v1 but loses a shit ton of effectiveness when there are other people present.
Antiwhateverur 2 weeks ago
@Antiwhateverur
Face the facts. If you're fighting more than 1 fighter, you're at disadvantage regardless of what style you practice. Of course, getting your opponent to the ground with multiple opponents present is the worst thing to do. However, intelligent opponents will get you to the ground. BJJ is then advantageous.
While I fought off two opponents in the street one time using my Muay Thai, they were inexperienced brawlers where any effective style would've done the job.
EdDy4RheelZ 2 weeks ago
Im guessing the so called russian judo expert was trained in a sport variation of judo witch focuses only on the throws. Someone who practiced actual combat judo would have done much better on the ground.
HylianWarrior64 2 weeks ago
@HylianWarrior64
I dunno man, but Fedor got made to look like a noob too when he lost to BJJ guy Fabricio Werdum.
It happens.
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago
@SkemeKOS As someone who practices judo, I can say the judo expert was clearly trained for the competitive sport type of judo. Due to judo's sport rules involving avoiding lying on the back, that instinct kicked in. Note he immediately turned to his back and turtled. Self defence judo (e.g. pre-1950's) does not do this.
ChristianDefence 2 weeks ago
@HylianWarrior64
I dunno man, but Fedor got made to look like a noob too when he lost to BJJ guy Fabricio Werdum.
It happens.
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago
@SkemeKOS sorry if I may ask, do you know is JKD efficent on the street, and what do you think of it ? tx! :)
striker78900 2 weeks ago
@striker78900
Well JKD is designed for the street so it includes all ranges of fighting. So yeah, I think its really efficient from what I know. I love JKD. Its a very complete way of fighting and was way ahead of its time and continues to stay up to date as intended by Bruce Lee.
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago
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bitting seriously what are you a mut if you are being triangle choked you cant bite their legs are around your neck not face and if you are being armbarred ok bite me i get a nasty flesh wound you get a broken arm or severed bicep who wins that one if you doubt bjj go to the gracie school and challenge someone they are always looking for fresh necks to choke and arms or legs to break theyve used up all the idiots in Rio so help them out get the shit choked out of yourself
biggunzcdb 4 weeks ago
bitting seriously what are you a mut if you are being triangle choked you cant bite their legs are around your neck not face and if you are being armbarred ok bite me i get a nasty flesh wound you get a broken arm or severed bicep who wins that one if you doubt bjj go to the gracie school and challenge someone they are always looking for fresh necks to choke and arms or legs to break theyve used up all the idiots in Rio so help them out get the shit choked out of yourself
biggunzcdb 4 weeks ago
bitting seriously what are you a mut if you are being triangle choked you cant bite their legs are around your neck not face and if you are being armbarred ok bite me i get a nasty flesh wound you get a broken arm or severed bicep who wins that one if you doubt bjj go to the gracie school and challenge someone they are always looking for fresh necks to choke and arms or legs to break theyve used up all the idiots in Rio so help them out get the shit choked out of yourself
biggunzcdb 4 weeks ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA, no doubt that BJJ is one of most effective styles out there for ground game. But undefeated for 65 years? Maybe you should look up Masahiko Kimura vs Helio Gracie and see what happened. =)
Btw, Helio Gracie is the co founder of BJJ and he is the grandmaster of BJJ.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 month ago
@EdDy4RheelZ
Masahiko Kimura said if Helio could last longer than 3 minutes with him, then Helio should be considered the winner. So yeah, I suppose Helio won.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS Not gonna debate with ya because we're on a same page and we both agree to the fact that BJJ is the most effective style for ground game that's heavily used by many fighters. It just caught my attention when this video stated that this system has been undefeated for 65 years. But at the end, whether Kimura proved it wrong, both Gracie Jiujitsu and Judo are from the same offspring of Jiujitsu via Kodokan Judo. I guess they meant it against systems not related to kodokan judo.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 month ago
@EdDy4RheelZ proved it wrong or not*
EdDy4RheelZ 1 month ago
@EdDy4RheelZ
Yeah, Im not gonna argue too my friend. Im just telling you what Kimura said.
Im really not sure about the whole "undefeated for 65 years" thing to be honest.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS Oh dude, I just researched the facts again. You're right. Kimura stated that whatever the result was, if anyone can survive a fight against him for over 3 minutes, then that person will be declared a winner regardless of what the end result was. Helio and Kimura fought for THIRTEEN MINUTES. It's the amount of time of THIS VIDEO into ONE MATCH. I guess you proved me wrong. So indeed, Gracie remains undefeated then during this time when this video was created.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 month ago
@EdDy4RheelZ Bjj is actually just watered down judo, by watered down I mean he took out alot of the throws were taken out. this came to be because helio gracie took judo but was to weak to do some of the throws due to his small size. so he just kept the ground work and did away with most of the throws basically reverting it back to traditional jujutsu.
HylianWarrior64 2 weeks ago
@HylianWarrior64 BJJ is actually a synthesized version of judo + jiujitsu. It has done extensive amount of reserach to learn any effective elements and styles possible while simulating the realistic aspect of fighting anywhere. BJJ respects their roots and even credits Kimura for his victory over Helio Gracie, hence, even using his name as a term for a reverse arm lock. BJJ is about effective, not about how original, traditional, or stylish the art is.
EdDy4RheelZ 2 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ I am aware of this lol, but what I was going at was than many people think the gracie family invented jujitsu witch is horribly wrong. But the gracie's are very good fighters and I have a lot of respect for them but at the end of the day BJJ is a sport variation of traditional japanese jujutsu witch was meant for killing. BJJ is good for a ring sport and its techniques can be applied in a street fight the same as wrestling techniques can. But jujustsu is best for self defense.
HylianWarrior64 2 weeks ago
@HylianWarrior64
BJJ has turned into a sport variation of Gracie Jiu Jitsu(GJJ) but even the sports Jiu Jitsu will kill
I dont think anyone in the world think the Gracies invented jujitsu LOL
Ive not once heard anyone claim that they thought the Gracies invented jujitsu. The Gracies themselves have made it perfectly clear, many, many times that their GJJ comes from a japanese guy. They just took a few moves out and refined the set ups and such to be more applicable etc etc etc
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago
6:50 WHAT'S UP?!?!? >:}
C0DPLAY3R69 1 month ago
He didnt find it easy to beat Royce because that fight went on for AAAAGES. In their rematch he didnt find it easy too...because he lost. He also didnt find it easy when fighting Ralek Gracie too...because he lost. Ralek made it look easy to beat Sakuraba.
But Sakuraba is still an INCREDIBLE fighter at the end of the day and a legend.
Oh yeah, LOL!
:)
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
Gracie weakness is sakuraba. Sakuraba made it look easy beating the gracies. Lol
sgheman 1 month ago
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i agree with skemekos!yea!here some realistic vid /watch?v=cTKBRCXKIAU&list=FLr56kOqWXmcLjCJkDBRNc6Q&index=2&feature=plpp_video I think most intelligent people require proof before we believe in something. !and i also agree with skemeko that This Jiu jitsu guy is a real life known martial artist!1 of the best of gracies...Royce Gracie!!! but w8 who are his opponents?hm....some random unkown ppl i guess....
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13Metal13Head13 1 month ago
The fight will always end up on the ground yes, however BJJ is not pratical on the streets as you can bite.
PsychoFlounder 1 month ago
@PsychoFlounder
Biting on the street is not practical because I can break arms, feet, fingers, legs, shoulders, choke necks and kill, use knives, bats etc etc
Stop being so damn small minded and OPEN IT!
Its like saying punching is not practical because you can kick. There are ALWAYS going to be times where all techniques are called for.
To say that BJJ is not piratical is not only incorrect, but its also just a fucking stupid thing to say.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS BJJ is practical to a certain extent, just as biting is practical to a certain extent. You don't want to get close because there's always a possibility of a weapon or multiple attack. If you're a JKD person then you've probably heard of Kina Mutai which is a way of using biting in a close quarters fight. The idea isn't to just bite, it's to bite and latch onto to person so he cannot shake you loose. That requires some know how of where to be on the ground as well.
jamespohh 1 month ago
@jamespohh "BJJ is practical to a certain extent, just as biting is practical to a certain extent."
Thats the point Im making. And no, Ive never heard of Kina Mutai. All I will say is that biting is nowhere near as effective as a counter to grapplers as many people think.
If someone bites me, I wont shake them off, I will gouge out there eyes with my thumbs and bite them back.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS You should look up Kina Mutai. It's not just biting, it's knowing how and where to bite on the body, how long to bite, what type of bite etc to create openings and opportunities. And yes the person would also be familiar with the ground and with all different positions to where he can bite with impunity. You won't be biting back or trying to gouge because it'd be tough to get to him. Even you aren't the exception when it comes to biting back against a knowledgeable person
jamespohh 1 month ago
@jamespohh
I will definitely check it out my friend.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS Biting is practical enough to where a vicious dog can maul you to pieces. If you can prevail in that sort of attack, then I can safely say you are right. I don't think you can, at least without sustaining serious injury. So don't dismiss biting as a tactic. It's a crude tactic but it has its merits.
jamespohh 1 month ago
@jamespohh
A dog is a MILLION times more effective at biting than humans. Not even Bruce Lee could survive a vicious dog attack....but Im sure he could EASILY survive some idiot trying to bite him.
Im not dismissing biting. I dont dismiss ANY techniques. Im just saying its much, much, MUCH harder than people think to stop a grappler with bites.
I always advise people to use bites with caution.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS Effective is relative and is dependent on how you look at it. Any form of biting holds the potential to do great damage once teeth latch onto you and refuses to let go. Human bites are much worse due to the pain factor and potential for infection. Of course biting is not advised in this day and age where disease is rampant but it's a last resort.
jamespohh 1 month ago
@jamespohh
Agreed that effective is relative. But you should also tell that to the guy who said BJJ is ineffective in the street. Thats complete bullshit.
And yeah, I see biting as a last resort personally.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS it's not a stupid thing to say! Look at the Krav Maga episode of Fight Quest! Stay on your feet or you're done in a street fight! BJJ would be a "just in case" option after Karate or Silat!
zaco21 1 month ago
@zaco21
"Stay on your feet or you're done in a street fight!"
Which is why BJJ is so effective.
And it IS a stupid thing to say. In fact is a very stupid thing to say because all techniques are practical at certain points in a fight.
BJJ is not a "just in case option at all"
Do you expect police and doormen etc etc to stand and fight with criminals? No, they tackle them down to the ground where they are no longer a threat.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS
Actually this is why you shouldn't use it! Do you know how many friends that guy has around him that you don't see?
BJJ is a "just in case" option!
If you didn't know this is one of the reasons that the police always ask for back up and wait (doesn't matter if something happens to you in the mean time)! Also being bitten while using BJJ is posible! BJJ is something that you don't want to use in a real life situation. Think that BJJ was developed in Vale Tudo fights!
zaco21 1 month ago
@zaco21
If he has friends then yeah, there is nothing else to do but run. So lets all forget martial arts and all become sprinters!!! BJJ is NOT a "just in case" option for me and it isnt for police either.
Police do not always wait for back up before jumping on the guy. The usually do it straight away.
Being bitten is possible but theres going to be little time for you to bite. And even if you do, you better prepare to be seriously hurt yourself.
BJJ IS something to use in real life.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS BJJ is a "just in case" option! If the guy has friends you can run but if you are on your feet you can start faster! Also if you don't have where to run then you can defend yourself better if you are on your feet! The Police use it because they rely on numbers! In other words one foes one on one and the other covers his back! You are not the police to have back up! If you are bitten you will be taken by surprise and that is all the guy needs to get out!
zaco21 1 month ago
@zaco21
BJJ might be a "just in case" option for you, but its not for me and a lot of other people so stop saying it. If the guy has friends, you run straight away. If he has friends, you dont try doing Kung fu or BJJ, you run. Simple as that.
Who said I wont have back up like the police??? And even if Im on my own, it only takes myself to take someone down and have full control of them. I will NOT be taken by surprise if Im bitten because I train with it in mind ALL the time.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS If it isn't a "just in case" option for you run like hell every time someone attacks you! You don't always know if he has or doesn't have friends! If you realize that you are in a worse situation than you thought you have a problem if you are not on your feet!
If you have back up you won't have a problem if you have hand to hand combat training but if you don't and you are using BJJ you're in trouble!
zaco21 1 month ago
@zaco21
Same to you. If your stand up fighting isnt a "just in case" option then run like hell because you dont know if he has friends with him at the time, or coming while youre fighting, you dont know if they have guns, knives and bats etc etc so just run straight away. Like I said before, we should all just forget about martial arts and train to be sprinters instead!
Youre obviously just a BJJ hater so Im gonna ban you from commenting on this video LOL
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS Also getting bitten is possible when using BJJ! It also hurts and all you need is a second to escape! Don't forget that while you are fighting on the ground some amigos might be coming to save the guy! BJJ is somthing you shouldn't use!
zaco21 1 month ago
@zaco21
OK, so Im in mount and you bite me. Where? Whats gonna stop me from gouging your eyes out? Crushing your balls? How are you gonna escape? If you know the legit mount escapes then you MIGHT be OK but then biting wasnt called for anyway. Just use the legit escape. If you bite me Im gonna do 5 times worse to you. If you dont let go, I'll make you let go.
You do NOT piss the guy off who has better position.
Its MUCH smarter to do most cases.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS I can bite your fingers or something else! What makes you think that you can gouge my eyes or crush my balls. It might be the other way around! Are you sure you can do 5 times worse? Maybe I cand do 15 times worse arter that! Who needs the "legit" escape? Real life isn't about legit or non-legit! It's about hurting, not annoying him!
zaco21 1 month ago
@zaco21
You'll bite my fingers? LOL Good luck trying! And even if youre lucky enough to actually bite them, prepare to lose your eyesight and have your nose, cheeks and ears bitten off afterwards!
I can gouge your eyes because I can reach your eyes but you cant reach mine. I can crush your balls but you cant even touch mine. This all to do with the position on top. Its FAR easier to bite and eye gouge from top. I know this from training it almost EVERYTIME I have a grappling session.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS The best legit escape is a kick in the head from someone that you don't even know is there! Can you imagine what happens to you after that? You will receive anything back triple of what you did! Your balls will be destroyed and eyes will be gauged out! Your nose will be crused and I don't want to think about your face!
zaco21 1 month ago
@zaco21
Not going to happen because I have 300 friends with me, all armed to the teeth with guns, knives, swords, knuckle dusters, bats etc etc wheras youre on your own! Im wearing knuckle dusters and I will mount you, and maul you within an inch of your life with bites & eye gouges ect while my friends football kick the side of your head and body. Others will stomp your knees and ankles. You have no escape now, do you!
You see, I can just as easily put YOU in unfair situations too! :)
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@zaco21
Yes, Im sure I can do 5 times worse to you because Im in the position to do so.
If you dont do the legit escape, youre gonna be stuck in the same position. Biting isnt the way out against everyone.
Im gonna have to upload streetfights where biting is used on the ground and is completely useless. The guy on top absolutely destroys the one who bites him.
Again, if biting is all you have to escape, then I feel sorry for you.
And again, Im not saying it will never work.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS The mount position has weaknesses. There is always a weakness! In fact you weakness is that you think everything is going your way!
zaco21 1 month ago
@zaco21
Well of course everything has a weakness. Even nuclear bombs have a weakness, but the point is, youre in a losing battle at the bottom of the mount.
We never think "everything is going our way". We flow with the go. Ready for the opponent to defend so we can react accordingly.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@zaco21
If you wanna try biting to escape, go ahead. But dont be surprised if it either cant be done at all because of the inferior position youre in, or doesnt work and gets you blinded for trying.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS Or mybe you can get a reaped tendon and you won't be able yo use a muscle or two! In the mout position you are quite vulnerable! Nech, tescticles, you name it! Oh, I forgot, before you can do anything a friend might come and kick you and you won't be able to do anything because you were mounting or grappling me and couldn't pay attention to what's going on around you since you are focusing on me!
zaco21 1 month ago
@zaco21
In the mount, my neck is fine and my balls are untouchable. Wheras all I have to do is reach back and have FULL access to crush your balls LOL
My neck will be about a foot or two away from yours, and your eyes and neck will also be in the PERFECT position for my hands. You will be struggling to reach ALL my vital areas(while Im attacking you) whereas all your vital areas are easily accessible to me.
My mount is postured down, using crushing hip pressure, with one arm wrapped..
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
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My mount is postured down, using crushing hip pressure, with one arm scissoring your neck for control and pressure/pain.
Basically your only option from there is to TRY and bite my chest...but I will already have my thumbs in your eyes as a warning.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS Watch the Krav Maga episode from Fight Quest, the female instructor's lessons! Watch it! The guy was like you! Ground fighting was useless! Also if you go to ground fighting it will be like an invitation for others to punch and kick you! You are vulnerable and the (your) biggest problem is you don't know it and don't want to admit it!
zaco21 1 month ago
@zaco21 I'd like to join in this discussion. Thank you.
[Pt. 1] KM (I train KM) teaches you that the fight may end up on the ground. If you are vs and you end up on the ground, top or bottom position, it helps to know BJJ. The same is said for multiple opponents. It is common sense (atleast I belive it is xD) to not go to the ground if your are versusing multiple attackers. But if you end up there, BJJ (+wrestling ;)) will help you get to your feet.
Anubisspeicial 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@zaco21
[Pt. 2] But I think we can all agree that taking a fight to the ground in a real confrontation is potenitaly a bad idea, depending on the surface, people around you and weapon probability.
But you have to admit: any one can strike, either poorly or greatly; however, if taken to the ground, all of that disapears, making it more easy to deal with your opponent (if ofcourse, the opponent isn't familiar with BJJ). But lot's of times on the street, it's improbable indeed.
Thanks.
Anubisspeicial 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@PsychoFlounder
Tell me, which positions do you think you might be able to bite your way out of.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
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PsychoFlounder 1 month ago
This shows how the bjj is the martial art that rules on top of all the others
moyhad 1 month ago
@moyhad
Yep. And the 1st couple of UFCs prove it even more. BJJ really is superior in terms of single martial arts if you ask me.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@moyhad all others? There are tons still untested. How can it be all others? Not even mentioning weapons and combat oriented systems like Filipino martial arts and Silat.
jamespohh 1 month ago
yeah juijitsu has a awesome ground i do admit this
abdullahabdulaziz1 2 months ago
im guessing the judo guy was just a panzy
puzzypirate 2 months ago
@puzzypirate
Guess you'll never know for sure until you fight him.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS well shuai jiao is still grappling.
Arealmartialartist1 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS you asked me where have I seen kung fu fighters beat grapplers. Are you familiar Shuai Jiao? It is Chinese judo/wrestling, there are a few instructors here in Baltimore.
Arealmartialartist1 2 months ago
@Arealmartialartist1
No, Ive never heard of shuai Jiao before. I will have a look for myself.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS I believe that a true Martial Artist should learn all he can to increase knowledge. For example, different principles from any system can help anyone.
Arealmartialartist1 2 months ago
@Arealmartialartist1
100% agreed. Thats exactly what its all about my friend. Bruce Lee was right when he said there shouldnt be styles anymore...rather a WAY of fighting. That way is a totally free way of fighting with no limits.
I think until everyone has this same mind frame as Bruce Lee and are all mixed martial artists, then the styles will always matter IMO. For mixed martial artists, the practitioner can start to shine.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
[CONTINUED]....
And when I say that the styles matter, Im not saying that a grappler beats a striker 100% of the time, or vice versa, Im just saying that the style is important because if you cant fight on the ground, youre doomed to lose against a grappler. If you cant fight on your feet, youre doomed to lose against "sprawl and brawlers".
I really think you have to be a mixed martial artist for you as a practitioner to matter more.
Im waaaaay too tired to explain properly lol :(
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS Your not doomed you can bite your way out.
PsychoFlounder 1 month ago
@PsychoFlounder
LOL Trust me, you arent biting your way out of shit.
Im a JKD(Jeet Kune Do - Which is Bruce Lees martial art that includes biting) practitioner of almost 20 years. Biting isnt going to be possible in 90% of positions and is dangerous for the biter in most cases. All I will say to you is that its a LOT harder than you think to apply bites. A lot harder.
Unless of course youre fighting a non grappler on the ground then yeah, bite away...but still beware of their
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
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beware of their reaction.
You have to try this stuff out for yourself instead of imagining it will work.
Its the ONLY way to improve as a martial artist.
You mightve seen Bruce Lee bite his way out of an armbar but that was COMPLETELY unrealistic! You mightve heard him say to the blind guy that you should bite to get out of the hold but youre taking his words too literal.
Open your mind!
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
[EDIT] -
"the blind guy in Longstreet"
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS Combat sports is style a controlled environment. And this is a controlled environment. But everyone has their own opinion on things. A lot of grapplers say they fought in no holds barred fights but they weren't no holds barred. Imagine a grappler fighting a Kali master with a knife. Would it be anything wrong with him using his knife? Of course not because it's no holds barred. However, my friend I still respect your opinion.
Arealmartialartist1 2 months ago
@Arealmartialartist1
No holds barred doesnt mean you can do anything to win LOL
It simply means what its name is....NO HOLDS BARRED!
In other words, your allowed to do ANY kind of grappling holds because none of them are barred.
So yeah, it would be wrong to use a kali knife if the rules say its not allowed. If the rules allow it then yeah its OK. But then I would use a gun if I were the grappler ;)
I completely respect your opinions too, my friend.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
You can never base anything on styles. It will always depend on the practitioners. And this video is a controlled environment. I am not trying to disrespect BJJ because I practice Judo. However, in the street concrete hurts if you get slammed or begin rolling on it. Also your teeth is a powerful weapon and if you bite someone in the right place than they will bleed to death.
Arealmartialartist1 2 months ago
@Arealmartialartist1
Yeah, and whos going to be the one getting slammed on the concrete? Whos going to be the one on their back on the concrete? Not the grappler, but the striker.
And yeah, bites can kill, but so can chokes, which are much easier to do reliably.
And also, Ive rolled on concrete and its absolutely fine. Only if youre a girl will it bother you(unless youre the one getting slammed and on your back etc etc)
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
BJJ is made for 1v1 street fighting so...
ThePixelMafia 2 months ago
if we are talking street fighting..... 'Along comes one of the kung fu guys mate and kicks the BJJ guy square in the face whilst he is on top of him'.........There are NO rules in the street... going to the ground in a street fight with all the different variables is a NO NO.... In a controllled 'sports' set up in the DOJO... Grappling arts will always win!
defcon71 2 months ago
@defcon71
if we are talking street fighting..... 'Along comes one of the BJJ guys mate and beats the kung fu guy square in the back of the head with a baseball bat whilst he is chain punching.........There are NO rules in the street... standing and fighting more than one guy with weapons in a street fight with all the different variables is a NO NO.... In a controlled 'demonstration' set up in the DOJO... kung fu has a chance!
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS Sorry you can never base anything on styles. Remember it will always depend on the practitioners.
Arealmartialartist1 2 months ago
@Arealmartialartist1
I dont agree with that at all....UNLESS the practitioners are mixed martial artists!
Because what happens if a boxer gets taken down by a BJJ guy? We KNOW hes going to lose, but whos fault is it? Is it HIS fault for not learning a grappling style, or is it his styles fault for not covering grappling aspects of a fight?
The style is VERY important and if you watch professional fighting you will know this. Styles make fights my friend.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS Well in my opinion styles will never matter. Even Bruce lee said styles do not matter because there are no styles but only principles. And his students today such as, Jesse Glover said there are no styles but only principles. I have seen good kung fu practitioners destroy grapplers and I have seen good grapplers destroy kung fu practitioners. There are some practitioners of other styles that can use there art on the ground I have seen it before.
Arealmartialartist1 2 months ago
@Arealmartialartist1
1] Bruce Lee did think styles matter because he realised the weakness of having just one style so he made his own "style". He also said that grapplers are the hardest type of opponent to beat.
2] Where have you seen kung fu beat grapplers? Ive never seen that before and Ive seen a LOT of fights.
3] When the kung fu guys won, did they win on the ground or standing?
If they won on the ground then I will agree that styles dont matter.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@Arealmartialartist1
So ultimately, BOTH the style AND the practitioner are equally important.
But I would say at first, the styles matter more. Then when the guys are both very skilled in multiple arts, then the practitioner becomes just as, if not more important.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@defcon71 Well I agree with you on rules. But even though in the street you never know who may win between to practitioners highly trained.
Arealmartialartist1 2 months ago
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@xXPlague1996Xx So if you're doing another martial art and 3 guys attack you, all know jiu-jitsu or some kind of grappling martial arts, you're fucked, right? There's no more this MA vs that MA. The best self defense is cross training in other MAs and getting out of bad situations as fast as possible. When Urijah Faber was attacked by a group, he didn't fight back, he ran away. So the best method self defense against groups of people is running/sprinting away.
shotyaface 2 months ago
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shotyaface 2 months ago
shame the judoka and royce had no gi tops on, it might have been a different story then as the judoka would have been able to throw him
999Tornado 2 months ago
@999Tornado
I dont think it was Royce fighting the Judoka. He looked more like Rickson to me.
Anyway, I doubt the fight wouldve been any different. If he didnt come out swinging and using his boxing then yeah, maybe.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
I wanna start kung fu or BJJ but i dont know what one im looking for anyones opinion?? what should i start?
which is better and more useful in a street fight??
njgabb 2 months ago
@njgabb
I would say both are great arts, but for me, I would say you should take BJJ. I personally think its much better and more effective in a street fight. Thats not to say that kung fu is a bad art though.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
I do BJJ and it's not a good street fighting art, it is a great sport. If you go to the ground in the street, for one that person could have a knife and stab you which you do not train for, or his friend will just come over and kick you. Gracie and MMA media are tricky. The TRUE versions of Kung fu, Kenpo and Hapkido ALL have ground fighting almost identical to JJ. These Gracies fought bad teachers. In fact, in Hapkido, competitions are broken down into two sections, striking and grappling.
ChamorruWarrior 2 months ago
@ChamorruWarrior
Bullshit. COMPLETE bullshit.
Im sick and tired of people saying the same shit over and over again about BJJ. Dont you realise what youre saying???
Its JUST as easy to say the same old shit about ANY fucking martial art - If you try your kung fu in the street, the guy could have a gun or knife and kill you...or they could have a group of friends who all stomp you out.
BJJ isnt the only art that is "ineffective" in those situations - ALL arts are ineffective.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
BJJ is a sport, I know because I do it. Things like actual Kung fu have weapons and grappling and strikes. BJJ requires you to be on the ground grappling, this makes it too easy to be stabbed, or be tangled up while people are kicking you. If you're using something like Ba Gua, you're not going to the ground, you have knowledge of grappling but you will not be dog piled and kicked so easily because you will be on your feet using foot work and angles to escape the people and run.
ChamorruWarrior 2 months ago
@ChamorruWarrior
BJJ is NOT a sport, I know because I do it.
Go and ask the Gracies or many other TOP BJJ or Jiu jitsu guys if its just a sport and they will tell you that it isnt.
Its a martial art that is firstly for self defence, second for sport. End of story.
No amount of footwork is going to help you against multiple opponents with weapons...unless its trying to run for your life.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
BJJ is a sport... I do it too. You should look up the video called boxing vs 3 guys. I've seen tons of boxers even on youtube beat more than one person in a fight. I do BJJ too, it's not that epic... It's really fun and can be used for self defense if you HAVE to. If you want to actually train self defense, fight like a human being and take Kali/Eskrima and learn to fight with a weapon. Like a knife or retractable baton... That's what I do, and why I also think my BJJ training is mostly sport
ChamorruWarrior 2 months ago
@ChamorruWarrior
Well we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this because I dont see it like you do.
And Ive seen all of those videos before but they prove nothing.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
I think they prove that you can beat more than one person with stand up fighting... That's what they prove...
ChamorruWarrior 2 months ago
@ChamorruWarrior
I could beat more than one person with grappling too if they are noobs like seen in those videos. And what happens if one of the multiple attackers grabs the boxer and takes him down?
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
You could not out grapple 3 grown men... I do BJJ and it's awesome, but I will not say I could armbar one guy, and have another guy in a triangle while ground and pounding the 3rd guy... REALLY? In real life I would not use BJJ unless I HAD to stop the person from taking me down, because when three people have you on the ground, you're dead. I love BJJ, but if someone pulled guard in real life, I'd just stab them in the side with my knife... So unless you do Japanese JJ,grappling a knife is bad
ChamorruWarrior 2 months ago
@ChamorruWarrior
I didnt say I would beat them all at the same time doing various moves simultaneously LOL
Thats like me saying to you I would land a jab on one guy, while simultaneously back healing a guy behind me and back fisting the guy to my side.
If they are all noobs like in those videos, then there is a slight chance that I could guillotine one, standing rear naked the other, and body slam the last.
Of course, if they arent noobs, then Im gonna get my ass kicked.......
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
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Same goes for the boxer in that video. If they werent noobs, he wouldve got his ass kicked too. You need grappling AND striking at the end of the day and thats all there is to it. You cant say BJJ is not for street fighting because it is.
There is ALWAYS going to be a time when grappling knowledge is going to help you out.
But yeah, if your fighting multiple guys with weapons, and who arent noobs, youre fucked no matter which style you choose.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@njgabb Do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Kung fu is made for movies, and is, ultimately, ineffective.
zacktillery 2 months ago
@njgabb I suggest starting Wing Chun Kung Fu. Bjj is good, if theres only one guy and there is an area of ground that you wont break your tail bone grapling on. Wing chun is amazing, you should look it up. :D
xXPlague1996Xx 2 months ago
@xXPlague1996Xx
Again, the same old "BJJ is only good for 1 on 1" crap! Thats THREE comments in my inbox in a row saying this same old shit.
How about I put kung fu in an unfair situation - Kung fu is only good if theres only one guy because if theres more than one they can all beat you up while youre trying to fight the one guy. They could all have knives, bats, guns, swords etc etc so kung fu is only good for 1 on one.
Oh, and how the fuck are you gonna break your tail bone?
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@xXPlague1996Xx
Ive grappled a few times on different types of rough terrain - gravel, dry mud with tiny stones etc etc and Ive never broke my tail bone LOL
Its not much different than fighting on a mat if you know what youre doing. Of course you have to watch out for some things but in the most case, youre just going to dominate too much for the enemy to do ANYTHING. to hurt you.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@xXPlague1996Xx yeah i have been told about it, i hear its really good ill look in to that cheers :D
njgabb 2 months ago
"Many martial arts do not teach there students how to defend themselves on the streets. 99.5% of fights end up on the ground." Yes, i can belive that. On the pavement, with rocks broken glass, and other things. If someone is going to attack you, they are going to have back up, so yeah, go ahead and "take your time" taking him to the ground and choke them out, while the other guys come up and break your face! Other martial arts do teach how to defend, and finish before you go to the ground.
xXPlague1996Xx 2 months ago
@xXPlague1996Xx First off, you're stupid. Second off...you're fucking stupid. Lastly, You don't "take your time" when you take someone down and break them down. It is VERY fast when you do a takedown/throw. VERY fast. Of course, leptons like yourself will never understand that.
zacktillery 2 months ago
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shotyaface 2 months ago
is this Jiu Jitsu guy is a martial artist? bullshit!!!!! and why do you say in audio that the kung fu guy is trapped like mouse? your r an idiot to me man!
sarrisshipping 2 months ago
@sarrisshipping
This Jiu jitsu guy is a real life martial arts LEGEND...Royce Gracie!!! You must be living under a rock or have a rock as a brain.
The jiu Jitsu guy is the CHAMPION of the 1st coulple of UFCs when it was tournament fighting.
His brother Rorion Gracie is the guy talking in the audio. Rorion Gracie is the creator of the UFC.
He didnt say hes trapped like a mouse, he says his brother plays with him like a cat with a mouse.
Clean your ears out you rock for brains!
SkemeKOS 2 months ago 7
I can't believe he beated the Judoka so easily...
AutomataAristotelico 2 months ago
One on оne but what happens if two against one?
stugutka 2 months ago
@stugutka I don't know. But you better be prepared if they grab you.
thefaggotcrew 2 months ago
@thefaggotcrew you're right
stugutka 2 months ago
@stugutka
You can say that crap about ANY martial art.
And besides, if they grab you, take you down, or try kicking you while youre down etc etc, then at least you will be protect yourself better than a kung fu guy or boxer could.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS well...i do bjj and its great. BUT in the streets when you have jeans, boots, winter gear....it sucks. i do bjj for fun but for real life i use my army training..and my muay thai
holywar911 2 months ago
@holywar911 We often fight in boots, coats and jeans and its no different really. Its sometimes better actually. Not sure what your problem is.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS I never said nothing bad about bjj....I just feel better using my muay thai. I know bjj is the best art....but bjj takes alot of training to do well in the streets....but with some arts like muay thia,boxing and krav maga is easier for normal ppl to use in the real world.
holywar911 2 months ago
Maybe you're right, but the video almost say that it is best so that's why I commented
stugutka 2 months ago
@stugutka
Well in a one on one fight it is best. 100 on one its best to learn Gun-fu or Run-fu.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago 2
@SkemeKOS :D:D:D
stugutka 2 months ago
Gracie JiuJitsu pwns all. its evident, its obvious, and im sorry that some of us looked up to the Gracie's instead bruce lee.
conner1ize 2 months ago
seriously the kunfu guys is stupid :O
jeffmiller16 2 months ago
One of my fovorite MA videos Gracies IN ACTION .
bronxman4u2000 2 months ago
Not having a go at BJJ, btw I love it, but as a kung fu practitioner I would say that, he cannot use full force in order to win in a club spar/fight. What I mean is, its not like as strikers we can just throw in a nice combination of knife and elbow strikes with different punches because that kind of force is supposed to seriously injur/kill the adversary. You talk about reality: in reality an elbow to the back of the neck would occur if someone were to grapple me :/
Razer2036 2 months ago
@Razer2036 The elbow to the back of the head is an ineffective method of stopping takedowns. It sounds great in theory, but once you actually get in there you realize just how quickly a grappler can pick you off your feet. And even when you do land it, your lack of base, coupled with the fact that your opponent isn't made of paper, means the strike doesn't have enough force.
But don't take my word for it. Just watch the kung-fu guy in the yellow pants try to defend Royce's takedown.
ThePinkMan 2 months ago
"in a humane way." *ELBOW*
"when he feels like ending the fight he will turn him over and choke him" *slap slap slap slap*
later...
*elbow into spine repeatedly*
nice, humble demonstration of your inner calm. martial arts at it's best y'all
ubersum1 3 months ago
@ubersum1
The elbows are not performed at full force and are not used to end the fight. They are only used to make the opponent panic and make a mistake, and expose himself by blocking in a certain way or trying to stand up(posting with their hands - leaving their neck unguarded & open for a choke.)
The slaps serve the same purpose.
Its MUCH more humane and controlled than ground and pounding the opponent.
And more humane than kung fu's eye gouges, bites, throat ripping and dim-maks etc etc
SkemeKOS 3 months ago 14
@SkemeKOS thanks for the informative response.
ubersum1 3 months ago
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Look, I can swim on the floor!
cerelilqt 3 months ago
Its possible to beat multiple opponents, depending on how many there are, their level of training, and your level of training. In most cases, you are fcked if there are 2-3 strong attackers or they have weapons, but if you are a mid to high level MMA practioner or fighter adn they are unarmed, then you have a chance. If you know how to box effectively and keep the fight on the feet, then you can win cus most people don't know how to throw a punch on the street. Odds are against you, but
00SoldierofFortune00 3 months ago