If it weren't for feminist sociopaths relations between the sexes would be in a much better place today.
Truth be told, without the "evils of the patriarchy" to whine about these people would be absolutely nothing, so they have a vested interest in perpetuating this conflict.
Fuck Feministing and the prideful, arrogant types who think they're the final authority on what all women think, who silence the dissenters (meaning they don't speak for women because they shut them up if they're not man-haters). To the author: don't apologize or be wishy-washy. It is clear that if women could solve their own problems we wouldn't have a "justice system" terrorized by feminazis. That is the objective proof, not subject to opinion. Men have to be held back for women to compete.
@MsMirrorMirror You have no case. His room doesn't need to be to anyone's liking except his own.
Oh wait, I'm thinking with the perspective of a rational human being, aren't I?
If I were a feminist and not some evil man, I would k,now that no man can have his own room, he can only safeguard it until some woman chooses to occupy it. How could I have been so blind?!
with that being said i FUCKING HATE FEMINISM THAT BELITTLES MAN JUST FOR BEING A MAN IT MARKS MAN AS "GUILTY" AS "RAPIST" AS "DEAD BEAT DADS" AND SO MANY MORE THINGS THAT MAKE MAN FEEL BAD. I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVE MY POINT AND DISCUSS THIS FURTHER IF SOMEONE WISHES TO DEBATE ME.
u see its like a balance we as men give women what they dont have and they give us what we dont have so noone is better. we give women leadership protection guidence since we rationalize more than listen to our emotions thats why we are leaders.now women in the other hand gives us that love nurture that caring that men so desperately need they give us that emotional support (thats why men go to war and die for u ladies)
"A whole called a vegina." Really??? Come on, if you're going to make the classic case of "men do more than women" (so tired, by the way), then at least get the spelling right! You're making it too easy for me to make fun of you.
i see ur point we however as men are NOT better than women for the simple fact that without women we would not exist. the fact is that we are equal nothing more nothing less but men however were design to be leaders and women their companions (not that being a leader means better we are equal as i said) thats why men have invented everything thats why we are stronger, we use our intellect more oppose to our emotions,
@hilby, when you think about it, it's actually really really sad that some guy doesn't know that women have vaginal muscles. I feel a little bit sorry for the poor lonely guy.
oh god im going to assume your university age... so yeah... um... never let any girls you date see this video.
From a girl speaking both humorously and seriously...
You probably will NEVER get a blow job from any girlfriend you have after she see's you say something like this...( well at least not one with no teeth!)
Ok, see now I'm going to take up the feminist role, even though I myself am a man. Women are as capable as men at doing just about anything, the only thing they have above us is being able to actually help us reproduce. They can't do it without us, we can't do it without them. It's simply how we were made. So in essence, we are all equal. The problem is our the set of mind instilled in to the majority of the minds in the world... but then again, this is just my thought on the matter.
Lol I've beaten a lot of guys in fistfights before. It's not my fault. I just really truely deeply loathe the word 'bitch', especially when I'm called one if I simply walk down a sidewalk. Makes me slightly violent. Go figure.
I love you for taking over the argument with this moron, but I beg you not to waist your time, as I did. He just repeats ignorant statements he's already made and says things that don't make any sense. And in the end he's just as much of a moron.
Yeah, no problem. I'm going to just let him be, although my comment about the chubbiness and whatnot was actually directed at the boy who made the video, LOL.
Yeah I know. Lol. I was just making it clear to the fucktard who made the video that I was talking about the argument the two of you were having and not the comment about him.
Don't be judgemental. He may have a frustrating and depressing attitude towards women, (or is it sarcasm? i honestly can't tell) but it has nothing to do with his looks or whether or not he can 'get laid'.
Men have a good radar to detect people smarter than what they are. They will accept/respect him as 'leader' where applicable - despite the physical size.
The same 'good working' radar tells them, that women about never deserves a leader position, because they have inferior abilities in many/almost all areas. Especially not in critical situations.
You don't want a relatively stupid as your leader, when you could do it better yourself, do you... that's natural and nothing evil by men.
Also we have/had this mentality because we lived since ever here. Not like in the USA where some may just liked the mountains and moved therefore to there. That's a little different. The one have been forced to be there and got used to the live, others moved there for whatever reason.
"Meaning that if you took sick right *now* (I hope you dont)"
thx :)
Yep, I would have to go to a university-idiot. Not all are idiots so - it's a tendency I learned when I was on some higher school. learned = my impression.
"More or as many women as men in a graduate school means that women are winning the competition:
50% med school students
66.5% pharmacy students
52% law school students
77% physical therapy students
62.2% optometry students"
Is is possible, no fucking guy is interested in 'physical therapy'? Still it shall be a prove women are much better there, because there are much more?
"shall be a prove women are much better there, because there are much more"
No, I mean that 77% of physical students who move beyond undergraduate school to occupy places in graduate school are women. These numbers show women surpassing the men in their ability to research these fields and perform the job necessary.
"No, I mean that 77% of physical students who move beyond undergraduate school to occupy places in graduate school are women. These numbers show women surpassing the men in their ability to research these fields and perform the job necessary."
So so, and when there have been, let's say, 90% females in 'undergraduate' and in graduate now 77%?
That would still prove that women are surpassing the men in their ability etc.?
Still out of scope what that 77% proves, unless guys are not interested.
And you mean those guys learning 'physics, chemistry' couldn't get through the "physical therapy" school, if they wanted? (what they OF COURSE don't want, because it's probably fucking boring for them).
I consider 'physical therapy' as laughable easy compared to 'physics/chemisty'. Ok you have to shovel stuff into your head and remember it on tests. great.
I guess this is a translation problem. "Academic" in english means "pertaining to school"
"If yes, they tend to write clever books. I would take that a proof"
Writing a clever book is proof of male superiority? Einstein never wrote a book.
"Most exciting clever scientific books"
There books in the world have not been numbered. And 'exciting' is a matter of opinion. Kearns Goodwin, Mary Roach & Sarah Vowell write clever, exciting books.
About the book, I meant an academic is someone writing scientific essays/books.
Anyway, now that I don't even know what a 'academic' is, we may could stop here arguing.
You have still your opinion based on the good school results of women in some areas and whatever good stuff that will bring in some years.
I see more sports/games, physics/mathe, chemistry, real (life) jobs out of school as things where you can prove 'abilities'. I see there men clearly in front.
Still waiting for a prove that women are equal or better academics. I only saw percentages of students.
E.g. when you can say: most chief-surgeons are women - I would take that as a proof - because I would think they carefully select them and only hire the really very best.
Women are therefore the majority of chief-surgeons? I mean they are better in school, aren't they.
Still waiting for a prove that women are equal or better academics. I only saw percentages of students.
I want to see some 'performance' stuff so we can finally compare women and men - however you can measure that - but you said you can somehow.
E.g. when you can say: most chief-surgeons are women - I would take that as a proof - because I would think they carefully select them and only take the best-possible one. Are most chief-surgeons women?
"Still waiting for a prove that women are equal or better academics. I only saw percentages of students"
You saw the percentages of female students who have surpassed male students.
No. Most chief surgeons are male. Chief surgery takes years of experience and there werent that many women pursuing surgery twenty or thirty years ago. That number will change in ten years & what will you say then?
Sandman, you havent proven men better in *every*single*field yet.
"Its just the way God made it" First of all, since when is a best friend or companion naturally someone unequal to you?
"Women are born inferior"
Then how come Oprah and Martha Stewart are richer than you, Sandman? Where is your Nobel prize?You pulitzer? How many sick children have you soothed today?
"But they are good at learning/listening like apes to the teacher - we 'discovered'. Better than nothing."
Repeating something over and over doesnt make it true. You say that school is nothing but listening to a teacher. Then you say that people should listen to those who know mor- so what's wrong with listening to the teacher?
Can apes build robots? Can apes research the human genome? Can apes practice surgery on a cadaver?
It's not the only field at all, but its a field what can be measured precisely. Hence...
I choosed sport/games, because you have a ranking list at the end - based on facts and according abilities. Women don't even come close normally to men! Not even close, despite some of them really try! Why?
School is mostly about shoveling stuff into the memory. Not an interesting ability IMO.
"College students develop ..." - probably male ones in the lead.
How does an inability to play sports translate to inequality?
"School is mostly about shoveling stuff into the memory. Not an interesting ability"
Answer this question: how is a doctor supposed to perform medicine without learning it first? If not school where? & how, if not by remembering the facts about the humnan body?
"Answer this question: how is a doctor supposed to perform medicine without learning it first? If not school where? & how, if not by remembering the facts about the humnan body?"
He can't. But how does that help to verify your point, that women are equal to men?
have you forgotten our entire conversation thus far?
You said that women dont lead men in any field. I said they do, academics is one.
You said academics doesnt count because "school is nothing" but obviously, if professionals need to go to school, school *is* every bit as important as sports and women's success in academics is as important to society men's success in sports.
You have to surpass other applicants to get into undergraduate school. Then, you have to compete with your undergraduate class to get a spot in graduate school. Higher education is extremely competitive. More or as many women as men in a graduate school means that women are winning the competition:
"America's female college students study more, are more likely to read their textbooks thoroughly and to earn "A"s in their courses, and expect to graduate in less time than their male counterparts."
"Male students study one-third less than women, party more often, are more likely to earn a "C" or less in their courses, and expect to take longer to graduate, according to a nationwide study of 1,800 college students released today by Student Monitor. The study has a margin of error of +/- 2.3%"
The study was commissioned by the Association of American Publishers"
Male students are also more likely to do a better job when they graduate whether they paid attention in school or not. They make more money too because of it.
All your study proves is how much better men understand things. We can read 1/3 of the textbook and still pass the class....usualy with flying colors as well...some may earn a C but most won't.
Mens comprehension > womens comprehension
Ever tried to explain something to a woman? Like talking to a WALL. Like this debate actually
I did: academics was one. You dismiss it out of hand without a sound reason.
You have not provided "tons of examples" that show the majority of women to be unequal.
1. *you*, calmarcalmar, have refuted the idea that sports abilities make someone superior.
2. Male & Female athletes dont compete with each other on a regular basis. A very small amount of women do not prove the inequality of "all or the majority women" and sports does not determine inferiority.
we figured out, it's hard to verify the performance of 'academics'. (good for you, so you can live further in some illusions, IMHO).
Let's say theoretically: when no women at any sport/game is any good (compared to men), that means nothing to you? You can't determine some inferiority on their abilities?
"we figured out, it's hard to verify the performance of 'academics'"
Did we figure this out? I said that art & literature arent measured by points & numbers.
*Grades* are numbers. It *is* easy to measure academic ability . That's why we have scholarships and titles like "Magna Cum Laude" that's how we know that a Ph.D is a higher degree than a B.A.
"when no women at any sport/game is any good (compared to men), that means nothing to you? You can't determine some inferiority on their abilities?"
First off, theories arent applicable here. Some women are good. Very good.
Secondly, women being second place at sports doesnt mean much, because women have other abilities & though poker is fun, it really isnt that important.
Inferior abilities in sports doesnt determine inequality. It certainly doesnt make someone "useless".
Some are very good? An example please? Let's compare them to the 'very good' men.
Having inferior abilities does not make someone useless. Women can still do very nice stuff. But sometimes it's probably wise to see the own limits and listen - once in a while - to those who are better here and there. That's the whole point here btw. Not every men has the same abilities. Nobody cares. Unless a sucker (e.g. feminist) means he must rule others who could do it much better. That is bad/idiotic.
calmar, this is the basis of my whole argument here. You jump in here thinking that this is a battle of the sexes. I am saying that in human society, men and women need each other. Both have important tasks to complete in society and both are equally important. Sandman refutes that. He says women are useless,giant leeches, & whores who are good at nothing. I dont agree. Where do you stand?
"But sometimes it's probably wise to see the own limits and listen - once in a while - to those who are better here and there"
That goes both ways. If a woman is a doctor and her husband is a Grandmaster, he can go to her for medical advice and she can go to him and learn better chess methods. This is how men & women are equal. This is why we are both on this earth: to collaborate, to contribute, to help each other. That is equality- both have something special to offer.
"he can go to her for medical advice and she can go to him and learn better chess"
I would advice him to go to a male doctor - if it is a serious thing. Why? Because I would trust much more in them.
Weren't all difficult (new) operations being done by males? Just the idea a women-doc would make something 'new' and 'risky' frightens me. NOTE: new -> not yet learned like an ape in school.
maybe female doctors only covers the simple stuff?
Someone is probably the leader on a surgery - I would say - because he can out-perform everybody else on the most difficult stuff - what he finally does himself.
"maybe female doctors only covers the simple stuff?"
maybes dont mean nothing, baby.
And the leader has to be a 'he' because you say so? Some human beings are better than others because you say so? Sports are more important than every other branch of human endeavor because you say so?
And everyone on a surgery team has a crucial job- the anesthesiologist, cardiologist, pulmonologist or whatever they need. The leader isnt 'god', whether male or female.
"And the leader has to be a 'he' because you say so? "
I waited on that. ... and neither it's because you say so!!! Remeber that.
So also YOU provide facts now. We only have sports/games and schools there. Or more?
In sports/games men win normally clearly - you want fact? hundreds? thousands?. In school women win - because they put more effort into it IMO. And it's mostly shoveling stuff into the head anyway. But you win here, yep.
While women are not known to take the real hard stuff in school like physics etc. They prefer the stuff where they can get along with simply shoveling stuff into the head.
Women go to bullshit schools like "American career College" To be pharmacists and what not. Then claim they rule the pharmacy field.
Women don't rule the pharmacy field or any other field for that matter. Men invent the medice and men are the doctors. Women just work the counter. Women strive for mediocrity because they WANT to. No one is holding them back but themselves and Im tired of hearing them bitch about it.
Women in general. MOST women. 95% of women strive for mediocrity.
Just because a few women have tried and failed to achieve something great doesnt mean the other 95% do.
More women in graduate schools? Not by a large margin and again thats because women refuse to do any hard work. The men apply at the Gas and Electric companies, the water companies, construction. Many Men also run businesses without even getting degrees dear.
Have you seen Michael Phelps' training schedule? Do you know how much Michael Jordan practiced? Do you ever look at Usain Bolt's face while he's running?The man is straining every muscle in his body. Shoveling stuff into your head is a good thing. Putting effort into life is a good things. Men and women do both.
Thats just IT. Women don't put near as much effort into thier lives. Want proof? Of course you do.
More women in college right? Seeking easier nursing and pharmacy jobs. Women seek the easy air condidtioned jobs. The majority of Men seek higher education and lead the field of doctors and sceintists.
Women in GENERAL know they have an ATM machine right between their legs anyway and use Men to pay for their shit.
It doesn't matter if someone puts effort into something or not. But when you want to 'compare' they should put about the same effort into it.
Therefore you can't even really compare female and male students, because according to your cite, female students are more likely to read their textbooks.
"What do you have against learning, Calmar?"
Where I come from, we don't need school :p Can live without. That's something for nerds. That proves right quite often, btw and I learn only when I want.
So, where you live doctors dont learn meadicine?Pilots dont go to flight school? Teachers dont teach? You have no police force going to police academy? You have no professional engineers or scholars?
Who takes care of the mentally ill? who delivers babies? The poker players?
Just think about people living in mountains are some bit different and stubborn. They generally 'mistrust' new stuff. Well especially farmers I guess - they are most extreme. I like that actually. I respect them VERY much. But that's a complete other thing of course. May I better didn't have responded out of topic - since it's enough uncomfortable here with the comment-system.
What? Where did you get that from? I said it is *easy* to measure academic ability. I said that points are easy to measure but most fields (unlike sports and academics) dont have numerical grades.
How does that prove your point? What is your point? That most male poker players are better than female players? Okay. How does that translate to: Men are better than women?
ok, we have magna cum laude. No progress with verifying/proving that women are equal to men on that basis.
(I will forget now about that school is 'less' than real live.)
PS: in chess hundreds have "magna cum Laude" aka 'grand master'. To really know who's best they have to play championchips. The range between a GM and a GM can be huge!
"No progress with verifying/proving that women are equal to men on that basis"
Um- women are out-performing men in universities in the UK and US. Is that not progress? *poker* an indicator of superiority but performing heart surgery isnt?
LOL!
"I will forget now about that school is 'less' than real live"
School is not real life but Poker is? Football is? Chess is real life? Where do you live, on a tennis court? There's no three point line in an operating room!
'University-stuff' has to do with 99% learning stuff like an ape. That's assiduity basically. It's: "I always listen to the teacher and always learn at home and do my homework".
You win this, they are better here. You haven't moved yet anything with your Magnus Laudus, but well.
Someone with 'Magna Cum Laude' can be a mediocre doctor - a mediocre laywer. Or even a bad one. It means not much.
So please progress to prove that women are better academics.
Just to get into a good univeristy, a person has to be better than the thousands of other students who apply there. That's just to get *in* to the school.
Then you have to keep up with the assignments- not doing worksheets and spelling tests, but performing operations on cadavers, writing theses, internships and mock trials.
Women are *graduating*, meaning passing through these rigorous challenges more than men are.
"Women are *graduating*, meaning passing through these rigorous challenges more than men are."
A colleague from me has probably an IQ of 80-90. He can do nothing of that all. He is still much smarter and gets things done better and has way better opinions than many university-idiots. According to you that's impossible, since *graduating* means something serious.
Graduation is important, therefore anyone without a degree knows nothing?
Did I say that? No.
I say that passing through rigorous graduate programs demonstrates mental acumen.
I'm sure your friend is a nice person. I had a friend like that when I was little - she had disabilities that troubled her performance in school, but she had amazing intuition & thoughts.
But all doctors, lawyers, philosophers, teachers & engineers arent 'university idiots' & they arent all men either.
I made another point about Men dominating women in a field that takes strategy and thought....poker.
And you just go right back to your bullshit and try to downplay it.
Look, go outside and take a look at reality. Men are better than women at everything. Would you rather take your car to a male or female technician? Assuming you can even FIND one since women refuse to get their hands dirty.
Would you rather have a man or a woman operate on your heart?
Want MORE hard proof wimmin? POKER. Poker is purely a thinking game. And while women lie the most they certainly aren't the best or most creative about it.
Women SUCK at poker. They're fucking HORRIBLE. Annie Duke is about the only female worth mentioning and thats because she's the ONLY one that has ever even placed in any tournament.
Just like Danica Patrick. She SUCKS. She's a horrible driver that gets recognition PURELY because she has a vagina. That bitch ran someone over last year.
the probably best women, with some talet in poker, still suck.
They suck, because they don't just suck at poker, because that's about eberywhere the case. It's easy to see at all kind of games/sport, and more difficult at other stuff.
"How does not being good at poker or any other game establish inferiority?"
because when two tries something about equally hard (I assume that on poker), then the who is clearly worse, lacks obviously some abilities compared to the other.
And yes. Of course men who aren't good at sports (but really try it), are inferior on that kind of sports. Maybe they are good at some other stuff. When they are about nowhere good, like women, despite they really try, they have inferior abilities.
"because when two tries something about equally hard (I assume that on poker), then the who is clearly worse, lacks obviously some abilities compared to the other"
Does that lack of abilities make them a lesser human being? Dont their other abilities make them equal to that person?
If a person cant win at poker, but they can program a computer, fix someone's teeth or heal the sick- then they are just as good, just as important as someone who can win a hand of Texas Hold'em.
It's just the the total lack of appreciation of what men have done for the female gender that is so sickening. They're totally fine with benefiting from man's creations while touting themselves an 'independent women', but at the same time that notion is made void chiefly because their 'independence' relies heavily on a dependence of these very creations and benefits.
Male leukemia patients are dependent on drugs created by a women. Male cops and soldiers are dependent on the Kevlar vests that protect them from bullets. Male drivers depend on turn signals and windshield wipers created by women.
Your mother'spoor sick patients are dependent on her.Little boys are dependent on their mothers-
That's conjecture. Pulled out of thin air. A man didnt invent it. What does it matter if someone would have done it? They didnt. So the person who *did* do it matters.
That doesn't mean that *all single mothers raise criminals. It shows that most prison inmates were raised by single mothers. And once again Single parents make up 9% of the total U.S pouplation, so how would that prove that all women are inferior?
I am grateful for everything good in this world, whether created by men or women.
I would never degrade any nurse because they are doing a difficult, heart-rending job, whether they are a man or a women.
I have never claim that men who ruled countries & saved lives were "useless".
You degrade the work of females because they are females and only because they are females- not because they dont save lives. Not because they are bad people.But just because you don't like women.
again with "better" - a relative term that reflects an opinion. "Better" is an arbitrary measurement. Means nothing. How do you say which Nobel prize winner is better than another? Which saint is more saint like?
And how do the accomplishments of other men, make you superior to all women?
"better" *is a relative term. When you have two people who did exactly the same thing, which is better is a matter of opinion.
"Men are better than women"
Let's follow this logic:
If u think males are "better" than women
& you are a male
then you must think you are "better" than women
So far, you have dismissed women as inferior without qualification. Are there certain women who are inferior? Which ones? Why? What about the ones who aren't?
"'better' is not relative. You can normally measure performance."
Yes, you can measure performance when performance is measured by points & numbers. But whether Dickens is a better writer than Austen is a matter of opinion. How can you define which Nobel Prize winning chemist is "better" than the other?
"We don't talk here about emotions and/or feelings or what?"
Sandman doesn't like emotions. He insists that emotions distort judgement and get in the way of logic.
"Thanks for exploring what I must be etc. but it's about arguments and not about me"
I'm not sure what you're referring to here. Read the other posts and find your place in this argument. Sandman says that women are 'useless', 'whores', 'leeches'. I believe that men and women are equal. I have posted statistics about the fields that men and women excel in, respectively, listed historical figures of both genders and stated my own appreciation for the accomplishments of men. Read the posts.
1)Men dont do *all* the hard work in society. Women work in assembly lines, women do construction work, women are cops and soldiers-men & women both do *some of the hard work.
2)99.9% is pulled out of thin air. "would have" is conjecture. We have no idea who invented the wheel. Men developed the engine and brakes. Women developed the turn signal and the wipers. The cars we drive are amalgamations of parts put together by male & female workers.
1) *most* - and they make better soldiers etc. speaking about those having to risk their lives. How can women be better - fearing mize and spiders?? (I don't say all - it's a tendency)
Women are *cruel* at about every sport - many levels behind! Think about it.
2) "dunlop" invented something nice around the wheel.
Putting stuff together is not the same as to invent them in the first place. Women can do simple work, yep.
There would not even be a 'USA' without men exploring over the ocean.
calmarcalmar- I would never claim that women were "better" than men.Read the above posts. I believe the female gender is equal to the male gender not better.
"Women can do simple work, yep"
Yes. Simple.
Simple like developing an antifungal antibiotic? viewing the structure of DNA via x-ray crystallography? Analysing the vital signs of newborns?
Just tell me something where they lead or where they are at least even. Please provide examples which can be verified.
A *general* field. Not any single exception. And if possible, something what improves lives generally. E.g. not some nonsense business from women only for women.
I believe that men and women are equal. *Read the other posts*
"A *general* field. Not any single exception. And if possible, something what improves lives generally"
Academics, optometry and physical therapy are some that have *already been named*. By 2015, it is estimated that women will also outnumber men in the legal field. Males tend to lead in other fields like math,physics, and chemistry.
Note: to outnumber has nothing to do with out-perform, I hope we can agree here.
So you claim: women are better or equal academics than men?
How can academics be measured?
It's an obvious thing that men are there way advanced in general. I don't even know one notable women from these days, while you always hear about men making serious researches etc. Hm.
The most famous one, are about all male as well. We speak here generally. Hm.
So sorry, I don't get it here. Please explain further.
You seem to be arguing against an argument that I didnt make. You are asking questions about things we've already established -Sandman said that women were useless & had accomplished nothing.
He said men were superior in *every field. So I listed the fields where women are more prominent, winning more awards, earning more degrees *in those fields* to show that women have indeed contributed to society...
Now I would like some verifying examples of this statement.
The examples should have a direct competition between males and females.
Let's limit us to sports or serious games therefore. They cover many abilities - so for sure you can provide many examples where females can successfully directly compete with man.
thanks.
Chess is surely not among them. Nor, dart, backgammon, tennis, golf, shooting, etc etc
"The examples should have a direct competition between males and females"
No, they shouldnt. Because equality between people isnt measured by their ability to win. If women are deemed inferior because they cant win at sports, then men who arent athletic are inferior for the same reason.
The point is, sports/games cover many abilities. At least some women should be able to win here or there. Instead they are often worse by *levels*. How shall women be equal to man - when it's obvious they have no chance in direct competition? They about always make worse decisions, are less smart etc etc. -> generally inferior in abilities. I'm talking about abilities - things what have to get done etc - where they are inferior almost always.
First of all- there is no widespread competition between male and female athletes and never has been. Womens leagues were founded with 'easier' rules based on the *assumption* that all women are unable to play to the full. That being the case, how do we really know that all women are inferior?
In Germany is a show, where it's a 1:1 competition - the stuff you have to do ranges about everything. The folks choose twice a woman! Super-women! Extremely sportive for a women. Special-Unit of police etc! They had no fucking chance vs. the moderator. NO. that's why the folks don't choose women anymore to compete vs. the moderator (Raab) because it's boring.
Because its obvious. Because even a blind can see it. Because men score even better on the harder rules. Because when things are not split - women fail miserable quite often. Because when they would be good, they would try to earn some money. Recently was a women trying this - she had to play with men therefore and had no change - of course.
Probably the most sportive women DO make sport, and they fail miserably.
"Because its obvious. Because even a blind can see it"
A blind man couldnt play sports. Are seeing men better than him? Out of a small percentage of women who play sports an even smaller percentage have competed against men. How do they determine the worth of the majority of women?
How do you know if your sportive if youve never put effort into sports?
Women HAVE put effort into sports. Annika Sorenstam devoted her entire life to golf. And you know what? She couldnt play on the mens tour when she was at her best.
Not even close. She wouldnt even qualify.
Men dominate women in every single aspect of life. From birth till death. Men die first because they did all the damn work in life. They deal with more stress, manage issues much better, make more money, and die sooner.
...that was to establish that men and women make equal contributions.
Then, I took issue with Sandman's assertion that men are better than women because the accomplishments of a few men doesn't make the majority of men superior to the majority of women.
The majority of men arent Michael Jordan- is a man who cant swim superior to Dana Torres?Is an unathletic man superior to female olympic medalist?
I could say: put a female Chess Grandmaster up against a Male Chess Grandmaster. If she loses does it establish male superiority for the majority of males? Even the males who have never played chess? How?
Stephen Hawking has made one contribution to physics- that blackholes emit subatomic particles. That's important,but he doesnt run a country, he doesnt save lives.He didnt found the Red Cross, or program ENIAC. He didnt rescue 300 people from slavery. His accomplishment is very important, but more than an entire gender of people combined?
We are trying to find out, if male or female have generally more abilities. To do so, we (I) choosed sports, because there are clear rules and there is direct competition.
The needed abilities in sports about covers anything what is also important in real life - speaking about performance.
We figured out women are worse by levels normally.
Now you compare Einstein with Simpson and want to explain me what?
Are you ignoring all my arguments?Like Sandman, you reject my answers out of hand, wiht shoddy reasoning. Getting into the best colleges is extrememly competitive and graded. The ability to read criticially, perform surgery and interpret the law is taugh in schools. Those are everyday skills that are needed. The ability to punt & kick? How often does the average person- male or female- need those skills?
2. Winning at sports makes someone better than someone who doesnt
3. OJ Simpson could really win a football game. Einstein couldnt
4. Is Simpson "better" than Einstein? Men's accomplishments in sports do not make other men superior to female athletes. Female athletes make up a small section of women, so how do their accomplishments, or lack thereof, reflect on most women?
Lol. These are steps in logic, not essay questions.
Wait- how could 2 be wrong if 1 is right? You have equated sports abilities with superiority . Underneath the assertion that sports makes men better must be the assumption that sports abilities make someone better.
School is nothing. Women are often better at school because they give lot of effort into it. Real life is not 'repeating stuff you have memorized'. Basically.
If you weren't a misogynist, then why did her video offend you? It was directed towards MISOGYNISTS.
Please never procreate, though I'm sure that won't be difficult for you, or I should say for women who encounter you.
ImaginarYxGoddesS 3 months ago
is you a troll jimmay khouray?i think you be trollin'
toxiczombeh 5 months ago
Eww your ugly
Brit5792 9 months ago
Misandry creates misogyny where none existed.
If it weren't for feminist sociopaths relations between the sexes would be in a much better place today.
Truth be told, without the "evils of the patriarchy" to whine about these people would be absolutely nothing, so they have a vested interest in perpetuating this conflict.
morghanphoenix 10 months ago
@morghanphoenix Funny thing, misogyny existed long before feminism did. What accounted for it then?
MsMirrorMirror 9 months ago
haha trolled.
ohiogrinder 1 year ago
Fuck Feministing and the prideful, arrogant types who think they're the final authority on what all women think, who silence the dissenters (meaning they don't speak for women because they shut them up if they're not man-haters). To the author: don't apologize or be wishy-washy. It is clear that if women could solve their own problems we wouldn't have a "justice system" terrorized by feminazis. That is the objective proof, not subject to opinion. Men have to be held back for women to compete.
Lachdenan 1 year ago
Man, I was about to be all consoling and stuff and say "she wasn't talking about you."
But then you went on to show how she probably was talking about you.
DeenMoriarty 1 year ago
Men scientifically proven to be better?
Define better?
And men didn't 'create' science or whatever, it's that they didn't allow women to take part in science, and that is called patriarchy
MsBlackRose07 1 year ago
If men are so much better than women, why is his room such a mess?
MsMirrorMirror 2 years ago
@MsMirrorMirror It's because he doesn't mind it being that way.
didles123 1 year ago
@didles123 I rest my case.
MsMirrorMirror 1 year ago
@MsMirrorMirror You have no case. His room doesn't need to be to anyone's liking except his own.
Oh wait, I'm thinking with the perspective of a rational human being, aren't I?
If I were a feminist and not some evil man, I would k,now that no man can have his own room, he can only safeguard it until some woman chooses to occupy it. How could I have been so blind?!
didles123 1 year ago
@didles123 His little sty can be exactly as filthy as it pleases him to have it. AGREED! You can bet *I* won't be cleaning it up!
MsMirrorMirror 1 year ago
@MsMirrorMirror because men have more important things to do than clean their rooms. thats what women are for...
ohiogrinder 1 year ago
@ohiogrinder Good luck finding one, chump!
MsMirrorMirror 1 year ago
Your not a Mysogynist..That video rustled many feathers..
If anything..SHE is the Misandrist..
Nightshade323 2 years ago
with that being said i FUCKING HATE FEMINISM THAT BELITTLES MAN JUST FOR BEING A MAN IT MARKS MAN AS "GUILTY" AS "RAPIST" AS "DEAD BEAT DADS" AND SO MANY MORE THINGS THAT MAKE MAN FEEL BAD. I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVE MY POINT AND DISCUSS THIS FURTHER IF SOMEONE WISHES TO DEBATE ME.
gomelo2gt 2 years ago
u see its like a balance we as men give women what they dont have and they give us what we dont have so noone is better. we give women leadership protection guidence since we rationalize more than listen to our emotions thats why we are leaders.now women in the other hand gives us that love nurture that caring that men so desperately need they give us that emotional support (thats why men go to war and die for u ladies)
gomelo2gt 2 years ago
women have more fat in their body than they have muscle where men have more muscle then fat
men invented almost everything, wemon haven't invented a shred of what men have invented
women bleed from a whole called a vegina
men have a penis that doesn't and contains mostly muscle
almost everything you can see about men can explain that men are undoubtly better that women. when it comes to their past, present and future.
22193check 2 years ago
"A whole called a vegina." Really??? Come on, if you're going to make the classic case of "men do more than women" (so tired, by the way), then at least get the spelling right! You're making it too easy for me to make fun of you.
perpetualjive 2 years ago
Jeese give the guy a break. What's with all the meanness?
ViceroyBoss 2 years ago
i see ur point we however as men are NOT better than women for the simple fact that without women we would not exist. the fact is that we are equal nothing more nothing less but men however were design to be leaders and women their companions (not that being a leader means better we are equal as i said) thats why men have invented everything thats why we are stronger, we use our intellect more oppose to our emotions,
gomelo2gt 2 years ago
A vagina doesn't have musculature?? How do you think we push babies out of that little hole? You're an idiot but that comment was just hilarious.
hilby 2 years ago 2
@hilby, when you think about it, it's actually really really sad that some guy doesn't know that women have vaginal muscles. I feel a little bit sorry for the poor lonely guy.
MsMirrorMirror 2 years ago
Wow, I hope the next girl to give you a blow job bites off your dick...
You honestly don't deserve to have a penis...
All I have left to say is: FUCK YOU!
holtonb1 2 years ago 10
you sir, are a hero.
XInterMindedX 2 years ago
I"M SICK AND TIRED OF WOMENS BLEEDING ALL OVER
Lol, I love you
barrywinehousexp 2 years ago
oh god im going to assume your university age... so yeah... um... never let any girls you date see this video.
From a girl speaking both humorously and seriously...
You probably will NEVER get a blow job from any girlfriend you have after she see's you say something like this...( well at least not one with no teeth!)
dreamspacific 2 years ago
Hilarious. :)
utterlyherolike 2 years ago
Ok, see now I'm going to take up the feminist role, even though I myself am a man. Women are as capable as men at doing just about anything, the only thing they have above us is being able to actually help us reproduce. They can't do it without us, we can't do it without them. It's simply how we were made. So in essence, we are all equal. The problem is our the set of mind instilled in to the majority of the minds in the world... but then again, this is just my thought on the matter.
InsaneKamui 2 years ago
Lol I've beaten a lot of guys in fistfights before. It's not my fault. I just really truely deeply loathe the word 'bitch', especially when I'm called one if I simply walk down a sidewalk. Makes me slightly violent. Go figure.
yagi6993 2 years ago
You can tell this guy never gets laid. He looks like he's 14, chubby and has two caterpillars for eyebrows.
MrStankelstein 3 years ago
I love you for taking over the argument with this moron, but I beg you not to waist your time, as I did. He just repeats ignorant statements he's already made and says things that don't make any sense. And in the end he's just as much of a moron.
AbsolutelyLoveNY 3 years ago
he was talking about me, but thats ok. he's just upset because i can actually grow hair on my face. poor guy ._.
ZodplusOne 3 years ago
No, no. He was arguing with sandman3131, as I previously was, and I was telling him how futile it was.
AbsolutelyLoveNY 3 years ago
Yeah, no problem. I'm going to just let him be, although my comment about the chubbiness and whatnot was actually directed at the boy who made the video, LOL.
MrStankelstein 2 years ago
Yeah I know. Lol. I was just making it clear to the fucktard who made the video that I was talking about the argument the two of you were having and not the comment about him.
AbsolutelyLoveNY 2 years ago
Don't be judgemental. He may have a frustrating and depressing attitude towards women, (or is it sarcasm? i honestly can't tell) but it has nothing to do with his looks or whether or not he can 'get laid'.
yagi6993 2 years ago
You have a vagina and you're sticking up for this guy?
Oh wait, you're 15... never mind. Perhaps you'll grow a backbone once you hit puberty.
MrStankelstein 2 years ago
Men have a good radar to detect people smarter than what they are. They will accept/respect him as 'leader' where applicable - despite the physical size.
The same 'good working' radar tells them, that women about never deserves a leader position, because they have inferior abilities in many/almost all areas. Especially not in critical situations.
You don't want a relatively stupid as your leader, when you could do it better yourself, do you... that's natural and nothing evil by men.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Hahahaha awesome.
IthacaSkinhead 3 years ago
I woudln't call those studying physics/chemistry/mathematic etc. as 'university-idiots' btw. That's 'hard' meat and interesting :)
(I might be biased here)
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Also we have/had this mentality because we lived since ever here. Not like in the USA where some may just liked the mountains and moved therefore to there. That's a little different. The one have been forced to be there and got used to the live, others moved there for whatever reason.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"Meaning that if you took sick right *now* (I hope you dont)"
thx :)
Yep, I would have to go to a university-idiot. Not all are idiots so - it's a tendency I learned when I was on some higher school. learned = my impression.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
ok, that's what you have now:
"More or as many women as men in a graduate school means that women are winning the competition:
50% med school students
66.5% pharmacy students
52% law school students
77% physical therapy students
62.2% optometry students"
Is is possible, no fucking guy is interested in 'physical therapy'? Still it shall be a prove women are much better there, because there are much more?
That's what you mean?
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"shall be a prove women are much better there, because there are much more"
No, I mean that 77% of physical students who move beyond undergraduate school to occupy places in graduate school are women. These numbers show women surpassing the men in their ability to research these fields and perform the job necessary.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"No, I mean that 77% of physical students who move beyond undergraduate school to occupy places in graduate school are women. These numbers show women surpassing the men in their ability to research these fields and perform the job necessary."
So so, and when there have been, let's say, 90% females in 'undergraduate' and in graduate now 77%?
That would still prove that women are surpassing the men in their ability etc.?
Still out of scope what that 77% proves, unless guys are not interested.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
And you mean those guys learning 'physics, chemistry' couldn't get through the "physical therapy" school, if they wanted? (what they OF COURSE don't want, because it's probably fucking boring for them).
I consider 'physical therapy' as laughable easy compared to 'physics/chemisty'. Ok you have to shovel stuff into your head and remember it on tests. great.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
What is an academic? A 'Wissenschaftler' (a science-person). If yes, they tend to write clever books. I would take that a proof.
Most exciting clever scientific books are written by women?
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"'Wissenschaftler' (a science-person)"
I guess this is a translation problem. "Academic" in english means "pertaining to school"
"If yes, they tend to write clever books. I would take that a proof"
Writing a clever book is proof of male superiority? Einstein never wrote a book.
"Most exciting clever scientific books"
There books in the world have not been numbered. And 'exciting' is a matter of opinion. Kearns Goodwin, Mary Roach & Sarah Vowell write clever, exciting books.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
About the book, I meant an academic is someone writing scientific essays/books.
Anyway, now that I don't even know what a 'academic' is, we may could stop here arguing.
You have still your opinion based on the good school results of women in some areas and whatever good stuff that will bring in some years.
I see more sports/games, physics/mathe, chemistry, real (life) jobs out of school as things where you can prove 'abilities'. I see there men clearly in front.
thx for discussing so :)
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Still waiting for a prove that women are equal or better academics. I only saw percentages of students.
E.g. when you can say: most chief-surgeons are women - I would take that as a proof - because I would think they carefully select them and only hire the really very best.
Women are therefore the majority of chief-surgeons? I mean they are better in school, aren't they.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Still waiting for a prove that women are equal or better academics. I only saw percentages of students.
I want to see some 'performance' stuff so we can finally compare women and men - however you can measure that - but you said you can somehow.
E.g. when you can say: most chief-surgeons are women - I would take that as a proof - because I would think they carefully select them and only take the best-possible one. Are most chief-surgeons women?
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"Still waiting for a prove that women are equal or better academics. I only saw percentages of students"
You saw the percentages of female students who have surpassed male students.
No. Most chief surgeons are male. Chief surgery takes years of experience and there werent that many women pursuing surgery twenty or thirty years ago. That number will change in ten years & what will you say then?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
That the best surgeons will still be men. The most talented with the least fuck up ratio.
And the male surgeons will make more money too because of that.
sandman3131 3 years ago
So they say it's better in the USA compared to here - e.g. you can better fine-select where you're interested and where not. Anyway.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
This is gibberish. I am afraid I dont understand this at all.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Most people study like bees not because they are interested on all the crap, but because they 'fear' when they won't - its gonna end badly.
And that's our 'elite'. cool. Nerds. people without spines. (not all of course! Some tendency if you ask me)
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"if you ask me"
So, society should be goverend by what you think?
LOL. Academics is school. You would know that if you held a higher opinion of learning.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
prove that they lead in academics!
You only 'proved' they are good at school.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Sandman, you havent proven men better in *every*single*field yet.
"Its just the way God made it" First of all, since when is a best friend or companion naturally someone unequal to you?
"Women are born inferior"
Then how come Oprah and Martha Stewart are richer than you, Sandman? Where is your Nobel prize?You pulitzer? How many sick children have you soothed today?
The male gender is equal to the female gender.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
women obviously lack of these abilities - since they are mostly cruel at sports - despite many of them really try hard!
But they are good at learning/listening like apes to the teacher - we 'discovered'. Better than nothing.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"But they are good at learning/listening like apes to the teacher - we 'discovered'. Better than nothing."
Repeating something over and over doesnt make it true. You say that school is nothing but listening to a teacher. Then you say that people should listen to those who know mor- so what's wrong with listening to the teacher?
Can apes build robots? Can apes research the human genome? Can apes practice surgery on a cadaver?
So what part of college makes you like an ape?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Men are superior in every single field dear. Men created them and are still the best at them.
Women are born inferior. Its just the way God made it. Women are supposed to be Mens companions and best friends, not their equals.
sandman3131 3 years ago
many sports/games have to do with real live. You need various abilities.
self-critical
creative
good feeling of stuff being right/wrong
Learning from mistakes
discovering/evaluating new stuff by your own
judging others
body control
having nerves on competition
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
And? You believe that sports is the only field where you can learn right & wrong or how to judge others?
A student who operates on a cadaver demonstrates numerous abilites: a steady hand & a strong nerve. You learn from your mistakes in studying, too.
College students often develop new techology-creativity. Also, sports doesnt require knowledge of anything but how to play the game.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
It's not the only field at all, but its a field what can be measured precisely. Hence...
I choosed sport/games, because you have a ranking list at the end - based on facts and according abilities. Women don't even come close normally to men! Not even close, despite some of them really try! Why?
School is mostly about shoveling stuff into the memory. Not an interesting ability IMO.
"College students develop ..." - probably male ones in the lead.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"probably" "maybe" "I would say"
means what, exactly? again with your opinion?
"-its a field what can be measured precisely"
Academics, too.
How does an inability to play sports translate to inequality?
"School is mostly about shoveling stuff into the memory. Not an interesting ability"
Answer this question: how is a doctor supposed to perform medicine without learning it first? If not school where? & how, if not by remembering the facts about the humnan body?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"Answer this question: how is a doctor supposed to perform medicine without learning it first? If not school where? & how, if not by remembering the facts about the humnan body?"
He can't. But how does that help to verify your point, that women are equal to men?
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Ummm...
have you forgotten our entire conversation thus far?
You said that women dont lead men in any field. I said they do, academics is one.
You said academics doesnt count because "school is nothing" but obviously, if professionals need to go to school, school *is* every bit as important as sports and women's success in academics is as important to society men's success in sports.
And so men arent "superior in every field".
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
prove that they lead in academics!
You only 'proved' they are good at school.
(Because they lack special abilities but are 'busy as bees').
School != academic. At least the way I understand what 'academic' means.
Being better in school does not mean you will be a better academic.
Prove that female academics are as good as men.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
read quote below.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
exactly what I said: more likely to read their textbooks :) etc
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"Academics, too."
then do so. Provide facts that female academic perform as good as male one.
(forget about that there are so many female ones, that's out-numbering not out-performing).
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
You have to surpass other applicants to get into undergraduate school. Then, you have to compete with your undergraduate class to get a spot in graduate school. Higher education is extremely competitive. More or as many women as men in a graduate school means that women are winning the competition:
50% med school students
66.5% pharmacy students
52% law school students
77% physical therapy students
62.2% optometry students
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"America's female college students study more, are more likely to read their textbooks thoroughly and to earn "A"s in their courses, and expect to graduate in less time than their male counterparts."
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"Male students study one-third less than women, party more often, are more likely to earn a "C" or less in their courses, and expect to take longer to graduate, according to a nationwide study of 1,800 college students released today by Student Monitor. The study has a margin of error of +/- 2.3%"
The study was commissioned by the Association of American Publishers"
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Male students are also more likely to do a better job when they graduate whether they paid attention in school or not. They make more money too because of it.
All your study proves is how much better men understand things. We can read 1/3 of the textbook and still pass the class....usualy with flying colors as well...some may earn a C but most won't.
Mens comprehension > womens comprehension
Ever tried to explain something to a woman? Like talking to a WALL. Like this debate actually
sandman3131 3 years ago
you say women are equal to men - we provides tons of examples where this is absolutely not the case.
Be kind and provide us a single example where women can directly compete with men.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
I did: academics was one. You dismiss it out of hand without a sound reason.
You have not provided "tons of examples" that show the majority of women to be unequal.
1. *you*, calmarcalmar, have refuted the idea that sports abilities make someone superior.
2. Male & Female athletes dont compete with each other on a regular basis. A very small amount of women do not prove the inequality of "all or the majority women" and sports does not determine inferiority.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
we figured out, it's hard to verify the performance of 'academics'. (good for you, so you can live further in some illusions, IMHO).
Let's say theoretically: when no women at any sport/game is any good (compared to men), that means nothing to you? You can't determine some inferiority on their abilities?
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"we figured out, it's hard to verify the performance of 'academics'"
Did we figure this out? I said that art & literature arent measured by points & numbers.
*Grades* are numbers. It *is* easy to measure academic ability . That's why we have scholarships and titles like "Magna Cum Laude" that's how we know that a Ph.D is a higher degree than a B.A.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Academics covers as many fields assports does: medicine, law, philosophy, psychology, pharmaceutical medicine, veterinary medicine, nursing, physical therapy, plastic surgery, social work, history, anthropology, business.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"when no women at any sport/game is any good (compared to men), that means nothing to you? You can't determine some inferiority on their abilities?"
First off, theories arent applicable here. Some women are good. Very good.
Secondly, women being second place at sports doesnt mean much, because women have other abilities & though poker is fun, it really isnt that important.
Inferior abilities in sports doesnt determine inequality. It certainly doesnt make someone "useless".
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Some are very good? An example please? Let's compare them to the 'very good' men.
Having inferior abilities does not make someone useless. Women can still do very nice stuff. But sometimes it's probably wise to see the own limits and listen - once in a while - to those who are better here and there. That's the whole point here btw. Not every men has the same abilities. Nobody cares. Unless a sucker (e.g. feminist) means he must rule others who could do it much better. That is bad/idiotic.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"Some are very good? An example please? Let's compare them to the 'very good' men"
Compare Billy Jean King to Bobby Riggs.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"Women can still do very nice stuff"
calmar, this is the basis of my whole argument here. You jump in here thinking that this is a battle of the sexes. I am saying that in human society, men and women need each other. Both have important tasks to complete in society and both are equally important. Sandman refutes that. He says women are useless,giant leeches, & whores who are good at nothing. I dont agree. Where do you stand?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"But sometimes it's probably wise to see the own limits and listen - once in a while - to those who are better here and there"
That goes both ways. If a woman is a doctor and her husband is a Grandmaster, he can go to her for medical advice and she can go to him and learn better chess methods. This is how men & women are equal. This is why we are both on this earth: to collaborate, to contribute, to help each other. That is equality- both have something special to offer.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"he can go to her for medical advice and she can go to him and learn better chess"
I would advice him to go to a male doctor - if it is a serious thing. Why? Because I would trust much more in them.
Weren't all difficult (new) operations being done by males? Just the idea a women-doc would make something 'new' and 'risky' frightens me. NOTE: new -> not yet learned like an ape in school.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"Because I would trust much more in them"
So? Thats one opinion-yours.
According to statistics, female doctors in the US get sued less than male doctors. Obviously, the public trusts female doctors more.
Surgeries are performed by teams, not one doctor.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"NOTE: new -> not yet learned like an ape in school"
Lol.
New surgeries are often developed at university hospitals, where they study & practice medicine at the same time.
If you dont learn medicine in school, where do you learn it? While you are yanking out some poor guy's liver?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
maybe female doctors only covers the simple stuff?
Someone is probably the leader on a surgery - I would say - because he can out-perform everybody else on the most difficult stuff - what he finally does himself.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"maybe female doctors only covers the simple stuff?"
maybes dont mean nothing, baby.
And the leader has to be a 'he' because you say so? Some human beings are better than others because you say so? Sports are more important than every other branch of human endeavor because you say so?
And everyone on a surgery team has a crucial job- the anesthesiologist, cardiologist, pulmonologist or whatever they need. The leader isnt 'god', whether male or female.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"And the leader has to be a 'he' because you say so? "
I waited on that. ... and neither it's because you say so!!! Remeber that.
So also YOU provide facts now. We only have sports/games and schools there. Or more?
In sports/games men win normally clearly - you want fact? hundreds? thousands?. In school women win - because they put more effort into it IMO. And it's mostly shoveling stuff into the head anyway. But you win here, yep.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
While women are not known to take the real hard stuff in school like physics etc. They prefer the stuff where they can get along with simply shoveling stuff into the head.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Women go to bullshit schools like "American career College" To be pharmacists and what not. Then claim they rule the pharmacy field.
Women don't rule the pharmacy field or any other field for that matter. Men invent the medice and men are the doctors. Women just work the counter. Women strive for mediocrity because they WANT to. No one is holding them back but themselves and Im tired of hearing them bitch about it.
sandman3131 3 years ago
"Men invent the medice and men are the doctors"
Women invented:
the home diabetes test
kidney transplant meds
heart transplant catheters
drug 6-mercaptopurine
the Apgar scale
Half of doctors are women.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"Women strive for mediocrity because they WANT to."
So, Benazhir Bhutto ran for President of Pakistan because she wanted to be mediocre?Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf ran because she wanted mediocrity?
More women than men in graduate schools, but women (which women?) strive for mediocrity?
Did I say men hold women back? Did I say that at all?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Women in general. MOST women. 95% of women strive for mediocrity.
Just because a few women have tried and failed to achieve something great doesnt mean the other 95% do.
More women in graduate schools? Not by a large margin and again thats because women refuse to do any hard work. The men apply at the Gas and Electric companies, the water companies, construction. Many Men also run businesses without even getting degrees dear.
sandman3131 3 years ago
And men invented EVERYTHING else dear. You get a list that you can count on your fingers versus all of recorded history.
Men are better than women.
Half the doctors are women? NO. And the male doctors are better than the female ones. They will make more money too.
sandman3131 3 years ago
"Shoveling stuff into your head"
What do you have against learning, Calmar?
"because they put more effort into it"
Um...
So, men dont put effort into sports?
Have you seen Michael Phelps' training schedule? Do you know how much Michael Jordan practiced? Do you ever look at Usain Bolt's face while he's running?The man is straining every muscle in his body. Shoveling stuff into your head is a good thing. Putting effort into life is a good things. Men and women do both.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Thats just IT. Women don't put near as much effort into thier lives. Want proof? Of course you do.
More women in college right? Seeking easier nursing and pharmacy jobs. Women seek the easy air condidtioned jobs. The majority of Men seek higher education and lead the field of doctors and sceintists.
Women in GENERAL know they have an ATM machine right between their legs anyway and use Men to pay for their shit.
sandman3131 3 years ago
It doesn't matter if someone puts effort into something or not. But when you want to 'compare' they should put about the same effort into it.
Therefore you can't even really compare female and male students, because according to your cite, female students are more likely to read their textbooks.
"What do you have against learning, Calmar?"
Where I come from, we don't need school :p Can live without. That's something for nerds. That proves right quite often, btw and I learn only when I want.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
So, where you live doctors dont learn meadicine?Pilots dont go to flight school? Teachers dont teach? You have no police force going to police academy? You have no professional engineers or scholars?
Who takes care of the mentally ill? who delivers babies? The poker players?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"So, where you live doctors dont learn meadicine?"
We lived without any that crap you mentioned above. From pilot to police.
(Don't take that too serious - it's a mountain area - with lots of stubborn people. I hope you get the idea. It's more a mentality.)
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Yes. We have people like that in America. We call them Hillbillies.
"We lived without any that crap you mentioned above."
You 'lived'. Meaning that if you took sick right *now* (I hope you dont) someone would take you to some "university-idiot"
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
While "Hillbillies" is quite negative I guess :)
Just think about people living in mountains are some bit different and stubborn. They generally 'mistrust' new stuff. Well especially farmers I guess - they are most extreme. I like that actually. I respect them VERY much. But that's a complete other thing of course. May I better didn't have responded out of topic - since it's enough uncomfortable here with the comment-system.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
all fields hard to measure, if men are women are better ;) cool idea. Helps proving the point.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"all fields hard to measure"
What? Where did you get that from? I said it is *easy* to measure academic ability. I said that points are easy to measure but most fields (unlike sports and academics) dont have numerical grades.
How does that prove your point? What is your point? That most male poker players are better than female players? Okay. How does that translate to: Men are better than women?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"Magna Cum Laude"
ok, we have magna cum laude. No progress with verifying/proving that women are equal to men on that basis.
(I will forget now about that school is 'less' than real live.)
PS: in chess hundreds have "magna cum Laude" aka 'grand master'. To really know who's best they have to play championchips. The range between a GM and a GM can be huge!
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"No progress with verifying/proving that women are equal to men on that basis"
Um- women are out-performing men in universities in the UK and US. Is that not progress? *poker* an indicator of superiority but performing heart surgery isnt?
LOL!
"I will forget now about that school is 'less' than real live"
School is not real life but Poker is? Football is? Chess is real life? Where do you live, on a tennis court? There's no three point line in an operating room!
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
'University-stuff' has to do with 99% learning stuff like an ape. That's assiduity basically. It's: "I always listen to the teacher and always learn at home and do my homework".
You win this, they are better here. You haven't moved yet anything with your Magnus Laudus, but well.
Someone with 'Magna Cum Laude' can be a mediocre doctor - a mediocre laywer. Or even a bad one. It means not much.
So please progress to prove that women are better academics.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Just to get into a good univeristy, a person has to be better than the thousands of other students who apply there. That's just to get *in* to the school.
Then you have to keep up with the assignments- not doing worksheets and spelling tests, but performing operations on cadavers, writing theses, internships and mock trials.
Women are *graduating*, meaning passing through these rigorous challenges more than men are.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"Women are *graduating*, meaning passing through these rigorous challenges more than men are."
A colleague from me has probably an IQ of 80-90. He can do nothing of that all. He is still much smarter and gets things done better and has way better opinions than many university-idiots. According to you that's impossible, since *graduating* means something serious.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Graduation is important, therefore anyone without a degree knows nothing?
Did I say that? No.
I say that passing through rigorous graduate programs demonstrates mental acumen.
I'm sure your friend is a nice person. I had a friend like that when I was little - she had disabilities that troubled her performance in school, but she had amazing intuition & thoughts.
But all doctors, lawyers, philosophers, teachers & engineers arent 'university idiots' & they arent all men either.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
I made another point about Men dominating women in a field that takes strategy and thought....poker.
And you just go right back to your bullshit and try to downplay it.
Look, go outside and take a look at reality. Men are better than women at everything. Would you rather take your car to a male or female technician? Assuming you can even FIND one since women refuse to get their hands dirty.
Would you rather have a man or a woman operate on your heart?
sandman3131 3 years ago
"I made another point about Men dominating women in a field that takes strategy and thought....poker"
And does the ability to play poker make someone a superior human being?
"Would you rather have a man or a woman operate on your heart?"
I'd rather have someone who knew what they were doing. And surgeries are performed in groups, which include men as well as women.
Besides, since women are the ones studying the human body nowadays,you soon wont have a choice. Most dr.s will be women.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Want MORE hard proof wimmin? POKER. Poker is purely a thinking game. And while women lie the most they certainly aren't the best or most creative about it.
Women SUCK at poker. They're fucking HORRIBLE. Annie Duke is about the only female worth mentioning and thats because she's the ONLY one that has ever even placed in any tournament.
Just like Danica Patrick. She SUCKS. She's a horrible driver that gets recognition PURELY because she has a vagina. That bitch ran someone over last year.
sandman3131 3 years ago
1. Most women never play poker.
2. Most women never race cars.
How does 'sucking' at poker prove that all or a majority of women are inferior?
How is Danica Patrick representative of the worth of the majority of females?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
the probably best women, with some talet in poker, still suck.
They suck, because they don't just suck at poker, because that's about eberywhere the case. It's easy to see at all kind of games/sport, and more difficult at other stuff.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Yall arent answering this question, let me rephrase:
How does not being good at poker or any other game establish inferiority?
And if that were true,wouldnt that also mean that men who arent good at sports are also inferior to male athletes?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"How does not being good at poker or any other game establish inferiority?"
because when two tries something about equally hard (I assume that on poker), then the who is clearly worse, lacks obviously some abilities compared to the other.
And yes. Of course men who aren't good at sports (but really try it), are inferior on that kind of sports. Maybe they are good at some other stuff. When they are about nowhere good, like women, despite they really try, they have inferior abilities.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"because when two tries something about equally hard (I assume that on poker), then the who is clearly worse, lacks obviously some abilities compared to the other"
Does that lack of abilities make them a lesser human being? Dont their other abilities make them equal to that person?
If a person cant win at poker, but they can program a computer, fix someone's teeth or heal the sick- then they are just as good, just as important as someone who can win a hand of Texas Hold'em.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
It's just the the total lack of appreciation of what men have done for the female gender that is so sickening. They're totally fine with benefiting from man's creations while touting themselves an 'independent women', but at the same time that notion is made void chiefly because their 'independence' relies heavily on a dependence of these very creations and benefits.
sandman3131 3 years ago
Male leukemia patients are dependent on drugs created by a women. Male cops and soldiers are dependent on the Kevlar vests that protect them from bullets. Male drivers depend on turn signals and windshield wipers created by women.
Your mother'spoor sick patients are dependent on her.Little boys are dependent on their mothers-
Men and women depend on each other.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
You could take away everything women invented and society would be JUST fine. A man would have invented it anyway.
Little boys need thier FATHERS...70% of prisoners are from single mothers. More hard evidence for you.
sandman3131 3 years ago
"a man would have invented it anyway"
That's conjecture. Pulled out of thin air. A man didnt invent it. What does it matter if someone would have done it? They didnt. So the person who *did* do it matters.
That doesn't mean that *all single mothers raise criminals. It shows that most prison inmates were raised by single mothers. And once again Single parents make up 9% of the total U.S pouplation, so how would that prove that all women are inferior?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
I am grateful for everything good in this world, whether created by men or women.
I would never degrade any nurse because they are doing a difficult, heart-rending job, whether they are a man or a women.
I have never claim that men who ruled countries & saved lives were "useless".
You degrade the work of females because they are females and only because they are females- not because they dont save lives. Not because they are bad people.But just because you don't like women.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
You are using you emotions and feelings instead of absorbing the FACTS.
Men do the HARD work in society.
Men invent nearly EVERYTHING.
Men do every job women do BETTER.
Woman soak up the clerk and nurse jobs because they WANT to. NO ONE is holding women back but themselves.
Men and women are absolutely not equal. Not even close.
sandman3131 3 years ago
I am using emotions and feelings?
You are swearing and using twenty exclamation points at a time. You are flinging hateful epithets, typing in caps- obviously, you are upset.
I'm cool,man. I see this as an exercise in logical debate. I know the facts of history,science and literature. And I dont hate you at all.
Men obviously don't do "everything". If one woman invented one thing- it still would disprove the assertion that men "invented everything"
Women invented alot of things.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"Men do every job women do BETTER"
again with "better" - a relative term that reflects an opinion. "Better" is an arbitrary measurement. Means nothing. How do you say which Nobel prize winner is better than another? Which saint is more saint like?
And how do the accomplishments of other men, make you superior to all women?
Women aren't being held back at all.
They are equal with men. Spread love, not hate.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
No its NOT a relative term. Men do a better job at every profession. EVERY ONE.
I never said that I was superior to all women. YOU are trying to imply that.
I said that the sexes are absolutely NOT equal and that men are better than women in every field. And thats the truth.
sandman3131 3 years ago
"better" *is a relative term. When you have two people who did exactly the same thing, which is better is a matter of opinion.
"Men are better than women"
Let's follow this logic:
If u think males are "better" than women
& you are a male
then you must think you are "better" than women
So far, you have dismissed women as inferior without qualification. Are there certain women who are inferior? Which ones? Why? What about the ones who aren't?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
'better' is not relative. You can normally measure performance. We don't talk here about emotions and/or feelings or what?
Still waiting on stuff where women perform better or at least even to men. A more or less general area, what has some value even. Or some sport.
Thanks for exploring what I must be etc. but it's about arguments and not about me.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"'better' is not relative. You can normally measure performance."
Yes, you can measure performance when performance is measured by points & numbers. But whether Dickens is a better writer than Austen is a matter of opinion. How can you define which Nobel Prize winning chemist is "better" than the other?
"We don't talk here about emotions and/or feelings or what?"
Sandman doesn't like emotions. He insists that emotions distort judgement and get in the way of logic.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"Thanks for exploring what I must be etc. but it's about arguments and not about me"
I'm not sure what you're referring to here. Read the other posts and find your place in this argument. Sandman says that women are 'useless', 'whores', 'leeches'. I believe that men and women are equal. I have posted statistics about the fields that men and women excel in, respectively, listed historical figures of both genders and stated my own appreciation for the accomplishments of men. Read the posts.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
I have spoken to you in that manner because you keep ignoring facts.
1.Men do all the hard work in society (ignored)
2.Men invented 99.9% of everything you use.
you can have windshield wipers..big deal. Men invented the engine and wheel and the car. We would have put wipers on it.
3.Men and women are not equal and I have given you plenty of proof.
No I don't hate you. Not at all. I just want you to wake up. Life isn't fair and the sexes are not equal.
sandman3131 3 years ago
1)Men dont do *all* the hard work in society. Women work in assembly lines, women do construction work, women are cops and soldiers-men & women both do *some of the hard work.
2)99.9% is pulled out of thin air. "would have" is conjecture. We have no idea who invented the wheel. Men developed the engine and brakes. Women developed the turn signal and the wipers. The cars we drive are amalgamations of parts put together by male & female workers.
Equal male and female workers.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
1) *most* - and they make better soldiers etc. speaking about those having to risk their lives. How can women be better - fearing mize and spiders?? (I don't say all - it's a tendency)
Women are *cruel* at about every sport - many levels behind! Think about it.
2) "dunlop" invented something nice around the wheel.
Putting stuff together is not the same as to invent them in the first place. Women can do simple work, yep.
There would not even be a 'USA' without men exploring over the ocean.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
calmarcalmar- I would never claim that women were "better" than men.Read the above posts. I believe the female gender is equal to the male gender not better.
"Women can do simple work, yep"
Yes. Simple.
Simple like developing an antifungal antibiotic? viewing the structure of DNA via x-ray crystallography? Analysing the vital signs of newborns?
Yes. Simple.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
"There would not even be a 'USA' without men exploring over the ocean"
America was discovered when tribes of people came across the bering strait in search of food. The explorers were latecomers.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
I claim they are worse at many stuff.
Just tell me something where they lead or where they are at least even. Please provide examples which can be verified.
A *general* field. Not any single exception. And if possible, something what improves lives generally. E.g. not some nonsense business from women only for women.
Should be easy for you, according to you.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
I believe that men and women are equal. *Read the other posts*
"A *general* field. Not any single exception. And if possible, something what improves lives generally"
Academics, optometry and physical therapy are some that have *already been named*. By 2015, it is estimated that women will also outnumber men in the legal field. Males tend to lead in other fields like math,physics, and chemistry.
Men and women are equal.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Note: to outnumber has nothing to do with out-perform, I hope we can agree here.
So you claim: women are better or equal academics than men?
How can academics be measured?
It's an obvious thing that men are there way advanced in general. I don't even know one notable women from these days, while you always hear about men making serious researches etc. Hm.
The most famous one, are about all male as well. We speak here generally. Hm.
So sorry, I don't get it here. Please explain further.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
It's very difficult to measure academics, because they often won't have direct competition.
Everywhere with some direct competition in some way would be a good comparison. Like in sports/games where women are lost by levels? Hm.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
ok, make things easy:
sports/games about covers many possible abilities.
Tell me some where women can compete with men.
You can't measure the other stuff, you're right. Let's forget about them.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
What is your position exactly?
You seem to be arguing against an argument that I didnt make. You are asking questions about things we've already established -Sandman said that women were useless & had accomplished nothing.
He said men were superior in *every field. So I listed the fields where women are more prominent, winning more awards, earning more degrees *in those fields* to show that women have indeed contributed to society...
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
you said that women are about equal to men.
Now I would like some verifying examples of this statement.
The examples should have a direct competition between males and females.
Let's limit us to sports or serious games therefore. They cover many abilities - so for sure you can provide many examples where females can successfully directly compete with man.
thanks.
Chess is surely not among them. Nor, dart, backgammon, tennis, golf, shooting, etc etc
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"The examples should have a direct competition between males and females"
No, they shouldnt. Because equality between people isnt measured by their ability to win. If women are deemed inferior because they cant win at sports, then men who arent athletic are inferior for the same reason.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
The point is, sports/games cover many abilities. At least some women should be able to win here or there. Instead they are often worse by *levels*. How shall women be equal to man - when it's obvious they have no chance in direct competition? They about always make worse decisions, are less smart etc etc. -> generally inferior in abilities. I'm talking about abilities - things what have to get done etc - where they are inferior almost always.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
First of all- there is no widespread competition between male and female athletes and never has been. Womens leagues were founded with 'easier' rules based on the *assumption* that all women are unable to play to the full. That being the case, how do we really know that all women are inferior?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Especially considering that the number of women who actually compete in sports is tiny compared to the number of women total.
And how is it that losing at sports proves you are "less smart", but graduating with high honors from an Ivy league school doesnt prove anything?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
In Germany is a show, where it's a 1:1 competition - the stuff you have to do ranges about everything. The folks choose twice a woman! Super-women! Extremely sportive for a women. Special-Unit of police etc! They had no fucking chance vs. the moderator. NO. that's why the folks don't choose women anymore to compete vs. the moderator (Raab) because it's boring.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Thats a few women in Germany. How does it establish the inferiority of all or the majority of women?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Because its obvious. Because even a blind can see it. Because men score even better on the harder rules. Because when things are not split - women fail miserable quite often. Because when they would be good, they would try to earn some money. Recently was a women trying this - she had to play with men therefore and had no change - of course.
Probably the most sportive women DO make sport, and they fail miserably.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
"Because its obvious. Because even a blind can see it"
A blind man couldnt play sports. Are seeing men better than him? Out of a small percentage of women who play sports an even smaller percentage have competed against men. How do they determine the worth of the majority of women?
How do you know if your sportive if youve never put effort into sports?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Women HAVE put effort into sports. Annika Sorenstam devoted her entire life to golf. And you know what? She couldnt play on the mens tour when she was at her best.
Not even close. She wouldnt even qualify.
Men dominate women in every single aspect of life. From birth till death. Men die first because they did all the damn work in life. They deal with more stress, manage issues much better, make more money, and die sooner.
sandman3131 3 years ago
...that was to establish that men and women make equal contributions.
Then, I took issue with Sandman's assertion that men are better than women because the accomplishments of a few men doesn't make the majority of men superior to the majority of women.
The majority of men arent Michael Jordan- is a man who cant swim superior to Dana Torres?Is an unathletic man superior to female olympic medalist?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Take a bunch of male and a bunch of female professional ones. Then compare them. That should be fair enough.
Any sport/game?
I continue: curling, go, athletics, triathlon, bowling, billard
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
I could say: put a female Chess Grandmaster up against a Male Chess Grandmaster. If she loses does it establish male superiority for the majority of males? Even the males who have never played chess? How?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Why should athletic skill be the defining skill? Because you say so?
Because if it was, then men like Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking would be considered unequal with men like OJ Simpson.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Stephen Hawking is smarter and has contributed MORE to mankind than ALL women combined.
Refute that. PLEASE.
sandman3131 3 years ago
"Refute that. PLEASE"
Sure, if you want me to.
Stephen Hawking has made one contribution to physics- that blackholes emit subatomic particles. That's important,but he doesnt run a country, he doesnt save lives.He didnt found the Red Cross, or program ENIAC. He didnt rescue 300 people from slavery. His accomplishment is very important, but more than an entire gender of people combined?
Not really.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
Dear SpeaksofRiver,
We are trying to find out, if male or female have generally more abilities. To do so, we (I) choosed sports, because there are clear rules and there is direct competition.
The needed abilities in sports about covers anything what is also important in real life - speaking about performance.
We figured out women are worse by levels normally.
Now you compare Einstein with Simpson and want to explain me what?
You can also draw circles into the air...
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Dear CalmarCalmar,
Are you ignoring all my arguments?Like Sandman, you reject my answers out of hand, wiht shoddy reasoning. Getting into the best colleges is extrememly competitive and graded. The ability to read criticially, perform surgery and interpret the law is taugh in schools. Those are everyday skills that are needed. The ability to punt & kick? How often does the average person- male or female- need those skills?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
P.S CalmarCalmar,
Your logic:
1.Winning at sports makes men superior to women
2. Winning at sports makes someone better than someone who doesnt
3. OJ Simpson could really win a football game. Einstein couldnt
4. Is Simpson "better" than Einstein? Men's accomplishments in sports do not make other men superior to female athletes. Female athletes make up a small section of women, so how do their accomplishments, or lack thereof, reflect on most women?
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
1. yes
2. no
3. yes
4. no
calmarcalmar 3 years ago
Lol. These are steps in logic, not essay questions.
Wait- how could 2 be wrong if 1 is right? You have equated sports abilities with superiority . Underneath the assertion that sports makes men better must be the assumption that sports abilities make someone better.
SpeaksofRivers 3 years ago
School is nothing. Women are often better at school because they give lot of effort into it. Real life is not 'repeating stuff you have memorized'. Basically.
calmarcalmar 3 years ago