His partner needs to learn how to hold a pad. He's liable to break something holding it like that. And it does nothing to help develop the kicker's stopping power either.
It is flashy and fun to watch, but I don't see it being as effective an application outside of a controlled environment: lets not bring MMA into the discussion. We all study martial arts for one reason or another, but the ultimately reality is that whatever we are learning has the potential to be put to real use, in an uncontrolled situation riddled with unpredictable variables. Step kicks and flurries look amazing in these videos, but are about as effective as mouse farts on the street
this guy surely learned thai boxing and/or ju jutsu before. it looks good, however I doubt that it will work as accurately as in this film in a real cagefight situation.
@oguzhanKhan Well, I'm sure in a cage fight you aren't allowed to punch to throat, or kick out the kneecap, or dislocate the elbow...which a lot of the techniques in Wing Tsun do
@SOCOMSoldier01 you even may punch to the throat in boxing and kick out the kneecap in thai boxing. it just doesn't work. Noone will raise his chin so you can punch the throat and how do you kick out the kneecap?? Disloc. elbows is allowed (but u may tap before :). If you don't see it in mma it simply doesn't work (against trained opponents). Sure not everythign is allowed, but u want to keep the contenders healthy. So you can't manipulate small joints or gouge the eyes or so...
@oooBASTIooo I think we have to determine the difference between ring and street, it's too easy to maintain that if it doesn't work in the ring, it won't in the street. It's simply not the case. I've seen people who as you state aren't trained, get clocked because they got caught in the chin etc. I guess, some styles lend themselves well to the ring environment, and others don't. I'm a firm believer in the concept of their being something useful everywhere, just have to look for it. :)
@Jude2Mahoney you're right, there is something useful everywhere... it depends on how much your training is embedded in you sub-conscious. When you get into a street fight you won't be able to think... if you trained just for the ring, you forget that you can poke eyes, kick groins, pick up weapons... you forget that the person(s) might be intoxicated and not feel a thing... so really... it should be you can't do 'that' in the ring but you should on the street.
@SOCOMSoldier01 Actually the only one of these not allowed in UFC is throat strikes. I guess you've not seen much MMA, as arm bars and kimuras are used extensively, both of which can and do cause damage to elbows, arms, and shoulders. Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia's arm with an arm bar and won the UFC heavyweight championship a few years ago.
i dont say this often but great video! its rare to see someone who is actually good at this style. most people i have seen even the self-proclaimed experts just arent t hat good. i would actually take lessons from this guy....bra-freakin-vo.
@xwalshyx - UFC is just a promotion company. Wing Chun alone wouldn't work in the cage. The WC practitioner would have to learn Muay-Thai and grappling to be successful. The WC practitioner would also need to condition Thai style or risk serious injury and/or death.
The true MMA is knowing more than one martial arts style. Mixed Martial Arts means you learn different styles and mix it up for yourself, giving you diverse abilities that pure martial artists may not have.
If you mean MMA as just a ring sport, not as a principle, then perhaps you are right.
@xXKrajisnikXx the best combination for contact sport competition obiding ufc tournament rules is thai kickboxing and submission wrestling. in my opinion the best combination for real life combat and street fighting defense would be a mixture of jeet kune do striking and trapping with traditional japanese jiu jitsu defenses, takedowns and joint locks. it is made sure my students distinguish sport from defense, example from throwing jab-cross or, and eye strike-throat strike.
i wanna get taught by this sifu, it looks like he teaches you shit that might actually occurr in a real fight and how to counter, btw whats the difference between wing chun and ving tsun?
@hiphoplivs The differences are lineage. Leung Ting (Wing Tsun) started it all in 1967 when he made his own system. He made a ranking structure and everyone laughed at him. Soon enough however, everyone followed suit and even copied Leung Ting. To go so far as to call there instructor's technicians as leung ting does. Its a bit rediculous. Wing Chun is just what is was called therefore you hear more of that. VT is usually emin boztepe style. VC moy yat, and you can look it all up.
@GraveyIsNice ya, and then people would be crippled and possibly dead far too frequently. Go look up the fight where the guy in the gi puts another guy in a crucifix on the ground and literally elbows him like 9 times in about 3 seconds on the top of the head. I'm pretty sure you can't do that anymore for a reason.
"Martial" (meaning, "militaristic or combat") "Art" ("expression of") is all about damage, and or killing another person (for battlefields or self-defense). All the self improvement, and philosophy bullshit came from Kung Fu movies and the new Xiaolin Temple (the original was burned down in 1641). True martial arts, is and always has been, about inflicting damage, for either self-defense or battlefield killing techniques.
@Tommy9834 That is true to a large extent. However in traditional Chinese Wing Tsun we have an important philosophical aspect. As a Master I teach these things with equal importance to the fighting techniques so that we can all understand how to live in harmony with other living beings/creatures. I insist that my students write this down in my lectures.
@Tommy9834 So by your logic, Raping a person is Martial Arts, Mass Murder is Martial arts, Shooting someone in the head is Martial Arts, being a serial killer is martial arts, etc.
@peijunior7895 i call bull shit bro, martial arts are for killing they aint to look pretty and be a fag, they are to smash your opponent into the ground
god damnit you got my respect sifu ... wow you have stunning skills... i also train wing tsun and mma , this video gave me a lot of ideas in how to improve my wing tsun in free fight! Thank you!!
What I've noticed is that the arts that stand out the most are the ones that focus more on sparring. In my opinion it makes a big deal because sparring conditions the body and mind into real fighting. That's why average boxers, mui thai, and karate practicioners are a bit better prepared than others. I honestly believe sparring is more effective than practicing katas/forms. Please share your thoughts. Cheers
may be you already received this post, but i don't see my previous one on the page!
i perfectly agree with you, also according to me the only way to learn to fight is fight!
without a continuosly testing i think one is tempted to include always more complicated and fantastic monouvres with a cooperative partner, beliving that stuff could work in a real situation... only my opinion...
I agree with you. But, if you are a martial artist katas could be like sparring. If you visualize the opponent infront of you, you can see aspects of a fight that you never could in a real fight, perhaps because some moves are not used in most of the fights and so on.
@MrSinantra some arts don't spar because they're not sports. Take Harimou Silat for example. If you were to do any of the stuff that you're tought correctly you'd either damge someone so bad that they would need a lot of surgery and it still would be good, or you'd kill the guy. Some martial arts that are taught aren't sports and they really are used for killing people. You don't want to spar and really hurt someone who's your friend do you?
@apercussionist91 Your arguement is compeltely flawed to the point that if you are a martial artist, and you are training from someone else (a master) that told you this similar concept, then you might have been robbed of your money (Mcdojo). Think about it, what you said may make sense at first, but think about it harder. How do you know t any of he techniques work, if you never tried it for yourself?
@todei79 No, the reason why there is no sparring in many traditional martial arts is because they have movements like kicking the balls, attacks against the throat or poking the eye which you can't use in sparring because only one person would leave the sparring session alive. Sparring is just possible in sports with point systems like boxing, kickboxing, muay thai and so on. But Wing Chun has something called Chi Sao which you could compare to sparring in modern sports.
@tsi2568 - The reason most traditional martial-arts do no have sparring is because most people do not want to spar. Many McDojo's are interested in making money more than producing great fighters. Sure they teach "some defense" most of which is useless unless you learn how/when to use it.
If a club does not spar and does not have real fighters than I would caution against attending it.
@tsi2568 No sparring in traditional martial arts is cause only those who don't wanna spar , go there. How can be one a martial artist without sparring? He can only a martial art PRACTITIONER>
@tsi2568 truthfully wing chun sparring is essential, if you dont youll never learn your ranges. I personally train wing chun and sparring really pushes your skill to the next level. It teaches you how to handle someone whos not compliant and it teaches you how to close the gap which Is a problem which many traditional no sparring wing chunners run into. Usually trying to run in a pak a punch that hasnt come yet. And Chi sao is not sparring its a sensitivity drill doing both really builds skill
@todei79 yes i agree with what you say about sparring. it can better prepare you for the ring. but sparring in no way will prepare you for the street. escrima serrada and jeet kune do i think are the best styles for the street. they do some sparring in those arts but they know better that it is not the sparring that will get them ready for the streets.
well of course, just like riding a bike if you read a book on the mechanics, the make up of one, what u have to do step by step you can understand all of that, but then there's a thing called balance that you have to develop on a bike and you just simply cant learn from a book.
@todei79 not all true.wc has to be done 100% if not it doze not work. so haveing perfect forms is what your wc will be like. and you have to remember there is only a hand full of real wc fighters the other 4.000.000 do not no wc.do you realy beleave that a real wc fighter is going to go on you tube. think about it cheers
@todei79 they both go hand in hand your forms teach you just that form, without good form your sacrificing either balance speed power or structure or just all of the above.
@todei79 Practising Ving Tsun is mostly just sparring. I don't know about MMA. Unlike Mui Thai, Karate etc it is not even sport, but purely street fighting technique.
@todei79 katas have other purposes, mainly building muscle memories. but i do agree with u that sparring seems to be the most important part of the advanced stage of training :)
Yes/no. Practical application is an absolute must, I agree, but forms and structures are just as important. Good VT/WC has both.
Lets look at a randomly made up analogy like.. learning an instrument. Playing songs and "jamming" certainly helps, but if you want your notes to be in perfect pitch and tune then you need to practice your core rudiments.
Like wise, if you want to reach your fighting potential, you need to find your most efficient structure. Good forms help with this.
This is very important. But there is something that sparring does not take care of: fingers in the eyes, kick in the balls, grabbing the vital parts of the neck... you cannot train that for real, only put that in a kata way. As you said, sparring trains the body, but in a real situation you don´t know if the guy has a knife. I´m not saying that sparring is useless, just saying that we have to train the both forms of fighting.
@todei79 i believe both are important. forms are to solidify your structure and style, and are like mantras to repeat and memorize, but thats all. they will not make you a good fighter; they'll make you a solid practitioner of your art, but NOT a FIGHTER. the sparring is the live fire testing of your art
both are important. personally i'd stress sparring more though....im in wing chun and my only complaint is a majority of wing chun schools dont do hard sparring the way other arts do
@todei79 kata's and forms should be there so you can practice and perfect your techniques also when you are allone so you do things beter and more efficient in sparring but sparring most be done a lot...
@todei79 ya, i always looked at the forms as just a way to memorize the movements you use in fighting. even after you memorize them you still have to practice the application, and practice using the movements in full contact sparring. anything without full contact sparring = useless
@todei79 actually, it´s 2 different training exercises. There is no better than the other... both are important if u want technique more than brawling
@todei79 i understand what you mean but the repetition of the forms and motions program them into muscle memory... being prepared for the street is good but without the muscle memory its a lot more difficult to react without thought. i feel a good balance is the key you have to be used to fists and feet flying at you but you must also understand the art fully by practice and repetition
@todei79 i agree with you. too many people on youtube claiming that they dont spar much because their art is very dangerous. my question is how do you know it works with out sparring and fighting? especially against other styles?
@knownpornographer Ok we spar but we dont used those deadly skill to do in a sparring or in a real fight...we only do it for a real issues like someone is trying to kill you with a knife or any stuff.
stop fighting over wat martial arts is better, none is the best i know that, all of them have good and bade sides. end of conversation, ENJOY THE VIDEO.
I'm not an expert on wing chun. But from what I see...wouldn't the main problem with the various techniques and trapping tactics be that they somewhat depend on the offensive punch to actually stick out long enough to be trapped or parried? I mean in real fights, a punch is thrown and pulled back pretty damn quick....
True but that is only part of it..... Wing Chun goes much deeper, "ESPECIALLY" when you start speaking angles, center line attack and defense, and of course efficiency of motion. Wing Chun can be used to attack and move in from many different angles and degrees.
If everybody had the time to train mma 7 days a week 8 hours a day, nobody would train kung fu anymore. and why has a wing chun guy to fight a pro mma fighter? i think everybody how train martial arts (including mma) learn to show respect to other people. the people which you fight on the street have no respect. they are cowardly they are only strong in their gangs or with a knife. The complet discussion which martial art is the best is bullshit!!!
the style has nothing to do if sombody is a good or bad fighter, remember ther are always fighting people against each other, and no styles. If you want to fight in the ufc you must train very hard for this no matter what´s your kind of style. Most martial arts are developed to survive a fight in the streets not to fight in the ring, were its easy to see who your oponent is.
And you know if you get ko a referee will stop the fight, and you can´t get a kick in your balls or a knife attack
Wing Chun is solid stuff, but MMAers are professionals, do not expect to take them out with a few straightblasts or chainpunches. The WC/WT folks always demonstrate their wing chun vs. MMA techniques and again it is them sparring against their own students. Step up to the challenge folks or live with the laughter from the MMA crowd. And the discussion about WC being a martial art and UFC just a sport is garbage. What good is your martial art when u cannnot stand up in sport competition ?
Wing Tsun aint ment for sport and alot of moves wouldnt be allowed (throat attack, Eye gouging, Groin Strikes, punches to the back of the head and alot more) and there is more then 12 kind of Wing Tsun/Wing Chun/Ving Tsun
la razon por la cual el wing chun no entra en competencias deportivas es porq en el wing chun no se busca la competencia con los demas si no el desarroyo personal,por eso es q no hay luchadores de WC en el ring
why doesn't this guy join the ufc if this stuff really works? nobody in the history of mma has been successfull with a wing chun based style because when you get close to an opponent you don't just stand there and trade rapid low power punches... you take each other down.
Okay, this question is S-T-U-P-I-D and I wish it would go away. No martial art that practices lethal/fatal blows belongs in sports; whether they work and/or are superior/inferior or whatever. This is just fuckin' retarded.
I'd like to see his opponents a lil more aggressive in these lil sparring matches he is having. Im impressed by his technique but in his overall ability to defend himself in an actual fight, im still a bit skeptical. None the less, very good.
@AoDNightmare: usually somebody with this kind of ability should be able to hold their own against a couple of thugs out on the street. In fact ppl who trained at least a months worth of martial arts should still be ok. He got good stance and knows his technique in comparison to somebody who doesnt. I think he will do fine.
Good point. Any style is welcome in MMA. Just don't eye gauge, don't groin shoot. Yes, you do have to wear 2ounce cloves (which is nothing) and wear a mouth guard. WC is as welcome as BJJ in the UFC. But WC fighter has to make it through many MMA competitions to get to that level. Too many critics of MMA don't realize that almost all MMA fighters came from traditional styles and just evolved over the years. Open mindedness wins.
bahm nice video this guy is very fast but i wish a video where he is fighting with a bigger and stronger man . please fight with a heavy wight box master^^
wing chun (ving tsun) can be very effective... but as a solo means of fighting, it is not effective against well rounded fighters obviously.... this guy obviously is well rounded in hands/feet/grappling.... nice vid.
as a matter of fact WT only works in a close distance, thats why MMA fighters NEVER!!! do WT technics even not if they learned fromt the start.
Nobody faces his opponent in a proper stance from WT... believe me: one precise pushkick or grabbing and you got a dooming takedown followed by dangerous groundattackt...allthough i think WT is a good self defense for the start in MA
Maybe the people who dont use it effectivly arent trained properly............I mean its not only about how you move its about physical conditioning..........if you give someone who's big and strong this kinda speed your dealing with someone pretty dangerous
@jeetkunedo: I dunno if Wing Chun is a real spiritual style. I mean, from what I've been learning, it's a pretty intense and brutal style. You sure you don't mean something like Tai Chi?
im not saying im good im not but tomy understanding there is some sort of argument as to which is better wc or mma/bjj which i idmit in partaking but firstly doesnt it depend on the situation in which this showdown is done that will determine the outcome secondly doesnt it more specifically depend onthe fighters involved thirdly if we are all sogood and KNOW what the best art is what does it matter if others chosenot to believe us, why do we partake in childishnes and feel the need to preech
mostly because human ego is hard to satisfy and taking part in a form of combat usually requires boasting about it to others in order to make an image of yourself as somebody who knows more.
usually after spending a good time in the company of good fighters teaches you humility and respect for others, but it takes a bit of time to develop, so in the meantime, it is encrypted in male dna to think of himself as ultimate and enforce this feeling on others by force or by intellect
the "Flying knees" are not a WT technique or i have never seen a this kind of knees in WT there are mostly grounded position no flying non motor aviators of chineese movies ROFL ;)
I thinkk this knees are from Muai tai but im not sure!
they boot have, but its most used in muay thai, but chiense martial arts have strikes with elbows and knees too. besides have strikes with forearm, diferents forms of fists to punchs, stikes of head and a great variety of techniques, depending on the style.
lets not ragg on MMA guys although I like wc better, depends on the fighter......and not to sure about wing chun using a flying knee seems a little flashy and non-grounded.....but I do like the chi sao clips...
Very creative expression of Wing Tsun, nice!!! As for principle and technique, last time I checked 'technique' was the application of the principles you teach, and in Wing Tsun it's supposedly grounded in efficiency of movement yes? So why are ya'll ragging on this martial artist? You should be encouraging him, he seems to have put more effort into his expression than most artists out there. Relax cats! Nice work man!!!!
My definition of art might differ than yours but MMA is very artsy. Strike after strike, bodies turn black, blue and green then explode with blood. With each strike, you hear the bones grinding and crushing under awesome power. The final phase of the display and sounds of MMA are played when an arm bar executed and you hear the snap, crackle and pop with a quick tap, tap, tap. The audience jumps up out of their chairs howling, clapping and congratulating the Mixed Martial Artist. Artsy??
What do you mean MMA? There's no set 'MMA' curriculum. An MMA fighter is just a guy who is good at grappling, kicking and punching. Just because there are no set forms or kata doesn't reduce the art and science behind the techniques.
An MMA fighter would take this guy to the ground and break his arms.
I really dont noe man...I mean I have been training mma for well about a year now and throughout all the punishment I have been through Im starting to learn respect for other martial arts. Well your argument is that the U.S.A has basically morphed martial arts into a huge money-making engine hence UFC. Everyone has forgotten what true fighting is really about. I love mma but right now it feels like a sport not a martial art.......
MMA has lost it's respect to the martial arts world because of the fighters who are a bit too full of themselves. Plus MMA has become a huge ring sport like boxing and wrestling used to be with all those rules. I learned MMA aside from chinese martial arts and the MMA looked too dry and regulated...too many things you could not do...so I left it. Knowing many styles is knowing mixed martial arts it it's truest meaning, but MMA as it is advertised today is just a ring sport.
@nabapoisu Thats too bad. All the instructors at my club for both Thai and MMA teach illegal moves for defence including the more lethal moves for experienced and deserving students.
I have a lot of respect for MMA and Thai clubs. The training intensity is at whole different level that most other traditional martial art clubs cannot match. There are few knuckleheads even at my club but I enjoy sparring with them. They bring a different dynamic that traditional clubs do not train you for.
@nabapoisu Typical response. Every MA I've studied which included sparring had rules and prohibitions for safety. The fact is, if you take two people of the same size and train one in MMA, the other in any trad MA like Kung Fu the MMA fighter will own the trad fighter, simple as that.
@Yosh997 BBJ people will grapple ur kick with their face in 2v1 fights. the moment he goes down the 2nd one kicks him in the back face etc. ground fighting Does Not belong on the street. BBJ is a nice Sport => not a combat system
@AR151288 BJJ has the advantage that they know how to get up in their feet if the fight goes to the ground. if a boxer is taken down in a streetfight he is in serious trouble.
@nabapoisu MMA is and always has been a sport forum. No one "learns" MMA. They learn Jiu Jitsu, or Muay Thai, or Judo. MMA is just the forum for fighters to pit their art against others. Like how Kickboxing is the sport forum for Muay Thai practitioners. They don't train Kickboxing, they train Muay Thai. People who say they're "training MMA" are simply using common (but inaccurate) parlance. If you're looking for deregulated MMA, Vale Tudo is what you want, not the UFC.
@JacksEpicFail : Vale Tudo is (while being more realistic than UFC) still competition. Which is inherently a part of the egoic tendencies to ''prove oneself'' or ''make fame''. Martial arts have never been about proving oneself and if you think that then you're fooling yourself with silly mind-games. Competition can be the stimuli to get better but eventually you have to go out of competition and ''beyond the fighting''. Winning a shiny belt is meaningless compared to becoming more enlightened.
@nabapoisu you talk about mma as just a ring sport , to that i say WHatever! i think it could be interesting to see masters of different martial arts getting into mma to elevate the sport. it is possible, it's just that it is not doable by every jack out there that is all.
@l2q.. its because just like anything with time... things get better.. if it stayed like the 90's, all that it would mean is that people never ever tried learning new or more styles... in the 90's it was all about letting people in a ring who thought they were badass whether they were a bar fighter, a wing chun fighter or a whatever.. just sooo happens.. jiu jitsu is supreme on the ground, so everyone learned it.. then people mix up what they do standing up.. its refined fighting...
@wtflol90 Ironically, the Gracies co-founded UFC as a venue to promote Gracie Jujutsu. In the interim years, it had become a commercial giant with all the business politics that inspired other dodgy amateur circuits.
@wtflol90 Well MMA is not a martial art, It's the culmination of the most effective techniques from the most "Combatant effective" Arts and fighting styles. In the essence, MMA shouldn't even be considered martial arts, rather a system.
@TheAsiandanny - Thats OPINION, based on very flawed logic. Not only that, but MMA training methods cut corners, which creates Sloppy fighters with multiple weaknesses as a result. (MMA has the Worst defense ability) If they used traditional methods, their abilities would b better (tho would take longer). MMA today, is for sport, not self defense. Its far from the most effective in any way shape or form. Ancient Shaolin was the original mma, but it took +20yrs to master all the skills/knowledge.
Mixed Martial Arts doesn't mean anything different than to just simply say Martial Arts. "In MMA"? Please clarify. As to Wing Chun, if you ever come to San Francisco, I'd love to let you feel how it is.
bruce lee tryed to make an "all style" so to speak, jeet kun do, way of the intercepting fist. Its basically a wing chun or gung fu technique with sum western boxing and kickboxing.
That was some excellent and original wing chun. Good interpretations of the moves, and you added parts of yourself into it. That chi sao while balancing yourself on a piece of wood was an excellent example of your skill. If I'm ever in Belgium I hope I can learn a little.
man, I'd like to learn this thing, but, there ain't any win tsung here in the Philippines.........So, to any win tsung masters out there, the Philippines is a great place to open up a win tsung academy.
well you can fight, and i have a gun xD
osmanlitorunu1990 1 month ago
This guy is good
BudaTomu 2 months ago
Nice fighting mix!
xlee888 4 months ago
Ah, mooie mawashi-geri's daar, of roundhouse kicks w/e je ze wilt noemen :)
MrIco 8 months ago
@WingTsunPanda there are no techniques in Wing Chun, just principles and concepts. For me it looks like good Wing Chun. :D
jomushin7 8 months ago
Do you work more on scales or songs?
Forms or Sparring?
buddy2000529 9 months ago
This guy is a uzi of epic pain, love the song.
alp4a 10 months ago
His partner needs to learn how to hold a pad. He's liable to break something holding it like that. And it does nothing to help develop the kicker's stopping power either.
Sanguinarian13 10 months ago
spotted some bjj in there :P
bonchasilark 10 months ago
It is flashy and fun to watch, but I don't see it being as effective an application outside of a controlled environment: lets not bring MMA into the discussion. We all study martial arts for one reason or another, but the ultimately reality is that whatever we are learning has the potential to be put to real use, in an uncontrolled situation riddled with unpredictable variables. Step kicks and flurries look amazing in these videos, but are about as effective as mouse farts on the street
MrImaxx 10 months ago 2
@MrImaxx lol i think ur right but stop kicks can be pretty sore on the shins
yulaw3 10 months ago
very cool, but jst becaus u use the ultimate fighter reality show theme song, doesn't make it wing tsun for MMA
MmaNcovers 1 year ago
this guy surely learned thai boxing and/or ju jutsu before. it looks good, however I doubt that it will work as accurately as in this film in a real cagefight situation.
oguzhanKhan 1 year ago
@oguzhanKhan Well, I'm sure in a cage fight you aren't allowed to punch to throat, or kick out the kneecap, or dislocate the elbow...which a lot of the techniques in Wing Tsun do
SOCOMSoldier01 1 year ago
@SOCOMSoldier01 you even may punch to the throat in boxing and kick out the kneecap in thai boxing. it just doesn't work. Noone will raise his chin so you can punch the throat and how do you kick out the kneecap?? Disloc. elbows is allowed (but u may tap before :). If you don't see it in mma it simply doesn't work (against trained opponents). Sure not everythign is allowed, but u want to keep the contenders healthy. So you can't manipulate small joints or gouge the eyes or so...
oooBASTIooo 1 year ago 2
@oooBASTIooo I think we have to determine the difference between ring and street, it's too easy to maintain that if it doesn't work in the ring, it won't in the street. It's simply not the case. I've seen people who as you state aren't trained, get clocked because they got caught in the chin etc. I guess, some styles lend themselves well to the ring environment, and others don't. I'm a firm believer in the concept of their being something useful everywhere, just have to look for it. :)
Jude2Mahoney 1 year ago 9
@Jude2Mahoney i agreed it depends where
feruko 10 months ago
@Jude2Mahoney you're right, there is something useful everywhere... it depends on how much your training is embedded in you sub-conscious. When you get into a street fight you won't be able to think... if you trained just for the ring, you forget that you can poke eyes, kick groins, pick up weapons... you forget that the person(s) might be intoxicated and not feel a thing... so really... it should be you can't do 'that' in the ring but you should on the street.
Trinivalist 8 months ago
@SOCOMSoldier01 Actually the only one of these not allowed in UFC is throat strikes. I guess you've not seen much MMA, as arm bars and kimuras are used extensively, both of which can and do cause damage to elbows, arms, and shoulders. Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia's arm with an arm bar and won the UFC heavyweight championship a few years ago.
southtxguitarist 11 months ago
i dont say this often but great video! its rare to see someone who is actually good at this style. most people i have seen even the self-proclaimed experts just arent t hat good. i would actually take lessons from this guy....bra-freakin-vo.
MrJoSWilson 1 year ago 2
Good dude!
Djsnowar 1 year ago
wow hes good
DotaHelm 1 year ago
done right wing chun would own ufc, only on the lower weights i think, light heavy and heavy it wouldnt work just because of the sheer force.
xwalshyx 1 year ago
@xwalshyx - UFC is just a promotion company. Wing Chun alone wouldn't work in the cage. The WC practitioner would have to learn Muay-Thai and grappling to be successful. The WC practitioner would also need to condition Thai style or risk serious injury and/or death.
iApna 1 year ago
awesooome vid ... ^^
doesn any1 know the name of the inspiring song tho?
TheNoobed 1 year ago
the true mma is MUAY THAI + JIU JITSU!
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xXKrajisnikXx 1 year ago
@xXKrajisnikXx
The true MMA is knowing more than one martial arts style. Mixed Martial Arts means you learn different styles and mix it up for yourself, giving you diverse abilities that pure martial artists may not have.
If you mean MMA as just a ring sport, not as a principle, then perhaps you are right.
nabapoisu 1 year ago
@xXKrajisnikXx the best combination for contact sport competition obiding ufc tournament rules is thai kickboxing and submission wrestling. in my opinion the best combination for real life combat and street fighting defense would be a mixture of jeet kune do striking and trapping with traditional japanese jiu jitsu defenses, takedowns and joint locks. it is made sure my students distinguish sport from defense, example from throwing jab-cross or, and eye strike-throat strike.
jordanr707 1 year ago
GOODNESS!! Can ANYONE tell me who this guy is? i'd like 2 see more of his vids. Thank you.
kuraidjinn 1 year ago
i wanna get taught by this sifu, it looks like he teaches you shit that might actually occurr in a real fight and how to counter, btw whats the difference between wing chun and ving tsun?
hiphoplivs 1 year ago
@hiphoplivs The differences are lineage. Leung Ting (Wing Tsun) started it all in 1967 when he made his own system. He made a ranking structure and everyone laughed at him. Soon enough however, everyone followed suit and even copied Leung Ting. To go so far as to call there instructor's technicians as leung ting does. Its a bit rediculous. Wing Chun is just what is was called therefore you hear more of that. VT is usually emin boztepe style. VC moy yat, and you can look it all up.
GUFF21 1 year ago
be good if they made a real MMA tourniment like no holds barred.. first UFC style
GraveyIsNice 1 year ago
@GraveyIsNice ya, and then people would be crippled and possibly dead far too frequently. Go look up the fight where the guy in the gi puts another guy in a crucifix on the ground and literally elbows him like 9 times in about 3 seconds on the top of the head. I'm pretty sure you can't do that anymore for a reason.
bloodriotiori 1 year ago
not impressed
Super12nv 1 year ago
nice video....i like it....wing tsun....
CALSEN1218 1 year ago
@peijunior7895 No.
"Martial" (meaning, "militaristic or combat") "Art" ("expression of") is all about damage, and or killing another person (for battlefields or self-defense). All the self improvement, and philosophy bullshit came from Kung Fu movies and the new Xiaolin Temple (the original was burned down in 1641). True martial arts, is and always has been, about inflicting damage, for either self-defense or battlefield killing techniques.
Tommy9834 1 year ago
@Tommy9834 That is true to a large extent. However in traditional Chinese Wing Tsun we have an important philosophical aspect. As a Master I teach these things with equal importance to the fighting techniques so that we can all understand how to live in harmony with other living beings/creatures. I insist that my students write this down in my lectures.
MasterJulianHitch 1 year ago
@Tommy9834 So by your logic, Raping a person is Martial Arts, Mass Murder is Martial arts, Shooting someone in the head is Martial Arts, being a serial killer is martial arts, etc.
MarkSamurai5 6 months ago
@peijunior7895 i call bull shit bro, martial arts are for killing they aint to look pretty and be a fag, they are to smash your opponent into the ground
0114770 1 year ago
nice demo Thumbs up...
1STstream 1 year ago
He is good and fast.... and i don´t like WT/WC/VC/VT....
Aexellent 1 year ago
Most of that clip is very basic trapping and locks... Good technique thou..
S0MEKUNT 1 year ago
nice skills
DotaHelm 1 year ago
muito bommm excelente!!!!
denywc2 1 year ago
1.29 was cool.
Antilli 1 year ago
I LOVE the technique at 3:00
SoulOfAPianist 1 year ago
That move at 1.33 seems to be Bret the hitman Hart's move.
HoSayLiaoLah 1 year ago
Awesome dude! :O
aliim8 1 year ago
It looks more Bruce Lee's style it's close to the Jeet kun do, anyway its good martial arts.
Bayrlalaa 1 year ago
@Bayrlalaa Bruce Lee used to do Wing Chun, so when he developed JKD, wing chun was a major influence.
KirbzXXX 1 year ago
god damnit you got my respect sifu ... wow you have stunning skills... i also train wing tsun and mma , this video gave me a lot of ideas in how to improve my wing tsun in free fight! Thank you!!
imwaterasusaid 1 year ago
very nice...
mtwingtsungirl 1 year ago
really good guys
siguenza69 1 year ago
Very flashy Wing Chun, not bad, just flashy.
IMMEEN 1 year ago
What I've noticed is that the arts that stand out the most are the ones that focus more on sparring. In my opinion it makes a big deal because sparring conditions the body and mind into real fighting. That's why average boxers, mui thai, and karate practicioners are a bit better prepared than others. I honestly believe sparring is more effective than practicing katas/forms. Please share your thoughts. Cheers
todei79 1 year ago 50
may be you already received this post, but i don't see my previous one on the page!
i perfectly agree with you, also according to me the only way to learn to fight is fight!
without a continuosly testing i think one is tempted to include always more complicated and fantastic monouvres with a cooperative partner, beliving that stuff could work in a real situation... only my opinion...
mapick2tube 1 year ago
I agree with you. But, if you are a martial artist katas could be like sparring. If you visualize the opponent infront of you, you can see aspects of a fight that you never could in a real fight, perhaps because some moves are not used in most of the fights and so on.
//mmacritic
mmacritics 1 year ago
i Absolutely Agree Sparring is an absolute must however alot of arts dont spar for some reason really dumb i think.
MrSinantra 1 year ago
@MrSinantra some arts don't spar because they're not sports. Take Harimou Silat for example. If you were to do any of the stuff that you're tought correctly you'd either damge someone so bad that they would need a lot of surgery and it still would be good, or you'd kill the guy. Some martial arts that are taught aren't sports and they really are used for killing people. You don't want to spar and really hurt someone who's your friend do you?
apercussionist91 1 year ago
@apercussionist91 Your arguement is compeltely flawed to the point that if you are a martial artist, and you are training from someone else (a master) that told you this similar concept, then you might have been robbed of your money (Mcdojo). Think about it, what you said may make sense at first, but think about it harder. How do you know t any of he techniques work, if you never tried it for yourself?
AssassinGhost 1 year ago
@MrSinantra b/c some arts can be all about pure destroying all the joints and body. Sparring in that is just dangerous.
TenteixSaigo 1 year ago
@todei79 No, the reason why there is no sparring in many traditional martial arts is because they have movements like kicking the balls, attacks against the throat or poking the eye which you can't use in sparring because only one person would leave the sparring session alive. Sparring is just possible in sports with point systems like boxing, kickboxing, muay thai and so on. But Wing Chun has something called Chi Sao which you could compare to sparring in modern sports.
tsi2568 1 year ago
@tsi2568 - The reason most traditional martial-arts do no have sparring is because most people do not want to spar. Many McDojo's are interested in making money more than producing great fighters. Sure they teach "some defense" most of which is useless unless you learn how/when to use it.
If a club does not spar and does not have real fighters than I would caution against attending it.
iApna 1 year ago
@tsi2568 No sparring in traditional martial arts is cause only those who don't wanna spar , go there. How can be one a martial artist without sparring? He can only a martial art PRACTITIONER>
valgez 1 year ago
@tsi2568 truthfully wing chun sparring is essential, if you dont youll never learn your ranges. I personally train wing chun and sparring really pushes your skill to the next level. It teaches you how to handle someone whos not compliant and it teaches you how to close the gap which Is a problem which many traditional no sparring wing chunners run into. Usually trying to run in a pak a punch that hasnt come yet. And Chi sao is not sparring its a sensitivity drill doing both really builds skill
NjWingchun 1 year ago
@todei79 yes i agree with what you say about sparring. it can better prepare you for the ring. but sparring in no way will prepare you for the street. escrima serrada and jeet kune do i think are the best styles for the street. they do some sparring in those arts but they know better that it is not the sparring that will get them ready for the streets.
gysgtsong 1 year ago
@todei79
well of course, just like riding a bike if you read a book on the mechanics, the make up of one, what u have to do step by step you can understand all of that, but then there's a thing called balance that you have to develop on a bike and you just simply cant learn from a book.
ra2player 11 months ago
@todei79 Far more effective. But if you can't do Katas, there is no way your fit enough to spar, in my opinion.
gsus7125 11 months ago
@todei79 not all true.wc has to be done 100% if not it doze not work. so haveing perfect forms is what your wc will be like. and you have to remember there is only a hand full of real wc fighters the other 4.000.000 do not no wc.do you realy beleave that a real wc fighter is going to go on you tube. think about it cheers
marie2001able 10 months ago
@todei79 they both go hand in hand your forms teach you just that form, without good form your sacrificing either balance speed power or structure or just all of the above.
smokinthepot 10 months ago 2
@todei79 Practising Ving Tsun is mostly just sparring. I don't know about MMA. Unlike Mui Thai, Karate etc it is not even sport, but purely street fighting technique.
Haltzu93 10 months ago
@todei79 katas have other purposes, mainly building muscle memories. but i do agree with u that sparring seems to be the most important part of the advanced stage of training :)
TheDiseaseDevil 9 months ago
@todei79
Yes/no. Practical application is an absolute must, I agree, but forms and structures are just as important. Good VT/WC has both.
Lets look at a randomly made up analogy like.. learning an instrument. Playing songs and "jamming" certainly helps, but if you want your notes to be in perfect pitch and tune then you need to practice your core rudiments.
Like wise, if you want to reach your fighting potential, you need to find your most efficient structure. Good forms help with this.
EmbraceTheThunder 9 months ago
@todei79 yeh sparring is very important
COURTCHLOE 8 months ago
This is very important. But there is something that sparring does not take care of: fingers in the eyes, kick in the balls, grabbing the vital parts of the neck... you cannot train that for real, only put that in a kata way. As you said, sparring trains the body, but in a real situation you don´t know if the guy has a knife. I´m not saying that sparring is useless, just saying that we have to train the both forms of fighting.
dillete131313 7 months ago
@todei79 i believe both are important. forms are to solidify your structure and style, and are like mantras to repeat and memorize, but thats all. they will not make you a good fighter; they'll make you a solid practitioner of your art, but NOT a FIGHTER. the sparring is the live fire testing of your art
both are important. personally i'd stress sparring more though....im in wing chun and my only complaint is a majority of wing chun schools dont do hard sparring the way other arts do
StopFlaggingVideos 6 months ago
@todei79 unless you dont mind actually hitting your sparing partner it is a waste because you will pull punches and develop bad habits
xxdjcharlierockxx 6 months ago
@todei79 kata's and forms should be there so you can practice and perfect your techniques also when you are allone so you do things beter and more efficient in sparring but sparring most be done a lot...
Ben1987X 6 months ago
@todei79 ya, i always looked at the forms as just a way to memorize the movements you use in fighting. even after you memorize them you still have to practice the application, and practice using the movements in full contact sparring. anything without full contact sparring = useless
tythetoker 6 months ago
@todei79 actually, it´s 2 different training exercises. There is no better than the other... both are important if u want technique more than brawling
Azfargh 5 months ago
@todei79 i understand what you mean but the repetition of the forms and motions program them into muscle memory... being prepared for the street is good but without the muscle memory its a lot more difficult to react without thought. i feel a good balance is the key you have to be used to fists and feet flying at you but you must also understand the art fully by practice and repetition
crunchymilk 5 months ago
@todei79 i agree with you. too many people on youtube claiming that they dont spar much because their art is very dangerous. my question is how do you know it works with out sparring and fighting? especially against other styles?
knownpornographer 4 months ago
@knownpornographer Ok we spar but we dont used those deadly skill to do in a sparring or in a real fight...we only do it for a real issues like someone is trying to kill you with a knife or any stuff.
meow91able 3 months ago
stop fighting over wat martial arts is better, none is the best i know that, all of them have good and bade sides. end of conversation, ENJOY THE VIDEO.
pkvo20 1 year ago
I'm not an expert on wing chun. But from what I see...wouldn't the main problem with the various techniques and trapping tactics be that they somewhat depend on the offensive punch to actually stick out long enough to be trapped or parried? I mean in real fights, a punch is thrown and pulled back pretty damn quick....
hivelocity100 1 year ago
True but that is only part of it..... Wing Chun goes much deeper, "ESPECIALLY" when you start speaking angles, center line attack and defense, and of course efficiency of motion. Wing Chun can be used to attack and move in from many different angles and degrees.
PRPWR 1 year ago
If everybody had the time to train mma 7 days a week 8 hours a day, nobody would train kung fu anymore. and why has a wing chun guy to fight a pro mma fighter? i think everybody how train martial arts (including mma) learn to show respect to other people. the people which you fight on the street have no respect. they are cowardly they are only strong in their gangs or with a knife. The complet discussion which martial art is the best is bullshit!!!
holdonflixxen 1 year ago
the style has nothing to do if sombody is a good or bad fighter, remember ther are always fighting people against each other, and no styles. If you want to fight in the ufc you must train very hard for this no matter what´s your kind of style. Most martial arts are developed to survive a fight in the streets not to fight in the ring, were its easy to see who your oponent is.
And you know if you get ko a referee will stop the fight, and you can´t get a kick in your balls or a knife attack
holdonflixxen 1 year ago
that is no wing chun that is wing tsun is more good fight
Icebrus 1 year ago
Wing Chun is solid stuff, but MMAers are professionals, do not expect to take them out with a few straightblasts or chainpunches. The WC/WT folks always demonstrate their wing chun vs. MMA techniques and again it is them sparring against their own students. Step up to the challenge folks or live with the laughter from the MMA crowd. And the discussion about WC being a martial art and UFC just a sport is garbage. What good is your martial art when u cannnot stand up in sport competition ?
jbravo41 1 year ago
Wing Tsun aint ment for sport and alot of moves wouldnt be allowed (throat attack, Eye gouging, Groin Strikes, punches to the back of the head and alot more) and there is more then 12 kind of Wing Tsun/Wing Chun/Ving Tsun
jonasdk1234 1 year ago
la razon por la cual el wing chun no entra en competencias deportivas es porq en el wing chun no se busca la competencia con los demas si no el desarroyo personal,por eso es q no hay luchadores de WC en el ring
tutanota 1 year ago
English?
jonasdk1234 1 year ago
The point in martial arts for most people is self defense. Why learn to defend your self only to subject your self to potential injury?
Justs99171 1 year ago
why doesn't this guy join the ufc if this stuff really works? nobody in the history of mma has been successfull with a wing chun based style because when you get close to an opponent you don't just stand there and trade rapid low power punches... you take each other down.
JayDay111 2 years ago
Wing Tsun is a martial art, MMA is sport... Like going with a gun on a pillow fight....
Aessari 1 year ago 25
@Aessari MMA is MIxed Martial Art. Challenge a good MMA fighter and you will see what will happen with you when there are no rules.
minasz 11 months ago 2
Okay, this question is S-T-U-P-I-D and I wish it would go away. No martial art that practices lethal/fatal blows belongs in sports; whether they work and/or are superior/inferior or whatever. This is just fuckin' retarded.
Justs99171 1 year ago
I like it... =)
WarrexX 2 years ago
I'd like to see his opponents a lil more aggressive in these lil sparring matches he is having. Im impressed by his technique but in his overall ability to defend himself in an actual fight, im still a bit skeptical. None the less, very good.
AoDNightmare 2 years ago
@AoDNightmare: usually somebody with this kind of ability should be able to hold their own against a couple of thugs out on the street. In fact ppl who trained at least a months worth of martial arts should still be ok. He got good stance and knows his technique in comparison to somebody who doesnt. I think he will do fine.
MegaBulletHead 2 years ago
this is fuckd up wing chung is it full contact wingchun?
4thwingchun 2 years ago
Wing Tsun is full contact
NO RULES !
ssj3sedat 2 years ago 2
Good point. Any style is welcome in MMA. Just don't eye gauge, don't groin shoot. Yes, you do have to wear 2ounce cloves (which is nothing) and wear a mouth guard. WC is as welcome as BJJ in the UFC. But WC fighter has to make it through many MMA competitions to get to that level. Too many critics of MMA don't realize that almost all MMA fighters came from traditional styles and just evolved over the years. Open mindedness wins.
BushidoCode72 2 years ago
bahm nice video this guy is very fast but i wish a video where he is fighting with a bigger and stronger man . please fight with a heavy wight box master^^
Schattenlied22 2 years ago
wing chun (ving tsun) can be very effective... but as a solo means of fighting, it is not effective against well rounded fighters obviously.... this guy obviously is well rounded in hands/feet/grappling.... nice vid.
kaddy01980 2 years ago
@kaddy01980
Wing Chun is very well rounded as it is a defensive style, what are you talking about?
gutsu91 2 years ago
as a matter of fact WT only works in a close distance, thats why MMA fighters NEVER!!! do WT technics even not if they learned fromt the start.
Nobody faces his opponent in a proper stance from WT... believe me: one precise pushkick or grabbing and you got a dooming takedown followed by dangerous groundattackt...allthough i think WT is a good self defense for the start in MA
bloodmonk74 2 years ago
it is not true, wing chun works in all distances, have you heard of chuong kiu?
dropduskdrop 2 years ago
agreed WC is a complete system.
Just no ground work....
... So don't go to the ground :) haha
ThinKFasT03 2 years ago
yes there´s ground :D did you learn WT? :)
Elcazamoscas 1 year ago
Maybe the people who dont use it effectivly arent trained properly............I mean its not only about how you move its about physical conditioning..........if you give someone who's big and strong this kinda speed your dealing with someone pretty dangerous
Mider999 2 years ago 3
@jeetkunedo: I dunno if Wing Chun is a real spiritual style. I mean, from what I've been learning, it's a pretty intense and brutal style. You sure you don't mean something like Tai Chi?
Naota391 2 years ago
Really though, isn't "spirituality" pretty much what you make it?
Greatsocratesghost 2 years ago
realy nice! WT and MMA the perfect combination!
TotiiChannel 2 years ago
your really good men, i came from lots of martial arts already but when i try how u do it i was a better fighter
i hope u post more at youtube and more slow motion so we can learn it thank you so much
waydenbernard 2 years ago
he's pretty nice i wonder how his students are, if he can teach too
NoMasterSkills 2 years ago
straight blast punches are awesome but leave the body much too open. beautiful video.
coolshaps 2 years ago
VERY NICE! I only wish there were great Wing Chun schools in Colorado....Id love to learn wing chun for spiritual and martial benefits.
jeetkunedo117 2 years ago
so this is wt or mma ?
unitedseven7 2 years ago
people who are saying this isnt WT, read the title -.-
Wing Tsun AND mma..
admbrns 2 years ago
im not saying im good im not but tomy understanding there is some sort of argument as to which is better wc or mma/bjj which i idmit in partaking but firstly doesnt it depend on the situation in which this showdown is done that will determine the outcome secondly doesnt it more specifically depend onthe fighters involved thirdly if we are all sogood and KNOW what the best art is what does it matter if others chosenot to believe us, why do we partake in childishnes and feel the need to preech
kungfusharpeandrock 2 years ago
mostly because human ego is hard to satisfy and taking part in a form of combat usually requires boasting about it to others in order to make an image of yourself as somebody who knows more.
usually after spending a good time in the company of good fighters teaches you humility and respect for others, but it takes a bit of time to develop, so in the meantime, it is encrypted in male dna to think of himself as ultimate and enforce this feeling on others by force or by intellect
yashitsune 2 years ago 3
Bravo. Bravo. Very well put. Very good.
didgemonster 2 years ago
exactly
DJFistOfCurry 2 years ago
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kungfusharpeandrock 2 years ago
the "Flying knees" are not a WT technique or i have never seen a this kind of knees in WT there are mostly grounded position no flying non motor aviators of chineese movies ROFL ;)
I thinkk this knees are from Muai tai but im not sure!
korial321 2 years ago
they boot have, but its most used in muay thai, but chiense martial arts have strikes with elbows and knees too. besides have strikes with forearm, diferents forms of fists to punchs, stikes of head and a great variety of techniques, depending on the style.
johnnylynnlee 2 years ago
lets not ragg on MMA guys although I like wc better, depends on the fighter......and not to sure about wing chun using a flying knee seems a little flashy and non-grounded.....but I do like the chi sao clips...
sikckb8 2 years ago 2
his student are all beaten up. OMG
webstertoh 2 years ago
that is wt.. u sign up for getting asskicked and learn from it ;D
FoGGeRdk 2 years ago
Very creative expression of Wing Tsun, nice!!! As for principle and technique, last time I checked 'technique' was the application of the principles you teach, and in Wing Tsun it's supposedly grounded in efficiency of movement yes? So why are ya'll ragging on this martial artist? You should be encouraging him, he seems to have put more effort into his expression than most artists out there. Relax cats! Nice work man!!!!
MugenRoshi8 2 years ago
Is that Geordie La Forge? Wicked awesome!
hairypitsarouseme 2 years ago
Wing Tsun guys get disqualified from MMA rings. The fight is over too fast if they put a WT guy in there anyway lol
V2Hovership 2 years ago
MMA, Blah, blah, blah....
The ENTIRE martial arts community agrees that MMA is the end all be all of martial arts, right? Whatever. There is nothing artistic about MMA.
Deke101 2 years ago 3
My definition of art might differ than yours but MMA is very artsy. Strike after strike, bodies turn black, blue and green then explode with blood. With each strike, you hear the bones grinding and crushing under awesome power. The final phase of the display and sounds of MMA are played when an arm bar executed and you hear the snap, crackle and pop with a quick tap, tap, tap. The audience jumps up out of their chairs howling, clapping and congratulating the Mixed Martial Artist. Artsy??
iApna 2 years ago
Finaly someone I can Identify with!
I have been saying this for so long! The fact is that most fighters fight like MMA fighers no expression no emotion no feeling only a brawl!
zellymusic 2 years ago
What do you mean MMA? There's no set 'MMA' curriculum. An MMA fighter is just a guy who is good at grappling, kicking and punching. Just because there are no set forms or kata doesn't reduce the art and science behind the techniques.
An MMA fighter would take this guy to the ground and break his arms.
DarkMuj 2 years ago
We don't care about whether it is artistic or not, we care about efficacy; something wing tsun and many other traditional martial arts lack.
RebelWrestler45 2 years ago
I really dont noe man...I mean I have been training mma for well about a year now and throughout all the punishment I have been through Im starting to learn respect for other martial arts. Well your argument is that the U.S.A has basically morphed martial arts into a huge money-making engine hence UFC. Everyone has forgotten what true fighting is really about. I love mma but right now it feels like a sport not a martial art.......
wtflol90 2 years ago 45
@wtflol90
MMA has lost it's respect to the martial arts world because of the fighters who are a bit too full of themselves. Plus MMA has become a huge ring sport like boxing and wrestling used to be with all those rules. I learned MMA aside from chinese martial arts and the MMA looked too dry and regulated...too many things you could not do...so I left it. Knowing many styles is knowing mixed martial arts it it's truest meaning, but MMA as it is advertised today is just a ring sport.
nabapoisu 2 years ago 91
@nabapoisu Thats too bad. All the instructors at my club for both Thai and MMA teach illegal moves for defence including the more lethal moves for experienced and deserving students.
I have a lot of respect for MMA and Thai clubs. The training intensity is at whole different level that most other traditional martial art clubs cannot match. There are few knuckleheads even at my club but I enjoy sparring with them. They bring a different dynamic that traditional clubs do not train you for.
iApna 2 years ago
Remember: You, like most people in youtube, are just talking about your own definition of mma and martial arts in general. That is narrow minded.
Yeah, world class and big capital MMA is just like all world class big capital sports.
But you can't learn MMA. You can learn your own style and then pit it against any other, and there you have MMA.
It's just a description of an event or applied rules. So how can there be anything you can do in some other style, or how can it be "too regulated"?
ageofcrackpipe 2 years ago
@nabapoisu Typical response. Every MA I've studied which included sparring had rules and prohibitions for safety. The fact is, if you take two people of the same size and train one in MMA, the other in any trad MA like Kung Fu the MMA fighter will own the trad fighter, simple as that.
southtxguitarist 1 year ago
@nabapoisu I agree with you 100%. Greetings!
Volgeblanc 1 year ago
@nabapoisu Personally i believe in strikers (why not add some grappling to it).
In a real life situation when you and your friends may face multiple opponents striking is the best option i guess.
Going to the ground and wrestling would leave you very vulnerable to kicks etc.
Some BJJ practioners seem to forget that.
Yosh997 1 year ago 2
@Yosh997 BBJ people will grapple ur kick with their face in 2v1 fights. the moment he goes down the 2nd one kicks him in the back face etc. ground fighting Does Not belong on the street. BBJ is a nice Sport => not a combat system
AR151288 1 year ago
@AR151288 BJJ has the advantage that they know how to get up in their feet if the fight goes to the ground. if a boxer is taken down in a streetfight he is in serious trouble.
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@nabapoisu MMA is and always has been a sport forum. No one "learns" MMA. They learn Jiu Jitsu, or Muay Thai, or Judo. MMA is just the forum for fighters to pit their art against others. Like how Kickboxing is the sport forum for Muay Thai practitioners. They don't train Kickboxing, they train Muay Thai. People who say they're "training MMA" are simply using common (but inaccurate) parlance. If you're looking for deregulated MMA, Vale Tudo is what you want, not the UFC.
JacksEpicFail 1 year ago
@JacksEpicFail : Vale Tudo is (while being more realistic than UFC) still competition. Which is inherently a part of the egoic tendencies to ''prove oneself'' or ''make fame''. Martial arts have never been about proving oneself and if you think that then you're fooling yourself with silly mind-games. Competition can be the stimuli to get better but eventually you have to go out of competition and ''beyond the fighting''. Winning a shiny belt is meaningless compared to becoming more enlightened.
Anandfulness 1 year ago 2
@nabapoisu you talk about mma as just a ring sport , to that i say WHatever! i think it could be interesting to see masters of different martial arts getting into mma to elevate the sport. it is possible, it's just that it is not doable by every jack out there that is all.
fucksignups 1 year ago
@nabapoisu i Really liked classic UFC from like the 90s.
cause it looked more....MIXED. now there are only like 3-4 fighting styles that it relies on
l2q 1 year ago
@l2q.. its because just like anything with time... things get better.. if it stayed like the 90's, all that it would mean is that people never ever tried learning new or more styles... in the 90's it was all about letting people in a ring who thought they were badass whether they were a bar fighter, a wing chun fighter or a whatever.. just sooo happens.. jiu jitsu is supreme on the ground, so everyone learned it.. then people mix up what they do standing up.. its refined fighting...
ickerish 11 months ago
@wtflol90 Ironically, the Gracies co-founded UFC as a venue to promote Gracie Jujutsu. In the interim years, it had become a commercial giant with all the business politics that inspired other dodgy amateur circuits.
akirahojo2 1 year ago
@wtflol90 Well MMA is not a martial art, It's the culmination of the most effective techniques from the most "Combatant effective" Arts and fighting styles. In the essence, MMA shouldn't even be considered martial arts, rather a system.
TheAsiandanny 1 year ago
@TheAsiandanny - Thats OPINION, based on very flawed logic. Not only that, but MMA training methods cut corners, which creates Sloppy fighters with multiple weaknesses as a result. (MMA has the Worst defense ability) If they used traditional methods, their abilities would b better (tho would take longer). MMA today, is for sport, not self defense. Its far from the most effective in any way shape or form. Ancient Shaolin was the original mma, but it took +20yrs to master all the skills/knowledge.
xiaou2 1 year ago 2
@xiaou2 omg a person who isnt an idiot, ty
MDNSBS 1 year ago
nice stuff! you guys from Australia?
egglot12 2 years ago
Are there any good VT WT or WCers in mma? The quick slaps and idealist style don't seem to translate well to real fighting
JayDay111 2 years ago
Mixed Martial Arts doesn't mean anything different than to just simply say Martial Arts. "In MMA"? Please clarify. As to Wing Chun, if you ever come to San Francisco, I'd love to let you feel how it is.
TheSenseofTouch 2 years ago 3
what would you call a real fight though? Two guys in a ring with gear, rules and limitations or a fight on the street where anything could happen?
MyCrownOfWorms 2 years ago
Nice log balance!
r3bol 2 years ago
Has this guy ever fought in MMA ????
munk25 2 years ago
bruce lee tryed to make an "all style" so to speak, jeet kun do, way of the intercepting fist. Its basically a wing chun or gung fu technique with sum western boxing and kickboxing.
DnLconstructions 2 years ago
That was some excellent and original wing chun. Good interpretations of the moves, and you added parts of yourself into it. That chi sao while balancing yourself on a piece of wood was an excellent example of your skill. If I'm ever in Belgium I hope I can learn a little.
fredocorleone47 2 years ago 3
He is good but hi use his sholders too mutch. if he spars with some one who knows the stile he will be in a hard position
vankata827 2 years ago
man, I'd like to learn this thing, but, there ain't any win tsung here in the Philippines.........So, to any win tsung masters out there, the Philippines is a great place to open up a win tsung academy.
Yeo1000 2 years ago
I am surprised because in Europe there are MANY Teachers & Schools who combine Wing Chun with Filipino stick fighting.
Nino Bernardo, Emin Boztepe are 2 nmes that spring to mind as having been doing it for many years.
DippShits 2 years ago
One Kick. ;o)
spankstrel 2 years ago
I like it... I like it very much!
He´s fast, precise and creative!
This must be years of training....
CptAhnungslos 2 years ago 3
very very very very very very goooodddddddddddd
TheChipendale 2 years ago
I love this!
nucleicavalanche 2 years ago
RESPECT!
i'm dutch..
naamloosjeeee14 2 years ago 2
Wicked video, RESPECT!
ro1nocerowster 2 years ago
niceee