I watch this match and internally weep. There was a time where I looked forward to the Divas match more then Super Cena vs [insert heel here]. I broke for two year and come back, K2 is the champ. Where did they go wrong? DVDs revealed Santino won Miss Wrestlemania and that was it. Now they're a joke, a punchline for Michael Cole. All I can say is "Please Mickie James, come back. Your matches with Melina and Beth Phoenix are classics, we need your touch of class for the division." PS Go Beth!
wish beth wore more sexier costumes like in this match. she always wears the same type of glam suit but with different designs. she needs to change it up.
@123lexiluu I know She is doing good in TNA right now. But still, that doesn't mean she'll won't come back to WWE. She'll be back one of these days. Maybe a year or 2.
@sgauden02 Mickie James was released on a budget cut with Katie Lea, Shelton Benjamin, Funaki, & Jimmy Wang Yang. Instead of maybe burning less pyro on shows or best yet, Linda NOT running for senate (which is why she was cut, to scrounge up the 50 million for the campaign), they released her. That shows how much WWE thinks of her. Besides, its a safe bet she was miserable like Chavo, MVP, Batista and so on. I never say never, but I don't see Mickie coming back 'less there is a regime change
Mickie was NOT miserable. She loved her job in WWE, she said it herself. And her release was not due to a budget cut and it had NOTHING to do with Linda's run.If WWE didn't think any good of her, then why did they rank her at #7 of the top 25 greatest diva ever list? I've follwed this from day one, and you are insane if you think I don't know the situation. Mickie herself said that she'd never rule out returning to WWE. So don't tell me what I do and don't know, kid.
@sgauden02 Okay, why'd she leave? 5 people were released with her, followed by another 6 in December when the run failed. As for the list, Madusa was on it and she hates the WWE, so does Chyna. That list does what? Does it come with medals? Because they dropped her name on a list doesn't mean anything. They thought so much of her, her team lost at Wrestlemania and then she was gone before her final match aired. They loved her so much, she was taken off the WM 22 DVD to save space. Then Lay-cool.
@IAWINDTALKER What the hell do you mean her WM 22 match was taken off to save time? I own that DVD and it IS on there! And at WM 26 that match was more about Beth Phoenix and Lay-Cool, not Mickie. And Mickie's team won the next night on RAW. BTW, did you even hear yourself? You just said WWE released her, and then you asked why she left?! Are you an idiot? And Mickie is NOT angry at WWE, she said it herself. So don't even try to compare Mickie to Chyna or Madusa.
@sgauden02 Yes, the match was more about Beth and LayCool than Mickie. And why is that? Mickie James, the most over diva, returns from the first real injury-related hiatus she ever had that took her off the road for an extended period of time, but she gets no hype over her return at all? She does not even get her rematch or a proper continuation of her own feud with Vickie, who had cost her the title? They were already phasing her out of focus. And that's fair?
You're acting like it only happend to Mickie. It happens to MANY. I can't count how many times WWE has done that. And how do you know what WWE would've been planning? For all we know, they could've been thinking of renewing the feud somewhere down the road. You can't push the same person all off the time. There's only so much 1 person can do. Mickie said it herself, "No one can give 100% all the time." She was okay with it, so why shouldn't we be? Must we always think of the negatives?
@sgauden02 Where did say that it only happens to Mickie? I have brought up Gail Kim, Beth Phoenix, and Victoria. These women are all in the same class as Mickie James. The only difference between them and Mickie is that Mickie James was the most over diva in the division, even more over than those the WWE were pushing as centerpiece, and was too close to the record the WWE set with the greatest diva centerpiece they ever made. And how do I know what the WWE was planning? Well, I think they
pretty much followed through with what they were planning. They released Mickie James! No problem for them. They were already building Beth up as the next in line to put over McCool. Even if they had not tossed Mickie aside, you think treatment like that is good for her overness? This is the kind of treatment she got her entire career. I am not saying centerpieces like Trish and McCool never get depushed ever, but they are always slight and never really last that long. Meanwhile, the pushes for
women like Victoria or Mickie or Molly Holly always end, they never get the level of hype as the centerpiece, and the centerpiece always gets back the major focus. Think about this, how hard would it have been to have Beth feud with McCool over the title and just had Mickie have an angle against Vickie? That would have been fine. The two angles would have complimented each other, but Beth would be going after the title and Mickie would still have a storyline to keep focus on her. WWE were not
even trying for that. Mickie's return was treated like an afterthought, she became Beth's sidekick and jobber, and she got released. I'll agree that you can't push a person 100% of the time in title feuds. The WWE doesn't even do that for Cena, despite what some fans want to see. But when it comes to Mickie James, like I said before, that's all she was really getting. Was that all Trish or Lita ever got? No. They got multiple storylines alongside main eventers and men that actually did something
for them. Mickie James got an angle with John Cena that ended abruptly and did nothing meaningful for her character but make it look like her and Cena were trying to keep a relationship secret. That didn't elevate Mickie up the card. And her matches with Santino were comedy matches many other women had a taste of. They didn't push that far for her either. And what is the excuse for not giving your most over diva the things you gave Lita and Trish? Why push her like a woman who fails to get over?
Would rather WWE didn't push Mickie AT ALL? Mickie IS up there with Trish and Lita as far as many are concerned. Despite everything that you say, and what WWE may try to pretend, Mickie is a 6-Time champion in WWE, most held by a diva ever next to Trish, and she DID get some storylines that did good for her, and WWE has to acknowlege that. Yes, they do pretend things didn't happen sometimes, but that doesn't mean they don't BELIEVE it. Do you really that behind the scenes, WWE doesn't
@sgauden02 So it's either Mickie does not get pushed at all or she gets pushed to put over other women meant to get ahead of her or get filler pushes when those women are not around, and always get depushed after for no better reason than the WWE is done using her for the moment? Why can't I see Mickie James get centerpiece booking like Trish got or constantly getting major angles with the guys like Lita? Why can't I see her get the push someone of her overness deserves?
acknowlege some things? If you think WWE doesn't worry about TNA at all, you're nuts. It's pretty obvious that they watch TNA to see what they're dealing with. Yes, they can pretend things don't happen, but they can't ERASE them. Mickie has become the 1st women to become a Triple Crown Champion and despite what WWE outwardly ignores, they do know that is saying something on the inside. Mickie James was put on the WWE Alumini, so they do appreciate her. Maybe Mickie LIKED that she was helping
@sgauden02 I'm not saying WWE does not know TNA exists. They definitely take ideas from each other and trade shots. But will they acknowledge Mickie's success? Mickie James has won 7 major women's championships (6 from WWE, 1 from TNA). Even if Mickie James wins at least one more from TNA and goes back to being a regular in WWE, they will still push her as someone who belong in Trish's shadow. As long as this is a DIVA division, that is how it works. And the Alumni list is as trivial as that
list of influential women you mentioned before. It is a brass ring in every meaning of the word. It does not replace true good booking, hype, and everything else they do to build those they care about being major stars. That does not just show that they appreciate you, that shows they want to make something great out of you.
@ragged316 Exactly. WWE appreciates Mickie more than you're saying. You're making it sound like they hated her almost. And Mickie WAS pushed to the extent of Trist and Lita, maybe not for as long as they were, but she was nonetheless. And earlier you said they used Mickie as a jobber and Beth's sidekick when she returned and that's all til they released her. That was just for a FEW WEEKS. How do you know that if she hadn't been released, they wouldn't have used her again. And I can't
@sgauden02 Do you know what centerpiece booking is? It is when you are not the one who is being used to put over another woman meant to get ahead of you, you ARE that woman meant to be ahead of all the women pushed against you. Mickie was never getting that. That's not being pushed like Trish. And as I keep saying, Mickie never got one good stroryline outside of title feuds. That's not being pushed like Lita. And how would they have used her had they not released her? She's too over and too
close to Trish's record. How are you possibly going to push this woman when Michelle McCool is your top priority at that time? I'll ask again, why do you think Mickie was released?
believe you think they released Mickie just because they didn't have anything to do with her. Mickie's release was caused by a NUMBER of things. Not just one thing. And how can you say that Trish, Michelle, and Candice sucked? I think they were GREAT divas. Candice wasn't even used to her full potential. And what is so wrong with Kelly? I think she has a LOT of potential and was LONG over due for a title run.
@sgauden02 Where did I say that they sucked? All I am saying is that they were woman who came in with a certain image and lack of prior wrestling ability. I'm not saying they did not train. What I am saying is that these are the women who are getting centerpiece booking. These are the women who the majority of women who were hired with real pro wrestling experience are rotating around. And Kelly Kelly is not just getting a title run. She's their centerpiece. Watch how they will book her. Major
hype will go to her. The WWE will support her overness more than they ever wanted to support Mickie James staying over. As for Candice, they tried with this woman. Mickie James got depushed twice for the benefit of Candice Michelle in one year. I said it before, Candice flopped in her return match. Combine that with her being prone to injury and her overness that being better than Mickie's, you can see why the WWE had to move on to something else. Candice had her fair chance as centerpiece.
Mickie herself said that she thinks they wanted to take the divas in another direction, so you probably are right when you say that WWE wanted to push McCool, but that still doesn't mean Mickie's whole WWE run was meaningless. That's exactly what you're making it sound like. You are taking this way too far. WWE isn't just 1 person, it's many people who have different opinions, and everyone wants to try something different. The fact is that Mickie accomplished a lot in WWE, and they
@sgauden02 I read the same interview you did. I know when Mickie James said that might have been the reason they released her. But it isn't true. They were pushing McCool as centerpiece of Smackdown a year before they released Mickie. And it was still the same direction the diva division has always gone. I'm not saying her run WAS meaningless. I am saying it was supposed to be meaningless. She was never supposed to get over. She was supposed to be just another Victoria or Gail Kim. In the end,
overness is what it is really about. The titles and hype are just tools the WWE utilizes to get who they want over, and that includes using jobbers built up to put over centerpieces. And that is what people cannot get. Mickie James was supposed to be the kind of diva jobber who trades the titles with the women who matter, gets filler pushes, and then does trivial things of less hype during their run, but never get so over that the centerpieces cannot top her.
DO appreciate her. Despite everything you've said, no matter who the "centerpiece" is, it doesn't mean that Mickie will never return to WWE. It will NEVER be ruled out by Mickie, she said it herself. As Jim Ross said, "Never say Never." A WWE return is a REAL possibility one of these days, even if it won't happen right now.
@sgauden02 And return for what? So the WWE can turn her into Gail Kim? So the WWE can go back to using her mainly for the purpose of putting over women they value more as the true stars? This just isn't about Mickie James. Look at Gail Kim, Melina, Victoria, Ivory, Jackie, and a list of other women. The WWE has had major success in using these women as they see fit, then tossing them wherever without much of an uproar. They don't get as over as who the WWE wants to be the stars. Mickie James
did get over. She stayed over through her entire WWE run. You look at how they pushed and hyped her in relation to certain other women around her. She should not have stayed as over as she did. Mickie James accomplished something people don't even understand. And it is a lot more impressive than being a triple crown champion or possibly winning 8 title reigns.
Exactly. That is why a WWE return is a REAL possibilty. WWE knows that Mickie has something others don't. Just because someone is released, doesn't mean WWE never wants to see them again. And here's another question: How the hell do you know that Mickie would end up like Gail Kim? Gail Kim isn't being pushed because she blew it. She messed up several times when she returned, and some divas complained about it. That's why WWE quit her push. And Mickie has friends in the divas, including Kelly.
@sgauden02 What you are getting is that the WWE does not want what Mickie has. They don't want her to be in the way of who they want to be the major stars of the division. They don't want to have to be put in a position where she would have to step out of Trish's shadow and they would have to acknowledge it. And Gail Kim? Do you remember the start of 2010? Gail Kim had the best W/L record of any diva on the entire roster? Why? Not because the WWE wanted her over or because she was so over. She
got that push because Melina had just gotten injured. The WWE just needed someone to put over Maryse. So push Gail Kim! They handed her all these wins, had her job to McCool first, jobbed her to Maryse to hand her back the Diva's title, and Gail Kim was back to being meaningless again. And that is exactly what a lot of the pushes for Melina, Natalya, and a number of other women looks like, not just Mickie. They are only there to serve the WWE's own purpose. The WWE had no more purpose for Mickie
Mickie James is NOT Gail Kim. Mickie still Unlike Gail Kim, has 6 title wins in WWE, and Gail only has 1. But I'm done. We might as well end this conversation now because it's pretty clear that neither of us are listening. You believe what you want. And maybe you're right about some things you said, but that still doesn't change the fact that Mickie James ended up with a good run in WWE, and she DID leave a good enough legacy for WWE to possibly want her back sometime in the future. And with
@sgauden02 Number of title wins mean what if the WWE is going to cut you off to make sure you get no more after a point? And my whole point is that the only reason Mickie's run appears good is because she earned that overness on her own. Despite how the WWE pushed her, she managed to keep that overness ON HER OWN. While women like Trish, Lita, Chyna, and McCool were Constanta getting treated well, Mickie never was. That was a benefit to help them stay over and a sign of value.
her popularity, we don't know what would happen. We don't know what WWE would do. Maybe they will change things around, or have 2nd thoughts. No one can read the future. It is possible to have another good run with the company. Despite everything, Mickie still loved it in WWE and will never say she won't go back. A WWE return for her IS possible, and if/when it happens, THEN we'll see what happens. Live in the moment.
@sgauden02 You know, after more than 10 years of the women's division being pushed with these diva standards, I think it is pretty clear that you can predict what the WWE would do. This pattern has been going on since around 1998. Yeah, I will agree that the only real hope is for things to change and the diva standards to end. But what would actually lead to that? If Kelly Kelly or another centerpiece succeeds, even less reason to bring Mickie back and treat her well. They may bring her back to
hurt TNA, but what then? If they are not willing to push her as a Trish or a Lita or something in between, you basically have another Gail Kim or what Tara would have been had she gone back to the WWE.
One way or another, all we can do is wait and see. That's all anyone can do. Arguing about isn't gonna get us anywhere. The only thing I'm gonna say for my closing argument is that we can never say never about anything.
There is hope for the future. Hopefully, Kelly Kelly can bring the divas back up some. I think she has a lot of potential.
the buisness in that way. Mickie herself said that she loved everything she had done in WWE and wouldn't change any of it for the world. If she is happy with her acomplishments in WWE, then there is no reason we shouldn't be. I know what you're saying, that WWE should've used some of their diva more than others, but that's life, man. It happens everyday. Bitching about it can't help you. The way I see it, you can let it get you down, or you can appreciate what you HAVE accomplished.
@sgauden02 I'm sure Mickie James did love her time in the WWE and would love to go back. Thing is, THEY RELEASED HER. Whether Mickie returns or not is not a decision for as so much as it is THEIR DECISION. And you just don't seem to get that Mickie James was always the type of diva who either gets released or gets taken down to mediocrity until they ask to be released. How many of those women do you think really understand that they were hired to put over models as the greatest wrestlers in the
world? I am talking about those women who are hired with prior wrestling ability and get pushed mainly only in the diva division, unlike Chyna and Lita. I'm talking about the jobbers who traded titles with Sable, Trish, Candice, Maryse, McCool, and Kelly Kelly is next in line. They are being used for the benefit of a woman with a glamorous image and no prior wrestling ability. That is the diva division. If Mickie James enjoyed being used and treated like that, fine. It didn't damage her overness
but it must have been a real headache for the WWE, which is why they had to get rid of that sooner or later. Mickie James was remaining over, remaining patient, remaining loyal, and keeping up everything that led her to where she got. She must have thought that keeping it all up would make her something the WWE would be proud to have. What the WWE really wanted was for McCool to get over.
@sgauden02 This isn't just about whether Mickie James comes back to WWE or not. This is not even just about Mickie James. I am talking about the whole diva division. Yeah, it would be nice if WWE used more divas more, but that's not my point. Why are some divas getting used more than others? How are these underutilized divas being used when they are used? What is the purpose of the push? Who is the WWE using to make the stars and who are they building to be the stars? These are the kind of
questions you have to ask to figure out what the WWE is doing. You may not hit the nail on the head, not saying I am 100% of the time either, but that is how you get a better understanding of what is going on. That is how you understand what really went on with Mickie James and divas like her. If you want to end the discussion, fine. It doesn't end for me, not here, not when Mickie returns.
Fine. But really, we don't know what's gonna happen in the future. For all we know, the divas might be brought up in the coming years and WWE will be more serious about it. For all we know, they might even give Gail Kim the title at least once because they know she deserves it. As I said, all we can do is wait and see what happens. There is hope for the future. And when the company is ready for a better future for everyone, including the divas, all of this may someday come in God's due time.
@sgauden02 What rest is there to really stand by? I could see things like this coming. Whether they asked to be release or WWE no longer wanted them, I could tell by the way they were treated that this is how it would end sooner or later. I'm not happy about this stuff. For just the sake of respect to these 2 women, I'm not even going to continue the discussion here. I don't need to use them as fuel in what I'm saying. But another day, another video, I may say my piece again.
@sgauden02 The list really is meaningless. By releasing her, they are even making sure she never has to go any further. And they can just pretend her TNA run does not exist. And you've been following this from day 1? Go back to Mickie/Trish. Who was the centerpiece and who was being used to put over the centerpiece? Mickie James was not supposed to get cheered over Trish at WM22. And her career after that was full of her getting filler pushes and being used to put over other women who WWE wished
would have that overness. Pay attention to how many they treated her. Look at her 4th title reign. It took Candice getting injured twice before they gave Mickie the title. When Candice returned, they depushed Mickie once again. She never got one televised storyline outside of title feuds that saw a finish or did anything for her. You want to look at that Piggie James storyline again? They were not just telling stories. Michelle McCool was the centerpiece of the division, yet failing to get over.
They used Mickie James, the most over diva they never wanted, to get McCool finally looking like a great heel. And once they used her, they tossed her away to make sure a jobber never steps out of that 7 title reigns they like to attach to Trish when they say she is the greatest diva. And they are making sure it is even easier for the women they want to be monster over can get that over. I'll agree that Mickie was not miserable in the WWE. Working there was her dream. To her, the Piggie James
@ragged316 If she was too over for WWE's liking, the why do they keep people like Daniel Bryan? HE is also extremely over. And what do you mean "filler pushes"? Take a look at Kelly Kelly's title reign, it's almost no different than Mickie's. And Mickie did have more angles than "Trish's Biggest Fan" and "Piggy James". She also had the one where she was trying to beat Beth Phoenix. And seriously, if WWE really didn't want her to be top diva, they could've get released her to begin with.
@sgauden02 He's more over on the internet and smarks than he is with the general audience. Even then, I will give you that they have brought back guys like Daniel Bryan and Matt Hardy. And they can also push the guys anywhere and everywhere. There are more feuds going on for the guys at any single time than there are for the divas on any given brand. That also means that a guy like Daniel Bryan or Matt Hardy will never have to get to close to beating any records the WWE does not want broken
by them. Then combine that with the fact that the WWE is not having a problem getting John Cena or Randy Orton from getting a reaction or get talked about. The WWE diva division is more closed than the men's division. You are looking at Kelly Kelly's first title reign and comparing to what I said about Mickie's entire WWE run in general? That is a mistake. Unless Kelly Kelly flops, the title will naturally be coming back to her many times in the future without some other model getting injured
for it to happen. Kelly Kelly is following in the line of Stratus, who always traded the title with the real women's wrestlers. Kelly Kelly is the next centerpiece. I said Mickie James never got one televised storyline that saw a proper finish or ended up doing anything really for her. You bring up her feud with Beth? First, that was a title feud. That is where Mickie won her 4th reign. Second, that was a filler push because the woman they would rather push, Candice, got hurt twice.
When Candice was ready to return again, they took the title back off Mickie and back onto Beth so she could put over Candice, who unfortunately did very poorly in her return match. WWE gave up on pushing her as centerpiece. Even then, WWE did not give Mickie another push or any proper hype after that. They just let things run in various directions until Melina came back. And why release her too soon? First of all, nothing like Mickie James had ever occurred in the diva division. It would be easy
for the WWE to think she only got over because of her gimmick. If they just depushed her and never hyped her properly, which is what they always do with divas they use primarily to put over centerpieces, the overness would die and Mickie James would be just another Victoria or Gail Kim. Who there could have really have seen that treating her as average would not lead to an average overness? Besides, releasing Mickie James without getting as much worth as you can from her? They could use her to
put over the other centerpieces and use her loyalty to have her promote the WWE. But was the WWE really ever promoting her? I know they used her to sell video games here and there, but did they actually market her like TNA is at least doing? I don't think so. To the WWE, she was not a major star. They did not want her to be a major star. Look at Beth Phoenix. She is getting pushed now, but I can guarantee a depush will come for her soon enough whether she gets as over as Mickie or not.
WWE promoted Mickie more than you're saying. It's not like that didn't do it at all. I think you're crazy for saying Mickie wasn't a big star in WWE. She's been called one of the greatest divas ever and is a 6-times champion. It's obvious that you're comparing Mickie to Christian. Yes, Christian barely got a push, and you're probably gonna say he'll be dropped back to mid-card after the feud with Randy. But have you ever looked on the bright side of things rather than picking out all the bad?
@sgauden02 I'm not saying Mickie was not the most over diva left on the roster in the WWE. I am saying they did not want that. She was not supposed to get so over that the mediocre treatment she received after her debut push would not turn her into another regular diva used as a sidekick or jobber to the centerpiece. And who has called her one of the greatest divas? Now that she's gone from WWE, they never have to say that again, never have to give her 7 title reigns, and never have to even
play with the idea that this woman is better than Trish or any of the women they do want to be the next Trish. And Christian? Yeah, he will be dropped back to the midcard. And I can look at the bright side of things. Just like I said for Daniel Bryan and Matt Hardy, there are multiple options to still push the men to make them look good and stay over. I'll ask again, how many angles did Mickie get that did not involve the title that did not get randomly dropped or did anything major for her
@IAWINDTALKER Mickie James was not simply let go because of budget cuts. If budget is such an issue, why not release Cena? Because he is their centerpiece. Mickie was their most over diva, but she was not their centerpiece. That is why she was expendable. Women like Mickie James and Beth are the jobbers who put over the centerpiece. When the centerpiece gets injured or leaves, WWE pushes the jobbers like they matter. Just filler pushes. That is why so many divas fail to get over. They're not
supposed to get over. Go back to Mickie's debut and look at her entire career. She wasn't supposed to get over. And with the inconsistent pushes and lack of hype she was getting, she should not have remained as the most over diva in the WWE. And do you think they would let a woman like this tie Trish's record or always be in the way of who they do want over? They're not going to let a jobber whose overness they cannot kill ruin the diva division.
i think wwe should have kept mickie,beth,melina,michele mccool,candice and a few others but they are the good divas who can actually wrestle,so i dont think divas like eve deserve championships coz mickie beth and melina were like the hard working divas for there championships.
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They always have great matches! especially that match for the divas championship on 8-24-09.(my birthday) it was amazing but i would have loved to see Beth as champ again!
mickie and beth had a rlly gd feud, the crowd cared during there matches, michelle melina fued is going good now. I'd like to see beth as champ again soon.
smackdown and ecw dont use there divas proberly only raw does and it has better divas but i wolud like to see michelle move to raw and get in a storyline with beth and win the womens chamption
@04bia smackdown uses there divas properly raw divas are not used the right way maryse,melina and gail are the best they got, eve is improving but she makes botches in everymatch, kelly kelly shes starting to job to alicia and maryse now
alicia shes good so is jillian and katie the bellas are good when they have a match they need to mix the divas up, if u saw on monday there trying to get the raw divas involved in the sd divas fued but im not sure it will work
yea i want psycho mickie 2 but it would B wiard i she is face and Psycho so i think it should B like
Mickie & Kelly vs Beth & jillian and mickie wins and holding kelly´s arm in the air like winner posesion but then she make a kind of Kick to Kelly kelly´s face and then screaming about kelly is getting all the credit or some thing and then we see Beth backstage and then mickie attack her to so she´s not gonna B face or Hell just psycho
Katie Lea Will face Mickie James for the Championship....... Mickie Have been beaten by her Easyly What is wrong with her. She Beat Trish and Lita Ohhh and Victoria.... Beating Katie Lea is Nothing......I hope tha katie win the Champion and Then Candice Should win the title from her.
And oooh yah they have seen what the wrestling fans reaction to TNA's Knockout Woman's Division and the reaction to the diva division that WWE had from 2006- late 2007 and adjusted. Trust me, WWE didn't get to the top by ignoring fans and competition - they totally changed it from playboy / diva search girls dominating to OVW and/or skilled wrestlers dominating the spotlight for a REASON. Don't think they totally ignore TNA, if you believe that your a fool.
Beth wasn't actually stiff in this match, surprisingly it was the Woman's Champion who preformed poorly both offensively and selling. Melina should be champion right now IMHO but they need to extend the rivalry with precieved #1 contendor Beth first, she's gotta find a way to knock Beth out of the title picture or win against Mickie in a triple threat.
What do you mean? Drafted away from RAW or what? Every diva will be in the Draft... as for who I'd like to see on RAW would pretty much be the same wrestlers since Natalya is the #1 contendor for the new Smackdown/ECW Diva Belt so she doesn't need to be on RAW.
Who I'd take AWAY from RAW would be Maria and Ashley and put Victoria on RAW and maybe Kelly Kelly since she's so popular (and to balance out things, there has to be one mediocre diva wrestler on the show lol)
......Michelle Should go to Raw but they have the title in smackdown too. Melina Should go to smackdown more competition for Natalya and Victoria. Cherry to Raw. Maryse to Ecw. Mickie,Candice,Katie Lea, Beth should stay on Raw. Jillian Should Be move too. I dont care to what roster.
omg i luv mickie i really do but her matches with beth suck. i mean they fought like millions of times and there so sloppy together. Mickie fights well with melina, victoria, jillian, and i could see her fighting neidhart and katie lea. They really need 2 think of someone else for mickie 2 fight cause her + beth= crap match but i love beth vs melina.
Melina and Beth phoenix fued is Better than Mickie's Romance. They should give the title to Melian,Beth or Candice.......Mickie is being just use for pushes...... THEY ARE NOT REALLY USING HER HAS A GREAT Wrestler.
What do you mean using her for PUSHES? She's the fricken Woman's Champion, the top diva in the buisness. Definately Melina vs Beth fued is way outshining her little stupid romance storyline (excuse me, it's not stupid since I guess they are in one in real life but ya know).
Mickie's just got alot on her mind and she's getting ring rust not defending the title or at PPVs. Unfortunately that's REALLY her wrestling, they aren't trying to dumb her down or anything.
I dunno, in the past its proved dangerous to do that with real relationships (Lita, Chyna) but half the time it works out. I don't think they will go too far with it so it will work out, back then they were more assholeish about it if you will lol. Besides they wouldn't wanna upset their golden boy Cena!
Yah the romance stuff kinda distracts from the top spot in the buisness (a champion). Mickie hasn't been much of a fighting champion since the storyline of the real life romance. Potentially before Melina and Beth fued she had the chance to be the most fighting woman's champion of all time against so many talented diva heels but Melina turned so the face diva side is more respectable as real wrestlers so that chance got shutdown.
I love mickie outfit so much nd if she return wwe it get the divas division All the way up
ivchannel1 1 month ago
god I hate this outfit on mickie, such a ugly colors
RKOyou 3 months ago
i love melina
lilcolemanable 4 months ago
this was when WWE actually cared about their divas...
TeamLayCoolx 5 months ago
I watch this match and internally weep. There was a time where I looked forward to the Divas match more then Super Cena vs [insert heel here]. I broke for two year and come back, K2 is the champ. Where did they go wrong? DVDs revealed Santino won Miss Wrestlemania and that was it. Now they're a joke, a punchline for Michael Cole. All I can say is "Please Mickie James, come back. Your matches with Melina and Beth Phoenix are classics, we need your touch of class for the division." PS Go Beth!
IAWINDTALKER 5 months ago
I always enjoyed seeing these two wrestle each other
Jericho8131 7 months ago
wish beth wore more sexier costumes like in this match. she always wears the same type of glam suit but with different designs. she needs to change it up.
EX1515 7 months ago
Please Mickie, come back to WWE.
sgauden02 8 months ago 2
@sgauden02 ik i miss her to but u know mayb she will one day i hope!:):(
123lexiluu 6 months ago
@123lexiluu One of these days, my friend. One of these days/
sgauden02 6 months ago
@sgauden02 ya but shes been doin really good in tna in tna but now john cena might get fired i frickien hate vince hes a bitch!
123lexiluu 6 months ago
@123lexiluu I know She is doing good in TNA right now. But still, that doesn't mean she'll won't come back to WWE. She'll be back one of these days. Maybe a year or 2.
sgauden02 6 months ago
@sgauden02 Mickie James was released on a budget cut with Katie Lea, Shelton Benjamin, Funaki, & Jimmy Wang Yang. Instead of maybe burning less pyro on shows or best yet, Linda NOT running for senate (which is why she was cut, to scrounge up the 50 million for the campaign), they released her. That shows how much WWE thinks of her. Besides, its a safe bet she was miserable like Chavo, MVP, Batista and so on. I never say never, but I don't see Mickie coming back 'less there is a regime change
IAWINDTALKER 5 months ago
Mickie was NOT miserable. She loved her job in WWE, she said it herself. And her release was not due to a budget cut and it had NOTHING to do with Linda's run.If WWE didn't think any good of her, then why did they rank her at #7 of the top 25 greatest diva ever list? I've follwed this from day one, and you are insane if you think I don't know the situation. Mickie herself said that she'd never rule out returning to WWE. So don't tell me what I do and don't know, kid.
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 Okay, why'd she leave? 5 people were released with her, followed by another 6 in December when the run failed. As for the list, Madusa was on it and she hates the WWE, so does Chyna. That list does what? Does it come with medals? Because they dropped her name on a list doesn't mean anything. They thought so much of her, her team lost at Wrestlemania and then she was gone before her final match aired. They loved her so much, she was taken off the WM 22 DVD to save space. Then Lay-cool.
IAWINDTALKER 5 months ago
@IAWINDTALKER What the hell do you mean her WM 22 match was taken off to save time? I own that DVD and it IS on there! And at WM 26 that match was more about Beth Phoenix and Lay-Cool, not Mickie. And Mickie's team won the next night on RAW. BTW, did you even hear yourself? You just said WWE released her, and then you asked why she left?! Are you an idiot? And Mickie is NOT angry at WWE, she said it herself. So don't even try to compare Mickie to Chyna or Madusa.
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 Yes, the match was more about Beth and LayCool than Mickie. And why is that? Mickie James, the most over diva, returns from the first real injury-related hiatus she ever had that took her off the road for an extended period of time, but she gets no hype over her return at all? She does not even get her rematch or a proper continuation of her own feud with Vickie, who had cost her the title? They were already phasing her out of focus. And that's fair?
ragged316 5 months ago
You're acting like it only happend to Mickie. It happens to MANY. I can't count how many times WWE has done that. And how do you know what WWE would've been planning? For all we know, they could've been thinking of renewing the feud somewhere down the road. You can't push the same person all off the time. There's only so much 1 person can do. Mickie said it herself, "No one can give 100% all the time." She was okay with it, so why shouldn't we be? Must we always think of the negatives?
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 Where did say that it only happens to Mickie? I have brought up Gail Kim, Beth Phoenix, and Victoria. These women are all in the same class as Mickie James. The only difference between them and Mickie is that Mickie James was the most over diva in the division, even more over than those the WWE were pushing as centerpiece, and was too close to the record the WWE set with the greatest diva centerpiece they ever made. And how do I know what the WWE was planning? Well, I think they
ragged316 5 months ago
pretty much followed through with what they were planning. They released Mickie James! No problem for them. They were already building Beth up as the next in line to put over McCool. Even if they had not tossed Mickie aside, you think treatment like that is good for her overness? This is the kind of treatment she got her entire career. I am not saying centerpieces like Trish and McCool never get depushed ever, but they are always slight and never really last that long. Meanwhile, the pushes for
ragged316 5 months ago
women like Victoria or Mickie or Molly Holly always end, they never get the level of hype as the centerpiece, and the centerpiece always gets back the major focus. Think about this, how hard would it have been to have Beth feud with McCool over the title and just had Mickie have an angle against Vickie? That would have been fine. The two angles would have complimented each other, but Beth would be going after the title and Mickie would still have a storyline to keep focus on her. WWE were not
ragged316 5 months ago
even trying for that. Mickie's return was treated like an afterthought, she became Beth's sidekick and jobber, and she got released. I'll agree that you can't push a person 100% of the time in title feuds. The WWE doesn't even do that for Cena, despite what some fans want to see. But when it comes to Mickie James, like I said before, that's all she was really getting. Was that all Trish or Lita ever got? No. They got multiple storylines alongside main eventers and men that actually did something
ragged316 5 months ago
for them. Mickie James got an angle with John Cena that ended abruptly and did nothing meaningful for her character but make it look like her and Cena were trying to keep a relationship secret. That didn't elevate Mickie up the card. And her matches with Santino were comedy matches many other women had a taste of. They didn't push that far for her either. And what is the excuse for not giving your most over diva the things you gave Lita and Trish? Why push her like a woman who fails to get over?
ragged316 5 months ago
Would rather WWE didn't push Mickie AT ALL? Mickie IS up there with Trish and Lita as far as many are concerned. Despite everything that you say, and what WWE may try to pretend, Mickie is a 6-Time champion in WWE, most held by a diva ever next to Trish, and she DID get some storylines that did good for her, and WWE has to acknowlege that. Yes, they do pretend things didn't happen sometimes, but that doesn't mean they don't BELIEVE it. Do you really that behind the scenes, WWE doesn't
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 So it's either Mickie does not get pushed at all or she gets pushed to put over other women meant to get ahead of her or get filler pushes when those women are not around, and always get depushed after for no better reason than the WWE is done using her for the moment? Why can't I see Mickie James get centerpiece booking like Trish got or constantly getting major angles with the guys like Lita? Why can't I see her get the push someone of her overness deserves?
ragged316 5 months ago
acknowlege some things? If you think WWE doesn't worry about TNA at all, you're nuts. It's pretty obvious that they watch TNA to see what they're dealing with. Yes, they can pretend things don't happen, but they can't ERASE them. Mickie has become the 1st women to become a Triple Crown Champion and despite what WWE outwardly ignores, they do know that is saying something on the inside. Mickie James was put on the WWE Alumini, so they do appreciate her. Maybe Mickie LIKED that she was helping
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 I'm not saying WWE does not know TNA exists. They definitely take ideas from each other and trade shots. But will they acknowledge Mickie's success? Mickie James has won 7 major women's championships (6 from WWE, 1 from TNA). Even if Mickie James wins at least one more from TNA and goes back to being a regular in WWE, they will still push her as someone who belong in Trish's shadow. As long as this is a DIVA division, that is how it works. And the Alumni list is as trivial as that
ragged316 5 months ago
list of influential women you mentioned before. It is a brass ring in every meaning of the word. It does not replace true good booking, hype, and everything else they do to build those they care about being major stars. That does not just show that they appreciate you, that shows they want to make something great out of you.
ragged316 5 months ago
@ragged316 Exactly. WWE appreciates Mickie more than you're saying. You're making it sound like they hated her almost. And Mickie WAS pushed to the extent of Trist and Lita, maybe not for as long as they were, but she was nonetheless. And earlier you said they used Mickie as a jobber and Beth's sidekick when she returned and that's all til they released her. That was just for a FEW WEEKS. How do you know that if she hadn't been released, they wouldn't have used her again. And I can't
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 Do you know what centerpiece booking is? It is when you are not the one who is being used to put over another woman meant to get ahead of you, you ARE that woman meant to be ahead of all the women pushed against you. Mickie was never getting that. That's not being pushed like Trish. And as I keep saying, Mickie never got one good stroryline outside of title feuds. That's not being pushed like Lita. And how would they have used her had they not released her? She's too over and too
ragged316 5 months ago
close to Trish's record. How are you possibly going to push this woman when Michelle McCool is your top priority at that time? I'll ask again, why do you think Mickie was released?
ragged316 5 months ago
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sgauden02 5 months ago
believe you think they released Mickie just because they didn't have anything to do with her. Mickie's release was caused by a NUMBER of things. Not just one thing. And how can you say that Trish, Michelle, and Candice sucked? I think they were GREAT divas. Candice wasn't even used to her full potential. And what is so wrong with Kelly? I think she has a LOT of potential and was LONG over due for a title run.
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 Where did I say that they sucked? All I am saying is that they were woman who came in with a certain image and lack of prior wrestling ability. I'm not saying they did not train. What I am saying is that these are the women who are getting centerpiece booking. These are the women who the majority of women who were hired with real pro wrestling experience are rotating around. And Kelly Kelly is not just getting a title run. She's their centerpiece. Watch how they will book her. Major
ragged316 5 months ago
hype will go to her. The WWE will support her overness more than they ever wanted to support Mickie James staying over. As for Candice, they tried with this woman. Mickie James got depushed twice for the benefit of Candice Michelle in one year. I said it before, Candice flopped in her return match. Combine that with her being prone to injury and her overness that being better than Mickie's, you can see why the WWE had to move on to something else. Candice had her fair chance as centerpiece.
ragged316 5 months ago
Mickie herself said that she thinks they wanted to take the divas in another direction, so you probably are right when you say that WWE wanted to push McCool, but that still doesn't mean Mickie's whole WWE run was meaningless. That's exactly what you're making it sound like. You are taking this way too far. WWE isn't just 1 person, it's many people who have different opinions, and everyone wants to try something different. The fact is that Mickie accomplished a lot in WWE, and they
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 I read the same interview you did. I know when Mickie James said that might have been the reason they released her. But it isn't true. They were pushing McCool as centerpiece of Smackdown a year before they released Mickie. And it was still the same direction the diva division has always gone. I'm not saying her run WAS meaningless. I am saying it was supposed to be meaningless. She was never supposed to get over. She was supposed to be just another Victoria or Gail Kim. In the end,
ragged316 5 months ago
overness is what it is really about. The titles and hype are just tools the WWE utilizes to get who they want over, and that includes using jobbers built up to put over centerpieces. And that is what people cannot get. Mickie James was supposed to be the kind of diva jobber who trades the titles with the women who matter, gets filler pushes, and then does trivial things of less hype during their run, but never get so over that the centerpieces cannot top her.
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sgauden02 5 months ago
DO appreciate her. Despite everything you've said, no matter who the "centerpiece" is, it doesn't mean that Mickie will never return to WWE. It will NEVER be ruled out by Mickie, she said it herself. As Jim Ross said, "Never say Never." A WWE return is a REAL possibility one of these days, even if it won't happen right now.
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 And return for what? So the WWE can turn her into Gail Kim? So the WWE can go back to using her mainly for the purpose of putting over women they value more as the true stars? This just isn't about Mickie James. Look at Gail Kim, Melina, Victoria, Ivory, Jackie, and a list of other women. The WWE has had major success in using these women as they see fit, then tossing them wherever without much of an uproar. They don't get as over as who the WWE wants to be the stars. Mickie James
ragged316 5 months ago
did get over. She stayed over through her entire WWE run. You look at how they pushed and hyped her in relation to certain other women around her. She should not have stayed as over as she did. Mickie James accomplished something people don't even understand. And it is a lot more impressive than being a triple crown champion or possibly winning 8 title reigns.
ragged316 5 months ago
Exactly. That is why a WWE return is a REAL possibilty. WWE knows that Mickie has something others don't. Just because someone is released, doesn't mean WWE never wants to see them again. And here's another question: How the hell do you know that Mickie would end up like Gail Kim? Gail Kim isn't being pushed because she blew it. She messed up several times when she returned, and some divas complained about it. That's why WWE quit her push. And Mickie has friends in the divas, including Kelly.
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 What you are getting is that the WWE does not want what Mickie has. They don't want her to be in the way of who they want to be the major stars of the division. They don't want to have to be put in a position where she would have to step out of Trish's shadow and they would have to acknowledge it. And Gail Kim? Do you remember the start of 2010? Gail Kim had the best W/L record of any diva on the entire roster? Why? Not because the WWE wanted her over or because she was so over. She
ragged316 5 months ago
got that push because Melina had just gotten injured. The WWE just needed someone to put over Maryse. So push Gail Kim! They handed her all these wins, had her job to McCool first, jobbed her to Maryse to hand her back the Diva's title, and Gail Kim was back to being meaningless again. And that is exactly what a lot of the pushes for Melina, Natalya, and a number of other women looks like, not just Mickie. They are only there to serve the WWE's own purpose. The WWE had no more purpose for Mickie
ragged316 5 months ago
If they bring her back to a diva division run by these same standards, they will most likely try to make her another Gail Kim.
ragged316 5 months ago
Mickie James is NOT Gail Kim. Mickie still Unlike Gail Kim, has 6 title wins in WWE, and Gail only has 1. But I'm done. We might as well end this conversation now because it's pretty clear that neither of us are listening. You believe what you want. And maybe you're right about some things you said, but that still doesn't change the fact that Mickie James ended up with a good run in WWE, and she DID leave a good enough legacy for WWE to possibly want her back sometime in the future. And with
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 Number of title wins mean what if the WWE is going to cut you off to make sure you get no more after a point? And my whole point is that the only reason Mickie's run appears good is because she earned that overness on her own. Despite how the WWE pushed her, she managed to keep that overness ON HER OWN. While women like Trish, Lita, Chyna, and McCool were Constanta getting treated well, Mickie never was. That was a benefit to help them stay over and a sign of value.
ragged316 5 months ago
her popularity, we don't know what would happen. We don't know what WWE would do. Maybe they will change things around, or have 2nd thoughts. No one can read the future. It is possible to have another good run with the company. Despite everything, Mickie still loved it in WWE and will never say she won't go back. A WWE return for her IS possible, and if/when it happens, THEN we'll see what happens. Live in the moment.
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 You know, after more than 10 years of the women's division being pushed with these diva standards, I think it is pretty clear that you can predict what the WWE would do. This pattern has been going on since around 1998. Yeah, I will agree that the only real hope is for things to change and the diva standards to end. But what would actually lead to that? If Kelly Kelly or another centerpiece succeeds, even less reason to bring Mickie back and treat her well. They may bring her back to
ragged316 5 months ago
hurt TNA, but what then? If they are not willing to push her as a Trish or a Lita or something in between, you basically have another Gail Kim or what Tara would have been had she gone back to the WWE.
ragged316 5 months ago
One way or another, all we can do is wait and see. That's all anyone can do. Arguing about isn't gonna get us anywhere. The only thing I'm gonna say for my closing argument is that we can never say never about anything.
There is hope for the future. Hopefully, Kelly Kelly can bring the divas back up some. I think she has a lot of potential.
sgauden02 5 months ago
the buisness in that way. Mickie herself said that she loved everything she had done in WWE and wouldn't change any of it for the world. If she is happy with her acomplishments in WWE, then there is no reason we shouldn't be. I know what you're saying, that WWE should've used some of their diva more than others, but that's life, man. It happens everyday. Bitching about it can't help you. The way I see it, you can let it get you down, or you can appreciate what you HAVE accomplished.
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 I'm sure Mickie James did love her time in the WWE and would love to go back. Thing is, THEY RELEASED HER. Whether Mickie returns or not is not a decision for as so much as it is THEIR DECISION. And you just don't seem to get that Mickie James was always the type of diva who either gets released or gets taken down to mediocrity until they ask to be released. How many of those women do you think really understand that they were hired to put over models as the greatest wrestlers in the
ragged316 5 months ago
world? I am talking about those women who are hired with prior wrestling ability and get pushed mainly only in the diva division, unlike Chyna and Lita. I'm talking about the jobbers who traded titles with Sable, Trish, Candice, Maryse, McCool, and Kelly Kelly is next in line. They are being used for the benefit of a woman with a glamorous image and no prior wrestling ability. That is the diva division. If Mickie James enjoyed being used and treated like that, fine. It didn't damage her overness
ragged316 5 months ago
but it must have been a real headache for the WWE, which is why they had to get rid of that sooner or later. Mickie James was remaining over, remaining patient, remaining loyal, and keeping up everything that led her to where she got. She must have thought that keeping it all up would make her something the WWE would be proud to have. What the WWE really wanted was for McCool to get over.
ragged316 5 months ago
@sgauden02 This isn't just about whether Mickie James comes back to WWE or not. This is not even just about Mickie James. I am talking about the whole diva division. Yeah, it would be nice if WWE used more divas more, but that's not my point. Why are some divas getting used more than others? How are these underutilized divas being used when they are used? What is the purpose of the push? Who is the WWE using to make the stars and who are they building to be the stars? These are the kind of
ragged316 5 months ago
questions you have to ask to figure out what the WWE is doing. You may not hit the nail on the head, not saying I am 100% of the time either, but that is how you get a better understanding of what is going on. That is how you understand what really went on with Mickie James and divas like her. If you want to end the discussion, fine. It doesn't end for me, not here, not when Mickie returns.
ragged316 5 months ago
Fine. But really, we don't know what's gonna happen in the future. For all we know, the divas might be brought up in the coming years and WWE will be more serious about it. For all we know, they might even give Gail Kim the title at least once because they know she deserves it. As I said, all we can do is wait and see what happens. There is hope for the future. And when the company is ready for a better future for everyone, including the divas, all of this may someday come in God's due time.
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 Yeah, how many titles will Gail Kim be getting from WWE now? And Melina?
ragged316 5 months ago
@ragged316 You got me there, I just found out. But I still stand by the rest.
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 What rest is there to really stand by? I could see things like this coming. Whether they asked to be release or WWE no longer wanted them, I could tell by the way they were treated that this is how it would end sooner or later. I'm not happy about this stuff. For just the sake of respect to these 2 women, I'm not even going to continue the discussion here. I don't need to use them as fuel in what I'm saying. But another day, another video, I may say my piece again.
ragged316 5 months ago
@sgauden02 The list really is meaningless. By releasing her, they are even making sure she never has to go any further. And they can just pretend her TNA run does not exist. And you've been following this from day 1? Go back to Mickie/Trish. Who was the centerpiece and who was being used to put over the centerpiece? Mickie James was not supposed to get cheered over Trish at WM22. And her career after that was full of her getting filler pushes and being used to put over other women who WWE wished
ragged316 5 months ago
would have that overness. Pay attention to how many they treated her. Look at her 4th title reign. It took Candice getting injured twice before they gave Mickie the title. When Candice returned, they depushed Mickie once again. She never got one televised storyline outside of title feuds that saw a finish or did anything for her. You want to look at that Piggie James storyline again? They were not just telling stories. Michelle McCool was the centerpiece of the division, yet failing to get over.
ragged316 5 months ago
They used Mickie James, the most over diva they never wanted, to get McCool finally looking like a great heel. And once they used her, they tossed her away to make sure a jobber never steps out of that 7 title reigns they like to attach to Trish when they say she is the greatest diva. And they are making sure it is even easier for the women they want to be monster over can get that over. I'll agree that Mickie was not miserable in the WWE. Working there was her dream. To her, the Piggie James
ragged316 5 months ago
storyline was just another storyline. She was loyal and patient. But she was too over for the WWE's liking.
ragged316 5 months ago
@ragged316 If she was too over for WWE's liking, the why do they keep people like Daniel Bryan? HE is also extremely over. And what do you mean "filler pushes"? Take a look at Kelly Kelly's title reign, it's almost no different than Mickie's. And Mickie did have more angles than "Trish's Biggest Fan" and "Piggy James". She also had the one where she was trying to beat Beth Phoenix. And seriously, if WWE really didn't want her to be top diva, they could've get released her to begin with.
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 He's more over on the internet and smarks than he is with the general audience. Even then, I will give you that they have brought back guys like Daniel Bryan and Matt Hardy. And they can also push the guys anywhere and everywhere. There are more feuds going on for the guys at any single time than there are for the divas on any given brand. That also means that a guy like Daniel Bryan or Matt Hardy will never have to get to close to beating any records the WWE does not want broken
ragged316 5 months ago
by them. Then combine that with the fact that the WWE is not having a problem getting John Cena or Randy Orton from getting a reaction or get talked about. The WWE diva division is more closed than the men's division. You are looking at Kelly Kelly's first title reign and comparing to what I said about Mickie's entire WWE run in general? That is a mistake. Unless Kelly Kelly flops, the title will naturally be coming back to her many times in the future without some other model getting injured
ragged316 5 months ago
for it to happen. Kelly Kelly is following in the line of Stratus, who always traded the title with the real women's wrestlers. Kelly Kelly is the next centerpiece. I said Mickie James never got one televised storyline that saw a proper finish or ended up doing anything really for her. You bring up her feud with Beth? First, that was a title feud. That is where Mickie won her 4th reign. Second, that was a filler push because the woman they would rather push, Candice, got hurt twice.
ragged316 5 months ago
When Candice was ready to return again, they took the title back off Mickie and back onto Beth so she could put over Candice, who unfortunately did very poorly in her return match. WWE gave up on pushing her as centerpiece. Even then, WWE did not give Mickie another push or any proper hype after that. They just let things run in various directions until Melina came back. And why release her too soon? First of all, nothing like Mickie James had ever occurred in the diva division. It would be easy
ragged316 5 months ago
for the WWE to think she only got over because of her gimmick. If they just depushed her and never hyped her properly, which is what they always do with divas they use primarily to put over centerpieces, the overness would die and Mickie James would be just another Victoria or Gail Kim. Who there could have really have seen that treating her as average would not lead to an average overness? Besides, releasing Mickie James without getting as much worth as you can from her? They could use her to
ragged316 5 months ago
put over the other centerpieces and use her loyalty to have her promote the WWE. But was the WWE really ever promoting her? I know they used her to sell video games here and there, but did they actually market her like TNA is at least doing? I don't think so. To the WWE, she was not a major star. They did not want her to be a major star. Look at Beth Phoenix. She is getting pushed now, but I can guarantee a depush will come for her soon enough whether she gets as over as Mickie or not.
ragged316 5 months ago
WWE promoted Mickie more than you're saying. It's not like that didn't do it at all. I think you're crazy for saying Mickie wasn't a big star in WWE. She's been called one of the greatest divas ever and is a 6-times champion. It's obvious that you're comparing Mickie to Christian. Yes, Christian barely got a push, and you're probably gonna say he'll be dropped back to mid-card after the feud with Randy. But have you ever looked on the bright side of things rather than picking out all the bad?
sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 I'm not saying Mickie was not the most over diva left on the roster in the WWE. I am saying they did not want that. She was not supposed to get so over that the mediocre treatment she received after her debut push would not turn her into another regular diva used as a sidekick or jobber to the centerpiece. And who has called her one of the greatest divas? Now that she's gone from WWE, they never have to say that again, never have to give her 7 title reigns, and never have to even
ragged316 5 months ago
play with the idea that this woman is better than Trish or any of the women they do want to be the next Trish. And Christian? Yeah, he will be dropped back to the midcard. And I can look at the bright side of things. Just like I said for Daniel Bryan and Matt Hardy, there are multiple options to still push the men to make them look good and stay over. I'll ask again, how many angles did Mickie get that did not involve the title that did not get randomly dropped or did anything major for her
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sgauden02 5 months ago
@sgauden02 Let me just ask you something then. Why was Mickie James released?
ragged316 5 months ago
@IAWINDTALKER Mickie James was not simply let go because of budget cuts. If budget is such an issue, why not release Cena? Because he is their centerpiece. Mickie was their most over diva, but she was not their centerpiece. That is why she was expendable. Women like Mickie James and Beth are the jobbers who put over the centerpiece. When the centerpiece gets injured or leaves, WWE pushes the jobbers like they matter. Just filler pushes. That is why so many divas fail to get over. They're not
ragged316 5 months ago
supposed to get over. Go back to Mickie's debut and look at her entire career. She wasn't supposed to get over. And with the inconsistent pushes and lack of hype she was getting, she should not have remained as the most over diva in the WWE. And do you think they would let a woman like this tie Trish's record or always be in the way of who they do want over? They're not going to let a jobber whose overness they cannot kill ruin the diva division.
ragged316 5 months ago
MICKIE IS SO FINE!!!!!!!!!!
zwinky567 8 months ago
YOU GO MELINA! i saw the i quit match (pretty intense) the way beth bent her neck im gald melina got revenge
spongebob29able 8 months ago
These 2 always but great matches most of the time
jillfan1 1 year ago
i remember this match
greggwayne12 1 year ago
oh n the womens title back :(
891chrisss 1 year ago
i miss these old times mickie should have stayed beth as a heel melina as a face like this n michelle also heel but not like she is with laycool
891chrisss 1 year ago
i think wwe should have kept mickie,beth,melina,michele mccool,candice and a few others but they are the good divas who can actually wrestle,so i dont think divas like eve deserve championships coz mickie beth and melina were like the hard working divas for there championships.
bethdominix 1 year ago 3
these divas need to get better outfits except for mickie james, beth phoenix, kelly kelly, maryse, melina, michelle mccool, and eve
suwu916 1 year ago
mickie james is the best diva on the world!!!
kingpin5065 1 year ago
The Punches that Melina Gave to beth at 4:26 to 2:30 lookes fake
721Tiki 1 year ago
Need JR and the KING back as a TEAM!
barbie11ification 1 year ago 2
@barbie11ification yeah Michael Cole is just annoying
LegendKillingChain 1 year ago
At 2:10 Thats How She Mickie DT'd Beth In The Divas Championship Match.
ShaqLovett 1 year ago 3
NICE JOB MELINA AND MICKIE YOU GUYS ROCK
msterria9 1 year ago 4
@msterria9 i wish melina would come back
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RocketsFan1192 1 year ago
beth looks her best in this kind of ring attire it shows her muscle tone better which makes her look stronger
lnw281981 1 year ago 2
jr: someone has been drinking diet mountain due and thats a little shake n bake
XXxMizzPlayBoyXXx 1 year ago 2
thats oe of the best outfits that mickie james has and im glad shes womens champion again
VeeALiciousPink3 2 years ago 4
Me too!!
cenafan004 2 years ago 2
This is Melina's first Face turn!
Mickie James and Melina Perez Are My Fave Divas Today!
TheMickieandcenafan 2 years ago 6
Beth is the best ^^
Emileman 2 years ago 2
When are they going to do a diva swimshoot? They have not done one since Trish and Lita left
whats up WWE?
mj5100 2 years ago
they went pg
ElephantzKellyK2 2 years ago
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Mickie's theme is annoying lol
Its very child-like..
XD
OrangeGoatsex 2 years ago
They always have great matches! especially that match for the divas championship on 8-24-09.(my birthday) it was amazing but i would have loved to see Beth as champ again!
kimmy50143 2 years ago 3
I love Mickie and Beth so Much. They always have great matches.
stevenson1994 2 years ago 16
They do work very well together! I'm glad they have both been moved to Smackdown! :) Hope they both have a match with Natalya
999xander999 2 years ago
@999xander999 Well, looks like your wish came true! They all squared off in an epic triple threat match!
TheSterlRocks 2 years ago 2
Was a good match aswell :) 3 real wreslers see & no models
999xander999 2 years ago 2
i LOVE Mickie..if i were a diva in da wwe i would be just like her =]
0takeovermindfreak0 2 years ago 4
mickie beat beth ass so many times , i cant count
acermarie 2 years ago 5
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Beth Phoenix is so much better than Mickie and Melina combined.
OMGitsTangy 2 years ago
mickie and beth had a rlly gd feud, the crowd cared during there matches, michelle melina fued is going good now. I'd like to see beth as champ again soon.
chillout97 2 years ago 4
Mickie looks cute (:
Beth is so fierce
XxBethPhoenix92xX 2 years ago 5
mickie james is so adorable
pimpdogpatrick 2 years ago 3
i love mickie james.
craigpete92 2 years ago 2
Mickie James is AWESOME!!!
Bajan55 2 years ago 4
I want mickie to win!
I hate beth pheonix
HiCristie 2 years ago
mickie james rocks
wwe01freak 2 years ago 5
mickie james is wwe womens champion
DenniPlaya001 2 years ago 2
Mickie's the best, i love her (:
sarah120890 2 years ago 2
i always get scared that mickie's going to miss her step, skipping down that ramp.
veggieeater 2 years ago
Lmao Me To.. =)
Just Immagine Lol
MARkiEP00h 2 years ago
she did once.. lol in 2006
mzdiva2000 2 years ago
woah really!!
veggieeater 2 years ago
Is that rick james at the very beginning ? xD
LordRandallOrton 2 years ago
smackdown and ecw dont use there divas proberly only raw does and it has better divas but i wolud like to see michelle move to raw and get in a storyline with beth and win the womens chamption
candiceandmickie 2 years ago 2
@candiceandmickie well now smackdown is better, raw sux!
04bia 1 year ago 3
@04bia smackdown uses there divas properly raw divas are not used the right way maryse,melina and gail are the best they got, eve is improving but she makes botches in everymatch, kelly kelly shes starting to job to alicia and maryse now
alicia shes good so is jillian and katie the bellas are good when they have a match they need to mix the divas up, if u saw on monday there trying to get the raw divas involved in the sd divas fued but im not sure it will work
misslivvyjane16 1 year ago
mickie & melina rules
NayKrazy809 2 years ago 3
why does beth phoenix pretend that she has the title when she comes out?
Fallen93 2 years ago 2
cuz she cant think of wat els to do
justicevanorsdale 2 years ago
melina roxz!!!
azwwefn46 3 years ago
offt, Go melina
MangaHorror 3 years ago
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Beth looks like with the disney cartoon ''Lion King''
Her face looks like with a Lion ....she is so ugly!!!!
Mickie you are the best!!!!!!!!!!!
Why Melina done this to Beth???
andreastazoulism1 3 years ago
lmao you're so right.
Fallen93 2 years ago
Melina is returning and Gail Kim is coming to WWE. That could make a good rivalry.
ATMitchell99 3 years ago 7
We need psycho Mickie come back as a face!
Bajan55 3 years ago 34
yea i want psycho mickie 2 but it would B wiard i she is face and Psycho so i think it should B like
Mickie & Kelly vs Beth & jillian and mickie wins and holding kelly´s arm in the air like winner posesion but then she make a kind of Kick to Kelly kelly´s face and then screaming about kelly is getting all the credit or some thing and then we see Beth backstage and then mickie attack her to so she´s not gonna B face or Hell just psycho
Thumbs up if you agree
chevangil 3 years ago 6
That sounds like an incredibly awesome idea!!!
charlierogue26 2 years ago
I know how to make a Beth aittre not on svr08 with a real sewing machine
Bajan55 3 years ago 5
i just want you guys to now that the champions arent going to be in the wwe draft so that means that mickie not gonna change roster
chevangil 3 years ago
Katie Lea Will face Mickie James for the Championship....... Mickie Have been beaten by her Easyly What is wrong with her. She Beat Trish and Lita Ohhh and Victoria.... Beating Katie Lea is Nothing......I hope tha katie win the Champion and Then Candice Should win the title from her.
Johnyfaction3 3 years ago
katie would kill candice.. lol
trishfanatic 3 years ago 3
And oooh yah they have seen what the wrestling fans reaction to TNA's Knockout Woman's Division and the reaction to the diva division that WWE had from 2006- late 2007 and adjusted. Trust me, WWE didn't get to the top by ignoring fans and competition - they totally changed it from playboy / diva search girls dominating to OVW and/or skilled wrestlers dominating the spotlight for a REASON. Don't think they totally ignore TNA, if you believe that your a fool.
operations1000 3 years ago
Beth is to stiff for the other divas to do their moves well.
Johnyfaction3 3 years ago
Beth wasn't actually stiff in this match, surprisingly it was the Woman's Champion who preformed poorly both offensively and selling. Melina should be champion right now IMHO but they need to extend the rivalry with precieved #1 contendor Beth first, she's gotta find a way to knock Beth out of the title picture or win against Mickie in a triple threat.
operations1000 3 years ago
Which Divas Would you like to see In the Draft?
Johnyfaction3 3 years ago
What do you mean? Drafted away from RAW or what? Every diva will be in the Draft... as for who I'd like to see on RAW would pretty much be the same wrestlers since Natalya is the #1 contendor for the new Smackdown/ECW Diva Belt so she doesn't need to be on RAW.
Who I'd take AWAY from RAW would be Maria and Ashley and put Victoria on RAW and maybe Kelly Kelly since she's so popular (and to balance out things, there has to be one mediocre diva wrestler on the show lol)
operations1000 3 years ago
Kelly to Raw
Maria to Smackdown
Ashley to Ecw
......Michelle Should go to Raw but they have the title in smackdown too. Melina Should go to smackdown more competition for Natalya and Victoria. Cherry to Raw. Maryse to Ecw. Mickie,Candice,Katie Lea, Beth should stay on Raw. Jillian Should Be move too. I dont care to what roster.
Johnyfaction3 3 years ago 2
nice extreme makeover by melina
kaorurokz 3 years ago
LUV DIS VID
blackeyedpunk 3 years ago
mickie got a new tron
sxccolinxx 3 years ago
omg i luv mickie i really do but her matches with beth suck. i mean they fought like millions of times and there so sloppy together. Mickie fights well with melina, victoria, jillian, and i could see her fighting neidhart and katie lea. They really need 2 think of someone else for mickie 2 fight cause her + beth= crap match but i love beth vs melina.
nicaboo11580 3 years ago
Melina and Beth phoenix fued is Better than Mickie's Romance. They should give the title to Melian,Beth or Candice.......Mickie is being just use for pushes...... THEY ARE NOT REALLY USING HER HAS A GREAT Wrestler.
Johnyfaction3 3 years ago
What do you mean using her for PUSHES? She's the fricken Woman's Champion, the top diva in the buisness. Definately Melina vs Beth fued is way outshining her little stupid romance storyline (excuse me, it's not stupid since I guess they are in one in real life but ya know).
Mickie's just got alot on her mind and she's getting ring rust not defending the title or at PPVs. Unfortunately that's REALLY her wrestling, they aren't trying to dumb her down or anything.
No excuses, crappy match.
operations1000 3 years ago
But why are they using her real life romance has an angle I think that is something really personal.
Johnyfaction3 3 years ago
I dunno, in the past its proved dangerous to do that with real relationships (Lita, Chyna) but half the time it works out. I don't think they will go too far with it so it will work out, back then they were more assholeish about it if you will lol. Besides they wouldn't wanna upset their golden boy Cena!
operations1000 3 years ago
I know. I don't like that romance. If they atre going to have it I think that they should not be the champions.
Johnyfaction3 3 years ago
Yah the romance stuff kinda distracts from the top spot in the buisness (a champion). Mickie hasn't been much of a fighting champion since the storyline of the real life romance. Potentially before Melina and Beth fued she had the chance to be the most fighting woman's champion of all time against so many talented diva heels but Melina turned so the face diva side is more respectable as real wrestlers so that chance got shutdown.
operations1000 3 years ago
This isn't a real life angle. John Cena is engaged to his girlfriend...
babyeyesfx 3 years ago
They are a real couple.
Johnyfaction3 3 years ago
When Candice returns there will be a new Womens champion!
jalisciense71 3 years ago
I hope so :)
Johnyfaction3 3 years ago
who.
WWEECWTNA1FAN 3 years ago
who and do you know if candice will be heel or face
WWEECWTNA1FAN 3 years ago
i heard candice will return as a heel and a possible trade to Smackdown
nyfinestpinoy 3 years ago
I always loved Melina but, she is even better as a face.
KRob10 3 years ago 2
Melina is awesome!
bidibom95 3 years ago 3
Mickie is #1!!!!!
bidibom95 3 years ago
Who would od thought Melina would save Mickie..But Whatever..GO MELINA
loveorhate14 3 years ago 7