David Frost on Al-Jazeera Arabic: it has Arabic propaganda

[ATrueSriLankan]

Well, Al Jazeera english would be unbiased untill they build a media empire, then only you ll get to see the agenda. We ve see it in the fox news channel and MSNBC.

[Trevoc2]

I agree with "ATrueSrilankan" when he/she says that once Al Jazeera establishes itself and is accepted, it will manipulate the news in favor of Arabic views. I would not be surprised if they are secretly funded, as Masques are in America, by Saudi Arabian oil money.

Have you considered why we have an invasion of Masques in the US? Or why Al Jazeera needs to air its views in the US?

[pom0ify]

Why does BBC World News air in the US, are the Brits coming to retaliate for your little war a 100 odd years ago? Or what about CBC News...are those pesky Canadians planning something too, or maybe they're working together to finally take back what was theirs.

[casa2000]

The point I was trying to make is that David Frost is misrepresenting Al-Jazeera Arabic.

Al-Jazeera is never going to become like the entertainment news of MSNBC or FoxNews as long as they keep their reporters and journalists as diversified as possible.

See if MSNBC or CNN wishes to report on Sri Lanka, they will send an America journalist. Al-Jazeera will make sure it has local reporters or experts from the place itself.

US news are about viewership first, not the news itself.

[boaserpent]

@casa2000

that's so true, and i think other channels envy her for that. the aljazeera network has ALWAYS correspondents who are locals.

so that will make it very difficult for aljazeera to bend the truth to the "arabic standards??", won't it atruesrilankan and trevoc?

[casa2000]

Bill Maher often engages in Arab and Muslim dehumanization on his show on HBO. So much for a progressive channel like HBO!

[globalwaronbias]

I rated this video 1, not for Frost's context, but Maher's lack of one.

[globalwaronbias]

While were on the topic of bias, did Bill Maher disclose he's a hardcore Jewish zionist? Does Maher have any problem when people call Israel - who wiped Palestine off the map by way of terrorism - a "country"?

[bolius1]

@globalwaronbias

why are you such a bigot. So what about Maher's ethnicity. there are israel haters of jewish ethnicity too. Maher as a human being, supports america, britain, israel, against islammic terrorists out to destroy western civilization.

[casa2000]

@bolius1 China will one day teach the so-called violent imperialist western civilization the lesson they have been waiting for. Britain, Israel and America are all imperialist states that are responsible for the death of so many innocent people. Muslims are only defending their lands against the invaders and the imperialists who want to rob their natural resources from them at gun point. It was not Muslim Armies who nuked two civilian cities, it was the US army. Enough with your propaganda.

[bolius1]

@casa2000

you never heard of muslim imperialism? how do you think the ottoman empire grew so big. islammic imperialism conquered most of the middle east.

[bolius1]

@casa2000

or.. arab/islammic imperialism. spread out from saudi arabia. now people in almost the entire middle east are called Arabs!

[casa2000]

@bolius1 Funny for someone who is complaining about anti-Jewish bigotry talk about "Muslim imperialism". The bigots from the so-called western civilization find it normal to denigrate Muslims yet they are quick to condemn anti-jewish bigotry. Recall that it was your glorious violent and brutal western civilization that attempted to wipe out jews from Europe and burned millions of them in Gas chambers like animals. You will not find a civilization that has done such a barbaric thing.

[casa2000]

@bolius1 Too bad the Ottoman empire is gone. They have kept the western invaders and imperialists within their own borders for centuries. You should tell us what western troops are occupying Iraq and stationed in many Middle Eastern countries against our will??? Amazing how western apologists of their own violence and imperialism complain about "Muslim invasions!'!!! We wish the Ottomans could come back and quick your imperialist armies OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST.

[bolius1]

@casa2000

You're going all over the place. The Ottoman Empire was a great place for its time, very tolerant. But Arabs ruined it. You'll never recreate it you're all a bunch of lunatics. Now even the Turks -the best of you- are lunatics. If Arabs had the ability, they'd do to Jews what Europe did to Jews. They praise god for the Holocaust. /watch?v=h8OiN0ddH2A Mein Kampf is a best seller in Turkey  and Number 6 best seller in the West Bank.At least -some- european countries regret it

[casa2000]

@bolius1 The Arabs did have the upper hand for centuries including over Jerusalem where a large NATIVE Jewish minority lived. Now we Arabs are never going to accept European Zionists. You must understand that just because you were born Jewish in some European country, you don't get to own lands in Palestine in the Middle East because some lunatic leaders of your told you it was God who gave it to you. Talk about lunacy when land ownership is acquired by religious affiliation!

[bolius1]

@casa2000

Quran Sura 5, Go to the promised land and don't turn back.. So muslims should accept it too. Jews are a nation that was formed in Israel. Genetic studies show Jews living in Europe and in Arab countries have more in common with each other than with their neighbouring europeans/arabs. Jews are a nation, living in Exile. Arabs already have loads of states. Israel to Jews is historical and religiously like Saudi Arabia is to muslims. And Israel is very small.Not Imperialism..

[casa2000]

@bolius1 Saudi Arabia belong to Saudi Arabians, not to any person who happen to be Muslim who hail from the other side of the world. Now you see who is brainwashed to think they have to live in some specific land because they happen to believe in some religion. I don't think the Torah commands people to go rob others of their lands. The US has over 40 semi-independent states, double what the Arabs have (22). So why don't you take a tiny one from the US? Oh you can't. They will chase you out.

[bolius1]

@casa2000

" So why don't you take a tiny one from the US? Oh you can't. They will chase you out." What i'm saying going in one of your ears and out the other.Jews did not become a nation, within a state of america.Israel is infact in a sense, holier to Jews than Saudi Arabia is to muslims. cos Muslims only have to do Haj once in their life. But Israel it's considered good to live there,and Jews visit it many times in their lives and there have been jewish states before. And holy jewish sites

[casa2000]

@bolius1 it is reasonable to have few sites as holy or parts of a city but an entire area that have exchanged hands for centuries, that is not reasonable. That becomes imposing your faith on others by force. You can't blame "lunatic" Arabs (Muslim and Christian) for refusing to submit to this type of naked conquest.

[bolius1]

@casa2000

What is not reasonable, is that Muslims built a mosque -on top of- Judaism's holiest site. But it happened and is accepted, and the Israeli Government hasn't tried to tear the mosque down. Imagine if Jews tried to build a synagogue next to Macca, just a little one. When Jordan had the whole of the west bank and illegally, they did not allow jews entry to the western wall, that is far more unjust.Under Israel, christians and muslims and to an extent jews, have freedom to access.

[casa2000]

@bolius1 Sure Quran recognizes the importance of Jerusalem to the Jewish people and it is why Arabs and Ottomans allowed the Jews back in when both the Byzantines and the crusaders banned them from the city. Now the Zionists of Russia and Poland, that is a different story. The Quran doesn't speak of people who intend to conquer and banish the natives but of people of faith who wish to be near their holy sites.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

The Zionists did not want to banish the natives. Some wanted to rule the lot, but main ones wanted to split ruling it between arabs there at that time(who had never ruled before), and Jews. Arabs only fled, some voluntarily left, after the arabs initiated the war of 1948. Before then, no arabs fled. Infact, arab immigration rose greatly at that time under the British Mandate as noted by Churchill, Roosevelt, and the many languages or dialects there twenty-three different ones

[casa2000]

@boliusb If the Zionists had good intentions, then they would have gone to the locals and proposed a plan to help them fight the British colonists in return of being allowed to settle by MUTUAL AGREEMENT. What did the Zionists do? Concluded a secret agreement with the colonial power and ignored the natives all together. One explanation to this is that the Zionists didn't feel any affiliation with the actual people of the Middle East because they are Europeans (who Europe tried to exterminate).

[boliusb]

@casa2000

The locals/ who at some point started calling themselves Palestinians, as the zionists had started that bit earlier.. it's a foreign name. The arabs there never really pushed to rule anything.. And funnily enough, coming to our times, the Palestinian Arabs within Israel, when polled, said they'd rather live in Israel than in a Palestinian state. So Jewish rule is not so terrible for them. I suppose they prefer the quality of life.

[boliusb]

@boliusb

so it's really not like the British occupying the Congo or any other thing one might call colonialism or imperialism. And it's not to build an empire.. And by the way, if Byzantine christian imperialist colonialists did not have a right to rule there, what gave Arab muslim imperialist colonialists a right? What gave Muslims a right to build a Mosque on the holiest Jewish site in existence. That is the height of unreasonableness.

[casa2000]

@boliusb The Zionists wanted a land with very few of its natives to impose a majority. This is what Americans have done in North America. It is worse than colonialism. How many villages were destroyed by the Zionists? how many cemeteries? how many houses are inhabited today by Israeli when their owners are either across the border or in some other country? Regardless of your take on this, you need to understand that Arabs view this conflict as a great injustice that is difficult to put behind.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

I agree the arabs view it as an injustice, and won't put it behind them. But nobody is asking them to put it behind them. The arabs refuse to recognise a jewish state, as they largely refused then. 800,000 jews suffered fleeing persecution in arab lands around '48 and '67, they needn't put it behind them either.Arab villages were only destroyed when they initiated war in 1948. Zionists came to inhabit and rule a portion or whole of the Mandatory "Palestine"(foreign name) Region.

[casa2000]

@boliusb typical Zionist narrative. Crazed lunatic Arabs started attacking a group of Russians, Polish and Europeans who were just picnicking in the Middle East. Did Arabs attack Jewish towns in Russia? They haven't. They rightly attacked imperialists from Europe trying to rob an entire country from their natives by force. Unfortunately injustice prevailed but rest assured Arabs are not going to forget. Even if we wanted to forget, this state is right in our face serving as a constant reminder.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

Zionists wanted to rule a very small area of the middle east. Not "The Middle East". The inhabitants there had never ruled it and the previous rulers, the Ottoman Empire, were no more, thanks in part to the arabs. It is no coincidence that the Jews from arab lands fled around '48 and '67, the arabs made life unbearable for them.

[casa2000]

@boliusb You didn't answer. Did Arabs attack Jews in Poland? In Russia? in Hungary? in Britain? in France? Theordore Herzl was from Hungary. David Ben-Gurion was from Poland. Many early Zionists were from Russia. These people didn't even speak Hebrew (Yiddish). Backlash against native Jews in Arab countries was unfortunate but that's not the root cause of the conflict. America rounded up Japanese-Americans in camps during WWII including their children.

[boliusb]

@casa2000 " Backlash against native Jews in Arab countries was unfortunate " I could perhaps recognise that resident arabs being ruled by jews is unfortunate, except that Palestinian Arabs living in Israel, prefer to live there than in a Palestinian state! So what's the root cause of the conflict..simple, we don't have to disagree, it's the refusal of arabs to accept a jewish state of any size. The issue the arabs have, is with zionism. You don't want jews ruling anything.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

you can still disagree with it, without lying or twisting facts.. Zionists (a movement to restore jews to their historic homeland) didn't come and steal land, they came to swamp areas and built, and lived alongside arabs. They were unarmed they attacked no arabs when they came in 1880, arabs started attacking them from the 1920s, Only when arabs attacked them, did they attack back, and they only lost homes when they left/fled in a war the arabs initiated in 1948

[boliusb]

@boliusb

" Only when arabs attacked them, did they attack back, and they(arabs) only lost homes when they left/fled in a war the arabs initiated in 1948" And in 1967 when the egyptians massed troops on israel's border and israel went to fight them then got attacked by Jordan and Syria.. so Israel faught them. This is what caused arabs to lose their homes. Wars they started and tried to start. You may think they were right to start war, but be true to the facts.

[casa2000]

@boliusb small or big is irrelevant. Not sure why Zionists always try to portray Arabs as "greedy". The US is bigger than the Arab states. Go ahead demand a very tiny land from them. And this is not just any small land. Do you know what people fought for during the crusades? How many centuries that small piece of land was defended? Your imperialist fanatical Zionists come in 1948 and take all of that?? If the crusaders ruled the area, the wouldn't be a single Jewish presence in the city.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

We seem to have gone in one big circle because you think that in order to make your case, you have to ignore facts. I told you, Jews are a people in exile. You think Jews don't speak Hebrew? Every Jewish child in europe, and the arab world, learns Hebrew. Of course the leading Zionists spoke Hebrew.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

Zionists did not come and steal land or throw arabs out of their home. They just wanted to rule that land re-establish jewish rule, and the natives hadn't ruled it before, and the natives were only part of the Arab people who ruled nothing at the time, and were granted many lands by the great powers that won the war. Jews did have legal right too. You may think it's unfair, but it's really not such a bad thing , arabs have lots of states, so let jews have their one little state

[casa2000]

@boliusb You mean the 800,000 Middle Eastern Jews who were lured into Israel to serve the white-European Zionists? Does the Lavon affair ring a bell? How many Middle Eastern Jews were recruited by white-European Zionists to conspire against their own home countries? If anything, this has only led to more antisemitism (where bigots started to argue that you couldn't trust Jews and their loyalty is questionable). Zionists were of course delighted with the backlash. It is exactly what they wanted.

[boliusb]

@casa2000 JJAC(Justice for Jews from Arab Countries) and JIMENA(Jews indiginous to the middle east and north africa), are documenting it, see jimenaexperienceDOTorg they show testimonies of jews from Libya, Egypt and Iraq.. This wasn't some conspiracy. 800,000 people don't pack up and leave their homes unless things are really bad. Read- Jews from Arab lands are the majority of the population of Israel. They voted Netanyahu(Big White Man). They're not racist like you.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

They weren't robbing a country, and they didn't steal land. They bought land. and it was never a country. you should stick to facts. It was a part of the -huge- Ottoman Empire  which was not arab.. and was then under British Control.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

of course, I understand, you arabs do not want jews to have even their one state.You believe it's an unjustice that you want to reverse. Well, jews believe it's an injustice that you arabs/muslims built a Mosque on our holiest site.You are fortunate that no elected jews want to reverse that and remove the mosque Jews suffered an injustice when exiled by the Romans. But suppose another people came and conquered Israel, from the jews, that wouldn't stop the arabs from wanting it back

[casa2000]

@boliusb No, you don't understand. Arabs do not want European born settlers to take over land in the Middle East against the natives will. Why don't you go to America and tell them the same if they refuse to grant you a small piece of land in their over 40 states??? The temple mount was destroyed by the Romans. Take it with them. Instead you blame it all on Arabs. Once Arabs put an end to this illegitimate racist state, then you can blame them. Why do you want to live in the Middle East??

[boliusb]

@casa2000

If you're so anti european and that's the problem, then what's your issue with zionism now then? the people living in Israel are mostly jews from arab lands.I suppose perhaps arabs only faught the nazis when they were attacking europeans, as soon as any turned on them like apparently in morroco, they faught them? Not very moral are you. You support the Nazis too.Haj Amin Al Husseini collaborated with Hitler.Britain did not try to exterminate a race/people,so it's not like the Nazis

[boliusb]

@casa2000

The temple mount was not destroyed by the romans, the TEMPLE was destroyed by the romans. The temple mount and the western wall is what is left.. You arabs/muslims built a mosque on top of the holiest jewish site. That wasn't the Romans that did that. You call a Jewish state racist. Yet a Palestinian state you say is not racist. A Palestinian state that will not allow any jew.

[casa2000]

@boliusb I meant the Jewish temple. The story of how the mosque was built is well known. Umar brought a Jew with him when Jerusalem was surrendered and the mosque was specifically built away from what was perceived as Jewish holy area (Karen Armstrong's book on Jerusalem). The issue of the mosque in there is symbolic and is not what the conflict is about. This is a diversion from the real issue ie the actual land on which people lived. Never said a Jewish state is racist. A zionist state is.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

The whole temple mount area, and it's not a large area, is very holy. Some areas of it are so holy that religious jews will not walk there at all, other areas they can walk after special preparations, and treat it with much respect. Arabs/Muslims play football and picnic there. This story you mention, do you have any sources online, I don't think it is a well known story at all..and anyhow, it is holy jewish area.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

your terminology is strange. There is no such thing as a zionist state, zionism exists or existed to create a jewish state. What in your mind is the difference between a zionist state and a jewish state?

[casa2000]

@boliusb Zionism is a political ideology. One we should be able to disagree with, boycott, oppose and condemn as racist without being labeled anti-Jewish.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

A movement for a Palestinian state, is just as much a political ideology as Zionism-a movement for a Jewish state. If one is racist, the other is racist. If it is anti-palestinian to reject a Palestinian state, it is anti-jewish to reject a Jewish state.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

and the current "moderate" palestinian position ..you can call Abu Mazen's position racism, for saying "Abu-Mazen said he was willing to have an international force such as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), but added, "I will never agree that there be Jewish soldiers in NATO, and I will never agree that there will be a single Israeli among us on Palestinian soil.""" and their jew hating state funded TV programs - see MEMRI.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

the ottoman empire and no doubt the arabs too if they'd had any ability to support anybody, supported the bad guys during the war. You supported the German Nazi regime didn't you?. And you lost thank God, and you lose everything and had no rights to anything and had to beg the powers that be, making your claims, just like everybody else. You had no chips. That's why Arab leader Faisal agreed to Zionism. But it shows, you may not like zionism, but they did not come to attack.

[casa2000]

@boliusb More Zionist fabrications. You should now understand why we think Zionism is a racist ideology. Why the Arabs support the bad guys? because we are inherently bad and you the Zionists are inherently good people who come from Russia to destroy the natives villages and cemeteries, erase their history? I am Moroccan and history shows that Moroccans fought in Europe against the Germans. In your view only the Germans were bad, but how about the British who were colonizing half of the Globe?

[casa2000]

@boliusb It is too bad the Germans couldn't actually occupy Britain to give those imperialist bastards who killed so many people in the "third world" a dose of their own medicine. The Nazis were a European problem (imperialists against imperialists). So were the Zionists. Many Moroccans fought with the French to liberate their country from the German occupation. Still the French wouldn't let go their colonies after France was liberated. So typical of western racism and double standards.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

Weitzmann also made an agreement with Arab leader Faisal, which fell because the British and French made some agreement and Faisal felt that he hadn't got what he wanted, he wanted Damascus but the british and the french didn't allow for that. This was also a public agreement, photographed. You can see the picture of the zionist leader and arab leader . Faisal said "The two main branches of the Semitic family, Arabs and Jews, understand one another"

[casa2000]

@boliusb Again, it is one thing to welcome Jewish immigrants who wish to be near their holy sites along Arab Muslims and Christians and another to intend to carve out a state against the wish of the natives and evict a large number of them out. In fact, had the Arabs knew far ahead in time about the Zionists motives, they would have stopped Jewish immigration to that area.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

Jews are not just claiming based on faith.Jews are a Nation.exiled,spread over the world. A Nation born in Israel, a nation that ruled Israel even according to Muslims,you've heard of Malak Dawud (Dovid HaMelech - King David),and so on.Funnily enough, if Jews all went to Israel,as the Quran calls for,and if there was democracy, jews would rule.Palestinian refugees unlike other refugees still call themselves palestinian refugees even many generations from their "Palestinian" ancestor

[boliusb]

@casa2000

you talk of the zionists making secret agreements, What are you referring to? They were not secret at all. The Balfour declaration was public, the San Remo conference was public. The agreement between Arab leader Feisal and Weizmann was public and photographed. If anything, it was actually the Arab-British correspondance that was "secret" or private. McMahon–Hussein Correspondence

[casa2000]

@boliusb Were the natives of Palestine/Arabs involved in the Balfour declaration? They were not. The Zionists (Weizmann, another Russian!) secured the agreement of the British colonists to carve them out a state in the Middle East. How can the Arabs accept such thing. No people would accept this.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

In the San Remo conference, Weizmann was only there as an observer. the arabs if they didn't observe it's because they didn't bother.. Preceding the San Remo conference was the Paris Peace Conference. The arab delegation was there making claims, as was the jewish delegation. So they did play a part. And the arabs and jews had made an agreement between each other too, the faisal weizmann agreement.Arabs did not rule anything, arab nationalism was fairly new.

[casa2000]

@boliusb Jews from Europe had no claims in the Middle East whatsoever. The aspirations of the native Jews of the Middle East were legitimate. Zionism is European. Does not belong in the Middle East. There is not much more I could tell you to explain the Arab position on this conflict. You believe it has to do with your faith, we believe it has to do with the last European colony in the Middle East.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

Zionism is the return of the jews to their historic homeland.(they did and do have legal right by the way, but that aside).If you keep pretending that jews could've accepted absolutely anywhere and it'd have been the same, then you're lying to yourself and it seems you happily will lie to yourself. I told you, Israel is the land the jewish people come from originally. Not America, not Europe.Of course, they didn't come to picnic, you said something right.They came for a jewish state

[boliusb]

@casa2000

Any plans to kick out the arabs were clearly only if they needed to like in a war 'cos of arabs not accepting a Jewish state.Though still 150,000 palestinian-arabs stayed and became citizens . By the way, one sign of much immigration besides roosevelt and churchill's statement, is a palestinian is anybody that lived there 2years+. even their major leader-Arafat, was an Egyptian.And obviously not the son of any palestinian. There were no identifying Palis then and no Pali refugees

[casa2000]

@boliusb Not that the idea of "evicting Arabs out" is something unheard of in Apartheid Israel. It is the only state in the Middle East where high ranking officials talk openly about it. In fact, some former minister of tourism put billboards in Israel calling for the transfer of Arabs as part of his campaign. But as this minister used to argue against people who condemned his campaign slogans, that's what Zionism was about: transferring natives out. How else could the state be established.

[bolius1]

@casa2000

What are you talking about a large native jewish minority in jerusalem? Jews are a majority in Jerusalem since 1890. But I don't see how that's relevant. Arabs have large numbers all over the place, it doesn't mean it's important to them. Jerusalem is to Jews though like what Macca is to Muslims.

[casa2000]

@bolius1 but the Zionists found a small defenseless group of natives in Palestine that they over-powered and conquered them by force. Our stand against Zionists is a matter of justice. Not prejudice against your faith (although some do so because of justice and prejudice). We wouldn't mind if Zionists wnet to America and established their state there. What business do we have in preventing Jewish people from having their own country? Only when they take other people lands. It is not right.

[bolius1]

@casa2000

When you say Jews took land from the natives. Fact is jews just wanted to rule some land and let arabs rule other part. Arabs already have lots of states. There was already a Palestinian state, Transjordan/Jordan. Arabs didn't even rule that land under the Ottomans. And when the British took it they didn't rule it.  You know in a few centuries, would you call Palestinian Refugees . foreigners if they returned?

[casa2000]

@bolius1 oh sure. You can tell the same to Americans. You only want to rule part of America and leave them the rest. I am not sure what you expect from us Arabs. What right does someone like Ben-Gurion who was born in Poland to declare a state in the Middle East? Because he is Jewish? That is not reasonable. I hope it won't take centuries to correct this historical mistake that has caused so much suffering and even tensions with the west. Your problem is with the west. Take it with them.

[bolius1]

@casa2000

Jews have always had a presence there, and 2 states. Jews have been there since before the arabs/muslims, . Jewish means he's a member of a nation, the Jewish nation, that was born in that land, a people that has dreamt of returning. Why keep bringing up Poland? Jews from there are just as Jewish as less white Jews. There are Jews from Yemen, Iraq, Egypt. Not so white, so you might like them more. The majority of jews in Israel are from arab lands

[bolius1]

@casa2000

notice also that the Native americans who wern't allowed to rule -any- of that land, (and americans don't have the ties to that land that jews have to israel), and it's the only land native americans had, but native americans aren't waging war. Imagine if the native americans had lots of lands, and this was one, and americans 'cos of strong ties came and split rule there. There would still be peace.

[casa2000]

@bolius1 The Americans (Europeans) beat and decimated nearly all of the Natives in North America. That's how they imposed their so-called peace. It is one of the most ignored genocides in our modern history. The Zionists couldn't do what the Americans have done to the natives but if the Zionists were interested in a lasting peace, they would have been negociated with the Arabs not with the British colonists.

[bolius1]

@casa2000

the problem is arabs/muslims that insist on all land and won't share with anybody. like 22 arab states, they want 2 palestinian states.. it's a joke how much they have. You say Jerusalem is holy to many religions, and infact Christians had it before Muslims. But evangelical christians in America aren't running to take that land.. theh know it's the land of the Jews. Catholics have Rome.  Muslims have Macca. Likewise Jews should have Jerusalem.

[casa2000]

@bolius1 Catholics don't have Rome, they have the Vatican, which is pretty much a CHURCH, not an entire city! It is not just jerusalem that you want without its non-Jewish natives, but an entire geographical area. We can't submit to this type of extremist interpretation of religious beliefs. This is colonialism pure and simple. Don't hide behind religious beliefs.

[bolius1]

@casa2000 The temple mount is not important to arabs, they play football and picnic on it. Imagine if Jews came and played football on at Macca. That's more offensive than a danish cartoon isn't it. That's what Arabs do. That land is only "important" to arabs is because their imperialism, every land they once ruled they have to rule now. I heard that the name they give it Al Quds, is an abbreviation of bayt al maKDiS , From the hebrew bayt hamiKDaSh The Hebrew holy house..

[casa2000]

@bolius1Firstly, this is not an issue specific to Arab Muslims. Arab Christians have also opposed the Zionist conquest from Europe. To us, this is not a religious issue (that might be only relevant in some parts of Jerusalem). This is a colonial issue. The Zionists want to rule over a large area against the will of its native majority. When the Arabs took over Jerusalem and the area, it was not in Jewish hands at all. The Byzantines surrendered the area to Arabs in the 7th century.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

The people of that land when the Byzantines ruled, were not Arabs, I doubt they spoke Arabic.. The Natives even preceded the Byzantines, and Christianity, and genetically have much in common with Jews of Europe and the Middle East. If a Jew is exiled from Israel and goes to Iraq, he is as much a Jew as one exiled from Israel that goes to France. Iraq is in the exile, just as much as France is. Yemen is no more or less relevant to jews, than France or Italy.

[casa2000]

@boliusb Sure they didn't speak Arabic. The Palestinians are natives to the area and many of which were not Muslim centuries ago. Being an Arab is no longer tied to being from Arabia itself. As to your comment about "being in exile", that is a religious belief, your own. There are over 6 million American-Jews in the US. You are telling me that they are in exile and that their properties in America are not really theirs??? this we can not accept. It is not reasonable.

[boliusb]

@casa2000

The Byzantines surrendered Israel to the Arabs, right?That's because of Arab Muslim imperialism/colonialism, spreading and spreading, from saudi arabia.Jews are HebrewsA person's ethnic origin does not change if they're born somewhere else.The Hebraic Religion can be kept in any place in the world, its holy land, its place of origin, is not "The Middle East" anywhere, it is not Yemen or Egypt,anymore than outside the Middle East like France. The holy land and its origin is only Israel

[casa2000]

@boliusb The Byzantines had no business ruling that area of the Middle East. The Arabs ended their rule and restored access to Jerusalem to different religious minorities including Jews ( Umar's conquest). Romans had long ended Israel as it was known then. It was neither the Byzantines nor the Arabs who did it. Your folks, like any other groups on planet earth, settled in different parts of the world. You don't have an exclusive right to a land because of your faith.

[casa2000]

@bolius1 Sure Bayt Al Makdis has hebraic roots. My grandfather's name is Moses who is the prophet of the Jewish people. Judaism is a middle eastern religion that belongs to the people of the MIDDLE EAST, not to Polish or to Russians (Jewish or not). If you are a Muslim from Bosnia, you don't get to claim any lands in Mecca or Arabia. Sounds reasonable to me. You need to keep your religious believes inside your place of worship.

[bolius1]

@globalwaronbias

what the hell are you talking about wiping palestine off the map? idiot. Jordan had the West Bank, the PLO formed in 1963 before Israel had the west bank. What Palestine were they trying to liberate? they -had- the territory they now claim is for their state. There were arabs there but not identifying palestinians.. just Arabs and Jews. Hence the UN spoke of an arab state and a jewish state. It'd be a 22nd arab state and 1 jewish state. As if the arabs needed another.

[casa2000]

@bolius1 Imperialist Israel own census records shows that in 1948 close to 70% of the its citizens were FOREIGN born. Apartheid Israel first prime minister was born in Poland (Ben-Gurion). Golda Meir was born in Russia. So many others were born in Russia and Europe. The natives rejected the western dominated UN decision to split a land against the will of its majority of natives, and rightly so. So why do you take issue with us Arabs for rejecting Zionism since it came from Europe?

[bolius1]

@globalwaronbias

Jordan was created out of mandatory palestine, it is palestine in all but name. It is the East Bank. So if anybody wiped palestine off the map it's the arabs, after getting their state they used that name..