That's brilliant - I do a combination of all 3 depending where I am - never had a clue they were some sort of recognised movements! The fixed input on country roads and motorways, the rotational around some roads and pull-push in car parks! You should do one on how to adjust side mirrors, loads of people have them looking at the sides of the car! Some even have interior mirrors on a tilt so they can see their own face! i see some terrible drivers, so much for the new tests.
the cooler you think your hand position makes you look, the less good of a driver you are. the best driver will use the most boring, normal hand position which offers the most control.
@2trips bullshit - a really competent driver can steer one handed at all times with the other hand on the gear stick! And have MORE control than someone using two hands. Why? Because your non-dominant hand gets in the way of precision steering.
@VinceMcJericho all i meant is that if you have your hand at the 12 oclock position and your arm totally straight from your shoulder to your wrist (the insecure wanna-be cool guy position, favored by every bad driver i know) you have a fraction of the control you would have from a more stable hand position.
the "really competent driver" of your example would still benefit from holding the steering wheel properly, even if s/he understood more than most how to handle a car.
@2trips Michael Schumacher doesn't use the boring routine ive seen him many times as the stig on the tv series TopGear and he uses one hand a lot of the time and you cant exactly say he is a bad driver
@MrFourwheeler48 two hands are always better than a one hand because when you have two hand on the wheel bouth hands get feed-back from steering wheel. Secund when you have to fast change direction two hand are better and more pecise. .. sory for bad english
@2trips to control the wheel one hand i enough as long as you driving not racing.
one hand doesn't mean that you are a bad driver i think
it more important how your reaktions are
i mean if you have to steering hard it can be also done by one hand drivng cause this hand beginns the other hand is coming into it one hand doesn't mean that the driver will drive always in every situation with one hand
@2trips10:00 and 2:00 is FAR from a hand position with the most control...Having one hand on the wheel is not an attempt to be cool, and you have to lead a pretty boring life to think so. It's a relaxed but very controllable hand position if your one hand is between 9:00 and 12:00; and furthermore necessary with a manual.
Left hand @ 9:00 and right hand @ 3:00 is THE BEST hand position for control. To some it's known as the racing driver hand position.
@enigmaPL my favorite hand position for most situations is left hand on the wheel at 7 or 8 o'clock with my wrist braced against my leg or knee and i steer with just my fingers and wrist. i was talking about these idiots that try to look like a gangster or vin diesel and their stability suffers. you can't feel for grip as well if your arm is straight and you're steering with your shoulder. that's all i meant.
@unavailableyet umm my brother IS a professional driver and according to him you are wrong and everyone else is right they plan ahead and shift down before entering a turn if you brake in a turn your turning radius will suffer and you can't take turns as tight as you could if you braked before the turn
@SausageLinks131 actually it is, its just in your mind you create that illusion, things dont happen of themselves, their no such thing as percent chances that something happens
Thanks - excellent! Far more useful than all the arcane discussion in the driving instructor press. I find that 10to2 is better for 'fixed input driving' because both hands are reasonably close to the top. One thing you could usefully explain is the 'dynamic' reason for not steering from the lower half of the wheel: because the 'G' forces then take your hands to the outside of the turn, giving 'positive' force feedback and risking oversteer. Any chance of a 'creative commons' licence on this?
Push pull steering is bull. Its not natural that's why 99% of drivers who pass their test stop using this dumb technique. How many times have you seen fully qualified drivers use push pull?
@xtelevisionset If this is a joke, it's good. If you're serious, I pity you. I'm a 17 year old American and have been driving cars with those for almost two years.
Which technique is generally used in racing? I'm trying to learn some steering techniques to drive on the track, but I'm not sure where to find resources in doing so.
to be honest i think this way of holding the wheel is more dangerous than just holding it how you feel most comfortable with, because this style of diving is very slow and if you had to make a quick sharp maneuver you wouldn't be able to do it... I know people who have crashed because of this!
@caspaanddoritos What a load of cr*p. People crash because they don't pay attention to what's going on around them or they take the wrong action at the wrong time. If people actually concentrated on their driving, looked more than a few feet in front of their nose and checked their mirrors more often, there'd be far fewer accidents. With hands at 9 and 3 on the wheel, you can easily turn 90 degrees either direction without moving either hand off the wheel. How quick and how sharp do you need?
@gromit37 I don't know when you passed your driving test but in an up to date test your meant to: hold the wheel at 10 to 2, do NOT cross your arms and do NOT let the wheel slide through your hands.
now next time you are driving around town or doing maneuvers try it and see what a rubbish practice it is.
@caspaanddoritos I passed my last 'Advanced' driving test less than a year ago. Firstly, I can assure you that nowhere in ANY of the current driving test literature does it say you are required to use 10 to 2. Secondly, for small movements of the wheel, fixed grip is perfectly acceptable. Thirdly, I did not mention crossing your arms, although it acceptable when used at low speed. Please check the 'Official DSA Guide to Driving: the essential skills'. I did not say let the wheel slide.
@gromit37 I think you mean it is acceptable at any speed. I won't bother reading the guidelines for regulations and their reasons, but will here say this: should you find yourself in a situation at high speed where a crash is likely, it is better to use a steering method which gives you more control and requires crossing of hands than a restrictive one which doesn't. Avoiding any crash is better than having any 'safe,' if you will, crash.
@Stankinator911 Thanks for the info, but a few points. Firstly, we're talking about every day, normal driving. Most people do not skid on a regular basis. Secondly, the DSA do not teach skid training as standard, so most people don't know how to control a skid using any steering method or the correct footwork. I've done enough skid work to know how to try and recover a skid and what steering methods to use. More important is avoiding getting in to situations like that in the first place.
@caspaanddoritos Please read what I wrote again. You obviously haven't read them properly, and you haven't checked your facts. Can I recommend you do some research of the official requirements and practices. Also, check 'Roadcraft, which lists the methods used not only UK Police forces, but is also used as the basis of the IAM and RoSPA advanced driving tests. All of which are sanctioned by the DSA. Check the causes of driving 'accidents' and tell me how many are OFFICIALLY CAUSED by using PP.
@gromit37 could you state the facts that are wrong in my comment.
also I never said PP is a common cause of crashes, just I know people who used to shuffle the wheel and crashed because of it, and I doubt any 'accidents' are OFFICIALLY caused by PP because it would undermine PP, the "safe" way to drive.
P.S was spending the time looking up all that info just for a convo on youtube worth it?
@caspaanddoritos You said: "I don't know when you passed your driving test but in an up to date test your meant to: hold the wheel at 10 to 2, do NOT cross your arms". According to the official driving examiner guidelines you are wrong. Have a look for yourself, page 54 at *(www2)*.dft.gov.uk/dsa/Documents/guidance/dsa_dt1_standard_operating_procedure.pdf?path=/dsa/Documents/guidance/dsa_dt1_standard_operating_procedure.pdf. I didn't spend any time looking it up, I already knew this stuff.
@caspaanddoritos If people like you post silly, factually incorrect comments, purporting them to be true, why shouldn't they be corrected? As for your comments about PP steering causing accidents, well, it hardly merits a serious reply. You clearly have no evidence to prove it. Lack of concentration, poor observation and poor anticipation cause *most* accidents. Obviously, a famous driving god such as your self knows better than I, so please post a link to show us some of YOUR perfect driving.
What a usefull lesson, now i finally got the hang of the roundabouts:p lol
When i just fool around, not driving near the limit i often just use one hand on the steeringwheel but on the track i allways have my hands "quarter to two", i never move my hands around unnless i need more "lock" than my arms can cross eachother... I drive a rwd car with short steering ratio and no powersteering, r-compound tires...
you forgot one of my fav techniques. stearing with one hand while doing a 3-point turn with a manual car. keep one hand in the 9 o-clock possition and using the palm of your hand grip the wheel and crank as fast as you can when your stopped while changing gear with the other hand. i'm actually surprized you didn't do that one
@moham7ad while it's a cool one that i us, too, sometimes, it is wrong. but then again, you can also turn around a corner using only one hand, and you don't need power steering for it (i don't have power steering so i should know) :))
@moham7ad legend comment lad haha i lol'd at it nothing wrong with 1 hand steering wheel movement it's far quicker than feeding the wheel and taking half a day to turn around
when you showed having only one hand on the wheel at the top and bottom and thumbs only, that's exactly how I drive sometimes yet i've had a clean licence since I passed 3 years ago :D
I have one hand on the wheel and one hand on the gear stick, that way i personally feel I have more controll. I know it's the wrong way etc etc, but how I see it that way I have controll of everything, not just the steering..
@skedtm You actually have less control that way. Forget pull push for the moment, but having one hand only on the wheel gives you less control of your steering. You'll corner instantly better on country roads if you switch to holding the wheel at the quarter to three position. Why waste a hand on the gear lever, where it is just doing nothing and actually causing damage to the gearbox?
@Custom2212 Lol if you have weak armys thats your problem :P seriously though, when you (I) turn the wheel with two hands it just doesn't feel right.. I undertand if you don't have power steering and on motorways and other roads like them but in towns, when there could be people crossing roads at any moment, motorbikes comming out of nowhere, buses pullling out, traffic lights turning et etc.. I also don't understand how resting a hand on the gear lever damages the gearbox? :S
@Custom2212 What a load of crap. My dad had an Escort for 13 years and he drove with one hand on the stick all the time, it was in the same condition when he sold as it was when he bought it.
@Custom2212 Unless you drive like Grandma', you would want to keep a hand on the gear... it is not wasting a hand! When driving fast, that is IF you drive fast, when negotiating a curve, you need to shift down to maximize traction, and that needs to happen in a split of a second. If you a take a U-Turn, turning the steering with both hands is impractical and slow.. you can do it using the palm of one hand. However, there is NO doubt that using both hands is much safer, but impractical!
@unavailableyet disagree. u don't keep ur hand on the gear shift. you only touch the gear shift when you need to shift a gear. that's why they call it a gear shift and not a hand holder.
@CallMeDB As I said, unless you drive like grandma'! If you were a professional driver, you would have known what I was talking about. Furthermore, if you are form the States, and are only used to driving automatic or on highways, it explains your opinion... otherwise, you are wrong and I am right... and this is not an opinion, it is a day by day tested fact... and I am the one to test it, so unless you are a professional driver, I suggest you revise your knowledge about driving
@unavailableyet Professional drivers always downshift to the proper gear before turning into the corner. Downshifting midway at highspeed is risky and can induce transmission lock
@powerfultoa7 Transmission lock, yeah right! Have you ever heard of Engine Braking? You need to know how and when to re-engage the clutch after down shifting... I'm not insinuating that I'm the best driver, or that there is nothing else I could learn about driving. I drive fast, cause I travel a lot, and I don't drive on high ways, because there are none... I drive on regular roads with lots of curves, for long distances and I drive a lot and fast, hence my shifting habits
@unavailableyet Of course I know engine braking...it's important for slowing going downhill and such. Your technique is wrong and I bet any professional driver who gives advice would almost always say that shifting BEFORE a corner is best as it gives you the best opportunity to have the maximum amount of power on exit. If you know how to heel toe it would be even better and faster
@powerfultoa7 First of all... I did not say shifting DURING taking a corner! I said downshifting... I would love to invite you to a test drive, but we are too far away from each other. Maybe I'm using the wrong terms, or I'm not expressing myself clearly. Anyway, I suggest you drive the way that makes you feel safe and comfortable! Take care
@unavailableyet Sorry, when I mentioned shifting I meant it in the general term (downshifting or upshifting, whatever). It's cool that you feel comfortable with your driving style, but I'm just commenting based on my collective knowledge of professional drivers view of shifting (we could talk more if you'd liked). Yes, there can be varying styles of driving, but there are some techniques that are proven to be the most efficient and effective, not to mention safe way to drive.
@unavailableyet If you drive fast, before negotiating a curve you should select the correct gear to give you the necessary drive throughout the curve, NOT changing gear mid bend, that will never maximise traction. Doing that will upset the balance of the car making it feel bouncy and squirmy. Good swift drivers don't need to change gear in a split second; they look ahead and plan properly. Also, whilst carrying out slow speed manoeuvres it IS acceptable to cross your hands at the wheel.
hmmm, here in the us, I was never taught that pull-push method, or anything even slightly congruous. And, I've never seen anyone do anything like that.
@04smallmj. i hear ya there... i got a point removed (during the test you get 3 points, loose 3 you fail that time) while paralelle parking a 2003 3/4 truck that was a crew cab and long box in a space that allowed about 8 inches beween the front and rear bumpers only because i was to far out.. i basically got out of the truck went to her door and told her to do it. she refused. i asked how many peple do this in a truck and she said none. i argued it and got it back. i passed anyways but still
@xtelevisionset, this coming from a person that didnt even know what a shifter looks like... givin the year of the vehicle you stated taking a driving test at 16 would make you what 19 now... still a little punk that thinks they know it all. i remember those years. just wait untill reality hits, you have another thing coming
It depends entirely on where you live LoveBigTime. There is no doubt about it, push-pull is the safest, most accurate form of steering for road driving there is. This goes for advanced or standard driving. I can give you the advantages and disadavnges of both but push-pull outweighs hand over hand every time.
If you want to take your car control further you will use push-pull but just remember, you drive the way you are taught for your driving test, after that its up to you.
Pull push is considered by the DSA and organisations like IAM/ROSPA to be "default" its the one you're going to use the most. The DSA requires that you use it exclusively, no other method is taught. Hand over hand will be used when you need to achieve a great deal of lock quickly, either in low or high speed manoeuvres, and is taught by advanced motoring organisations.
@F1X0R121 I am not sure what driver training you are refering to but push-pull is the exculsive IAM steering method taught to UK Police for advanced driving as set out by Roadcraft.
Hey again F1X0R121, fixed steering yes, rotational or hand over hand no. Roadcraft does not reccomend hand over hand steering under any circumstances. If you believe me wrong then by all means provide me with a legitimate web link that says otherwise. Cheers again.
the only reason i can see you having an issue with pull-push when releasing lock is if you are changing up a gear during the middle of a corner (which is considered bad practise is it not?)
otherwise i do not see what is wrong with it and think it's a very relevant for all aspects of driving unless whilst controlling a skid where rotational is probably better to counter the kickback etc?
There is nothing dangerous about push pull if a learner you can,t push pull back quick they are going too fast, we are not teaching learners in the UK to be racing drivers or police prsuit drivers. Just to driving safely.
Infact, Police pursuit drivers use push-pull too. It doesn't matter how fast you are driving or cornering, if push-pull isn't fast enough to gain control over your steering then you don't have full control over your vehicle. The same basic principle of push-pull can and should be used by both novice and advanced road drivers.
Its probably the best method for moderately tight turns up to about 3/4s of a turn of steering lock, maybe a full turn. Any more then that and I think it takes too much effort.
Although pull-push CAN be used for all tasks on the road, why not just use the most efficient method for the circumstance? Pull-push is excellent for dealing with junctions and roundabouts, but why not use (for example) fixed input for cornering and rotational for manoeuvring?
pull/push is very useful in most situations. rotational steering has use but it's not done in the way you're prescribing.
You need to assess the deviation of course of travel first. - use pull/push to initially position the car firstly and then use rotational steering to keep the car in maximum control throughout the bend/corner. Fixed input can then be used for stability. Rotantional steering is worthless in isolation.
But adopting pull/push upon the exit of a bend is good.
Thanks for that. Read the info. This is aimed at people taking their IAM or Rospa advanced test in the UK. I don't know what the equivalent of the Driving Standards Agency in other countries recommend. I am explaining steering as described in the UK Police drivers handbook, Roadcraft.
My instructor tells me to turn the steering wheel one full circle when making a 90 degree turn. In this turning method, would that be (in terms of clock position) right hand 1 to 5, left hand 9 to 1, then right hand 1 to 5 again then hold? He always yells at me because I turn the wheel too much sometimes.
Hi. When you're learning to drive from the beginning, you do need some rules to get you going. However, you'll find that how much you need to turn the wheel for a given corner will vary from car to car. In terms of hand positions, I tend to advise using (almost) the full 12 to 6 o'clock range, so start with a pull down from 12 o'clock and continue until the hands meet at almost 6, and then push back up to almost 12
If you don't find the way he's yelling at you helpful, get a new instructor, but only you know whether the yelling is appropriate. If he's backing it up with explanation and showing you how to do it right, then that's OK
Another great vid, the only other point worth mentioning in relation to steering - seat postion - note how far the driver is sat back from the wheel, just enough - his arms are slightly bent giving him plenty of control and room to move. Too close (arms too bent) or too far (arms locked out) and you compromise your ability to control the car.
Another great vid, the only other point worth mentioning in relation to steering - seat postion - note how far the driver is sat back from the wheel, just enough - his arms are slightly bent giving him plenty of control and room to move. Too close (arms too bent) or too far (arms locked out) and you compromise your ability to control the car.
@AnalogueAndy unfortunately not everyone can do this. it all depends on the driving position you're most comfortable with. not all cars come with fully adjustable steering wheels. i like to sit up straight (too straight according to most people), so i'm pretty close to the wheel. if i move further back, i can't press the clutch pedal all the way down anymore. and if i were to put myself in the "ideal driving position" i feel like i'm in a recliner. and i'm not. i'm in a car, not a living room
Thanks. Power steering shouldn't make too much difference as long as you are not trying to turn the steering when the car is completely stopped (which is a bad idea anyway).
Excellent video. My car hasn't got power steering, but I'll try these techniques to get used to them, so when I buy a better car I won't have to leran it all again. Congrats!
Hi, I'm an American. How do you operate the foot pedals if the steering wheel is on the wrong side?
BahamaLouie 2 months ago
@BahamaLouie FAIL..
SuperJKE123 2 months ago
@BahamaLouie the foot pedals are on the same side as the wheel lol just like on a left sided wheel
grimbomufc09 4 days ago
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3:38 lets go of wheel despite telling us not to.
You watch the wheel when "push pulling". Jerk stop jerk stop jerk stop... do that in the wet or snow and you kiss your paint goodbye.
106QSDAVE 3 months ago
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106QSDAVE 3 months ago
That's brilliant - I do a combination of all 3 depending where I am - never had a clue they were some sort of recognised movements! The fixed input on country roads and motorways, the rotational around some roads and pull-push in car parks! You should do one on how to adjust side mirrors, loads of people have them looking at the sides of the car! Some even have interior mirrors on a tilt so they can see their own face! i see some terrible drivers, so much for the new tests.
urbex2007 4 months ago
lol i am 13 and i drive the car easily to 2nd gear means i am taking some lessons to drive a car fast
thep149 4 months ago
3:20
afsalmpm 5 months ago
the cooler you think your hand position makes you look, the less good of a driver you are. the best driver will use the most boring, normal hand position which offers the most control.
2trips 5 months ago 9
@2trips bullshit - a really competent driver can steer one handed at all times with the other hand on the gear stick! And have MORE control than someone using two hands. Why? Because your non-dominant hand gets in the way of precision steering.
VinceMcJericho 3 months ago
@VinceMcJericho all i meant is that if you have your hand at the 12 oclock position and your arm totally straight from your shoulder to your wrist (the insecure wanna-be cool guy position, favored by every bad driver i know) you have a fraction of the control you would have from a more stable hand position.
the "really competent driver" of your example would still benefit from holding the steering wheel properly, even if s/he understood more than most how to handle a car.
2trips 3 months ago
@2trips Michael Schumacher doesn't use the boring routine ive seen him many times as the stig on the tv series TopGear and he uses one hand a lot of the time and you cant exactly say he is a bad driver
gizzod678 3 months ago
@gizzod678 please point me to a vid of schumie doing a vin diesel impression.
2trips 3 months ago
@2trips I can steer one handed in perfect control, in the snow...and im only 16
MrFourwheeler48 2 months ago
@MrFourwheeler48 two hands are always better than a one hand because when you have two hand on the wheel bouth hands get feed-back from steering wheel. Secund when you have to fast change direction two hand are better and more pecise. .. sory for bad english
PeterMedvesek 2 months ago
@MrFourwheeler48 the applicable mario andretti quote: If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.
2trips 1 month ago
@2trips to control the wheel one hand i enough as long as you driving not racing.
one hand doesn't mean that you are a bad driver i think
it more important how your reaktions are
i mean if you have to steering hard it can be also done by one hand drivng cause this hand beginns the other hand is coming into it one hand doesn't mean that the driver will drive always in every situation with one hand
AndyG123456789123456 1 month ago
@2trips 10:00 and 2:00 is FAR from a hand position with the most control...Having one hand on the wheel is not an attempt to be cool, and you have to lead a pretty boring life to think so. It's a relaxed but very controllable hand position if your one hand is between 9:00 and 12:00; and furthermore necessary with a manual.
Left hand @ 9:00 and right hand @ 3:00 is THE BEST hand position for control. To some it's known as the racing driver hand position.
enigmaPL 1 month ago
@enigmaPL my favorite hand position for most situations is left hand on the wheel at 7 or 8 o'clock with my wrist braced against my leg or knee and i steer with just my fingers and wrist. i was talking about these idiots that try to look like a gangster or vin diesel and their stability suffers. you can't feel for grip as well if your arm is straight and you're steering with your shoulder. that's all i meant.
2trips 1 month ago
thanx my dear frind. Thanx 100 times
nasimykins 6 months ago
@unavailableyet umm my brother IS a professional driver and according to him you are wrong and everyone else is right they plan ahead and shift down before entering a turn if you brake in a turn your turning radius will suffer and you can't take turns as tight as you could if you braked before the turn
InsideTheWall41 6 months ago
3:30 wasn't rotational, it was a very fast pull-push, even though you were demonstrating roatation, and said "hand over hand" as you did it.
a8vip 6 months ago
i think that the push pull methods works more for those that are learing to drive an automatic car
jovigirlbonjovi100 6 months ago
is it just me or are some ppl just a little overkill when it comes to safety?
geppegep 7 months ago
@geppegep There's no such thing as overkill when it comes to safety.
SausageLinks131 6 months ago
@SausageLinks131 actually it is, its just in your mind you create that illusion, things dont happen of themselves, their no such thing as percent chances that something happens
geppegep 6 months ago
@geppegep Yeah, but it's better to be safe than sorry. Especially when driving.
SausageLinks131 6 months ago
I have a problem driving that car u drivin. That look like its on the left hand uhhuhh i dnt drive like dat only right :)
raymondking092094 7 months ago
I drive at 12 o'clock alllllll day. then when i gotta make a turn i only use my palm on my one hand to steer.
zulonz 7 months ago
in my country you have to parallel park in a very steep downhill street and a tiny parking slot on M/T
masochistnteam 7 months ago
Thanks - excellent! Far more useful than all the arcane discussion in the driving instructor press. I find that 10to2 is better for 'fixed input driving' because both hands are reasonably close to the top. One thing you could usefully explain is the 'dynamic' reason for not steering from the lower half of the wheel: because the 'G' forces then take your hands to the outside of the turn, giving 'positive' force feedback and risking oversteer. Any chance of a 'creative commons' licence on this?
SafedriverN 8 months ago
Push pull steering is bull. Its not natural that's why 99% of drivers who pass their test stop using this dumb technique. How many times have you seen fully qualified drivers use push pull?
TheIceMurder 8 months ago
@TheIceMurder Cops in USA use this technique. It's horribly wrong.
xtelevisionset 8 months ago
Hi, I'm an American. What is that thing you keep moving with your left hand?
xtelevisionset 8 months ago 49
@xtelevisionset The gear stick obviously.
TheIceMurder 8 months ago
@xtelevisionset If this is a joke, it's good. If you're serious, I pity you. I'm a 17 year old American and have been driving cars with those for almost two years.
Stankinator911 7 months ago
@xtelevisionset hmmmm that is why i see celebs like biebs nd paris hilton pass there test so quickly
bluemoon1012 4 months ago
@xtelevisionset a shifter you moron!
frograna2 4 months ago
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@xtelevisionset LOL fuck you!
MultiTaketwo 3 months ago
@xtelevisionset its a gear!!!!
Shehroo22 3 months ago
@xtelevisionset Its the gear!
TheMsRuchita 2 months ago
@xtelevisionset he is changing the gears.
thegreeneyes01 1 month ago
@xtelevisionset And why does he keep moving his left leg?
1HGClark 1 month ago
@xtelevisionset Mongolia
sweepy90 1 month ago
@xtelevisionset a manual gear stick. We aren't idiots who only know how to drive automatic.
bouncingmaniac 1 week ago
idk if he noticed, but the wheels on the wrong side ..
MASTEROFTHEHERB 8 months ago
honda eww
cmonwork 8 months ago
Which technique is generally used in racing? I'm trying to learn some steering techniques to drive on the track, but I'm not sure where to find resources in doing so.
losangelesrep 8 months ago
to be honest i think this way of holding the wheel is more dangerous than just holding it how you feel most comfortable with, because this style of diving is very slow and if you had to make a quick sharp maneuver you wouldn't be able to do it... I know people who have crashed because of this!
caspaanddoritos 9 months ago
@caspaanddoritos What a load of cr*p. People crash because they don't pay attention to what's going on around them or they take the wrong action at the wrong time. If people actually concentrated on their driving, looked more than a few feet in front of their nose and checked their mirrors more often, there'd be far fewer accidents. With hands at 9 and 3 on the wheel, you can easily turn 90 degrees either direction without moving either hand off the wheel. How quick and how sharp do you need?
gromit37 8 months ago
@gromit37 I don't know when you passed your driving test but in an up to date test your meant to: hold the wheel at 10 to 2, do NOT cross your arms and do NOT let the wheel slide through your hands.
now next time you are driving around town or doing maneuvers try it and see what a rubbish practice it is.
caspaanddoritos 8 months ago
@caspaanddoritos I passed my last 'Advanced' driving test less than a year ago. Firstly, I can assure you that nowhere in ANY of the current driving test literature does it say you are required to use 10 to 2. Secondly, for small movements of the wheel, fixed grip is perfectly acceptable. Thirdly, I did not mention crossing your arms, although it acceptable when used at low speed. Please check the 'Official DSA Guide to Driving: the essential skills'. I did not say let the wheel slide.
gromit37 8 months ago
@gromit37 I think you mean it is acceptable at any speed. I won't bother reading the guidelines for regulations and their reasons, but will here say this: should you find yourself in a situation at high speed where a crash is likely, it is better to use a steering method which gives you more control and requires crossing of hands than a restrictive one which doesn't. Avoiding any crash is better than having any 'safe,' if you will, crash.
Stankinator911 7 months ago
@Stankinator911 Thanks for the info, but a few points. Firstly, we're talking about every day, normal driving. Most people do not skid on a regular basis. Secondly, the DSA do not teach skid training as standard, so most people don't know how to control a skid using any steering method or the correct footwork. I've done enough skid work to know how to try and recover a skid and what steering methods to use. More important is avoiding getting in to situations like that in the first place.
gromit37 7 months ago
@caspaanddoritos Please read what I wrote again. You obviously haven't read them properly, and you haven't checked your facts. Can I recommend you do some research of the official requirements and practices. Also, check 'Roadcraft, which lists the methods used not only UK Police forces, but is also used as the basis of the IAM and RoSPA advanced driving tests. All of which are sanctioned by the DSA. Check the causes of driving 'accidents' and tell me how many are OFFICIALLY CAUSED by using PP.
gromit37 8 months ago
@gromit37 could you state the facts that are wrong in my comment.
also I never said PP is a common cause of crashes, just I know people who used to shuffle the wheel and crashed because of it, and I doubt any 'accidents' are OFFICIALLY caused by PP because it would undermine PP, the "safe" way to drive.
P.S was spending the time looking up all that info just for a convo on youtube worth it?
caspaanddoritos 8 months ago
@caspaanddoritos You said: "I don't know when you passed your driving test but in an up to date test your meant to: hold the wheel at 10 to 2, do NOT cross your arms". According to the official driving examiner guidelines you are wrong. Have a look for yourself, page 54 at *(www2)*.dft.gov.uk/dsa/Documents/guidance/dsa_dt1_standard_operating_procedure.pdf?path=/dsa/Documents/guidance/dsa_dt1_standard_operating_procedure.pdf. I didn't spend any time looking it up, I already knew this stuff.
gromit37 8 months ago
@caspaanddoritos If people like you post silly, factually incorrect comments, purporting them to be true, why shouldn't they be corrected? As for your comments about PP steering causing accidents, well, it hardly merits a serious reply. You clearly have no evidence to prove it. Lack of concentration, poor observation and poor anticipation cause *most* accidents. Obviously, a famous driving god such as your self knows better than I, so please post a link to show us some of YOUR perfect driving.
gromit37 8 months ago
what kinda car is that?model that is
TheFreshsmith 9 months ago
@TheFreshsmith Looka like a euro civic
donperry1 9 months ago
what kinda car is that?
TheFreshsmith 9 months ago
Power Steering.
gelorave 10 months ago
LOVELY EXPLANATION.THANX A LOT
352shan 1 year ago
I do always the last, or take my hand at the top of the wheel
MrSpeedking13 1 year ago
What a usefull lesson, now i finally got the hang of the roundabouts:p lol
When i just fool around, not driving near the limit i often just use one hand on the steeringwheel but on the track i allways have my hands "quarter to two", i never move my hands around unnless i need more "lock" than my arms can cross eachother... I drive a rwd car with short steering ratio and no powersteering, r-compound tires...
Julianstensen 1 year ago
new honda civic good car :)
unname321 1 year ago
Random question, but can I ask the specs of your Civic?
Jamesss123456 1 year ago
you forgot one of my fav techniques. stearing with one hand while doing a 3-point turn with a manual car. keep one hand in the 9 o-clock possition and using the palm of your hand grip the wheel and crank as fast as you can when your stopped while changing gear with the other hand. i'm actually surprized you didn't do that one
moham7ad 1 year ago
@moham7ad while it's a cool one that i us, too, sometimes, it is wrong. but then again, you can also turn around a corner using only one hand, and you don't need power steering for it (i don't have power steering so i should know) :))
razvanalex07 1 year ago
@moham7ad legend comment lad haha i lol'd at it nothing wrong with 1 hand steering wheel movement it's far quicker than feeding the wheel and taking half a day to turn around
Mr330d 1 year ago
i dont think about these things at all i just steer, havent taken drivers licence yet though
geppegep 1 year ago
DO NOT use these methods on your test you will FAIL
keefo54 1 year ago
try steering like that in my car, you would have do be built like hulk hogan
jordanr1504 1 year ago
@jordanr1504 no power steering? :p
elbinar 1 year ago
@elbinar yup, no power steering, a big heavy engine and fat tyres
jordanr1504 1 year ago
@jordanr1504 no power steering? i sympatise with you, my friend.
razvanalex07 1 year ago
Good Video
KasperVest 1 year ago
I think you did pull-push twice. I didn't actually see hand-over-hand steering used in the video.
MooseOfReason 1 year ago
I dont know what they teach in the UK but in Australia the hands are at the ten and two positions for the pull push method.
n41883 1 year ago
good tutorial here...im bad with steering...traffic police test in 2 weeks time! Oh emmm geee..
ashura517 1 year ago
Just search tommi mäkinen in car!
miikathebest 1 year ago 17
i just use my palm 1 handed all de way
uratirde 1 year ago
@uratirde me too
CrazyForCooCooPuffs 1 year ago
@uratirde Baller!
shinesinpines 1 year ago
@uratirde I accidently honked at myself when I tried that method LOL.
04smallmj 1 year ago
This is really great - Many thanks!
MWamidh 1 year ago
when you showed having only one hand on the wheel at the top and bottom and thumbs only, that's exactly how I drive sometimes yet i've had a clean licence since I passed 3 years ago :D
I have one hand on the wheel and one hand on the gear stick, that way i personally feel I have more controll. I know it's the wrong way etc etc, but how I see it that way I have controll of everything, not just the steering..
skedtm 1 year ago
@skedtm You actually have less control that way. Forget pull push for the moment, but having one hand only on the wheel gives you less control of your steering. You'll corner instantly better on country roads if you switch to holding the wheel at the quarter to three position. Why waste a hand on the gear lever, where it is just doing nothing and actually causing damage to the gearbox?
Custom2212 1 year ago 29
@Custom2212 Lol if you have weak armys thats your problem :P seriously though, when you (I) turn the wheel with two hands it just doesn't feel right.. I undertand if you don't have power steering and on motorways and other roads like them but in towns, when there could be people crossing roads at any moment, motorbikes comming out of nowhere, buses pullling out, traffic lights turning et etc.. I also don't understand how resting a hand on the gear lever damages the gearbox? :S
skedtm 1 year ago
@Custom2212 how does it cause damage to the gearbox?
Starfleet0 1 year ago
@Starfleet0 I've read resting a hand on the gear lever can wear the gear selector fork.
Custom2212 7 months ago
@Custom2212 What a load of crap. My dad had an Escort for 13 years and he drove with one hand on the stick all the time, it was in the same condition when he sold as it was when he bought it.
bfcricky 5 months ago
@bfcricky lol, yeah. Shit.
xtelevisionset 4 months ago
@Custom2212 Unless you drive like Grandma', you would want to keep a hand on the gear... it is not wasting a hand! When driving fast, that is IF you drive fast, when negotiating a curve, you need to shift down to maximize traction, and that needs to happen in a split of a second. If you a take a U-Turn, turning the steering with both hands is impractical and slow.. you can do it using the palm of one hand. However, there is NO doubt that using both hands is much safer, but impractical!
unavailableyet 7 months ago
@unavailableyet disagree. u don't keep ur hand on the gear shift. you only touch the gear shift when you need to shift a gear. that's why they call it a gear shift and not a hand holder.
CallMeDB 6 months ago
@CallMeDB As I said, unless you drive like grandma'! If you were a professional driver, you would have known what I was talking about. Furthermore, if you are form the States, and are only used to driving automatic or on highways, it explains your opinion... otherwise, you are wrong and I am right... and this is not an opinion, it is a day by day tested fact... and I am the one to test it, so unless you are a professional driver, I suggest you revise your knowledge about driving
unavailableyet 6 months ago
@unavailableyet Professional drivers always downshift to the proper gear before turning into the corner. Downshifting midway at highspeed is risky and can induce transmission lock
powerfultoa7 6 months ago
@powerfultoa7 Transmission lock, yeah right! Have you ever heard of Engine Braking? You need to know how and when to re-engage the clutch after down shifting... I'm not insinuating that I'm the best driver, or that there is nothing else I could learn about driving. I drive fast, cause I travel a lot, and I don't drive on high ways, because there are none... I drive on regular roads with lots of curves, for long distances and I drive a lot and fast, hence my shifting habits
unavailableyet 6 months ago
@unavailableyet Of course I know engine braking...it's important for slowing going downhill and such. Your technique is wrong and I bet any professional driver who gives advice would almost always say that shifting BEFORE a corner is best as it gives you the best opportunity to have the maximum amount of power on exit. If you know how to heel toe it would be even better and faster
powerfultoa7 4 months ago
@powerfultoa7 First of all... I did not say shifting DURING taking a corner! I said downshifting... I would love to invite you to a test drive, but we are too far away from each other. Maybe I'm using the wrong terms, or I'm not expressing myself clearly. Anyway, I suggest you drive the way that makes you feel safe and comfortable! Take care
unavailableyet 4 months ago
@unavailableyet Sorry, when I mentioned shifting I meant it in the general term (downshifting or upshifting, whatever). It's cool that you feel comfortable with your driving style, but I'm just commenting based on my collective knowledge of professional drivers view of shifting (we could talk more if you'd liked). Yes, there can be varying styles of driving, but there are some techniques that are proven to be the most efficient and effective, not to mention safe way to drive.
powerfultoa7 4 months ago
@unavailableyet If you drive fast, before negotiating a curve you should select the correct gear to give you the necessary drive throughout the curve, NOT changing gear mid bend, that will never maximise traction. Doing that will upset the balance of the car making it feel bouncy and squirmy. Good swift drivers don't need to change gear in a split second; they look ahead and plan properly. Also, whilst carrying out slow speed manoeuvres it IS acceptable to cross your hands at the wheel.
sebluddyshame 6 months ago
Sorry unavailableyet!!!! that comment was aimed squarley at CUSTOM2212..............
sebluddyshame 6 months ago
@sebluddyshame I'm confused. I think your comment agrees with what I'm trying to say in these videos? Did you mean that the other way round?
Custom2212 6 months ago
@skedtm I also drive like that, with one hand on the stick, but only in the city where i need to change gears all the time because of the traffic.
cucumihai 1 year ago
@skedtm i couldn't agree with you more 1 hand is enough unless your doing like 130mph 2 hands is better :)
Mr330d 1 year ago
@skedtm
and it makes you look like a baller
TheFatalFX 10 months ago
@skedtm just go ahead and drive that way all this safety crap is just overrated, only thing u need to remember is safety belt and ur all good
geppegep 8 months ago
I like the crossing method better. Much easier.
sephirothrikusora 1 year ago
Nice EP :D
Fight2Exist 1 year ago
Hit VTEC!!!!! Just kidding.
tubegangsta 2 years ago
hmmm, here in the us, I was never taught that pull-push method, or anything even slightly congruous. And, I've never seen anyone do anything like that.
looks to be pretty efficient, though.
polypolyman 2 years ago 8
Driving tests in the US are waaay too easy.
04smallmj 2 years ago 46
@04smallmj nevertheless there are people like ozzy osbourne failing about 20 times lol
sesselfurzer2000 11 months ago
@04smallmj indian driving test is the easiest
god4506 5 months ago
@04smallmj. i hear ya there... i got a point removed (during the test you get 3 points, loose 3 you fail that time) while paralelle parking a 2003 3/4 truck that was a crew cab and long box in a space that allowed about 8 inches beween the front and rear bumpers only because i was to far out.. i basically got out of the truck went to her door and told her to do it. she refused. i asked how many peple do this in a truck and she said none. i argued it and got it back. i passed anyways but still
JustinHansen6669 5 months ago
@JustinHansen6669 I did my test in a 2008 Yukon and parked 4 inches from the curb. You just suck.
xtelevisionset 4 months ago
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JustinHansen6669 4 months ago
@xtelevisionset, this coming from a person that didnt even know what a shifter looks like... givin the year of the vehicle you stated taking a driving test at 16 would make you what 19 now... still a little punk that thinks they know it all. i remember those years. just wait untill reality hits, you have another thing coming
JustinHansen6669 4 months ago
@JustinHansen6669 I took my driving test at 18, got a perfect score. I'm 20 now, just did my motorcycle test, got a perfect score.
It was a joke about Americans.
xtelevisionset 4 months ago
@xtelevisionset and a very good one xDD
AndyG123456789123456 1 month ago
@04smallmj How is that? What's a driving test like out of the US?
alaskandarkangel 4 months ago
my driving instructor makes me do hand-over-hand, I find it frustrating -__-
YummiNai 2 years ago
At 3:28 you said hand over hand but you did pull-push.
FireStormBaller 2 years ago
HONDA CIVIC!!!
madzikud02 2 years ago
Nice vid. Your accent almost reminds me of east coast Canada.
d46512 2 years ago 2
Mate I am having trouble in deciding which method to use
pull push or hand over hand.
When to use pull push ?
and when to use hand over hand ?
please reply my comment
thank you
LoveBigTime 2 years ago
My instructor teaches me the hand over hand. I'm not doing so good! :-/ Over steering. Sigh! :-( I suck.
chotukutty 2 years ago
When driving at speed use pull-push or hand-to hand as you get more feel of the road that way.
When manouvering at low speeds, use hand-over-hand or cross-arms as it gives you more leverage.
Try not to get into the habit of palming or spinning the wheel with one hand (very easy if you are used to power steering)
nickryan39 2 years ago
It depends entirely on where you live LoveBigTime. There is no doubt about it, push-pull is the safest, most accurate form of steering for road driving there is. This goes for advanced or standard driving. I can give you the advantages and disadavnges of both but push-pull outweighs hand over hand every time.
If you want to take your car control further you will use push-pull but just remember, you drive the way you are taught for your driving test, after that its up to you.
05027802 2 years ago
Pull push is considered by the DSA and organisations like IAM/ROSPA to be "default" its the one you're going to use the most. The DSA requires that you use it exclusively, no other method is taught. Hand over hand will be used when you need to achieve a great deal of lock quickly, either in low or high speed manoeuvres, and is taught by advanced motoring organisations.
F1X0R121 2 years ago
@F1X0R121 I am not sure what driver training you are refering to but push-pull is the exculsive IAM steering method taught to UK Police for advanced driving as set out by Roadcraft.
05027802 2 years ago
Roadcraft also demonstrates the other two techniques shown in this video.
F1X0R121 2 years ago
Hey again F1X0R121, fixed steering yes, rotational or hand over hand no. Roadcraft does not reccomend hand over hand steering under any circumstances. If you believe me wrong then by all means provide me with a legitimate web link that says otherwise. Cheers again.
05027802 2 years ago
the only reason i can see you having an issue with pull-push when releasing lock is if you are changing up a gear during the middle of a corner (which is considered bad practise is it not?)
otherwise i do not see what is wrong with it and think it's a very relevant for all aspects of driving unless whilst controlling a skid where rotational is probably better to counter the kickback etc?
HeathwoodStudios 2 years ago
There is nothing dangerous about push pull if a learner you can,t push pull back quick they are going too fast, we are not teaching learners in the UK to be racing drivers or police prsuit drivers. Just to driving safely.
parkdrivingschool 3 years ago
Infact, Police pursuit drivers use push-pull too. It doesn't matter how fast you are driving or cornering, if push-pull isn't fast enough to gain control over your steering then you don't have full control over your vehicle. The same basic principle of push-pull can and should be used by both novice and advanced road drivers.
05027802 2 years ago
Thats true, but push pull is dramatically inefficient to catch slides quickly, unless one allows the steering wheel to slide through one's hands.
vansoth 2 years ago
I agree it's hard and I certainly can't do it, but the instructor in the roadcraft video uses pull-push very efficiently on the skidpan!
DeeWave2 2 years ago
Its probably the best method for moderately tight turns up to about 3/4s of a turn of steering lock, maybe a full turn. Any more then that and I think it takes too much effort.
vansoth 2 years ago
Although pull-push CAN be used for all tasks on the road, why not just use the most efficient method for the circumstance? Pull-push is excellent for dealing with junctions and roundabouts, but why not use (for example) fixed input for cornering and rotational for manoeuvring?
DeeWave2 2 years ago
pull/push is very useful in most situations. rotational steering has use but it's not done in the way you're prescribing.
You need to assess the deviation of course of travel first. - use pull/push to initially position the car firstly and then use rotational steering to keep the car in maximum control throughout the bend/corner. Fixed input can then be used for stability. Rotantional steering is worthless in isolation.
But adopting pull/push upon the exit of a bend is good.
paulanderson79 3 years ago
curse Smog88
JAYJAY16x 3 years ago
Thanks for that. Read the info. This is aimed at people taking their IAM or Rospa advanced test in the UK. I don't know what the equivalent of the Driving Standards Agency in other countries recommend. I am explaining steering as described in the UK Police drivers handbook, Roadcraft.
Custom2212 3 years ago
niiice...i favorite this one for sure..
Bimo165 3 years ago
My instructor tells me to turn the steering wheel one full circle when making a 90 degree turn. In this turning method, would that be (in terms of clock position) right hand 1 to 5, left hand 9 to 1, then right hand 1 to 5 again then hold? He always yells at me because I turn the wheel too much sometimes.
lwc888 3 years ago
Hi. When you're learning to drive from the beginning, you do need some rules to get you going. However, you'll find that how much you need to turn the wheel for a given corner will vary from car to car. In terms of hand positions, I tend to advise using (almost) the full 12 to 6 o'clock range, so start with a pull down from 12 o'clock and continue until the hands meet at almost 6, and then push back up to almost 12
Custom2212 3 years ago
If you don't find the way he's yelling at you helpful, get a new instructor, but only you know whether the yelling is appropriate. If he's backing it up with explanation and showing you how to do it right, then that's OK
Custom2212 3 years ago 4
well explained-from a driving instructor
theredrooter 3 years ago
Thanks, but as it says at the start of the video, and on my page, I am not a driving instructor.
Custom2212 3 years ago
Another great vid, the only other point worth mentioning in relation to steering - seat postion - note how far the driver is sat back from the wheel, just enough - his arms are slightly bent giving him plenty of control and room to move. Too close (arms too bent) or too far (arms locked out) and you compromise your ability to control the car.
AnalogueAndy 3 years ago
Another great vid, the only other point worth mentioning in relation to steering - seat postion - note how far the driver is sat back from the wheel, just enough - his arms are slightly bent giving him plenty of control and room to move. Too close (arms too bent) or too far (arms locked out) and you compromise your ability to control the car.
AnalogueAndy 3 years ago 7
Thanks Andy - I forgot to mention that.
Custom2212 3 years ago
@AnalogueAndy unfortunately not everyone can do this. it all depends on the driving position you're most comfortable with. not all cars come with fully adjustable steering wheels. i like to sit up straight (too straight according to most people), so i'm pretty close to the wheel. if i move further back, i can't press the clutch pedal all the way down anymore. and if i were to put myself in the "ideal driving position" i feel like i'm in a recliner. and i'm not. i'm in a car, not a living room
OB1KXB 9 months ago
thank u veri much, me going 4 my test 2mrw...
dis video waz a great help to me..(",)..
T4NY451MA 3 years ago
Thanks. Power steering shouldn't make too much difference as long as you are not trying to turn the steering when the car is completely stopped (which is a bad idea anyway).
Custom2212 3 years ago
Excellent video. My car hasn't got power steering, but I'll try these techniques to get used to them, so when I buy a better car I won't have to leran it all again. Congrats!
rafaelpereira87 3 years ago
Thanks. I'll try to do a better one with more explanation at some stage.
Custom2212 3 years ago
Good little video there.
05027802 3 years ago 2