@gunblade64 No, it's not just about Ex. 21:5. It's about seeing the facts from a cultural and historical perspective and not making snap judgments out of ignorance. Obviously, if slaves could talk about truly loving their masters and not wanting to desolve the slave/master relationship, then it follows that the kind of slavery at that time involved a familial treatment that our Western culture has not seen. But I have provided in my series resources to research these things. Do the homework.
@csadler You are making snap judgments based on watching one video in a SERIES, and on your flawed assumptions. Slavery is mentioned in the Bible, but so is ABOLITION of it. There is an entire book of the Bible called "Exodus" which is about the slaves being set FREE. Do more than superficial and biased research.
@CRoadwarrior Only certain slave (the chosen) are set free. Colossians 3, Deuteronomy 21, Exodus 21 (Buy and Sell). Further there are rules on how to beat your slaves.
Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
The bible is wicked. Numbers 31. Baby boys put to the bronze sword but their virgin sisters kept as slaves. There is NO context that could make this ok, and nor could this be the mind of a god.
@csadler Nonesense. The Exodus story has applicability beyond "the chosen" as the text itself says. The rules are NOT about how to beat your slaves. Do some basic research. It's about rules to RESTRICT beatings, whereas other cultures surrounding Israel could do almost anything to slaves without restriction. Israel was told by God NOT to return runaways slaves to masters and to allow them freedom (Deut. 23:15,16). What was that all about? No, your perception is wicked.
@csadler And, I might add, the original Hebrew of Num. 31 does not indicate any "baby boys" being put to any sword. Again, you lack basic research and understanding. And where does the text say the virgin women were kept "as slaves"? You are doing what is called eisegesis, reading INTO the text what's not there. But careful thinkers and honest people need to do exegesis, taking out of the text what IS there. So not only did you ignore context but facts as well.
@csadler Yes, KJ got it wrong, as many English translations tend to do. Read the context of the very first verse of the passage you yourself brought up. Let's see if you can read and understand basic English.
@csadler You clearly are mistaken and ignore literary and cultural context. Deut. 21 is speaking of prisoners of war, and having WIVES from those who were captured.
@EntinludeX What nonsense are you talking about? At least I understand what Scripture SAYS in context and historical facts. You should learn how to study issues instead of ad hominem attack those who have.
why did you read the 5th verse of exodus out of context? you left out the part where it would tear down your own argument?
it actually talked about jews enslaving other jews, and that only jews cannot be held permanently (others can),and that and if you give your jewish slave a wife and children, they stay with the master after the release date. If the jewish man says he loves his master, wife, and children the master can make him a permanent slave, by putting a awl(needle) through his ear
@Netruic I did NOT read the verse out of context. I emphasized part of the verse to make a pertinent point. That is not taking it out of context. Learn the meaning of terms. You also ignore the rest of the Bible, which clearly says that slaves can be freed for injury (Ex. 21:26,27), and that runaway slaves were NOT to be returned to their masters, which OBVIOUSLY fostered freedom (Deut. 23:15,16). So, the Bible read properly and in context does NOT "support" slavery.
@CRoadwarrior You do realize that both of those are rules for regulating slavery (not condemning it) and the mere fact that they are there does mean that the bible supports slavery. So could you please read me Leviticus 25:44-46 and Exodus 21:20-21 those passages are pretty clear.
Strop trying to make excuses for this barbaric stone age book that has only hindered the progress of mankind, if we are to progress in this world we must do it ourselves, not by an imaginary god created by barbaric men
@Netruic No, you are absolutely wrong. First of all, Ex. 5:1 clearly condemns the form of slavery being used against Israel. No vaild argument against that. Deut. 23:15,16 stands as another clear condemnation. YOU stop ignoring what the whole Bible says desperately trying to hold on to your misconceptions and taking ONE passage, out of context, and making it the end all and be all. Sorry, that is nonsense.
@CRoadwarrior Ex. 5:1 has god saying to pharaoh to let his people go, how does that condemn the institution of slavery? It merely states you may not enslave these certain people.
And Deut. 23:15 is setting guidelines for it, if it really wanted to condemn it, it would command the masters "YOU SHALL NOT OWN ANOTHER HUMAN BEING" but instead it says who you can enslave, how hard you can beat them, and how to identify them by driving a nail through their ear.
@Netruic NO, the text is abolitionist at the core and was even used by my ancestors to justify the new "Pharoah" to let them go. Sorry, but you simply want to argue against basic facts gleaned from the text. And you TOTALLY misread Deut. 23:15,16, which is a clear abolitionist text that desolves the institution. To promote the institution, you tell the slave to GO BACK to the master, and yet God tells Israel NOT to send them back. Why? Because Israel herself was a runaway slave.
@flightkiller09 And the Bible is even MORE clear in its CONDEMNATION of slavery (Ex. 5:1; 21:26,27;Deut. 23:15,16). Every document requires interpretation - accurate and correct interpretation, that is. What you and others talk is irrational, out-of-context nonsense.
@CRoadwarrior Exactly, part of the BIBLE says It's OK, while other Part is not--which COUNT as COTRADICTION. BTW: deutoromy THOUGHT like A SERIAL KILLER, not a good example of MORALITY. Go Ahead read IT!
@flightkiller09 Exactly nothing. Again, your misunderstanding and ignorance here is staggering. The Bible is not speaking of chattle slavery of the babaric kind when it ALLOWS it. That's indentured servitude, which is STILL going on today, only we call it a JOB. The slavery that was condemned was the harsh kind Egypt enacted, which prompted Yah to say "let my people go." God was the FIRST abolitionist. So please, take that stupid, ignorant, out-of-context nonsense somewhere else.
10 minutes of blabbering. the way god puts it in the bible, people own other people. you know that's wrong. it doesn't matter how you rationalize or interpret it differently, god saw people in the bible being treated as property, and said "you can beat them as long as they don't die" and "their children are also your slaves". god plainly says those things in the bible. imagine yourself being the first person to read the bible, and you see that. are you going to tell me you would think it's fine?
@revolucion04 Again, learn to study history, facts and to keep things IN CONTEXT. You don't even understand what you read due to ignorance, and yet you want to make silly arguments FROM your ignorance. Do some simple research and THEN talk.
I love the fact that videos such as this exist on YouTube. It just makes me more and more certain every day that there is no god. Also, it's apparent that you love to hear yourself talk, with your stupid laugh and condescending tone. Congratulations "Warrior", you have officially been brainwashed. I hope that one day you will wake up.
You can say what you want to say, but they used to use that same Bible to endorse slavery. It's all how you read it and interpret it. And, EVERYBODY thinks that THEY have the correct interpretation. Don't they?!!? Just like they are using the Bible against gays and lesbians now. If you are a homophobe (and full of hate towards gays), then you will see the Bible as a Book that condemns gays (as many do). So, it depends on HOW you see the Bible (and YOUR life experiences) how you will interpret it
@David8024667 And what I say is based on ACCURATE knowledge of history and the issues, and sound hermeneutics, something that most who argue this issue don't have a clue how to do. Everyone can THINK they have the correct interpretation, but hermeneutics proves otherwise. There is a RIGHT way to interpret literature, and a WRONG way. Sadly, too many people think that ignorance is bliss when it comes to understainding the Bible. It's not.
Well, I am not an Atheist, but I think it unrealistic to think that the bible does not condone slavery of the Kunta Kente type. kunte accepted the name Toby to avoid being further punished. This is also why many slaves would say "that they love their masters. When the Bible says slave( it means a person owned by another person) Slaves often received less rights than cattle. They were property. you could beat a biblical slave just like u c in the photos of ur own ancestors of the slave days!
@slybear525 You see, since I have actually done Bible research, I can tell you that your claims are based in ignorance. The reason why the slave was saying he loved his master had NOTHING to do with punishment. Show me that IN THE TEXT. And no, the Bible does not mean "a person owned by another" when it uses the term slave, and they did have more rights than cattle. You could not beat a slave in any way and get away with it, and if you killed one you were punished (Ex. 21:21, 26,27).
@AllGoodInThePNW From your prior comments, it seems you didn't know those facts and that history. Misuse of the Bible does not justify NON use of it. Most of our present laws are based on the Bible or Biblical principles, whether you know or accept that fact or not. The alleged "separation of Church and State" is a catch-phrase but it does not exist in reality.
@steelbrushtattoo LOL. That's funny. Who said I defended slavery? You grossly misunderstand my point. I defend the truth, and that truth is that God NEVER ordered or ordained slavery. The Bible never enslaved anyone. People misused the Bible. Do some basic research on the many Christian ministers during the time of slavery who said some of the exact same things I'm saying now: Rev. Theodore D. Weld, The Bible Against Slavery (1837).
main, you suck as a commediant, your jokes don't make anyone laugh and your recorded laughs are just annoying. You are black african origin, the church you now defend determined at that time that black people did not have a human soul, so that is the justification for black slaves, same as owning animals. So you don't need to look at the bible for justifications of slavery as the bible talks about human slaves.
@donnomar First of all, you don't know many facts because a) many say my jokes make them laugh although I am NOT trying to be a comedian (correct spelling). b) you are mistaken about the church because ALL the church did not fall for that "no soul" nonsense, c) talking about human slaves is not the same as advocating and commanding it. Go do some basic research, or better yet, stat tuned to my well researched and documented videos.
@steelbrushtattoo No, I have Regeneration Syndrome. Been there, done that with Islam, and I've written several articles on the false claims of the religion. Islam will wither as all false religions do in time. You deal with it.
@gunblade64 Because you have shown no evidence that you know Biblical Hebrew, and most people don't. I have done my homework. I will leave it at that.
@steelbrushtattoo ....All started by a false prophet who combined credible and not so credible sources to make up the Koran and make up his false religion, and then "convert" with the sword instead of the truth of his convictions. Christianity dying? Hardly. You're living in a dream world, Neo....LOL.
@steelbrushtattoo I've studied Islam as well, along with other religions and cult groups. Islam will slow down, because ultimately it is a copycat religion based on a book that was written hundreds of years after all the eyewitnesses to Jesus and the Gospels were dead. And yet it pretends to know the truth about Jesus better than the Gospels. That is a joke. That makes "more sense"? By what logic? Yeah, Islam is much better, suicide bombers, terrorist attacks,....
@steelbrushtattoo ...Not to treat others the way they were treated in Egypt (Deut. 24:14-18). Gentiles were allowed and encouraged to celebrate REST days and feast days with Jews (Deut. 16; Deut. 5:15), and that does not sound like "hell on earth" to me or any other rational people. Sorry, but you just do not know the Bible on any holistic level. All you know are cherry picked, out of context passages that seem to say what you think. That is true propaganda.
@steelbrushtattoo Wow, talk about grand arrogance. I am highly educated, especially in the Bible, and it is quite clear you are not. Jewish slaves, despite your "crayons," did not have it easy. Ex. 21:26,27 applies to Gentile slaves, so they DID get to be free under certain conditions. They could also run away to Israel and be FREE (Deut. 23:15,16). And no, the Bible does NOT say you could make their life a living hell. It says the opposite, as God constantly tells Israel to remember...
@steelbrushtattoo LOL...yeah, you'll like them better until one comes around you with a bombpack attached to his waist yelling "Allah akbar"....better think again.
@steelbrushtattoo And please, I don't want to hear anything about class here. I have taken the time to learn and study what the Bible says, to learn the original languages of the Bible so that I understand it better. So I would think I know a little something more accurately about it than the average "joe" on Youtube. I have plenty of "class" and I go to graduate class to learn truth and learn it well. And no one tells me what to do on my pages. I respond as I see fit, or not.
@steelbrushtattoo I believe that all servitude is not bad. I never said "slavery is good." Don't put words on my browser in my mouth. There are many forms of slavery, and there are good and bad kids. God forgid the bad, abusive kind and clearly said ("let my people go") and then told His people how NOT to treat others in the same manner repeatedly. I am 44 years old, and I've studied the Bible in detail. I am not arrogant and rude. I speak the truth and if you can't handle that, so be it.
@laapache1 No, I can handle the ACCURATE and IN CONTEXT truth just fine. What I don't like and can't stand is when people come to me with such gross ignorance of Scripture and history, and try to tell me what my Scriptures say, all the while ripping passages out of literary and historical context all over the place. That is insanity and stupidity. My "religion" did not condone slavery. All the while, Christian ministers were fighting the institution in America and Great Britain.
@steelbrushtattoo The passage you refer to that you've done no research on is concerned with two rights. The right of the master to punish wrongdoing, and the right of the slave to not be killed by the master while punished. If the slave does not die immediately from the punishment, but dies later, then we have no real basis to PROVE that it was the master's beating that caused death. He could have fallen and hit his head on a rock, or whatever. Do some research. I've provided sources.
@steelbrushtattoo Yeah, I know I'm right. You just made that up...lol. You could beat a non-slave too, so what's your point? Wrongdoing was indeed punishable in the Bible, and even to this day. Duh! The passage is not advocating cruelty. The passage is not saying if the slave dies the third day it's "ok" "because" the slave is property. All slavery is not wrong. A job is a form of slavery where your rights are restricted. Yet that's is considered acceptable servitude.
@steelbrushtattoo No, the Bible does not "condone" slavery. Does "let my people go" sound like condoning? Does Ex. 21:26,27 sound like condoning? Does Deut. 23:15,16 where runaway slaves were NOT to be sent back to their masters sound like condoning? Sorry, you are gravely mistaken due to ignorance of Scripture, and Muslims are far worse than Christians (read their history) so that comment is insane.
@laapache1 You are wrong. It says how to treat the RIGHT, and gives them rights other societies did not give them, such as the right to FREEDOM with Israel after running away (Deut. 23:15,16), and the right to FREEDOM if abused (Ex. 21:26,27). So don't tell me with your ignorance what the Bible condones because you don't know what it says IN CONTEXT.
@steelbrushtattoo That text does NOT say you can kill a gentile slave. You are doing eisegesis, reading INTO the text, not exegesis, reading out of the text.
@steelbrushtattoo Lev. 25:44-46 is not the last word. You forget Ex. 21:26,27 and especially Deut. 23:15,16, where runaways slaves were allowed freedom and were NOT to be returned to masters. Lev. is qualified by the context of other passages on the topic.
@AllGoodInThePNW The "kind" where it saves your life and gets you out of debt (Gen. 47:19-25). Just because people have misused Bible passages in the past, that does not prove a thing. So what? Read Rev. Theodore D. Weld, The Bible Against Slavery (1837). It's available free online. Even back then, people pointed out the mistakes that were being made to support the American slave trade. Learn the facts.
@eoriol1955 It is a disgrace that you would dare to even come at me with such nonsensical and asinine rhetoric. You should be ashamed of yourself. I come bringing Biblical scholarship and historical facts, and you come with vitriol and ignorance, AND you have the nerve to be related to me by genetics and ethnicity. You take that crazy nonsense to the block zone...where all you can do is watch my videos and can't say a word.
@steelbrushtattoo And you can take Ps. 14:1 out of context and make it seem as if the Bible is for atheism, but so what? Go and read The Bible Against Slavery (1837) by Rev. Theodore D. Weld, and learn the fact that even back then, ministers were arguing that people misused the Bible to support slavery. You seem to either be ignorant of or have ignored all the passages that speak to FREEING slaves, such as for abuse (Ex. 21:26,27), and after a certain time (Ex. 21:2).
@debunkingdebunkers Nonsense. You have done no credible research on this, and I know this because if you did, you would not have made such an outlandish claim. Do some basic research. I recommend the book "Is the Bible True?" by Jeffery Sheler. Start there and get back to me.
yeah i wanna watch your video, but your fake laughter is just so uber-smug that i dont wanna watch it. is there any way you can redo this video in a more serious manner?
Wow.....the person who said it took an atheist to end slavery is completely wrong...Lincoln was one of the many presidents who asked for a national day of prayer... Clearly can be proven
you should be ashamed of yourself blackman ....you really are an idiot ..another christian idiot ...not only does the old testament describe how to punish slaves it actually tells their worth monitarily ...and the new testament implores slaves to be good little slaves so they may too get to heaven, presumably to be slaves for eternity ...I just have to laugh at religious black people who ignore all the immorality of the bible ..I guess you've never read the bible ..you are laughable ..
@laserwolf130 You should be ashamed of your gross ignorance of the Bible and this topic. You are very ignorant of what the Bible says IN CONTEXT, and you clearly have studied no Bible history. The Bible does NOT tell "how" to punish slaves and ONLY slaves, and it does not command people to go out and make them, and it doesn't give "monitary" worth. You grossly misread. And for the record, I can read the Bible in the original Hebrew and Greek. I am not the one who is truly "laughable."
Cant belive i wasted 5 min skipping through your nonsense.
Even if you can find diffrences between slavery in the bible and other slavery doesnt matter. Owning another person is wrong. Killing them with a stick is wrong. (even if they die after 2 days).
Besides... slavery isnt the worst thing about the bible. Just one of many creepy things that imaginary God supposedly condones.
@ThulinMartin Stockholm syndrome my foot. That is just a blanket claim that proves nothing. You simply don't want to admit that the kind of slavery in the passage was SO different from what we think of that the slave might just really love the master and not want to leave. Owning another person is wrong? Tell that to parents who ostensibly "own" their infants.
@CRoadwarrior OK! i agree with you now about the slavery in the bible. Its not exactly like slavery in the old west. What about killing slaves with a stick? You think that is ok? Just as long as the slave doesnt die within 2 days?
@ThulinMartin The text you are referring to I have explained before based on historical and Biblical information. Ex. 21:20 is NOT saying you can beat your slave for no reason almost to death, just as long as he doesn't die in 2 days. It is saying first, that you cannot kill him without punishment. THAT in itself is an advancement compared to other cultures at the time, where you could do practically anything to a slave with NO punishment. So that is a protection for the slave...
@ThulinMartin ....Second, there is the protection for the master...Suppose he beats the slave, but dies later from some other incident. How can we know if it the beating that killed the slave? Some might try to falsely charge the master and say "he beat him days ago." Yet, that slave might have fallen and hit his head on a rock and died by accident, or something else might have killed him. So, the master is protected from false claims of abuse. It makes sense.
@berner So you don't believe in working for a "boss," (master) where your rights are restricted and you cannot do just anything you want? Interesting.
Clicked on this link hoping to find intelligent argument. I gave up after eight minutes having listened to waffle, canned laughter, sundry truncated bible quotations, irrelevances and ill informed personal opinion.
Let me know when you have created a concise, well researched and convincing argument.
@JtheBs Actually, there was intelligent argument and documented and credible historical facts in this series, but apparently your blind unbelief woiiuld not allow you to see them.
@CRoadwarrior You are insanely presumptuous. You don't think that I've read the originals? Seriously? You are cherry picking verses to make it seem as though the bible agrees with you when in fact it does not. You are seriously either diluted, or just stupid. I have no idea which.
@airman122469 No I do not think you've read the originals. I do not believe you can sight read Hebrew and Greek as I do. Seriously. Most do go that far in studying the Bible. I am not cherry picking anything, and if you make the claim then PROVE I am. Simply asserting it doesn't prove it. I've made my points in my videos using context, history, and the original languages. So it is not I who is deluded (correct spelling) or just stupid. LOL.
@airman122469 Now, if you want to play the pretend you know original languages game with me, I have made up basic tests so that I can tell the fakes from the real. You can't "Google" you way and fake knowlege with the tests I can post. So, if you want to go this route, you'll be exposed quickly. So don't come to me with pretense of knowledge of the originals. It's better to be honest and admit ignorance than to get exposed.
@kookoo78 LOL.. I am far from "ugly" as most SANE women will attest, which explains your problem because it appears you are not quite clear thinking, associating with what I call the oxymoronic black atheists.
@davelantor Actually, I can read every passage you posted to you in the original Hebrew and Greek. So it is an insult to my intelligence and hard study work to say to me "you should really read your Bible." Second, EVERY passsage you posted has been ripped out of its historical context and misread, the last one being the worst WAY out of context passage of all. Ironic? NO. Just plain dumb.
@CRoadwarrior So, let me get this straight ... when i quote the bible, without even telling you what i interpreted from the passage, you can say that my interpretation is taken out of context, Do i hear denial ? ... NO ... just plain arrogance.
Could you so kindly describe me in what context is it ok to do any of these actions, which you so gracefully called out of context. Please, provide the proper context since you claim to have read it in original form.
@davelantor LOL. Do you think that you are the first person to ever bring those passages to my attention? Do you really think I have never read them so that I can surmise your misreading of them? LOL. Is it arrogance to know the contexts of passages I've actually studied? I think not. I will be completing the series and dealing with each passage in detail, going into the original when necessary. LOL...talk about arrogance...presuming to know when you really haven't studied.
@davelantor Since I am actually in grad school studying Greek, I don't have time to waste. Stay tuned for my videos on the verses, or just try to read beyond the verses you quoted out of context yourself and MAYBE you won't need my videos. Duchbag? LOOL. Please.
@CRoadwarrior Sureeee ... you dont have time ... ok, well then dont go around telling people thats not the proper context if you have time to argue about the context but can find the time to wrote a ~800 character reply simply stating that you prefer not to tell me the context. Because you know what ... thats the proper context .. just the way you go about reading it, not some devine word game that you must play to make it look ok.
@davelantor You wante to call me an idiot, yet I know the original Hebrew and Greek, and you don't. Ok. You just watch the series and learn, because it's painfully obvious you know little on this topic and even less on civil discourse.
@davelantor Since you obviously don't know what graduate level work is like, I understand why you "LOL" at what you don't know. As I said, watch and learn, or better yet, go and read the info link I posted in the series. Can you read? LOL.
@davelantor No I am not kidding. It's called context to not just look at one verse and think you know all on a topic of Scripture. Sorry, but the twisting is on your side. We untwist things that unbelievers painfully twist by ignoring context and history.
The Bible tells you when and how to get slaves, use them as your personal sextoy, and when and how its ok to kill them. The Bible says in very blunt terms that owning another person is all right and acceptable. If you cant see that you are wilfully blind.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
@dvholston The word "MAY" does mean MUST, and it does not mean an imperative command. It also is qualifed by other passages like Ex. 21:26,27 and Deut. 23:15,16, and Deut. 15:15. Lev. 25:44-46 is NOT the be all and end all on the topic. CONTEXT.
man , epic fail dude, God better line up some better defenders because you are doing a terrible job. If you are trying to win over people who are on the fence or the opposite side of the issue, you better try another approach.
@shreddez Really? Is that why I have almost 1,000 subs and over 180,000 upload views, because of some alleged "epic fail" and my approach and defense being so "terrible"?? LOL. Give me a serious brake. Your views are simply your uneducated and clearly biased and meaningless opinion with no basis in any facts. Yours is the epic FAIL.
@CRoadwarrior How are you going to call someone uneducated using "brake" instead of "break" and "your" instead of "you're"? Have you read these parts of the bible: Luke 12:47-48, Ephesians 6:5 or 1 Timothy 6:1-2. And then you are sitting up there with a shirt on that says PROPERTY OF JESUS...nigga you are still a slave..a corny, unattractive slave
@kookoo78 IF I ever used the wrong words as you claim, then it was a mistake, something called a typo. We all do that. I do know the difference between the possessive "your" and the contraction "you're." Thank you very much. Yes, I have read the passages you bring up, and I can read them to you in the original Greek. Now if you want to remain ignorant of Gospel truth, then remain so. If you want to learn something, I can help you. But "nigga" is ignorant, and "corny" is opinion...
You're forgetting Exodus is about your god's favored people. Your entire argument is based around him not trying to enslave his chosen people. Good job.
@dkravendeath And you are forgetting that the text does not apply to ONLY the chosen people, as God Himself constantly reminded His "chosen" people (Exodus 20:10; Deut 24:14-18; 23:15,16). Good job of ignoring Scripture.
CRW, You are so DUMB!!! Read "THE ISIS PAPERS" by Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. You are so dumb. Get your facts right. Study history. Roman history. All history. Outside the bible. The world is way older than 6000 years old. So go figure. You are the worst type of slave. Mental slavery!!! Best to wake up son!!
@abbafather2222 LOL...Read it years ago, and it is asinine nonsense. It is entirely hypocritical to come at me with "get your facts right" when Welsing didn't, and neither did you. The Bible doesn't say how old the world is, and that "fact" you should have known. I am far from a "slave." I am free by the blood of Christ both in mind and spirit.
@BogusJesus First of all, referring to me with the "N" word is beyond ignorant. Second, , I am far from "dumb" as I am credibly educated and working on my THIRD degree. So you need to check yourself, because you have already wrecked yourself with asinine comments.
Exodus has been shown to be 100% inaccurate. There were never Hebrews living Egypt. If you ignore all scholarly sources and assume Exodus is true, it does not help your case as the bible ONLY disapproves of Hebrews as slaves - all others can be slaves. The original greek word used was not slavery or servant (english) - the word used was doulos - which means chattle slaves - without rights - slaves, not servants. It is past time for you to read the real bible, not the english version.
@g24417 That kind of ignorance-based comment proves just how little truly scholarly sources you have actually read. To say that Exodus has been shown to be "100% inaccurate" is absolute, unqualified, unequivocal nonsense. Go read "Is the Bible True? by Jeffrey Sheler and get some facts first, and maybe we can talk. And since I can actually sight read both the original Hebrew and Greek of the Bible, you might want to check your assumptions at the door of your web browser....
@CRoadwarrior "even though I cannot make a convincing case for it based on hard historical data." -Jeffery Sheler "Is the Bible True?". So uh - WTF. First you suggest a book that is 15 years out of date, then you ignore the authors bias, then you ignore his lack of qualifications, then you insist it can do something it can't (support your argument with evidence), then I am suppose to ignore YOUR ignorance because you can read hebrew, and you call that scholarship. I call it a disgrace.
@g24417 LOL...An alleged quote from Sheler that probably has nothing to do with my point and ignores ALL the evidence presented in the book. Please. What page did that alleged quote come from. I have the book right here. Give me the page number. The book is not out of date because it's old; the facts stand to this date. Arguing author bias is a genetic fallacy (i.e. consider the source), and you ignore the qualifications of those he quoted. The disgrace is yours, not mine.
“All of this of course, hardly amounts to proof that the biblical patriarchs ever truly walked the earth or that the dramatic Bible stories about the origins of Israel are good history. But the circumstantial evidence argues strongly for the plausibility. The patriarch narratives fit comfortably in the historic context that modern archaeology has help to reconstruct.”
--Jeffery Sheler
This is another lie or incompetent blunder, following . . .
@g24417 Sorry, but posting alleged quotes from a book you clearly have not read without posting the page numbers does not convince me. This is especially true when you only make blanket claims against what his research shows, without providing scholarly counterevidence from any credible source.
“The archaeological evidence of the largely indigenous origins of Israel is overwhelming, and leaves no room for an Exodus from Egypt or a 40-year pilgrimage through the Sinai wilderness. For this reason, most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as a fruitless pursuit."
@g24417 Since Dever appears to be evangelical, it hardly makes sense that he would make such a foolish remark in light of the evidence I've seen. So this is either a misquote, a false quote, or his ignorance. But since you posted no sources to check, conveniently, it is hard to tell. Anyway, you are blocked for 24 hours for violating my posting rules. If you want to post checkable sources after I remove the ban, you may do so. Otherwise, you have nothing for me.
“The fact is that we are all minimalists -- at least, when it comes to the patriarchal period and the settlement. When I began my PhD studies more than three decades ago in the USA, the 'substantial historicity' of the patriarchs was widely accepted as was the unified conquest of the land. These days it is quite difficult to find anyone who takes this view.”
@g24417 Quoting without referencing bibliographic information liberal "scholars" against those who are more conservative is not going to work. You haven't read Sheler. You are quote mining from web sources, which explains why you can't provide checkable source information. LOL...This is child's play. If you can't give CHECKABLE source information, don't bother posting again after I release the ban.
@g24417 ....And another thing...what credible Greek sources told you that "doulos" means "chattle slaves...without rights." Oh really? My Complete Word Study Dictionary by noted and late native Greek scholar, Dr. Spiros Zodhiates, says otherwise. So what you need to do is stop pretending to know Greek and start learning some credible facts in the language and the usage of "doulos." It does NOT mean "chattle slavery" and it has broad range, including servants.
@1TryThinking That statement is beyond ignorant. First of all, the Bible is an Eastern product, not western. Second, Christianity was in Africa, more specifically Ethiopia, long before the "captors" came (Acts 8:26-39). So please go do some basic research on a topic before making false claims.
@saxman78102 Ok, so a job, which is a form of slavery and servitude, is still slavery and thus immoral also based on that argumentation. As an employee, your rights are restricted. You can't do or say what you want as you may want on a job. Yet that form of slavery is deemed ok. So no, slavery is not still slavery no matter how "benevolent" it may be. There are valid forms of it, but we have learned to abhor the word and have associated immorality to it no matter what. That is a fallacy.
Exodus21:20-21"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property."
@insanewarlock666 LOL...So what? My point still stands, and if you read even further, you might have learned that unlike other cultures, ancient Israel had rules that allowed slaves to be FREED based on mistreatment, such as Ex. 21:26,27, where a slave could be freed for having his tooth knocked out or having an eye mutilated. Go do some homework and then LOL.
@mjduke27 Evolution, as Dr. Mike Denton (MD and microbiologist) has put it, "is still, as it was in Darwin's time, a highly speculative hypothesis entirely without direct factual support and very far from the self-evident axiom some of its more aggressive advocates would have us believe" (Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, p. 77). So no, I don't accept evolution as absolute fact. Dinos were real, but so what? They don't disprove God.
@R0YB0T "Let my people go" and Ex. 21:26,27 and Deut. 23:15,16 does not sound like "ok" with slavery to me. But hey, if you want to ignore some passages and focus on what you don't understand, that's fine. But ignoring facts will not get rid of them.
um..bible does Support slavery show me a verse saying slavery is bad. you will find no such thing.
also I'm a Christian,but not so much anymore.
also ever ask your self... how come majority of the Founding Fathers who created the Untied States were NOT Christian and it took a Atheist to END Slavery.
@Dogmeat1950 No, the Bible does not support the kind of slavery you are thinking of. Ex. 5:1 and other passages make that clear. And I don't know where you're getting your misinformation, but the majority of the the Founders were either Christian or deist, but deists got their beliefs from the Judeo-Christian Bible which does not support deism. And it was the CHRISTIAN William Wilbeforce who was at the forefront of ending slavery along with other churchmen.
@CRoadwarrior Abraham Lincoln ended Slavery, even though the war had little to do with it. and he was not a Christian.
Thomas Jefferson,Thomas Pain,Benjermen Franklin, Joel Barlow,Washington did not Believe in the bible, he did Believe in a high power though. there are several other top Founding Fathers who were not Christian.
@Dogmeat1950 What sources are giving you this false info on the Founders? Lincoln not a Christian? Washington not a Christian? You must be joking or ignorant. Sure, some were deistic in belief, but even deists got their deism from the BIBLE (they distorted), which is not deistic but Judeo-Christian.
@CRoadwarrior well Lincoln was a Christian, sorry was late when I typed that in but the others where not, Washington was a Deist he believed. in a god, but not in Jesus or the Bible.
,Benjermen Franklin, wrote down that he finds a lighthouse far more useful then a Church, Thomas Jefferson wrote his own Version of the bible and took out anything that might of made Jesus look like some sort of god/magical person.
@Dogmeat1950 Washington was NOT a deist. Do some research on his personal prayers. NO deist would have prayed like he did because they do not believe their god intervenes. Sorry, you are grossly misinformed. Jefferson was a deist and a bad one, that I admit. Franklin was on the heretical side, but I would not call him a deist. I suggest you read "Faith of Our Founding Fathers" by Tim LaHaye. It will open your eyes.
@CRoadwarrior From what I've seen bud most of the founding fathers were Deists, with very few Christians(and even fewer atheists).
I disagree with you about the issue of slavery here. The bible clearly tells us who can be bought and sold, how much to pay for slaves, and how to trick them into serving you forever. It may not have been the slavery that was seen in the 17-19 centuries, but I don't see much evidence that it wasn't.
@jesuriah Sorry, but what you've "seen" is misinformation. Most of them were not deists. And deists got their theological ideas from the Judeo-Christian Bible, which does NOT truly teach deism. You can disagree with my view on slavery, but on what basis? My view is based on credible sources and historical facts that I document in the series. You simply do not understand the passages you read, and you ignore the freedom clauses all throughout.
@CRoadwarrior You are incredibly stupid. I honestly do not understand how someone can read the bible and NOT get the fact that it clearly supports slavery. Wilberforce, like about 95% of everyone in Britain, was a christian. Just because he was a christian, and other christians decided that slavery is wrong, does not change what your bible actually says you ignorant buffoon.
@airman122469 Really now? I'm am what? So, I've learned Bible Hebrew and Greek and can read the original of what you can only read in English translation, but I'm what? ROFL. Go and do some research on WHY ministers and others wrote BACK THEN that slavery was not supported by the Bible: Rev. Theodore D. Weld, The Bible Against Slavery (1837). After you've done some credible research, learn who the true "ignorant buffoon" is. LOOL...gotta be kidding me.
@gunblade64 No, it's not just about Ex. 21:5. It's about seeing the facts from a cultural and historical perspective and not making snap judgments out of ignorance. Obviously, if slaves could talk about truly loving their masters and not wanting to desolve the slave/master relationship, then it follows that the kind of slavery at that time involved a familial treatment that our Western culture has not seen. But I have provided in my series resources to research these things. Do the homework.
CRoadwarrior 3 months ago
What a waste of 10 minutes. You made no argument whatsoever. Slavery is quite clearly outlined in the bible. Multiple places.
csadler 3 months ago
@csadler You are making snap judgments based on watching one video in a SERIES, and on your flawed assumptions. Slavery is mentioned in the Bible, but so is ABOLITION of it. There is an entire book of the Bible called "Exodus" which is about the slaves being set FREE. Do more than superficial and biased research.
CRoadwarrior 3 months ago
@CRoadwarrior Only certain slave (the chosen) are set free. Colossians 3, Deuteronomy 21, Exodus 21 (Buy and Sell). Further there are rules on how to beat your slaves.
Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
The bible is wicked. Numbers 31. Baby boys put to the bronze sword but their virgin sisters kept as slaves. There is NO context that could make this ok, and nor could this be the mind of a god.
csadler 3 months ago
@csadler Nonesense. The Exodus story has applicability beyond "the chosen" as the text itself says. The rules are NOT about how to beat your slaves. Do some basic research. It's about rules to RESTRICT beatings, whereas other cultures surrounding Israel could do almost anything to slaves without restriction. Israel was told by God NOT to return runaways slaves to masters and to allow them freedom (Deut. 23:15,16). What was that all about? No, your perception is wicked.
CRoadwarrior 3 months ago
@csadler And, I might add, the original Hebrew of Num. 31 does not indicate any "baby boys" being put to any sword. Again, you lack basic research and understanding. And where does the text say the virgin women were kept "as slaves"? You are doing what is called eisegesis, reading INTO the text what's not there. But careful thinkers and honest people need to do exegesis, taking out of the text what IS there. So not only did you ignore context but facts as well.
CRoadwarrior 3 months ago
@CRoadwarrior I guess KJ got it wrong?
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known man by lying with him.
But all the young girls, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
So please under what *context* is killing the male little ones ok - EVER.
csadler 3 months ago
@csadler Yes, KJ got it wrong, as many English translations tend to do. Read the context of the very first verse of the passage you yourself brought up. Let's see if you can read and understand basic English.
CRoadwarrior 3 months ago
The bible is quite clear on this. BUY - SELL from Exodus and further Deuteronomy 21
21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
csadler 3 months ago
@csadler You clearly are mistaken and ignore literary and cultural context. Deut. 21 is speaking of prisoners of war, and having WIVES from those who were captured.
CRoadwarrior 3 months ago
Warrior you a champion mate, luv ya!!!. Praise God for you mate :)
shakinahstorm 4 months ago
@shakinahstorm Thanks.
CRoadwarrior 3 months ago
This guy is a poe, right? I mean either that or he's the most tragic houseslave i've ever seen.
EntinludeX 6 months ago
@EntinludeX What nonsense are you talking about? At least I understand what Scripture SAYS in context and historical facts. You should learn how to study issues instead of ad hominem attack those who have.
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
Did you know that fish symbol on your shirt actually stands for a pagan fish wannabe god Dagon.
Retro80Lady30 6 months ago
@Retro80Lady30 No. Who in the world told you that? What source made that ridiculous claim?
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
why did you read the 5th verse of exodus out of context? you left out the part where it would tear down your own argument?
it actually talked about jews enslaving other jews, and that only jews cannot be held permanently (others can),and that and if you give your jewish slave a wife and children, they stay with the master after the release date. If the jewish man says he loves his master, wife, and children the master can make him a permanent slave, by putting a awl(needle) through his ear
Netruic 7 months ago
@Netruic I did NOT read the verse out of context. I emphasized part of the verse to make a pertinent point. That is not taking it out of context. Learn the meaning of terms. You also ignore the rest of the Bible, which clearly says that slaves can be freed for injury (Ex. 21:26,27), and that runaway slaves were NOT to be returned to their masters, which OBVIOUSLY fostered freedom (Deut. 23:15,16). So, the Bible read properly and in context does NOT "support" slavery.
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
@CRoadwarrior You do realize that both of those are rules for regulating slavery (not condemning it) and the mere fact that they are there does mean that the bible supports slavery. So could you please read me Leviticus 25:44-46 and Exodus 21:20-21 those passages are pretty clear.
Strop trying to make excuses for this barbaric stone age book that has only hindered the progress of mankind, if we are to progress in this world we must do it ourselves, not by an imaginary god created by barbaric men
Netruic 6 months ago
@Netruic No, you are absolutely wrong. First of all, Ex. 5:1 clearly condemns the form of slavery being used against Israel. No vaild argument against that. Deut. 23:15,16 stands as another clear condemnation. YOU stop ignoring what the whole Bible says desperately trying to hold on to your misconceptions and taking ONE passage, out of context, and making it the end all and be all. Sorry, that is nonsense.
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
@CRoadwarrior Ex. 5:1 has god saying to pharaoh to let his people go, how does that condemn the institution of slavery? It merely states you may not enslave these certain people.
And Deut. 23:15 is setting guidelines for it, if it really wanted to condemn it, it would command the masters "YOU SHALL NOT OWN ANOTHER HUMAN BEING" but instead it says who you can enslave, how hard you can beat them, and how to identify them by driving a nail through their ear.
Doesn't sound like it condemns it to me
Netruic 6 months ago
@Netruic NO, the text is abolitionist at the core and was even used by my ancestors to justify the new "Pharoah" to let them go. Sorry, but you simply want to argue against basic facts gleaned from the text. And you TOTALLY misread Deut. 23:15,16, which is a clear abolitionist text that desolves the institution. To promote the institution, you tell the slave to GO BACK to the master, and yet God tells Israel NOT to send them back. Why? Because Israel herself was a runaway slave.
CRoadwarrior 3 months ago
This guy cannot be serious.
BBP081 7 months ago
Even if you Do NOT like it, the bible SUPPORTS SLAVERY!
flightkiller09 7 months ago
@flightkiller09 Not according to accurate knowledge of the Bible and history.
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
@CRoadwarrior The Bible is VERY CLEAR on Slavery! No Need for Interpretation or Pretense!
flightkiller09 6 months ago
@flightkiller09 And the Bible is even MORE clear in its CONDEMNATION of slavery (Ex. 5:1; 21:26,27;Deut. 23:15,16). Every document requires interpretation - accurate and correct interpretation, that is. What you and others talk is irrational, out-of-context nonsense.
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
@CRoadwarrior Exactly, part of the BIBLE says It's OK, while other Part is not--which COUNT as COTRADICTION. BTW: deutoromy THOUGHT like A SERIAL KILLER, not a good example of MORALITY. Go Ahead read IT!
flightkiller09 6 months ago
@flightkiller09 Exactly nothing. Again, your misunderstanding and ignorance here is staggering. The Bible is not speaking of chattle slavery of the babaric kind when it ALLOWS it. That's indentured servitude, which is STILL going on today, only we call it a JOB. The slavery that was condemned was the harsh kind Egypt enacted, which prompted Yah to say "let my people go." God was the FIRST abolitionist. So please, take that stupid, ignorant, out-of-context nonsense somewhere else.
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
@flightkiller09 And as for reading it, I can read it in the original Hebrew. Can you?
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
10 minutes of blabbering. the way god puts it in the bible, people own other people. you know that's wrong. it doesn't matter how you rationalize or interpret it differently, god saw people in the bible being treated as property, and said "you can beat them as long as they don't die" and "their children are also your slaves". god plainly says those things in the bible. imagine yourself being the first person to read the bible, and you see that. are you going to tell me you would think it's fine?
revolucion04 8 months ago
@revolucion04 Again, learn to study history, facts and to keep things IN CONTEXT. You don't even understand what you read due to ignorance, and yet you want to make silly arguments FROM your ignorance. Do some simple research and THEN talk.
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
I love the fact that videos such as this exist on YouTube. It just makes me more and more certain every day that there is no god. Also, it's apparent that you love to hear yourself talk, with your stupid laugh and condescending tone. Congratulations "Warrior", you have officially been brainwashed. I hope that one day you will wake up.
WesRadioShow 8 months ago
You can say what you want to say, but they used to use that same Bible to endorse slavery. It's all how you read it and interpret it. And, EVERYBODY thinks that THEY have the correct interpretation. Don't they?!!? Just like they are using the Bible against gays and lesbians now. If you are a homophobe (and full of hate towards gays), then you will see the Bible as a Book that condemns gays (as many do). So, it depends on HOW you see the Bible (and YOUR life experiences) how you will interpret it
David8024667 8 months ago
@David8024667 And what I say is based on ACCURATE knowledge of history and the issues, and sound hermeneutics, something that most who argue this issue don't have a clue how to do. Everyone can THINK they have the correct interpretation, but hermeneutics proves otherwise. There is a RIGHT way to interpret literature, and a WRONG way. Sadly, too many people think that ignorance is bliss when it comes to understainding the Bible. It's not.
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
@TonDogWayner I can actually "read it" in the original Hebrew. lol. You read Exodus 21:26,27 and Deut. 23:15,16.
CRoadwarrior 8 months ago
Comment pending approval=common, weak, cowardly fool who can't stand criticism. What a pathetic moron.
TheThordir 9 months ago
@TheThordir Can you make any more asinine and ridiculous comments based on assumption and speculation? LOL.
CRoadwarrior 8 months ago
Is this satire?
offwithurhead 9 months ago
I deny the holy spirit because he promotes slavery!
footballunleashed 9 months ago
@footballunleashed Nonsense. I fail to see how the words "let my people go [from slavery]" promotes slavery. Ex. 5:1
CRoadwarrior 3 months ago
You literally went 2 minutes without saying ANYTHING. What's up with that?
soulriter 10 months ago
@soulriter That is a nonsense claim. I did say something. You may not have liked it or got the point, but that's different from your factless claim.
CRoadwarrior 3 months ago
Well, I am not an Atheist, but I think it unrealistic to think that the bible does not condone slavery of the Kunta Kente type. kunte accepted the name Toby to avoid being further punished. This is also why many slaves would say "that they love their masters. When the Bible says slave( it means a person owned by another person) Slaves often received less rights than cattle. They were property. you could beat a biblical slave just like u c in the photos of ur own ancestors of the slave days!
slybear525 10 months ago
@slybear525 You see, since I have actually done Bible research, I can tell you that your claims are based in ignorance. The reason why the slave was saying he loved his master had NOTHING to do with punishment. Show me that IN THE TEXT. And no, the Bible does not mean "a person owned by another" when it uses the term slave, and they did have more rights than cattle. You could not beat a slave in any way and get away with it, and if you killed one you were punished (Ex. 21:21, 26,27).
CRoadwarrior 3 months ago
@AllGoodInThePNW From your prior comments, it seems you didn't know those facts and that history. Misuse of the Bible does not justify NON use of it. Most of our present laws are based on the Bible or Biblical principles, whether you know or accept that fact or not. The alleged "separation of Church and State" is a catch-phrase but it does not exist in reality.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo LOL. That's funny. Who said I defended slavery? You grossly misunderstand my point. I defend the truth, and that truth is that God NEVER ordered or ordained slavery. The Bible never enslaved anyone. People misused the Bible. Do some basic research on the many Christian ministers during the time of slavery who said some of the exact same things I'm saying now: Rev. Theodore D. Weld, The Bible Against Slavery (1837).
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
main, you suck as a commediant, your jokes don't make anyone laugh and your recorded laughs are just annoying. You are black african origin, the church you now defend determined at that time that black people did not have a human soul, so that is the justification for black slaves, same as owning animals. So you don't need to look at the bible for justifications of slavery as the bible talks about human slaves.
donnomar 10 months ago
@donnomar First of all, you don't know many facts because a) many say my jokes make them laugh although I am NOT trying to be a comedian (correct spelling). b) you are mistaken about the church because ALL the church did not fall for that "no soul" nonsense, c) talking about human slaves is not the same as advocating and commanding it. Go do some basic research, or better yet, stat tuned to my well researched and documented videos.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
we who love GOD know that we are his slaves but we know HE is a loving master
his commandments are for OUR benefit
athiests want to be free to do what they think is for thier benefit
man is incapable of self determination as the record shows
stephen22564 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo No, I have Regeneration Syndrome. Been there, done that with Islam, and I've written several articles on the false claims of the religion. Islam will wither as all false religions do in time. You deal with it.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@gunblade64 Because you have shown no evidence that you know Biblical Hebrew, and most people don't. I have done my homework. I will leave it at that.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo ....All started by a false prophet who combined credible and not so credible sources to make up the Koran and make up his false religion, and then "convert" with the sword instead of the truth of his convictions. Christianity dying? Hardly. You're living in a dream world, Neo....LOL.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo I've studied Islam as well, along with other religions and cult groups. Islam will slow down, because ultimately it is a copycat religion based on a book that was written hundreds of years after all the eyewitnesses to Jesus and the Gospels were dead. And yet it pretends to know the truth about Jesus better than the Gospels. That is a joke. That makes "more sense"? By what logic? Yeah, Islam is much better, suicide bombers, terrorist attacks,....
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo ...Not to treat others the way they were treated in Egypt (Deut. 24:14-18). Gentiles were allowed and encouraged to celebrate REST days and feast days with Jews (Deut. 16; Deut. 5:15), and that does not sound like "hell on earth" to me or any other rational people. Sorry, but you just do not know the Bible on any holistic level. All you know are cherry picked, out of context passages that seem to say what you think. That is true propaganda.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo Wow, talk about grand arrogance. I am highly educated, especially in the Bible, and it is quite clear you are not. Jewish slaves, despite your "crayons," did not have it easy. Ex. 21:26,27 applies to Gentile slaves, so they DID get to be free under certain conditions. They could also run away to Israel and be FREE (Deut. 23:15,16). And no, the Bible does NOT say you could make their life a living hell. It says the opposite, as God constantly tells Israel to remember...
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo LOL...yeah, you'll like them better until one comes around you with a bombpack attached to his waist yelling "Allah akbar"....better think again.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo And please, I don't want to hear anything about class here. I have taken the time to learn and study what the Bible says, to learn the original languages of the Bible so that I understand it better. So I would think I know a little something more accurately about it than the average "joe" on Youtube. I have plenty of "class" and I go to graduate class to learn truth and learn it well. And no one tells me what to do on my pages. I respond as I see fit, or not.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo I believe that all servitude is not bad. I never said "slavery is good." Don't put words on my browser in my mouth. There are many forms of slavery, and there are good and bad kids. God forgid the bad, abusive kind and clearly said ("let my people go") and then told His people how NOT to treat others in the same manner repeatedly. I am 44 years old, and I've studied the Bible in detail. I am not arrogant and rude. I speak the truth and if you can't handle that, so be it.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
u can't handle the Truth!, your religion condoned slavery,you can deny all you want,but it did
laapache1 10 months ago
@laapache1 No, I can handle the ACCURATE and IN CONTEXT truth just fine. What I don't like and can't stand is when people come to me with such gross ignorance of Scripture and history, and try to tell me what my Scriptures say, all the while ripping passages out of literary and historical context all over the place. That is insanity and stupidity. My "religion" did not condone slavery. All the while, Christian ministers were fighting the institution in America and Great Britain.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo The passage you refer to that you've done no research on is concerned with two rights. The right of the master to punish wrongdoing, and the right of the slave to not be killed by the master while punished. If the slave does not die immediately from the punishment, but dies later, then we have no real basis to PROVE that it was the master's beating that caused death. He could have fallen and hit his head on a rock, or whatever. Do some research. I've provided sources.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo Yeah, I know I'm right. You just made that up...lol. You could beat a non-slave too, so what's your point? Wrongdoing was indeed punishable in the Bible, and even to this day. Duh! The passage is not advocating cruelty. The passage is not saying if the slave dies the third day it's "ok" "because" the slave is property. All slavery is not wrong. A job is a form of slavery where your rights are restricted. Yet that's is considered acceptable servitude.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo No, the Bible does not "condone" slavery. Does "let my people go" sound like condoning? Does Ex. 21:26,27 sound like condoning? Does Deut. 23:15,16 where runaway slaves were NOT to be sent back to their masters sound like condoning? Sorry, you are gravely mistaken due to ignorance of Scripture, and Muslims are far worse than Christians (read their history) so that comment is insane.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior the bible does condone slaver. it tell how where toaquire slaves how to treat etc
laapache1 10 months ago
@laapache1 You are wrong. It says how to treat the RIGHT, and gives them rights other societies did not give them, such as the right to FREEDOM with Israel after running away (Deut. 23:15,16), and the right to FREEDOM if abused (Ex. 21:26,27). So don't tell me with your ignorance what the Bible condones because you don't know what it says IN CONTEXT.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo That text does NOT say you can kill a gentile slave. You are doing eisegesis, reading INTO the text, not exegesis, reading out of the text.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo Lev. 25:44-46 is not the last word. You forget Ex. 21:26,27 and especially Deut. 23:15,16, where runaways slaves were allowed freedom and were NOT to be returned to masters. Lev. is qualified by the context of other passages on the topic.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@AllGoodInThePNW The "kind" where it saves your life and gets you out of debt (Gen. 47:19-25). Just because people have misused Bible passages in the past, that does not prove a thing. So what? Read Rev. Theodore D. Weld, The Bible Against Slavery (1837). It's available free online. Even back then, people pointed out the mistakes that were being made to support the American slave trade. Learn the facts.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@eoriol1955 It is a disgrace that you would dare to even come at me with such nonsensical and asinine rhetoric. You should be ashamed of yourself. I come bringing Biblical scholarship and historical facts, and you come with vitriol and ignorance, AND you have the nerve to be related to me by genetics and ethnicity. You take that crazy nonsense to the block zone...where all you can do is watch my videos and can't say a word.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@steelbrushtattoo And you can take Ps. 14:1 out of context and make it seem as if the Bible is for atheism, but so what? Go and read The Bible Against Slavery (1837) by Rev. Theodore D. Weld, and learn the fact that even back then, ministers were arguing that people misused the Bible to support slavery. You seem to either be ignorant of or have ignored all the passages that speak to FREEING slaves, such as for abuse (Ex. 21:26,27), and after a certain time (Ex. 21:2).
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
People(morons) can rationalize anything.
debunkingdebunkers 10 months ago
@debunkingdebunkers There is a vast difference between rationalizing and understanding what's going on in historical context.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior Unfortunately the bible doesn't have any supporting evidence of the outlandish stories to even be considered historical content.
debunkingdebunkers 10 months ago
@debunkingdebunkers Nonsense. You have done no credible research on this, and I know this because if you did, you would not have made such an outlandish claim. Do some basic research. I recommend the book "Is the Bible True?" by Jeffery Sheler. Start there and get back to me.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
yeah i wanna watch your video, but your fake laughter is just so uber-smug that i dont wanna watch it. is there any way you can redo this video in a more serious manner?
stephenzevon 10 months ago
Wow.....the person who said it took an atheist to end slavery is completely wrong...Lincoln was one of the many presidents who asked for a national day of prayer... Clearly can be proven
Goodtimes1333 10 months ago
@Goodtimes1333 that was politics link didn't buy christianty
laapache1 10 months ago
you should be ashamed of yourself blackman ....you really are an idiot ..another christian idiot ...not only does the old testament describe how to punish slaves it actually tells their worth monitarily ...and the new testament implores slaves to be good little slaves so they may too get to heaven, presumably to be slaves for eternity ...I just have to laugh at religious black people who ignore all the immorality of the bible ..I guess you've never read the bible ..you are laughable ..
laserwolf130 10 months ago
@laserwolf130 You should be ashamed of your gross ignorance of the Bible and this topic. You are very ignorant of what the Bible says IN CONTEXT, and you clearly have studied no Bible history. The Bible does NOT tell "how" to punish slaves and ONLY slaves, and it does not command people to go out and make them, and it doesn't give "monitary" worth. You grossly misread. And for the record, I can read the Bible in the original Hebrew and Greek. I am not the one who is truly "laughable."
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
Stockholm syndrome is well known.
Cant belive i wasted 5 min skipping through your nonsense.
Even if you can find diffrences between slavery in the bible and other slavery doesnt matter. Owning another person is wrong. Killing them with a stick is wrong. (even if they die after 2 days).
Besides... slavery isnt the worst thing about the bible. Just one of many creepy things that imaginary God supposedly condones.
ThulinMartin 10 months ago
@ThulinMartin Stockholm syndrome my foot. That is just a blanket claim that proves nothing. You simply don't want to admit that the kind of slavery in the passage was SO different from what we think of that the slave might just really love the master and not want to leave. Owning another person is wrong? Tell that to parents who ostensibly "own" their infants.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior OK! i agree with you now about the slavery in the bible. Its not exactly like slavery in the old west. What about killing slaves with a stick? You think that is ok? Just as long as the slave doesnt die within 2 days?
ThulinMartin 10 months ago
@ThulinMartin The text you are referring to I have explained before based on historical and Biblical information. Ex. 21:20 is NOT saying you can beat your slave for no reason almost to death, just as long as he doesn't die in 2 days. It is saying first, that you cannot kill him without punishment. THAT in itself is an advancement compared to other cultures at the time, where you could do practically anything to a slave with NO punishment. So that is a protection for the slave...
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@ThulinMartin ....Second, there is the protection for the master...Suppose he beats the slave, but dies later from some other incident. How can we know if it the beating that killed the slave? Some might try to falsely charge the master and say "he beat him days ago." Yet, that slave might have fallen and hit his head on a rock and died by accident, or something else might have killed him. So, the master is protected from false claims of abuse. It makes sense.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
I don't support slavery of any kind. Biblical or otherwise.
berner 10 months ago
@berner So you don't believe in working for a "boss," (master) where your rights are restricted and you cannot do just anything you want? Interesting.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
Clicked on this link hoping to find intelligent argument. I gave up after eight minutes having listened to waffle, canned laughter, sundry truncated bible quotations, irrelevances and ill informed personal opinion.
Let me know when you have created a concise, well researched and convincing argument.
JtheBs 10 months ago
@JtheBs Actually, there was intelligent argument and documented and credible historical facts in this series, but apparently your blind unbelief woiiuld not allow you to see them.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior You are insanely presumptuous. You don't think that I've read the originals? Seriously? You are cherry picking verses to make it seem as though the bible agrees with you when in fact it does not. You are seriously either diluted, or just stupid. I have no idea which.
airman122469 10 months ago
@airman122469 No I do not think you've read the originals. I do not believe you can sight read Hebrew and Greek as I do. Seriously. Most do go that far in studying the Bible. I am not cherry picking anything, and if you make the claim then PROVE I am. Simply asserting it doesn't prove it. I've made my points in my videos using context, history, and the original languages. So it is not I who is deluded (correct spelling) or just stupid. LOL.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@airman122469 Now, if you want to play the pretend you know original languages game with me, I have made up basic tests so that I can tell the fakes from the real. You can't "Google" you way and fake knowlege with the tests I can post. So, if you want to go this route, you'll be exposed quickly. So don't come to me with pretense of knowledge of the originals. It's better to be honest and admit ignorance than to get exposed.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
I smiled at first when I saw this and thought it was fairly brilliant.. then it occurred to me that this might not be a joke =( how sad
midgety1 11 months ago
Nigga shut your ugly ass up!!!
kookoo78 11 months ago
@kookoo78 LOL.. I am far from "ugly" as most SANE women will attest, which explains your problem because it appears you are not quite clear thinking, associating with what I call the oxymoronic black atheists.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
You should really read your bible.
Leviticus 25:44-46
Exodus 21:2-6
Exodus 21:7-11
Exodus 21:20-21
Ephesians 6:5
Timothy 6:1-2
Luke 12:47-48
IRONY ? .. indeed
davelantor 11 months ago
@davelantor Actually, I can read every passage you posted to you in the original Hebrew and Greek. So it is an insult to my intelligence and hard study work to say to me "you should really read your Bible." Second, EVERY passsage you posted has been ripped out of its historical context and misread, the last one being the worst WAY out of context passage of all. Ironic? NO. Just plain dumb.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior So, let me get this straight ... when i quote the bible, without even telling you what i interpreted from the passage, you can say that my interpretation is taken out of context, Do i hear denial ? ... NO ... just plain arrogance.
Could you so kindly describe me in what context is it ok to do any of these actions, which you so gracefully called out of context. Please, provide the proper context since you claim to have read it in original form.
Or will you prefer to avoid it ? LOL
davelantor 10 months ago
@davelantor LOL. Do you think that you are the first person to ever bring those passages to my attention? Do you really think I have never read them so that I can surmise your misreading of them? LOL. Is it arrogance to know the contexts of passages I've actually studied? I think not. I will be completing the series and dealing with each passage in detail, going into the original when necessary. LOL...talk about arrogance...presuming to know when you really haven't studied.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior I still haven't gotten the "proper" context ... what now .. you prefer to avoid answering it ?
LOL, you wouldn't be the first.
Please, since you claim these passages has been brought to your attention several times, i am sure you can give the proper context ...
Rather then looking like a duchbag that accuses others of arrogance ... LOL
davelantor 10 months ago
@davelantor Since I am actually in grad school studying Greek, I don't have time to waste. Stay tuned for my videos on the verses, or just try to read beyond the verses you quoted out of context yourself and MAYBE you won't need my videos. Duchbag? LOOL. Please.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior Sureeee ... you dont have time ... ok, well then dont go around telling people thats not the proper context if you have time to argue about the context but can find the time to wrote a ~800 character reply simply stating that you prefer not to tell me the context. Because you know what ... thats the proper context .. just the way you go about reading it, not some devine word game that you must play to make it look ok.
LOL, you are a joke.
"dont have time" yeh i see, lol .... idiot.
davelantor 10 months ago
@davelantor You wante to call me an idiot, yet I know the original Hebrew and Greek, and you don't. Ok. You just watch the series and learn, because it's painfully obvious you know little on this topic and even less on civil discourse.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@davelantor Since you obviously don't know what graduate level work is like, I understand why you "LOL" at what you don't know. As I said, watch and learn, or better yet, go and read the info link I posted in the series. Can you read? LOL.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior ALSO "read beyond the verses" ... you are kidding right ?
Thats like saying "Just ignore what its saying, consider it what feels right to you".
No wonder you are a Christian, you get to twist the bible how ever you want, by reading "beyond the verses".
davelantor 10 months ago
@davelantor No I am not kidding. It's called context to not just look at one verse and think you know all on a topic of Scripture. Sorry, but the twisting is on your side. We untwist things that unbelievers painfully twist by ignoring context and history.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
The Bible does NOT endorse, condone or supports slavery???
Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT
Exodus 21:2-11 NLT
And even Jesus said, Slaves, obey your masters.
The Bible tells you when and how to get slaves, use them as your personal sextoy, and when and how its ok to kill them. The Bible says in very blunt terms that owning another person is all right and acceptable. If you cant see that you are wilfully blind.
kentekent 11 months ago
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
What does this mean?
dvholston 1 year ago
@dvholston The word "MAY" does mean MUST, and it does not mean an imperative command. It also is qualifed by other passages like Ex. 21:26,27 and Deut. 23:15,16, and Deut. 15:15. Lev. 25:44-46 is NOT the be all and end all on the topic. CONTEXT.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
man , epic fail dude, God better line up some better defenders because you are doing a terrible job. If you are trying to win over people who are on the fence or the opposite side of the issue, you better try another approach.
shreddez 1 year ago
@shreddez Really? Is that why I have almost 1,000 subs and over 180,000 upload views, because of some alleged "epic fail" and my approach and defense being so "terrible"?? LOL. Give me a serious brake. Your views are simply your uneducated and clearly biased and meaningless opinion with no basis in any facts. Yours is the epic FAIL.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior How are you going to call someone uneducated using "brake" instead of "break" and "your" instead of "you're"? Have you read these parts of the bible: Luke 12:47-48, Ephesians 6:5 or 1 Timothy 6:1-2. And then you are sitting up there with a shirt on that says PROPERTY OF JESUS...nigga you are still a slave..a corny, unattractive slave
kookoo78 10 months ago
@kookoo78 IF I ever used the wrong words as you claim, then it was a mistake, something called a typo. We all do that. I do know the difference between the possessive "your" and the contraction "you're." Thank you very much. Yes, I have read the passages you bring up, and I can read them to you in the original Greek. Now if you want to remain ignorant of Gospel truth, then remain so. If you want to learn something, I can help you. But "nigga" is ignorant, and "corny" is opinion...
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@kookoo78 ....And "unattractive" is definitely ridiculous opinion, and "slave" is sheer stupidity.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
You're forgetting Exodus is about your god's favored people. Your entire argument is based around him not trying to enslave his chosen people. Good job.
dkravendeath 1 year ago
@dkravendeath And you are forgetting that the text does not apply to ONLY the chosen people, as God Himself constantly reminded His "chosen" people (Exodus 20:10; Deut 24:14-18; 23:15,16). Good job of ignoring Scripture.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
CRW, You are so DUMB!!! Read "THE ISIS PAPERS" by Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. You are so dumb. Get your facts right. Study history. Roman history. All history. Outside the bible. The world is way older than 6000 years old. So go figure. You are the worst type of slave. Mental slavery!!! Best to wake up son!!
abbafather2222 1 year ago
@abbafather2222 LOL...Read it years ago, and it is asinine nonsense. It is entirely hypocritical to come at me with "get your facts right" when Welsing didn't, and neither did you. The Bible doesn't say how old the world is, and that "fact" you should have known. I am far from a "slave." I am free by the blood of Christ both in mind and spirit.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
Roadwarrior, you are one dumbass nigga from me another nigga.
BogusJesus 1 year ago
@BogusJesus First of all, referring to me with the "N" word is beyond ignorant. Second, , I am far from "dumb" as I am credibly educated and working on my THIRD degree. So you need to check yourself, because you have already wrecked yourself with asinine comments.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
Exodus has been shown to be 100% inaccurate. There were never Hebrews living Egypt. If you ignore all scholarly sources and assume Exodus is true, it does not help your case as the bible ONLY disapproves of Hebrews as slaves - all others can be slaves. The original greek word used was not slavery or servant (english) - the word used was doulos - which means chattle slaves - without rights - slaves, not servants. It is past time for you to read the real bible, not the english version.
g24417 1 year ago
@g24417 That kind of ignorance-based comment proves just how little truly scholarly sources you have actually read. To say that Exodus has been shown to be "100% inaccurate" is absolute, unqualified, unequivocal nonsense. Go read "Is the Bible True? by Jeffrey Sheler and get some facts first, and maybe we can talk. And since I can actually sight read both the original Hebrew and Greek of the Bible, you might want to check your assumptions at the door of your web browser....
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior "even though I cannot make a convincing case for it based on hard historical data." -Jeffery Sheler "Is the Bible True?". So uh - WTF. First you suggest a book that is 15 years out of date, then you ignore the authors bias, then you ignore his lack of qualifications, then you insist it can do something it can't (support your argument with evidence), then I am suppose to ignore YOUR ignorance because you can read hebrew, and you call that scholarship. I call it a disgrace.
g24417 10 months ago
@g24417 LOL...An alleged quote from Sheler that probably has nothing to do with my point and ignores ALL the evidence presented in the book. Please. What page did that alleged quote come from. I have the book right here. Give me the page number. The book is not out of date because it's old; the facts stand to this date. Arguing author bias is a genetic fallacy (i.e. consider the source), and you ignore the qualifications of those he quoted. The disgrace is yours, not mine.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior
“All of this of course, hardly amounts to proof that the biblical patriarchs ever truly walked the earth or that the dramatic Bible stories about the origins of Israel are good history. But the circumstantial evidence argues strongly for the plausibility. The patriarch narratives fit comfortably in the historic context that modern archaeology has help to reconstruct.”
--Jeffery Sheler
This is another lie or incompetent blunder, following . . .
g24417 10 months ago
@g24417 Sorry, but posting alleged quotes from a book you clearly have not read without posting the page numbers does not convince me. This is especially true when you only make blanket claims against what his research shows, without providing scholarly counterevidence from any credible source.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior
“ . . . it has become increasingly clear that Iron Age Israel - the kingdoms of Judah and Israel - has its origins in Canaan, not Egypt.”
--Israel Finkelstein
g24417 10 months ago
@g24417 LOL...Israel Finkelstein is hardly an unbiased and reliable source.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior
“The archaeological evidence of the largely indigenous origins of Israel is overwhelming, and leaves no room for an Exodus from Egypt or a 40-year pilgrimage through the Sinai wilderness. For this reason, most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as a fruitless pursuit."
--William G.Dever
g24417 10 months ago
@g24417 Since Dever appears to be evangelical, it hardly makes sense that he would make such a foolish remark in light of the evidence I've seen. So this is either a misquote, a false quote, or his ignorance. But since you posted no sources to check, conveniently, it is hard to tell. Anyway, you are blocked for 24 hours for violating my posting rules. If you want to post checkable sources after I remove the ban, you may do so. Otherwise, you have nothing for me.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior
‘Apart from the well-funded (and fundamentalist) “biblical archaeologists,” we are in fact nearly all “minimalists” now.’
—Philip Davies
g24417 10 months ago
@g24417 Quotes from people with anti-fundamentalist biases do not impress me.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior
“The fact is that we are all minimalists -- at least, when it comes to the patriarchal period and the settlement. When I began my PhD studies more than three decades ago in the USA, the 'substantial historicity' of the patriarchs was widely accepted as was the unified conquest of the land. These days it is quite difficult to find anyone who takes this view.”
—Lester L. Grabbe
g24417 10 months ago
@g24417 Special pleading quotes, probably taken out of context, with no bibliographical info for checking is not proof of anything.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@g24417 Quoting without referencing bibliographic information liberal "scholars" against those who are more conservative is not going to work. You haven't read Sheler. You are quote mining from web sources, which explains why you can't provide checkable source information. LOL...This is child's play. If you can't give CHECKABLE source information, don't bother posting again after I release the ban.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@g24417 And I'm still waiting for a credible Greek lexicon that says "doulos" means "chattle slavery...without rights."
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@g24417 ....And another thing...what credible Greek sources told you that "doulos" means "chattle slaves...without rights." Oh really? My Complete Word Study Dictionary by noted and late native Greek scholar, Dr. Spiros Zodhiates, says otherwise. So what you need to do is stop pretending to know Greek and start learning some credible facts in the language and the usage of "doulos." It does NOT mean "chattle slavery" and it has broad range, including servants.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
Its ironic to see the victims of christian slave owners adopt the religious believes of their captors.
1TryThinking 1 year ago
@1TryThinking That statement is beyond ignorant. First of all, the Bible is an Eastern product, not western. Second, Christianity was in Africa, more specifically Ethiopia, long before the "captors" came (Acts 8:26-39). So please go do some basic research on a topic before making false claims.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
Slavery is still slavery no matter how benevolent it may be.
saxman78102 1 year ago
@saxman78102 Ok, so a job, which is a form of slavery and servitude, is still slavery and thus immoral also based on that argumentation. As an employee, your rights are restricted. You can't do or say what you want as you may want on a job. Yet that form of slavery is deemed ok. So no, slavery is not still slavery no matter how "benevolent" it may be. There are valid forms of it, but we have learned to abhor the word and have associated immorality to it no matter what. That is a fallacy.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
9:04 "I'm not even going to go any further"
oh really? but I am!
Exodus21:20-21"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property."
slavery is not a slavery? LOL
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 LOL...So what? My point still stands, and if you read even further, you might have learned that unlike other cultures, ancient Israel had rules that allowed slaves to be FREED based on mistreatment, such as Ex. 21:26,27, where a slave could be freed for having his tooth knocked out or having an eye mutilated. Go do some homework and then LOL.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior
Wait so you don't believe in evolution and dinosaurs?
mjduke27 1 year ago
@mjduke27 Evolution, as Dr. Mike Denton (MD and microbiologist) has put it, "is still, as it was in Darwin's time, a highly speculative hypothesis entirely without direct factual support and very far from the self-evident axiom some of its more aggressive advocates would have us believe" (Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, p. 77). So no, I don't accept evolution as absolute fact. Dinos were real, but so what? They don't disprove God.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
my god you are STUPID!
tdl0221 1 year ago
@tdl0221 Ah yes, nothing like the ad hominem attack....lol.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
You are either joking or lying to yourself because the bible is ok with slavery.
R0YB0T 1 year ago
@R0YB0T "Let my people go" and Ex. 21:26,27 and Deut. 23:15,16 does not sound like "ok" with slavery to me. But hey, if you want to ignore some passages and focus on what you don't understand, that's fine. But ignoring facts will not get rid of them.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
it 's a same to see a brother ,go along with this shit
laapache1 1 year ago
@laapache1 It's an even greater shame to see people so ignorant about this topic, and even worse, not willing to study and learn.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
um..bible does Support slavery show me a verse saying slavery is bad. you will find no such thing.
also I'm a Christian,but not so much anymore.
also ever ask your self... how come majority of the Founding Fathers who created the Untied States were NOT Christian and it took a Atheist to END Slavery.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 No, the Bible does not support the kind of slavery you are thinking of. Ex. 5:1 and other passages make that clear. And I don't know where you're getting your misinformation, but the majority of the the Founders were either Christian or deist, but deists got their beliefs from the Judeo-Christian Bible which does not support deism. And it was the CHRISTIAN William Wilbeforce who was at the forefront of ending slavery along with other churchmen.
CRoadwarrior 1 year ago
@CRoadwarrior Abraham Lincoln ended Slavery, even though the war had little to do with it. and he was not a Christian.
Thomas Jefferson,Thomas Pain,Benjermen Franklin, Joel Barlow,Washington did not Believe in the bible, he did Believe in a high power though. there are several other top Founding Fathers who were not Christian.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 What sources are giving you this false info on the Founders? Lincoln not a Christian? Washington not a Christian? You must be joking or ignorant. Sure, some were deistic in belief, but even deists got their deism from the BIBLE (they distorted), which is not deistic but Judeo-Christian.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior well Lincoln was a Christian, sorry was late when I typed that in but the others where not, Washington was a Deist he believed. in a god, but not in Jesus or the Bible.
,Benjermen Franklin, wrote down that he finds a lighthouse far more useful then a Church, Thomas Jefferson wrote his own Version of the bible and took out anything that might of made Jesus look like some sort of god/magical person.
Dogmeat1950 10 months ago
@Dogmeat1950 Washington was NOT a deist. Do some research on his personal prayers. NO deist would have prayed like he did because they do not believe their god intervenes. Sorry, you are grossly misinformed. Jefferson was a deist and a bad one, that I admit. Franklin was on the heretical side, but I would not call him a deist. I suggest you read "Faith of Our Founding Fathers" by Tim LaHaye. It will open your eyes.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior From what I've seen bud most of the founding fathers were Deists, with very few Christians(and even fewer atheists).
I disagree with you about the issue of slavery here. The bible clearly tells us who can be bought and sold, how much to pay for slaves, and how to trick them into serving you forever. It may not have been the slavery that was seen in the 17-19 centuries, but I don't see much evidence that it wasn't.
Cheers!
jesuriah 1 year ago
@jesuriah Sorry, but what you've "seen" is misinformation. Most of them were not deists. And deists got their theological ideas from the Judeo-Christian Bible, which does NOT truly teach deism. You can disagree with my view on slavery, but on what basis? My view is based on credible sources and historical facts that I document in the series. You simply do not understand the passages you read, and you ignore the freedom clauses all throughout.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago
@CRoadwarrior You are incredibly stupid. I honestly do not understand how someone can read the bible and NOT get the fact that it clearly supports slavery. Wilberforce, like about 95% of everyone in Britain, was a christian. Just because he was a christian, and other christians decided that slavery is wrong, does not change what your bible actually says you ignorant buffoon.
airman122469 10 months ago
@airman122469 Really now? I'm am what? So, I've learned Bible Hebrew and Greek and can read the original of what you can only read in English translation, but I'm what? ROFL. Go and do some research on WHY ministers and others wrote BACK THEN that slavery was not supported by the Bible: Rev. Theodore D. Weld, The Bible Against Slavery (1837). After you've done some credible research, learn who the true "ignorant buffoon" is. LOOL...gotta be kidding me.
CRoadwarrior 10 months ago