Arnold Schoenberg: Orchesterstuecke op. 16 1 of 2

[sleepybill84]

Hello everyone!I'm a sound engineer and I have to study Arnold Schoenberg's 5 Orchesterstucke op.16. Can anyone help me with the description and interpretation of this piece?

[kapariz44]

Never get tired of listening to this fascination work.

[mcmike100]

The second piece has always been my favorite.

[autrefois]

One of the few SB pieces I really enjoy, I don't like the idea of music that is accessable only to an academic circle, but I think this can be appreciated by those without a knowledge/understanding of SB's serialist/atonal work.

[MarcheseCadmio88]

Not yet dodecaphonic.

Personally, I prefer Schoenberg's atonal composition, like this or Pierrot Lunaire.

[doctorwhoperson]

I love Schoenberg so much, he was incredible.

Paired with the Vienna Philharmonic and Daniel Barenboim conducting, it's like God.

[C0NTR4B455]

Maestro Gielen......For those interested to know.

[tomestubbs]

This is indeed my favorite Schoenberg piece. He expanded the palette of orchestral color (timbre) in this atonal work from the German Expressionist era. This amazing piece is a theme and variations, listen carefully and you can hear all of the themes being permutated and introduced in unusual contexts. He wrote this without the aid of a piano

[caumusic]

It is awesome. The use of the instruments in the composition is really amazing. Also Schoenberg knows perfecly the rules of classical composition as the world knew them before he came to this world. His theory books are excelent really objective.

[JylesM]

Hahahahaha! Funny! :P

[beethomozart]

premiered in 1912, this page is a typical example of what atonal music is about, being he the father of this curious kind of music, not of my taste but one has to listen to every possible music course to increase his knowledge of the wonderful world of sounds, even though the orchestration is phenomenal, it wasn't until 1922 with his op.23 when Schoenberg change from atonality to the dodecafonic style

[kapariz44]

This is atonal music, highly chromatic, but still following the basics after a fashion. Harmonies are sometimes rich, sometimes astringent, sometimes jarring, but harmonies nevertheless. The 12-tone stuff came later.

But my goodness, what a stunning performance this is! I really like the evocative depiction of colours by a lake - very moving in its own way. This really is music with atitude.

[LJBSasha]

Isn't serialism 'ipso facto' atonal?

The idea Schönberg had in mind was, if I've understood the late Leonard Bernstein correctly, a method to organize all 12 tones/notes of the chromatic scale together as a means to replace the tonal structure he no longer could readily work with - and intended as a 'money-back' guarantee, when used properly, that the music produced would be atonal.

Up to then, his music was freely atonal (but without the organization of serialism) post-1908...

[DannyDaWriter]

@LJBSasha Serialism doesn't necessarily need to be applied to generate a soundworld that incorporates all twelve notes in its harmonic language; in fact, serialism doesn't necessarily need to be applied to the pitch realm. Good portions of Messiaen's music serialize rhythm (and as well as pitch in some instances, like the Modes of Values and Intensities from the Four Rhythmic Etudes), and Stockhausen's Stimmung apparently employs serial organization without it touching a single tone at all.

[DannyDaWriter]

@DannyDaWriter (cont'd) Serial music can be by default "atonal" because it will lack the gravitational pull toward a central tone that defines tonal music. But that doesn't limit a composer from exploiting the system to incorporate tonal and/or modal suggestions. A name that may immediately come into mind is Berg, but even some of Schoenberg's later music deliberately incorporate tonal references in tone rows. The American serialists of the 50s onward were also fairly keen on making use of tonal

[DannyDaWriter]

@DannyDaWriter (cont'd) references in their music. The idea that serialism was a method of creating "completely atonal" music holds its origins in the Darmstadt school of the 50s, who began employing serial operations (inspired by the aforementioned Modes of Values and Intensities) and applying it to many factors of a musical composition — pitch, rhythm, timbre, what have you — in an effort to disconnect themselves with the perceived flack of romanticism that was hijacked by European nationalism

[DannyDaWriter]

@DannyDaWriter (cont'd) and used for the purposes of political propaganda. This idea — integral serialism — was more or less abandoned by the sixties, but serial thinking still continued to permeate in the compositions of those who were in Darmstadt at the time (Boulez, Stockhausen, Berio,etc.). In any case, the concept that serial music must strictly create an "atonal" result (i.e. free of any sort of tonal reference) is as the result of politics of the era and is somewhat misguided.

[TheBlackPage1]

Listen to that orchestration.. my god, Schoenberg was a genius

[callmeBe]

@TheBlackPage1 If you look at his scores (just like Berg)--especially early on, you see heavy Mahler influences; especially in his woodwind doublings. Later in his career his orchestration became even thinner and more centered upon voicings with a solo instrument or at least instruments of the same kind (ie: less ob/fl/cl unison in favor of just cl, etc). This style became the hallmark of many of our next generation of American composers: Roger Sessions, Andrew Imbrie, etc.

[oresstes1]

será serialismo, pero suena bastante clásico, la musica contemporanea no la soporto pero muchas cosas de schoenberg se hacen mas faciles de digerir

[hexatonico]

No es serialismo. Schoenberg comienza a trabajar con esa técnica recién a partir del op 25. Aca utiliza vectores interválicos (lo que se dio en llamar "atonalismo libre")

[undergroundcry44]

This is an aboslutely wonderful piece of music. Such darkness and mystery are portrayed, and so perfectly! Bravo!

[Molurus1970]

Can anybody tell me of other Schoenberg music in this style, pleeeeeease? It's amazing!

The closest I've found is the Variationen Op.31 but it's not quite the same.

[ascvideo]

Erwartung op. 17, composed in the same year (1909)

[Molurus1970]

Thanks!

[soulima]

This is not serial, or dodecaphonic. This is atonal orchestral music. This falls stylistically into his Expressionistic period.

[jockboy69]

@ascvideo One of his great pieces.  I've heard it live twice: Jessye Norman at the Met (with Bluebird's Castle with Sam Ramey) and Anlia Silya at her husband's debut as Mus. Dir. of The Cleveland Orchestra. She also sang Op. 6.

[purplefatcow]

Actually, this isn't serialism yet; he didn't think of that until the 20s. There are a few other pieces of his from 1909, too--the Book of the Hanging Gardens was finished in this year, and he also wrote the three pieces for piano (op. 11).

[russell444]

@Molurus1970 Second string quartet is really worth a listen (1908). Last movement especially.

[11293maria]

@Molurus1970 Expressionism :)

[bsalas89]

Schoenberg's music,although he used a atonal system for compose it, it's full of enviromental expresion.

I actually think that his strings quartets are charged with this kind of expresion, especially the last two.

[keeskogel3291]

Very good performance - musically very satisfying and also with excellent clarity, something which very often lacks when this work is performed.

[TheZanyFilmCompany]

Stunning! Superb! Brilliant!

Thanks for posting the great man's work.

[otterhouse]

Exiting performance! Who are orchestra and conductor?

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[ascvideo]

Netherlands Radio Philharmonic

Michael Gielen

[otterhouse]

Thanks, I thought I recognized the "Berlage" hall...

Rolf

[Erudecorp]

People often talk about artists and inventors being ahead of their time. Schoenberg was at least a century (maybe two) ahead.

[revoltz7]

This music, while miles ahead of it's time, will not be the music of the future. It has and will continue to inspire composers such as Holst, who combined romanticism with new exotic orchestral timbres.

Rather than being the music of the future, it is has lit the fuse of a marriage of modernism and romanticism/neo-classicalism!

[OrgManeuvDark]

apotheosis of chromatic progression, dissonance and bizarre chords, vive la resistance to harmony and resolution--err only in radical early twentieth century art music, not in global politics!!

[musicintheabstract]

This is great to finally see this exquisite music performed. Equally great to know that it can be shared for many, many people to freely see.

[carflopa]

I like this music is misterious and make me feel inside a different mood. mejor en español, esta música me transporta a diferentes sensaciones, las ondas que emite generan tensión, por la virtuosidad de los instrumentos!

[dmdickerson]

Arnold Schoenberg's 'Orchesterstuecke', Opus 1, is a work that captures the essence of the composer. This musical performance is excellent and a visual work of art.